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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast builds through the draft. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another edition are they Around the NFL Podcast?

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas and I am joined by

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Speaker 1: room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: What's up boys? Happy draft night? Oh? Some people happier

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Speaker 1: than others? Am I right? Mark Sesler? What about you?

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Speaker 1: Don Henley? I mean I am You're calling me Don Henley? Why? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: These shirts are It's a trend. It's an official trend.

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Speaker 1: It's a thing that's going on in your world. And

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Speaker 1: I keep well, a lot of people didn't think I

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Speaker 1: would go Henley back to back days and I wanted

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Speaker 1: to upend shock. Even a new garment or is just

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Speaker 1: the same one again, Now it's a different one. People

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Speaker 1: we thought the bear shocked the world were talking. Greg

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Speaker 1: Rosenthal comes along and is completely upending his wardrobe and

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Speaker 1: one of the more pivotal points of the league calendar. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's spend more time on my hanleys. Um. This is

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Speaker 1: the late late Thursday edition of the Around the NFL Podcast,

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Speaker 1: driven of course by Hyundai and Yes. About about forty

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Speaker 1: five minutes ago or so, the first round concluded of

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft in Philadelphia. Um, a uh first round

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Speaker 1: that came with its fair share of surprises. Fair to say, West, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think we're all shocked by the Bears

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Speaker 1: and Brooks or Sosimo our picture for the shield just

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Speaker 1: stopped me in the hallway and said, what a day.

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Speaker 1: At least we're not Bears fans. Yeah, it does, It

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Speaker 1: does hit at that point, and we brought it up

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Speaker 1: on this podcast before that. If you're a Bears fan

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Speaker 1: of a certain age, and I'll put you around right

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Speaker 1: around like that, forty years old, a little bit younger

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Speaker 1: than forty. You are a sneaky, tortured fan base. And

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe Mitchell Trabisky turns out to be an all pro.

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Speaker 1: And and course, if you're listening to show, you know

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Speaker 1: what happened by now, the Bears gave up the farm

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Speaker 1: to move up one spot from three to two and

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Speaker 1: go get the U n C quarterback. Uh. But you know,

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Speaker 1: right now as things stand, Bears fans are scratched on

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Speaker 1: their head. We just mortgaged our future to get a

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Speaker 1: quarterback that we don't know much about. We haven't seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of tape of nobody was really sold on

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Speaker 1: dollars to Mike Lennon. He just throughout the first pitch

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Speaker 1: at Wrigley Field for it, And what are we doing here?

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Speaker 1: So if you're a bearrass fan, I get it right.

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Speaker 1: They Bears fans had the night that Mark Sessler was fearing.

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Speaker 1: They are gonna be universally mentioned as the big losers

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Speaker 1: of the night. And I think it makes sense, although

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Speaker 1: I do worry a little bit when everyone is on

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Speaker 1: one side saying this team blew it. You know, usually

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Speaker 1: we don't really know what we're talking about. But it's

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Speaker 1: such a recipe for disaster. If if we're getting into

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Speaker 1: this pick because John Fox's not exactly known for developing quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: has to worry about saving his job playing Mike Glennan

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Speaker 1: getting him going for the first time as a starter,

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Speaker 1: while the most important thing in the organization is developing

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Speaker 1: miss Drabinsky. And oh, by the way, his offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: is Dowell Loggins and his number one receiver is Cameron Meredith.

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Speaker 1: Not a recipe for success. It's it's also a team

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Speaker 1: that's spent gave no clues about Mitchell Trobinsky. They didn't

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Speaker 1: bring him in for multiple visits. They didn't sit down

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Speaker 1: think it's stunned Bears fans and its saddled them with

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Speaker 1: analyst to the next, no one could truly anoint or

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Speaker 1: praise Trabinsky as a franchise type quarterback, Like you know,

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Speaker 1: take issue, you said, saddled. It is far too early

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Speaker 1: Let me get this straight. Your master plan is to

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Speaker 1: that's not the It doesn't inspire a lot of hoping

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Speaker 1: they moved up from three to two, and the forty niners.

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Speaker 1: And that's a good job by you, John Lynch Night

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Speaker 1: seems like anyway the forty Niners. They got the number

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Speaker 1: all that to move back one spot, that is great.

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Speaker 1: I don't you know they have those draft value charts

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Speaker 1: that's Sanford Cisco was in a perfect place to tell

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Speaker 1: the Bears, Listen, we've got offers for this pick. Cleveland's

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Speaker 1: the Bears who were the suckers. Nobody should have believed

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Speaker 1: Coughlin was one of those teams trying to trade up

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Speaker 1: from Els. You going to the Jets at six, and

429
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Speaker 1: this is a guy that they are desperately. They showed

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Speaker 1: a shot in the war room, the Jets war room,

431
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Speaker 1: and Todd Bowles was like in a daze, like a happy,

432
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Speaker 1: like a kid on Christmas morning after he opened up

433
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Speaker 1: all his presence. That's the type of impact. This a guy.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah called him, in his estimation, the second best

435
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Speaker 1: player in the draft. I'm not gonna be ignored and

436
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: uh over. On ESPN, John Gruden said he was his

437
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Speaker 1: favorite player in the entire draft class. That's enough. That's

438
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Speaker 1: all I need to hear. I don't know. I haven't

439
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Speaker 1: seen Jamal Adams myself, but people are huge on this guy.

440
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: Is like a superstar, potential leader guy. That's what you

441
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Speaker 1: need to get, kind of like a lower like the

442
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Speaker 1: Browns are getting the headlines for taking this right path.

443
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Speaker 1: Focus on getting good players. Don't get hung up with quarterbacks.

444
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: Jets have to do the same thing. Adams a nice pickure. Well,

445
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 1: this is whose spice rack compared to Troy Paula Malu

446
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Speaker 1: And you know the Jets. The Jets have needs all

447
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Speaker 1: over the place. But if you're Todd Bowles, why not

448
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Speaker 1: get a player that you know you can use. This

449
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: is not someone he does he you know, an offensive

450
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Speaker 1: guy that someone else is gonna handle. This is Todd

451
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Speaker 1: Bowls attempt to save his job, to keep to stay

452
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Speaker 1: in New York for a long time of a great

453
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Speaker 1: NFL defense needs a leader and tone setter like a

454
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Speaker 1: Ray Lewis or an Ed Reid or a Brian Dawkins.

