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Speaker 2: What do we have, Crystal?
Speaker 3: Indeed, we do lots going on this week.
Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis officially out of the presidential campaign.
Speaker 3: Can't say that we didn't call it, but.
Speaker 2: Anyway certainly called it.
Speaker 1: We lot's to get into you there. We also have
Speaker 1: some intrigue on the Democratic side. Dean Phillips, at least
Speaker 1: according to one poll, may be surging in New Hampshire.
Speaker 1: Biden's having to waged this weird writing campaign but also
Speaker 1: pretend like it's not campaigning.
Speaker 3: So we'll tell you about those dynamics as well.
Speaker 1: And then, of course, there are a lot of updates
Speaker 1: with regard to Israel and the broader war that now
Speaker 1: is in full of fact. We've gotten use that the
Speaker 1: Biden administration is planning for a sustained military campaign against
Speaker 1: the hoo thasel though don't call it a war, even
Speaker 1: though what is exactly the war if it's not just
Speaker 1: continuing to bomb and exchange hostilities with another actor. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll get into that and bb Netanyahu continues to humiliate
Speaker 1: the Biden administration once again, proclaiming I don't know why
Speaker 1: this is a mystery to anyone, that he is absolutely
Speaker 1: opposed to the establishment of a pales demane state. This
Speaker 1: comes on the heels of Biden insisting that he thinks
Speaker 1: somehow he's going to be able to persuade Bibe that
Speaker 1: they should actually have a two state solution.
Speaker 3: We'll tell you about that.
Speaker 1: I'm taking a look at Malaya's speech at the World
Speaker 1: Economic Forum. Sager is taking a look at some mysteries
Speaker 1: surrounding that pipe bomb outside of the DNC headquarters back
Speaker 1: on January sixth.
Speaker 3: So a lot of intrigue this morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Also, don't forget Shelby Talcott should be
Speaker 2: joining us from Semopore, so that'll be fun. We've got
Speaker 2: a guest in the show. I got two monologues. Lots
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Speaker 2: Focus Group, which has been rescheduled after the snow that
Speaker 2: blanketed the Midwest also blanketed us here in Washington and Chrystally,
Speaker 2: you are doing a live stream tonight with a couple
Speaker 2: of friends that we should flag for everyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: So myself, Katie Helper Brion and Joy Gray, we are
Speaker 1: all teaming up to do a live stream with Mueen
Speaker 1: Rabani and Norman Finkelstein to really break down the ICJ
Speaker 1: case from South Africa against Israel. What is the likelihood
Speaker 1: of its success, what might happen from here? So really
Speaker 1: excited to talk to all of them and break all
Speaker 1: of that down for you people. So check out that
Speaker 1: live shares is at eight pm tonight. We'll go for
Speaker 1: a few hours and get into all of those things.
Speaker 2: Good luck to you for staying up well. Passed my mos.
Speaker 3: I told them ten o'clock is hard clock.
Speaker 2: I can't stay in five two hours at ten o'clock.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. All right, let's get to the election. As
Speaker 2: we mentioned, I did a breaking news last night, Governor
Speaker 2: de Santis did officially drop out of the presidential race.
Speaker 2: His main I guess contender against him, who was not
Speaker 2: named Donald Trump. Nicki Haley immediately react to that on
Speaker 2: the ground in New Hampshire. Here's what she had to say.
Speaker 4: We just heard that Ron de Santus has dropped out
Speaker 4: of the race. I say, Ron, he ran a great race.
Speaker 4: He's been a good governor and we wish him well.
Speaker 4: Having said that, it's now one fella and one lady left,
Speaker 4: will I be using.
Speaker 5: The name Ron the sanctimonious?
Speaker 6: I said that name is officially retired.
Speaker 2: So Trump has officially retired. Personally, never thought it was
Speaker 2: his best work. I think meet Ball Ron was far better.
Speaker 2: But those are the two immediates. Now we've got basically
Speaker 2: a two person race in the state of New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: Trump kind of making this evidence. He's been attacking Nicki
Speaker 2: Haley now for several days, which has led to a
Speaker 2: bizarre incident where he seemed to imply that Nicki Haley
Speaker 2: was actually in charge of security at the Capitol on
Speaker 2: January sixth. Let's take a list.
Speaker 6: By the way, they never report the crowd on January sixth.
Speaker 6: You know Nicki Helly, Nikki Haley, Nicki Haley. You know
Speaker 6: they do. You know they destroyed all of the information,
Speaker 6: all of the evidence, everything, deleted and destroyed it, all
Speaker 6: of it because of lots of things like Nicki Haley
Speaker 6: is in charge of security. We offered her ten thousand people.
Speaker 2: So we think Crystal He was referring to Nancy Pelosi.
Speaker 2: But Haley now picking up on this and implying that
Speaker 2: Trump has lost some of his marbles. Let's take a
Speaker 2: listen to that.
Speaker 7: We need a president for eight years, even if you
Speaker 7: have a president for four years. The man was going
Speaker 7: on a rant about how I was keeping Capitol police
Speaker 7: from going in on January sixth. He went on and
Speaker 7: on mentioned my name multiple times about the fact that
Speaker 7: I stopped people from being secure on January six I
Speaker 7: wasn't in DC on January six I had nothing to
Speaker 7: do with the Capital. It's things like that. He said
Speaker 7: multiple times that he ran against President Obama. He didn't
Speaker 7: run against President Obama. These things happened because guess what,
Speaker 7: when you're eighty, that's what happens. You're just not as
Speaker 7: sharp as you used to be. This is not personal,
Speaker 7: y'all know. I voted for him twice. I was proud
Speaker 7: to serve in this administration. This is the fact that
Speaker 7: we have a country in disarray and a world on fire,
Speaker 7: and we need to know that we are not giving
Speaker 7: our kids options of two eighty year olds going into
Speaker 7: a presidency.
Speaker 2: A little bit more of a general election argument there, Crystal,
Speaker 2: because I don't think a lot of Republicans feel that
Speaker 2: he has lost his marbles. But yeah, your overall reaction,
Speaker 2: DeSantis is out of the race. We certainly did call it.
Speaker 2: And I guess it's Nicky versus Trump. Good luck to her,
Speaker 2: I guess Trump would say.
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, So there's a few things. There's first
Speaker 1: of all, the short term impact. What will it mean
Speaker 1: in New Hampshire where we'll get into in a moment.
Speaker 1: I mean, some poles have shown her in single digits.
Speaker 1: It seems like the most recent polls have Trump his
Speaker 1: lead back into double digits. To be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I don't know that it has that much impact at
Speaker 1: all in New Hampshire because Ron DeSantis really wasn't pulling
Speaker 1: that while in New hamsher is getting like six percent
Speaker 1: of the vote. So where will that six percent go?
Speaker 1: Will that be the difference maker? I sort of doubt it.
Speaker 1: My expectation will do. Our official predictions probably tomorrow is
Speaker 1: that Trump will win New Hampshire and be able to
Speaker 1: continue that momentum easily into the Republican nomination. So does
Speaker 1: Rod DeSantis really dropping out make a huge difference for
Speaker 1: Nikki Haley? I seriously doubted, although I have seen some
Speaker 1: people who are assuming that all of his support will
Speaker 1: basically go to Trump, and I don't buy that.
Speaker 3: I think it's more split.
Speaker 1: I think probably maybe sixty forty, maybe even fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I don't think it's a huge
Speaker 1: difference maker because Trump has such a large lead on
Speaker 1: other dynamics. You know, there's a reason why from the beginning,
Speaker 1: even before all of the indictments, even before all of
Speaker 1: this happened, you and I were both very skeptical that
Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis, even at his best, even after Florida did
Speaker 1: phenomenal in the midterms and Trump was kind of down
Speaker 1: and out because i'll his candidates had underperformed and the
Speaker 1: Republicans had underperformed. Even at that moment, we were very
Speaker 1: skeptical because the Republicans still really like Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: They still really.
Speaker 1: Liked him, and he basically was an incumbent coming into
Speaker 1: this the way that they looked at and you had
Speaker 1: to give them a big reason to move away from
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis proved himself really unable to come
Speaker 1: up with an argument. I don't think it was going
Speaker 1: to be an easy thing to do. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if it was a possible thing to do that
Speaker 1: would move people off of Donald Trump and towards him.
Speaker 1: And in addition, perhaps his strongest argument to make was electability.
Speaker 3: Look at the scoreboard.
Speaker 1: Not only did you have the example of him on
Speaker 1: the campaign trail being incredibly awkward and also, by the way,
Speaker 1: running a really poor campaign in the Twitter spaces debacle,
Speaker 1: and people can go through the list, etc. But I
Speaker 1: don't think it gave people a lot of confidence like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the guy that can definitely win. And meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is so pathetic that you're like, of course
Speaker 1: Trump can beat him.
Speaker 3: I mean, anyone who.
Speaker 1: Looks at the scoreboard, so to speak, and doesn't think
Speaker 1: that Trump has a chance to defeat Joe Biden, They're
Speaker 1: just living in an alternate universe. So, you know, once
Speaker 1: that was off the table, the potential electability argument, there
Speaker 1: just wasn't a lot there to work with. So listen,
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are being really hard
Speaker 1: on the Rhonda Stantis campaign. There's plenty of material there
Speaker 1: to work with, but to be honest with you, Trump
Speaker 1: ran a really terrible, embarrassing campaign in twenty sixteen, and
Speaker 1: ey one, the bottom line is rond De Santis is
Speaker 1: not was never going to be president at this time.
