1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings, 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey, 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: Ray drops on today's episode of Reality with the King. 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: First of all, Happy New Year. 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: I've missed you guys so much, and I hope you 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: all had a wonderful, safe, and prosperous holidays because I 12 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: know that I did. 13 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, honey, Okay, back to business. 14 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: So on today's episode of Reality with the King, I'm 15 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: coming at you guys with an exclusive. I'm chatting with 16 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: Election Billino formerly Okay Breaking News, formerly of the Real 17 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: Housewives of Orange County as she and I had a 18 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: conversation on her podcast. 19 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: Called Going Rogue. 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: So Going Rogue is Alexi Milino's new podcast that you 21 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: can find wherever you get your podcasts. She and I 22 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: are having a conversation about her decision to first of all, 23 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: join the Real Housewives of Orange County and how she 24 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: felt when she received the phone call as to why 25 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: she was not asked back. Yeah, so we talk about 26 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: that and we get to lots of things. So without 27 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: further ado, here is my conversation with Alexis Billino. 28 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: Hey, guys, Alexis Billino here. I am here on a 29 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: very fun day just to clear the air and get 30 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: some new gossip out there, some things that none of 31 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: you have heard before. And I'm here with my friend 32 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 3: Carlos King, who you know. I think he's going to 33 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: have some good insight for me. 34 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: Carlos, alexis so good to see your Daphace. 35 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 3: Hey, honey, how are you. 36 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: I've got how's it going. I'm so excited for you. 37 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: Congratulations or join the pod world? 38 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 3: Uh, thank you, thank you. This is the This is 39 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: definitely dipping my feet in very fast, but with one 40 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: of the best. So thank you for joining me today. 41 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: No, thanks for having me. 42 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: Okay, first of all, the Kathy Hilton party, Let's just 43 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 3: get that out of the way, because is that not 44 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 3: the most amazing experience. 45 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: Honey, It was so much fun and it was nice 46 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: just to be a. 47 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 2: Mocks your peers. 48 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean, like people within your 49 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: industry who kind of just has so much respect for 50 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: the art of this John and Robbie Carr reality television, 51 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: because it's a tough gig to have, so to be 52 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: a mocks the reality elite, to be celebrated, to have 53 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: Kathy Hilton be the grand hostess that she is, and 54 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: to see you and John, I had a really really 55 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: good time. 56 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 3: You well, you were the best dressed. I'm not saying 57 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: that just because I'm trying to like by bar like 58 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: even over John, I'm sorry, babe, but you yeah, you were. 59 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 3: And I'm like, Okay, I wonder was that was that 60 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: coat last season or this season or what it? What 61 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: was it? 62 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: It was Louis Vuitton, right, it was a little biton 63 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: coat that was. 64 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: I couldn't take my off of it, and it was listen. 65 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: I I went to London for a day in September 66 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: and when I walked in, you know how, like sometimes Alexi, 67 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: you walked to a store and you know how, like 68 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: the associate are like, is there anything you're looking for, 69 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: and You're like, I'm actually browsing, you know, And I 70 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: actually was browsing. 71 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: Girl. I saw that. 72 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 3: Call and you're like the heavens opened. 73 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: Oh girl, and I said, I have to have it. 74 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: I tried it on and I'm like, let me just 75 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: buy it. So I bought it in September, and I 76 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: kept saying to myself, you gotta find the perfect occasion 77 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: to wear it, Honey, Kathy Helton's party, Honey's the perfect occasion. 78 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 3: I start shopping for her a gown for her dresser 79 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: or a dress for her event, like in August or September, 80 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: like I'm I'm always looking because it is the party 81 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 3: of the year. 82 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: Yes. 83 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: And then the other thing was you like your energy 84 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: when you come around is just so infectious. Do you 85 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 3: see people flocking to you? Like, did you notice that 86 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 3: at all? 87 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: You know I did, And I'll say this, it's such 88 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: a compliment to hear that, So thank you, Alexis. 89 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 2: I am a people person. 90 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: I really do love people, and I am of the people. 91 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: So whether you're a celebrity or not, I give the 92 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: same energy to anybody that I either meet for the 93 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: first time or I'm a fan of and listen, I 94 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: tell people all the time, I'm a fan and a 95 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: student of reality TV. So it's nice to meet someone 96 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: like you. It was nice to meet. I mean I 97 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: did meet Emily and Gina. 98 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 3: That's okay. Hey, you know we're all we're all work associates. 99 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 3: We're all in the same business. 100 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: And why I have been you guys are best friends. 