455
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Speaker 1: This guy is the leader. He as a freshman at

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Speaker 1: l s U. He was named captain for at least

457
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Speaker 1: one of the games, which is the first time in

458
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Speaker 1: the last twelve to fourteen years of that program a

459
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Speaker 1: freshman has been named captain for a game. And it's

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Speaker 1: another player whose father was in the NFL's dad was

461
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Speaker 1: with the Giants when they won a Super Bowl, And

462
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Speaker 1: that was pretty entertaining. Today on NFL Network, they have

463
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Speaker 1: no that the Jets have no depth in in DJ

464
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Speaker 1: Danna Jeremiah called, you know, them the worst roster in

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Speaker 1: the league. And I think there's a case to be

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Speaker 1: made there. I do think that you can make a

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Speaker 1: case for their defense. Now looking at the start, there's

468
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Speaker 1: not a lot of depth, but the defense, you know,

469
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Speaker 1: DoD Bowls a defensive coach. He's a secondary type of coach.

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Speaker 1: It's not a they have some talent on defense. Donald

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Speaker 1: sweep scam for Sam still intact. But by the way,

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Speaker 1: if anyone thinks that the Jets are in a down

473
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Speaker 1: cycle right now, he are way off because listen to

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Speaker 1: what Dion has to say. Mr Adams, you do know

475
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Speaker 1: that the Jets are not rebuilding. They want to win now.

476
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Speaker 1: It's he potentially wasn't super plugged into the Jets of

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Speaker 1: last season. We don't know. Does Dion think it's like

478
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Speaker 1: uh April of nineteen sixty yea and come back to

479
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Speaker 1: us like honestly prime time. I know he's an avid

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Speaker 1: listener and watcher of the show, so he'll be he'll

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Speaker 1: be reaching out to you shortly. All right, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about the quarterbacks that go ten and twelve and we'll

483
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Speaker 1: start with Patrick Mahomes, who the Chiefs get uh your guys,

484
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Speaker 1: takeaway jump in whoever wants it. They needed a bull move.

485
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Speaker 1: They need to spice things up. They had reached their ceiling.

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Speaker 1: I think they knew that Alex Smith has limitations for

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Speaker 1: his as winning of a program that they've been the

488
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Speaker 1: last couple of years in the regular season. They aren't

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Speaker 1: going to the promised Land with Alex Smith. And that's

490
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Speaker 1: a tacit admission of it. By drafting Patrick Mahomes. It's

491
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Speaker 1: funny because he's by description the opposite of Alex Smith.

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Speaker 1: That's one reason why I respect Andy Reid and I

493
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Speaker 1: really like like him as a coach. I think he

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Speaker 1: coaches the talent that he has. He doesn't just have

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Speaker 1: one specific type. He Mahomes is a big arm guy

496
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Speaker 1: that needs to be controlled, but is like an incredible

497
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Speaker 1: improvised or and they clearly looked at him like, this

498
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Speaker 1: is the guy that we want to roll with to

499
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Speaker 1: put us over the top. This is the equivalent to

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Speaker 1: win the forty Niners too Callan Kaepernick to replace Alex Smith,

501
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Speaker 1: except the difference is Alex Smith did a good job

502
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Speaker 1: holding off Kaepernick. He was twenty seven years old. Back

503
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Speaker 1: then he's gonna be turning thirty three. It's got to

504
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Speaker 1: be a disappointing night for Alex Smith. I mean, he's

505
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Speaker 1: got to get another year to be their starter and everything.

506
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Speaker 1: But just to know that your team who's in the

507
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Speaker 1: divisional round of the playoffs really doesn't believe in you, well,

508
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Speaker 1: it is a great landing spot from Mahomes because you

509
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Speaker 1: know there were teams like the Browns and others that

510
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Speaker 1: he had been linked to, all sorts of other teams.

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Speaker 1: If you if what we little we've seen him, Mahomes

512
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Speaker 1: not as much as DJ and others, But if you

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Speaker 1: put him into a situation where they push him onto

514
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Speaker 1: the field in week two or week three come September,

515
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Speaker 1: it could have been a disastrous beginning of his career.

516
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Speaker 1: I think it's best for him to sit. He clearly

517
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Speaker 1: has a lot of things to work on, but he

518
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Speaker 1: goes somewhere where they don't need him to put him

519
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Speaker 1: in there. He might come in sooner, the people think,

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Speaker 1: But I think it's a great landing spot. I doubt

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Speaker 1: he will. I I I think you could easily see

522
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Speaker 1: a scenario where this is a team built to win.

523
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Speaker 1: Now where Mahomes doesn't play in two thousand seventeen or two.

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Speaker 1: I believe in Andy Reid. I believe that Whisper. I

525
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Speaker 1: believe he's the This is the exact place any rookie

526
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Speaker 1: quarterback wants to go, especially one that needs the year

527
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Speaker 1: of grooming. I think that Mahomes is in a great spot,

528
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Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. But then you got the

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Speaker 1: Texans and uh, I'm one of my prop bets was

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Speaker 1: the Texans and Browns get quarterbacks in the first round.

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Speaker 1: And the Browns I felt confident about. But the Texans

532
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Speaker 1: to me, felt like the slam dunk, just because they're

533
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Speaker 1: so desperate to turn the page on whatever happened last year.

534
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Speaker 1: And that's what they did. They I wouldn't call it

535
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Speaker 1: a desperate move, but they move up to number twelve

536
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Speaker 1: in the trade with the Browns that we talked about earlier.

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Speaker 1: Is it not desperate? Well, if they gave up their

538
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Speaker 1: first and their second round pick to the Browns, all right,

539
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,239
Speaker 1: it was costly. But I will tell you that there

540
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Speaker 1: are people that believe, including well, his head coach thinks

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Speaker 1: he's the next Michael Jordan's. Uh. Deshaun Watson is the

542
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Speaker 1: type of guy who could be a transcendent type quarterback

543
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: and if their studies are right, and it's not just

544
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Speaker 1: a desperation, desperation ploy and a hope, and if this

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Speaker 1: guy turned into something well worth the move up the

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Speaker 1: board it is. And we don't know how accurate. Let's say,

547
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: like Mike Mayock and DJ were in their quarterback evaluations,

548
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: but they didn't think any of these guys were first

549
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: round picks. They didn't think any of them were top twenty,

550
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Speaker 1: and you're giving up Rick Smith was lucky enough, and

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Speaker 1: I guess he deserves a little bit of credit for

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00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: maneuvering things in a way that he got a second

553
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: chance to put his job on the line. But he

554
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: put his job on the line with brock Oswiler that

555
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: totally failed. And then he basically had to give up

556
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Speaker 1: two first two picks, the first two picks the next

557
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Speaker 1: year's draft to get another guy. And it better, it

558
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: better work. It's like he has no other choice. And

559
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: I mean the Chiefs moving up from a home's changed

560
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: the urgency level for the Texans. There was a period

561
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: in the draft process of the old Texans. Consider at

562
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Speaker 1: number twenty five, and one of these eyes will fall

563
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: right into the laps. Well, at some point, as NFL analysts,

564
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: maybe seventeen or eighteen years from now, we'll learn that

565
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: this is not how quarterbacks operate. In the first round.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna get the guy at number twenty five.

