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Speaker 1: From Mediators World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana.

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Speaker 2: This is Cal's wee Can Review with Ryan cal Callahan.

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Speaker 2: Now Here's Cal and Idaho man was arrested last month

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Speaker 2: in Yellowstone National Park after walking up to a bison

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Speaker 2: and kicking it in the leg. Forty year old Chance

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Speaker 2: Yoder allegedly left his car, approached a herd of bison

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Speaker 2: and did his best Pele impression on the unsuspecting bovine shim.

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Speaker 2: The bison was not amused, but it decided to let

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Speaker 2: him off easy. The National Park Service says Yoder sustained

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Speaker 2: quote minor injuries from the animal, but didn't elaborate. Yoder

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Speaker 2: is lucky the bison didn't kick him in the leg.

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Speaker 2: He wouldn't have walked away from that one. You won't

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Speaker 2: be surprised to hear that. Along with disorderly conduct and

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Speaker 2: approaching and disturbing wildlife, Yoder was also charged with being

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Speaker 2: quote under the influence of alcohol to a degree that

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Speaker 2: may endanger oneself. That helps explain Yoder's behavior, but it

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Speaker 2: turns out that you don't have to be drunk to

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Speaker 2: do stupid things with bison and Yellowstone National Park. In

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, a woman got within ten feet of

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Speaker 2: a bison before at Gordon. Another woman was gored by

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Speaker 2: bison in twenty three, though it's unclear how close she

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Speaker 2: got to the animal. In another incident from last year,

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Speaker 2: a woman went viral after she was photographed trying to

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Speaker 2: take a selfie with the bison that was lying on

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Speaker 2: the ground. She wasn't injured, but the park Service is

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Speaker 2: now constantly telling visitors to stay at least twenty five

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Speaker 2: yards away from bison at all times. Common sense and

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Speaker 2: so common I think they call it like park brain

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Speaker 2: or park syndrome, maybe one of those things. Anyway, this

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Speaker 2: week we've got Griz, the Crime Desk, Pheasants and so

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Speaker 2: much more. But first I'm going to tell you about

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Speaker 2: my week. In My week is actually several weeks all

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Speaker 2: in a row. To repeat myself, Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for coming out to the Meat Eater Live Tour events.

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Speaker 2: It means a lot to us, great meeting you all.

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Speaker 2: Fill the engineer on harmonica and vocals for the Bear

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Speaker 2: Grease Render Band as well as the vog that's voice

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Speaker 2: of God backstage really just just an anchor out there,

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Speaker 2: and he was on the whole darn tour we raised

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Speaker 2: twenty five thousand dollars donated to a host of conservation

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Speaker 2: groups through trivia. Big thanks to ONEX for all the

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Speaker 2: support there. Big shout out to Old Dave and kelsey

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Speaker 2: K Big Dave kelsey K for battling the crowds, trains, traffic,

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Speaker 2: and trappings of life to make an appearance at the

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Speaker 2: Tacoma Show next week. I'm gonna tell everyone which one

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Speaker 2: of you two brought more joy to the tour. After all,

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Speaker 2: affection is a competition. Good I feel your anger. So

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Speaker 2: currently I'm back home in bos Angelus, got the snort

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Speaker 2: dog with me. We're huss on our buns trying to

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Speaker 2: get out of the office and into the Turkey woods.

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Speaker 2: It's currently dumping snow here, and I have to head

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Speaker 2: to the airport to pick up Old b rad Leoni.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get a little turkey walk in and then

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Speaker 2: do some podcasting, so you know, another day in the

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Speaker 2: coal mine. Here at Mediator HQ, it's the tree sex Organs,

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Speaker 2: and today we're going to pick them and eat them.

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Speaker 2: I just want to say thanks. A bunch of folks

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Speaker 2: wrote in on like what I should do to the

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Speaker 2: truck to make it run a little bit better and

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Speaker 2: maybe what I should not do as well. I ended

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Speaker 2: up getting new leave springs and fox rebuildable shocks installed

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Speaker 2: by a local company in town called Freedom four Wheel.

