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Speaker 1: It's with Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Today, you guys,

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Speaker 1: we have an exciting Nino to one on one we

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Speaker 1: have with us Uh, the actor who portrayed Jordan Bonner,

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Speaker 1: who was Andrea's love interest, to name one of his

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Speaker 1: roles on the show, UM, played by Michael Anthony rawlins.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at this um head shot of Michael and

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Speaker 1: he is so handsome. Yes he is. I'll take that.

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Speaker 1: Oh high. You can hear us, I can hear just fine,

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Speaker 1: I can see you just fine. First of all, let

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Speaker 1: me make a toast. Oh time, Where are you right now?

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Speaker 1: I'm in my living room? But where I'm in l A?

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Speaker 1: Are you in l A? I is gonna say it's

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Speaker 1: five o'clock somewhere. But okay, this is actually a prop

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Speaker 1: but it looks like water actually doesn't like a good prop. Um.

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Speaker 1: But let that not put a damper on the cheers.

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Speaker 1: I just want to make a touch to the original

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Speaker 1: nine O two one O G crew. Hey, cheers, cheers.

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Speaker 1: So nice to have a little drink of water with you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that was water too. We UM were thrilled to have

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Speaker 1: you here because you started on our show when you

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Speaker 1: were young, just like us, and you've gone to have

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Speaker 1: this great, really fruitful career doing so many great roles

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Speaker 1: on television and films, and it's just nice to see that.

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Speaker 1: You know, thank you, thank you. When you start this journey,

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Speaker 1: you never know where it's gonna lead to. So m

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Speaker 1: just be able to stay in the game and have

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Speaker 1: some longevity is uh beautiful thing. So what was the

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Speaker 1: tell it talk us through the process of when you

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Speaker 1: audition you got the part of Jordan's Bonner because you

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Speaker 1: had already done like episodes of TV for other shows, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had some. I've done some other shows, but nothing

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Speaker 1: that had the profile of your show. Like I remember

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Speaker 1: that season three, if I'm not mistaken, weren't you all

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Speaker 1: to recover sial boxes? We had a sereal box. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it was crazy, honey, shrunk my own h what's the

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Speaker 1: one with the banney cheerio is with the b and

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Speaker 1: we did a commercial we were on Yeah. Um, so

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Speaker 1: it was definitely the highest profile GA that I had

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Speaker 1: the audition, I got the call back and I went

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Speaker 1: and uh, he gave me an adjustment in the callback,

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Speaker 1: I think he said. I think he said, just bring

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Speaker 1: it down because the way I was reading Jordan is

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Speaker 1: he was upset with the way his high school had

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Speaker 1: And uh, I brought it down. He said, thank you.

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Speaker 1: And I remember getting a call from my manager a

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Speaker 1: couple hours later and she said, okay, you're You're on

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Speaker 1: the short list, but you have to be approved by

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Speaker 1: Aaron Spelling himself. And I was like, really, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be united by Aaron Spelling? What? And then she

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Speaker 1: called back, I think it was that night or earlier

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Speaker 1: the next day, and said I had to roll. So

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Speaker 1: were you so excited, like like, that's a good call

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Speaker 1: to get no matter what show it's on, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was exciting my I think my manager was standing

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Speaker 1: I think it was the first time I saw her

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Speaker 1: Even then, once you got the part, you still thought

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Speaker 1: it was for one episode or did they know then

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Speaker 1: they were no, they didn't don't know that until after

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Speaker 1: we shot. It was in the camp. Then my agent

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Speaker 1: called and said, yeah, they're bringing you back, and it

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you guys know this, but

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Speaker 1: So one day I came to set and you know,

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Speaker 1: Gabrielle and I were dating on the show, and she

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Speaker 1: came up to me. She said, hey, Michael, and she

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Speaker 1: was kind of somber, and I was like, hey, Gabby,

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Speaker 1: what's up. She said, I gotta tell you something. I said,

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Speaker 1: it's nice stopped me gap my career by good luck

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Speaker 1: with your baby, right so, And I think that was

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Speaker 1: the season, that's a that's a bad break right there.

