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Speaker 2: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody,

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Speaker 2: Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 2: What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 3: Indeed, we do lots going on this week.

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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis officially out of the presidential campaign.

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Speaker 3: Can't say that we didn't call it, but.

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Speaker 2: Anyway certainly called it.

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Speaker 1: We lot's to get into you there. We also have

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Speaker 1: some intrigue on the Democratic side. Dean Phillips, at least

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Speaker 1: according to one poll, may be surging in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: Biden's having to waged this weird writing campaign but also

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Speaker 1: pretend like it's not campaigning.

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Speaker 3: So we'll tell you about those dynamics as well.

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Speaker 1: And then, of course, there are a lot of updates

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Speaker 1: with regard to Israel and the broader war that now

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Speaker 1: is in full of fact. We've gotten use that the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration is planning for a sustained military campaign against

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Speaker 1: the hoo thasel though don't call it a war, even

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Speaker 1: though what is exactly the war if it's not just

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Speaker 1: continuing to bomb and exchange hostilities with another actor. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: we'll get into that and bb Netanyahu continues to humiliate

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration once again, proclaiming I don't know why

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Speaker 1: this is a mystery to anyone, that he is absolutely

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Speaker 1: opposed to the establishment of a pales demane state. This

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Speaker 1: comes on the heels of Biden insisting that he thinks

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Speaker 1: somehow he's going to be able to persuade Bibe that

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Speaker 3: We'll tell you about that.

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Speaker 1: I'm taking a look at Malaya's speech at the World

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Speaker 1: Economic Forum. Sager is taking a look at some mysteries

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Speaker 1: surrounding that pipe bomb outside of the DNC headquarters back

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Speaker 1: on January sixth.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of intrigue this morning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Also, don't forget Shelby Talcott should be

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Speaker 2: joining us from Semopore, so that'll be fun. We've got

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Speaker 2: a guest in the show. I got two monologues. Lots

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Speaker 2: of things are going on here. Fact, we also have

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Speaker 2: a discount currently going on for our election season. We

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Speaker 2: blanketed the Midwest also blanketed us here in Washington and Chrystally,

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Speaker 2: you are doing a live stream tonight with a couple

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Speaker 2: of friends that we should flag for everyone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So myself, Katie Helper Brion and Joy Gray, we are

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Speaker 1: all teaming up to do a live stream with Mueen

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Speaker 1: Rabani and Norman Finkelstein to really break down the ICJ

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Speaker 1: excited to talk to all of them and break all

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Speaker 1: a few hours and get into all of those things.

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Speaker 2: Good luck to you for staying up well. Passed my mos.

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Speaker 3: I told them ten o'clock is hard clock.

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Speaker 2: I can't stay in five two hours at ten o'clock.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy. All right, let's get to the election. As

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Speaker 2: we mentioned, I did a breaking news last night, Governor

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Speaker 2: His main I guess contender against him, who was not

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Speaker 4: We just heard that Ron de Santus has dropped out

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Speaker 4: He's been a good governor and we wish him well.

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Speaker 4: Having said that, it's now one fella and one lady left,

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Speaker 5: The name Ron the sanctimonious?

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Speaker 6: I said that name is officially retired.

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Speaker 2: So Trump has officially retired. Personally, never thought it was

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Speaker 2: But those are the two immediates. Now we've got basically

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Speaker 2: Trump kind of making this evidence. He's been attacking Nicki

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Speaker 6: By the way, they never report the crowd on January sixth.

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Speaker 6: You know Nicki Helly, Nikki Haley, Nicki Haley. You know

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Speaker 6: of it because of lots of things like Nicki Haley

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Speaker 2: So we think Crystal He was referring to Nancy Pelosi.

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Speaker 7: We need a president for eight years, even if you

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Speaker 7: have a president for four years. The man was going

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Speaker 7: on a rant about how I was keeping Capitol police

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Speaker 7: do with the Capital. It's things like that. He said

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Speaker 7: multiple times that he ran against President Obama. He didn't

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Speaker 7: when you're eighty, that's what happens. You're just not as

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Speaker 7: sharp as you used to be. This is not personal,

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Speaker 7: y'all know. I voted for him twice. I was proud

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Speaker 7: to serve in this administration. This is the fact that

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Speaker 7: we have a country in disarray and a world on fire,

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Speaker 7: our kids options of two eighty year olds going into

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Speaker 2: A little bit more of a general election argument there, Crystal,

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Speaker 2: because I don't think a lot of Republicans feel that

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Speaker 2: DeSantis is out of the race. We certainly did call it.

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Speaker 1: And in addition, perhaps his strongest argument to make was electability.

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Speaker 3: Look at the scoreboard.

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Speaker 1: Not only did you have the example of him on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and look, Trump is just has the

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Speaker 2: on the screen. This is the line for people to

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Speaker 2: get into the Trump rally in New Hampshire, where the

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Speaker 2: feels like is one degree fahrenheit. It is literally almost

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Speaker 2: In Manchester, people were lining up for hours to get

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Speaker 2: something that you've never seen anything like that in modern politics.

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Speaker 2: And look, the only place you have seen at Crystal,

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Speaker 2: like you said, is amongst Democrats who hate Trump, and

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Speaker 2: when they're willing to line up there and they ain't

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Speaker 2: lining up for Joe Biden, they're lining up to vote

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Speaker 2: against Donald Trump to chant, you know, wearing the you know,

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Speaker 2: marchin also, there's nothing wrong with that. It just shows

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Speaker 2: you that it's the inverse right of the inspiration that

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Speaker 2: that he applies for others. The thing is as you

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Speaker 2: said too, in the state of New Hampshire. Just to

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Speaker 2: it's certainly possible. New Hampshire is a tough state to poll.

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Speaker 2: have defied with some expectations this time around. Obviously, Iowa

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Speaker 1: Yes, the real question, it's possible, Right, it's possible she

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Speaker 2: I saw someone say that. I think is Harry Anton,

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Speaker 2: He's one of the better pulling analysts. He was like, look, guys,

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Speaker 2: I mean, basically, we haven't seen something like this. I mean, technically,

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Speaker 1: Difficult to pull in the state of New Hampshire, because

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Speaker 2: As you said to you know, slip up every once

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Speaker 2: your words exactly. Yeah. But in the pattern that we've

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Speaker 3: Yeah they're running.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I also have seen there have been all these

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Speaker 2: Oh the lead golf source from it golfs all the time?

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Speaker 1: Oh is that what it is?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I have golfed enough now to know you wear

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Speaker 1: He is, in fact, even though it doesn't all often

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Speaker 1: So I don't think that's like totally to be dismissed.

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Speaker 2: You're going to join us to about the demise of

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Speaker 2: the Dessantas campaign. Joining us now is political reporter for Semaphore,

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Speaker 2: and she is joining us alive from the state of

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Speaker 2: New Hampshire. So he wrote an interesting new piece. Let's

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Speaker 2: put it up there on the screen. Thirteen reasons why

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Speaker 2: Just tell us a little bit about what you described.

