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Speaker 1: Hello, Hey, how's it going? Hey?

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Speaker 2: What's up? Man? What's your name?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Gary?

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Speaker 2: Gary? Gary? Gary? Gary? I think, Uh, I think I'm

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Speaker 3: I think I feel like I should just call everyone

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Speaker 3: caller because I forget everyone's names and it's supposed to

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Speaker 3: be anonymous anyway, you know, some I'll just call you

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Speaker 3: a caller from now on, maybe unless I changed my

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Speaker 3: mind at some point. Whenever I feel like it, call her.

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Speaker 2: What's up? What'd you want to talk about today?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Nothing's just been trying to call you for fucking

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Speaker 1: years now.

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Speaker 2: Oh cool? Cool? Okay? How long how long have you

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Speaker 2: been doing? Thank you man? I appreciate that. How long

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Speaker 2: have you been listening to the show for?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 5: Fuck?

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Speaker 1: How long have you been around? Since you've been on

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Speaker 1: a public U? Public Reddit or whatever it was?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Five years? Crazy shit, the years start coming. D you

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Speaker 3: have a whole ass kid?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Since U I started listening to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how's that going?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: It's going. Uh, it's tough. It's fun having the kid.

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Speaker 1: It's just everything comes with it, like, he's great.

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Speaker 2: What inspired you to want to have a kid?

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Speaker 1: Uh, you know, not fear pulling out?

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Speaker 2: I guess Oh it was an accident.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: How'd you feel when you found out that, uh uh,

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Speaker 3: you considering like, oh shit, let's maybe not do this,

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Speaker 1: No, I was scared of shit, but it wasn't. I

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Speaker 1: was prepared to do whatever she decided.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, do you? I mean I guess looking now,

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Speaker 1: He's about two and six months or so.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So comparing how you feel now to how you

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Speaker 3: or are you like, all right, I'm over that fear.

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Speaker 1: It was definitely warranted. Like you know, your life changes.

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Speaker 1: You fucking can't do a lot of things that you

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Speaker 2: What sorts of things could you not? Can you not

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Speaker 1: I guess just do whatever I wanted pretty much like

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Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I don't have to carry a

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess if if we're gonna get specific, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: Play video games whenever I want? Yes, true, he requires

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's true. Well you can you Are you able

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Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, except for he likes He always wants my attention,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good, that's good.

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Speaker 3: I guess when you're how old two and a half?

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Speaker 3: How old do kids start playing video games at? I'm

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Speaker 2: Are you in? Are you in Nintendo?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I would say four or five?

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, So I guess in a couple of years,

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Speaker 1: Super Smash Brothers, Mario.

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Speaker 3: Got Let's see, the GameCube came out in two thousand

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Speaker 1: Oh that's nice. Yeah, I want to be there playing

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Speaker 3: That's something I've been thinking a lot lately about kids

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Speaker 1: But like, m yeah, people have kids when they're like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well how old are you?

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Speaker 2: Cool man? Cool? Yeah? So do you did you ever

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like, but do you feel like what

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Because I didn't get to see my kid for

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Speaker 2: What why did you miss the week?

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Speaker 1: Just you know, personal shit and work and the baby mama.

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Speaker 2: Are you and the baby mama cool?

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Speaker 1: Well? I thought we were, but yeah, it.

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Speaker 2: Goes okay, So do you are you guys don't live together?

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Speaker 2: Uh? What have you been up to in those seven months?

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Speaker 1: I'm working and figuring out what I'm gonna do because

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Speaker 1: it's uh, we were together for like eight years and

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Speaker 1: now I have this like kind of freedom and uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck to do with myself.

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Speaker 2: Ooh interesting, tell me? Can I do you want to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we can talk about it. What I got? Uh

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hit me with the plans.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about, uh, not selling my house but renting

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Speaker 3: Would you drive the van around or would you do

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Speaker 1: Van and take like a lower paying job, less stressful,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking. That's cool. What

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Speaker 2: Is that a lot of stress?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it can be, it has, it stays and the

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Speaker 3: So you're gonna downsize to a van, get a lower

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just family in general. I guess I.

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Speaker 2: Like that idea. I like that idea. I think that's cool.

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Speaker 2: Is this something that you've been wanting to do for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, but I knew I could never

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm going to talk about therapist here.

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Speaker 2: Have you talked to your therapist about this before?

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Speaker 1: I guess because you don't really see the benefits of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you want to live an event?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean from talking to you for two seconds,

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Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah. They're more casual though, because it's the casual

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Speaker 2: Yeah you need some ship? Well yeah, bro you need

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Speaker 3: I think one of the things I've learned is you

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Speaker 3: it's that. It's that, it's cheers, dude, it's where everybody

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta have you gotta have that place.

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Speaker 3: Where you go and you know everyone, and and you

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Speaker 2: You gotta have that place.

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Speaker 3: And if you don't have that place, you gotta it

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Speaker 2: It's it's like a key to.

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Speaker 3: Or well, nah mean mainly just just may may I

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, what's your name? Gary?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Gary? Yeah, Gary, Gary Gary, Gary?

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Speaker 3: All right, So you're fucking you got your magic tournament

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna try to take a lower paying job to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, be with Kid Moore. Yeah, stop drinking too, Stop

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Speaker 1: That living in the car.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like my whole anytime we go for a birthday

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Speaker 2: Well, oh do you have a lot of family where

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Speaker 1: Well? She always asked me, what I what do I

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Speaker 1: It sucks, Yeah it does, but shit happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, life is crazy.

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Speaker 1: That says crazy. Yeah, Gary, it's.

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Speaker 2: Been nice talking to you. Is there is there.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean down to Ashville alle Yeah, I've.

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Speaker 3: That sounds like a fun ass time. Well, is there

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Speaker 3: anything else you want to say at all before? I

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Speaker 2: Cool, good luck, Gary, take care man?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, YouTube get I like that.

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Speaker 3: I'm stoked that, uh the podcast inspired him to go

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Speaker 2: Like That's why That's why I love cities so much.

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Speaker 3: magic or whatever and buy like a diet coke.

448
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 2: You know, doesn't have to be crazy expensive.

449
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 5: Hello is this the Therapy?

450
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 4: Agree?

451
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 2: Yes? Who is this?

452
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: Hello?

453
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 5: My name is Alex.

454
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 2: What's up Alex? How you doing? Man?

455
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm not too bad. I just before we

456
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 5: start this conversation, I just I wanted to say that

457
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 5: I have I have called you before, and I've been

458
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 5: listened to you a little bit this evening, and you

459
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 5: and you've expressed the distaste for people who call you

460
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 5: multiple times. So I don't know, I don't know whether

461
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 5: you would want to talk to me again or if

462
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 5: you want to have a different conversation than perhaps we

463
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 5: had last time.

464
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it is true that I prefer to

465
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: talk to new people because you know, I know that

466
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people who want to talk on

467
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 3: the show that haven't gotten the chance to talk before.

468
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 2: What I mean, when how recently did we talk?

469
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: Well?

470
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Speaker 5: So I actually the first time that I spoke to you,

471
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 5: I met you in person at show in London. I

472
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 5: came and the last time I called you, I told

473
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 5: you about the time that I met you at the

474
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 5: show and you said that perhaps that you had been

475
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 5: moved to tears or something, and.

476
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were the guy, yeah, yeah, yeah, you were

477
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 2: the guy who you were the guy who?

478
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 4: Who?

479
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: Who?

480
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 2: Who read the letter on stage?

481
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 5: No no, no, no no no no that wasn't me, that

482
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 5: was someone else. But I came up to you after

483
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 5: a show and I said to you that the show

484
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 5: had helped me for the better and it helped my life.

