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Speaker 1: What's up everybody, d J, Bucky here, and Buck Man.

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Speaker 1: I I'm fired up about this episode. I know you

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Speaker 1: You call him wide receivers. I call him the playmakers,

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Speaker 1: Thomas Dimitrof, general manager of the Atlanta Falcons, one of

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get his insight on scouting the position. Brian

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Speaker 1: bill Like everybody knows, coach Billock from hoisting the trophy

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Speaker 1: to coach as that offensive coordinator Randy Moss Jake read

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Speaker 1: and skill in several areas throwing left side wants DeAndre

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Speaker 1: before we get to those conversations. What we're looking for

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Speaker 1: to accomplish. And UH, I don't want poople anything they're doing,

430
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Speaker 1: but I'm just saying there is a tremendous value when

431
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Speaker 1: you've got a big time horse on the outside. When

432
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 1: we think about number one receivers the way that I've

433
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,199
Speaker 1: been taught, the definition of a number one receiver is

434
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Speaker 1: a guy that commands a double team. He is so

435
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 1: talented that you leave him alone one on one, he

436
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 1: cannot be guarded. He's unstoppable. He's a guy that dictates

437
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Speaker 1: the terms to the defense in terms of how they

438
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: want to play their coverage, and even when they're double coverage,

439
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: double covered, they still find a way to make those plays.

440
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 1: So when we think about some of the guys that

441
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Speaker 1: are at the top of the charts year in year out,

442
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown is able to do it. DeAndre Hopkins does it.

443
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 1: We see Julio Jones do it, Odell Beckham Jr. Does it,

444
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 1: And we're beginning to see Michael Thomas do it. These

445
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: dominant players, these number one receivers, they have the ability

446
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: to win versus any coverage. But they make you, as

447
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, really dig deep in a bag of

448
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 1: tricks to try and come up with a way to

449
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: slow them down. One more thing here before we get

450
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: to Brandon Stokely and coach Brian billick Um. I thought,

451
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Speaker 1: it's fascinating to me, and I know you feel the

452
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 1: same way. Technology and how that's going to impact how

453
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 1: we evaluate positions, and particularly the wide receiver position because

454
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: buck the uh having having the trackers on players and

455
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: being able to monitor the GPS equipment that is already

456
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: out there and employed right now. It's gonna make a

457
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Speaker 1: huge difference when that's available in the scouting process. Oh,

458
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 1: it's gonna make a tremendous difference because being able to

459
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Speaker 1: track players. We talk in the NBA about load management

460
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: and how are you able to kind of uh reduce

461
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Speaker 1: the impact on your players by kind of giving them

462
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Speaker 1: a day off for not making them kind of fight

463
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: through the wall. But when it comes to our receivers,

464
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: there's no one that runs as much of our receivers

465
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Speaker 1: on the field. Every play is basically attracted me. And

466
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Speaker 1: so if you're able to kind of put some monitors

467
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Speaker 1: on the players kind of see where they're you then

468
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: could come up with a better plan for later week

469
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Speaker 1: to be able to kind of get them going so

470
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Speaker 1: they're fresh. More importantly, you're able to check their real explosiveness.

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Speaker 1: It's going to change the way that we evaluate, uh,

472
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Speaker 1: why receiving accelerationtion, Yeah, that's gonna be asking to see

473
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Speaker 1: where it goes from a scouting standpoint. All right, Buck,

474
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Speaker 1: We're gonna get to a coach, Brian Billick in a minute.

475
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Speaker 1: But first up our conversation with one of Peyton Manning's

476
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Speaker 1: favorite targets on two different teams. Brandon stokely actor throw

477
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Speaker 1: Trent Dilford throwing deep down the middle. First, Stoke, please

478
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Speaker 1: got it? Ten? Brandon stokelay for the store. He beat

479
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Speaker 1: Jason c Horn and the Ravens up thirty eight yard

480
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Speaker 1: strike Delford Stoke clay Uh coming out of I still say,

481
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Speaker 1: what Southwestern Louisiana and now now it's University of Louisiana.