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Speaker 2: Holy cats, man, it's like driving a brand spanking new truck.

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Speaker 2: I love it. It's crazy. Now I just need to

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Speaker 2: figure out the topper situation and we'll be highly mobile,

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Speaker 2: ideally in time for elks and birds and all the

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Speaker 2: rest of it. For whatever reason, I like fixing that

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Speaker 2: old truck. Twenty year old truck. You know, in Montana,

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Speaker 2: it's got to be ten years old to get a

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Speaker 2: lifetime license, which is kind of the bar I set

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Speaker 2: for buying a vehicle, whether or not I need to

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Speaker 2: license it every year anyway. All right, before we get

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Speaker 2: to the news, I got a referenced this week's Special

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Speaker 2: Drop episode with Kip Adams of the National Deer Association.

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Speaker 2: You may notice I always call it the National Deer Alliance.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, there's a lot of acronyms and conservation, Okay, folks,

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Speaker 2: It's National Deer Association. Anyway, we discussed the Oklahoma bill

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Speaker 2: about releasing captive servians into the general wild population. The

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Speaker 2: Governor of Oklahoma Governor Stitz just signed that thing, which

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Speaker 2: is an absolute mind blower to me. Please write in

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Speaker 2: and let me know what you think about that one.

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Speaker 2: All right, Moving on to the animal attack desk, a

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Speaker 2: shed hunter shot and killed the sow grizzly bear earlier

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Speaker 2: this month as the three hundred pound brewin charged him

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Speaker 2: in western Montana. Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks reports that

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Speaker 2: the incident occurred on private land northwest of the town

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Speaker 2: on a Wolf Creek. The shed hunter, who has not

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Speaker 2: been identified, was walking along ridge when he saw a

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Speaker 2: grizzly track in a snow patch just a few minutes earlier.

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Speaker 2: The bear, on the other hand, was almost certainly aware

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Speaker 2: with the wind at his back and his two dogs

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Speaker 2: on all fours and charged. Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks

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Speaker 2: says the man was not carrying bear spray, but he

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Speaker 2: drew his handgun and fired five shots at a distance

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Speaker 2: between ten and thirty feet. Three of the shots missed,

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Speaker 2: but one grazed the bear and another killed it. A

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Speaker 2: Montana Fishwildlife and Park spokesman said the bear was shot

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Speaker 2: in the upper chest area, though he couldn't share any

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Speaker 2: additional information about the gun or caliber. The hunter was

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Speaker 2: not injured in the encounter. The bear was an adult

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Speaker 2: female estimated at twelve years old. She had a cub

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Speaker 2: with her that was later captured by bear management specialist.

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Speaker 2: It was taken to FWP's Wildlife Rehabilitation Center in Helena,

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Speaker 2: and the agency is currently looking for placement for the

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Speaker 2: cub at an accredited zoo. The hunter is being criticized

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Speaker 2: by online keyboard warriors for not carrying bear spray and

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Speaker 2: for not turning around when he saw the bear track

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Speaker 2: in the snow. If you want to know what I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, none of us were there. Damn hard to say.

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Speaker 2: I can't say this. I hate seeing these grizzly bears

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Speaker 2: die in a wasteful fashion, meaning this hunter can't eat

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Speaker 2: the meat and you know, can't utilize this animal, which

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Speaker 2: does make it wasteful. Would bear spray have worked he

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Speaker 2: had the wind at his back, It may have. Again,

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Speaker 2: we weren't there Is this a big kick in the

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Speaker 2: sack to grizzly bear populations in the state of Montana. No,

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Speaker 2: it's not. We got a healthy population. The state of

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Speaker 2: Montana kills a lot of grizzly bears every year due

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Speaker 2: to conflict. Right, this is kind of ap in the bucket,

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Speaker 2: But there's part of me that says, if there were

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Speaker 2: expeditious fashion. So bear spray is a great thing. I

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Speaker 2: tell people all the time, carry bear spray before carrying

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Speaker 2: a pistol because you, just like most pistol carrying folks, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: don't practice shooting your pistol. And when you shoot a

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Speaker 2: projectile that's three feet wide versus you know, three centimeters long,

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Speaker 2: you got a better chance of hitting what you're aiming at.