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Speaker 1: You got dealta a dud deal because the baby into

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Speaker 1: the show, like they used her pregnant. See that's right,

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Speaker 1: that's right. And Jesse I think his name was Jesse, Yes,

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Speaker 1: the character. Yeah, yes, you know, all my friends are like, dude,

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Speaker 1: the character of Jordan Bonner, Like, yeah, we all the

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Speaker 1: character of Jesse was cool, but like that would have

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Speaker 1: been really cool, like to continue that storyline and you're

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Speaker 1: the father and to to focus on you know what

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Speaker 1: you did so beautifully already for the show. What's such

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Speaker 1: an important pivotal role on the show by you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of representing all the the racial inequities that were

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Speaker 1: You you played all of that so beautifully, and it

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Speaker 1: would have been so impressive to like expand that and

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Speaker 1: let that. Yeah, that would lay out great story and

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Speaker 1: no offense to gap. But I can't. That's kind of

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Speaker 1: shocking that she delivered that information, right, Yeah, I'm like

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Speaker 1: outside the makeup trailer probably like like yes, I think

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Speaker 1: I actually stayed in touch over the years, and I

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Speaker 1: think because we were dating on the show, she felt

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Speaker 1: how this can, you know, affect someone, and I just

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen her now in a few years, but

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Speaker 1: we would bump into each other and hook up. I've

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Speaker 1: But I actually when they called me, when my rets

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Speaker 1: called the Hollywood career. We we've had Gab on our

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Speaker 1: watching the show back. So when that episode came out,

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Speaker 1: the Yale party. We got getting really excited that that

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Speaker 1: even let you guys kiss, and she felt that it

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Speaker 1: But then it was like she wasn't allowed to wear

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, she kept pointing things out that we were like, what,

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Speaker 1: I remember her talking to me about the cross, sorry,

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Speaker 1: it surprised me because to your dad was known as

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Speaker 1: And you know my dad, My dad was Jewish, so

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Speaker 1: Which again those things because it was Fox and they

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Speaker 1: Tuno was a young show. Your target demo was young

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Speaker 1: if anybody's going to embrace that storyline, it would have

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Speaker 1: been a youth. The youth is always leading the revolution,

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Speaker 1: that family was Richard rown Tree. Right, Oh, that was

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Speaker 1: the first time I read for the casting director whose

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Speaker 1: it's kind and I have facial hair that's gray, so

426
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: if I shave it, though I tend to get people

427
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: will still pick me up. And I've noticed you. You

428
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: look the same to me, thank you. Um. But yeah,

429
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: at the time when it aired, yeah, I got recognized

430
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: a lot more than I had ever been in my career.

431
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: And I remember my my dad coming to town and

432
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: we were at remember Mrs Gouches before it was wiled

433
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: by Whole food Oh my god, yes, god, Mrs that

434
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: was like that, sor And I remember you never picked

435
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: to that place. You made me go there to get brags. Yeah. Yeah,

436
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: they had all the good stuff and we were very

437
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: upset that they were being bottled by Whole Foods. I

438
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: remember signing a petition to stop it from happening. It

439
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: didn't work. It didn't work. We didn't get it done.

440
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: Corporate America. What are you gonna do? But um, I

441
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: was saying, Mrs cootch is one time with my dad

442
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: and a few people were pointing in whispering, and I

443
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: knew it was happening, but because they didn't approach me

444
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: or anything, I just kept it moving. And my dad said,

445
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: don't you see those people pointing at you and talking

446
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: to you what I said or pointing at you? And

447
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, that I do. He goes so soon

448
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: as you go over and talking to me about saying, well,

449
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: if I did that, we wouldn't get anything done. I

450
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: love the fans, but if they come up and they

451
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: acknowledge you, that's when you haven't exchange. But I'm not

452
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: going out of my kna go hey, do you guys

453
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: reckon as me? Right? Yeah, that that would be a