101 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: Shut the front door. 102 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 3: We are not best friends. I never said that. Don't 103 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: don't put words in my mouth, Carlos to. 104 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: You the concept, Oh what do you mean? 105 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh got you? Okay, No, but when you 106 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 3: went to piggyback on what you were just saying, I 107 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 3: feel like being in that environment, like John and I 108 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 3: have been so judged this season and so, you know, 109 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 3: just the vitrial hate that we've had, it was so 110 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 3: nice to have so many people come up and be like, 111 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: we understand l we get it. We know this as TV, 112 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: we know that this was So I did leave that 113 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: party feeling like America can hate us, but at least 114 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 3: the people that were there that work in this industry 115 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 3: get it and are like, Okay, you had to take 116 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 3: one for the team. It was a bad season whatever, 117 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 3: So that let me. 118 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 2: Stop you there, Let me stop you there. America doesn't 119 00:05:58,880 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: hate you. 120 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: And this is what I want to tell you, as 121 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: somebody who has been doing Housewives since two thousand and 122 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: eight starting Atlanta Housewives. 123 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: And this is the way before social media was a thing. 124 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: Social media represents two percent of America right of the world, 125 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: not just Americans, the world at large, just because there's 126 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: people on social media who are in competition to leave 127 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: the best comment, and by the best, I mean the 128 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: worst comment. 129 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, because they have to one up each other. 130 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: And I never want you, Alexis, or any of the 131 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: girls or guys on reality television to assume for a 132 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: millisecond that these comments represent the world at large. I 133 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: tell people all the time, when you go out into 134 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: the real world and you interact with people, nine times 135 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: out of ten, you're not going to run to people 136 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: who have that same you know, hate that they do 137 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: online because it is not so. 138 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 3: We haven't had one were you. We haven't had one 139 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 3: person out out in the world wherever we're traveling or 140 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 3: wherever we are, we have you know, everyone always comes 141 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: up and says, I love you, you were my favorite this 142 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: season everyone. I think that that just comes out of 143 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 3: people's mouth because they don't know what to say to 144 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 3: you when they see you feel like they mean but 145 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: they don't know, they don't know they don't. I know 146 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: they don't. And I'm okay, look, I am not here 147 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: to get my ego coached. Okay, I know I am good, 148 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: but but it is it is just a weird. It 149 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 3: just felt really good to be at that party. It 150 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 3: really did, and to have people say we get it, 151 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 3: we understand because they all are in the industry. They are, 152 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: and Kathy does. Last year she brought in snow like 153 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: this woman does not put like real snow. Okay, Ice 154 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 3: was all over it was. It was the real deal. 155 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: So anyway, that was amazing. But I do want to 156 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 3: ask you, and I want you to be completely honest, Carlos, 157 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: and if you hurt my feelings, it's okay. At the 158 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: end of the day, I know that you, I know 159 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: who you are, and I appreciate your truth behind this, Okay. 160 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: So I want to ask you, what do you think 161 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: I could have done this season that would have possibly 162 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: allowed the viewers to like actually connect from my story? 163 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: What did I do that made them disconnect so much 164 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: from me? 165 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: You came across too hard in your defense of John. 166 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: I would if I were you the first episode when 167 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: you came in looking gorge and you told Shannon, there's 168 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: a door, shannaa door, and you defended John. That would 169 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: have been the end of it. And what I would 170 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: have done is said Shannon as a woman. I need 171 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: you to know that you and I don't have an 172 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: issue because I did nothing to you. I Alexis Belino, 173 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: did not do anything directly to you, Shannon ba Door. 174 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: I didn't date you, hon to sleep with you. 175 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 3: I don't know you. 176 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know each other like that, Like, I 177 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: don't know you. So I understand that the guy I'm 178 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: in love with and I'm seeing that you two have 179 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: an issue. 180 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: So guess what. 181 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you two fight that battle because the 182 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: battle is not mine, it is yours, right, And I 183 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: would have left it there, And then I would have 184 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: I would have definitely used more of my cameras time 185 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: to get to know the girls, because I will say this, 186 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: I if I was her producer or friend, I would 187 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: have said, how amazing would it be that you and 188 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: Shannon kind of become friends? Like, like, what what a 189 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: great surprise would that have been if you use that. 190 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: Opportunity to get to know her? 191 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna tell you something I did Atlanta Housewife 192 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: Season four, right Marlo Hampton came on the show. Ninnie 193 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: Leaks obviously was like the face of that particular franchise. 