567
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: They had to move up, and it is incredibly costly

568
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Speaker 1: to think that you have given up a first and

569
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Speaker 1: second round pick for another one of these quarterbacks that

570
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Speaker 1: no one deems as a Day one, full fledged plug

571
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Speaker 1: and play starter. There's so you don't know how it

572
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: will be though. There's such a transparent parallel in terms

573
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: of drafts, and you never know. The players are totally different,

574
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: but it's gabber and locker and ponder and those trades

575
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: up that the way that everyone viewed that draft going

576
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: into it is almost identical to to these guys and

577
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Speaker 1: how it ended up being, and that teams ended up

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Speaker 1: trading up or taking the guys in the top twelve.

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Speaker 1: Here's a frustrating thought from a fan of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: After all the free agency, after the first time of

581
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: the common draft era, that three different trades up for

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00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: quarterbacks happened in the first round. Quarterbacks needed to starting

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Speaker 1: Week one or Brian Hoyer Cody Kessler, Josh McCown, Tom Savage,

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Speaker 1: and Mike Glenning. All of this money spent, all of

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Speaker 1: this draft pick resources spent, and those guys are starting Kessler.

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Speaker 1: It's brock Ostweidler. Here's the good news. If you're a

587
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Speaker 1: Texas fan, number one, look at different you want differences

588
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: between last year and this year. Last year, your head

589
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: coach met with your franchise quarterback in new franchise quarterback

590
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 1: for five minutes before inc went to paper. Bill O'Brien,

591
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: according to James Palmer, sat Watson down for three hours

592
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: during his recent visit. He was very impressed with how

593
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: he retained and recalled the information given to him. And

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00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: here's the other thing you want to be excited about.

595
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: This is more carry over and I know West you'll

596
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Speaker 1: like this a lot. Bill O'Brien. Also, according to James Palmer,

597
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: who has very good hair, but maybe you could stand

598
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: to must it up just a little bit. Bill O'Brien

599
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: reiterates what Rick Smith, general manager told me to I'm

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00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: Savage is the starting QB until he's not. It's easy

601
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Speaker 1: to say. In April, Bill has his mind plugged into

602
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: the quarterback room at all times. Well, it's the same

603
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: way that that Blake Portals and Ryan Tannehill and every

604
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Speaker 1: quarterback since he's going to have a red shirt year,

605
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna sit them and we're gonna ease them in,

606
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: and every one of them are playing by the end

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Speaker 1: of September early October. The good thing for Glennon is

608
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Speaker 1: he's getting paid sixteen or seventeen million whatever, eighteen million

609
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Speaker 1: guaranteed whether he plays or not. So at least he

610
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Speaker 1: got his contract. And here's a little draft parallel for you.

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Speaker 1: Don't give up on Glennon West Maybe are you still?

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Speaker 1: Maybe he is the Troy Aikman. Remember when they tried

613
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Speaker 1: to replace Troy Aikman with Steve Walsh. It didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna hold them off. That's what Glennon is gonna

615
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Speaker 1: do to travisc You're comparing a cartoon giraffe to a

616
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Well, you you've seen one. You've seen

617
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Speaker 1: one version of Mike Glennon. You haven't seen the angry

618
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Speaker 1: Mike Glennon after they try to draft his success. That's

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Speaker 1: an interesting parallel. I'm not sure I totally buy the

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Speaker 1: Steve Walsh Aakman scenario here. Act to Bill O'Brien for

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Speaker 1: a minute. Whenever you have a chance to spend an

622
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: extra first round pick for a guy that you're gonna

623
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: put behind Tom Savin, you gotta do it. You must.

624
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: By the way, you know the physical pot shots. West,

625
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: I think that's a little unfair, but I can tell

626
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: you the absolute certainty that Mike Lennon remains the worst

627
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: dancer of any quarterback in the NFL without having seen him.

628
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: Nobody's the worst dancer, better or worse than Mark Madson

629
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Speaker 1: former Lakers Powerful. We're in that category. We're in that area.

630
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Speaker 1: Have no room to speak on that subject. Your paramore

631
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Speaker 1: is trying to get you to dance. Yeah, she's a

632
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Speaker 1: woman that can move. It's like trying to get a

633
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Speaker 1: brick wall to dance that girlfriend of or she can move?

634
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: Oh she can move. Yeah, And there's no doubt definitely

635
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: some opposites attracting, at least in terms of the dance

636
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Speaker 1: floor ability. Yeah, I think in many ways. I mean, Wes,

637
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: she can move, There's no doubt about it. Why don't

638
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: you try? What if you were to get out there

639
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: and give it a try. You know I've seen you

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00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: in a kitchen where music is plain. You've never danced,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. The next step would be

642
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Speaker 1: just start to know there's a maybe a head nod,

643
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: little head nod. Why don't you do things you hate doing?

644
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: That's that's I do them all the time. Here's something

645
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: interesting to me, and maybe it's be it goes back

646
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: West and I could relate to it somewhat. Your strict

647
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: Catholic upbringing, a man that loves music the way you do,

648
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Speaker 1: and you love music to that point where you've you've

649
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Speaker 1: created entire um, You've curated hundreds and hundreds of playlists

650
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Speaker 1: in your life, love all types of music. Your tone

651
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Speaker 1: deaf when it comes to singing, and you it's like

652
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: the Mayor from the movie and Footloose level hatred of dancing. No, no,

653
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Speaker 1: I'm fine with other people doing it. I just don't

654
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Speaker 1: have the ability. It's like a distance thing. My ear

655
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: are too far from my feet. It's just an interesting dichotomy,

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Speaker 1: that's all. Well, I just I don't have It's something

657
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Speaker 1: I know I'm not good at. And I think probably

658
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Speaker 1: because my mom thinks she's a good dancer, and some

659
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: of my brothers I've seen them dance and they can

660
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Speaker 1: tell that it's laughable like they are probably as tone

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00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: death tone death as I am. I like that. The

662
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Speaker 1: post draft podcast has about eight minutes of an analysis

663
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Speaker 1: around West's dance abilities. No mention of the Lions, with

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins fan base left by the side of the

665
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: Ravens fans who would tweet me on a regular basis.

666
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: You haven't talked about us about and about seven months.

667
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: We'll get to you guys before Saturday. We'll dig in. Uh.

668
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Speaker 1: This seems like a nice half halftime of the show though,

669
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Speaker 1: for I do want to just check in briefly on

670
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Speaker 1: uh something I wrote about on the end around before

671
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: before the draft started, I did get my hands on

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Speaker 1: the entrance songs, the walk up songs for each of

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Speaker 1: the prospects that were in the green room him uh,

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Speaker 1: So I figured it'd be fun just to share a

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Speaker 1: few of them and NFL dot Com slash end around

676
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Speaker 1: for the playlist. It's very hip hop heavy. I feel

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Speaker 1: very distant. Let's start with DNA by Kendrick Lamar, who

678
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Speaker 1: Deshaun kaiser Um went with. Did Seaun get drafted? He

679
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: has not been drafted? He should, he should lose the

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00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: tie in suit and go the sad pull over sweater

681
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: and tie out of Geno Smith from two thousand thirteen.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, we didn't get to hear DNA from Kendrick Lamar.