485
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 5: And I spoke to you about, you know, the something

486
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 5: that you had talked about called the tax of life,

487
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 5: which like you know, how you accepting some move on

488
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 5: in your life difficult and stuff like that. And I

489
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 5: came up to you after the show and told you

490
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 5: about that, and then I called you. Last time I

491
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 5: called you was about just before the Vice documentary came out.

492
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 5: It was literally working like the day before the Vice

493
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 5: documentary came out. And I spoke to you then and

494
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 5: I called you and we spoke for about forty five

495
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 5: minutes and then by the end and I think the

496
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 5: whole conversation was me trying to reassure you that that

497
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 5: you're doing a great job and the podcast is a

498
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 5: good thing. And I felt like in that conversation we

499
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 5: spoke for about forty five minutes about you, and I

500
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 5: was trying to I was trying to therapy you. And

501
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 5: so I thought this time, if I called up, I

502
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 5: could maybe share something about myself. And it was but

503
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 5: that's only if you want to.

504
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: You know what, you know what, you know what, you

505
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 2: know what? Hold on you know what?

506
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: Alex.

507
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Speaker 3: First of all, I I kind of I actually think

508
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 3: I do remember this now, I think I do. Right, Okay,

509
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 3: So UK, okay, you you didn't come this past November.

510
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: You came to my show in the summer of twenty

511
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 3: twenty three.

512
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's right. Yeah, so it was in London

513
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 5: and Camden. I came to see you and yeah, and

514
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 5: the reason is, to be honest with you, is because

515
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 5: I lived in a city called Birmingham and you haven't

516
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 5: been to Birmingham yetually at all. But it's the best

517
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 5: scene in the UK. It's the second largest city needs

518
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 5: to come. You need to come to my city and

519
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 5: come and hang out here. That's why. But yeah, I

520
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 5: love the show and I'd love to go.

521
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,239
Speaker 2: Thanks Met. Well, yeah, of course, Well first of all,

522
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: yes we can. We can have this conversation. Yeah, I remember,

523
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: I do, Actually, I do remember that fucking I do

524
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: remember that phone call. Yeah, I do remember that phone call.

525
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: How are you doing? Man?

526
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 5: What I'm doing good? I'm doing good. And I think

527
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 5: a lot of my life is like extremely extremely stressful

528
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 5: right now, but I feel quite I feel quite happy.

529
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 5: I feel good in the field. And I think I

530
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 5: know just moments ago that you said that you don't

531
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 5: you don't want to talk about extrastential dreads and so't

532
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 5: we won't talk about that, and I'll talk about happy things.

533
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 5: And but yeah, I can tell you about my life

534
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 5: if you want to know about me. And I think

535
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 5: last time, when I spoke to you and you asked

536
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 5: me some questions, I think that I tried to not talk.

537
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 5: I try not to not tell you too many details

538
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 5: about my life to be identifiable. But I actually I

539
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 5: think I don't mind. I think if you want to

540
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 5: talk about anything, then I'm happy to talk about literally anything.

541
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 5: With you as well. So if you if you want

542
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 5: to ask me something, then I'm oiles whatever you want

543
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 5: to talk about.

544
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: Sure, mat well listen.

545
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 3: It sounds like you called in to want to talk

546
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: about something specific, so I'm down to talk about it.

547
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah I did. I did want to talk

548
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 5: about something specific.

549
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: Okay.

550
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 5: So I have something that I talk about. It is

551
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 5: like a funny thing sometimes it's like a bit of

552
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 5: a nice breakup and I think my partner, my partner

553
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 5: hates it because she it's really embarrassing, Like it's a

554
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 5: really embarrassing thing to talk about and tell people. But

555
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 5: I just wanted to get your opinion on like this

556
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 5: thing that I tell people about, and I want to

557
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 5: know what you where you think about it as well,

558
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 5: if that's okay, sure, Oh my god, Okay, my girlfriend's

559
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 5: she's she's just looking at me with her head on

560
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 5: her hands, her hands on her head. I think she

561
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 5: doesn't want me to say this, but I'm going to

562
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 5: tell you about it, okay. So have you have you

563
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 5: ever been poor and like desperate for money, like you

564
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 5: need to do something like really like like drastic tourn

565
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 5: some money. Have you ever been in that situation?

566
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: I'm really lucky that I grew up, you know, not

567
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: having to like ever be like particularly stressed about money.

568
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm too privileged to answer that question.

569
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 5: Okay, have you ever have you ever thought to yourself,

570
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 5: what's the weirdest or like, what's the worst thing that

571
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 5: you'd be willing to do for money? Have you ever

572
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 5: had that thought cross from money?

573
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had that thought across lunch for sure.

574
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, well, so I also had this thought come

575
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 5: across my mind many times, and I think, you know,

576
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 5: would you ever like sometimes I find myself thinking, like,

577
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 5: would I lick a homeless man's foot for fifty pounds?

578
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 5: And I mean that's like seventy five dollars. I think

579
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 5: something like that, And I think that, you know, I

580
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 5: probably wouldn't lick at homeless nuns for like fifty or

581
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 5: seventy five dollars or whatever. But I think my threshold

582
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 5: is a lot lower than like a lot of people,

583
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 5: so like what I'm willing to do to embarrass myself

584
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 5: for money? Like if that makes sense. So anyway, it

585
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 5: was about twenty twenty, you know, in the middle of

586
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 5: lockdown and COVID. I was a student at university, and

587
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 5: I was, you know, very poor, Like my partner lost

588
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 5: her job because of COVID. She was working in retail,

589
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 5: and we didn't have a lot of money. We were

590
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 5: eating like on the like reduced labels in like the store.

591
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 5: Like everything we were reading was like about to expire

592
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 5: and stuff like that was very bleak, Like we were

593
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 5: totally running out of cash. And I used to live

594
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 5: actually I won't say that the city, but I used

595
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 5: to live in a different city's where I live now.

596
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 5: And someone in that city posted on the city subreddit

597
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 5: that they were looking for a skinny, young white man

598
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 5: to fart for them for money, And so I replied

599
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 5: to the reddit comments saying that I was game for

600
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 5: a bit of fighting because I thought, you know, I'm

601
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 5: willing to fart my way out of my situation, you know,

602
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 5: if I if I had to. And this isn't this

603
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 5: is not a bit I'm being I'm being so serious

604
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 5: that this that this happened. So I like I made

605
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 5: myself like an alternative Snapchat for this this purpose, like

606
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 5: I was gonna I was serious about The sender guy

607
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 5: added me, and and so I asked him like what

608
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 5: he wanted specifically because I wanted the money. I was

609
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 5: serious about it, you know, I wanted to see like

610
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 5: what he wanted to he told me. He told me

611
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 5: what he wanted and he basically he said that he

612
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 5: wanted me to fart and like comment on it as

613
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 5: well if I could. So what I did was I

614
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 5: filmed myself. I filmed myself fighting, and I did like,

615
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 5: oh that really stinks, like that's something really like I

616
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 5: don't know, like I commented until how bad it's now?

617
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 5: And then I actually did that twice. I filmed too,

618
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 5: and then I sent him the first one and I said,

619
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 5: this one's free, but if you were more, you're gonna

620
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 5: have to pay. I was serious. And then he stole

621
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 5: my part video. He never paid me, and then that

622
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 5: was it. And then I just have Now I just

623
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 5: have two videos with myself buying on my phone.

624
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: Wait, but did he but he didn't really steal it.

625
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: He didn't really steal it. You gave it, you said it,

626
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: you said the first one's free.

