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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one thirty

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Speaker 1: six tan the show, Dan and I are joined by

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt contributor Josh Hilliard, and we're discussing the

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Speaker 1: latest and greatest new bow hunting gear and our experiences

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Speaker 1: at the two thousand seventeen Archery Trade Association Show. Hello

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Sitka Gear. And today it is January seventeenth,

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Speaker 1: I think is a recording this and man in or

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Speaker 1: finally back to the real world after the cast last

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Speaker 1: week at the Archery Trade Association Show, and that's what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be primarily talking about today. That's the you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're not familiar, if you didn't hear our past

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Speaker 1: episodes about this. Every year there's this a t a

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Speaker 1: show and it's the biggest bow hunting and hunting industry

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Speaker 1: show of the year, um other than Shot, which is

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Speaker 1: a little more shooting focused. So big show where all

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Speaker 1: the big retailers and manufacturers come together and show up

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Speaker 1: all the newest products, what's new, what's the latest and greatest, etcetera, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: So today Dan and I are gonna be talking about that,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna be joined by my good friend and

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Speaker 1: hunting buddy, Josh Hilliard, who came along with me last

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Speaker 1: week for his very first time to a t A.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna get a an a t A virgin's

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Speaker 1: perspective two and we'll talk about all of our favorite products.

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Speaker 1: Are thoughts on the show, our thoughts maybe on the

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Speaker 1: hunting industry, uh, and a whole bunch of stuff like that. Dan,

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Speaker 1: So what do you think is that? Is that a

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Speaker 1: good idea? Let's talk about it. You have some thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the hunting industry, right, but we don't need to

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Speaker 1: get into it right now, but you do, right, we'll

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Speaker 1: cover it when we get Josh on the phone. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's gonna be some questions. It's not necessarily

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Speaker 1: about the industry, it's just lack of focus on certain things. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we had some some good chats about that last week.

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Speaker 1: So so yeah, we'll get to all that stuff once

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Speaker 1: Josh joins us here in a few minutes. Um, But

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Speaker 1: I do want to make a point of mentioning one

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Speaker 1: thing here, Dan before we get to that. Okay, what

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Speaker 1: is it? Last time we talked, I gave you a

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Speaker 1: really gave it to you, and and since then you've

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Speaker 1: made up for us. So I want to give you

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Speaker 1: credit for that. Dan, you did go out and hunt. Congrats.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy for you. You know, I think I just

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Speaker 1: I faked to hunt just so you get off my back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well that was effective. Yeah. I turned the I turned

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Speaker 1: my flat screen television towards the window, and I was

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Speaker 1: in a tree stand. That's a pretty fun hunt. No, seriously,

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Speaker 1: how did your hunk go? I'll tell you what I think.

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Speaker 1: I talked a little bit about my my buddies property, uh,

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Speaker 1: where I went to Gainer Mountain and I bought like

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Speaker 1: Well you got out there and at least give it

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Speaker 1: I don't did you have any of those types of feelings? Well,

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Speaker 1: because I did reduce from reflecting on the buck that

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Speaker 1: kind of what I was reflecting on at the same time,

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Speaker 1: kind of looking forward to next season and how I'm

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Speaker 1: Don't tell my wife I won't. That's good though, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm excited to hear probably pretty soon in

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Speaker 1: moving some things around. So I gotta you've got any

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Speaker 1: current grasses to grow up thick there so that you

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Speaker 1: know that cover that's traditionally on the neighbors will continue

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Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So I know that UM. One

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Speaker 1: something like that, something like that, Yeah, adjusting the shape,

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Speaker 1: even impossible? It doesn't happen often, but you guys like

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Speaker 1: and that way they won't breed anymore, and that way

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Speaker 1: cut their nuts off so they can't make any more babies?

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Speaker 1: does I mean how does that happen? Dude? It's crazy,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's actually scary in a in a way too,

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Speaker 1: to try to say that what we're doing is irrelevant. Um.

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Speaker 1: So it's something I think that without getting too serious,

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Speaker 1: here's something I think we as Hunters starts need to

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Speaker 1: just that doesn't work as much as I feel it should,

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Speaker 1: no very true. That's uh. We We've talked about this

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Speaker 1: It was just huge. It's like overwhelming to walk in there,

426
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: and I think that I had to try to walk

427
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 1: around all these different boosts and exhibits and talk to

428
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: people and get information on products. Is like, how am

429
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: I ever going to get to any of this? I mean,

430
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: it's take me two days to get through one little

431
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: section of it. How am I going to get through

432
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: all of it? So it's pretty overwhelming to first walk

433
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: in there, and um, you know, we just kind of

434
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: when it first got in there, we kind of just

435
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: did a little walk around and it was definitely big.

436
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I just figured out I figure

437
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: out some way to get to it all, and I

438
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: think I did a decent job of doing that. But

439
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: it was it was cool it's cool to walk in there,

440
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: and I mean almost immediately start seeing people you recognize

441
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 1: from TV or web shows or you know, magazines and

442
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: stuff like that as cool. Kind of a little bit

443
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 1: like starstruck seeing some people. But I tried. I tried

444
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: to play it cool. But did you did you feel fanboy?

445
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,479
Speaker 1: Did you feel that way when you met Dan Johnson

446
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: in person for the first time? I did? I did

447
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: a holy how this is this is the guy from

448
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: the nine Figure Chronicles? When when he shook your hand?

449
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: Did he do that weird nubbing shake that he does? No?

450
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: I just like second or third time? Okay, who who

451
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: did you? Is there anyone who you really did like

452
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: you were really excited to see? Like who were you

453
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: actually start struck to see? Uh? It was cool to

454
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: see the juries because we like saw them when we

455
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: first started walking around, and that they've probably been the

456
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: the guys that I've watched the longest just don't you know,

457
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: DVDs and all that stuff, So it's pretty cool to

458
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,479
Speaker 1: see them, Like, holy cow, they're they're right there. That's cool. Um,

459
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: and its cool see Jim Shocky. He said, I've seen

460
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: a lot of his stuff, So it was I mean,

461
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: it's cool to see all of them, but probably the

462
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: juries are probably the guys that I like watching the most,

463
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: so I was just cool to see them. Yeah. I

464
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: remember feeling the same way you go go on it when

465
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: I first started going. Um. But then what's what's cool

466
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: about the show is that you quickly realize that these

467
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: people are just people. Um, and then you get you

468
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: get to know some of them, and you know lots

469
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: of cool people too, so get to know some of

470
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: these guys and girls, and it is and and Dan,

471
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can attest to this. Even though it

472
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: feels like a big industry from the outside, when you're like,

473
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: when you're kind of in it in this way, it's

474
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: like a very it's a very small kind of crowd too.

475
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: Like you start to know so many people, don't you think,

476
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: yeah that and yes, it's a big building and every

477
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 1: but everybody in the industry is in there, everybody, So

478
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, it makes it seem just a little bit

479
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 1: smaller if you can think about it that way. And um,

480
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: and then you know, after that first year or two

481
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: you go, it's just then you can have these conversations

482
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: and everybody is almost on a first name basis with everybody.

483
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: So that's kind of a that's kind of a cool

484
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: thing too. Yeah, okay, so a t is not open

485
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: to the general public, but I mean if you're associated

486
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: with a company and manufacturer, retailer or media or something,

487
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: you know, usually those types of people can get in. UM.

488
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: So for someone who falls into one of those categories

489
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: that might be listening, would you recommend someone coming to

490
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: a T A Is that something you think someone should

491
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: experience if they have a chance to, or is it

492
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: like not worth the time? Josh, what do you for sure?

493
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: I mean, for sure, I think it'd be awesome for

494
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: anybody to experience it. Um, it's probably not for everybody, UM,

495
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: but it's one of those things where I feel like

496
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: you should go to it once if you have the

497
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: opportunity to, um, just check it out and you talk

498
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: to people and if nothing else, it's a great networking

499
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: event for for people that may be in the industry

500
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: and get their name out there and beat people that

501
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: may have not met yet and get to check out

502
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: some cool products while you're at it. So it I'd

503
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: for sure recommended to to anybody that would have the

504
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: opportunity to go. What we're gonna sit. Don No, I

505
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: was just gonna try it. I was just gonna pass.

506
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: I was interested to see what Josh had to say.

507
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: Do you still like a T A dan? Like? I

508
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: feel like when I first started, I was like, oh,

509
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: so super stoked about it, And the way I feel

510
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: about it has changed a little bit. It's not that

511
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: I don't like it, but it's just different. Do you

512
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: what do you feel there? Absolutely? Absolutely? I mean, do

513
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: you want me to share what I shared with you? Well?