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00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: This is what people would have would would have heard. Actually,

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Speaker 1: it's an approximation of what they would have heard if

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Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar could be played on the show. I mean

686
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Speaker 1: south Central personify a guy that's changed in the game.

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Speaker 1: All right, this is blasphemous to say this, pushing Kendrick Lamar.

688
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: I'm surprised not every player didn't pick d N. A

689
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: that's gonna get you fired up. All right, we'll throw

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Speaker 1: one more. Drake is always popular. He was all over this.

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Speaker 1: Uh here is uh Mitchell Trobiskie, who of course went

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Speaker 1: number two after some long long thought. He went with

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Speaker 1: Forever by Drake, one of my favorite Drake songs. Let's

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00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: listen to it. Sounds familiar, isn't it? Definitely? I mean

695
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: classic Drake, one of the great Drake songs. A couple

696
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Speaker 1: of fun facts. By the way, Lauren Hill in there somewhere,

697
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Speaker 1: I feel like we've heard on this shore the oldest

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Speaker 1: song on here. There's only it's sad. I only recognized

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Speaker 1: like two of the songs. One of them was jump

700
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Speaker 1: Around Ryan Ram Ram Jack Ryan Ram, taking thirty second

701
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: overall by the Saints, one of only three offensive linemen

702
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: come off the board for the line jump Around by

703
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: House of Pain, which I remember being a twelve year old.

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00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: You know that was a big song for like the

705
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Speaker 1: white boys in the suburbs to slam dance at school dances,

706
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Speaker 1: give each other bloody noses. I was one of those boys.

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Speaker 1: I once traded a Jewel c D for a House

708
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Speaker 1: of Pain. And Bob Marley's greatest hits were you the

709
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: Rick Smith in that equation? What was nan I was

710
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: gonna say that trade was not sounding great until then

711
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: Bob Marley just blew those other two water. So you

712
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: worked at I will, I will, I'll say you were

713
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: John Lynch in that scenario. But you did at some

714
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: point own the Jewel c D, which is you know

715
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Speaker 1: I bought it. I also did. I will admit that

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Speaker 1: I was a jewel All three of you had j Actually,

717
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: like I did, jewel had a lot going on. It's

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Speaker 1: like this, she's playing a guitar. She outside, well, I

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Speaker 1: I like you didn't have a Jewel CD. I like

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Speaker 1: Jewels music that dios and the Foolish Game single was

721
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: a nice little you are you are much more of

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00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: a manly specimen for not having purchased that music, you know,

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Speaker 1: the three of us. I'm not even firing shots, But

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Speaker 1: I guess it's a little surprising that sev of the

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Speaker 1: Round the NFL podcast spent seventeen dollars on the Pieces

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00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: of Me or whatever that CD was called. Well back then,

727
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: it was like I would just have to call at

728
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Speaker 1: a house order. I just had to get it free.

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00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: All right, that ends halftime. The long half time. It

730
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: was like a super coming off a second quarter where

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Speaker 1: we spent the entire second quarter discussing West's dance moves

732
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: and party antics. All right, let's get back into the

733
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: first start. You want to do a little winners and losers,

734
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: just go around the room a little bit and got

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00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: other elements of the first round. Uh let me let

736
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 1: me start here, and uh it moved that I liked.

737
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: And this goes back to I'm always sad like as

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Speaker 1: a fan of a loser franchise, I always have empathy

739
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: for other loser franchises. Cincinnati Bengals a loser franchise, and

740
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: they did not do right by Andy Dalton coming off

741
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 1: a breakthrough season to replenish what they lost on offense.

742
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: So that's why I like John Ross going uh, what

743
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: was that number? Eight or nine overall? Nine overall obviously

744
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: wrote Chris Johnson's record for fastest runner at the Combine.

745
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: He's an explosive talent. And now you have a j Green,

746
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: hopefully a healthy Tyler Eiffort uh and John Ross in

747
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: the mix. And maybe after it was kind of a

748
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: bummer of a free agent scenario for the free agency

749
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: period for the for Bengals fans, now you have somebody

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00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: to get excited about. Maybe that offense. Offense could be

751
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: better in the red zone and beyond. I love Ross

752
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: and because he's you know, he's got the speed, but

753
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 1: he can run all sorts of different types of routes.

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00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he is a little more dynamic and versatile

755
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: than you would expect out of that profile. That's why

756
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: I thought he would get drafted high. I ended up

757
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: losing some big time sandwiches because another winner that I'm

758
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: gonna give is Mike Williams. And in general, the wide

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00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,280
Speaker 1: receivers that were taken, we're all huge winners. First of all,

760
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Speaker 1: no one expected them all to go in the top ten.

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00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: Maybe no one expected any of them to go on

762
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: the top ten, and they all ended up in perfect situations.

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00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: What's better if you're John Rosston playing opposite Ada Green,

764
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: if you're Mike Williams now going to Los Angeles? What's

765
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: better than being a vertical jump ball receiver than playing

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00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: with Philip Rivers who was about as aggressive deep and

767
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,959
Speaker 1: let's his receivers go get it on a really deep

768
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: offense and then I'll even throw the last receiver in

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00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: their core. Corey Davis ending up in a nice situation

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Speaker 1: with Tennessee. I think all the wide receivers have to

771
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: be thrilled with where they landed. As soon as that

772
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: pick came in Corey Davis. Steve Smith was on NFL

773
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Speaker 1: Network and said, absolute stud. He'll be there for ten years.

774
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah for me, it's it's so easy. O. J. Howard,

775
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: who some people had going in the top ten. Number

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00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: one tight end in this class, falls to the Tampa

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Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers. They didn't have to swing a deal to

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Speaker 1: get him. He goes to an offense that already has

779
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: Cameron brad who was very effective last year. You got

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Speaker 1: Mike Evans, you got Jamis Winston at quarterback, and you

781
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: also have two Sean Jackson. I don't know what more

782
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: the Tampa Buccaneers could have done this offseason to say

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00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: we are here to take over this division or at

784
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: least be very very competitive and challenge for a wild cardiff,

785
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: not a division title. This is gonna be one of

786
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: the most interesting offenses to watch. Tight Ends don't often

787
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: flourish in year one. That's the issue. We already have

788
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Speaker 1: a tight end to take some of that production away.

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Speaker 1: If he's not, if he's not blooming right away, he's

790
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: an inline tight end, and Cameron brad is more of

791
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: a move tight end, so they don't even really play

792
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: the same position. They complement each other. Well, let me

793
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: stick with another Mark Sessler thing down in the news room.