627
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 5: Well, because because I didn't really know, I've never done

628
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 5: something like this before, so I was very naive. I

629
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 5: was like twenty years old. I didn't really know. I

630
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 5: didn't really know what I was doing, so I thought, well,

631
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 5: I just want to show him that I've got the

632
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 5: goods and then if this is going to be like

633
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 5: a reoccurring arrangement, then then that was going to be happening.

634
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 3: When I was from a business perspective, I think you

635
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: did the right thing.

636
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, well this is the thing as well. And

637
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 5: in the conversations up to this, he had spoken about

638
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 5: doing this in person because he obviously he was local

639
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 5: to the or so he claims, he was local to

640
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 5: the city that I was living in. So in my mind,

641
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 5: I was thinking, like, this could be the start of

642
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 5: a beautiful business relationship and I could be you know,

643
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 5: fighting on this man form for vast amounts of money

644
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 5: and and you know, maybe one one day I won't

645
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 5: have to far on anyone. You know, That's what I

646
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 5: was thinking. But it didn't work out that way, and

647
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 5: you know, but I'm glad that it didn't, because I

648
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 5: think life is probably better now than if I had

649
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 5: built like some kind of fighting empire. But that that

650
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 5: was something that I was very serious about, and I

651
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 5: went to the point of, like, you know, degrading myself

652
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 5: and fighting on my phone, not not to say that

653
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 5: you know, I think, I don't know. Maybe I don't

654
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 5: really think that's sex work. Maybe it's sex I don't

655
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 5: I don't want to call myself a sex work and

656
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 5: I don't think less of people for being sex worky.

657
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 5: But obviously you know, but you know, it's it was

658
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 5: kind of crazy that I went through all that effort

659
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 5: to fart on my phone, that the ethical dynama, just

660
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 5: to get nothing, nothing from it? Do you know what

661
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 5: I mean?

662
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: Hmmm, is that something you would you would do today?

663
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: Like how much money would somebody have to offer you

664
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 3: for a fart video nowadays?

665
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 5: Well, that's that's a good question. Well what have you

666
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 5: ever considered? Like, I don't want to sip the question.

667
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 5: I think i'd need to address this. I think if

668
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 5: someone wanted me to send a video of me fighting,

669
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 5: I think I would do it for fifty pounds. I

670
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 5: think that's pretty fair of like a fifteen second video

671
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 5: of me fighting and coming on this now, Yeah.

672
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: I think i'd I mean, I've sent videos like that

673
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: in my like Facebook group chat of friends. I think

674
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: I sent a video of me farting in my on

675
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: the toilet and my Facebook group chat like a week ago,

676
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: and I did that for free.

677
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, but see that's okay, that's pretty normal, And I

678
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 5: think that maybe can I ask you another question, because

679
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 5: I think that's normal than mix friends, right, And this

680
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 5: is another thing. You know, I kind of prefaced this

681
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 5: thing as well by saying that, like my girlfriend she

682
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 5: really disapproves of this, this whole story and this whole scenario.

683
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 5: But I she also doesn't like it when I send

684
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 5: my friends like pictures of my nutsacks and stuff like that.

685
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 5: Do you ever do that?

686
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: Not as much anymore, but like I've seen I sent.

687
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 3: I what I'll do is like I have a it like, Okay,

688
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: so we have a main group chat there's like nine people,

689
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 3: and then we have a little breakout group chat where.

690
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 2: There's a little bit less people.

691
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 3: And in that one, I've sent a video of me

692
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: like screaming with my like ass out, but then I

693
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: usually I'll delete it afterwards, okay, all right? Yeah, Or

694
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 3: like we'll send like pictures of each other, or like

695
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 3: we'll like I'll send like a like my friend, we'll

696
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: send like pictures of like the our toilets and stuff

697
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: in the smaller group chat. That stuff it wouldn't play

698
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: in the larger group chat, but it sometimes plays in

699
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: the smaller one. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I think when I

700
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 3: was younger, I would send more like, oh, like a

701
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 3: picture of my nuts, like in the Facebook group chat,

702
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 3: but not not so much anymore.

703
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 5: No, perhaps that's the learning curve. We're wrong, but yeah,

704
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 5: definitely now that now that maybe now that I'm older? Then,

705
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 5: So do you think that I should leave the fighting

706
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 5: face behind and I should not tell people about it?

707
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 4: Is it?

708
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 5: Is it wrong that I or it should I experience

709
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 5: shame for that? Or I don't know? Like what do you.

710
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: Should you experience shame for I don't. I don't think

711
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: you should experience shame for it, But I don't what

712
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 3: do you mean by leave it behind?

713
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 5: Well, like with my girlfriend, she tells me about like

714
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 5: I shouldn't. I shouldn't tell people about that. It's like embarrassing,

715
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 5: But I don't know.

716
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 3: I don't think you should. I mean, do you want it?

717
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 3: I don't think you should not tell? Well, do you

718
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: want to tell people about it?

719
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: Does it? Is it funny to you? Is it?

720
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 4: Like?

721
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 5: Well, it's funny to me, but it's you know. I

722
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 5: obviously I can't see you right now, so I don't

723
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 5: know what your reaction was when I started talking about no.

724
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 3: I think I also think it's funny. It's objectively funny.

725
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 3: It's very funny for sure.

726
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 5: Oh, okay, And I think I mean, you probably spoke

727
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 5: to a lot of people. I mean, you've probably spoken

728
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 5: to people who, like you fought on cakes and stuff like, right,

729
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 5: And I think it's the fighting just and coming on.

730
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 5: It's not that's not even the worst thing that you've

731
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 5: heard so so. But but I don't know, maybe maybe

732
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 5: you're like, maybe you're biased towards the fighting.

733
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, uh, maybe, yeah, maybe, but like I

734
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: don't know, it's what Yeah, I think you don't really

735
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: have anything to be ashamed of to like feel like

736
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: you have to hide.

737
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, okay. Is that Is there anything else that

738
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 5: you want to talk about or ask me about? And

739
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 5: I'll talk about anything that you love anything.

740
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 3: You sound like you have a thing, and I'm gonna

741
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 3: and I don't. I have I have no further questions

742
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: for you. But if you have further things that you

743
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 3: want to talk about, you can you can.

744
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 5: Well there was nothing as such, but you know, just

745
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 5: in general, I guess I would say that I feel

746
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 5: like I put for a living, I also interview people

747
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 5: in a similar way that well, not in a similar

748
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 5: way that you interview people, but I often because I'm

749
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 5: also I'm twenty six years old, so I think I'm

750
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 5: a year younger than you. So I think a lot

751
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 5: of the time when I'm listening to you and I'm

752
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 5: like listening and watching the show, and I watched the

753
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 5: live quite often as well, I kind of I can

754
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 5: I think that from the perspective of someone who interviews

755
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 5: people for a living, that I kind of I sometimes

756
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 5: feel like I can think your thoughts. When I'm watching

757
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 5: the stream and I'm like watching you interview people, I

758
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 5: feel like the next question is that you ask. I

759
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 5: also I anticipate that you're going to ask them, So

760
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 5: sometimes I feel like I'm in your head a little bit.

761
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 5: But so I don't know whether but I don't know,

762
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 5: I don't know whether you would find it interesting to

763
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 5: talk about what I do for a living, who I

764
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 5: interview and when I interview them, or whether that's a conversation.

765
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: You want to go down or not.

766
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I was, I was a little I was

767
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: a little curious, Yeah, who do you what do you

768
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 3: do to interview people?

769
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 5: Well, so so for the last like five years or so,

770
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 5: I've been like a fraud investigator. So I used to

771
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 5: be a benefits buster for the government in the UK.

772
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 5: So so after all of the flying went away and

773
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 5: I wasn't poor anymore, the first job that I got

774
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 5: after the flying, I became like a government it was

775
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 5: it's called the job center in the UK. Do you know,

776
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 5: like welfare and stuff that you have in the US. Sure,

777
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 5: it's like that, but like.