Speaker 1: He's never going to be president period. He's just not
Speaker 1: the guy. And especially when you have a Republican Party,
Speaker 1: and especially when you have a person in Donald Trump
Speaker 1: who still really defines the center of gravity in both
Speaker 1: parties and focuses the debate. Everything turns around this man
Speaker 1: in both parties. So without some gigantic situation that was
Speaker 1: going to move people off of him, which we have
Speaker 1: never seen unfold in the Republican Party since he jumped
Speaker 1: on the scene, I think that this campaign, regardless of
Speaker 1: how perfectly it was run was basically doomed from day one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and look, Trump is just has the
Speaker 2: it factor, you know, Rohnde Santis. With Trump is in
Speaker 2: or is out, He's not going to be inspiring the
Speaker 2: same level of just reverence that people have. I mean,
Speaker 2: take a look at this. Let's put this up there
Speaker 2: on the screen. This is the line for people to
Speaker 2: get into the Trump rally in New Hampshire, where the
Speaker 2: feels like is one degree fahrenheit. It is literally almost
Speaker 2: zero minus thirty under freezing in the state of New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: In Manchester, people were lining up for hours to get
Speaker 2: in there. Hundreds thousands, you know. I mean, that's just
Speaker 2: something that you've never seen anything like that in modern politics.
Speaker 2: And look, the only place you have seen at Crystal,
Speaker 2: like you said, is amongst Democrats who hate Trump, and
Speaker 2: when they're willing to line up there and they ain't
Speaker 2: lining up for Joe Biden, they're lining up to vote
Speaker 2: against Donald Trump to chant, you know, wearing the you know,
Speaker 2: the pink hat. Almost said something else there the Women's
Speaker 2: marchin also, there's nothing wrong with that. It just shows
Speaker 2: you that it's the inverse right of the inspiration that
Speaker 2: he inspires amongst some voters is exactly the same thing
Speaker 2: that he applies for others. The thing is as you
Speaker 2: said too, in the state of New Hampshire. Just to
Speaker 2: back up your point, put this up there on the screen,
Speaker 2: just to give people an example of where the current
Speaker 2: polling is. Trump is currently in fifty five percent. This
Speaker 2: is in the latest USA Today Suffolk poll. You've got
Speaker 2: thirty six percent for Nicki Haley. I mean, it's not bad,
Speaker 2: but it's definitely still twenty some points behind. Desantans was
Speaker 2: polling at six. That's part of the reason that he
Speaker 2: dropped out. It would have just been this like humiliating
Speaker 2: twist in the wind for more than a month until
Speaker 2: the South Carolina primary and eventually going into Super Tuesday.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't want to finish before you know,
Speaker 2: three or four points. You want to be able to
Speaker 2: go out of quote unquote on top after you came
Speaker 2: in second, possibly curry some favor with Trump. As you said,
Speaker 2: I don't think all of that's going to go to Trump,
Speaker 2: although the majority of them, their second choice voter is
Speaker 2: going to be Donald Trump. They may just not show
Speaker 2: up to vote and then the you know, I guess
Speaker 2: three percent or so would go over to Nicki Haley. Now, listen,
Speaker 2: it's certainly possible. New Hampshire is a tough state to poll.
Speaker 2: It's weird. Trump definitely overperformed expectations last time, but things
Speaker 2: have defied with some expectations this time around. Obviously, Iowa
Speaker 2: was like, you know, a little bit squirrely in terms
Speaker 2: of where things were going for the exact percentages, even
Speaker 2: though the Iowa Seltzer polled. But there's no real equivalent
Speaker 2: here in the state. Plus you've got the open factor
Speaker 2: for a bunch of people who may have registered as
Speaker 2: Republicans go there, and that's the only reason why she
Speaker 2: might overperform expectation. But we'll see.
Speaker 1: Yes, the real question, it's possible, Right, it's possible she
Speaker 1: wins New Hampshire. I don't think she will, but it's possible.
Speaker 1: I think it is theoretically in the realm of possibility
Speaker 1: that she wins New Hampshire. If she does, she will
Speaker 1: still lose every state, including her home state, which is
Speaker 1: next of South Carolina, which is I mean, listen, On
Speaker 1: the one hand, this couldn't have lined up better for
Speaker 1: Nikki Haley. Right, you have New Hampshire early in the lineup,
Speaker 1: the very first primary state. That's a great state for her.
Speaker 1: It's probably the best state in the country for her
Speaker 1: in terms of potential performance. That's fantastic. Then you go
Speaker 1: into your home state of South Carolina. What could be
Speaker 1: a better lineup? She couldn't have planned it better. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, if you go into your home state
Speaker 1: of South Carolina and you lose, that's game over, right,
Speaker 1: that's game over now. I really am kind of fifty
Speaker 1: to fifty. I suspect she probably drops out after that,
Speaker 1: but I'm not one hundred percent sure she may stay
Speaker 1: in there, even though it's completely humiliating embarrassing to then
Speaker 1: get like ten percentage points in every state after that,
Speaker 1: just as an option in case something does happen with
Speaker 1: Trump that takes him off the field before the Republican nomination,
Speaker 1: she's the last one they're standing. That's theoretically possible, but
Speaker 1: I think, because especially of the timeline of his legal trouble,
Speaker 1: that is not all going to unfold until maybe before
Speaker 1: the general election, and maybe not even before then. But
Speaker 1: I don't think any of that is going to ripen
Speaker 1: before the Republican nomination is settled. So it's probably more
Speaker 1: likely that after she loses South Carolina, that's.
Speaker 3: The end of the road for her.
Speaker 2: I saw someone say that. I think is Harry Anton,
Speaker 2: who works for Cianna. He previously work for five thirty eight.
Speaker 2: He's one of the better pulling analysts. He was like, look, guys,
Speaker 2: here's the truth. We're shaping up for the longest general
Speaker 2: election in modern American history. And I think he's right.
Speaker 2: I mean, basically, we haven't seen something like this. I mean, technically,
Speaker 2: you look FDR. I guess certainly had some challengers or
Speaker 2: whatever back in the day. Probably that's the last time
Speaker 2: the waiver had such a presumptive nominee here and such
Speaker 2: a presumptive nominee on the other side, even though you know,
Speaker 2: technically the general election was only a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: This is, you know, I haven't seen any thing like
Speaker 2: this in a long time where you know exactly who
Speaker 2: both parties are going to be technically with an open primary,
Speaker 2: at least that's what it was supposed to be. Just
Speaker 2: to give everybody again a preview of the state of
Speaker 2: the real clear politics polling average, let's put this up there.
Speaker 2: So Trump has got plus fifteen on average over all
Speaker 2: of his opponents roughly in line what we just saw,
Speaker 2: fifty two percent average that he's polling at thirty, Nikki
Speaker 2: Haley at thirty seven to five. DeSantis's average was roughly seven.
Speaker 2: So we'll see if you equally split that down the middle,
Speaker 2: you can see it puts Trump righter with fifty five
Speaker 2: or so, possibly Haley at forty.
Speaker 1: Now, there is one outlier poll that's not listed here
Speaker 1: from American Research Group. It's not rated highly, by five
Speaker 1: point thirty eight. For what it's worth, it's like a
Speaker 1: C plus pulling outfit, and they have the race basically
Speaker 1: a statistical tie, I think, with Niky Haley down two points,
Speaker 1: but that's within the margin of air. That's an outlier.
Speaker 1: But I do want to acknowledge that it exists that
Speaker 1: that polling is out there. They use a somewhat different methodology.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're picking up something that other people aren't, or
Speaker 1: maybe they're wildly off base. Very hard to say, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens on Tuesday night. They also have
Speaker 1: and we'll cover this to an outlier poll on the
Speaker 1: Democratic side.
Speaker 3: The Democratic race very.
Speaker 1: Difficult to pull in the state of New Hampshire, because
Speaker 1: you have Joe Biden not on the ballot, people have
Speaker 1: to write in his name and that just makes it
Speaker 1: for you know, very difficult to predict how that is
Speaker 1: all going to go down, and you know what percentage
Speaker 1: point he will get in the state as well. But
Speaker 1: just wanted to acknowledge that exists. One other things soccer
Speaker 1: that I wanted to mention because we played the clip
Speaker 1: of Nikki Haley picking up on Trump's like confusing or
Speaker 1: with Nancy Fulisi, and I saw that too, the like
Speaker 1: SETI ran against Obama a couple times when he didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I do think it's reasonable
Speaker 1: to say the man is eighty years old, So these
Speaker 1: slip books are going to happen more and more like
Speaker 1: That's just the nature of aging.
Speaker 3: It is what it is.