194 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: Long story short, it was alleged and Marlow Hampton had 195 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: a boyfriend that allegedly Nini Leaks was like seeing at 196 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: the time while she and Greb were going through divorce. 197 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: So everybody thought like, oh my gosh, marlow and Nini 198 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: about to be the odds. And the best thing Ninny 199 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: Leaks did she befriended Marlowe and then shocked the cast, 200 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,599 Speaker 1: and it's the reason why Marlon Hampton became a housewife. 201 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: So I would have definitely did the I would have 202 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: done the most shocking thing, which was like, hey, maybe 203 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: me and Shannon could be friends after all, and. 204 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 3: I appreciate that, and in the perfect world that might 205 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: have been able to happen. Let me give you a 206 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 3: little background and then tell me how, because this is great, 207 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: This is great advice, and obviously Hideesight's twenty twenty. When 208 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 3: you look back, you're like, Okay, could have, should have 209 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 3: would However, I was in a knowing situation. I feel 210 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: even hearing you say what you just said, because I 211 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: do not have you know, I don't wish ill on anybody, 212 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: even my worst enemy, anyone, I don't wish any ill 213 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 3: on them. I was going in optimistic that we could 214 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 3: be amicable and do our job, which is work together 215 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,599 Speaker 3: in a group of women. She was never going to 216 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 3: have any part of that, by the way, I think 217 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: she went in the season saying, I will never talk 218 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 3: to her. I don't care. I don't want to film 219 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: with her. She felt with the least amount she possibly could, 220 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 3: I asked for constant sit downs with her. Never would happen, 221 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 3: just to smooth it over, because I could see I 222 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: could see the wear and tear on the women's faces 223 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 3: for trying to be friends with me and friends with her, 224 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: and knowing that they didn't really dislike either of us. 225 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 3: They just didn't know they were put in a really 226 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 3: bad position too. So in my mind, I'm like, let's 227 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: try to just be amicable, do our job, and get 228 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 3: through the day, and at the end of it it 229 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 3: is John in your battle. However, the first meeting I 230 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 3: had with her where she asked to speak to me, 231 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: I said, okay, that was when I've said there's the door, 232 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 3: Shandon ba door. Three things came up that she had 233 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 3: like they cut it down to the one. There were 234 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 3: three other things, and so I sat there for twenty 235 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 3: five minutes just listening, listening, listening, and I'm like, Okay, 236 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, let's get to the elephant out of 237 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 3: the room. Let's just squash it now. And so, yeah, 238 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 3: that was hard. It was hard. I was also nervous. 239 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 3: I was also getting eaten up by her at the moment, 240 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 3: and I was also just tired of it. I'm like, 241 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 3: this isn't the real problem. So in hindsight, you are 242 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: absolutely right. I should have probably just said, Okay, I 243 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 3: know you're hurting. I am not. This is not easy 244 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: on me either, you know, like it was not easy 245 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 3: for me to do any of the filming that I 246 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 3: did this season. Carlos. The other part to that, So 247 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 3: that's one part. The other part to that is I 248 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 3: would go into the scenes, and you, being a producer, 249 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: can appreciate this. I would go in thinking, not going 250 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 3: to mention his name. I have so much more to 251 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 3: talk about. I would connect with the other women. I 252 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 3: would find out about their children, I would find out 253 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 3: about what was going on. We would talk about real 254 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 3: life things happening, and then lo and behold one of 255 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 3: the women would have to bring up his name, and 256 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 3: there were so many misconceptions about him the entire season, 257 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: and so many lives that were said, what would you 258 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 3: do if that was your the person you love? And 259 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 3: what I've learned one of my downfalls is when I love, 260 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: I love hard and I am loyal to a fault. 261 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 3: And this defending John came to my own detriment. I 262 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 3: get that I lost in the public, the world of 263 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 3: public opinion. I get that the court of public opinion, 264 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: but I also wanted to live authentically and also wanted 265 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 3: to really film an authentic show. And so if people 266 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 3: are constantly talking about him other castmates when I'm supposed 267 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 3: to not be talking about him and I'm really trying 268 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 3: not to, then how do you handle that moving forward? 269 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: Just for any other reality person or anything like, how 270 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: do you move past that? 271 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: They can only use what you give? Right? 272 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: So I always remember that they can only use what 273 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: you give. If Emily or Gina or have our camera 274 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: brought up John, I would say to them once again, 275 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: he is not I hear to defend himself now. And 276 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: the more you repeat that, the more they're going to say, well, 277 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: this shit is unusable. 