454
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: little weird, but it must have been for you guys,

455
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: like it was huge. So how did you guys deal

456
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: with it? I mean it's always different, Like every it

457
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: seems like every encounter has a different energy about it,

458
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: like a different way to handle it. Right, Like there's

459
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: those fans that you have to give them your undivided

460
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: attention and time because they are so passionate and so devoted,

461
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: and we we love those fans and our show has

462
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: a lot of them, thank goodness. Seel Yeah, yeah, yeah,

463
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's why I think for us it just

464
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: became such a constant way of life, Like I know

465
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: for me, like people would see like your dad seeing

466
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: that people were seeing you. I wouldn't have seen it.

467
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: It just kind of in order to have a normal life,

468
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: like I would just navigate and I didn't even see it.

469
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, white noise. Yeah, and then

470
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: people would be like, oh my god, those people are

471
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: freaking out. I'd be like what people Like, I didn't

472
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: even notice it. And then when I did, like, of course,

473
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 1: I would like be with them and say like hi,

474
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: and and give them hugs. But in order to do

475
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: your daily routine, you kind of just had to like

476
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: go through life and not be like, oh my god,

477
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: oh my god, everyone's looking at me. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

478
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: I think um. Somebody told me early on. I can't

479
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: remember who they were talking about specifically, but they said,

480
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: this person is one of the biggest stars in the

481
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: world and they just they do their own grocery shopping.

482
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: They don't have any bodyguards or anything. And he said,

483
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: I think the people that, unless it's a very unique situation,

484
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: the people that don't have bodyguards and just go about

485
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: their lives in a in a regular way are fine.

486
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: It's like the bigger you make of it, the bigger

487
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: it becomes. Like you can attract all that madness if

488
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: you don't navigate that space careful. Very true. I didn't

489
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: know that was even an option back then, to have

490
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: somebody else do your grocery shopping, or to have a bodyguard,

491
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: like we had bodyguards on set in our real life,

492
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: Like we didn't just have a bodyguard as we went

493
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: and did our errands during the day, and we didn't

494
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: have instat cart or like things like that. So yeah,

495
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: you just had to write like you did your own

496
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: grocery shopping, Like what was the alternative? You had to

497
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: put your armor on and go out into the world. Yeah, yeah,

498
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: we had. There were times. There were like times when

499
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: it was harder than than other times, and you had

500
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: to kind of adapt and be flexible and give yourself

501
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: a little a little break because it was challenging for

502
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: sure at times, and it still can be like even

503
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, just going out sometimes you gotta like psych

504
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: yourself up. I mean I do, I have to psych

505
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: myself up to go. I'm going out in the world.

506
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: And because I live my life like I'm just a

507
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: normal person. I'm a mom, I have dogs, I run

508
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: my house like I have to do all the things

509
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: like we're normal people. But when you go out and

510
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: then you get recognized, you're like, wait, what, I'm not

511
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: normal like that. It's confusing messaging. Yeah. Yeah, and when

512
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: when you have kids, I think it's even trickier. It is,

513
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: especially when they're little because they don't understand. Like one

514
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: of mine were smaller, they'd be like, we were just

515
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: we're here to have fun. We want to go, you know,

516
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: do this and be at Chuck E Cheese and like

517
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: people were wanting to talk to me and they're like,

518
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: come on, and those are the bands like you can't, yeah,

519
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: be rude. Yeah, they don't get it at their kids. Yeah. Yeah.

520
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: I remember getting escorted to set one day. There was

521
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: a knock on my door. Um, it might have been

522
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: an episode the second or third episode I did. There's

523
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: a knock on my door and I opened the door

524
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: to the trailer and there were two bodyguards standing there

525
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: and they were like. I was like, hey, they're like

526
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: here to escort you to set. And I was like,

527
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: I think you're ever wrong. Trailer. Jason's trailer's right there,

528
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, you're seen as with Jason and

529
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna need an escort to set. And I was

530
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: like okay, And I really didn't clue in yet until

531
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: I came out of my trailer and then we stopped

532
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: in his trailer, and then the four of us walked

533
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: the set and we were shooting at the high school

534
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: and there were girls on the feds. It was like

535
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: being inside of Beatles footage. They were screaming and crying

536
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god to see it

537
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: up close. And I remember turning to Jason and I said,

538
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: so this is your life and I will never forget this.