Speaker 1: I will also say, though, as someone who talks for
Speaker 1: a living and talks all the time, like I also
Speaker 1: make He's stupid miscuse sometimes, so I don't put too
Speaker 1: much stock in it. But I will say politically, not
Speaker 1: only Nicki Haley, but also Joe Biden is picking up
Speaker 1: on this. And to your point about the general election
Speaker 1: has already started, like everybody's moved past these primaries basically
Speaker 1: and assumes it's going to be Trump and Biden because
Speaker 1: it is going to be Trump and Biden. Biden picked
Speaker 1: up on this and was also making fun of it
Speaker 1: and using Nicky Haley's comments to make fun of it
Speaker 1: as well. And do I think this is going to,
Speaker 1: you know, persuade people that Biden is more on the
Speaker 1: ball than Trump is. No, but it is a classic
Speaker 1: tactic just to try to muddy the waters. Like if
Speaker 1: Biden's biggest liability is that he is old and not
Speaker 1: altogether with it and can't formulate a sentence in all
Speaker 1: of these things, if you can just muddy the waters
Speaker 1: a little bit and get people thinking like, yeah, Trump's
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent either. He also is on that
Speaker 1: aging decline as well. That could be a useful strategy
Speaker 1: for Joe Biden. I don't think it's a stupid idea.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a bad idea either. As you said,
Speaker 2: I mean, what your best. So when you've got a negative,
Speaker 2: what you want to make sure is that it's not
Speaker 2: just a negative against you. If you can try to
Speaker 2: make it so they're like, well, Trump has something too,
Speaker 2: and you've got a general election voter who's like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm mad about his aid to Madge about his as well,
Speaker 2: then maybe I'll vote for my second tertiary or whatever
Speaker 2: type thing. It's kind of like the original Documents case,
Speaker 2: where you know, classified documents for Trump and then you
Speaker 2: came out on Biden. It's like the moment that that happened,
Speaker 2: it was like, I'm politically not legally, it's a wash.
Speaker 2: So that's what you would, you know, really desire is
Speaker 2: that the other side does it too. Will it work?
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure. There's a lot of pulling to
Speaker 2: suggest that Americans are a lot more upset about President
Speaker 2: Biden's age, or at least much more concerned than President Trump.
Speaker 2: As you said to you know, slip up every once
Speaker 2: in a while is actually and again this is not
Speaker 2: to be construed as you know, speaking up for the man.
Speaker 2: It's just every once in a while when you're on
Speaker 2: camera all the time, as we have all learned here,
Speaker 2: you're going to say something you know you're gonna misswap
Speaker 2: your words exactly. Yeah. But in the pattern that we've
Speaker 2: seen with Biden now for years and years, the degradation
Speaker 2: and the amount of time that he's on camera and
Speaker 2: where it's the majority of the time and not the
Speaker 2: minimal amount of time as opposed to Trump, where I
Speaker 2: would say that's flipped. That's probably why it's a bigger problem.
Speaker 2: But if Biden can try to elevate this, we'll see.
Speaker 2: Obviously it's gonna be a pretty big dynamic I think
Speaker 2: in the general election. Yeah, like agism against the two
Speaker 2: of hissm, the two of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah they're running.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also have seen there have been all these
Speaker 1: like resistance liberal conspiracies about Trump's health.
Speaker 2: Oh the lead golf source from it golfs all the time?
Speaker 1: Oh is that what it is?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have golfed enough now to know you wear
Speaker 1: a glove and you don't get I mean I just
Speaker 1: even as a brand new golfer, I wasn't getting that
Speaker 1: kind of thing on my hands anyway. I'm not buying
Speaker 1: the golf sto. Sorry, but I'm I don't know. James
Speaker 1: Carvel's out there like it's the clap for sure. It
Speaker 1: is hilarious anyway, So there's that there's like a video
Speaker 1: of him where people are like, oh, he's dragging that
Speaker 1: right leg again. So the resistance crowd is really trying
Speaker 1: to drum up a lot of concerns about Trump and
Speaker 1: his health and his mental fitness and whatever. I will say,
Speaker 1: I don't know about a thing, but on the mental fitness,
Speaker 1: I have seen enough clips now of him mixing up
Speaker 1: words and whatever to say, yeah, this is different than
Speaker 1: the sharpness that used to be there.
Speaker 3: I do think. I mean a ken he's going to
Speaker 3: be eighty years old, like that does this does happen?
Speaker 1: He is, in fact, even though it doesn't all often
Speaker 1: seem like it, he is in fact a human being.
Speaker 1: So I don't think that's like totally to be dismissed.
Speaker 1: And like I said, is this going to persuade voters
Speaker 1: that Biden is actually the one who's fit, you know,
Speaker 1: the most fit and ready to be president given his
Speaker 1: manifestly low energy levels and like unwillingness to do rallies
Speaker 1: or talk to the press or really capably do much
Speaker 1: of anything. No, but can he make it a little
Speaker 1: less clear cut, make it a little bit so that's
Speaker 1: less of a factor going against him. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he could.
Speaker 3: Probably pull that off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's possible. We will see. It also
Speaker 2: depends in terms of the fitness of the two of them. Anyway,
Speaker 2: let's turn. We've got a great guest standing by Shelby Talcott.
Speaker 2: You're going to join us to about the demise of
Speaker 2: the Dessantas campaign. Joining us now is political reporter for Semaphore,
Speaker 2: and she is joining us alive from the state of
Speaker 2: New Hampshire. So he wrote an interesting new piece. Let's
Speaker 2: put it up there on the screen. Thirteen reasons why
Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis did not become the Republican nominee. Thirteen. I'm
Speaker 2: not exactly sure that we needed all of them, no offense,
Speaker 2: Just tell us a little bit about what you described.
Speaker 2: Were you surprised yesterday when DeSantis dropped out. I'm sure
Speaker 2: you guys were hearing things almost imminently about what was
Speaker 2: coming forward. But being on the ground there in the state,
Speaker 2: did it make sense for him to do so?
Speaker 9: Yeah, it absolutely made sense. I mean, he had actually
Speaker 9: left the state of New Hampshire to go campaign in
Speaker 9: South Carolina, partially because there really was no path for
Speaker 9: him here in New Hampshire, and he was sort of
Speaker 9: hoping that there would be a path for him in
Speaker 9: South Carolina and that he could have at least a
Speaker 9: few days head start. The problem is, I heard that
Speaker 9: a few days ago he got some bad South Carolina
Speaker 9: internals that played a role in him ultimately deciding to
Speaker 9: drop out. He had been planning on coming back here
Speaker 9: to New Hampshire, but really it felt like after Iowa
Speaker 9: his campaign was sort of lost. They didn't really have
Speaker 9: a clear path forward because there really was no clear
Speaker 9: path forward. And as I wrote, there are multiple reasons
Speaker 9: why his campaign sort of failed to launch. It started
Speaker 9: before he even got into the race. He took heavy
Speaker 9: fire from Donald Trump and he didn't reply to it.
Speaker 5: He had that disastrous launch on X.
Speaker 9: Once he launched, he was he had sort of a
Speaker 9: bloated campaign that he was forced to downsize pretty quickly,
Speaker 9: and instead of downsizing in just one news cycle, he
Speaker 9: did it in several news cycles, which, of course nobody
Speaker 9: wants three or four negative news cycles. The list goes on,
Speaker 9: some of it his fault, some of it not his fault,
Speaker 9: example being deadments, but ultimately it just wasn't meant to
Speaker 9: be so out here on the ground, nobody was really
Speaker 9: shocked that he decided to drop out before Tuesday happened.
Speaker 2: Makes sense.
Speaker 1: What is the cope coming from the Desanta's camp about
Speaker 1: why this didn't come together for him.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think they maintain when I talk
Speaker 9: to people from Team DeSantis, that he was the best
Speaker 9: option for America, that he should have been president, but
Speaker 9: that voters simply were not ready to move on from
Speaker 9: Donald Trump, and.
Speaker 5: That's sort of where they're at.
Speaker 9: They're also really glad that he did end up dropping
Speaker 9: out for New Hampshire, because I was talking to people
Speaker 9: over the past few weeks, even before Iowa who really
Speaker 9: wanted him to be president and still supported him and
Speaker 9: had this sort of I'm going to go down with
Speaker 9: the ship mentality. But also we're concerned because they wanted
Speaker 9: him to drop out to save himself for twenty eight
Speaker 9: and so there's sort of relief within DeSantis world at
Speaker 9: this point because they believe that he has successfully saved
Speaker 9: himself and can run again when Americans are ready and
Speaker 9: when you know the country has perhaps moved past a
Speaker 9: Donald Trump presidency.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see. So, Shelby, you are on the ground
Speaker 2: in New Hampshire, So can you just tell us a
Speaker 2: little bit about like what the dynamics are with Nicki Haley.
Speaker 2: Certainly we see that she has come up in the polls,
Speaker 2: but we also see Trump, you know, really consolidating fifty
Speaker 2: odds some percent and possibly even higher so in the
Speaker 2: days now so day, I guess since DeSantis dropped out,
Speaker 2: what was the reaction like to people expect all those
Speaker 2: voters to go to Trump or what's the general consensus?
Speaker 9: Losanta's didn't have that much voter support to begin with
Speaker 9: here in New Hampshire, but the anticipation is that much,
Speaker 9: if not all, of those are going to go to
Speaker 9: Donald Trump, And in New Hampshire, you know every percentage
Speaker 9: point is going to count. I will say Donald Trump's
Speaker 9: team is feeling very confident, very happy right now, especially
Speaker 9: with Desanti's dropping out, less so because of the percentage
Speaker 9: points that it gives him, and more so because of
Speaker 9: the sort of overarching theme and mentality that it brings.
Speaker 9: Donald Trump has brought a slew of South Carolina here
Speaker 9: to endorse him and to to sort of knock down
Speaker 9: Nikki Haley in that sense, and it's less about getting
Speaker 9: votes and more about just that idea that he is
Speaker 9: so strong that Nikki Haley has no chance and sort
Speaker 9: of trying to sow doubt in voter's minds here in
Speaker 9: New Hampshire before they actually come out and vote now.