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Speaker 2: Were you surprised yesterday when DeSantis dropped out. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you guys were hearing things almost imminently about what was

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Speaker 2: coming forward. But being on the ground there in the state,

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Speaker 2: did it make sense for him to do so?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it absolutely made sense. I mean, he had actually

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Speaker 9: left the state of New Hampshire to go campaign in

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Speaker 9: South Carolina, partially because there really was no path for

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Speaker 9: him here in New Hampshire, and he was sort of

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Speaker 9: hoping that there would be a path for him in

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Speaker 9: South Carolina and that he could have at least a

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Speaker 9: few days head start. The problem is, I heard that

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Speaker 9: a few days ago he got some bad South Carolina

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Speaker 9: internals that played a role in him ultimately deciding to

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Speaker 9: drop out. He had been planning on coming back here

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Speaker 9: to New Hampshire, but really it felt like after Iowa

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Speaker 9: his campaign was sort of lost. They didn't really have

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Speaker 9: a clear path forward because there really was no clear

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Speaker 9: path forward. And as I wrote, there are multiple reasons

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Speaker 9: why his campaign sort of failed to launch. It started

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Speaker 9: before he even got into the race. He took heavy

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Speaker 9: fire from Donald Trump and he didn't reply to it.

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Speaker 5: He had that disastrous launch on X.

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Speaker 9: Once he launched, he was he had sort of a

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Speaker 9: bloated campaign that he was forced to downsize pretty quickly,

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Speaker 9: and instead of downsizing in just one news cycle, he

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Speaker 9: did it in several news cycles, which, of course nobody

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Speaker 9: wants three or four negative news cycles. The list goes on,

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Speaker 9: some of it his fault, some of it not his fault,

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Speaker 9: example being deadments, but ultimately it just wasn't meant to

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Speaker 9: be so out here on the ground, nobody was really

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Speaker 9: shocked that he decided to drop out before Tuesday happened.

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Speaker 2: Makes sense.

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Speaker 1: What is the cope coming from the Desanta's camp about

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Speaker 1: why this didn't come together for him.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think they maintain when I talk

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Speaker 9: to people from Team DeSantis, that he was the best

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Speaker 9: option for America, that he should have been president, but

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Speaker 9: that voters simply were not ready to move on from

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Speaker 9: Donald Trump, and.

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Speaker 5: That's sort of where they're at.

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Speaker 9: They're also really glad that he did end up dropping

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Speaker 9: out for New Hampshire, because I was talking to people

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Speaker 9: over the past few weeks, even before Iowa who really

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Speaker 9: wanted him to be president and still supported him and

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Speaker 9: had this sort of I'm going to go down with

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Speaker 9: the ship mentality. But also we're concerned because they wanted

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Speaker 9: him to drop out to save himself for twenty eight

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Speaker 9: and so there's sort of relief within DeSantis world at

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Speaker 9: this point because they believe that he has successfully saved

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Speaker 9: himself and can run again when Americans are ready and

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Speaker 9: when you know the country has perhaps moved past a

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Speaker 9: Donald Trump presidency.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see. So, Shelby, you are on the ground

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Speaker 2: in New Hampshire, So can you just tell us a

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Speaker 2: little bit about like what the dynamics are with Nicki Haley.

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Speaker 2: Certainly we see that she has come up in the polls,

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Speaker 2: but we also see Trump, you know, really consolidating fifty

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Speaker 2: odds some percent and possibly even higher so in the

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Speaker 2: days now so day, I guess since DeSantis dropped out,

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Speaker 2: what was the reaction like to people expect all those

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Speaker 2: voters to go to Trump or what's the general consensus?

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Speaker 9: Losanta's didn't have that much voter support to begin with

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Speaker 9: here in New Hampshire, but the anticipation is that much,

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Speaker 9: if not all, of those are going to go to

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Speaker 9: Donald Trump, And in New Hampshire, you know every percentage

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Speaker 9: point is going to count. I will say Donald Trump's

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Speaker 9: team is feeling very confident, very happy right now, especially

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Speaker 9: with Desanti's dropping out, less so because of the percentage

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Speaker 9: points that it gives him, and more so because of

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Speaker 9: the sort of overarching theme and mentality that it brings.

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Speaker 9: Donald Trump has brought a slew of South Carolina here

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Speaker 9: to endorse him and to to sort of knock down

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Speaker 9: Nikki Haley in that sense, and it's less about getting

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Speaker 9: votes and more about just that idea that he is

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Speaker 9: so strong that Nikki Haley has no chance and sort

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Speaker 9: of trying to sow doubt in voter's minds here in

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Speaker 9: New Hampshire before they actually come out and vote now.

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Speaker 9: I will say Nikki Haley argues that she's feeling very

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Speaker 9: confident she has that sort of undecided voter base locked up.

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Speaker 9: At the same time, her team has sort of been

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Speaker 9: tempering expectations from a win here in New Hampshire to

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Speaker 9: a strong second place finish, which, of course, you know

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Speaker 9: always sort of indicates something to me.

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Speaker 5: So we will see.

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Speaker 1: What do you think her end game is here, Shelby,

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Speaker 1: Because she's not gonna be the Republican nominee. I mean,

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Speaker 1: even she wins in New Hampshire, she's way behind in

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Speaker 1: her home state of South Carolina, which is next, and

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Speaker 1: that's her next best performance in the country. There's no

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Speaker 1: other state where she's even anywhere close. It does not

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Speaker 1: appear that there's some like group waiting in the Republican

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Speaker 1: primary to have the permission to vote for Nikki Haley.

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Speaker 1: Republicans like Donald Trump. And you know that's like very

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Speaker 1: clear at this point. So what do you think her

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Speaker 1: play is. Does she want to remainant relevant Republican politics?

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Speaker 1: Does she want a media gig? Does she want to

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Speaker 1: be Trump's VP? What do you think her end game

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Speaker 1: thinking is at this point?

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Speaker 9: I mean, that's the ultimate question, right, because I do

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Speaker 9: agree with you. I think a few months ago there

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Speaker 9: was sort of some deliver of hope that if she

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Speaker 9: did really well in Iowa, had a second place finished,

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Speaker 9: she did not did really well here and won, that

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Speaker 9: there would be sort of this sect of people in

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Speaker 9: South Carolina who had just been waiting for permission to

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Speaker 9: vote for her.

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Speaker 5: That doesn't seem to be reality.

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Speaker 9: And so that's one of Trump team's arguments is she

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Speaker 9: really has no path forward. When I've talked to them

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Speaker 9: about the vice presidential pick. She told a pair of

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Speaker 9: voters this week in New Hampshire that she was out

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Speaker 9: on VP. That is not something she wants. Of course,

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Speaker 9: every candidate says that. I think until the opportunity arises.

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Speaker 9: At the same time, I've talked to Trump folks who say,

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Speaker 9: we listen, we've been so aggressive at Nikki Haley, it's

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Speaker 9: gonna be hard to put that sort of thing back

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Speaker 9: in the box. So I don't know where she goes

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Speaker 9: from here. She has sort of distanced herself from that

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Speaker 9: MAGA movement, and in a way, there's not really a

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Speaker 9: place for her in this kind of Republican party.

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Speaker 2: Quite frankly, no I think that's a great point. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we originally were going to talk to you about some

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Speaker 2: beepsteaks and what things were looking like inside the Trump

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Speaker 2: team and what their thoughts are. So can you just

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Speaker 2: give us a general sense. I've seen at least Dephonics

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Speaker 2: name floated. I know online it's popular to say it's

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Speaker 2: going to be Vivague. I personally don't see that happening,

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Speaker 2: but maybe I'm wrong. What do you think?

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Speaker 9: I also don't see it happening, partially because he's so green.

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Speaker 9: Trump's team has always been talking about they want someone

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Speaker 9: who knows what they're doing.