514
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: I do, but maybe we say that until after maybe

515
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: well I don't care. What what what do you think

516
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: about a T? Because let me tell you. Let me

517
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: just start off by saying this, all right, there are

518
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: so many cool people in that building, right, I've made

519
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: a ton of friends, like hardcore friends that I've met

520
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: at these deer shows. Right. Um, I've not only met

521
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: great personal friends, but I've met great industry friends as well.

522
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: And like Josh said, the networking portion of it is awesome,

523
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: especially when there's a positive message to be spread that

524
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: networking can snowball um and and you can find people

525
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: who share you know, that entire room. Not everybody is

526
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: on the same level of you know, shared passion but

527
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: there is. It's it's the biggest gathering of what I

528
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: feel would be bow hunting fanatics. Everybody in there is

529
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: a bow hunting fiend and and loves to bow hunt

530
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 1: and it has some sort of level of passion for

531
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: it from an industry standpoint. But H well, I guess

532
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: I'll just get into yeah, go ahead. Just for me,

533
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: it's like totally different than for you guys, because I'm

534
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm just there. It was almost like a leisurely trip

535
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: for me, Like, yeah, I was. I was helping Mark

536
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: with social media stuff that like, I didn't have any

537
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: pressure on me or you guys had meetings with people

538
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: and trying to nail down like like Dan, I know

539
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: you're trying to get guys in the podcast and recording

540
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: some stuff for your podcast and Mark you at business meetings.

541
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: So I mean, totally different pressure for you guys, and

542
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: it was for me. Um, right, So maybe that's why

543
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: I had a good time. I don't know. Yeah, No,

544
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: I think I think you're right, Like the experience is

545
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: different too, um. But I think Dan, what you're alluding

546
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: to is not only you know, there's a lot of

547
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: share passionately, there's lots of great stuff there. But I

548
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: think what you're about to touch on is that sometimes

549
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: that gets like clouded in some of this other junk

550
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: right right well, And don't get me wrong, you know,

551
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: I'll be being blunt along with you, Mark. I'm trying

552
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: to maybe find a way to transition from uh, you know,

553
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: a nine to five cubicle styled job into this, you know,

554
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: my podcast full time uh and potentially writing and stuff

555
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: same as same thing that you've kind of done. And

556
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: you throw business and you know, you throw money into

557
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: a passion in it, it clouds the water a little

558
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: bit and there's you know, there's everybody's trying to um

559
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: bite off a piece of the these budgets for these

560
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: these companies, and it can be it can make you

561
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: feel weird. It's like, man, I'm trying to make money

562
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: off my passion. And for me, this was the first

563
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: year that I've actually had these these meetings, not where

564
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: I would be directly affected by the outcome of it.

565
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: So from from that standpoint, it was a little a

566
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: little different. But what really concerned me and after the

567
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: first day, I'm walking up and down the you know,

568
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: all these hallways and flowers and looking at all these products,

569
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: and don't get me wrong, it is a product show

570
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: where people make deals and make sales. But I was

571
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: turned off because I felt there was no emphasis on

572
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: the animals that that we hunt, which makes the bow

573
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: hunting industry go go around. If you don't have animals,

574
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: if you don't have conversation, er um, if you don't

575
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: have conservation, you don't have anything in this in this room.

576
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: So I was just a little turned off by how,

577
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, we're fighting all these battles, but at one

578
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: of the biggest shows, bow hunting shows in the industry,

579
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: there was no there was no loud voice saying attention, attention,

580
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: we have to focus on this. Companies need to be

581
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: involved with this. If that makes sense, Yeah, yeah, no,

582
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: it definitely does. It's like, right, the business side of

583
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: all this is like a nest Sarah Evil like, of course,

584
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: it's part of it, and you know that's it is

585
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: what it is, and there wouldn't be we wouldn't be

586
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: able to do all this stuff we do if there

587
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: weren't companies that make products that we can use and etcetera.

588
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: We we love hunting gear and products and all that

589
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but with gear with you like sometimes

590
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: it feels like like when the gear and the money

591
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: and like the fame of like some of this stuff

592
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: like overshadows like what we're doing and why we're doing it,

593
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: then that starts feeling off and wrong. And when you're

594
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: at a show like that with so much of that,

595
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: that's it's like, I don't know, I feel like lucky.

596
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm like there's just like too much of that all

597
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: in one place. UM. And to your point, like what

598
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: a great opportunity a show like a t A could

599
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: be to rally the hunting industry and all people that

600
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: are part of different different parts of it to come

601
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: together to you know, work as one group towards some

602
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: of these bigger picture conservation and you know, hunting issues

603
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: that impact all of us. UM. I just wasn't, like

604
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 1: you said, I wasn't seeing that. I don't know if

605
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: there was like some kind of little seminars for things

606
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: where they talked about stuff, but I shouldn't hear about

607
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: anything like that. UM. Why why weren't we using this

608
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: event to rally the troops behind some of this public

609
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: land stuff um or different things along those lines where

610
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, if we as the hunting industry and other

611
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: people that recreate in the outdoors. If we don't stand

612
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: up for this, you know, we're all of a sudden

613
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: not going to have places to hunt. We may not

614
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: have you know, sustainable populations of animals to to pursue. Um.

615
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: And if there should be any event where that stuff

616
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: is important, it should be at this event where the

617
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: most money is being discussed and where the whole business

618
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: side of this whole thing is talked about. If you know,

619
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: those people that care about making a living, these companies

620
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,239
Speaker 1: that make a living off of hunters, and then you know,

621
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: by connection to that, these landscapes and these animals. Um.

622
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: If we don't have those things, none of this stuff

623
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: goes around around. UM. So I would have I would

624
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: have loved to see a larger focus on some of

625
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: these things. Uh. Um. And I don't know, maybe that's

626
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: something we can try to find a way to encourage

627
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: in the future. UM. I do know the shot Show

628
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: is going on right now as we speak. UM that's

629
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, the shooting side of this that's going on

630
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, the Shooting, Hunting and Outdoor Trade Show

631
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: or something like that. And UM, I know there was

632
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: like a seminar going on today that someone posted about

633
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 1: where they had a panel discussing the importance of how

634
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: we talk about hunting to the outside world. Um, and

635
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: that's a that's a good conversation to be having with

636
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: a bunch of hunting companies. When those people from all

637
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: these different parts of the industry there together, I think

638
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: that's a good conversation to have. I think we just

639
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: need to have more of them. And I'd like I

640
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: would have liked to see that be like a bigger

641
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: part of of what was going on at this event.

642
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: Might because there's an opportunity there. But yeah, and for

643
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: in order for it to change, we have to we

644
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: have to get involved. I mean, so, I know, I

645
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: feel like, for example, the National Deer Alliance, their booth

646
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: was in the hallway, right, it should have been in

647
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: the center of the building, you know, or some some

648
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: of the other um conservation efforts should have been in

649
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: the center of the building. And I feel that, you know,

650
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: it was in a side hallway. There wasn't very so anyway,

651
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: I went over to the Deer the National Deer Alliance booth,

652
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: and I I voiced my opinion basically to them, saying, man,

653
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: why aren't you guys out there or you know, I

654
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 1: feel that there was there's no focus on the animal

655
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: or the keep it public movement or you know all

656
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: that stuff. And UH pretty much volunteered myself to say, hey, um,

657
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: next year, I'm willing to help anyway I can. Yeah,

658
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's what we gotta do. What we

659
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: need to do is give a voice to that um

660
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: because you know, at a show like that, you mean,

661
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: as we talked about, probably you know where people are

662
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: places all placed. It's all based on money, you know,

663
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: and such and such huge company can afford the best

664
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: placement on the show floor, and so there they are.

665
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: But it would be nice to see the animal and

666
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: the organizations that are working for the animal in the

667
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: habitat to to be front and center to So yeah,

668
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, I I I agree with your frustrations

669
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: and another thing, and we can we don't need to

670
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: be sitting here having this ragfestum. But the other part

671
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: of a t a that um that always kind of

672
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,479
Speaker 1: like makes me feel like a little off is just like,

673
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how to say this

674
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: about coming off like a jerk or something. But there

675
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: are a lot of people trying to become celebrities because

676
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: of a hunting TV show or something, and they're really

677
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: trying to pump themselves up. There's a lot of this,

678
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: like pimping yourself out. I feel like, um, and and

679
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: you could say that you and me are because we

680
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: make a living off of advertisers everything that. So I'm

681
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: not I'm not trying to sound hypocritical here. Um. I yes,

682
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: Like there's just some some stuff that goes over the top,

683
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: and you see so much of that there, and so

684
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: that's like, I love this industry. I love the people

685
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: in the industry. Um, sometimes stuff gets a little over

686
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: the top, and I think I saw a lot of

687
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: that the show. Um that here's a perfect example of that.