794
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: Let me paraphrase you. You said Chris Ballard has done

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Speaker 1: more in the last two months and Ryan Griggson did

796
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: in the last four years to help that Colt's roster

797
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 1: that he had a back the mullet for a little bit.

798
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: He had a good two thousand twelve draft. Most of

799
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Speaker 1: that was Lucky into Andrew that's half a decade ago.

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Speaker 1: But Chris Ballard or he's he's already helped this defense.

801
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: And then Malik Hooker, who Spice Rack compared to Ed Reid,

802
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: and Brian Billick, who had Ed Reid, also compared him

803
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: and said he might be the closest thing to Ed

804
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 1: Reid and ball hawking skills that he's seen. Chuck Pagano,

805
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: Colts coach, is almost best friends with Ed Reid. So

806
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: you bring in a guy finally a center fielder for

807
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: the Colts. This guy can set straight that secondary that

808
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: has been lacking in any kind of playmaking ability back there.

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00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: I was surprised just hearing the prof and it really

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00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: seems like Adams is such a Jamal Adams is such

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Speaker 1: a clean prospect and like almost as close to a

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00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: can't miss guy as you could have, and that's why

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00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: he got taken to eight. But when you just listen

814
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Speaker 1: to the profiles of Hooker and Adams and when you

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Speaker 1: just kind of watch him, Hooker, to me, seems like

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00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: you would have a more valuable skill set. He's that

817
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: center fielder. He's the Earl Thomas type. He's not a

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00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: big hitter or anything like that, but he's kind of

819
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: the guy that He's a two thousand seventeen type of

820
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: player like that, that's who you want back there, and

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Speaker 1: I agree the Cults have aggressively addressed that defense. Another

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Speaker 1: winner for me, Eli Manning, who in a couple of

823
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: months leading up to the draft, there was a lot

824
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Speaker 1: of speculation and the Giants may still pick a quarterback

825
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: tomorrow or the next day that will put some heat

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Speaker 1: on Eli. But there was speculation coming off a really

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Speaker 1: bad season that the John's will really look to move

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Speaker 1: Uh in terms of putting in plan a a succession

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Speaker 1: a succession plan, putting one in place, and instead they

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Speaker 1: don't take a quarterback and round one and instead they

831
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Speaker 1: actually go and add another player UH to their offense,

832
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram Uh tight end and of Nippi, who is

833
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: getting favorably compared to Aaron Hernandez for the right reasons

834
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Speaker 1: in terms of his abilities as a tight end, and

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Speaker 1: how I mean it's very it's very important to to

836
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Speaker 1: explain that's gonna say, that's a low bar. This guy's better.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a better human than Aaron Hernandez. I'm

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00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: talking purely. Remember the Aaron Hernandez that you were taking

839
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 1: in like the third round of fantasy drafts before everything

840
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 1: went sideways. That's what some people see in this guy,

841
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: a hyper athletic guy. You can move around. And you

842
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: add now Brandon Marshall in the mix, Sterling Shepherd of course,

843
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: and then Odell Beckham. Uh. Eli Manning has no excuse,

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00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: no excuse, no excuse at all you like. And you know,

845
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Speaker 1: I'm the number one Eli, the founder on this podcast,

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00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: and I think the only it's disgusting to me that

847
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: I'm in this position as a Jets fan, but I

848
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: do think that he is a borderline Hall of Famer,

849
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: and all that offensive line could be a problem, not

850
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: just just for the whole team if they knew coming

851
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: into the draft that that that's a tough position. But

852
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: he loses me as a defender. If we're in October,

853
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: is still talking about Eli having all these problems. He

854
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: needs to hit the ground running with a very good offense,

855
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: at least besides the offensive line, which is an important

856
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: part of this well. And they maybe they end up

857
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: without la Garrett Blunt too. Yeah, borderline hall of famer,

858
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: borderline starter. Let's not quibble. That's ugly. As a Patriots fan,

859
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: I understand why you're upset, but you can't take away

860
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: with the movie Patriots fan, He's just the most overrated

861
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: player of my lifetime. Okay, anybody else Winners, losers, let's

862
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: keep going losers. Greg already referenced this the New Orleans Saints.

863
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: Oh that hurts Greg. Did you know that Greg went

864
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: to tu lane by the way? Oh yeah, two lane,

865
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: two lane lane. Look. Greg has a feeling that they

866
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: were that the team in front of them took their

867
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: player in boats spots here in the first round. But

868
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: they also talked about trading Brandon Cooks to fix us

869
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: fix a defense, and with one of their first round

870
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: picks they took an offensive tackle. That's not fixing your defense.

871
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: You've got a cornerback in Marshawn Lattimore who might not

872
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: be ready to be a difference maker. In his first year,

873
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: was the consensus number one overall cornerbacks. So I can

874
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: understand why Saints fans probably listening to this would think, Look,

875
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: we just got a guy that some people thought could

876
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: go number two overall at number eleven in a position

877
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: we needed. Maybe he's better than mains. Fans should worry

878
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: about their own team instead of wishing ill on the

879
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: Falcons like you've been doing for the past three months. Anyway,

880
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: you didn't get a pass rusher, you didn't get some

881
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: kind of hoss linebacker. He got a cornerback who might

882
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: not be ready to make an impact in year one,

883
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: and you gotta tackle, So you didn't really fix your defense.

884
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: By the way, I got a trop alert, a draft

885
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: trop alert. Sean Payton told the media after that. The

886
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: Saints on their board, on their board, the board that

887
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: you never see and we'll never see that A Lattimore

888
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: was rated number three or four overall. So they were

889
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: doing backflips when he fell all the way to eleven,

890
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: freaking back flips because their board had him as a

891
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: Camp Miss superstar and he tumbled their way. Are they

892
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: winners though, in the sense that they didn't have to

893
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: go get They don't have go to a Malcolm Butler

894
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: from the Patriots. Now, you don't have to force some

895
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: sort of trade for that situation. You you filled that

896
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: need potentially. I mean, what about it wasn't a great

897
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: night for them. It's just that I take the Patriots

898
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: are winners for getting to keep Butler. One thing you

899
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: remind me of with Lattimore and Ram took so many

900
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: of these players were just one year starters like Ramchok

901
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere and just played for one year

902
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: and you know you had a good year. Lattimore was

903
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: injured basically until his one healthy year, and that that's

904
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: up and down the draft. A lot of these guys

905
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: are so risky because they've barely played at the high

906
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: college level. And to the to the Saints defense, Mike Mayock,

907
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: who was very respected obviously, uh said this during the

908
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: live telecast in NFL Network. I'm amazed he fell to eleven.

909
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: So the Saints are feeling good about that pick. It

910
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: felt filled the need obviously. How about winner, Dan Hands

911
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: and the rest of us. For first of all, Dan Hansas,

912
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: correctly predicting J. J. Watt, would send out an instagram

913
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: of himself and his brother with a motivational quote, which

914
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: is great foresight, but also a good job by us,

915
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: none of us taking you up on that sandwich. Probably

916
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: it's the best played moment I think in the history

917
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: of go get my lunch, Thank you very much. It

918
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: was actually the photo one was watch drafted two thousand twelve.