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Speaker 5: That's part of the reason.

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Speaker 9: I also don't think it's going to be carry Lake,

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Speaker 9: because he wants someone who is a quote unquote winner.

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Speaker 5: He's looking for loyalty.

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Speaker 9: First, of course, especially after this Mike Pence thing where

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Speaker 9: he felt like Mike Pence was disloyal, so that's the

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Speaker 9: number one thing.

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Speaker 5: But he also wants someone who's.

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Speaker 9: Not going to necessarily outshine him in the media. And

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Speaker 9: all of these names that are floating around a leash, Stephonic,

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Speaker 9: jd Vance, Sarah Sanders, they're all in the mix. But

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Speaker 9: I think it's really important to note that every time

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Speaker 9: one of these media stories pops up. Right now, it

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Speaker 9: is accurate Donald Trump is asking around about these people.

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, that's what he does.

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Speaker 9: Anytime somebody does something he likes, it piques his interests,

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Speaker 9: he pulls people.

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Speaker 5: He pulls people.

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Speaker 9: At mar a Lago, at dinner, he pulls his aids.

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Speaker 9: And so I would caution to read too much into

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Speaker 9: these sorts of media stories. It's clear that he has

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Speaker 9: some sort of general list, but that list has not

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Speaker 9: been finalized. And this is what he does. He likes

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Speaker 9: the media questioning who he's going to be. It keeps

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Speaker 9: him in the news cycle. He doesn't have to do anything.

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Speaker 9: And he also likes sort of sitting back and watching

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Speaker 9: these these VP.

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Speaker 5: Hopeful sort of fight for it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's the next stage that we're starting to see

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Speaker 9: here in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Cool.

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Speaker 1: And lastly, Shelby, you know you mentioned before that some

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Speaker 1: of Ronda Santas's biggest supporters were glad he pulled out

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Speaker 1: now to preserve his chances for twenty twenty eight. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about his chances for the future

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Speaker 1: in the Republican Party. How does the Republican base feel

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Speaker 1: about him. How does the donor set feel about him,

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Speaker 1: because they sort of, you know, abandoned him for Nikki

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Speaker 1: Haley in the middle of this race. I think most

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Speaker 1: people you know would agree with your assessment that the

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Speaker 1: campaign was very poorly run. He was an awkward campaigner

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Speaker 1: out on the stump, and so the war people saw

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Speaker 1: of him, the less they were interested in casting their

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Speaker 1: vote for him. So what do you think that Ron

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Speaker 1: de Santis' future looks like within the Republican Party.

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Speaker 9: I think one of the big things, quite frankly, is

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Speaker 9: that he has sort of gotten back into Trump's good

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Speaker 9: graces by endorsing him. That was certainly a strategic move. Partially,

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Speaker 9: he just had no interest in helping Nikki Haley was

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Speaker 9: very clear there's no love lost between those two. But

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Speaker 9: also I think, you know, if Donald Trump goes to

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Speaker 9: say he wins office in twenty twenty four, he's now

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Speaker 9: back on Donald Trump's good side, and that alone can

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Speaker 9: sort of help him get those maga type voters that

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Speaker 9: he failed.

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Speaker 5: To get this time around.

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Speaker 9: At the same time, you think twenty twenty eight, there's

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Speaker 9: going to be a whole number of new top Republicans

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Speaker 9: that opted not to get in this cycle, who are

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Speaker 9: going to be really tough to beat, you know, Glenn

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Speaker 9: Yenkin types. So it's going to be really interesting to

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Speaker 9: see if he can in the next several years sort

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Speaker 9: of refine that awkward persona and learn from his mistakes

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Speaker 9: enough to remain you know, the top twenty eight contender,

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Speaker 9: as so many people believe he still could be.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see what happens. As Trump often likes to say,

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Speaker 2: who knows, he may himself decide to endorse or run again.

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Speaker 3: You never know.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna guess Ron doesn't launch next time on

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Speaker 1: Twitter spaces.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's right. He's going to launch on the

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Speaker 2: Apple Vision Pro, on the Apple Vision Pro two point zero.

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Speaker 2: Good tell, I'm excited. I'm excited, all right, Shelby, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it. Thanks, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Turning now to the Democrats in the state of New Hampshire,

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Speaker 2: possibly the only real primary that we're going to get

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Speaker 2: this time around. Poles are looking interesting, so it's a

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Speaker 2: very difficult state to poll, especially because you've got Biden

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Speaker 2: running this strange ride in campaign. But things are not

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Speaker 2: looking terrible for Dean Phillips. Go and put this up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen. This is a brute and brand

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Speaker 2: new poll. This is from ARG the American Research Group,

647
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Speaker 2: rated as C plus from five thirty eight. But they

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Speaker 2: actually show Joe Biden at fifty four percent for a

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Speaker 2: ride in Dean Phillips at thirty two percent, seven percent

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Speaker 2: say they are undecided, four percent other three percent for

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Speaker 2: mary Anne Williamson. So, I mean, it's kind of interesting

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Speaker 2: that Phillips has seen a surge at least in recent times,

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Speaker 2: and Phillips himself is really like opening up all the

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Speaker 2: stops in terms of the stop Biden argument in the

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Speaker 2: same terms that I think jenk Uger has talked about

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Speaker 2: here on our show and others. He's like, look, there's

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Speaker 2: just no way that this man can beat Trump. I

658
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Speaker 2: just don't see it at all. He believes it, apparently

659
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Speaker 2: so much, he's even willing to float a no Labels bid.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up there, pretty interesting, basically saying that

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Speaker 2: if Biden is going to rig the primary against him

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Speaker 2: that on Saturday he said he would even consider running

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Speaker 2: on the ticket of No Labels, which is that centrist

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Speaker 2: group who we've interviewed here in the past exploring an

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Speaker 2: independent bid against Biden and against Trump. This was in

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Speaker 2: a New York Times interview. He said for the first

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Speaker 2: time that he was considering it, that he was in

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Speaker 2: regular communication with the group's chief executive, and that quote,

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Speaker 2: Democratic allies of President Biden have been alarmed by No Labels,

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Speaker 2: worrying that any candidate it runs could siphon off votes

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Speaker 2: for him. Phillips said this specifically, people are criticizing them

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Speaker 2: because they believe whomever will offer on their ticket will

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Speaker 2: hurt Biden. That's false. If they put someone at the

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Speaker 2: top the ticket who could actually drive votes away from

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, every Democrat in the USA should be celebrating it.

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Speaker 2: They have not made that determination. So he's running, you know,

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Speaker 2: very much on the rigged primary, saying that he's somebody

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Speaker 2: who he thinks that Biden certainly just can't win against

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Speaker 2: Trump at all. I actually don't think that's necessarily true,

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Speaker 2: Which is it's funny. The electability argument has been made

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Speaker 2: by Dems against Biden and by DeSantis and Haley against Trump,

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Speaker 2: and yet every poll shows that the two of them

683
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Speaker 2: are probably the strongest that they've been able to put

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Speaker 2: up from their own parties right now, which is pretty

685
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Speaker 2: difficult for them.

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Speaker 1: You mean that you think they're the strongest candidates to

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Speaker 1: win in the general AC should I disagree with well.