Speaker 9: I will say Nikki Haley argues that she's feeling very
Speaker 9: confident she has that sort of undecided voter base locked up.
Speaker 9: At the same time, her team has sort of been
Speaker 9: tempering expectations from a win here in New Hampshire to
Speaker 9: a strong second place finish, which, of course, you know
Speaker 9: always sort of indicates something to me.
Speaker 5: So we will see.
Speaker 1: What do you think her end game is here, Shelby,
Speaker 1: Because she's not gonna be the Republican nominee. I mean,
Speaker 1: even she wins in New Hampshire, she's way behind in
Speaker 1: her home state of South Carolina, which is next, and
Speaker 1: that's her next best performance in the country. There's no
Speaker 1: other state where she's even anywhere close. It does not
Speaker 1: appear that there's some like group waiting in the Republican
Speaker 1: primary to have the permission to vote for Nikki Haley.
Speaker 1: Republicans like Donald Trump. And you know that's like very
Speaker 1: clear at this point. So what do you think her
Speaker 1: play is. Does she want to remainant relevant Republican politics?
Speaker 1: Does she want a media gig? Does she want to
Speaker 1: be Trump's VP? What do you think her end game
Speaker 1: thinking is at this point?
Speaker 9: I mean, that's the ultimate question, right, because I do
Speaker 9: agree with you. I think a few months ago there
Speaker 9: was sort of some deliver of hope that if she
Speaker 9: did really well in Iowa, had a second place finished,
Speaker 9: she did not did really well here and won, that
Speaker 9: there would be sort of this sect of people in
Speaker 9: South Carolina who had just been waiting for permission to
Speaker 9: vote for her.
Speaker 5: That doesn't seem to be reality.
Speaker 9: And so that's one of Trump team's arguments is she
Speaker 9: really has no path forward. When I've talked to them
Speaker 9: about the vice presidential pick. She told a pair of
Speaker 9: voters this week in New Hampshire that she was out
Speaker 9: on VP. That is not something she wants. Of course,
Speaker 9: every candidate says that. I think until the opportunity arises.
Speaker 9: At the same time, I've talked to Trump folks who say,
Speaker 9: we listen, we've been so aggressive at Nikki Haley, it's
Speaker 9: gonna be hard to put that sort of thing back
Speaker 9: in the box. So I don't know where she goes
Speaker 9: from here. She has sort of distanced herself from that
Speaker 9: MAGA movement, and in a way, there's not really a
Speaker 9: place for her in this kind of Republican party.
Speaker 2: Quite frankly, no I think that's a great point. I mean,
Speaker 2: we originally were going to talk to you about some
Speaker 2: beepsteaks and what things were looking like inside the Trump
Speaker 2: team and what their thoughts are. So can you just
Speaker 2: give us a general sense. I've seen at least Dephonics
Speaker 2: name floated. I know online it's popular to say it's
Speaker 2: going to be Vivague. I personally don't see that happening,
Speaker 2: but maybe I'm wrong. What do you think?
Speaker 9: I also don't see it happening, partially because he's so green.
Speaker 9: Trump's team has always been talking about they want someone
Speaker 9: who knows what they're doing.
Speaker 5: That's part of the reason.
Speaker 9: I also don't think it's going to be carry Lake,
Speaker 9: because he wants someone who is a quote unquote winner.
Speaker 5: He's looking for loyalty.
Speaker 9: First, of course, especially after this Mike Pence thing where
Speaker 9: he felt like Mike Pence was disloyal, so that's the
Speaker 9: number one thing.
Speaker 5: But he also wants someone who's.
Speaker 9: Not going to necessarily outshine him in the media. And
Speaker 9: all of these names that are floating around a leash, Stephonic,
Speaker 9: jd Vance, Sarah Sanders, they're all in the mix. But
Speaker 9: I think it's really important to note that every time
Speaker 9: one of these media stories pops up. Right now, it
Speaker 9: is accurate Donald Trump is asking around about these people.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, that's what he does.
Speaker 9: Anytime somebody does something he likes, it piques his interests,
Speaker 9: he pulls people.
Speaker 5: He pulls people.
Speaker 9: At mar a Lago, at dinner, he pulls his aids.
Speaker 9: And so I would caution to read too much into
Speaker 9: these sorts of media stories. It's clear that he has
Speaker 9: some sort of general list, but that list has not
Speaker 9: been finalized. And this is what he does. He likes
Speaker 9: the media questioning who he's going to be. It keeps
Speaker 9: him in the news cycle. He doesn't have to do anything.
Speaker 9: And he also likes sort of sitting back and watching
Speaker 9: these these VP.
Speaker 5: Hopeful sort of fight for it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's the next stage that we're starting to see
Speaker 9: here in New Hampshire.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 1: And lastly, Shelby, you know you mentioned before that some
Speaker 1: of Ronda Santas's biggest supporters were glad he pulled out
Speaker 1: now to preserve his chances for twenty twenty eight. I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you think about his chances for the future
Speaker 1: in the Republican Party. How does the Republican base feel
Speaker 1: about him. How does the donor set feel about him,
Speaker 1: because they sort of, you know, abandoned him for Nikki
Speaker 1: Haley in the middle of this race. I think most
Speaker 1: people you know would agree with your assessment that the
Speaker 1: campaign was very poorly run. He was an awkward campaigner
Speaker 1: out on the stump, and so the war people saw
Speaker 1: of him, the less they were interested in casting their
Speaker 1: vote for him. So what do you think that Ron
Speaker 1: de Santis' future looks like within the Republican Party.
Speaker 9: I think one of the big things, quite frankly, is
Speaker 9: that he has sort of gotten back into Trump's good
Speaker 9: graces by endorsing him. That was certainly a strategic move. Partially,
Speaker 9: he just had no interest in helping Nikki Haley was
Speaker 9: very clear there's no love lost between those two. But
Speaker 9: also I think, you know, if Donald Trump goes to
Speaker 9: say he wins office in twenty twenty four, he's now
Speaker 9: back on Donald Trump's good side, and that alone can
Speaker 9: sort of help him get those maga type voters that
Speaker 9: he failed.
Speaker 5: To get this time around.
Speaker 9: At the same time, you think twenty twenty eight, there's
Speaker 9: going to be a whole number of new top Republicans
Speaker 9: that opted not to get in this cycle, who are
Speaker 9: going to be really tough to beat, you know, Glenn
Speaker 9: Yenkin types. So it's going to be really interesting to
Speaker 9: see if he can in the next several years sort
Speaker 9: of refine that awkward persona and learn from his mistakes
Speaker 9: enough to remain you know, the top twenty eight contender,
Speaker 9: as so many people believe he still could be.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see what happens. As Trump often likes to say,
Speaker 2: who knows, he may himself decide to endorse or run again.
Speaker 3: You never know.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna guess Ron doesn't launch next time on
Speaker 1: Twitter spaces.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's right. He's going to launch on the
Speaker 2: Apple Vision Pro, on the Apple Vision Pro two point zero.
Speaker 2: Good tell, I'm excited. I'm excited, all right, Shelby, thank
Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it. Thanks, Okay.
Speaker 2: Turning now to the Democrats in the state of New Hampshire,
Speaker 2: possibly the only real primary that we're going to get
Speaker 2: this time around. Poles are looking interesting, so it's a
Speaker 2: very difficult state to poll, especially because you've got Biden
Speaker 2: running this strange ride in campaign. But things are not
Speaker 2: looking terrible for Dean Phillips. Go and put this up
Speaker 2: there on the screen. This is a brute and brand
Speaker 2: new poll. This is from ARG the American Research Group,
Speaker 2: rated as C plus from five thirty eight. But they
Speaker 2: actually show Joe Biden at fifty four percent for a
Speaker 2: ride in Dean Phillips at thirty two percent, seven percent
Speaker 2: say they are undecided, four percent other three percent for
Speaker 2: mary Anne Williamson. So, I mean, it's kind of interesting
Speaker 2: that Phillips has seen a surge at least in recent times,
Speaker 2: and Phillips himself is really like opening up all the
Speaker 2: stops in terms of the stop Biden argument in the
Speaker 2: same terms that I think jenk Uger has talked about
Speaker 2: here on our show and others. He's like, look, there's
Speaker 2: just no way that this man can beat Trump. I
Speaker 2: just don't see it at all. He believes it, apparently
Speaker 2: so much, he's even willing to float a no Labels bid.
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there, pretty interesting, basically saying that
Speaker 2: if Biden is going to rig the primary against him
Speaker 2: that on Saturday he said he would even consider running
Speaker 2: on the ticket of No Labels, which is that centrist
Speaker 2: group who we've interviewed here in the past exploring an
Speaker 2: independent bid against Biden and against Trump. This was in
Speaker 2: a New York Times interview. He said for the first
Speaker 2: time that he was considering it, that he was in
Speaker 2: regular communication with the group's chief executive, and that quote,
Speaker 2: Democratic allies of President Biden have been alarmed by No Labels,
Speaker 2: worrying that any candidate it runs could siphon off votes
Speaker 2: for him. Phillips said this specifically, people are criticizing them
Speaker 2: because they believe whomever will offer on their ticket will
Speaker 2: hurt Biden. That's false. If they put someone at the
Speaker 2: top the ticket who could actually drive votes away from
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, every Democrat in the USA should be celebrating it.