919
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: It was like thousand, two thousand eleven, so it was

920
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: a photo of what outside Radio City Music Hall before

921
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: he was drafted by the Texans, with his brothers on

922
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: each side of him, and it's like big bro, you know,

923
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: welcome to the club. Something along those lines. I'm upset

924
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: that I didn't make any sandwiches off it, but I

925
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: am also proud of all my fellow podcasters that we

926
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: all knew what j. J. Watt was gonna do before

927
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: j J. Watt even knew what j J. It just

928
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: seemed to like you had basically arrived from the future

929
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: with a very obvious news update, a little bit of

930
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: a sprice picked two by the Steelers, t J. Watt

931
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: number thirty overall. Don't they picking outside linebacker every other year?

932
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: I guess like a guy, they also take guys along slowly.

933
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: I just thought they had other needs there. Some people thought,

934
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: and this should make you happy, Mark that in Joku

935
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: was gonna be there, pick there and maybe the brown

936
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: that's why the Browns jumped ahead of them. Well it's

937
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: long after them away from the division longs. Like what

938
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: part two isn't just you know, breaking Brown's quarterbacks into

939
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: three parts? Yeah, new money? Are you ready to talk

940
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: about T J. Watt? Uh? Yeah, I mean rough have

941
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: a loser new money, Yeah, new money. Who loser behind

942
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: the glass? That's me. She carried on the proud tradition

943
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: and produces failing and the go get my lunch which

944
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: we'll we'll dig into Go get my lunch more on Saturday.

945
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 1: But Sydney went out on a limb with an onion

946
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: hanger that t J. Watt would be on cam in

947
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: in in someone's home or at some site and there

948
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: would be I believe it was eleven cutaways to him

949
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: leading up to the draft, and uh, we found out

950
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: even before the draft that there would be no in

951
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: house cameras on t J. Watt. So you were dead

952
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: before the draft even side. And then it like that

953
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: was history before it and only now I really sit

954
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: never passed. The smell tested me, even though I love

955
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: you said, but it was a huge miscalculation because you

956
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: were thinking of like an Aaron Rodgers in the green

957
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: room scenario. But I was kind of thinking of a

958
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: Brady Quinn in the green room Syny, Okay, but the

959
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: key it was like he wasn't in the green room,

960
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: so you would have they would have to be thrown

961
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: at via satellite to this home over and over again

962
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have the same appeal I would think

963
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: to the to the broad casters, isn't it great that

964
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: not only did you lose this, that we can now

965
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: dissect it and make you feel increasingly foolish for even participating. Oh? Absolutely,

966
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:10,959
Speaker 1: and really at this time, I just want to send

967
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: my sincerest apologies to t J. Walk because not only

968
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: was this a losing night for me, but I'm sure

969
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: that the producer's curse will but bestow on him some

970
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: weird freak accident in his first year. What was it for?

971
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: It was almost like a gang initiation for you, though,

972
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: like it was unpleasant. It was like, it's like if

973
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: a gang was like, Hey, if you will drive down

974
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: this highway with your headlights off and the first people

975
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: that flash you turn around and then find them and

976
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 1: kill them. This was the em that it's the same thing.

977
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: It's the same exact situation, only you don't have to

978
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: kill anybody, So in a way, you kind of came

979
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: out ahead. Yeah, that's definitely an upside. I didn't lose

980
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: the most amount of sandwiches tonight though, Oh just throwing

981
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: how about a tease at the fair point for Don Henley.

982
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm struggling here, it's you know what, it's halftime, so

983
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: you can we can provide the halftime analysis. But there's

984
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: there's a like he won three with two minutes to play.

985
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: It's not over. I mean, I the rest of my

986
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: props are based on two freak occurrences. So we'll get

987
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: to it on Saturday. Uh. Anybody else a winner or

988
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: a loser? I want to I don't know how to

989
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 1: do this. You know lightly which winners and losers tends

990
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: tends to be. I guess Gary and Connley would have

991
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: to be considered a winner considering how his last week

992
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: has been. I don't think anyone expected after he was

993
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: being investigated for potentially raping a young woman that he

994
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: was going to get taken in the first round. I mean,

995
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: he went number twenty four overall, and I think part

996
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: of it apparently had to do with him passing a

997
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: lie detector tests that that teams and using which seems

998
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: it all seems very strange. Um, but they felt confident.

999
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they must have done their homework in their

1000
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: feeling and like he is going to be exonerated for

1001
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: this because it that is an incredible show of faith

1002
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: the Raiders. The Raiders have always been going back to

1003
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: to al Davis, a franchise that's not afraid to take chances.

1004
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: But I would think in this type of situation, when

1005
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: there's a sexual assault involved in a claim that has

1006
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: just been made and there's that much hanging in the air,

1007
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: that they would not go down this route unless they

1008
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: did their due diligence in terms of looking into this matter.

1009
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: And they have to feel really good about it because

1010
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: if it turns out that that he is guilty of

1011
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: what he's been accused of, it is an awful awful

1012
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: look for the Raiders on so many levels. Uh So,

1013
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: you gotta look at in terms of his ability. I mean,

1014
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: this was a guy that everyone, a lot of mock drafters,

1015
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, pegged in that ten to fifteen range. Uh

1016
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: So you get him at twenty four and if he

1017
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: is indeed innocent of all charges, it's a great value pick.

1018
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: But it is it's it's a hot one to to

1019
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: get yourself involved with with the stakes this house. Well,

1020
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: they believe they did their homework on that front, and

1021
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, you make that choice as an organization. I

1022
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: I don't this is a soft loser, but the Seahawks

1023
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: because you trade down twice out of the first round,

1024
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: and they said, was it five out of something amount

1025
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: of years where they've not had a first round pick

1026
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: at this point and the great team, good roster, but

1027
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: at some point you have to continue to add players.

1028
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: If you're the c John Schnyder has got a chance

1029
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: to control a few things tomorrow. He's got quite a

1030
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: few ticks. And also maybe if you're like you know,

1031
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: the Patriots, you only see fourteen fifteen game changers in

1032
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: the first round, and that maybe is how they view it.

1033
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: So a soft loser because maybe it's strategic, but they

1034
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: have needs. This this all you cannot go into this

1035
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: season with the offensive line the way it was last year.

1036
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: I'll give you a soft winner. Sure you may not

1037
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: like this. It's a very soft winner. Brock Oswiler is

1038
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: a soft winner because when he was traded from the

1039
00:52:54,760 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 1: Texans in shame, I mean shameful camp. I mean, you're

1040
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: the laughing stock of the league and it's and there's

1041
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: nothing you can do about it. After what was just

1042
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: probably for him a humiliating one season in Houston. It

1043
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: was it all. It all seemed to be pointing toward

1044
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: oh he's he could get released again or traded for

1045
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: half a cent on the dollar by the Browns now.