278 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 2: And we have to move on. 279 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: And that's how you take your power back, right, That's 280 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: what I did wrong. 281 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: That's what I did wrong, because I would do that 282 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 3: once and then it would keep going, and then I 283 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 3: would give in and then I say, okay, now I'm mad, 284 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 3: and now y'all are really taking me off, and so 285 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: then it would happen, and that's you're absolutely right, that's 286 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 3: where I okay, yeah. 287 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's the reason why I mean, look, 288 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: la la la la la la la la. 289 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: Look, it's the reason why you have someone I'm gonna 290 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: be very honest with you. Shannon played the game very 291 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: well this season, very well this season because obviously I 292 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: think everybody went in thinking like, oh my gosh, I 293 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: had a dui and let's focus on that and let's 294 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: see what's going on. And we're seeing the same situation 295 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: happen on Pertoma with Karen Huger, another person who got 296 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: a dui. What's been interesting about Shannon and Karen situation 297 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: is rightfully, so, the cast members have questions, but I 298 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: think when you go so hard, I'm not saying you 299 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: did this to do you why, by the way, I'm saying, 300 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: when this is more of a tamor thing that I. 301 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: Told her about. 302 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: Right when you're so harsh to somebody dealing with that, 303 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: at some point, it's like, guys, get them a break. 304 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: And I think Shannon did a good job this season 305 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: making sure that she showed and I'm not saying it 306 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: was real or not. I don't know Shannon, but Shannon 307 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: did a great job in the season showing her runerability 308 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: and emotion and and to the point where I even 309 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: told Tamar, and I said this on my own podcast, 310 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: I felt bad for Shannon. I felt Tamara was so 311 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: hard on on on Shannon that I gave Tamar grace 312 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: by saying this, alexis, Tamar has seen things that we haven't. 313 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: They were actually best friends, They went on tour together, 314 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: they hung out together. Unfortunately, us, the audience, we can 315 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: only judge what we see, and when it came to 316 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: Shannon and Tamara, that's why a lot of us was 317 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: on Shannon's side when it came to you and Shannon, Shannon, 318 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give her her credit. She did a great 319 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: job at making sure to showcase the run ability of 320 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: this alleged loan and things like that. We listen, you 321 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: could be a Shannon fan or not, we all believe 322 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: John in terms of the the details of it. I 323 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: believe John's details for sure. Right the part that came in, 324 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: it felt like it was two against one, and and 325 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: that's why the audience decided to sway. 326 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: More in Shannon's side. 327 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 3: Got it? 328 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow, yeah, child, we are just getting started. This 329 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's 330 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: get back into the show. 331 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 3: And I mean when I sit back and try I 332 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 3: played this through in my mind hundreds of times, and 333 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 3: I still come back to the fact that like I 334 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: just don't know. I mean, I just can't. I can't 335 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: put a foot in my I mean like I can't, 336 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: I can't put a muzzle on myself. If I get 337 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 3: to the point where I'm just like okay, enough to enough. 338 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: And that's something I truly need to work on, Like 339 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 3: I need to learn to just go. And I wish 340 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 3: now I would have done that. I never even thought 341 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: about just sitting back and going that's between you and John. 342 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 3: I'm just sitting there going his name. He's getting brought up. 343 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 3: He's not here just to say anything. I'm his only voice. 344 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: I'm the only thing he had where if I had 345 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 3: sat back, maybe it would have it would have all 346 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: just panned out completely differently. But like I said, that's 347 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: neither here nor there. We can't go back. So the 348 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: other thing I wanted to ask you is what do 349 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: you think, like, what's your true feeling about the final 350 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 3: scene that came then after? 351 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: So I thought I was very confusing and I did 352 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: not understand it. So listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, Linda, 353 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: this season of the Housewives Bors County season eighteen was 354 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: the best season in Orange County history. 355 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: I loved it. 356 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: I never thought the Brooks alleged cancer situation would be 357 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: topped because that was such dramatic, great television. I never 358 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: thought the season where Gretchen had her first season, I 359 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: want to say the season three or four whatever, that 360 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: was a great first season. And for Gretchen and for 361 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: Tamor to emerge as like a badass, this season topped 362 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: both to me because it was a great display a balance, 363 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: you know. 364 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: I thought every girl clocked in. 365 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: I thought Emily and Gina had their best seasons ever, 366 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: and I thought Heather de brou had a great season. 