778
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:32,479
Speaker 4: In the UK.

779
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 5: So what I had to do for a while is

780
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 5: like help people find work. And then I did that

781
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 5: for like about a year, and then I got transferred

782
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 5: to be like a fraud investigator, and then it was

783
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 5: like my job to like investigate people who were like

784
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 5: stealing a lot of government money. And then the whole

785
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 5: my job, a part of that whole investigation was to

786
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 5: interview them and grill them about it and get them

787
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 5: to confess to like stealing you know, thousands and thousands

788
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 5: of pounds of people's money. So that was my job

789
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 5: for a while. And then now I do like visa interviews,

790
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 5: so like it's my job to decide whether someone's like

791
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 5: coming to this to the UK. It's like a genuine

792
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 5: person or not, and they like, Mostly I do like

793
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 5: student visa interviews and stuff like that. So mostly it's

794
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 5: about like interviewing people to work out whether they're like

795
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 5: genuinely coming here to study or whether they have like

796
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 5: some ulterior motives to come to the country and stuff

797
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 5: like that. So yeah, that's what I do at the moment.

798
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 5: But I also I study like full time as well,

799
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 5: so I'm doing like a full time master's degree as

800
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 5: well at the moment. So that's my tea. I don't

801
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 5: know if you have any questions about my tea, Lile,

802
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 5: or the interviewing or anything like that, I don't know.

803
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll ask one question, what's the number one what's

804
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: the number one flag for you that makes you deny

805
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 3: someone's visa?

806
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: Oh? Oh, that's well.

807
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 5: I think the thing is like if I think they're

808
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 5: lying to me, So if so, a lot of the

809
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 5: questions when I ask people, and I think this is

810
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 5: again is like why sometimes I relate to you when

811
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 5: I when I listen to the podcast and stuff, is

812
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 5: because I think when I'm questioning people in interviews when

813
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 5: it was fraud as well, like when I was like

814
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 5: not immigration stuff, when it was financial stuff, you want

815
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 5: to try and ask people about their motivations for like

816
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 5: whatever they do, and because you can't really if you

817
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 5: when you live your life, you live your life hopefully

818
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 5: with your doing the things that you are intentionally doing,

819
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 5: and so you have some kind of motivation for stealing

820
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 5: money or faking of EASA or whatever. So if I'm

821
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 5: asking you questions about like, for example, if you're coming

822
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 5: to my country to study a course, if I'm asking you,

823
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 5: like what you're most excited to specifically study on that

824
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 5: that course that you're applying for, then like, if you're

825
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 5: really genuinely excited about that, you would be able to

826
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 5: express that to some extent in like an interview and

827
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 5: you would have something that you've been wanting to learn

828
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 5: more about or something like that. So yeah, it's really

829
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 5: for me anyway. It's about like asking people about around

830
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 5: their like motivation. And if I think that I'm listening

831
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 5: to you and your motivation is really poor, and I

832
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 5: don't think that I believe that what you're saying makes

833
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 5: any sense, and I will then I will fail you

834
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 5: and I will not give you a visa to come

835
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 5: to the UK. But there are there are there are

836
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 5: specific things as well, some people. I sometimes I catch

837
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 5: people in lines very often, which is like then then

838
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 5: it's e gps to pet someone's for that. So well, yeah,

839
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 5: I don't know. Did I answer your question?

840
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: I did answer my question.

841
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, the answered my question about your ability to perceive

842
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 3: whether or not somebody is lying to you.

843
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 5: Okay, And do you think that you have that ability

844
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 5: as well?

845
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: No, I'm pretty good at uh.

846
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know good at but I I

847
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: I tend to take folks at face value. I tend

848
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: to not think about or press upon whether or not

849
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 3: somebody is lying to me, because it usually is irrelevant

850
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 3: for me whether or not somebody is lying. And in

851
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 3: both this both both both on this show and in

852
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 3: my real life.

853
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 5: And in your real life, so you never really questioned

854
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 5: whether someone's sending you the truth or not not.

855
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: Really. No, I don't have really much of an incentive

856
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: to in most cases.

857
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: Hmm.

858
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 7: Okay, Okay, that's interesting unless if something, I mean unless,

859
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 7: unless if someone unless if somebody tells me something that's

860
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 7: like blatantly unbelievable, like if someone's like, oh I less,

861
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 7: if someone's like, you know, I have a like I

862
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 7: have a pet.

863
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 3: Unicorn or something like that that I'm inclined to believe

864
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 3: that they're lying. But if if they're like, oh, I'm

865
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: coming to the UK to visit my grandmother, it's like,

866
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: I'm not going to press whether or not they're lying

867
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: about that.

868
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 5: Oh okay, okay, I see. Well, I think that's quite good.

869
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 5: I think I tried to do the same in my

870
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 5: personal I think I take people that face value as well.

871
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't know. Do you think of that

872
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 5: that what I said was unfair about the visa thing.

873
00:42:58,800 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 5: I'm taking people at face.

874
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: I don't think it was.

875
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: I don't.

876
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: I don't think it was inherently unfair. I mean, I

877
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't. I don't.

878
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: I don't have a real I don't I this. The

879
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: interviews I do on this show are far less real

880
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 3: than the interviews that you do for visas. You know,

881
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: I don't really. I guess that you have more of

882
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: an incentive to try to determine whether or not somebody

883
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 3: is lying than I do, because if somebody is lying,

884
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: it's like I never know, And also it's relatively harmless,

885
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 3: you know.

886
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: I feel like it's different. I think it's different for

887
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: for each of us. Hey, Alex, Hey, what's up? Is

888
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:39,959
Speaker 2: there anything else you want to say to the people

889
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 2: of the computer before we go?

890
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 5: No, I love you, I love everyone. And this this

891
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 5: is going to be the last time. I think we

892
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 5: told live.

893
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 3: I think I think, oh, no, that makes me kind

894
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 3: of sad. Now the way you said that, that makes

895
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 3: me sad.

896
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 5: But you know, at the start of this conversation we

897
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 5: had the whole bit about whether we were whether it

898
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 5: was okay or not. But and I feel like, yeah,

899
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 5: I feel like I exhausted this, this conversation. I don't

900
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 5: know if I was to call you again, whether whether

901
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 5: we would be able to milk anything out I did.

902
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 5: I did my whole bartit.

903
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, we Well, I don't know.

904
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 3: Maybe if I if I come back to the if

905
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 3: I come back to the UK, maybe I'll see you.

906
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 5: Okay. And when was the when I just as a

907
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 5: time frame, when when did the Vice doorcumentary come out?

908
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 5: Do you remember?

909
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

910
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 2: It was January of twenty twenty four.

911
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 5: So yeah, so that was like a year and a

912
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 5: half ago. Okay, Well, I might call you in a

913
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 5: year and a half time and I have something more

914
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 5: interesting to say.

915
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: I give you formal permission to call me again in

916
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: a year and a half.

917
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, that sounds good. All right, keep it real eye,

918
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 5: I'm going to go bye bye by Alex.

919
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: Take care. Hello.

920
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 4: Hello, can you hear me?

921
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: Yeah? I can.

922
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 2: What's your name?

923
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: Man?

924
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:54,479
Speaker 4: My name is Will?

925
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: What's up?

926
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: Will?

927
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: How you doing?

928
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 4: You know? I'm hanging in there, dude. It's been a day.

929
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 4: It's been a life fun a year. But we're still standing.

930
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: I like that.

931
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: I like that. What would you want to talk about today? Man?

932
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 4: Yeah? Man, I guess.

933
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: So.