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Speaker 2: Grizzlies are protected under the Endangered Species Act, So the

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Speaker 2: US Fish and Wildlife Service is still investigating this incident.

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Speaker 2: While that investigation is technically ongoing, the Montana Fishwilife and

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Speaker 2: Parks felt confident enough in this version of events to

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Speaker 2: publish a press release. If there are any updates we'll

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Speaker 2: keep you in the loop. Moving on to the crime desk.

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Speaker 2: Two teenage boys in Florida turned themselves in last week

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Speaker 2: after a video of them dumping trash into the ocean

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Speaker 2: went viral on social media. The video shows a troop

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Speaker 2: boker Ratan. Two of them take garbage cans full of

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Speaker 2: what looked like aluminum cans and dumped them straight into

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Speaker 2: the ocean. The video was taken by a local content

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Speaker 2: creator who criticized the behavior on social media, and it

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Speaker 2: spread quickly across the Internet. Calls for punishment intensified until

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Speaker 2: the pair, a fifteen and sixteen year old, turned themselves

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Speaker 2: have asked that their son be punished with community service

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Speaker 2: hours related to ocean conservation. Good job parents, staying in Florida.

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Speaker 2: The president of a homeowners association in Palm Bay was

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Speaker 2: taken to jail last month after threatening a group of

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Speaker 2: kids kids with a gun. The youngsters were fishing in

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Speaker 2: a pond in the Stillwater Lake subdivision when fifty six

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Speaker 2: year old Kyle Tate walked up to them and chased

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Speaker 2: them away at gunpoint. Tate then took they're fishing reels

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Speaker 2: and threw them in the woods. The kids were seven,

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Speaker 2: ten and fifteen. They don't live in the subdivision, their

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Speaker 2: parents say they've fished there before with no issues. Tate

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Speaker 2: was booked in Brevard County Jail and was released after

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Speaker 2: posting bond. He's being charged with felony, criminal mischief, and

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Speaker 2: grand theft. There is no circumstance in which a seven

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Speaker 2: year old should be chased away from a pond with

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Speaker 2: a gun, but I suspect this had been an ongoing dispute.

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Speaker 2: The parents might not know about previous interactions between Tate

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Speaker 2: bet they'd been asked to leave ee again. Old Tate

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Speaker 2: should probably spend time behind bars for this, And honestly,

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Speaker 2: I do not give two craps about the excuse, like

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Speaker 2: if these kids who are seven, ten and fifteen are

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Speaker 2: spending their time fishing fishing for all the crap that

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Speaker 2: we lump on young kids these days about being unproductive

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Speaker 2: and doing drugs and porn and all the things. Seven

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Speaker 2: ten and fifteen and they're fishing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, we're talking about fishing, not a gang,

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Speaker 1: not a gang, not a gang.

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Speaker 2: Were talking about fishing. Maybe they're fishing at your subdivision,

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Speaker 2: but they're fishing, for God's sakes, Dude, you lost the

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Speaker 2: plot a long time. Agough, Somebody better figure out if

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Speaker 2: this Tate is related to those Tate's cookies, because those

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Speaker 2: are a big staple in meat eater grocery buyes across

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Speaker 2: the country. If it is, we're going to ban that stuff. Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is just ridiculous. Rediculous. Plus, do you need a

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Speaker 2: gun to approach a seven to ten and a fifteen

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Speaker 2: should be scary enough. A twenty year old man in

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Speaker 2: Oregon is being charged with a litany of crimes after

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Speaker 2: authorities say he killed eighteen thousand juvenile salmon. Joshua Heckathorne

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Speaker 2: allegedly broke into a hatchery in the town of Reedsport,

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Speaker 2: stole a container of bleach from a supply shed, and

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Speaker 2: dumped it into one of the fish tanks. The incident

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Speaker 2: happened on Earth Day, and officials at the hatchery were

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Speaker 2: initially concerned that it had been the work of eco terras,

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Speaker 2: but it turned out to be something far less dramatic.