367 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: I thought everybody. 368 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: Clocked in right when it came to the reunion and 369 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to the ending scene. When it came 370 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: to the reunion, I said this on my podcast. I 371 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: thought Emily was was fighting for her life. I felt 372 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: like she was auditioning for Tomato. And taler Banks said 373 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: I have two cars left in my hands, and one 374 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: of you girls would be America Next Time Model, and 375 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: Emily said, well, bitch, I would be America Next Time lawyer. 376 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: And I felt that she was so hard on you 377 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: and was just so like unlikable to me, and I like, 378 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: I like Emily, but I detested her performance on on 379 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: the reunion. So then I was like, okay, fine, great reunion, 380 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: all three parts. I'm here for it. Then it was 381 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: the final scene and I'm like, well, what the F 382 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: is this? Like, what'll be watching here? And then as 383 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: I was watching and I'm like why is this important? 384 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: And then I'm watching it something Yeah, I was like, 385 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: it's done. 386 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: I don't need this. 387 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: And then it hit me and I said to myself, Okay, okay, 388 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: I think the choice was definitely two things were happening 389 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: in that scene. 390 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: To me. 391 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: Number one, I felt like I felt that it was 392 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: an opportunity to show that we're off friends. We all 393 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: love each other, Shannon and Tammer have made up, Heather 394 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: looks great, and we're all best friends. So come join 395 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: us next season where you get to see that this 396 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: show is a show about friends. 397 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: Right. 398 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: It was like very Jennifer Anison, Courtney Cox, and Lisa Kudro, do. 399 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 400 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: It was very much like we're friends. Must see TV 401 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: Thursday nights at eight o'clock. 402 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 3: Right. 403 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: Yes, that was the first thing to me. 404 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: The second thing that I noticed, too, I was like, huh, 405 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: this was to me a loud message that a lessis 406 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: and John thank you for your services, like bye, like bye, 407 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: get out of here. 408 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: We're done. 409 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: We're closing the chapter on this storyline. So those were 410 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: the two things I walked away from that scene. 411 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was obviously completely gobsmacked and completely let down. 412 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 3: I felt the same thing. I was like, Okay, you're used, 413 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 3: used and thrown away. This is now we're done with you. 414 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: We got the ratings, now we're done. Those were my 415 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 3: initial two thoughts. And then my third thought was, holy shit, 416 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 3: Tamara and Heather just did this to me. And I 417 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 3: spoke to them right before and you know, after the reunion. 418 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 3: We talked and we you know, so it took me 419 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 3: like a week before I could even talk to either 420 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 3: of them. They both texted obviously they felt bad about 421 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 3: that scene or just wanted to check in and whatever. 422 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 3: Took me about a week. I just said, I can't 423 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 3: talk right now. I'm too upset. I can't go. I've 424 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 3: got to let this all just marinate and I'll talk 425 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 3: to you because we do have a true friendship. And 426 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 3: that's the thing is, I didn't want it to you know, 427 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: and I had just the funny thing is, Carlos, this 428 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 3: is firsthand information. Tamara had just come to my house 429 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 3: the Tuesday before that Thursday. So it airs on that Thursday, right, 430 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 3: She had just been at my house for two hours. 431 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 3: We were literally I was I had my hair getting 432 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: all done, I had boils everywhere. We were eating crackers 433 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 3: and just hanging out for two hours. And I looked 434 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 3: her in the eye at that moment. It was almost 435 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 3: like God told me something was happening, because I asked 436 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: her to come over and I said, I need to 437 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 3: you eye to eye and we can go to lunch 438 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 3: or whatever, but I want to see you face to face. 439 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 3: Had her come over she spent two hours here, great time. 440 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 3: You know. I just looked at her at one point 441 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 3: and I said, I need to know something. Are we 442 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 3: real friends or are we TV friends? Like what is 443 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 3: what is the what do you classify our relationship as? 444 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 3: And she looked at me and was like, are you 445 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 3: fucking serious right now? Like are you really asking me 446 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 3: this right now? And I'm like yeah, and we've talked 447 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 3: it over. I felt so confident in our friendship. And 448 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 3: then that scene aired, so two forty eight hours before 449 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 3: she could have sat me in the eyes and said, 450 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 3: Alexis there is something that's going to come out that 451 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 3: you're not going to you know. And she was born 452 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 3: into secrecy by the you know, the crew and everything. 