482
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: What we call in your school now Stoke Louisiana, University

483
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: of Louisiana at last, Yet we we like to be

484
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Speaker 1: the state schools. I want to say University of Louisiana. Okay,

485
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: that's a good one. I like that. Well, we'll go

486
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Speaker 1: with that. And by the way, do we ever figure

487
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Speaker 1: this out? Because our teams played against each other when

488
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: I was at Northeast Louisiana and in nineteen seven, but

489
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Speaker 1: I think you might have been hurt. I don't know

490
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Speaker 1: if you played in that game against n l U

491
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Speaker 1: that year. Did you play in that one? I don't

492
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Speaker 1: think I didn't play in that one. And um, I

493
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: try to forget those last two years of my career

494
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: in college. They weren't very successful. We didn't win many

495
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Speaker 1: football games. Well you did. You did win plenty of

496
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Speaker 1: football games when you got to the next level. I

497
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Speaker 1: want to talk to you about the wide receiver position today,

498
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: obviously an area of expertise. You do not play that

499
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Speaker 1: long to be as productive as you were without understanding

500
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 1: the nuances of that position. But I want to start

501
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: go back to to high school because I'm always an

502
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Speaker 1: amor from the scouting side of things of of guys

503
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Speaker 1: that played multiple sports. I know you played other sports.

504
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Speaker 1: How how did those other sports shape you and develop

505
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Speaker 1: you and help you on the football field. Well, I

506
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 1: think when you look at playing you know, basketball and baseball,

507
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: and what those sports do for for you. In football,

508
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Speaker 1: you talk about UH quickness, inline quickness, especially for a

509
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Speaker 1: guy like me that's playing wide receiver, playing in the slot,

510
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: just being able to move in spaces, UM and being

511
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: able to uh you know when you're talking about learning

512
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: how to work with other players and and and UH.

513
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: For me, I love multi sport athletes. UM. And I

514
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: think when you look at where today's high school and

515
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: young sports are going, it's harder and harder to multi sports,

516
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: and I think that hurts the kids. But for me,

517
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: I think playing basketball and playing baseball, playing other sports

518
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: really helped me uh in football, uh and be a

519
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: better player, but also you know, learn how to be

520
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: a better be a better teammate. I love that. I

521
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: love that. And when you think about just a sport

522
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Speaker 1: of baseball particularly, I've seen a lot of wide receivers

523
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Speaker 1: have a little bit of a baseball background. Being able

524
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Speaker 1: to track the ball, I would imagine that helps just

525
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: basic hand eye coordination. It seems like an easy transfer. Absolutely. Um.

526
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Speaker 1: I think when you when you do when you look

527
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Speaker 1: at baseball, when you look at hitting, when you look

528
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Speaker 1: at catching fly balls and all those things, just hand

529
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Speaker 1: eye coordination, the more you do it, the better off

530
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna be. And I think, um, you know, doing

531
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: and not just catching football's year round, doing other things

532
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: to help your hand eye coordination, UM will will help

533
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: you in whatever sports you're trying to do. But certainly

534
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: when you're looking at catching a football and running routes,

535
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: I think football basketball with with the quickness and and

536
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: and being able to move side side to side laterally

537
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: up and down the court. In baseball, just like you said, DJU,

538
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: being able to track of hand eye coordination. Uh, you know,

539
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: batting and hitting and and and and tracking the baseball

540
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: from the pitcher's hands absolutely helps you. But if you

541
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Speaker 1: had to just start with kind of the basics, the

542
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: two or three core traits you believe you have to

543
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: have in order to be successful at the National Football

544
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: League level with the wide receiver position, what would they be. Well,

545
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: you have to have quickness. Um, you have to be

546
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: able to get off the jam and the press coverage.

547
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: And if you can't do that, you're not gonna win

548
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: in the NFL. These guys are too good. They're gonna

549
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: get in your face, is gonna try to reroute you.