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Speaker 2: No clear motive has been reported in the press, so

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Speaker 2: this looks like a simple case of vandalism for the

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Speaker 2: fun of it. But anglers in Alaska and British Columbia

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Speaker 2: aren't laughing Offish will say that losing so many pre

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Speaker 2: smoltfish that means like for a lay person terms, little

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Speaker 2: tiny baby fish that are pre release, Okay, the smoltz

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Speaker 2: are the ones that are able to navigate downstream and

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Speaker 2: out to the ocean. This act could mean a loss

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Speaker 2: of potentially hundreds of adult salmon. Hecathorne is also going

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Speaker 2: to have a tough few months. He's been charged with

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Speaker 2: unlawful taking of chinook salmon, making a toxic substance available

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Speaker 2: to wildlife, and criminal mischief. Whoever hands down this sentence

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Speaker 2: can make it as tough or as lenient as they'd like.

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Speaker 2: The courts have the power to charge a seven hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty dollars fee for poaching even a single chinook salmon.

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Speaker 2: Because Heckethorne poached seventeen thousand, eight hundred and ninety fish,

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Speaker 2: Rather than address these concerns, they simply remove that line

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Speaker 2: Carole Baskin from Tiger King. If you have no idea.

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Speaker 1: This Vallid initiative is only about trophy hunting. It's not

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Speaker 2: Of course, this ballot measure that we're talking about wouldn't

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Speaker 2: State law requires hunters to harvest any big game animal

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Speaker 2: Moving on to the caribou desk, a new study published

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Speaker 2: deer population. That's an example, right of reducing caribou numbers

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Speaker 2: So the caribou is the predator of the food source.

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Speaker 2: Jim Hefflefinger, all right in tell me how I messed

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Speaker 2: that up. But also provide a greater learning opportunity for

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Speaker 2: all of us. And that's why we're here right as.

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Speaker 1: To learn, because knowledge is power.

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Speaker 2: Hey, want to tell you one more time, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for meeting us all out on the road.

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Speaker 2: Very heartwarming to hear how much conservation means to all

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Speaker 2: of you. How many of you stepped up and said, hey,

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Speaker 2: you know, just turn fifty whatever and called my representative

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Speaker 2: for the first time. That's awesome. Don't be ashamed of that.

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Speaker 2: Keep it up. This is a time in our country

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Speaker 2: where we got to be able to voice our opinions,

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Speaker 2: got to know our system. Show up, testify at fishing

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Speaker 2: Right cool. I got to tell you too, man, just

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Speaker 2: here too. But I am the new board chair for

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Speaker 2: Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. Patrick Barry is the new CEO

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Speaker 2: of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. We're working our tails off

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Speaker 2: to step in and make sure that public lands, waters,

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Speaker 2: wildlife access to those things are the battles that we're

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Speaker 2: picking right now. Where we're gonna weigh in this stuff is,

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Speaker 2: you know, shape my entire life. It's, you know, my

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Speaker 2: and I want to make sure that it's around for

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Speaker 2: everybody else too. So appreciate y'all joining us in this

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Speaker 2: big old fight, which can also be a celebration of

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Speaker 2: the things we enjoy. Right, So, thanks again. I'll talk

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Speaker 2: to you soon. Right in to ask c al that's

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Speaker 2: an ascal at themeateater dot com. Let me know what's

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Speaker 2: going on in your neck of the woods. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again, we'll talk to you next week. Then I

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