Speaker 2: They have not made that determination. So he's running, you know,
Speaker 2: very much on the rigged primary, saying that he's somebody
Speaker 2: who he thinks that Biden certainly just can't win against
Speaker 2: Trump at all. I actually don't think that's necessarily true,
Speaker 2: Which is it's funny. The electability argument has been made
Speaker 2: by Dems against Biden and by DeSantis and Haley against Trump,
Speaker 2: and yet every poll shows that the two of them
Speaker 2: are probably the strongest that they've been able to put
Speaker 2: up from their own parties right now, which is pretty
Speaker 2: difficult for them.
Speaker 1: You mean that you think they're the strongest candidates to
Speaker 1: win in the general AC should I disagree with well.
Speaker 2: Within their own parties against each other. I mean, so,
Speaker 2: for example, the idea that Trump cannot win against Biden
Speaker 2: is ludicrous, because we've poles after poll that shows that
Speaker 2: he possibly can. Yeah, Biden as well. I mean, Biden
Speaker 2: certainly polls pretty well against Trump. We've seen the recent
Speaker 2: Quinnipeac pole.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're the best by by far, but
Speaker 2: I say within the realm of like what's available right now,
Speaker 2: the two of them have certain strengths that some of
Speaker 2: these others don't have.
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think so like generic Democrat that's different.
Speaker 1: Yea is like the living embodiment of generic Democrat does
Speaker 1: better than Joe Biden. Generic Republican, and Nikki Haley in
Speaker 1: most polls does better than Donald Trump does against Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: So I think if the Republicans nominated either On DeSantis
Speaker 1: or Nikki Haley, which obviously DeSantis is not an option
Speaker 1: now and Nikki Haley is barely an option at this point,
Speaker 1: I think they would easily beat Joe Biden. I don't
Speaker 1: think he would even stand a chance. I think probably
Speaker 1: the only candidate that he has a chance against is
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And Trump I mean likewise, probably the only
Speaker 1: candidate he really stands a chance against is Joe Biden
Speaker 1: because of his weakness. But one thing I would say is,
Speaker 1: you know, the Democratic Party base is very unsure about
Speaker 1: Joe Biden going up against Donald Trump again. They feel
Speaker 1: very insured that he can win once again. They feel
Speaker 1: very unsure about his capability of serving another full term
Speaker 1: in office. But they have not really the media has
Speaker 1: made sure that they are not aware that there are
Speaker 1: even other options. And let's be fair too. I mean,
Speaker 1: Dean Phillips came into this race quite late. He has
Speaker 1: been a little bit all over the map. I want
Speaker 1: to be charitable towards him because, you know, I appreciate
Speaker 1: him for a variety of reasons getting in this race.
Speaker 3: I think it did take some courage.
Speaker 1: You know, he was nice enough to come here and
Speaker 1: engage with us in a back and forth. So I
Speaker 1: want to be charitable towards him. But I don't really
Speaker 1: understand this. He's kind of all over the map. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a problem solvers caucus dude who voted one hundred
Speaker 1: percent with Joe Biden. He framed himself as this very
Speaker 1: like centristeed dem as a member of Congress. Then he
Speaker 1: gets into the primary and sees that a lot of
Speaker 1: the dissident energy is on the left, and then he's like, well, actually,
Speaker 1: I support matic care for all, and I support some
Speaker 1: of these other like Bernie Sanders style priorities or things
Speaker 1: that actually Marian Williamson has been running on since the
Speaker 1: beginning of the primary. So it's like, Okay, well, that's
Speaker 1: I appreciate if you. His explanation to me was that
Speaker 1: he got out there and talked to people and saw
Speaker 1: the need and got out of the DC bubble and
Speaker 1: became aware. But now you're like taking money from billionaire
Speaker 1: Bill Ackman, changed in your website to reflect his priorities,
Speaker 1: floating and no labels.
Speaker 7: Bid.
Speaker 3: I just don't know.
Speaker 1: I just don't really understand the endgame with Dean Phillips.
Speaker 1: The poll we put up on the screen, this American
Speaker 1: Research Group poll. They're the same ones that had the
Speaker 1: outlier in New Hampshire for the Republican side. This is
Speaker 1: also an outlier on the Democratic side. The other polls
Speaker 1: of New Hampshire do not show Dean Phillips anywhere near
Speaker 1: thirty something percent of the vote, So I am skeptical
Speaker 1: that he has this level of support in the state,
Speaker 1: but we'll see.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, the dynamics here, New Hampshire.
Speaker 1: Is already hard to pull because you have independence, can
Speaker 1: vote in party primary, so there's a lot of crossover.
Speaker 1: So that makes it a bit of a wildcard. Who's
Speaker 1: going to show up for which primary and how they're
Speaker 1: going to vote, So there's that piece. Then, to really
Speaker 1: complicate things, you had Joe Biden, in an attempt to
Speaker 1: thoroughly rig the primary, basically screw himself in the state
Speaker 1: of New Hampshire, but try to kick him to the
Speaker 1: back of the line. They couldn't move their primary because
Speaker 1: of their state constitution, so he's having to mount this
Speaker 1: write in campaign.
Speaker 3: But also they don't.
Speaker 1: Want to be seen as even campaigning in the state,
Speaker 1: so it's not even his campaign that's doing the right
Speaker 1: in campaign. They've left it to a state party that
Speaker 1: is really pissed off at them, by the way, and
Speaker 1: not happy about what they've.
Speaker 3: Done in terms of moving the primary.
Speaker 1: There's been a minimal amount of dollars that have been
Speaker 1: spent towards his writing campaign, and so I just have
Speaker 1: no idea how that is going to work out. I
Speaker 1: have no idea what percentage Joe Biden will get. I
Speaker 1: think you will probably outperform this arg poll that we
Speaker 1: had up, but maybe underperform some of the other polls
Speaker 1: that have shown him, you know, at sixty five percent,
Speaker 1: and really trouncing the entire field just because who's going
Speaker 1: to even be motivated to come out for Democratic primary
Speaker 1: when the media has been consistently been telling you there
Speaker 1: is no Democratic primary, there are no opponents, So why
Speaker 1: would you bother to show up?
Speaker 3: How would you know that you have to write in
Speaker 3: Joe Biden's name.
Speaker 1: I just think it's a complicated set of dynamics that
Speaker 1: makes it very, very very unpredictable how.
Speaker 3: This is ultimately all going to unfold.
Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say about the Democratic primary is,
Speaker 1: you know, Marian Williamson has been running as like the
Speaker 1: left chinallenger to Joe Biden, and she's come out with
Speaker 1: regard to the unconditional support for Israel, She's come out,
Speaker 1: she's voice descent, she's called for a ceasefire. But I
Speaker 1: think she had a real opportunity to lean into that issue,
Speaker 1: to really make that a centerpiece, because in terms of
Speaker 1: the energy and the opposition to Joe Biden, especially among
Speaker 1: young voters, especially among left leaning voters throughout the Democratic coalition,
Speaker 1: this has really become a lightning rod and you know,
Speaker 1: a real central focus of dissent and of upset against him,
Speaker 1: to the point that many young voters who were with
Speaker 1: him last time around are saying, there is absolutely no
Speaker 1: way I could support this man. And in sign of
Speaker 1: the fact that she failed to make this an issue
Speaker 1: that she was sort of identified with and synonymous with
Speaker 1: and seen as being a consistent advocate on the fact
Speaker 1: that there's this rite and ceasefire campaign going on where
Speaker 1: people are being encouraged to, instead of voting for any
Speaker 1: of the candidates on the ballot, to literally write in
Speaker 1: the word ceasefire just as a.
Speaker 3: Protest against Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: If she'd done a better job, I think positioning herself
Speaker 1: as a dissident on this topic and really leaned into
Speaker 1: it sure up to protest, talked consistently about it in
Speaker 1: a way that you know, was landing with the people
Speaker 1: who are upset about it, then I think that campaign
Speaker 1: would have been vote for Mary and Williamson as a
Speaker 1: protest against Joe Biden instead of vote for ceasefire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we see some of that. We can put
Speaker 2: b five guys please up on the screen. Let's put
Speaker 2: it up there from the Boston Globe. So we have
Speaker 2: New Hampshire primary voters here urged to write in ceasefire
Speaker 2: to send Biden a message very much, you know, demonstrating
Speaker 2: exactly what you're talking about, Crystal, which is that if
Speaker 2: she had made her name synonymous with that in this
Speaker 2: entire effort wouldn't really be necessary. There's also been some
Speaker 2: sniping between Andrew Yang and Mary Ann Williamson. An interesting
Speaker 2: moment at one of their rallies for Dean in the
Speaker 2: state of New Hampshire where Yang said that Maryann Williamson
Speaker 2: it should drop out and to join him and Dean Phillips.
Speaker 2: She says, Dean is our best chance. Here's what he
Speaker 2: had to say.
Speaker 10: I asked you to join us in challenging the true enemy.
Speaker 10: The true enemy is the political establishment that does not
Speaker 10: care about our families and communities, and a media couple
Speaker 10: that will suppress or demonize anyone who wants to change things.
Speaker 10: On behalf of the people of this country, mary Anne,
Speaker 10: Dean is our best chance to change things. I am
Speaker 10: looking forward to serving in his administration, and I hope
Speaker 10: that you will join us.
Speaker 2: Interesting moment. Immediately, though, mary Anne shot it down. Let's
Speaker 2: put it up there please, She says, that's not going
Speaker 2: to happen. She tweeted out, quote, Wow, Andrew Yang, the
Speaker 2: days of a woman stepping aside on the assumption that
Speaker 2: a man can do better of the job are over.