1046
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: But instead, unless the Browns make a move for a

1047
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: quarterback in the next two days, he's gonna have a

1048
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: real shot to get in the starting line of for

1049
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: an NFL team, and not just an NFL team, a

1050
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: team that now there's some hope in the building and

1051
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 1: you're not usually get traded to Cleveland. It's the most

1052
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: depressing situation ever. I think brock osla has a chance

1053
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: to salvage himself potentially. Now, whether he has that ability,

1054
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 1: we'll see, but soft so he'll play. It's it's pretty

1055
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: safe bet that more than one quarterback plays during the

1056
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: brown season. In general, Hard Knight, you brought up by

1057
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: the way that Jameis Winston uh hard knocks excuse me, O.

1058
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: J Howard one more realistic winner than brock Osweiler. My

1059
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: pick up. Pick up two guys that positions of feed

1060
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: Corey Davis, who Steve Smith said was a stud Dore

1061
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: Jackson who looks like a day one starter at cornerback

1062
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: and spice rack compared to his kick return ability to

1063
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: Devin Hester. I love these like watch some Corey Davis Weston.

1064
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get excite. Like his yards after

1065
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,720
Speaker 1: catch and his strength, like the combination of his strength

1066
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: and his quickness, like he looks like the prototype number

1067
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: one type of receiver. That's why, that's why I was

1068
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 1: a little surprised people were saying, well, there's not really

1069
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: maybe that traditional true number one type because looking at him,

1070
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: it seems like he has everything and they certainly believe

1071
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: that too to take him that high. And Jackson, he

1072
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: just seems like like great ball skills, like a like

1073
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: a big time talent. Maybe a little bit of a

1074
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: risk that he's a lightweight guy, but think what they've

1075
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: done in the secondary. I'm with you. I think John

1076
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: Robinson and Titans Betegrade, she see what's going on here though?

1077
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: What's up? Greg's been down in laboratory watching some college

1078
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: prospects film coming out with a dormy Jackson and Corey

1079
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: Davis takes I like it. Tell us about it, Greg, Wow,

1080
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 1: just it was cramming last minute for like the draft.

1081
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: Here You're like you're back in college or in the dorm.

1082
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: It's time to cram because you need to get that

1083
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: passing grade for the big test. Yeah, So like you're

1084
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: basically got the lowest amount of surface knowledge possible to

1085
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: sound like you know what you're talking about. That may

1086
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: bring up another winner, which could be the four of us,

1087
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: because in years past, you think I've got to do

1088
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: weeks and months of study to try to catch up

1089
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: with these draft knicks. I think we all learned that.

1090
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: We plugged in kind of late Tuesday night, maybe early Wednesday,

1091
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: and rolled right through tonight's exercise. No one's you know,

1092
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: any less rich for it. As soon as the draft started,

1093
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: every mock over the past few months was rendered entirely meaningless.

1094
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 1: That's a that's a great point. I mean, no one,

1095
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: no one knew anything. It was all. But here's the

1096
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: good news for everyone that that is part of the

1097
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: draft industrial complex. By this time next year, or before

1098
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 1: the draft next year, everyone will have forgotten that lesson

1099
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: once more. It's a total data wipe. It's like, oh,

1100
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: no quarterbacks are gonna the same exact thing. There's eight

1101
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: same eight things happen every year. It will happen next year.

1102
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: We'll write the same articles. Then then you after that

1103
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: will do the same thing again. Then you after that

1104
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: will do the same thing again. One more loser. The

1105
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: guy who tweets out at like two forty five pm

1106
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: Eastern time on on Thursday. Wait one more update to

1107
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: my final mock draft. Guys here it is. The world

1108
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: is just waiting like, wait, wait one more final one.

1109
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: It's like the self seriousness of these made up exercise. Well,

1110
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: now is when we should be tweeting these mock drafts

1111
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: out because they all have been completely blown up from

1112
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: the core out. Um. Oh, I don't want to forget

1113
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: this guy. By the way, before we go, NFL dot

1114
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: com loves us. By the way, I don't want to

1115
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: forget this guy because there in terms of memorable moments

1116
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: of the draft, by far, uh, for me, the most

1117
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: memorable moment came pick twenty six. This wasn't like the

1118
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: after we'd surged past the three hour mark. Let's let's

1119
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: tighten it up, by the way, NFL, let's tighten this

1120
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: thing up. Getting under three hours, you think it's gonna

1121
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 1: get shorter? Don't think so. I don't think so. But uh,

1122
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: anybody would help me with this name to carrissed, let's

1123
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: go Tach McKinley, who was drafted by the Falcons at

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00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: twenty six. Um came out and it was really and

1125
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: I wrote about this on the end, and it was

1126
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: like watching the the third act climax of a football movie.

1127
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: His grandmother, uh tax grandmother, when she was on her

1128
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: deathbed several years ago, Um Tack promised the grandmother that

1129
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: he would play D one football and she she Uh,

1130
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: she closed her eyes and she passed away. Tack commits

1131
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: to U c l A, has a really nice career

1132
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: and then makes it all the way in the NFL

1133
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: and gets strapped in the first round. So he goes

1134
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: even next level from what he promised to his grandmother.

1135
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: So what does he do. He comes out of the

1136
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: green room holding a poster sized photo of his late

1137
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: grandmother and uh comes down the steps and then starts

1138
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: addressing the camera like a professional wrestler. Unbeknownst to me

1139
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: at the time, I thought that to myself, and then

1140
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: I found out that in his formative years, when his

1141
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: grandmother was raising him and and keeping him off the

1142
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: streets and keep him on the straight and narrow, they

1143
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: would sit in the grandmother's bedroom and watch w W

1144
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: E action for hours and hours there his favorite wrestler

1145
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: was book or t and Uh. Now he's on the

1146
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: draft stage and he is so fired up talking to

1147
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: the camera and and being very emotive. Let's let's hear

1148
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: a little bit from Tack on the stage. I'll make

1149
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: that promise, man, I told her. Of course he passed away.

1150
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: I was within my dream. I was told Goldie one

1151
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: although out of rich Mels g out of I was

1152
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: old Dods at the view. I made that promise to her.

1153
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: Man talks like his letters. He passed away, and it's

1154
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: what I do it for. This is what I do

1155
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: it for. Man Man d quarterback. We'll get to the

1156
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: quarterback and then Dion comes over you. Dion doesn't know

1157
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: what to do. This guy is getting more and more

1158
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: fired up with each second, and uh he ends up

1159
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: dropping an F bomb uh and then says you can

1160
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: all find me. Uh. It made for me. The biggest

1161
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: winner from an individual standpoint was that man. Uh Tack McKinley.