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Speaker 2: Within their own parties against each other. I mean, so,

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Speaker 2: for example, the idea that Trump cannot win against Biden

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Speaker 2: is ludicrous, because we've poles after poll that shows that

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Speaker 2: he possibly can. Yeah, Biden as well. I mean, Biden

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Speaker 2: certainly polls pretty well against Trump. We've seen the recent

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Speaker 2: Quinnipeac pole.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're the best by by far, but

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Speaker 2: I say within the realm of like what's available right now,

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Speaker 2: the two of them have certain strengths that some of

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Speaker 2: these others don't have.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I do think so like generic Democrat that's different.

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Speaker 1: Yea is like the living embodiment of generic Democrat does

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Speaker 1: better than Joe Biden. Generic Republican, and Nikki Haley in

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Speaker 1: most polls does better than Donald Trump does against Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: So I think if the Republicans nominated either On DeSantis

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Speaker 1: or Nikki Haley, which obviously DeSantis is not an option

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Speaker 1: now and Nikki Haley is barely an option at this point,

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Speaker 1: I think they would easily beat Joe Biden. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he would even stand a chance. I think probably

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Speaker 1: the only candidate that he has a chance against is

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And Trump I mean likewise, probably the only

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Speaker 1: candidate he really stands a chance against is Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: because of his weakness. But one thing I would say is,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Democratic Party base is very unsure about

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden going up against Donald Trump again. They feel

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Speaker 1: very insured that he can win once again. They feel

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Speaker 1: very unsure about his capability of serving another full term

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Speaker 1: in office. But they have not really the media has

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Speaker 1: made sure that they are not aware that there are

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Speaker 1: even other options. And let's be fair too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Dean Phillips came into this race quite late. He has

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Speaker 1: been a little bit all over the map. I want

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Speaker 1: to be charitable towards him because, you know, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: him for a variety of reasons getting in this race.

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Speaker 3: I think it did take some courage.

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Speaker 1: You know, he was nice enough to come here and

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Speaker 1: engage with us in a back and forth. So I

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Speaker 1: want to be charitable towards him. But I don't really

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Speaker 1: understand this. He's kind of all over the map. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's a problem solvers caucus dude who voted one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent with Joe Biden. He framed himself as this very

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Speaker 1: like centristeed dem as a member of Congress. Then he

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Speaker 1: gets into the primary and sees that a lot of

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Speaker 1: the dissident energy is on the left, and then he's like, well, actually,

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Speaker 1: I support matic care for all, and I support some

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Speaker 1: of these other like Bernie Sanders style priorities or things

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Speaker 1: that actually Marian Williamson has been running on since the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the primary. So it's like, Okay, well, that's

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Speaker 1: I appreciate if you. His explanation to me was that

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Speaker 1: he got out there and talked to people and saw

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Speaker 1: the need and got out of the DC bubble and

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Speaker 1: became aware. But now you're like taking money from billionaire

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Speaker 1: Bill Ackman, changed in your website to reflect his priorities,

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Speaker 1: floating and no labels.

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Speaker 7: Bid.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just don't really understand the endgame with Dean Phillips.

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Speaker 1: The poll we put up on the screen, this American

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Speaker 1: Research Group poll. They're the same ones that had the

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Speaker 1: outlier in New Hampshire for the Republican side. This is

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Speaker 1: also an outlier on the Democratic side. The other polls

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Speaker 1: of New Hampshire do not show Dean Phillips anywhere near

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Speaker 1: thirty something percent of the vote, So I am skeptical

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Speaker 1: that he has this level of support in the state,

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Speaker 1: but we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, the dynamics here, New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: Is already hard to pull because you have independence, can

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Speaker 1: vote in party primary, so there's a lot of crossover.

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Speaker 1: So that makes it a bit of a wildcard. Who's

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Speaker 1: going to show up for which primary and how they're

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Speaker 1: going to vote, So there's that piece. Then, to really

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Speaker 1: complicate things, you had Joe Biden, in an attempt to

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Speaker 1: thoroughly rig the primary, basically screw himself in the state

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Speaker 1: of New Hampshire, but try to kick him to the

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Speaker 1: back of the line. They couldn't move their primary because

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Speaker 1: of their state constitution, so he's having to mount this

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Speaker 1: write in campaign.

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Speaker 3: But also they don't.

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Speaker 1: Want to be seen as even campaigning in the state,

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Speaker 1: so it's not even his campaign that's doing the right

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Speaker 1: in campaign. They've left it to a state party that

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Speaker 1: is really pissed off at them, by the way, and

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Speaker 1: not happy about what they've.

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Speaker 3: Done in terms of moving the primary.

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Speaker 1: There's been a minimal amount of dollars that have been

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Speaker 1: spent towards his writing campaign, and so I just have

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Speaker 1: no idea how that is going to work out. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea what percentage Joe Biden will get. I

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Speaker 1: think you will probably outperform this arg poll that we

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Speaker 1: had up, but maybe underperform some of the other polls

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Speaker 1: that have shown him, you know, at sixty five percent,

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Speaker 1: and really trouncing the entire field just because who's going

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Speaker 1: to even be motivated to come out for Democratic primary

782
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Speaker 1: when the media has been consistently been telling you there

783
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Speaker 1: is no Democratic primary, there are no opponents, So why

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Speaker 1: would you bother to show up?

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Speaker 3: How would you know that you have to write in

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden's name.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's a complicated set of dynamics that

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Speaker 1: makes it very, very very unpredictable how.

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Speaker 3: This is ultimately all going to unfold.

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Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say about the Democratic primary is,

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Speaker 1: you know, Marian Williamson has been running as like the

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Speaker 1: left chinallenger to Joe Biden, and she's come out with

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Speaker 1: regard to the unconditional support for Israel, She's come out,

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Speaker 1: she's voice descent, she's called for a ceasefire. But I

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Speaker 1: think she had a real opportunity to lean into that issue,

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Speaker 1: to really make that a centerpiece, because in terms of

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Speaker 1: the energy and the opposition to Joe Biden, especially among

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Speaker 1: young voters, especially among left leaning voters throughout the Democratic coalition,

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Speaker 1: this has really become a lightning rod and you know,

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Speaker 1: a real central focus of dissent and of upset against him,

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Speaker 1: to the point that many young voters who were with

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Speaker 1: him last time around are saying, there is absolutely no

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Speaker 1: way I could support this man. And in sign of

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Speaker 1: the fact that she failed to make this an issue

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Speaker 1: that she was sort of identified with and synonymous with

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Speaker 1: and seen as being a consistent advocate on the fact

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Speaker 1: that there's this rite and ceasefire campaign going on where

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Speaker 1: people are being encouraged to, instead of voting for any

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Speaker 1: of the candidates on the ballot, to literally write in

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Speaker 1: the word ceasefire just as a.

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Speaker 3: Protest against Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: If she'd done a better job, I think positioning herself

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Speaker 1: as a dissident on this topic and really leaned into

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Speaker 1: it sure up to protest, talked consistently about it in

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Speaker 1: a way that you know, was landing with the people

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Speaker 1: who are upset about it, then I think that campaign

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Speaker 1: would have been vote for Mary and Williamson as a

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Speaker 1: protest against Joe Biden instead of vote for ceasefire.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we see some of that. We can put

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Speaker 2: b five guys please up on the screen. Let's put

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Speaker 2: it up there from the Boston Globe. So we have

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Speaker 2: New Hampshire primary voters here urged to write in ceasefire

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Speaker 2: to send Biden a message very much, you know, demonstrating

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Speaker 2: exactly what you're talking about, Crystal, which is that if

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Speaker 2: she had made her name synonymous with that in this

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Speaker 2: entire effort wouldn't really be necessary. There's also been some

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Speaker 2: sniping between Andrew Yang and Mary Ann Williamson. An interesting

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Speaker 2: moment at one of their rallies for Dean in the

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Speaker 2: state of New Hampshire where Yang said that Maryann Williamson

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Speaker 2: it should drop out and to join him and Dean Phillips.