539
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: His shoulders went up like this. He just he just

540
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: kind of sighed. We went yeah, and I was like, whoa,

541
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: that's a lot of weight. You could feel the weight

542
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: on him, the weight of celebrity, And in that moment,

543
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: I said to myself, you know, I don't need to

544
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: be crazy famous. I just want to work. I'd rather

545
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: not deal with all of that and just kind of

546
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: be one of those actors that people see and recognize,

547
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: but they don't know who you are. They don't know

548
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: what you see. When they're just like, hey, there's that actor.

549
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: What's his name, what's he been in? But they don't know,

550
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: so you can kind of roll anonymously, you know what

551
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying, but I will never forget that moment. Yeah,

552
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's still happening today, like you know,

553
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: a famous the Beast, and there's no there's no like

554
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: nobody tells you how to deal with it, and nobody

555
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: tell us how to deal with it. And I think,

556
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: like now, because of the Internet and because we have

557
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: so much exposure to everything, we know, like people that

558
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: are coming up now know what it's going to be like.

559
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: But back then, nobody warned us. Nobody warned Jason and

560
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: Luke what was going to happen to their lives on

561
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: that level. And we just I'm so grateful and proud

562
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: of everybody for making it out alive, you know, just

563
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: getting through it and and and I think everybody dealt

564
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: with it pretty well. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh, it's tricky

565
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: and you you know, going in that it's that it

566
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: could happen. But like you said, there's one book, so

567
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: we should make one. We should write a book. You should.

568
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: How does yeal of fame? Celebrity now is even crazier

569
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: with social media. It's not snill, it's next level. I

570
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: mean I've had the conversation with my son and just

571
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: told him like he did a movie. His first movie

572
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: was Timmy Failure. Mistakes were made and it came out

573
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: on Disney Plus as one of their initial original movies.

574
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 1: And so he dealt with it at school because everybody

575
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, there's from Timmy Failure and uh,

576
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: he said, Daddy, you were right, And he said, and

577
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: where kids that came up to me and talked to

578
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: me and wanted to be my friend who never talked

579
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: to me before, you know, ignored me, even kids in

580
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: my own class. And I said, yeah, it's one of

581
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: the downsides that you have to deal with. So you know,

582
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 1: keep your friends closer and enemies closer. You know, you'll

583
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: know who's genuine and who's not. But I think it's

584
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: a trickier thing, so hard for kids to navigate than

585
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: for adult It's still hard. I still don't sometimes make

586
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: the right choice and don't realize because you want people

587
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: to like you for you, and you forget like, oh,

588
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: I just went into it and I even thought, of

589
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: course they like me for me, and then you're like, oh,

590
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: there's that. I forgot that part of it. Yeah. Yeah,

591
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: so it's hard. So good chatting with you, Mike, so

592
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: great to see your face. We could do this for

593
00:35:53,160 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: at I love it. It's our favorite thing to do, right.

594
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: We're very appreciative that you came on today with us,

595
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: and the fans will be so happy to get to

596
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: see you and hear what we're talking about with you. Well,

597
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm honored that you guys reached out. I'm glad you did.

598
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: It's good to see you and hopefully in some uh

599
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: when the world returns to his access, maybe we can

600
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: see each other person or something. I know it's true.

601
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna set that you and your son get to

602
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: be in a project together. Would be fabulous. Yes, yes, yes,

603
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: all body parts crossed. But I'm definitely gonna channel. I'm

604
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: gonna take I'm gonna take the room my next opportunity

605
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: because of you. Thank you. So good to see you, Jenny. Good,

606
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: good to see you. Thank you back at you. Bye,