934
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 4: I'm like in a phase where I'm building a photography

935
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 4: business right now, and I quit a full time job

936
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 4: that I was doing that was making like CBD and

937
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 4: HEMP coummies for like a year and a half, and

938
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 4: now I'm just trying to build this up. And I'm

939
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 4: in the space of like a little bit of a

940
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 4: purgatory with it, you know, trying to get business, trying

941
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 4: to balance out of social life, trying to do all

942
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 4: that stuff, and it gets overwhelming, you know.

943
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, definitely tell me more if you if you want.

944
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 4: To, Yeah, for sure. So I do like the photography

945
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 4: business I'm doing. I'm a wedding photographer. I was like

946
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 4: worked is one for since like twenty seventeen, so eight years.

947
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 4: Worked for a company for a while doing like a

948
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 4: lot of contract work, left working weddings for other people,

949
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 4: and started my own business doing it. So it's like

950
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 4: this weird balance of like actually trying to get people

951
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 4: to hire me because I've done like two hundred and

952
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 4: fifty plus weddings. But this whole thing is like starting

953
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 4: a business and having to be your own like advertising

954
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 4: and like client outreach and like all this other stuff.

955
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 4: It's not something they really tell you in college that

956
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: you're going to have to do, especially in this whole

957
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 4: land of social media and everything. So yeah, I don't know.

958
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 4: I'm a little bit nervous because I've been trying to

959
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 4: call you for so long that I've seen you live

960
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 4: like three times, I think, and I'm just actually extremely

961
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 4: surprised I actually got through here. This is like the

962
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 4: most wild thing for me.

963
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: So where did you? Where did you see the live shows?

964
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 4: The first one I saw was at Lincoln Lodge in Chicago.

965
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 2: Cool.

966
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 4: I think that was twenty twenty two. He actually interviewed

967
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 4: a friend of mine and he kept talking about excidential dread,

968
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 4: and you were like, I can't help you with that.

969
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 4: We should talk about something else, but all he could

970
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 4: talk about was existential dread and it was a very

971
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 4: funny moment. And then I saw you twice in Milwaukee.

972
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 4: Once at the back Room, which is like the smaller ones.

973
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 4: You had a hold David Kruber chant that went on,

974
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 4: and then won at Turner Hall last year. So all

975
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 4: been amazing, man, I appreciate you coming in.

976
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 3: Oh thanks man. Yeah, I've been thinking. I've been reminiscing

977
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: about those shows recently. I'd like to go out again.

978
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: I just don't.

979
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: I don't know when I'm going to do it or what.

980
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: But tell me more about the photography land.

981
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean I've been doing photography since I

982
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 4: was fifteen, Like I bought my first camera from a

983
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 4: friend then and then it kind of just built up

984
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 4: from there, a bunch of senior photos and stuff when

985
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 4: I was in high school. I shot my first wedding

986
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 4: when I was seventeen actually, and then kind of went

987
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 4: off to school. Was like, Okay, I'm not going to

988
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 4: get a job in photography. It's like way too astronomical,

989
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 4: and so I switched my major to graphic design and

990
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 4: then I graduated with a major in graphic design, and

991
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 4: then I've gotten like fired from all of my graphic

992
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 4: design jobs, and then all of the photography jobs and

993
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 4: gigs like that are the ones that actually stuck around.

994
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 4: So it's just the way I learned to kind of

995
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 4: like see people, and like I think, working a lot

996
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 4: of events and like concerts or corporate events or weddings

997
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 4: or whatever it may be, like music festivals too, it

998
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 4: like teaches you like a sense of empathy, and like

999
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 4: I think it shows you like a better way of

1000
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 4: seeing people outside of this like self consciousness that I

1001
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 4: think a lot of us feel on like social media

1002
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 4: and everything like that like very rewarding. They have someone

1003
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 4: who's like, I'm awkward in photos and then you take

1004
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 4: like a nice picture of it and they look at

1005
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 4: it and they're like I like that, and you're like, yeah,

1006
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 4: you look great. You know. I think we're all living

1007
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 4: this wildly like extremely and too self conscious of a world,

1008
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 4: you know, based around all of that. So trying to

1009
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 4: find a way to like break through that noise to people, you.

1010
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 3: Know, tell me more about how it's given you more empathy.

1011
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 4: I think, like I think I've always been like an

1012
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 4: empathetic person. But I think just working in this space

1013
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 4: and like being around so many different kinds of people,

1014
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 4: whether you know, whatever the event may be, it just

1015
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 4: allows at least me to like kind of get in

1016
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 4: and like be a little bit more of a fly

1017
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 4: on the wall. And I think it like, I don't know,

1018
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 4: it's like a built in icebreaker, and so it cuts

1019
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 4: through a lot of small talk, which is like kind

1020
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 4: of what drew me to it, and I think people

1021
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 4: end up being a little bit more authentic to themselves

1022
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 4: and therefore, like I have a better view on other people,

1023
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 4: like regardless of whatever their views are or anything like that. Yeah,

1024
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's a little bit more abstract in

1025
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 4: some ways. I think it's just like a built thing

1026
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 4: that it's continued to throw in throughout my years doing it.

1027
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: Why would you ever see yourself doing anything else?

1028
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 4: I've thought about that a lot. Actually. I think there's

1029
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 4: like another life where I would have gone into like

1030
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 4: psychology or you know, something like that, because I feel

1031
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 4: like I can read people well enough in some regards.

1032
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 4: But there's also it's it's just not something that like

1033
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 4: I want to go back to school for or anything.

1034
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 4: You know. It's like I did my time with that.

1035
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean outside of it, I think just

1036
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 4: like anything people oriented would be something where like a

1037
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 4: lot of that lies. I don't know, it's a hard question.

1038
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I also I also enjoy things that are people

1039
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 3: oriented for sure.

1040
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 4: Like you were talking about on the stream earlier, you

1041
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 4: were like, I like being in a city because it

1042
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 4: keeps my brain busy and like you know, yeah, me

1043
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 4: kind of involved. And I feel the same way like

1044
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 4: I live in Milwaukee, but like spending time in Chicago

1045
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 4: or New York or like anywhere else where, there's just

1046
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 4: like a ton of people out all the time. It's

1047
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 4: just like a there's an energy to it, you know, It's.

1048
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 2: True, it's very energizing. It makes you feel young, that

1049
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: makes you feel good. Yeah, I love. I love living

1050
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: in a city. I don't think I could ever live

1051
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: in like a suburb or live in a far off place.

1052
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: No, I agree.

1053
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 4: I think that's the other things like why with like

1054
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 4: photography and like working events, why I feel like really

1055
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 4: comfortable in that space because it is just like so

1056
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 4: many people and so many different things happening, and like

1057
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 4: I'm not somebody that's like standing out. I'm there to

1058
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 4: just like witness it and be a part of it.

1059
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 4: You know, there's not anything where like a focus is

1060
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 4: on me or anything like that, but you can still

1061
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 4: be a part of something with a bunch of other people.

1062
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 4: So I think that's like, you know, at the core

1063
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 4: of it.

1064
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 2: Well, let's see what is there. Do you have a

1065
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: dream photography gig of some kind?

1066
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 4: I don't know, man. I feel like, you know, running,

1067
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 4: like doing events and stuff like that is definitely really

1068
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 4: fun and like where a lot of the passion lies.