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Speaker 2: She says, Dean is our best chance. Here's what he

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Speaker 2: had to say.

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Speaker 10: I asked you to join us in challenging the true enemy.

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Speaker 10: The true enemy is the political establishment that does not

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Speaker 10: care about our families and communities, and a media couple

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Speaker 10: that will suppress or demonize anyone who wants to change things.

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Speaker 10: On behalf of the people of this country, mary Anne,

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Speaker 10: Dean is our best chance to change things. I am

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Speaker 10: looking forward to serving in his administration, and I hope

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Speaker 10: that you will join us.

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Speaker 2: Interesting moment. Immediately, though, mary Anne shot it down. Let's

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Speaker 2: put it up there please, She says, that's not going

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Speaker 2: to happen. She tweeted out, quote, Wow, Andrew Yang, the

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Speaker 2: days of a woman stepping aside on the assumption that

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Speaker 2: a man can do better of the job are over.

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Speaker 2: Deeply disappointed in you, guys, And the answer is no,

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Speaker 2: to which Dean then somehow walked back. Let's put the

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Speaker 2: final element here, he says. I respect Maryann Williamson, a

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Speaker 2: woman of courage, conviction and strength. I hope she stays

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Speaker 2: in the primary with me, as we shine light on

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Speaker 2: American suffering, proposed solutions, and promote democracy while our party

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Speaker 2: suppresses it. So that's not exactly sure what happened there.

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Speaker 2: My guess is that Andrew talked a little bit off script,

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Speaker 2: meant everything had to be walked back. But in general,

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Speaker 2: as you said, mary Anne squandered a moment a bit

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Speaker 2: there by not kind of consolidating all of the progressive

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Speaker 2: and young energy. It would have been interesting too, because

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Speaker 2: it had been like an actual test of how strong

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Speaker 2: any of that is even on the ballot in a

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Speaker 2: Democratic primary. Now it's just dispersed right in seas fire,

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Speaker 2: this plus Dean and all of that and Biden. I mean,

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Speaker 2: who knows, Like you said, going in in a presumptive

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Speaker 2: election where you're not even on the ballot to go

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Speaker 2: write in Biden is a weird thing to do. I

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Speaker 2: did send Crystal. One of our viewers sent me a

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Speaker 2: photo of the write in flyers that have been going

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Speaker 2: around for Biden. They say, you have the power to

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Speaker 2: stop Donald Trump's attack on our democracy. Vote Joe Biden

869
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Speaker 2: for president. It says voting for Joe Biden as easy

870
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Speaker 2: as one, two three, Start at the bottom of the

871
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Speaker 2: ballot with a pen, filling the oval for write in,

872
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Speaker 2: and write Joe Biden on the line. So that's what

873
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Speaker 2: they are sending to people. Thank you one of our viewers,

874
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Speaker 2: by the way, who said.

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Speaker 1: That, Yeah, the last thing I'll say on all of

876
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Speaker 1: this is this will be, you know, controversial. I actually

877
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Speaker 1: think there was more of a chance to unsee Biden

878
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: in the Democratic primary then, or was with Trump in

879
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: the Republican primary, Because early on. Yeah, if things had

880
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: gone to if there had been a unified campaign against Biden,

881
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, consistently challenging him, making people aware that there

882
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Speaker 1: was another option, if there had been like a unified coalition.

883
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: I genuinely think there was an opportunity here because you

884
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Speaker 1: had all the polls, I mean, Biden, the Biden team

885
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: was clearly nervous about this, right, They saw the polls

886
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: too that the Democratic base, a majority of them were like,

887
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: we would like someone else, We would like to see

888
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: another option here. We are not comfortable with this man

889
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: is the nominee. Once again, we don't know that he

890
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: can defeat Trump. We don't know that he can serve

891
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: former years in office. And you know, we've always talked

892
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: about this with regard to Trump and Biden. Biden's support

893
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: doesn't really support for Joe Biden. It's very solid. The

894
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 1: most people feel about him is like he's fine.

895
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: You know.

896
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Speaker 1: That's like the strength of the depth of the feeling

897
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: about Joe Biden.

898
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Speaker 3: Whereas with Donald Trump.

899
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, we've showed you before the pictures of

900
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Speaker 1: the people out in the free zero degree minus twenty

901
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: whatever love weather to come and see him at a rally.

902
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: Literally no one. I don't even think Joe Bain's wife

903
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: would do that at this point.

904
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Speaker 2: Right.

905
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: So it's much harder to move those people off of

906
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump than it could have been in an alternate

907
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Speaker 1: universe where there I was a unified coalition and a

908
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: concerted effort from the.

909
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 3: Beginning and then especially at the end.

910
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: Here, you know, if you had made that noise and

911
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: you would laid the groundwork. And then you know, with

912
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Speaker 1: his unconditional support for Israel, which is not just unpopular

913
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Speaker 1: by the way, in the Democratic Party with young people,

914
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Speaker 1: it is unpopular across the board. It's actually especially unpopular

915
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Speaker 1: with young people, obviously Arab Americans, Muslim Americans, but with

916
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Speaker 1: Black Americans too. Some of the strongest numbers in favor

917
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Speaker 1: of a ceasefire and oppositional to his unconditional support are

918
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Speaker 1: among a key components of the Democratic base. So the

919
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Speaker 1: opening and the possibilities were there, and you know, you

920
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Speaker 1: can say, on the one hand, listen, the media just

921
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Speaker 1: made it impossible. I do think that's a lot of it.

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Speaker 1: There was just a concerted media effort to say there

923
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Speaker 1: is no Democratic primary, there is nothing even to look

924
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Speaker 1: at here. Yeah, but Biden's week and maybe it'd be

925
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Speaker 1: great if there was a challenger, but there's no challenger,

926
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Speaker 1: even as there are literally challengers in the race.

927
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Speaker 3: But again, I think if you had.

928
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Speaker 1: A unified effort from the beginning, you could have potentially

929
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Speaker 1: overcome that media blackout, and there was more of an

930
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Speaker 1: opportunity on the Democratic side than there really was on

931
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Speaker 1: the Republican side.

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Speaker 2: This is where I think machine politics has come into play,

933
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Speaker 2: where the machine was not as actually stronger I think

934
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Speaker 2: today than it was in the past. And you can

935
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Speaker 2: look at the Carter Kennedy election for an example where yeah,

936
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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it's just because Kennedy was literal of

937
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Speaker 2: royalty in the party at that time and nobody could

938
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Speaker 2: tell him not to even though the majority didn't want

939
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Speaker 2: him to run. It listened to the Democratic Party establishment,

940
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Speaker 2: but he had enough money and he was able to

941
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Speaker 2: mount a serious campaign and went for a pretty long time.

942
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Speaker 2: But the thing is is that with Kennedy, Kennedy recognized

943
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Speaker 2: Carter's unpopularity and lack of strength a year a year

944
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Speaker 2: and a half into the actual race, and so that's

945
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Speaker 2: why he mounted up from the beginning. He said, there's

946
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Speaker 2: no way this guy's going to win. At nineteen eighty

947
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: and he was correct about that. He mounted an electability case.