453 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 3: I get all that we're here to do a show. 454 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 3: I get it. However, you can drop a little crumb 455 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 3: and say you're not going to like the final scene, 456 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 3: just giving you a little you know, wait, like something nothing. Okay. 457 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 3: So you know her and I have had tamor and 458 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 3: Heather and I are working through it. By the way, 459 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 3: we're not I'm not the person that's just going to 460 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 3: write that off and be like, Okay, you're never speaking 461 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 3: to you again, Like I do have deep connection with 462 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 3: Heather for obviously some of the things we go through 463 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 3: with the LGBTQ world and just like our life journey 464 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 3: that we've had, plus what we went through a decade 465 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 3: ago and we worked past that. Right. 466 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: But did you call Tamra after seeing that scene? 467 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't remember who reached out first, but yeah, 468 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 3: either either she texted me or called me or I 469 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: called her first. I don't know which would happen first. 470 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 3: And the same thing with Heather. All I know is 471 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 3: that I've had a couple hour conversations with Tamra trying 472 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 3: to work through it and just hammer it out. And 473 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 3: then I had one one hour conversation with Heather and 474 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 3: we had to get off the phone. She had to 475 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 3: run into another podcast, and so she's like, you know, 476 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 3: we need to shelve this obviously if it's not done yet, 477 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 3: because I I gave it to her because she's actually 478 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 3: the one that delivered the information to Shannon and here's 479 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 3: the here's the kick me the most I know, and 480 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 3: I'm going to be real with you, So you had 481 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 3: to take all this information back to your rain drops? Okay. 482 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 3: So I literally was so like, hold on because when 483 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 3: John gave that information about actually hearing the crash. Heather 484 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 3: and Tamra both looked at us, so they were like. 485 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 3: Heather's defense was, oh, we were sitting around, you know, 486 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 3: it was a group of people. I said, no, Heather, 487 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 3: it was me and you and Tamra, my two of 488 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 3: my closest friends, with Joe dala Rosa, who's a friend 489 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 3: of mine for a decade, and your two husbands. That's it. 490 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 3: That's not a big group. That's a very small group. 491 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,239 Speaker 3: We were in a confined room. John felt the you know, 492 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 3: like he's always questioned about it. Did you hear the wreck? 493 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 3: Did you not? He's always just said he's always been 494 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 3: honest about it. They both looked at him and said, 495 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 3: don't ever owe up to that. Don't ever tell any 496 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 3: of that. And John's like, I'm going to tell the truth. 497 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 3: I'm going to tell my side of the story. There's 498 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 3: no reason to not tell the truth. The truth can't 499 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 3: hurt you. The truth is, my daughter almost got hit. 500 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 3: I did hear the crash. We went running, My daughter 501 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 3: stopped me, pulled me back. They got in their car, 502 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 3: they went she was already gone. So there's nothing wrong 503 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 3: with that truth. They did check this scene out after 504 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: they heard it? Was it too late? Yeah? Did chan 505 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,719 Speaker 3: and drive off? Yeah? So that's the truth of it. 506 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 3: And so you know, it just hurts because nobody should 507 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 3: have given that information to anyone else except John. That 508 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 3: should have been you know, they got mad at me 509 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 3: all season for being John's voice. Well, what the fuck 510 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 3: did you just do? You were just John's voice, like 511 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 3: just you don't need to speak for him. And and 512 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 3: that's where I have to work through with Heather and Tarran. 513 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 3: That is where it is so like just hurtful, because 514 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 3: it's like, you don't practice what you preach. You've been 515 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 3: preaching to me all season to do one thing, and 516 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 3: then you went and did exactly what you're telling me 517 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 3: not to do. And you put the nail on the 518 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 3: coffin by saying, Okay, lex Is God, we don't want 519 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: her back. You know, we're done. We're done with that storyline, 520 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 3: which I get it. By the way, here's firsthand information, 521 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 3: Carlos King. I am not asked back next season. I 522 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 3: am not asked back. I did not. 523 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 2: How'd you find out a phone call with. 524 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 3: With with which I I and I have a very 525 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 3: good relationship with him. Alex basket obviously, but he's my boss. 526 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 3: But yeah, so, and it was a hard conversation. It came, 527 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 3: it didn't. I can't say it came as a shock. 