1069
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 4: Like whether it's like it'd probably be like concerts and

1070
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 4: music festivals overall, especially festivals, and like just capturing festival

1071
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 4: life and just like people hanging out with each other

1072
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 4: and enjoying themselves, you know, being absolute weirdos. Like you know,

1073
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 4: you've got a chance to go and like interview people

1074
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 4: at Bonnarou and that's those are some crazy conversations. And

1075
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 4: I think it's like the same thing on a photography

1076
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 4: side of that too, where it's just like people outside

1077
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 4: of their everyday environment just running around and doing them

1078
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 4: and like not trying to be necessarily you know, a

1079
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 4: corporate entity or you know, anything that they're not, so

1080
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 4: just capturing people in environments that like they feel comfortable in,

1081
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 4: I think is what I would really like to do,

1082
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 4: whether it's portraiture, events, base or anything like that.

1083
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: Just people, you know, so do what are you the

1084
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 2: most stressed out about? Now?

1085
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just like living in today's society. I

1086
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 4: think there is you know, like a fair amount of

1087
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 4: existential dread that comes along with being alive right now.

1088
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 4: Not to get into any of that, you know, because

1089
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 4: that's just life, but yeah, I think it's just like

1090
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 4: money's always a worry and then just like just being like, oh,

1091
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 4: like you know, did I make the right decision? Or

1092
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 4: like am I doing the right thing? And then I

1093
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 4: always think about it and I'm just like I think

1094
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 4: I did, because like nothing else really makes me feel

1095
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 4: the way that you know, photography does, right, Like I

1096
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 4: can do a lot of other stuff, but if I'm

1097
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 4: not doing it, Like during the pandemic, when all the

1098
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 4: gigs kind of shut down and I wasn't like working

1099
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,959
Speaker 4: photo stuff as much, there was like such a heavy

1100
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 4: part of me that was just gone, like you know, missing,

1101
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 4: and so like being able to come out of that

1102
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 4: and still work and like find those gigs again has

1103
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 4: been obviously very fulfilling. But yeah, I think the worry

1104
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 4: is just like you know, what if it fails, right,

1105
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 4: like just to be like super vulnerable with it. I

1106
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 4: think it's just you know, you'll never know that you

1107
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 4: made the right decision until the right things start happening,

1108
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 4: I think, and I think that sometimes it takes a

1109
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 4: long time to get to that point of like figuring

1110
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 4: out what the right things are.

1111
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 2: If that make sense, Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

1112
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that there is definitely a lot of.

1113
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 2: Joy to be had.

1114
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 3: And simply trying, Oh yeah, you know, definitely a lot

1115
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: of joy to be had and simply trying.

1116
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: What if it doesn't work out? I don't know. I

1117
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: don't fucking know, man, what do you what have you

1118
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: been feeling existential about?

1119
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 4: I think it's like I don't know if it's like

1120
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 4: like I've always had that existential stuff of just like

1121
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 4: trying to figure out, you know, like get a grasp

1122
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 4: on the world. I think, you know, ever since you

1123
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 4: get like cursed with self awareness at a young age,

1124
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 4: and it's like, I don't know if it's necessarily as

1125
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 4: much like existential as it is just like overwhelmed of

1126
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 4: like trying to do so much, and then there's also

1127
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 4: so much happening in the world, you know, without diving

1128
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 4: into any political stuff or anything like that, it's just

1129
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 4: like the world's pretty chaotic right now. And then if

1130
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 4: you're trying to like get your shit together or you know,

1131
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 4: start something new or like build on something, I feel

1132
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 4: like those things that you're trying to do can like

1133
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 4: be made to feel very small in the grand scheme

1134
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 4: of things.

1135
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: You know.

1136
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe that's where the existentialism like lies, where it's

1137
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 4: like not necessarily where I feel like I'm not doing

1138
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 4: something that matters to me, but yeah, just trying to

1139
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 4: feel like, okay, like in the grand scheme of things,

1140
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 4: does this make an impact or a difference or like

1141
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 4: whatever it may be?

1142
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean that's that's trying to be like

1143
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 3: beyond your mortal capacity. How do you mean like you're

1144
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 3: you're trying to You're like, oh, does anything I do

1145
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 3: matter in the grand scheme of things? And it's like,

1146
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 3: well no, but do you You can't. No, no mortal

1147
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,439
Speaker 3: can ever do anything that matters in the grand scheme

1148
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 3: of themes, not even if you're I mean, you can

1149
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 3: get you can get pretty close. I mean you can

1150
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 3: write like I'm like, I don't know, Like, look at

1151
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 3: Mark Zuckerberg, right, he completely utterly changed the day to

1152
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 3: day life of all human beings on earth. Yeah, in

1153
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 3: the grand scheme of like how you can zoom out

1154
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 3: far enough that that doesn't even fucking matter, you know,

1155
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: So it's like, yeah, sure you can. You can take

1156
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 3: whatever vantage point upon your life and your work as

1157
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: you want. You're eventually gonna find one where it doesn't matter.

1158
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 3: And if you're going to zoom in far enough to

1159
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 3: just the one person you are the universe and it

1160
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 3: matters to you, so then it matters, you know. It's

1161
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 3: like it's whatever vantage point you want to pick.

1162
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: True.

1163
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 4: No, that's a good that's a good thing. I think.

1164
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, it's very easy to get lost in

1165
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 4: the existentialism or like that the whole topic of meaning,

1166
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 4: when in reality, it's like, you know, I can get

1167
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 4: an email from someone that I did their wedding or

1168
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 4: like whatever it may be, or like a band hits

1169
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 4: me up after doing their photos like these are great,

1170
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, and it's just like yeah, and it's

1171
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 4: just something that like, yeah, finding the touch points that

1172
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 4: are our grounding points in an overtly digital world. I

1173
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 4: think as a perspective that can be hard to look into.

1174
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 3: I mean, just one person being, you know, fucking with you,

1175
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: is is good?

1176
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: Is all you need?

1177
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 3: If just one person tells you that your work was

1178
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 3: impactful to them, that's that's enough.

1179
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 4: I think I would I would agree with that. I

1180
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 4: think that's also it's like, you know, it's I don't

1181
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 4: know if it's also like this is also something that

1182
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,479
Speaker 4: you are you know, I feel like it is something

1183
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 4: that you have expressed, that you've dealt with in terms

1184
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 4: of like that existential realm. But I don't know if

1185
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 4: it's just like the over use social media and like

1186
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 4: playing that comparison game and like just getting lost in

1187
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 4: the scroll, you know, and then not having to focus

1188
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 4: to like put on the right things, like still getting

1189
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 4: all the stuff done right, but like, yeah, like it

1190
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 4: not necessarily searching for the meaning. It's just like looking

1191
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 4: for the stuff that is actually there that does mean

1192
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 4: something that you overlook when you're like, yeah, way too

1193
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 4: high above it.

1194
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm hm.

1195
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 4: So I think there's a good point. I think I

1196
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 4: think you've you've you've helped me figure out the I

1197
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 4: don't know, it's like a It's a scattered time to

1198
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 4: be alive, and my brain is very scattered about all

1199
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 4: of it. But yeah, it all comes down to the

1200
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 4: grounding points, right, friend's family, doing what you like to do,

1201
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 4: connecting with people, not letting silly things get in the way,

1202
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 4: being nice, you know.

1203
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 2: So, I don't know, man, what's your name against sir?

1204
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: It's will Will?

1205
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 2: How many times have I asked you that over the

1206
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 2: course of our conversation.

1207
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 4: I think only one. I guess that would be the

1208
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 4: second time.

1209
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 2: Will I will? Will? I? I uh will? I've hit

1210
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 2: my quota today for existentialism.

1211
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 3: So any any any furtherance of this conversation I will

1212
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 3: be useless in so I'll I'll end it before we

1213
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: get to that point.

1214
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 4: Anything else you want to appreciate you taking that time?

1215
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, Man, Is there anything else you want

1216
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 3: to say to the people of the computer before we go?

1217
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, you could hire me to shoot your wedding.

1218
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 3: By the time I get married, I'll probably have forgotten

1219
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 3: about this.