948
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Speaker 2: He said, if we're actually going to be, you know,

949
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Speaker 2: going forward, you've got to look at the way this

950
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Speaker 2: man has led the country. It's been a total disaster.

951
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Speaker 2: He's going to get his ass kicked, you know, in

952
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Speaker 2: the election. The problem was is nobody had really the

953
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Speaker 2: strength to say that from all the beginning, unless you were,

954
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Speaker 2: you know, literally an independent media or somewhere else in

955
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Speaker 2: the MSNBC, the Organs and all that. At least to

956
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Speaker 2: their credit, the press at that time were forced to

957
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Speaker 2: cover it, and they were a little bit more neutral too.

958
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Speaker 2: It was the whole era of like pre cable and

959
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: they were like, listen, you know, President Cardner's tremendously unpopular.

960
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Speaker 2: Mister Kennedy says that he can't win, and he's going

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Speaker 2: to run against him. Democratic voters ultimately did go with

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Speaker 2: Carter after a pretty brutal campaign, but at least that

963
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Speaker 2: argument was made. But that doesn't exist right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the ability to even do that doesn't exist.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one piece of this is that Democratic voters

967
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Speaker 1: still really trust the mainstream press.

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Speaker 2: Yeah betcha.

969
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Speaker 1: And so that gives them a lot of power. We

970
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: saw this in twenty twenty. Yeah, right when the mainstream

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00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: press decided all right, Joe Biden's the guy, we're all

972
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: lighting up behind him. The dominoes fell like that, I mean,

973
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Speaker 1: tremendous shift against Bernie Sanders, like oh were literally overnight,

974
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Speaker 1: and Joe Biden sweeps into the Democratic nomination, no problem.

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Speaker 1: So that's one piece of the problem. The other thing is,

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Speaker 1: you know, the challenger to Joe Biden from the beginning

977
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Speaker 1: was Mary and Williamson, and because she doesn't have that, like,

978
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Speaker 1: you know, elected DC credential, they found it easy to

979
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Speaker 1: ignore her. So I think personally, somebody like Gavin Newsom

980
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: should be kicking himself right now. I think if you

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Speaker 1: had someone who was like a governor, you know, like

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00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer or whoever, who the media

983
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: had built up as a quote unquote you know, certified

984
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: serious person and they had the right credentials and whatever,

985
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Speaker 1: I think it would be have been very difficult for

986
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Speaker 1: them to completely.

987
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 3: Ignore what was going on there.

988
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Speaker 1: And I personally think there was an opportunity for someone

989
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: like that if they jumped in the race early on

990
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: and were consistently making the case in a nice way,

991
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: not a mean way against Joe Biden, but about like, listen,

992
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: he's right, the democracy is on the line. He's right,

993
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: the Trump is this existential threat. He's right that we

994
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: have to do everything we can to win. Thank you

995
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: for doing that for us in twenty twenty. Now it's

996
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: time to hand the ball off to the next generation.

997
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: Who was more able to do that.

998
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty four.

999
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: I do think there was an opportunity for that, but

1000
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: they very effectively kept everybody within the elected democratic establishment

1001
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: in line. They kept them in line, and that Joe

1002
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: Biden then, even though it was like a house of

1003
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: cards waiting to be knocked over by you know, a

1004
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: stiff breeze, was able to remain assembled. And so now

1005
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: Democrats are like stuck with this dude, hobbled with him

1006
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: going into a general election. We'll say he may still win.

1007
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: Trump is also a terrible candidate and people really hate him.

1008
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: He may still win, but they have made it so

1009
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: much less certain and are playing an incredibly we can

1010
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: with a man who you know, consistently can't formulate a sentence,

1011
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: they can't be confident in putting him out even for

1012
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: like the friendliest of interviews. He's incapable of campaigning. If

1013
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: he does do debates, it's going to be a bloodbath

1014
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. This is the hand that Democrats have

1015
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: decided to play.

1016
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Speaker 2: Well, Christal, Look, if he does lose, at least you

1017
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 2: can say I told you so, And I will say

1018
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: a lot of people like Newsome and Whitmer and all them,

1019
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: They're gonna have a lot less credibility if he does lose,

1020
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: because people will be like, hey, man, where the hell

1021
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: were you? And in that chaos you know from the

1022
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: ashes arise in Phoenix, So you never know. I mean,

1023
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 2: I can be very hopeful. The more likely is that

1024
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 2: we're going to come up with like Russia Gate nine

1025
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Speaker 2: point zero, and that we'll have a whole of entire

1026
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 2: different scenario where we know some fake stop the steal

1027
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: on the Democratic side. That's actually a most likely scenario

1028
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: given what happened in the past.

1029
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: There's nothing I can share for at this point. It's

1030
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: just like, well, we'll see what happened.

1031
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: I enjoyed chaos personally, Okay, christl what are you taking

1032
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: a look at?

1033
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: In a sign of the vapid, degraded and pitiful nature

1034
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: of our public discourse. A facile speech seemingly written by

1035
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old upon their first encounter with iin

1036
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: Rand has dazzled the world's billionaire class and quite a

1037
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: few way too online fanboys, up to and including their leader,

1038
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: Elon musk New. Argentine President Javier Malay took a break

1039
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: from banning protests, laying off thousands of workers and spiking

1040
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: inflation over two hundred percent to come preach the gospel

1041
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: of neoliberalism to the choir at.

1042
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: The World Economic Forum in Davos.

1043
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: Now, of course, annually at Davos, the world elite gathers

1044
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: alongside their political pawns, their media enablers, and grifter wannabes

1045
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: to see what they can do to further extract global wealth,

1046
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: expand their monopolies, and solidify control over world affairs. These deals,

1047
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 1: which are the real action of the event, occur behind

1048
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: closed doors, while the public face of Davos is a

1049
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: fake do gooderism, where the very people creating many of

1050
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: the problems of the world, from war to hunger to

1051
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: climate catastrophe wring their hands about these very issues. Apparently, However,

1052
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: even this pretense of benevolence has become too much for

1053
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: the world's billionaire class. Judging by the rapturous reception of

1054
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: Javier Malay, World Economic Forum had Clush Schwab gave Malay

1055
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: a fawning introduction, louding the quote new spirit he had

1056
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: brought to Argentina. This new spirit, by the way, is

1057
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: just the same old neoliberal shop doctrine that the West

1058
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: has long imposed on developing nations. Malay's message to this

1059
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: group can be summed.

1060
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 3: Up in three words. Greed is good to governments.

1061
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 2: Get out of the.

1062
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: Way and let the world's oligarchs extract wealth to their

1063
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: hearts content to the billionaires who do he described as heroes.

1064
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: Keep doing what you're doing. You can see why they

1065
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: love them so much. Who wouldn't want to hear their

1066
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: vice loud it as virtue.

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Speaker 11: Therefore, in concluding, I would like to leave a message

1068
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 11: for all business people here and for those who are

1069
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 11: not here in person but are following from around the world.

1070
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 11: Do not be intimidated, intimidated either by the political class

1071
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 11: or by parasites who live off the state. Do not

1072
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 11: surrender to a political class that only wants to stay

1073
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 11: in power and retain its privileges. You are social benefactors,

1074
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 11: your heroes.

1075
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: You're the creators of.

1076
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 11: The most extraordinary period of prosperity we've ever seen. Let

1077
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 11: no one tell you that your ambition and moral. If

1078
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 11: you make money, it's because you offer a better product

1079
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 11: at a better price, thereby contributing to general well being.