Speaker 2: Deeply disappointed in you, guys, And the answer is no,
Speaker 2: to which Dean then somehow walked back. Let's put the
Speaker 2: final element here, he says. I respect Maryann Williamson, a
Speaker 2: woman of courage, conviction and strength. I hope she stays
Speaker 2: in the primary with me, as we shine light on
Speaker 2: American suffering, proposed solutions, and promote democracy while our party
Speaker 2: suppresses it. So that's not exactly sure what happened there.
Speaker 2: My guess is that Andrew talked a little bit off script,
Speaker 2: meant everything had to be walked back. But in general,
Speaker 2: as you said, mary Anne squandered a moment a bit
Speaker 2: there by not kind of consolidating all of the progressive
Speaker 2: and young energy. It would have been interesting too, because
Speaker 2: it had been like an actual test of how strong
Speaker 2: any of that is even on the ballot in a
Speaker 2: Democratic primary. Now it's just dispersed right in seas fire,
Speaker 2: this plus Dean and all of that and Biden. I mean,
Speaker 2: who knows, Like you said, going in in a presumptive
Speaker 2: election where you're not even on the ballot to go
Speaker 2: write in Biden is a weird thing to do. I
Speaker 2: did send Crystal. One of our viewers sent me a
Speaker 2: photo of the write in flyers that have been going
Speaker 2: around for Biden. They say, you have the power to
Speaker 2: stop Donald Trump's attack on our democracy. Vote Joe Biden
Speaker 2: for president. It says voting for Joe Biden as easy
Speaker 2: as one, two three, Start at the bottom of the
Speaker 2: ballot with a pen, filling the oval for write in,
Speaker 2: and write Joe Biden on the line. So that's what
Speaker 2: they are sending to people. Thank you one of our viewers,
Speaker 2: by the way, who said.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, the last thing I'll say on all of
Speaker 1: this is this will be, you know, controversial. I actually
Speaker 1: think there was more of a chance to unsee Biden
Speaker 1: in the Democratic primary then, or was with Trump in
Speaker 1: the Republican primary, Because early on. Yeah, if things had
Speaker 1: gone to if there had been a unified campaign against Biden,
Speaker 1: you know, consistently challenging him, making people aware that there
Speaker 1: was another option, if there had been like a unified coalition.
Speaker 1: I genuinely think there was an opportunity here because you
Speaker 1: had all the polls, I mean, Biden, the Biden team
Speaker 1: was clearly nervous about this, right, They saw the polls
Speaker 1: too that the Democratic base, a majority of them were like,
Speaker 1: we would like someone else, We would like to see
Speaker 1: another option here. We are not comfortable with this man
Speaker 1: is the nominee. Once again, we don't know that he
Speaker 1: can defeat Trump. We don't know that he can serve
Speaker 1: former years in office. And you know, we've always talked
Speaker 1: about this with regard to Trump and Biden. Biden's support
Speaker 1: doesn't really support for Joe Biden. It's very solid. The
Speaker 1: most people feel about him is like he's fine.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: That's like the strength of the depth of the feeling
Speaker 1: about Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: Whereas with Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, we've showed you before the pictures of
Speaker 1: the people out in the free zero degree minus twenty
Speaker 1: whatever love weather to come and see him at a rally.
Speaker 1: Literally no one. I don't even think Joe Bain's wife
Speaker 1: would do that at this point.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So it's much harder to move those people off of
Speaker 1: Donald Trump than it could have been in an alternate
Speaker 1: universe where there I was a unified coalition and a
Speaker 1: concerted effort from the.
Speaker 3: Beginning and then especially at the end.
Speaker 1: Here, you know, if you had made that noise and
Speaker 1: you would laid the groundwork. And then you know, with
Speaker 1: his unconditional support for Israel, which is not just unpopular
Speaker 1: by the way, in the Democratic Party with young people,
Speaker 1: it is unpopular across the board. It's actually especially unpopular
Speaker 1: with young people, obviously Arab Americans, Muslim Americans, but with
Speaker 1: Black Americans too. Some of the strongest numbers in favor
Speaker 1: of a ceasefire and oppositional to his unconditional support are
Speaker 1: among a key components of the Democratic base. So the
Speaker 1: opening and the possibilities were there, and you know, you
Speaker 1: can say, on the one hand, listen, the media just
Speaker 1: made it impossible. I do think that's a lot of it.
Speaker 1: There was just a concerted media effort to say there
Speaker 1: is no Democratic primary, there is nothing even to look
Speaker 1: at here. Yeah, but Biden's week and maybe it'd be
Speaker 1: great if there was a challenger, but there's no challenger,
Speaker 1: even as there are literally challengers in the race.
Speaker 3: But again, I think if you had.
Speaker 1: A unified effort from the beginning, you could have potentially
Speaker 1: overcome that media blackout, and there was more of an
Speaker 1: opportunity on the Democratic side than there really was on
Speaker 1: the Republican side.
Speaker 2: This is where I think machine politics has come into play,
Speaker 2: where the machine was not as actually stronger I think
Speaker 2: today than it was in the past. And you can
Speaker 2: look at the Carter Kennedy election for an example where yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it's just because Kennedy was literal of
Speaker 2: royalty in the party at that time and nobody could
Speaker 2: tell him not to even though the majority didn't want
Speaker 2: him to run. It listened to the Democratic Party establishment,
Speaker 2: but he had enough money and he was able to
Speaker 2: mount a serious campaign and went for a pretty long time.
Speaker 2: But the thing is is that with Kennedy, Kennedy recognized
Speaker 2: Carter's unpopularity and lack of strength a year a year
Speaker 2: and a half into the actual race, and so that's
Speaker 2: why he mounted up from the beginning. He said, there's
Speaker 2: no way this guy's going to win. At nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: and he was correct about that. He mounted an electability case.
Speaker 2: He said, if we're actually going to be, you know,
Speaker 2: going forward, you've got to look at the way this
Speaker 2: man has led the country. It's been a total disaster.
Speaker 2: He's going to get his ass kicked, you know, in
Speaker 2: the election. The problem was is nobody had really the
Speaker 2: strength to say that from all the beginning, unless you were,
Speaker 2: you know, literally an independent media or somewhere else in
Speaker 2: the MSNBC, the Organs and all that. At least to
Speaker 2: their credit, the press at that time were forced to
Speaker 2: cover it, and they were a little bit more neutral too.
Speaker 2: It was the whole era of like pre cable and
Speaker 2: they were like, listen, you know, President Cardner's tremendously unpopular.
Speaker 2: Mister Kennedy says that he can't win, and he's going
Speaker 2: to run against him. Democratic voters ultimately did go with
Speaker 2: Carter after a pretty brutal campaign, but at least that
Speaker 2: argument was made. But that doesn't exist right now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the ability to even do that doesn't exist.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, one piece of this is that Democratic voters
Speaker 1: still really trust the mainstream press.
Speaker 2: Yeah betcha.
Speaker 1: And so that gives them a lot of power. We
Speaker 1: saw this in twenty twenty. Yeah, right when the mainstream
Speaker 1: press decided all right, Joe Biden's the guy, we're all
Speaker 1: lighting up behind him. The dominoes fell like that, I mean,
Speaker 1: tremendous shift against Bernie Sanders, like oh were literally overnight,
Speaker 1: and Joe Biden sweeps into the Democratic nomination, no problem.
Speaker 1: So that's one piece of the problem. The other thing is,
Speaker 1: you know, the challenger to Joe Biden from the beginning
Speaker 1: was Mary and Williamson, and because she doesn't have that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, elected DC credential, they found it easy to
Speaker 1: ignore her. So I think personally, somebody like Gavin Newsom
Speaker 1: should be kicking himself right now. I think if you
Speaker 1: had someone who was like a governor, you know, like
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer or whoever, who the media
Speaker 1: had built up as a quote unquote you know, certified
Speaker 1: serious person and they had the right credentials and whatever,
Speaker 1: I think it would be have been very difficult for
Speaker 1: them to completely.
Speaker 3: Ignore what was going on there.
Speaker 1: And I personally think there was an opportunity for someone
Speaker 1: like that if they jumped in the race early on
Speaker 1: and were consistently making the case in a nice way,
Speaker 1: not a mean way against Joe Biden, but about like, listen,
Speaker 1: he's right, the democracy is on the line. He's right,
Speaker 1: the Trump is this existential threat. He's right that we
Speaker 1: have to do everything we can to win. Thank you
Speaker 1: for doing that for us in twenty twenty. Now it's
Speaker 1: time to hand the ball off to the next generation.
Speaker 1: Who was more able to do that.
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: I do think there was an opportunity for that, but
Speaker 1: they very effectively kept everybody within the elected democratic establishment
Speaker 1: in line. They kept them in line, and that Joe
Speaker 1: Biden then, even though it was like a house of
Speaker 1: cards waiting to be knocked over by you know, a
Speaker 1: stiff breeze, was able to remain assembled. And so now
Speaker 1: Democrats are like stuck with this dude, hobbled with him
Speaker 1: going into a general election. We'll say he may still win.
Speaker 1: Trump is also a terrible candidate and people really hate him.