1220
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 4: Well, that's all good.

1221
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 3: Oh wait, Sorr, are you talking about me specifically or

1222
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 3: you talking about whoever's listening.

1223
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 4: Oh? I was talking to the people of the computer,

1224
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 4: but I mean obviously if.

1225
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 3: Sorry, I forgot, I forgot, I forgot that that was

1226
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 3: I forgot that that was the question that I asked you.

1227
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 4: Yeah no, but if you if you want to, you can.

1228
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 4: You can give me a shout at Candid Hughes h

1229
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 4: U E. S Dot Photo on Instagram. I'm always available

1230
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 4: and looking to work with cool people. So if you're

1231
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 4: looking to work with a fun photographer who makes you

1232
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 4: that easy, give.

1233
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 2: Me up beautiful, take care well, thank you.

1234
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: Yeah you as well?

1235
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 4: Shout out asle bye.

1236
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: What's up?

1237
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 4: Man?

1238
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: Hey?

1239
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: How's it going do? What's your name?

1240
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 6: Ken? Like this from the eminem album I'm gonna go

1241
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 6: with that.

1242
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with that, but that sounds cool. What's up?

1243
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 4: Ken?

1244
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: Has life? Dude.

1245
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 6: I got fired on Friday, those thirteenth this month, and

1246
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 6: I've just been chilling. It's been amazing. I hated that job,

1247
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 6: so it was like the best thing ever happened. And

1248
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 6: now I'm just trying to figure out what i want

1249
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 6: to do after that. I don't know, trying to scheme

1250
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 6: on the internet and try to figure out what to

1251
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 6: do next. It sucks, but it's also been amazing.

1252
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 2: I'm so happy, all all right, Well, let's start with

1253
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 2: why it sucks. Why does it suck?

1254
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 6: Oh, it's like, oh man, it's like just the endless

1255
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 6: possibilities of what you could do or what you could

1256
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 6: do next, you know, and like, man, I have no

1257
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 6: clue what I want to do next, which is both

1258
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 6: like so scary but also so amazing because like I

1259
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 6: can go anywhere from here. But yeah, no, Like, as

1260
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 6: an impulsive decision, I decided to just say fucking go

1261
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 6: to Japan. So I got like a three week solo

1262
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 6: trip coming up in about a month, uh and hopefully,

1263
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 6: hopefully this month I could try to figure out what

1264
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 6: I want to do with like a job and all that,

1265
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 6: but then just again, chill out in Japan, have a

1266
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 6: great time, and then go from there.

1267
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, I mean, Japan's fucking wonderful. Man,

1268
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 3: what are you applying for?

1269
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 6: So I got a mechanical engineering bachelor's degree, but dude,

1270
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 6: I have no clue if I even want to do

1271
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 6: anything about that. Yeah. No, I haven't even been applying

1272
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 6: because I'm trying to figure out what exactly I want

1273
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 6: to do. So I've been talking to random people what

1274
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 6: their jobs are, like, try to see if that's something

1275
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 6: I want to do. Maybe uh, do like data science

1276
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 6: or acture. You're out. I don't fucking know, dude, anything

1277
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 6: anything that's not stressful. Because this last job paid really well,

1278
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 6: but it was so stressful, wasn't even worth it. I

1279
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 6: would rather make like half the money that I made

1280
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 6: back then and just killed the fuck out, you know,

1281
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 6: so trying to find something like that. It don't even

1282
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 6: have to be engineering, man, it could be like like

1283
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 6: that that one person that was selling ice cream out

1284
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 6: of an ice cream truck. And when I heard that shit,

1285
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 6: I was like, ooh, I'd be down to do that.

1286
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 6: I would love that as long as it pays for

1287
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 6: what I want to do.

1288
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 4: I guess.

1289
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know.

1290
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 3: You kind of remind me of the last caller who

1291
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 3: was talking about how he yeah, you know, the guy

1292
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 3: in the van who was talking about how he wants

1293
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 3: to just just like take a lower paying job for

1294
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 3: the more for less stress.

1295
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 5: You know.

1296
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 2: I respect.

1297
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, you could, dude, you could just

1298
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 3: like fucking if you wanted to just be a barista

1299
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 3: and hang out.

1300
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 6: True true as you but yeah, okay, okay. The only

1301
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 6: downside is like at some point I do want to

1302
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 6: settle down and like have family and all that and

1303
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 6: have enough money to buy a house. So you I

1304
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 6: always got that in the back of my head, like,

1305
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 6: oh shit, I gotta work on my career so then

1306
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 6: I have enough money to do all this shit in

1307
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 6: the future. But also like I'm I'm about to be

1308
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 6: twenty seven, I'm still decently young. I could still you know,

1309
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 6: I I you know, I could still fuck around a

1310
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 6: little bit, do some do some random side quests, and

1311
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 6: then figure that shit out later. Well, I don't know.

1312
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 6: It almost feels like a form of procrastination, you know.

1313
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 6: It's just, dude, there's just again, there's so many choices,

1314
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 6: so many annavenus I can go down, and it's just

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Speaker 6: trying to make sure I pick the right one, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, it's a difficult balance. It's a difficult balance.

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Speaker 3: I mean, i'd be lying to you if I I

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Speaker 3: this is the part I don't have good advice because

1319
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 3: I just got lucky.

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Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, but uh, it's a difficult balance. I mean,

1321
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't.

1322
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 6: Think I felt like I got lucky with the last job.

1323
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 6: Even though I hated it, it paid me so much

1324
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 6: money that I was able to save up, so now

1325
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 6: I have like a good pushion. So like, in a sense,

1326
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 6: I was I was pretty lucky that they found me

1327
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 6: on LinkedIn and they're like, hey, do you want a job,

1328
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 6: And I'm like, you're gonna pay me double what I

1329
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 6: make right now? I mean, hell yeah. I didn't ask

1330
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 6: any questions.

1331
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: So it's like fuck it.

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Speaker 6: So like, yeah, in a sense, I was kind of

1333
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Speaker 6: lucky too, But I don't know, I don't know it's

1334
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Speaker 6: part of but no, no, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna ask a part of town you

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01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: live in.

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Speaker 6: I am in the suburbs of Chicago, and I really

1338
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 6: want to live in the city because I've been just

1339
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 6: staying with my parents and saving up money, which has

1340
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 6: been great. I don't regret it, but I kind of

1341
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 6: want to go out there and and be and be

1342
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 6: out there in the world and and just experience not

1343
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 6: living with my parents. You know, I'm ready for that.

1344
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

1345
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 6: Having the income to do that is my first goal.

1346
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 6: And you try, I don't hate my job.

1347
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 3: Can you live with like, can you live with like

1348
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:23,439
Speaker 3: six other dudes and pay like like five hundred dollars rent?

1349
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 6: Dude? Okay, yeah. Yeah, Yeah, So before I got fired,

1350
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 6: I wasn't going to move in with my one buddy

1351
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 6: and the rent would have been like eight hundred bucks

1352
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 6: because Chicago isn't that bad. Now. I'm not against living

1353
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 6: with like six other people. Uh, I just worry that

1354
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 6: someone's not gonna like each other and some shit's gonna happen. Uh.

1355
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 6: But if everyone's chill, I would fucking love that. I

1356
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 6: am all for like minimizing my costs so that I

1357
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 6: can make very little money and then low stress jobs

1358
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 6: and still like enjoy life and go out and do shit.

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01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: That seems to be the theme of That seems to

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01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 3: be the theme of today's episode. That seems to be

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01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 3: the theme of today's episode. Yeah, I mean I respect that.

1363
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 3: I think that, Uh, there's something to be said about that, especially.