688
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting talking to a guy that I've known

689
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: for several years and he's talking about this moose, this

690
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: moose hunt that he went on in Alaska and how

691
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: it changed his life. And um, you know, he dropped

692
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: into the middle of the middle of nowhere on a

693
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: float plane and he went on a like I have

694
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: seven day moose hunt where if he broke his leg,

695
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: he's dead, you know, one of those type of hunts.

696
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: And he's with another guy and all of a sudden

697
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: like this group of this, this one guy in a

698
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: group of what I'm gonna call yes men were kind

699
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: of all kind of close to us, and this one

700
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: guy was frustrating. He's like, man, why isn't anybody talking

701
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: to me? Why isn't anybody talking to me? You know,

702
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: I got a great personality. I'd be perfect for a

703
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: television show. I'd be I'd be perfect for you know, uh,

704
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: for an advertisement, you know, and all this stuff. And

705
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: these other guys were going, yeah you would, Yeah, you would,

706
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna be you know, you're the next big thing man.

707
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: And they don't even know it, that kind of stuff,

708
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: and I was just like, what the hell are you

709
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: guys talking about? And then the next thing out of

710
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: this one guy's mouth is like, that's it, man, I

711
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: gotta talk to an agent like oh boy. So I

712
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: had to bite my tongue and laugh a little bit

713
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: at that. But you know, just to comment, I'm not

714
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: trying We're not trying to hate on a guy for

715
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: making a dollar out of, you know, off this, because

716
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: we're doing the same thing. Um, It's just I guess

717
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: how it's presented is kind of where we see a

718
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: little bit of conflict. Yeah, yeah, And I think if anything,

719
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, seeing stuff that makes us feel off, I

720
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: think that is like UM as a great reminder for

721
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: me to always be care for about how I'm conducting

722
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: myself or presenting what we're doing UM, and the importance

723
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: of trying to represent things the right way UM, or

724
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: at least in the way that I feel is right UM.

725
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: And you know, probably rather than complaining, the best thing

726
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: to do is is to uh to speak with actions

727
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: and hopefully go about things the way we think that

728
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: that is is the is the best possible way to

729
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: do it. So I guess that's what I'm gonna try to.

730
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: I'm trying to trying to look at some of the

731
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: things I see out there that maybe I don't care

732
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: for so much and try to make sure that what

733
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: we're doing here at Weird Hunt UM portray something different.

734
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: So I guess that was what a t was good

735
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: for me to see, was what I don't want to

736
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: be UM. And then also, you know, there's certainly examples

737
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: of what I would like to to you know, to

738
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: be too. So that's right, that's right. Can I can

739
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: I put a silver lining on that? Please? Do? I think?

740
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: And and maybe this is just that I didn't notice it.

741
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: But I didn't see as much of that stuff. Um,

742
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: and maybe just because I I wasn't paying attention to it,

743
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: it could have been there, but I don't think. Maybe

744
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: it was, and I don't think you guys are saying

745
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: was widespread, But coming from a guy who's never been

746
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: there before, I saw a little bit of it, but

747
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: it wasn't really something that really stood out big time

748
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 1: to me. So for what it's worth, I guess that's good.

749
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: It's not you know, it wasn't rampant or anything like that.

750
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: It was there. There's a couple of things that I saw,

751
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: but all in all, I was you know, I thought

752
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: it was cool. Yeah, that was good to hear. And

753
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: that's you know, we're probably more tuned into it because

754
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 1: or maybe we've just seen little things for so long

755
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: that now we just noticed it more. Um, you're more

756
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: to notice it. Yeah. No, that's good to hear though. Um,

757
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: So to your point, there was silver lining. Let's talk

758
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: about the good stuff. A good stuff, good stuff because

759
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: there was some cool stuff there. Um. Why Dan, do

760
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: you I guess real quick to you compared to past years,

761
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 1: do you think that the like slate of new stuff

762
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: was better or on par or worse than what we

763
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: usually see as far as the exciting new products. I'm

764
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: gonna say a little bit of average. Right. So, every year,

765
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: these companies feel that they probably got to come out

766
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: with something new just so they make some kind of impact.

767
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: That way, they get some kind of market share in

768
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: whatever category that they're selling in, and uh, then they

769
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: market that and that's how they know, generate exposure for

770
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: new sales. Right. So some companies, you know, some companies

771
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: try to do that every year. Some companies, you know,

772
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,479
Speaker 1: take their time and try to do do it right

773
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: and maybe take a little bit longer. And then there's

774
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: some companies that just have great products. Like I'll just

775
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: use Lone Wolf as an example. I mean, I talked

776
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: with the guy who owns Lone Wolf, and he's just like,

777
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: I mean, if we're gonna come out with something, it's

778
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: got to be really good because we already have a

779
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: product that's really good. If that makes sense, No no

780
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: use throwing some random new stuff out there every year

781
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: if there's not real change, right right exactly. Yeah, I

782
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: kind of felt like the same thing that it was

783
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: kind of on average I'd say it's like it was

784
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: like an average amount of new stuff, but maybe I

785
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: just felt that there isn't all that much new and exciting,

786
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: like whatever there is is a little incremental improvements for everybody,

787
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: but there wasn't like a whole lot of stuff that

788
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: was like, holy crap, this is awesome. Like I don't know,

789
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: did Josh, did you see anything that you're like, holy smokes,

790
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 1: this is it. I thought kind of the same way,

791
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: and I was talking with people like trying to find

792
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: out like, hey, what do I need to go see

793
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: what's you know, what's the next big thing? And everyone

794
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: was kind of like, well, there's not a lot of No,

795
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: there's nothing really that major out this year. And it

796
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: sounds like kind of a lot of the companies maybe

797
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: kind of just scaled back a little bit this year

798
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: or whatever the case. Maybe um from what I heard, um,

799
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was kind of a lot of the

800
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: stuff I've seen already out there, just a little tweaks

801
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: to certain things, but nothing, um, you know, nothing like

802
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: monumental like holy cow, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So I

803
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: didn't get to look at products as much as I

804
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: think that the two of you did. Um, so I

805
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: want to hear about the biggest part of bow hunting bows.

806
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: Did you guys get to look at a lot of bows?

807
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Josh, you talk first. Yeah, I looked at

808
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: like all the major bow companies. Um, I didn't shoot

809
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: any just there's such a line up around the the

810
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: shooting walls to to shoot the bows, and I just

811
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: wasn't really interested in waiting in line to shoot him.

812
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: Um I didn't shoot any, but just kind of the

813
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: one that there's kind of like three that stuck out

814
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: to me that I felt good in the hand and

815
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: look good. And um, I like the Halen for Matthews

816
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: Halonty two. That's a slick looking bow. I really like

817
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: the Prime Synergy Synergy. However, you say that that just

818
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: interesting concept. They moved the that move the grip up

819
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: to the center of the bow just kind of really

820
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: sits in her hand nice. And then uh, I always

821
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: done a fan of Bear. I like the Bear Moment.

822
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: That was a nice looking bow. So those are kind

823
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: of the top three that I liked. But I mean, really,

824
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: all those big time ballmakers and all those bows are

825
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: so nice and I'm shooting nice, so you really can't

826
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: go wrong. Yeah, yeah, what do you think Dan did?

827
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: Did you I know Ryan shot him? Did you shoot

828
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: any right? Um? I shot a handful of them? Um Like,

829
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: but like you, I was kind of busy doing certain things.