Speaker 1: He may still win, but they have made it so
Speaker 1: much less certain and are playing an incredibly we can
Speaker 1: with a man who you know, consistently can't formulate a sentence,
Speaker 1: they can't be confident in putting him out even for
Speaker 1: like the friendliest of interviews. He's incapable of campaigning. If
Speaker 1: he does do debates, it's going to be a bloodbath
Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. This is the hand that Democrats have
Speaker 1: decided to play.
Speaker 2: Well, Christal, Look, if he does lose, at least you
Speaker 2: can say I told you so, And I will say
Speaker 2: a lot of people like Newsome and Whitmer and all them,
Speaker 2: They're gonna have a lot less credibility if he does lose,
Speaker 2: because people will be like, hey, man, where the hell
Speaker 2: were you? And in that chaos you know from the
Speaker 2: ashes arise in Phoenix, So you never know. I mean,
Speaker 2: I can be very hopeful. The more likely is that
Speaker 2: we're going to come up with like Russia Gate nine
Speaker 2: point zero, and that we'll have a whole of entire
Speaker 2: different scenario where we know some fake stop the steal
Speaker 2: on the Democratic side. That's actually a most likely scenario
Speaker 2: given what happened in the past.
Speaker 3: There's nothing I can share for at this point. It's
Speaker 3: just like, well, we'll see what happened.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed chaos personally, Okay, christl what are you taking
Speaker 2: a look at?
Speaker 1: In a sign of the vapid, degraded and pitiful nature
Speaker 1: of our public discourse. A facile speech seemingly written by
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old upon their first encounter with iin
Speaker 1: Rand has dazzled the world's billionaire class and quite a
Speaker 1: few way too online fanboys, up to and including their leader,
Speaker 1: Elon musk New. Argentine President Javier Malay took a break
Speaker 1: from banning protests, laying off thousands of workers and spiking
Speaker 1: inflation over two hundred percent to come preach the gospel
Speaker 1: of neoliberalism to the choir at.
Speaker 3: The World Economic Forum in Davos.
Speaker 1: Now, of course, annually at Davos, the world elite gathers
Speaker 1: alongside their political pawns, their media enablers, and grifter wannabes
Speaker 1: to see what they can do to further extract global wealth,
Speaker 1: expand their monopolies, and solidify control over world affairs. These deals,
Speaker 1: which are the real action of the event, occur behind
Speaker 1: closed doors, while the public face of Davos is a
Speaker 1: fake do gooderism, where the very people creating many of
Speaker 1: the problems of the world, from war to hunger to
Speaker 1: climate catastrophe wring their hands about these very issues. Apparently, However,
Speaker 1: even this pretense of benevolence has become too much for
Speaker 1: the world's billionaire class. Judging by the rapturous reception of
Speaker 1: Javier Malay, World Economic Forum had Clush Schwab gave Malay
Speaker 1: a fawning introduction, louding the quote new spirit he had
Speaker 1: brought to Argentina. This new spirit, by the way, is
Speaker 1: just the same old neoliberal shop doctrine that the West
Speaker 1: has long imposed on developing nations. Malay's message to this
Speaker 1: group can be summed.
Speaker 3: Up in three words. Greed is good to governments.
Speaker 2: Get out of the.
Speaker 1: Way and let the world's oligarchs extract wealth to their
Speaker 1: hearts content to the billionaires who do he described as heroes.
Speaker 1: Keep doing what you're doing. You can see why they
Speaker 1: love them so much. Who wouldn't want to hear their
Speaker 1: vice loud it as virtue.
Speaker 11: Therefore, in concluding, I would like to leave a message
Speaker 11: for all business people here and for those who are
Speaker 11: not here in person but are following from around the world.
Speaker 11: Do not be intimidated, intimidated either by the political class
Speaker 11: or by parasites who live off the state. Do not
Speaker 11: surrender to a political class that only wants to stay
Speaker 11: in power and retain its privileges. You are social benefactors,
Speaker 11: your heroes.
Speaker 2: You're the creators of.
Speaker 11: The most extraordinary period of prosperity we've ever seen. Let
Speaker 11: no one tell you that your ambition and moral. If
Speaker 11: you make money, it's because you offer a better product
Speaker 11: at a better price, thereby contributing to general well being.
Speaker 11: Do not surrender to the advance of the state. The
Speaker 11: state is not the solution. The state is the problem itself.
Speaker 11: You are the true protagonists of this story, and rest
Speaker 11: as showed that as from today, Argentina is your staunch,
Speaker 11: unconditional ar now.
Speaker 1: His message was both radical and completely supportive of the
Speaker 1: status quo, because the status quo ideology of the ruler
Speaker 1: class is in fact quite radical. As a politician, he
Speaker 1: is telling them powerful he will be their lackey. He
Speaker 1: will strip the power of the state and imperfect but
Speaker 1: theoretically democratic institution we're in. Citizens at least have a
Speaker 1: shot at exerting influence and hand it to multinational corporations
Speaker 1: headed by a short sighted and self interested billionaire class.
Speaker 1: I'm struck by the childlike fairy tale nature of the
Speaker 1: story he tells and what it says about our infantile
Speaker 1: rulers that they lap it up like hungry puppy dogs.
Speaker 1: Malay paints a picture of extraordinary men made wealthy by
Speaker 1: cre innovating, designing products to benefit the whole world, when
Speaker 1: in reality, every year, if you take a look, the
Speaker 1: most new billionaires come from the finance sector, people who
Speaker 1: are only skilled at new creative methods of extraction and
Speaker 1: mathematical trickery, whose innovations are designing new exotic financial instruments
Speaker 1: like credit default swaps that eventually blow up the entire
Speaker 1: world economy. In Malay's billionaire bedtime story, there is no
Speaker 1: such thing as market failures.
Speaker 3: He says this explicitly, so.
Speaker 1: Any and all regulation is both unnecessary and wrong. He
Speaker 1: specifically argues that even one of the classic examples of
Speaker 1: market failures, the monopoly, is actually a good thing not
Speaker 1: to be messed with. Given the large number of monopolists
Speaker 1: in attendance, I'm sure this message was like chicken soup
Speaker 1: for their greedy souls. Anyone, of course, with a basic
Speaker 1: grasp of reality outside of an imagined libertarian fantasy world,
Speaker 1: can see that this attack on literally all market regulation
Speaker 1: is insane, unless, of course, you're a fan of Deckenzian style,
Speaker 1: child labor, indentured servitude, and poison food and water. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I've ever seen this particular fantasy deflated as
Speaker 1: quickly as in this infamous clip of Joe Rogan educating
Speaker 1: Dave Ruben on the need for building codes.
Speaker 12: Just take a listen, what problem would you have? Everything
Speaker 12: you're building here right now right? Do you want the
Speaker 12: government to tell you how to do all these things?
Speaker 12: And all the regulations that you got to have your
Speaker 12: electric thing this far from this, and like.
Speaker 8: All the regulations like that for construction are important. Though
Speaker 8: you do have to make sure that people don't do
Speaker 8: stupid shit but have a power lines near a water line.
Speaker 12: There's a lot of but I would put most of
Speaker 12: that on the builders though they want to build things
Speaker 12: that are good.
Speaker 8: Now, I get all, that's not true. Listen, people, people
Speaker 8: are going to corners all the time. Like, you have
Speaker 8: to have regulations when it comes to construction methods or
Speaker 8: people are gonna get fucked.
Speaker 12: They cut regulation. They cut corners when there are regulations.
Speaker 8: Anyway they do. They would cut a lot more if
Speaker 8: there weren't regulations. I'm not totally the Third world countries
Speaker 8: and look at construction methods. They're fucking dangerous. Yeah, that's
Speaker 8: why schools collapse on kids in foreign countries sometimes. I
Speaker 8: was in construction my whole life. My dad's an architect.
Speaker 8: I've been in construction since I was a little kid.
Speaker 8: You fucking need regulations. These guys. A lot of people
Speaker 8: that are in construction, they'll do whatever the fuck they
Speaker 8: can to make money. And it's not good for the
Speaker 8: people that have the house, because they might have that
Speaker 8: house for five ten years before that problem manifests itself.
Speaker 8: The people who are establishing these codes are licensed builders
Speaker 8: or people that have been involved in construction for a
Speaker 8: long fucking time, and they know what's safe and what's
Speaker 8: not safe. That's why those codes exist. It exists to
Speaker 8: protect the consumers.
Speaker 1: Perfect example there. I could give you thousands of similar instances,
Speaker 1: from the unregulated Titanic submersible to kids getting sucked into
Speaker 1: meat grinders, to the Great Depression and the Great Recession,
Speaker 1: to the old company towns where workers were paid in
Speaker 1: script and forced into permanent debt so they could never
Speaker 1: leave their brutal jobs until they died from black lung
Speaker 1: at age forty. And the big picture of no regulation
Speaker 1: just looks like an acceleration of the absolute worst of
Speaker 1: what we've got right now, governments which are even more
Speaker 1: corrupt and undemocratic, wild inequality, where billionaires construct multimillion dollar
Speaker 1: bunkers to escape the apocalypse they are helping to usher in,
Speaker 1: while the vast majority are locked out of the basics
Speaker 1: of food, shelter, and healthcare, and a deep moral rot
Speaker 1: that would place human worth, creativity, and flourishing below the
Speaker 1: demands of the profit margin and the needs of Malay's
Speaker 1: billionaire heroes. Now, Malay is, after all, a man who
Speaker 1: would buy and sell human organs, so he is perfectly
Speaker 1: willing to literally put a price on humanity. In a
Speaker 1: particularly nonsensical part of his speech, Malay equates communist Nazis, fascists, socialists,
Speaker 1: social democrats, national socialists, Christian democrats, Kanesians, Neo Kanesians, progressives,
Speaker 1: populist nationalists, and globalist, saying quote in the end, there's
Speaker 1: no substantive difference. The preposterous nature of racing theme the
Speaker 1: clear differences between a very wide range of ideologies goes
Speaker 1: without saying unless you are a literal child or a
Speaker 1: member of the oligarch class, which Malay services But there's
Speaker 1: a reason why these elites are so excited to hear
Speaker 1: all of this and to see moderate reformists like Progressives
Speaker 1: equated with radical evils like Nazism, and it's because they
Speaker 1: feel themselves under siege by some of these name checked movements.