1364
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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 3: It's a hard balancing act because you're aware of the

1366
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 3: fact that I think I think it's a hard balancing

1367
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 3: I think it's a balancing act that our generation in particular,

1368
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 3: is like trying to figure out, right, because the economy

1369
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 3: is all like fucking crazy and we're all like I

1370
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 3: think I feel like our generation is the most woke

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01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 3: to the fact that time is finite. You know, maybe

1372
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 3: that's maybe that's wrong, Maybe maybe they figure that shit

1373
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 3: out back in the you know, one thousands or whatever.

1374
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 3: But I feel like, I feel like our generation is

1375
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 3: pretty woke to the fact that time is finite. And

1376
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 3: you know, it used to be like, all right, you're

1377
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 3: gonna work for forty years and then at the very

1378
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 3: end you retire, and but it's like, well, now that's

1379
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 3: just guaranteed.

1380
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Speaker 2: You know, It's like, how do I It's like, how

1381
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 2: do I. How do I.

1382
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 3: Balance living my life for today but also saving money

1383
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 3: so that, you know, if I do want to like

1384
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 3: live the quote unquote American dreams fucking have a house

1385
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 3: and afford you know, a family and all that shit.

1386
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tough balancing act. Dude. It's a tough

1387
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 2: balancing act.

1388
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 6: Yeah. I think it also depends on who you talk to.

1389
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 6: Because I was telling my dad my parents were never

1390
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 6: good with money. But I was telling my dad like,

1391
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 6: I'm saving up for retirement. He's looking he looks at

1392
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 6: me crazy, like you're too young to save up for retirement.

1393
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 6: And I was like, dude, no, like the earlier you start,

1394
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 6: the better, And I tried to explain, like compound interests

1395
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 6: and all that stuff, and he just he just kind

1396
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 6: of waved his hand. But yeah, no, I feel like

1397
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 6: it definitely depends person to person. Maybe maybe earlier generations

1398
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 6: were just like fuck it, I'm gonna live day by

1399
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 6: day and see what happens. I don't know. Now, I'm

1400
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 6: just kind of talking out of just like personal experiences,

1401
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 6: but yeah, maybe we are. This generation is a lot

1402
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 6: more like oh my future, but not not just like

1403
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 6: making a bunch of money and then retiring early, but

1404
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 6: also like making sure you're also enjoying what's going on now.

1405
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1406
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 6: Anyways, well, I'm just most excited for my Japan trip.

1407
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 6: That's been my way of not thinking about it too much.

1408
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 2: Are you going by yourself?

1409
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, dude, Okay, so I'm definitely doing Mount Fuji. There's

1410
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 6: like a random Japanese rock band I want to go see,

1411
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 6: so I gotta get tickets for that too. And then

1412
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 6: I'm just I've just been asking everybody like, where the

1413
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:38,799
Speaker 6: hell should I go. I have no like concrete plans

1414
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 6: because I would hate to just like be in this

1415
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 6: city for two days and then I have to go

1416
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 6: over to this city for three days. I kind of

1417
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 6: just want to land there and see what the hell happens,

1418
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 6: see what I like most. Yeah, yeah, but that's gonna

1419
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:53,560
Speaker 6: be fucking dope.

1420
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 2: Which cities are you going to?

1421
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 6: Or do you?

1422
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 1: Are? You?

1423
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 4: Are?

1424
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: You? Just?

1425
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 2: Are you just free bawing it?

1426
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 6: So I'm flying into Tokyo at like one am. I

1427
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 6: figured that out after I bought the ticket, and I'm like,

1428
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 6: oh shit, I'm probably have to sleep in the Internet

1429
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 6: cafe the first day, but that's fine. And then Mount Fuji, Okay,

1430
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 6: you could. You can now kind of tell how little

1431
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 6: planning I've done, but I think Mount Fuji is pretty

1432
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 6: close to Tokyo, so I could. I'm pretty sure I

1433
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,719
Speaker 6: could take a train from there. And then this concert

1434
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 6: is like a three minute train ride from Tokyo. So

1435
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 6: those are probably the first two things I'm gonna do.

1436
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 6: Get get that off the list, and then uh, probably

1437
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 6: check out Osaka next, and I don't know, probably jump

1438
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 6: around from Osaka and Tokyo unless there's some other cities

1439
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 6: I find, you know that I really want to check out.

1440
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 3: I mean, Tokyo rocks man, you can, I you could

1441
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 3: spend I you could spend three weeks in Tokyo. I

1442
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 3: spent two months in there this year is great.

1443
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 6: Oh shit, wait, what'd you do out there?

1444
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 3: I was hanging out. I thought about moving there for

1445
01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 3: a little bit and then I decided not to. But I, uh, yeah,

1446
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 3: I had a great time. Shout I gotta go if

1447
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 3: you want to. If you want a recommendation, I gotta

1448
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 3: I gotta give a shout out to my homies at

1449
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 3: the Tokyo Comedy Bar. There's a great comedy club in

1450
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 3: the middle of Shabuyah. But yeah, I mean, if you

1451
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 3: want advice for like, I mean, there's all the like

1452
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 3: you could you should just you could just walk the

1453
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 3: entire fucking city. Like there's Shibuya, Shinjuku, Ueno, actually, yeah whatever,

1454
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 3: There's there's a Akiabara. There's just all these like great

1455
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 3: neighborhoods that you could just spend infinite amount of time

1456
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 3: just walking around and hanging out in.

1457
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I think that. I think that's what I

1458
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 6: gotta do.

1459
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 3: And so you do that and then figure out the future. Yeah,

1460
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 3: there's a Again, it's a balancing act of of of

1461
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:49,759
Speaker 3: the present in the future.

1462
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 2: But if you always focus on the future, you're never

1463
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 2: in the president. If you're always in the present, you're go,

1464
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 2: you go broke, and it's a whole thing.

1465
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 6: And like when whenever in my life am I going

1466
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 6: to be able to just take three random weeks and

1467
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 6: just like say fucking and go fly somewhere. It's like yeah,

1468
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 6: sure you yeah, Like like sure you can find a

1469
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 6: job that gives you like three or four weeks of PTO.

1470
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 6: That's fucking tough to do. But even then, are you

1471
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 6: gonna want to spend all all your your whole years

1472
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 6: of PTO to go to one place? Like I'm it's

1473
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 6: like not, fuck it. It just makes the most sense

1474
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 6: to do right now.

1475
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 3: And you have savings though, right, you're not going into yeah, yeah, yeah.

1476
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 6: Thank god, thank god.

1477
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 4: Dude.

1478
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 6: When they fired me, they're like, we're gonna give you

1479
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,560
Speaker 6: two months severance, And dude, I was so happy. The

1480
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 6: the HR guy got mad that I was so happy,

1481
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 6: Like I was like, man, you're telling me you're giving

1482
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 6: me two months of severance. Fuck yeah, I'm happy.

1483
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 2: Let's go rock and roll man, Well oh yeah, then

1484
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 2: go crazy, man, I have a good time. What's your

1485
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 2: name again?

1486
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 6: Hell yeah?

1487
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: Ken?

1488
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 2: Ken?

1489
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: Ken?

1490
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 2: Is the anything else you want to say to the

1491
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 2: people the computer before we go?

1492
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 6: Uh? Like you said dude, live in the present, fuck it,

1493
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 6: you know, don't, don't think too much about it, and

1494
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 6: just fucking ball out.

1495
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know.

1496
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 3: Beautiful, beautiful, take care Ken, Alright, see you.

1497
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 6: The rep Can goes on.

1498
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 2: The line taking your phone calls every night.

1499
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 6: The repink Can goes doing his eye.

1500
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 2: He's teaching you how to live your life, but he's

1501
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 2: not really an expert.