528 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 3: I was gonna say it came as a shock. It 529 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 3: did not come as a shock the tim because it 530 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 3: was like noon in the afternoon. I guess I wasn't 531 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 3: really prepared and I didn't think contracts were coming out anytime, like. 532 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 3: I thought we still had more time, so I thought 533 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 3: he was calling to check in. Okay, the last scene sucked, 534 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 3: you know, I didn't know what he was calling for, 535 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 3: but it was a shocking when the call came. I 536 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 3: was never shocked about that information because it's what are 537 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 3: they going to do? I didn't know, especially after that scene, 538 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 3: where how do I fit in? You know? And I 539 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 3: am very good friends with Katie and Jen. Still I'm 540 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: working through it with Heather and Tamra. I still thought 541 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 3: there might be a way they can make it work 542 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 3: for everybody to come back, but you know, the cards 543 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 3: played the way they did, and how do they bring 544 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 3: someone back who is not a fan favorite versus the 545 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 3: fan favorite. And I get that. And when one door closes, 546 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 3: another door opened, it's totally it was a It was 547 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 3: a little bit of a real I mean, nobody wants 548 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 3: the rejection and no one wants to say, Okay, you're 549 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 3: not as bad. It's already happened to me. It happened 550 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 3: to me on season eight. Okay, I've been there, done that, 551 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 3: so it's like, okay, here we go again. But you know, 552 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 3: there was an instant of oh my gosh, if pay 553 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 3: relief because now the decision's not on my shoulders. It 554 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 3: was just taken away. Now we pick up the pieces 555 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 3: that we move forward, right, because if the decision had 556 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 3: come and the contract came. Part of what John and 557 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 3: I spent many nights talking about is do I have 558 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 3: what it takes to go through another season like what 559 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 3: I just went through, like watching every episode where but 560 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 3: if I was a full member, for a full cast member, 561 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 3: I would have had more opportunity to tell my story, 562 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 3: to show my side of me that's not just John, 563 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 3: because he's not my entire life. Like, yeah, I'm marrying him, 564 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 3: but he's not my entire life. There's so many more 565 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 3: facets and so many fun things happening in our life. 566 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, it makes it 567 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 3: easy when the decision is not yours anymore. You know, 568 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, now I got to move on. 569 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 2: Did you cry? No? 570 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: No, No, I think I think I cried so much 571 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 3: throughout the season just from the way that I was 572 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 3: portrayed that it was I don't think I had any 573 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 3: more tears to cry. And it was, like I said, 574 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 3: I was kind of so beaten down already that it's 575 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 3: and just from the hate that's come online, it's almost 576 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 3: like I just I don't have any more tears to cry. 577 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 3: It's like I'm It's made me stronger. That's the one 578 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 3: thing this season made me a lot stronger. 579 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: So I want to talk to you about that really quickly, 580 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: because obviously you did have a lot of you know, 581 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: vitrol when it came to the audience reaction by audience, 582 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: I'm talking about social media audience to the point where 583 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: you turn off your comments on your page. Can you 584 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: explain to me, like, listen, we all wanted and I 585 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: mean disrespectfully because that's the thing. 586 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 2: Thing they gave. We wanted Jesus Jugs back. 587 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 3: Right. 588 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: Everybody was sort of like campaigning, right, Alexis for you 589 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: to come back. 590 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 2: And that felt good. 591 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: It feels good to be wanted, to be desired, especially 592 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: by the audience, and you obviously were requested by the 593 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: audience to come back, and then it was a nonster 594 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: coming back, and again it was like, yeah, she's back, 595 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: and that must have felt good. When did you realize 596 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: there was a turn in the reception of you from 597 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: being requested to come back, the fans being excited at 598 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: you're coming back, and then it got so bad to 599 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: where you turn off the comments. 600 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 3: Well, let me let me just say I turned off 601 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 3: the comments for the sake of my children. They're very protective. 602 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 3: They I don't care what people say about me. I 603 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: have a seventeen, seventeen, and eighteen year old and they're 604 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 3: very protective. And they they were like, Mom, we're going 605 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 3: to start yelling at these people, like I'm going to 606 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 3: go to bad. I'm not. I can't take it anymore. 607 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: And I thought, I'm okay with it because I know 608 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 3: that I don't care. I don't really care what anyone 609 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 3: said about me. I have a great life. I meant, 610 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 3: I'm marrying the man of my dreams. I have three 611 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 3: greade kids. We have businesses we've started, like we're busy 612 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 3: and it's fun and life is fun, but when your 613 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 3: kids come to you and can't take it, and I 614 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 3: you know, I've had many talks with them and sat 615 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 3: them down and said, you guys understand TVs TA. Even 616 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 3: though it's reality, it's still TV, and it's not a 617 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 3: real world. It's not what you know because you watch 618 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 3: the episodes, you know that's not really your mom. But 619 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 3: they cut too much out to make it not really 620 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 3: be me. Where if they would have put a little 621 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 3: bit more and made it more balanced, like you said, 622 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 3: it's a balanced season for the entire cast members, maybe 623 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: it was a balanced season. It was not a balanced 624 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 3: season for me. I've made it very vocal on social media. 