830
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: But in talking to Ryan, you know, all these bow

831
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: manufacturers out there, the technology just keeps getting better and better,

832
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: and these companies are just putting out a better and

833
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: better and more efficient product every year. And he he

834
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: did shoot every bow in that room, and or every

835
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: flagship bow in that room, the new new to two

836
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen models, and he's like the difference between the

837
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: cream of the op what he felt, and uh, you

838
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: know the there's there's a low obviously, then there's a middle,

839
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: and all the middle bows are with so close to

840
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: each other that you can barely even tell. And then

841
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: there's he has like a top four that he he

842
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: called out that he really liked. And um but yeah,

843
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean I I shot a I shot a handful

844
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: of bows. And man, I'll tell you what, You're gonna

845
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: laugh at me for saying this. But if there's anybody

846
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: out there that gets the opportunity, and I don't want

847
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: this to sound like a commercial, but take a look

848
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: at a company called Gear head archery. They make that

849
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: double riser all this funky little thing. Yeah. So they

850
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: just came out with the T thirty this year and

851
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: it is a um it's it's a thirty in axle

852
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: to axle version because they have an eight team they

853
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: have a twenty and in axle to axel. So those

854
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: are really small bows, right. Um. First time I walked

855
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: by and just like, is this a kid's bow? I don't,

856
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: Is this like for fun? And then you start to

857
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: learn about it and shoot it? Oh my lord, I'm

858
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: not gonna say anything except if you get the opportunity

859
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: to shoot a gearhead bow, shoot it. Well, I'm curious

860
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: because literally I've I've not paid any attention to it.

861
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: What what's the gist? Why why is it so great? What? How?

862
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: Why does this double riser thing make it different? Okay,

863
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: so from what the guy told me, and this is

864
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: just like second hand information from the guy at the

865
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: shooting lane. Um, so it just absorbs more energy, right,

866
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: And there's no hand shock, really, there's no All I

867
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: can say is when I shot it, it's that like

868
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 1: that that sound, that perfect sound. Right. So I talked

869
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: with an engineer on my podcast a while ago from

870
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: Bear who was talking about sound and efficient bows. So

871
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: if if a bow is loud and has some handshock,

872
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: that means it's unefficient, right, it's forms of inefficiencies. Now

873
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: if a bow is quiet and has little hand shock,

874
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: then it's more efficient, right, So more of that energy

875
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: goes to driving the arrow. Yes, that makes sense. Yep.

876
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: So this this particular bow, and there's other there's some

877
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: other bows in the room that that were similar to this,

878
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 1: but just the design. Being able to keep my hand

879
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: open and it's like the tips of my fingers, I

880
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: was able to rest on the inside of the riser

881
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: because the the rest is in between the risers. The

882
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: site goes in betwetween the risers, and the grip is

883
00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: dead center. So it's all I gotta say is shoot it.

884
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: It's it's crazy, I mean it is. It's one of

885
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: those do you ever remember shooting an old, older bottle

886
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: bow and then you pick up one of the newer ones,

887
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: like your bow maybe ten fifteen years old, and then

888
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: you go and shoot one of these brand new ones

889
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: and you're just like whoa, yeah, right, it's like that, huh.

890
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you. You gotta give him credit.

891
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: For trying something new. I mean we just we're just talking.

892
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: We're just complaining about how there's nothing new anymore. So right,

893
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: these guys are trying it. I mean, this this isn't there.

894
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: This wasn't their first a t A show. They I mean,

895
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: they've been around for like I think two or three

896
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: years now, and uh um so this this T thirty.

897
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: They came out with two different models of it. One

898
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: of them is called the Mongolian and it has those

899
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: curved up tips. Oh yeah, so that one's I guess

900
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: their speed bow. But yeah, that's just one of the bows. Um.

901
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: I shot a bear LS something that was really seven

902
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: l S six seven stuff like that, Yeah, something like Yeah,

903
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: I think it was the seven that I shot And

904
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: it felt really good too. Those were two that are

905
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: come off the top of my head. Nice. Yeah, I

906
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: wish I had gotten to check them out. But like

907
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: we're talking about, I've always thought the lines and the

908
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: weight and stuff always seemed like I didn't want to

909
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: wait around with much people to shoot. But but yeah,

910
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of cool looking bowls, no doubt

911
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: about that. I think what I always kind of come

912
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: away from this is like there's always these incremental other

913
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: than maybe this gearhead. Um. You know, all these bowls

914
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: are are really great. Um, it's just like finding the

915
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: right fit for you. Um. You know, I feel like

916
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: some of us, like some people can shoot a really

917
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: heavy pounds bow that's not terribly forgiving and super fast

918
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: and they're to be fine with it. Um. But then

919
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: there's people who need something that's you know, maybe not

920
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: as fast but is going to you know that the

921
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: draw cycle is more. You know, I need a bowl

922
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: I can hold back easily. I need a bowl that

923
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: I can get back easily. I'm at that big buff dude.

924
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: So um, you know, I prioritize different things. So I

925
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: think my biggest thing over the years has been just like, Okay,

926
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: what's the right bow for my fit and feel? Um right,

927
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: and testing those things out. I think it's pretty important, right. Yeah.

928
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: And one thing I took away from this whole experiences

929
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: there's definitely no shortage of bow options out there. I

930
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: mean there's so many different models and companies and a

931
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: lot of companies you never even heard or they're you know,

932
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: smaller companies on that are growing or whatever. But there's

933
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 1: definitely no shortage of options to to try and shoot

934
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: and see what fits best for you. Yeah. I also

935
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: I also noticed that there was a handful of companies,

936
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: I'll use New Breed as an example that started off

937
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: being a compound company, but now they're extending their range

938
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: into traditional as well, so they're there. I think the

939
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: industry is kind of seeing a little uh spark in

940
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: the trad world, That's true. I feel like there's a

941
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: number of even like the big companies that were featuring

942
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: their traditional options a little more. I know, Bear obviously

943
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: showed off their traditional stuff. I saw Hoyt was, you know,

944
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 1: featuring there. I think there had to recare ever something

945
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: that they were featuring there pretty prominently too. So there's

946
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: definitely a currently as one. Yeah do that, yep. I

947
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: think Elite has a traditional bow as well. Nice. What

948
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: about accessories, uh, anything in the accessory standpoint, stabilizers, rest sites,

949
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: anything stand out on that front? Josh see anything, josh um.

950
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many different accessories. Trying to think

951
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: of a couple. I've never used one, but they seem

952
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: to be picking up a lot of popularity. Is like

953
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: kind of those offset stabilizers, Yeah, like the sidebars, Like

954
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: I know, I think Trophy Ridges came out with one

955
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: this year, and there's a couple of other companies that

956
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: have them. Um. Yeah, I think Beasting I'd be I'd

957
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: be willing to try those. Yep they got one. Yep,

958
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: still Craze, that's the one I was trying to think of.

959
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: UM But yeah, definitely seeing like more of those options

960
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: which look intriguing, I wouldn't mind trying one of those

961
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: at some point. Um. No, nothing nothing that really stands out. UM.

962
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: You know a couple of new drop away drop away

963
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: rests and things like that, I don't I think True

964
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: Blow had a new one. I can't think of the

965
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: name of it. Um Ah had a one that they

966
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: came out, Trophy Ridge had a new version too, right,

967
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: you know something like that. They had like four or

968
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: five new different UM sites, and then they also had

969
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: the Level yet, which is a drop away option. UM.

970
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything too fancy about it. I

971
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: think it's just kind of a UM if I'm remembering

972
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: the right, And I could be completely wrong in this.

973
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: I talked to so many people, but I think what

974
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: they said it was more of like a UM like

975
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: an entry level kind of drop away rest for the

976
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: people looking to get into those at a decent price point.

977
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: I could be totally wrong on that, so don't quote

978
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: me on that, but um, it's like a you know,

979
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: a decent, decent option. I never shot one of those.

980
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: I I'd be willing to give one of those to

981
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: try too. So what about you, Dan, did you see

982
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: any sites or rest or anything that we're intriguing. Yeah? Okay,

983
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: so h H came out with a drop away rest.