Speaker 1: After all, the greatest good, radical libertarianism that Malay espouses
Speaker 1: and which had been ascended in America since Goldwater enforced
Speaker 1: on much of the rest of the world since Reagan,
Speaker 1: has been repeatedly rebuked by regular people all around the world.
Speaker 1: Look at the wellspring of radical billionaire friendly market radicalism
Speaker 1: the Republican Party itself, and you can see how these
Speaker 1: ideas have been rejected in practice. Trump has largely continued
Speaker 1: the reaganlike policy of the past, with a few exceptions,
Speaker 1: but he became the load star of American politics by
Speaker 1: advocating for a clean break from that neoliberal market radical era.
Speaker 1: Young Americans, who have been thoroughly failed by Malay style
Speaker 1: market radicalism, are even more clear in their rejection of
Speaker 1: this model. The speech also arrives at a moment when
Speaker 1: a decisive conflict is brewing between the needs of humanity
Speaker 1: and the needs of the market and owner class, with
Speaker 1: the advent of.
Speaker 3: Super intelligent AI.
Speaker 1: It is clear that in this potentially existential battle, Malay's
Speaker 1: view is to hell with the humans. It is therefore
Speaker 1: a diseased mind which could with a straight face call
Speaker 1: any of this freedom as Malay does. Free to work
Speaker 1: all your days for global monopolists who set all the
Speaker 1: terms of your exploitation, unless God forbid, you are unable
Speaker 1: to work, or a robot eliminates your usefulness, and then.
Speaker 3: You are free to quietly die.
Speaker 1: Don't be fooled into thinking this man is some sort
Speaker 1: of truth teller or challenge to power. The adoration of
Speaker 1: the Davo set tells you everything you need to know
Speaker 1: about who his ideology actually serves, whose freedom actually preserves,
Speaker 1: and in that ideology, you are just a liability on
Speaker 1: a billionaire's ballance sheet.
Speaker 2: And Sager and if you want to hear my reaction
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Speaker 2: dot com. There's a lot of weird things that happened
Speaker 2: on January sixth, likely federal agents instigators in the crowd protesters.
Speaker 2: The Way said protesters have been prosecuted since the event.
Speaker 2: The Way that the media has even treated it. But
Speaker 2: perhaps the weirdest of all is the plotline that has
Speaker 2: mostly disappeared from view and could actually shed light on
Speaker 2: some of the deeper questions of the day. What happened
Speaker 2: to the so called pipe bomb investigation? The FBI is
Speaker 2: part of their investigation, claimed that on January fifth, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, more than three years ago now, an unidentified
Speaker 2: hooded man planted pipe bombs at both the RNC and
Speaker 2: DNC headquarters on Capitol Hill, intending to cause damage as
Speaker 2: part of the protest. The pipe bomb was often discussed
Speaker 2: in the immediate aftermath of the attack, as it was
Speaker 2: a key piece of media evidence of the violent and
Speaker 2: tent of many protesters going into the day, rather than
Speaker 2: a spontaneous explosion of rage. Mysteriously, though, years later, as
Speaker 2: local DC media notes that pipe bomber has never been caught,
Speaker 2: despite many protesters being identified by tapping phone records, using
Speaker 2: facial recognition software and every other spyware known to man,
Speaker 2: it simply disappeared as a talking point and we're supposed
Speaker 2: to just forget about it somehow, But some interesting new
Speaker 2: evidence an analysis has actually come to light that questions
Speaker 2: a lot of this footage of the Capitol Hill area
Speaker 2: on the day of the alleged bomb was discovered shows
Speaker 2: that approximately at one oh five pm, in broad daylight,
Speaker 2: a man in a backpack approaches nearby police and Secret
Speaker 2: Service agents to tell them that he thinks that there
Speaker 2: is a bomb that is currently nearby a bench in
Speaker 2: the DNC. That man, it was later revealed, is a
Speaker 2: plane clothes Capitol Police officer. The officers in the video,
Speaker 2: which was released in the Congressman Thomas Massey, do not
Speaker 2: immediately react when they're told this alarming information. Now, keep
Speaker 2: this in mind, Vice President Kamala Harris is actually inside
Speaker 2: of the building at this time. They are supposed to
Speaker 2: be on high alert, and yet, as Darren Beatty at
Speaker 2: Revolver News notes, quote, note how casual and unperturbed both
Speaker 2: the Metro officers and Secret Service officers are. Ask yourself
Speaker 2: whether this is how you would imagine the Secret Service
Speaker 2: would normally respond to the discovery of a bomb right
Speaker 2: outside of the building housing their protectee. Now, the bomb
Speaker 2: first appears on camera approximately five minutes after the police
Speaker 2: were tipped off. After that, police officers still allow actually
Speaker 2: a passing group of pedestrians including kids, to walk by.
Speaker 2: A police officer then walks up to the bomb. He
Speaker 2: takes a photo of it, then before alerting others, that
Speaker 2: holds up his thumbs up. The video actually cuts off
Speaker 2: right around there, but the facts we can take away
Speaker 2: are this, the cops were tipped off to the presence
Speaker 2: of the bomb by an undercover cop in a hoodie
Speaker 2: that did not appear at all alarmed by it, even
Speaker 2: though the Vice president was inside the building. Three years later,
Speaker 2: nobody knows who this man was, and they also don't
Speaker 2: know who planted the bomb. The rest of the facts
Speaker 2: are pretty crazy, as Darren Beatty has written, The official
Speaker 2: narrative from the fbis that the pipe bomb was actually
Speaker 2: placed on the bench outside of the DNC at seven
Speaker 2: fifty two PM that was the night before, by a
Speaker 2: man in a hoodie. It was not discovered until a
Speaker 2: full seventeen hours later when the tip off came add
Speaker 2: in this detail, the pipe bomb was one of two.
Speaker 2: It's a mere fifteen minutes earlier at twelve forty pm,
Speaker 2: a random pedestrian allegedly nearby found the first at a
Speaker 2: Capitol Hill club in Washington, d C, which is nearby
Speaker 2: to this location, meaning that the two bombs, which were
Speaker 2: allegedly placed there seventeen hours earlier, according to the authorities,
Speaker 2: were somehow discovered within mere mintage of each other. Even stranger,
Speaker 2: according to the report, is that the two pipe bombs
Speaker 2: were equipped with one hour mechanical timers, so while they
Speaker 2: included live explosive material, if they were planted seventeen hours earlier,
Speaker 2: they were never actually seriously armed to explode because they
Speaker 2: literally couldn't. All of this let's just slay it's odd,
Speaker 2: doesn't prove anything, but it gives us a few possible scenarios.
Speaker 2: Number one is that this is a total and complete
Speaker 2: incompetence on the part of law enforcement. It is possible unlikely,
Speaker 2: though in my opinion, catching the so called pipe bomber
Speaker 2: would have been a huge headline for the FBI, Joe Biden,
Speaker 2: and the media. They were able to catch maga grandma's
Speaker 2: and people wearing masks who walk through the Capitol, but
Speaker 2: they can't find someone who allegedly tried to vomit. According
Speaker 2: to the FBI, the January sixth investigation is the largest
Speaker 2: in the history of the bureau. This is one where
Speaker 2: lack of resources and attention after the fact is just
Speaker 2: not a viable explanation. The other that Revolver puts forwards
Speaker 2: as somehow this was somehow known to law enforcement, that
Speaker 2: perhaps the reason the police did not immediately act is
Speaker 2: because they knew it was BS, or that perhaps the
Speaker 2: Capitol Police officer who tipped off the cops is the
Speaker 2: one who in the hood planted himself. One easy way
Speaker 2: is to just talk to that man. Three years later,
Speaker 2: we don't even know the idea or the name of
Speaker 2: that Capitol Police officer. It has never even been released,
Speaker 2: despite many questions from members of Congress. So that's where
Speaker 2: we just leave a few things. I mean, I wrote
Speaker 2: this monologue exactly three years after Joe Biden took the
Speaker 2: oath of office, when this was one of the biggest
Speaker 2: stories in the world, and yet it's mostly disappeared. And
Speaker 2: to be clear, that doesn't mean nothing bad happened on
Speaker 2: January sixth, and the people involved are not responsible for
Speaker 2: their actions. But it does mean that within the cloud
Speaker 2: of all of this, as with many tumultuous events, there
Speaker 2: are major parts of the story that do not pass
Speaker 2: the smell tests, and ones that need to be investigated.
Speaker 2: To this day to date, nobody but revolver. Few other
Speaker 2: independent journalists have even touched this story. The reasons are
Speaker 2: obvious if you dig deep, it's pretty clear where some
Speaker 2: of these things are going to land. Chris what I
Speaker 2: mean one of the things I even discovered and.
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