1080
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 11: Do not surrender to the advance of the state. The

1081
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 11: state is not the solution. The state is the problem itself.

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Speaker 11: You are the true protagonists of this story, and rest

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Speaker 11: as showed that as from today, Argentina is your staunch,

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Speaker 11: unconditional ar now.

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Speaker 1: His message was both radical and completely supportive of the

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Speaker 1: status quo, because the status quo ideology of the ruler

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00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: class is in fact quite radical. As a politician, he

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00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: is telling them powerful he will be their lackey. He

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Speaker 1: will strip the power of the state and imperfect but

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Speaker 1: theoretically democratic institution we're in. Citizens at least have a

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Speaker 1: shot at exerting influence and hand it to multinational corporations

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00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: headed by a short sighted and self interested billionaire class.

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Speaker 1: I'm struck by the childlike fairy tale nature of the

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Speaker 1: story he tells and what it says about our infantile

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00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: rulers that they lap it up like hungry puppy dogs.

1096
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: Malay paints a picture of extraordinary men made wealthy by

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00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: cre innovating, designing products to benefit the whole world, when

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00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: in reality, every year, if you take a look, the

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00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: most new billionaires come from the finance sector, people who

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Speaker 1: are only skilled at new creative methods of extraction and

1101
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: mathematical trickery, whose innovations are designing new exotic financial instruments

1102
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Speaker 1: like credit default swaps that eventually blow up the entire

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00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: world economy. In Malay's billionaire bedtime story, there is no

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00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: such thing as market failures.

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00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 3: He says this explicitly, so.

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00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: Any and all regulation is both unnecessary and wrong. He

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00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: specifically argues that even one of the classic examples of

1108
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: market failures, the monopoly, is actually a good thing not

1109
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: to be messed with. Given the large number of monopolists

1110
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Speaker 1: in attendance, I'm sure this message was like chicken soup

1111
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: for their greedy souls. Anyone, of course, with a basic

1112
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: grasp of reality outside of an imagined libertarian fantasy world,

1113
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: can see that this attack on literally all market regulation

1114
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: is insane, unless, of course, you're a fan of Deckenzian style,

1115
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: child labor, indentured servitude, and poison food and water. I'm

1116
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: not sure I've ever seen this particular fantasy deflated as

1117
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: quickly as in this infamous clip of Joe Rogan educating

1118
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: Dave Ruben on the need for building codes.

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Speaker 12: Just take a listen, what problem would you have? Everything

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Speaker 12: you're building here right now right? Do you want the

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00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 12: government to tell you how to do all these things?

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00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 12: And all the regulations that you got to have your

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00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 12: electric thing this far from this, and like.

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Speaker 8: All the regulations like that for construction are important. Though

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00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 8: you do have to make sure that people don't do

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00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 8: stupid shit but have a power lines near a water line.

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00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 12: There's a lot of but I would put most of

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00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 12: that on the builders though they want to build things

1129
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 12: that are good.

1130
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Speaker 8: Now, I get all, that's not true. Listen, people, people

1131
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 8: are going to corners all the time. Like, you have

1132
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 8: to have regulations when it comes to construction methods or

1133
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 8: people are gonna get fucked.

1134
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Speaker 12: They cut regulation. They cut corners when there are regulations.

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Speaker 8: Anyway they do. They would cut a lot more if

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Speaker 8: there weren't regulations. I'm not totally the Third world countries

1137
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 8: and look at construction methods. They're fucking dangerous. Yeah, that's

1138
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Speaker 8: why schools collapse on kids in foreign countries sometimes. I

1139
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 8: was in construction my whole life. My dad's an architect.

1140
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 8: I've been in construction since I was a little kid.

1141
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 8: You fucking need regulations. These guys. A lot of people

1142
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 8: that are in construction, they'll do whatever the fuck they

1143
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 8: can to make money. And it's not good for the

1144
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 8: people that have the house, because they might have that

1145
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 8: house for five ten years before that problem manifests itself.

1146
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 8: The people who are establishing these codes are licensed builders

1147
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 8: or people that have been involved in construction for a

1148
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 8: long fucking time, and they know what's safe and what's

1149
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 8: not safe. That's why those codes exist. It exists to

1150
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 8: protect the consumers.

1151
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: Perfect example there. I could give you thousands of similar instances,

1152
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: from the unregulated Titanic submersible to kids getting sucked into

1153
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: meat grinders, to the Great Depression and the Great Recession,

1154
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: to the old company towns where workers were paid in

1155
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 1: script and forced into permanent debt so they could never

1156
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: leave their brutal jobs until they died from black lung

1157
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: at age forty. And the big picture of no regulation

1158
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: just looks like an acceleration of the absolute worst of

1159
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: what we've got right now, governments which are even more

1160
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: corrupt and undemocratic, wild inequality, where billionaires construct multimillion dollar

1161
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: bunkers to escape the apocalypse they are helping to usher in,

1162
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: while the vast majority are locked out of the basics

1163
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: of food, shelter, and healthcare, and a deep moral rot

1164
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: that would place human worth, creativity, and flourishing below the

1165
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: demands of the profit margin and the needs of Malay's

1166
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: billionaire heroes. Now, Malay is, after all, a man who

1167
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: would buy and sell human organs, so he is perfectly

1168
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: willing to literally put a price on humanity. In a

1169
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 1: particularly nonsensical part of his speech, Malay equates communist Nazis, fascists, socialists,

1170
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: social democrats, national socialists, Christian democrats, Kanesians, Neo Kanesians, progressives,

1171
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: populist nationalists, and globalist, saying quote in the end, there's

1172
00:53:54,719 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: no substantive difference. The preposterous nature of racing theme the

1173
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: clear differences between a very wide range of ideologies goes

1174
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: without saying unless you are a literal child or a

1175
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: member of the oligarch class, which Malay services But there's

1176
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: a reason why these elites are so excited to hear

1177
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: all of this and to see moderate reformists like Progressives

1178
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: equated with radical evils like Nazism, and it's because they

1179
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: feel themselves under siege by some of these name checked movements.

1180
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: After all, the greatest good, radical libertarianism that Malay espouses

1181
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: and which had been ascended in America since Goldwater enforced

1182
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: on much of the rest of the world since Reagan,

1183
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: has been repeatedly rebuked by regular people all around the world.

1184
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: Look at the wellspring of radical billionaire friendly market radicalism

1185
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: the Republican Party itself, and you can see how these

1186
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: ideas have been rejected in practice. Trump has largely continued

1187
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: the reaganlike policy of the past, with a few exceptions,

1188
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: but he became the load star of American politics by

1189
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: advocating for a clean break from that neoliberal market radical era.

1190
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: Young Americans, who have been thoroughly failed by Malay style

1191
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: market radicalism, are even more clear in their rejection of

1192
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: this model. The speech also arrives at a moment when

1193
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: a decisive conflict is brewing between the needs of humanity

1194
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: and the needs of the market and owner class, with

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Speaker 1: the advent of.

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Speaker 3: Super intelligent AI.

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Speaker 1: It is clear that in this potentially existential battle, Malay's

1198
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: view is to hell with the humans. It is therefore

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Speaker 1: a diseased mind which could with a straight face call

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00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 1: any of this freedom as Malay does. Free to work

1201
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: all your days for global monopolists who set all the

1202
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: terms of your exploitation, unless God forbid, you are unable

1203
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: to work, or a robot eliminates your usefulness, and then.