984
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: I think this year pretty simple. But they also came

985
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: out and I know, I don't think they're the first

986
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: person to do this, but they're typically a one pin company,

987
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: like a one pin site company, yeah, which you make

988
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: adjustments on the side when after you arranged the animal,

989
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 1: you know, you make your adjustments on yardage. So they

990
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: have this site that I kind of found interesting where

991
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: it was it's just three pin site, right, so you

992
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: side in and forty, but and you keep the you

993
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: keep the knob at forty. But when let's say there's

994
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 1: a sixty yard you need a sixty yard shot forroute

995
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: west or you know, anything longer than forty, you can

996
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: adjust that knob back to you know, seventy whatever, and

997
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: then you use the bottom pin two as your as

998
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: your as the pin you want to use. So it's

999
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: it's perfect for maybe a white tail hunter that is

1000
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,479
Speaker 1: uh in the tree stand, but at the same time

1001
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: it can be used for the spot and stock hunter

1002
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: where Okay, I'm gonna arrange that bush and that bush

1003
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: is forty yards away from that that that bush is

1004
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: forty yards away from that bedded animal. So I make

1005
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: it there. I got. I don't have to change, I

1006
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: don't have to make any adjust it's it's it's either

1007
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: gonna be twenty or forty. If it's inside forty, I

1008
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 1: don't need to make any adjustments. But if he pops

1009
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: up real quick, then I can quick adjust and then

1010
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: use the bottom pin. So it's almost like a multi site,

1011
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: so there's always stay the same you set that, but

1012
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: then you can manually adjust the one pin however you

1013
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: want in the field, as if you're using a single

1014
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: pin site the whole time, right, right, so you keep

1015
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: you keep the site at forty yards right, so then

1016
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: that keeps the twenty thirty and forty pins are currently

1017
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 1: in range. Then you can move it from forty yards

1018
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: and out. This is my understanding of it. And you

1019
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: use the bottom pin, so once you move it, the

1020
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: top two pins are off, but the bottom pin is on,

1021
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 1: so you use the bottom pin for the fifties, sixty,

1022
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: seventy whatever. And yeah, okay, interesting, what do you use?

1023
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: Do use a single pin? You don't use a single pin? Right?

1024
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: Then you use like a three pin or something? Well, no,

1025
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: I used in the past. I've used a couple of

1026
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: single pins. Then I changed to that react site. And

1027
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: now I think that that h J kind of got

1028
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: me thinking about how I how I hunt. And you know,

1029
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be going out west this year, but I'm

1030
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: also a tree stand hunter, you know, from majority of

1031
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: the year, so it's like I don't want to have

1032
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: to change my gear. Before I had come back to

1033
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: whitetail hunting. So I think this site I'm looking to

1034
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: do like a revamp this year. So I'm strongly looking

1035
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: at that three pin site. Interesting. Yeah, I've got the

1036
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: five pin racked, so I've got sixty um, So that's

1037
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: that's work for me out west and here. But I

1038
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: know some people don't like having that many pins. You

1039
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: know that that can be tough on your site picture

1040
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: there when you've got so much in the way. So

1041
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 1: I get. I get the intrigue with looking at different

1042
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: options for some people. Um. Yeah, As far as accessories,

1043
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: for me, there was like nothing that stood out. Um.

1044
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's one of those things that unless

1045
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: you go like talk to someone in detail, it's hard

1046
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: to like notice that, oh there's this thing and it's

1047
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: different because it drops away just a little bit faster

1048
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: or something like that. Um. But I'll tell you one

1049
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: thing that did stand out was tree stands. There are

1050
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: a couple of fun There are a couple of funky

1051
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: tree stands, and one of them one tree I was

1052
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: just looking back on Facebook, Josh, um and you did

1053
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 1: a great job posting pictures and everything, and the millennium

1054
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: tree stand that is like degree big circle that that

1055
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: post you put on social media got shared like a

1056
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: thousand times and like twenty million people or something. Stupid

1057
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: I saw that thing. Um, I don't remember the exact number,

1058
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: but it was twenty thousand or I don't know. There

1059
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 1: was a lot of people and everyone was comedy about

1060
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: how bizarre more interesting they found this tree stand. So

1061
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: kurt me if I'm wrong, And I don't remember what

1062
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: it's called, but it is basically a very large like

1063
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: a I don't know, maybe three and a half foot

1064
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: diameter circular metal platform platform, you know, and then it's

1065
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: got a swivel seat in the middle of it, and

1066
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: then that whole thing attaches off its side to the tree. Um.

1067
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: And then the justice that you can sit on that

1068
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: and spend three sixty degrees on your little platform while

1069
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: you're big platform. Um. Yeah, man, that thing looks heavy

1070
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: and big and hard to get something in a tree.

1071
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: You know what it's like. It's almost like a tripod

1072
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: stand that attaches to the tree. I mean that's kind

1073
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: of what it's basically what it's like. Um. But yeah,

1074
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: it looks super heavy. I can't remember the exact stecks

1075
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: on it for the weight, but I don't know how

1076
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: you get that thing up into the tree without having

1077
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: some sort of poly system or something, because that did

1078
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: not look light. It's funny you said that. It's funny

1079
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: that you said Polly because I was talking and it

1080
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily the Millennium stand, but I was talking to

1081
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: another company and the guys like, yeah, I just get

1082
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: one or two of your buddies. First thing you do,

1083
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: climb up hook a Polly up to a branch or

1084
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: screwed in the tree and then you just kind of

1085
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: have your one buddy hold it while you climb back

1086
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: up and uh, you know, attach it. I'm just like,

1087
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: so it's like, yep, exactly exactly that I was gonna

1088
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: saying too. Yeah, that moonstand was nuts. I think I

1089
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: think the idea behind it is cool, though. We'll tell

1090
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: us about that. Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. So so

1091
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: basically from what I remember, and Danny May you can

1092
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: crrect me if I'm wrong, but it's it's like a

1093
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: cable less tree stand, so you don't have those classic

1094
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: cables on your lock on stands that drop you know

1095
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: that connect the seat or the the center post to

1096
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: the platform. It's the platform like folded back underneath the

1097
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: but I'm sorry that the t post like folded back

1098
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: under the platform. And I once you get to the tree,

1099
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: open it up and then you have to put a

1100
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: bolt in it to get everything to stay. And then yeah,

1101
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: they said you have to like pull a you know,

1102
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: do like a Polley system to get it up in

1103
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: the tree stand because the half to shape one it

1104
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: was like pounds or something like. Yeah, it's crazy, so heavy. Um,

1105
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: but it's similar to that millennium stand where you have

1106
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: a bigger um like radius of of shot, opportunities being

1107
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: able to stand on the side of it um or

1108
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: like the guy explained, you could you know, hi'd your

1109
01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: silouette better, you know, geers coming from a from somewhere

1110
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: you didn't think you would come. You can kind of

1111
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: slide around and get behind the tree of a like

1112
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: a half moon shape platform. So definitely interesting concept. Um,

1113
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: cool looking stand, cool idea, But just in terms of

1114
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: um practicality, I wouldn't want to be lugging a forty

1115
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: pounds fifty pound tree stand out to my stand, that's

1116
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: for sure. It's not mobile. Yeah, no, it'd be i'd

1117
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: be when you hang in the off season you leave

1118
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: there all years for sure, right right, Definitely not I

1119
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: guess maybe for specifically how we hunt lots of times,

1120
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: maybe not the best fit for us, But some people

1121
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: I could see, you know, there could be some interesting

1122
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: uses for it. Uh. It did have a quarter like

1123
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: a quarter moon I think it's called a quarter moon platform.

1124
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: I think that one was like twenty five pounds, so

1125
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: that's a little bit more reasonable. Um in terms of weight.

1126
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: You just don't have the big platform like the other

1127
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: one did untill the same idea doesn't have any cables

1128
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Now for me, I like the

1129
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: exact opposite of that. I want the smallest lightest stand possible.

1130
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: And um, I don't know if you guys saw this one,

1131
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: but speaking of Millennium, UM, I saw they have a

1132
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: stand called the micro Light. UM. It is eight and

1133
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: a half pounds. Only eight and a half pounds, so

1134
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: that's lighter than my lone Wolf stands by like two

1135
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: pounds or more. UM. And it's got that like fabric seat.

1136
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: It's not like a cushion, it's like the sling seat. UM.

1137
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: Now the platform the plat yet it's smashed. The platform

1138
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: looks really small, but that's never bothered me too much.

1139
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of interested in that because, you know,

1140
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: especially with camera gear and then all your hunting gear

1141
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: in your pack, I always like, I'm always trying to

1142
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: find some way to cut weight, just to make those

1143
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: long walks a little less uncomfortable or sweaty. Um. Do

1144
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: you guys see that one? What was the name of

1145
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: it again? It's the micro light Okay, micro light, Yeah,

1146
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: worth checking out. I thought it was kind of cool, um,

1147
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: except excep. He had like an adjustment on one of

1148
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: their stands. Those are like the similar to Lone Wolf

1149
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: stands UM. And they made those a little bit later too, right, dude,

1150
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: I think you've posted that, Josh, Yeah, I posted something

1151
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah. They I think they they're a little

1152
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: bit lighter, um, relatively all the same as last year.

1153
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: They just had like a different coding on their platform

1154
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: and things like that to make a little quieter. Um.