1162
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: I love that man. I'm happy for him. It's a

1163
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: great story and we should all be happy for him.

1164
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: But I I think it'd be cool to have like

1165
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: a cartoon where the main character was raised on pro wrestling.

1166
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: In every situation of his life, he just plays a wrestler.

1167
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: Sign him up. He has a future Wasn't that better

1168
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: than than a lot of w w E guys. Sound

1169
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean he had it down, he can do it, yeah,

1170
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: the way you addressed the camera. Um. And finally we're

1171
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: talking about winners and losers. This one, this is a

1172
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: prop that we made or that Mark made, uh the

1173
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: show about the weather. Mark My favorite prop, UH is

1174
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: you are predicting rain at some point during the draft. Yeah.

1175
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: I confidently knew it would not happen tonight. So what

1176
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: I did was I reached out one of our listeners.

1177
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: His name is Damian Loads who is hope I'm pronouncing

1178
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: his name correctly. It's from Oklahoma, right, Yeah, he's an

1179
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: Oklahoma based weather man. But that industry. If you have

1180
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: to know about the tornadoes, watch in Oklahoma. But you

1181
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: learned how to track weather all over. We're and every

1182
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: man in that front shore. So Damien checked out the

1183
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: forecast uh for Philadelphia this weekend and got back to

1184
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: us with an exclusive report. Uh. Damian kfo are an

1185
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: official meteorologist. Hey, heroes, its meteorologist Damian Lotus. I heard

1186
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: you guys had a couple of sandwiches on the line

1187
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: for the rainfall chances this weekend at the NFL Draft

1188
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. So I'm here to give you guys the forecast.

1189
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: Now for tonight, you saw partly cloudy, scot eyes, light winds,

1190
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: a great night overall. Now as we head into Friday,

1191
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna be an absolutely beautiful day. We'll see lies

1192
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: in the eighties, sunny skies. Now by the time the

1193
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: draft starts at seven o'clock Eastern time, we will see

1194
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: some cloud coverage make its way back into the forecast.

1195
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: Now at twelve pm Eastern time, when the draft starts

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01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: on Saturday, Mark, my friend, you're gonna get some sandwiches

1197
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: because right around two to three o'clock Saturday afternoon, we're

1198
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: gonna see some rainfall make its way back into the

1199
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: Philadelphia area. So I do expect to see a few

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01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: draft goers to be wearing conchos, so we will see

1201
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: measurable rainfall Saturday during the NFL Draft. So, Mark, I

1202
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: know you're always wondering will Daddy ever be coming home? Well,

1203
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: yes he will, and he's gonna be coming home with

1204
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: some high octane sandwiches rations for the children. I mean,

1205
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: all all I said was that one rain drop needed

1206
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: to fall during the pick selection process, and of course

1207
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: if you thank you, Damien, than if you're not aware.

1208
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: The reason why we're so hung up about this is

1209
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: because for the first time ever, and maybe he didn't

1210
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:08,959
Speaker 1: notice your dummy, but this draft is outside. Wake up less.

1211
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: That was an amazing pause. There was trauma like I

1212
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't call it a terrified look in West's eyes because

1213
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: that would be strong. But there was a little bit

1214
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: of confusion mixed with a little bit of low growl. Plan.

1215
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: We are what am I supposed to do here? What

1216
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: does he went for me? We are heading to the

1217
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: pub after this, and West, I could tell was already

1218
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: there mentally. You're absolutely right, Damien did did a great job,

1219
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: and I really appreciate that he did this for us.

1220
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: I will say, a meteorologist from Oklahoma predicting the weather

1221
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia four days out. I'm not putting that in

1222
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: the books quite yet. Still a football analyst analyzing football

1223
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: from Los Angeles when it's happening in Philadelphia. That is

1224
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: one confident weather man. Though he was pretty here voice

1225
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,439
Speaker 1: there's well, now there's not just your reputation on the line,

1226
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: Mark Dame means as well. So I feel very comfortable

1227
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: with this. Listen, it's going to happen. It's going to rain,

1228
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: and um, all right, let's speak, let's go to the bar,

1229
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: let's go to the cozy. In fact, a listener from

1230
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: Hong Kong, wait, we never you never mentioned the Ravens

1231
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: like you said you were good next to them. We'll

1232
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: get I said, by the end of our draft. Hell,

1233
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: you know what odds we have till Saturday, Raiders are

1234
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: still your favorite? Well, well, they do such a nice

1235
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: job as an organization. They kind of made it hard

1236
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: on us tonight with their draft positive but they do

1237
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: have a lot of talent in their secondary and you know,

1238
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: we'll see how this all plays out. But the one

1239
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: thing I tell you about the Raiders Class Act organization.

1240
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: For now, we hope, we hope. As of now. Anyway,

1241
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: our friend Joe from Hong Kong left us cold hard

1242
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: cash behind the bar at the Cozy. It's been sitting

1243
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: there for weeks and weeks. Only recently were we aware

1244
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: of this. Uh colleague Dustin, uh let us know. I

1245
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: don't know how he found out. This is all convoluted

1246
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: to me, but we got a photo of a series

1247
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: of twenty dollar bills with the paper clip and our

1248
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: names on it. Waiting at the bar, so we're gonna

1249
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: use up that tab. Joe from Hong Kong moving up

1250
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: the eight t NFL listener Power rankings. No one's probably

1251
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: gonna overtake Mr F. But Joe for Hong Kong. That's

1252
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: top five material right there. I like the idea of

1253
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: a a listener amount Rushmore though, Oh yeah, Joe from

1254
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: Hong Kong immediately with the cash, cold hard cast. Alexis

1255
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: Frederick Frost with the uh, with the cartoons and the

1256
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: books and every son reads that book every night. Josh

1257
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: Raymer with the T shirts. Don't forget Nick Fortier, Nick Fortier,

1258
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: don't forget about the subreddit. Don't you can never forget Tristan.

1259
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: A lot of competition here. Well that let's save it

1260
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: for the Alienating Our our Listeners podcast. But you know

1261
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: all you greeby uh my friend Bob, we have so

1262
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: many uh my friend Ja all below. Mr F though,

1263
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: looks down on them. Vanessa Redgrave no, not a listener,

1264
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: all right, we will be to get Sanders does not

1265
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: know that podcasts exist, would be my guess. That's a guess.

1266
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: All right. We'll be back on Saturday night. Uh uh,

1267
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon ish, Well, it depends where you are. Get

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Speaker 1: off my back. Um, but after the round seven wraps up,

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Speaker 1: you'll get your third podcast of the week. Uh, so

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Speaker 1: make sure you tune back in for that. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening, and uh that's it. Good job everybody does.

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Speaker 1: Dan Hansons signing off for a quiet storm, the mail Man,

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Speaker 1: Don Henley himself and new money behind the glass hanging

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Speaker 1: there said till Saturday.