1204
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 3: You are free to quietly die.

1205
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Speaker 1: Don't be fooled into thinking this man is some sort

1206
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: of truth teller or challenge to power. The adoration of

1207
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: the Davo set tells you everything you need to know

1208
00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: about who his ideology actually serves, whose freedom actually preserves,

1209
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: and in that ideology, you are just a liability on

1210
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 1: a billionaire's ballance sheet.

1211
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Speaker 2: And Sager and if you want to hear my reaction

1212
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1213
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: dot com. There's a lot of weird things that happened

1214
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 2: on January sixth, likely federal agents instigators in the crowd protesters.

1215
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 2: The Way said protesters have been prosecuted since the event.

1216
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: The Way that the media has even treated it. But

1217
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 2: perhaps the weirdest of all is the plotline that has

1218
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 2: mostly disappeared from view and could actually shed light on

1219
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 2: some of the deeper questions of the day. What happened

1220
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: to the so called pipe bomb investigation? The FBI is

1221
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 2: part of their investigation, claimed that on January fifth, twenty

1222
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 2: twenty one, more than three years ago now, an unidentified

1223
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: hooded man planted pipe bombs at both the RNC and

1224
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 2: DNC headquarters on Capitol Hill, intending to cause damage as

1225
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 2: part of the protest. The pipe bomb was often discussed

1226
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: in the immediate aftermath of the attack, as it was

1227
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 2: a key piece of media evidence of the violent and

1228
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 2: tent of many protesters going into the day, rather than

1229
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: a spontaneous explosion of rage. Mysteriously, though, years later, as

1230
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 2: local DC media notes that pipe bomber has never been caught,

1231
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: despite many protesters being identified by tapping phone records, using

1232
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: facial recognition software and every other spyware known to man,

1233
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 2: it simply disappeared as a talking point and we're supposed

1234
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: to just forget about it somehow, But some interesting new

1235
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: evidence an analysis has actually come to light that questions

1236
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: a lot of this footage of the Capitol Hill area

1237
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: on the day of the alleged bomb was discovered shows

1238
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: that approximately at one oh five pm, in broad daylight,

1239
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 2: a man in a backpack approaches nearby police and Secret

1240
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: Service agents to tell them that he thinks that there

1241
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: is a bomb that is currently nearby a bench in

1242
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: the DNC. That man, it was later revealed, is a

1243
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: plane clothes Capitol Police officer. The officers in the video,

1244
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: which was released in the Congressman Thomas Massey, do not

1245
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: immediately react when they're told this alarming information. Now, keep

1246
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: this in mind, Vice President Kamala Harris is actually inside

1247
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: of the building at this time. They are supposed to

1248
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: be on high alert, and yet, as Darren Beatty at

1249
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 2: Revolver News notes, quote, note how casual and unperturbed both

1250
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 2: the Metro officers and Secret Service officers are. Ask yourself

1251
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: whether this is how you would imagine the Secret Service

1252
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: would normally respond to the discovery of a bomb right

1253
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 2: outside of the building housing their protectee. Now, the bomb

1254
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 2: first appears on camera approximately five minutes after the police

1255
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: were tipped off. After that, police officers still allow actually

1256
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 2: a passing group of pedestrians including kids, to walk by.

1257
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 2: A police officer then walks up to the bomb. He

1258
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: takes a photo of it, then before alerting others, that

1259
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: holds up his thumbs up. The video actually cuts off

1260
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: right around there, but the facts we can take away

1261
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 2: are this, the cops were tipped off to the presence

1262
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: of the bomb by an undercover cop in a hoodie

1263
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 2: that did not appear at all alarmed by it, even

1264
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: though the Vice president was inside the building. Three years later,

1265
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 2: nobody knows who this man was, and they also don't

1266
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 2: know who planted the bomb. The rest of the facts

1267
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: are pretty crazy, as Darren Beatty has written, The official

1268
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 2: narrative from the fbis that the pipe bomb was actually

1269
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 2: placed on the bench outside of the DNC at seven

1270
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: fifty two PM that was the night before, by a

1271
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: man in a hoodie. It was not discovered until a

1272
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,479
Speaker 2: full seventeen hours later when the tip off came add

1273
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: in this detail, the pipe bomb was one of two.

1274
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: It's a mere fifteen minutes earlier at twelve forty pm,

1275
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: a random pedestrian allegedly nearby found the first at a

1276
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 2: Capitol Hill club in Washington, d C, which is nearby

1277
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 2: to this location, meaning that the two bombs, which were

1278
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: allegedly placed there seventeen hours earlier, according to the authorities,

1279
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 2: were somehow discovered within mere mintage of each other. Even stranger,

1280
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: according to the report, is that the two pipe bombs

1281
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 2: were equipped with one hour mechanical timers, so while they

1282
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: included live explosive material, if they were planted seventeen hours earlier,

1283
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 2: they were never actually seriously armed to explode because they

1284
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 2: literally couldn't. All of this let's just slay it's odd,

1285
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 2: doesn't prove anything, but it gives us a few possible scenarios.

1286
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 2: Number one is that this is a total and complete

1287
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 2: incompetence on the part of law enforcement. It is possible unlikely,

1288
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 2: though in my opinion, catching the so called pipe bomber

1289
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: would have been a huge headline for the FBI, Joe Biden,

1290
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 2: and the media. They were able to catch maga grandma's

1291
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 2: and people wearing masks who walk through the Capitol, but

1292
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 2: they can't find someone who allegedly tried to vomit. According

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Speaker 2: to the FBI, the January sixth investigation is the largest

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Speaker 2: in the history of the bureau. This is one where

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Speaker 2: lack of resources and attention after the fact is just

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Speaker 2: not a viable explanation. The other that Revolver puts forwards

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Speaker 2: as somehow this was somehow known to law enforcement, that

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Speaker 2: perhaps the reason the police did not immediately act is

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Speaker 2: because they knew it was BS, or that perhaps the

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Speaker 2: Capitol Police officer who tipped off the cops is the

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Speaker 2: one who in the hood planted himself. One easy way

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Speaker 2: is to just talk to that man. Three years later,

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Speaker 2: we don't even know the idea or the name of

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Speaker 2: that Capitol Police officer. It has never even been released,

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Speaker 2: despite many questions from members of Congress. So that's where

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Speaker 2: we just leave a few things. I mean, I wrote

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Speaker 2: this monologue exactly three years after Joe Biden took the

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Speaker 2: oath of office, when this was one of the biggest

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Speaker 2: stories in the world, and yet it's mostly disappeared. And

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Speaker 2: to be clear, that doesn't mean nothing bad happened on

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Speaker 2: January sixth, and the people involved are not responsible for

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Speaker 2: their actions. But it does mean that within the cloud

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Speaker 2: of all of this, as with many tumultuous events, there

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Speaker 2: are major parts of the story that do not pass

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Speaker 2: the smell tests, and ones that need to be investigated.

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Speaker 2: To this day to date, nobody but revolver. Few other

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Speaker 2: independent journalists have even touched this story. The reasons are

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Speaker 2: obvious if you dig deep, it's pretty clear where some

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Speaker 2: of these things are going to land. Chris what I

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Speaker 2: mean one of the things I even discovered and.

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Speaker 1: If you want to hear my reaction to Sagres's monologue.

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Speaker 2: We'll have a great show for you tomorrow, so lots

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