1155
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, those are pretty light um. But that micro

1156
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: light from Millennium was the lightest one I saw, at

1157
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: least from the things that I looked at. Yeah, Um,

1158
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: were there any others that stood to to you? Jeff,

1159
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: I really liked the Hawk tree stands UM that flows

1160
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: that one called the Helium. I think the helium is

1161
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: like they they had like an adjustable platform on it,

1162
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: so like like I know, like I've got like an

1163
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: older muddy I think it's like the Muddy outfitter or

1164
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: something like that, where the platform you can adjust it,

1165
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: um if your tree is not perfectly straight up and down. Um.

1166
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: So Hawk had that, um this new tree stand they

1167
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: just came out with the Helium. That was a nice

1168
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: looking stand. Um. All of their stuff look looked really nice,

1169
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: did it. I didn't see like a super lightweight option.

1170
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: I think they had one that was like twelve pounds. Um.

1171
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: But those looked like real nice stands and Michigan Company,

1172
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: and I'd be willing to check one of those out

1173
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: in the future. Those like looked real nice. And I

1174
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: think they had a new box line two which looked

1175
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: pretty nice. Yeah, I am totally unrelated to that, but

1176
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: I just started laughing because I thought of something I

1177
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: saw on Facebook, um related to another tree stand, and

1178
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: that was like the vine stands from Summit. Um, those

1179
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: are the ones that you know, they make the ladder

1180
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: and stuff like all weirdly shaped, um, so that you know,

1181
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't stand out in the woods like other hunters

1182
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: won't necessarily see it, or maybe so deer won't notice

1183
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: the ladder going up the side of the tree stand.

1184
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: And um, no straight lines exactly, no straight lines And

1185
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: that came out last year. UM. But I just laughed because, Um,

1186
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: there's this song and you know what, Josh, um, it's

1187
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: oh gosh, I think it's the second week of deer

1188
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: camp that we always listened to on like on the

1189
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: hunting cit and at the end of that song, they

1190
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: go treat every deer hunter like he's loaded. And somebody

1191
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: commented on a picture of the Summit Vine ladder stand

1192
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: and just said, quote treat every deer hunter like he's loaded,

1193
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: and then dot dot can you imagine trying to climb

1194
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: up this thing after a long night. I just cracked up,

1195
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: because when you look at him like, okay, yeah, that

1196
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: would be pretty tough to to climb up if you

1197
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: weren't feeling so the next day. I can't imagine Mark

1198
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: climbing up that thing, not you know, normal, you got

1199
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: one end, I got, I got. No, that's a fair point.

1200
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,479
Speaker 1: What other interesting things did you guys see? Anything good

1201
01:05:54,480 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: trail cameras? Any good trail cameras? UM, A couple of

1202
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: cool ones I think, well, Bush Knows came out like

1203
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: some updates to the trophy cams. I've always been a

1204
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: fan of the trophy cams. That's what most of my

1205
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: cameras are. And um, I think just some increased megapixels

1206
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: and things like that. I don't think anything groundbreaking on those.

1207
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: Um by point has solar. I'm sorry, go ahead, no,

1208
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: I was. I was actually gonna ask if either one

1209
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: of you guys had seen that one this by point one. Yeah, yep,

1210
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: I watched by Those are solar powers, so they've got

1211
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: so I think they had the regular camera. It's a

1212
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: solar powered option last year, as they said, um, but

1213
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: this year they're coming out with their wireless model and

1214
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: solar power option, which would be sweet. And what I

1215
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: liked about that is like, I feel like there's some

1216
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: I feel like in the past, there were some trail

1217
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: cameras that had like a separate solar panel that you

1218
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: could mount above a trail camera to power, but it

1219
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: was like really big and bulky and separate. But this

1220
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: one was small, I mean, like a very small little

1221
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: piece on top of the camera and it seemed to

1222
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: be all one, like complete package. So that was kind

1223
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: of all one unit, it looked like, especially for the

1224
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: wireless cameras, which seemed to go through batteries a little faster. Yeah. Um.

1225
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: I did put pictures of those up as if anybody

1226
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: wants to check them out. Um. And then Browning had

1227
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: like a Bluetooth connected Uh you could connect it to

1228
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: it from Bluetooth um, which sounds cool. I'm not exactly

1229
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: sure how practical you can maybe I guess if you're

1230
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: hunting near it, you could check the pictures. I think

1231
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: it they said it like went up to like a

1232
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: hundred feet or something like that. Um, so you could,

1233
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: like I'm assuming you could like check the pictures from

1234
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: your phone or something via Bluetooth. But you'd have to be,

1235
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, someone near it to do that. Um. But

1236
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: some cool technology on that front the possibility of being

1237
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: able to do that maybe a longer range in the future.

1238
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: So like that. Yeah, that's kind of the big things

1239
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: I noticed on trail cameras. I think the Conics has

1240
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: that ability on their new one too. It's like the

1241
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: micro fire or something like that. Um. I think if

1242
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: you're within like a hundred feet or a hundred yards

1243
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: or something, that you can check it from your phone,

1244
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: which I think that's something that that's going to continue

1245
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: to just spread the whole wireless trout camera, whether it's

1246
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: over cell phone networks or if it's Bluetooth or whatever. Um.

1247
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: I got out to say, I mean, I know we

1248
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier this year Dan about you know,

1249
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: is it too much technology? You know, are there some

1250
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: questionable things there? And I got to I had to

1251
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: cell cameras for the first time this year, and um,

1252
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean they were really really handy

1253
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 1: just to not have to be there, to not have

1254
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: to walk back there. Um that was I was never

1255
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: put in like a weird position where I was like, oh,

1256
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 1: I have this picture and now I'm going to go

1257
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 1: hunt there. And you know, I never had a situation

1258
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,799
Speaker 1: where I had to make that decision um that maybe

1259
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: you know could be questionable. So that was you know,

1260
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: I know, weird things go on with it that made

1261
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: me feel uncomfortable. Um, it just ended up being like

1262
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: a helpful way to avoid having to go in there

1263
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: and muck things up. So I don't know, that was nice.

1264
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: Hopefully the costs keep going down on those well that's yeah,

1265
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: all technology works that way. You know, over time, the

1266
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: technology gets better, but the cost will go down because

1267
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: it has to. I mean that's how that's how, that's competition.

1268
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: So you'll start seeing a lot of a lot of

1269
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: that technology like be probably come standard with some of

1270
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: these trail cameras here pretty soon. Yeah, I think. So

1271
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 1: speaking of technology, there's another one. I think stealth Cam

1272
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: came out with a four K trail camera and I

1273
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean that's that's like, do we need

1274
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: four K perfect imagery of these deer? Um. I guess

1275
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,879
Speaker 1: it's cool, but I've actually started going to lower pixels

1276
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 1: stuff like I I'd rather have more inexpensive trail cameras

1277
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: sometimes that maybe don't have the very highest of high

1278
01:09:56,479 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: quality pictures versus like one really expensive, tough one. So

1279
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: sometimes I find myself like trying to figure out do

1280
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:04,600
Speaker 1: I want a really high quality one or do I

1281
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: want a bunch of cheapes that I can just spread

1282
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: all over. But well, interesting stuff speaking of expensive versus

1283
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: non expensive. Though, one thing I saw that I liked

1284
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: that I don't think it's expensive at all was a

1285
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: new practice tip from G five UM. What they did,

1286
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: which I thought was kind of interesting, was they were

1287
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: looking at the fact that you know, usually when you

1288
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: need to you know, during the summer, you're shooting your

1289
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 1: field tips all the time, you're tuned in, you're sighted

1290
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 1: with that paper tune, whatever it might be. You're shooting great.

1291
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 1: But then just before the season, right, you should make

1292
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: sure you test your broadheads just to make sure everything

1293
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: is right, and then you know, adjust if you have

1294
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 1: to to make sure your broadheads are flying the same. Um.