625 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 3: It was not balanced and if they would have made 626 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 3: it more balanced, America wouldn't have or I wouldn't have 627 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 3: had so much the trial from it. And I'm okay 628 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 3: with that. When you're I want to. 629 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: Say this too, I want to say this because I 630 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: did say this is my podcast. When I say a 631 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: balanced season, I'm obviously talking about the Orange Holders, right, 632 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: the women, the Housewives. I said this on my podcast. 633 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: You being a friend of it's a deficit because you're 634 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: not allowed just by definition of being a friend of 635 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: you're not allowed to share your full story. You know, 636 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: you are literally coming in as a friend and you 637 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: have limited scenes and limited confession and un limited ability. 638 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: Right who you know, show showed the full life. 639 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 3: So yeah, but then on on the flip side of that, 640 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 3: I'm okay with that, but also, don't use my story 641 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 3: and my world to become the main storyline, like, just 642 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 3: don't like That's that's where it really started to affect me. 643 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,959 Speaker 3: Is I don't mind being the friend of I am goofy. 644 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,239 Speaker 3: I do do airheaded things. I do like to have 645 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 3: fun and laugh a lot, but that is so not 646 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 3: only me, you know, and I would have been okay 647 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 3: with that. I feel like a lot of the content 648 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 3: was used almost against me instead of trying to show 649 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 3: a little bit more balance. And there's a way to 650 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 3: do both. But it brought good ratings. Okay, whatever, I mean, 651 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 3: you move on. It's like it's done, we filmed that, 652 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 3: it's over. So coming back to what you said, that's 653 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 3: the reason I turned off my comments was for my children, 654 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 3: not because of me, Like I said, it's my kids 655 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 3: need to be able to handle the world that I've 656 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 3: just brought them back into when they were four, three, four, five, 657 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 3: six seven different world, right, they don't read comments and 658 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 3: all of that, so I and I am going to 659 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 3: turn comments back on, and I am just kind of 660 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 3: wetting things. It's just like, just let it, you know. 661 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 3: I almost went through a phase Carlos where I said, 662 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 3: I'm never going to turn it back on. This is nice. 663 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 3: I never have to look at anything. I just post 664 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 3: what I want. This is my world. I never have 665 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 3: to feel good. It's like it's like, Okay, this is nice, 666 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 3: but I realize it's like, no, just just turn it 667 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 3: back on. I'll get there. I'm just trying to let 668 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 3: things some are down for my children's listen. 669 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: It's a tough gig. Being on reality TV is not easy. 670 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: And what's funny is there everybody watching feels like they 671 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,719 Speaker 1: can do it better. And it's like, you don't know. 672 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: Until you put into this social experiment, you don't know. 673 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: And that's why I had to mention everybody campaign for 674 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: you to come back, and then when you came back, 675 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: are gone. And so that's why I always tell people 676 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: I love the audience, and we are who we are 677 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: because of the audience, but the audience doesn't always get 678 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: it right. And you can't live your life not saying 679 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: you're doing this, but you can't live your life worrying 680 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: or or thinking that the audience knows better, because that's 681 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: not the case. I feel bad for you, honestly, because 682 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,959 Speaker 1: I wish Shannon would say this, as shann if you're listening, 683 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,719 Speaker 1: I will send you a Bouqueera roses because my listen, 684 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: this is how this shit works. Shannon emerged as a 685 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: fan favorite of the season, right, and Shannon did a 686 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: great job being the reality star that she is. 687 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: She did a great job. 688 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,479 Speaker 1: I would love for reality star to at least have 689 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,959 Speaker 1: some self awareness to say, well, shit, thank you Alexi 690 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: for coming on the show, because I mean, dude on me, 691 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: cause listen, if you were on the show, it would 692 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: just be Shannon versus Tamara, and that would have got 693 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: very old, very soon. That's why Tamara was like, all right, 694 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: you're doing the first of your turn because like. 695 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 3: And like, I totally know. I recognized very early on 696 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 3: how much I was helping Shannon and helped her because 697 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 3: of the fact that, you know, I wanted my friends 698 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 3: on the cast to see the John that I know 699 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 3: and who he really is, not the John They were 700 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 3: hearing from this conception. 701 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 2: All right, rain jobs. 702 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: So that was a little teaser of the conversation that 703 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: Alexis Melina and I had listen to the full interview 704 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: by subscribing to her podcast. Again, it's called Going Rogue 705 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: and it's Alexis Belina podcast, so they hear the rest 706 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: of our conversation. Subscribe to our podcast, listen to it 707 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: for wee get to many other things as well. Thank you, 708 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: rain Drops, and I will see you guys when I 709 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: see you child Ah, you guys will see me on 710 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: p six we will chat. 711 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to Reality with the Kings. 712 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: New episodes dropped on Tuesdays and Thursdays. 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