1295
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: But inevitably what you have happens that you start shooting

1296
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: your broadheads. And number one, if you're shooting a broadhead

1297
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: or one of those fake um like expandables, is you're

1298
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: tearing up your targets. What's one issue. And then number two,

1299
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: lots of times it's going to fly differently than your

1300
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: field point, and so then you have to tweak your

1301
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: site or mess up whatever you did to tune your

1302
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 1: boat just right. And now when you practice your arrows

1303
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: fly one way with your field tips, then differently when

1304
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 1: you're actually out in their field with your broadheads. So

1305
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 1: G five did is they actually using I don't even

1306
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 1: know how to describe these different sensors and stuff, But

1307
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,799
Speaker 1: all the different tools now that allow you to measure

1308
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: like velocity and all the different factors and variables that

1309
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: influence the flight of a projectile. They're able to measure

1310
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: all these things, and they're able to make a field

1311
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 1: tip that flies exactly the same way as a broadhead,

1312
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: but it doesn't look like the broadhead. It looks different

1313
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: than the broadhead. It's it's a field tip with some

1314
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: fins on it a little bit, but it's very different

1315
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: than any of the practice that have ever seen. Um,

1316
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,839
Speaker 1: but ballistically or whatever it flies exactly has the exact

1317
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: same characteristics and it is influenced exactly the same way

1318
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: by wind and resistance and all that kind of stuff

1319
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: as the broadhead. So they have a specific field tip

1320
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: paired to a specific broadhead. UM, and I thought that

1321
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 1: was really cool. Um. I don't know if they had

1322
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: that out for all their broadheads. I think I know.

1323
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 1: The one that they were talking about was one called

1324
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: thing it's called dead meat. Was the new broadhead. Um,

1325
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: it's an I think it was. It's a new expandable um.

1326
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 1: But they were going to kind of test it this

1327
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: year and see how people, um, you know, received it,

1328
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: and then maybe they'd build out field tips for all

1329
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: sorts of broadheads. But I thought that was a simple thing.

1330
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: But like made all the suns in the world. Did

1331
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: you guys see that? I did not see that. I

1332
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 1: could not either. Kind of cooler, right, Yeah, it's science.

1333
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 1: I love science. It's science. Oh man, I don't know

1334
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: anything else you know? Broadhead? Oh yeah, Um, A couple

1335
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: of couple of ones that just like deadly the rage

1336
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: has the trypan out that looks just for diculous. I've

1337
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: seen a couple of pictures from I think the Juries

1338
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: are shooting them this year, and just some of the

1339
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: holes that they open up. Holy cow, it has like

1340
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: two inch plus UM flip trick. They came out the

1341
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: mechanical it's called I think it's called the Raptor trick,

1342
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: and that's like a two inch cut diameter. N AP

1343
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: had a mechanical the Spitfire double cross and it was

1344
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 1: like a like a total three inch cutting radius. UM.

1345
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 1: It ends up being like a four blade mechanical UM,

1346
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool looking. And they also came out

1347
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: the fixed blade called the thunder Thunderhead Nitro. It's a

1348
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 1: little bit of a lower profile than some of the

1349
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: other uh fix blades out there. The guy I was

1350
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: talking to, so they've been road popular with the western hunters,

1351
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: maybe taking some longer shots. UM. So those are kind

1352
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 1: of the the three main broadheads that I I looked at.

1353
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 1: It at least looked like, um, pretty darn deadly. Anything

1354
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: else stand up to you, dam No, I'll be honest.

1355
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: I looked at very little broadhead company as while I

1356
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: was there. For some reason, I did notice the Slick Trick,

1357
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: the new Slick Trick Broadhead mechanical. But other than that,

1358
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: I guess I wasn't even drawn for some reason to

1359
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: some of the other Um. I stopped at a couple

1360
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 1: of booths, but like WASP was one of them I

1361
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: stopped at. I don't I don't think they came out

1362
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: with anything new. Um. And what other broadheads did I

1363
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 1: look at? I can't even remember, But it just I

1364
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess I wasn't really drawn to broadheads

1365
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah. You know, something I noticed that was

1366
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 1: all you, Josh, I was just a dead ringer. Had

1367
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: a lot of new broadheads out, Yeah, had a whole

1368
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 1: bunch of them that different price points, and um, some

1369
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: cool looking ones too. They they had a ton of

1370
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: new stuff out, and they were the ones that had

1371
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: that lovely advertising in the bathroom. Yeah, that was well positioned,

1372
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: well positioned right over the urinals for everybody to see. Um.

1373
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that. The thing I noticed it

1374
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: was a little different was that um, Muzzy and Rage

1375
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: are now offering like broadhead and arrow combination UM packs

1376
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 1: Like they're selling I think three arrows with three broadheads

1377
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: and field tips include all in one single package kind

1378
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 1: of supposedly, you know, properly, you know, the right set,

1379
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: the right match for arrow to broadhead, etcetera. UM, And

1380
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: I think it was a gold tibarrow with each of those.

1381
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys saw that, but that

1382
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: was I guess interested that for people that maybe are

1383
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 1: new to hunting that I don't know how to maybe

1384
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,600
Speaker 1: pair those, that might be something to be helpful. I

1385
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: don't know if that'll be a trend that grows or not,

1386
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 1: but um, that was kind of interesting. That was the

1387
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 1: only thing I saw broadhead related otherwise. Um, to your point, Dan,

1388
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: there wasn't other than like the practice tip stuff I saw.

1389
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 1: There wasn't anything that really stood out. Um. You know,

1390
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: the the one other thing that I noticed that was

1391
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: really popular and lots of people were talking about that's

1392
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: totally unrelated. But moving to a different category clothing would

1393
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: be remiss not to mention our friends at Sitka UM

1394
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: who launched two really big new things that I don't know,

1395
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: I felt like. I felt like their stuff was like

1396
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 1: they had people crowding out of their booth every time

1397
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: I walked out there, so there soon to be a

1398
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 1: lot of buzz about it. They launched a women's line

1399
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 1: of clothing which is uh, you know, specifically designed and

1400
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: tested and put together by female hunters, which is pretty cool.

1401
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 1: And then they also launched the Subalpine um new camouflage

1402
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: pattern and some associated gear which is designed specifically for

1403
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: big game hunters at lower elevations. UM. So those are

1404
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Um. I know, I've been hearing from some

1405
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: females that are pretty excited about that. And there's a

1406
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 1: lot of new clothing companies coming out, Yeah, lots of them,

1407
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: and mark to your to your point that Booze has

1408
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 1: packed the entire time. Yeah, every time you walk by,

1409
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 1: just people, people coming out, and we kind of got

1410
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 1: the run down from um one of people working the

1411
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: booth on the women's lines. It's just incredible the amount

1412
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 1: of detail that goes into it to it's not like

1413
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: they just made them in like the men's line and

1414
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: a women's you know sizes right, totally new. I mean,

1415
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: different heat mapping for the insulation and pocket placement depending

1416
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: on like the you know, the female anatomy and things that.

1417
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: It is crazy, just the amount of detail, um, that

1418
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 1: that goes into that. It's pretty pretty cool to see.

1419
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: Never would have I never would have guessed it. Yeah,

1420
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 1: you know, another thing that I would never have guessed

1421
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 1: would have been something that so many people would ask

1422
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 1: about would be the new Lacrosse boots in the sick

1423
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: opt to Fade pattern. I feel like everybody was talking

1424
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: about that, which is a simple improvement. But they look

1425
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 1: pretty sweet. I gotta I gotta give you that. That's right,

1426
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: the thing I'm looking forward to buying the most this year. Yeah,

1427
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,679
Speaker 1: I got a pair of my short list of things

1428
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 1: to buy. Yeah, I try to pair this winner and

1429
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: they're they're very nice. I mean, they're your typical alpha

1430
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 1: Burley boot that's been that dependable rubber knee high from

1431
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: Lacrosse for a while now. Um, but they look slick.

1432
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: If you've got I think they're available. And I think

1433
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: Subalpine and opt to Fade elevated too, So if you

1434
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: wear one of those cameras, it's a good luck. So Mark,

1435
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 1: I think it was the I think it was elevated too.

1436
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 1: And the duck of the waterfowl pattern, I don't think

1437
01:18:56,360 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 1: Itine that makes more sense too. Yeah, well, Dan, is

1438
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 1: there any other products stuff you saw that's worth kind

1439
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 1: of running down. I feel we've kind of slowly worked

1440
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: their way through a bunch of different categories, But was

1441
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 1: there anything that He's like, Well, I'll tell you what.

1442
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: You know, you go to these shows and you get

1443
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: the opportunity to meet a ton of people, um and there.

1444
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: I want to encourage all the listeners to do your

1445
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: research before you buy your buy any gear, because just

1446
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: because there's a giant company that spends a ton of

1447
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 1: money in marketing, don't make your decision based off that.

1448
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: Make your decision based off of what fits and feels

1449
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 1: right for you. Because there's there are a lot of

1450
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:52,480
Speaker 1: smaller companies out there that make, um, make really good products.

1451
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: So I would say take a look at that, and

1452
01:19:55,479 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: and kind of elaborating on the good people, um, the

1453
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: good people small business. I ran into a company called

1454
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: Rugged Meats. Did you guys happen to run run into that?

1455
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: They were in a very small booth. They were in

1456
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: a back wall where all you know, you'll see a

1457
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: lot of these uh, a lot of these businesses with

1458
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: no like nobody at their booth. They're just kind of

1459
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: sitting there and no one there's no no one stops

1460
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 1: at him. So I stopped at there, stopped at their booth,

1461
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 1: and they gave me like a sample of this uh

1462
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:39,839
Speaker 1: this uh meat stick. It was made out of wild bore. Right.

1463
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,759
Speaker 1: So this company, you know, obviously in the South, everybody

1464
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 1: knows that there's a huge hog problem right there, overpopulated.

1465
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: They're destroying the landscape all this stuff. So what this

1466
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 1: company does is it works with landowners to capture them alive,

1467
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 1: take them to a processing plant, and turn them into

1468
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: delicious food. Wow. So it's I thought it was kind

1469
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 1: of cool. It's all natural food. There's no steroids or

1470
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 1: any type of it's organic, and it is um. They

1471
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: make these wild boar um snack sticks, I think is

1472
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 1: what they're calling. Looking at the guy's business card right now,

1473
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: and uh, they're really nice people. And for some reason

1474
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: that just stuck out to me as a really cool

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Speaker 1: takeaway from that show is you know, you're gotta meet

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01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 1: really really awesome people at these shows who have these

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01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 1: new and unique you know, these unique companies that may

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01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: go you know, may go unnoticed otherwise. So I felt

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01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 1: the need to maybe shout out a company like that

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01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 1: that kind of has an uh presented a new idea

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01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 1: to maybe a problem, a solution to a problem. And

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01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: and these guys are kind of you know, making their

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01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 1: dollar based off of a nuisance animal. No, they're not

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01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: wild pig though, right, I mean, no, they're they're wild.

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01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 1: They're not raised. These are these are wild boars. Like

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01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 1: down in the South you'll see like some guys shooting

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01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: the machine gun out of a helicopter. Right, they're they're

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01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 1: these they're these nuisance animals. So they can't shoot them

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01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 1: and take them into the processor because that goes against

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01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 1: like the U s d A regulations. So these farmers

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01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 1: will set these huge traps up for them, they'll catch

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01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of them at one time, and then

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01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,759
Speaker 1: they'll take them to the processor and then this company

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01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: buys the meat off of them. Okay, because interesting because

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01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,719
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it's it's illegal to commercially sell

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01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 1: wild animal meet you know, the commercial harvest of wild

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01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,839
Speaker 1: animals was outlawed, but I guess that must be different

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01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: in this kind of case, which is interesting. That's why

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01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 1: my question. That's only if the animals dead, so they

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01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 1: have to bring them alive to the processor, and that

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01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 1: way the U s d A can get their hands

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01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 1: on it. This is from my understanding, the U s

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01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: DA can get their hands on it, inspect everything make

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01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:06,600
Speaker 1: sure it's clean and there's no problems with it, and

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01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, and then they can then they can sell it.

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01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: And I think probably a lot of it has to

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01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 1: do with it being a nuisance animal, right right. Well, Hey, that's,

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01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 1: like you said, a creative solution to what you know

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01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: sounds like a significant problem down a lot of parts

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01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 1: of the country. So that's kind of cool. And so

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01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: I bought a So I bought a couple, and every

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01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 1: night this week I've been munching on one of them,

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01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 1: so they've taste pretty good. Still, Oh dude, their barbecue

1514
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 1: flavor is something that I would put in a pack,

1515
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:38,719
Speaker 1: like for for an elk hunt. I like it. I'm

1516
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 1: I haven't even dinner yet, so I'm definitely getting hungry. Um,

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01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 1: speaking of well real quick, is there anything else other

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01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 1: than that, Josh, anything else you want to make sure

1519
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:51,679
Speaker 1: to mention that people should know about. Um. I don't

1520
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 1: know if people really care about it, but I thought

1521
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: maybe the most interesting thing that I saw there was

1522
01:23:56,520 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 1: like the eight or nine foot Sasquatch three D target

1523
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 1: from Reinhardt. That was pretty impressive. I think that comes

1524
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 1: out in two eighteen. They said that was that was

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01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 1: pretty wild. To see. The thing is huge. You gotta

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01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 1: get that and put it in your backyard, Josh, that

1527
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 1: should be your But they go, yeah, I go over

1528
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:22,640
Speaker 1: real well, uh speaking of elk uh, Josh, while we

1529
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: have you, Yeah, your first elk hunting trip, and Dan

1530
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: had his first elk hunting trip in the same place

1531
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 1: the year before. Do you guys want to commiserate on

1532
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: the fact that we can't seem to kill any bull

1533
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 1: up there to find someone else to go hunt with? Josh, Dan,

1534
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 1: maybe you and I should go together. Yeah, I guess

1535
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:50,600
Speaker 1: I was the common thread of the issue there. Yeah,

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01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a it was a trip of

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01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,640
Speaker 1: a lifetime and hopefully I don't know if I'll be

1538
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: able to do it this year, but you know I've

1539
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: I've got it time. So then they go going another one.

1540
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 1: So it was it was a great time. It was.

1541
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 1: It was a tough week um of hunting. U buddy

1542
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: Andy shout that cow on the first day. But other

1543
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 1: than that, I mean, it was pretty pretty tough hunting

1544
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: until really the last day was the first time I

1545
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: saw a decent bowl of old trip or second to

1546
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: last day, and and then Dan, that's when I just

1547
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,560
Speaker 1: got totally left behind by by Mark over there with

1548
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 1: those long legs they run en up this mountain and

1549
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 1: I was just I was dying. I couldn't keep it.

1550
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 1: So it was that the notes it self to getting

1551
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: better shape. Yeah, we're getting a job that allows you

1552
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 1: to live in uh, Montana for entire summer. Huh. Yeah. Yeah,

1553
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 1: it was live out there for the summer and hike

1554
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: and get used to the elevation and then maybe it

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01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't be so bad. Yeah, it was aesop. I'd do

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01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,600
Speaker 1: it again in a heartbeat. Yeah, yeah, it's uh. I

1557
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 1: guess I did have a little bit of an advantage

1558
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 1: there that helps. How's your workouts coming down and you're

1559
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 1: getting Are you off to a good start? Yeah, dude,

1560
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: spent thirty minutes on a treadmill today. Nice. That's good. Well,

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01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 1: I think with that we should wrap it up. We've

1562
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: we've kind of rambled on for a little while here

1563
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: and uh and we're well past time. So Josh, thanks

1564
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 1: for thanks for catching up again with us. This is fun.

1565
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. It's a good time. You want

1566
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 1: to make fun of me some more, and I'll do

1567
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:27,600
Speaker 1: another one. Well, Josh, it is your responsibility now to

1568
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,640
Speaker 1: bring someone else in so we don't focus on you

1569
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 1: anymore because as of right now you're you're still the

1570
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 1: new guy. So the next time, bring someone else and

1571
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:40,719
Speaker 1: we'll just shame them. It's true. Perfect, I'll just started

1572
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: doing my research. We're gonna hopefully have hopefully Josh will

1573
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 1: be out with me in Iowa this year too dance,

1574
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 1: so you can you can rag on him in person too. Perfect. Awesome. Alright,

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01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 1: well let's wrap this one up. But to do that,

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01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: we first need to thank our partners who helped keep

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01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: this podcast on the air so big. Thanks to sit

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Speaker 1: a Gear, Redneck, Blinds Hunter, a Maps, Yeti, Cooler's Ozonics,

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01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:09,600
Speaker 1: Carbon Express, may Haven Optics, and the White Tail Institute

1580
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 1: of North America. We really really appreciate their support. And

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01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 1: also haven't mentioned this in a little while, but if

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01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 1: you haven't yet left a rating or review for this

1583
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 1: podcast on iTunes, that is a huge help. So if

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01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: you happen to have an extra thirty seconds or a minute,

1585
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 1: if you can head over to iTunes and share this

1586
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 1: You're honest feedback, that would be awesome. Speaking of, we

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01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: also just want to thank you for spending this time

1588
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 1: this year today. I appreciate you listening hopefully found this

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01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 1: one interesting some of our you know, our talks about

1590
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 1: some of this different gear. Maybe that inspired you to

1591
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: pick up some exciting new things this year, and hopefully,

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01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 1: most importantly, you'll stay wired to hunt