550
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: So Uh, you have to be able to have quickness

551
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: to get off the line of scrimmage. I think second, Um,

552
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: you have to be able to get in and out

553
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: of your brakes. Uh. To be a good route runner.

554
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: And I think that's a little bit overlooked at the

555
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: at the younger ages and in college. But when you

556
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: get in the NFL, if you're not a good route runner,

557
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: these defenses, these cornerbacks are too good. Um, they'll they'll,

558
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: they'll cover you. Um. And I think the third is,

559
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, you need to have good hands, you need

560
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: to be reliable. UM. And I don't think frontline. You know,

561
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 1: speed is everything. I'd rather have a guy that's uh quick,

562
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: that can get off the jam, that runs good routes,

563
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: and that catches everything. And I think that's what you

564
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: see a lot of these teams that are successful doing

565
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: these days. Looking at the postseason, you look at how

566
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: the game changes. Obviously, I think you played something like

567
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: sixteen postseason games, so you know about playoff football. But

568
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 1: the space disappears. You're looking more a lot more contact catches.

569
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: I think you go back to the Super Bowl. Watch

570
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: you know Brandon Cooks isn't able to haul in you know,

571
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: a ball where he gets contacted down the field. You

572
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: look at Alshon Jeffrey the year that the Eagles one.

573
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: He's got contact catches. Obviously Edelman's famous one against the

574
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: Falcons where he's able to pin the ball to his

575
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: head and somehow come come down with it. But that

576
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: overall strength be able to absorb contact and finish. Um,

577
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: how do you go about developing that trade? And is

578
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,239
Speaker 1: that something you see as a key, especially with all

579
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: your postseason experience. I think it's just reps and practice, um,

580
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: you know, and doing different drills UM, and put putting

581
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: receivers and putting yourself in different positions, and practice too

582
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: in your individual work to you know, catch the football,

583
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: take hits. Catch the football, take hits, whether it just

584
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: be the padding that you hit the guy with, UM.

585
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: And the other thing is just look concentration and focus

586
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: really um because you can't you can't go out and

587
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: practice and catch the football and get drilled every time.

588
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: You can't work on it that way, especially in today's

589
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: you know sports. But but I think when you talk

590
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: about just just the want to and just focus, um,

591
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: because you know you're gonna get hit and you've got

592
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: to block that out of your mind and just focus

593
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: on the football and and and so I think it's

594
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: a concentration and focus but also just being able to

595
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: block out the pain that's about to happen and focused

596
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: on the football and know that you know, regardless of

597
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen, you're gonna get hit, so you might

598
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: as well catch the football. It's somebody that obviously you're

599
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: known for your hands. You caught everything, but also you

600
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: had a little wiggle, a little something after the catch.

601
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 1: What goes into making somebody successful after the catch? You're

602
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: trying to evaluate these guys we are each and every year.

603
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: What makes somebody special after the catch? I mean for

604
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: me that really you know, I tried to get yards

605
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: after the catch, but for me it was more like

606
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: catching the football and then trying not to get killed

607
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: because I knew my limitation. I wasn't gonna get it.

608
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna have a fifty yard touched out and

609
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: run very often. You had a little wigglestoke, you had

610
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: some wiggle, you had something like yourself Like I had

611
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: some good wiggle, But then when a guy touched me,

612
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: I just like crumbled and fell so that I wasn't

613
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: breaking many tackles. Um. Look, I think it's just you know,

614
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: being an athlete, you know, and you see these guys

615
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: younger younger age, and where the game has gone, and

616
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: these seven on seven camps, and and how advanced the

617
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: passing game has become at younger and younger ages, and

618
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: and look, these kids are more and more athletic. They're training,

619
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Speaker 1: um like you know, never before and so I think

620
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: you get these guys the ball in space, especially when

621
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: you look at at how many receivers are on the

622
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: football field and you look at where the passing game

623
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: is going, You're seeing a lot of these these running

624
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: backs that used to be running backs play wide receiver

625
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: and so um, you know, getting the football in their

626
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: hands and watching what they can do after. I mean,

627
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: that's that's what you see the game going to and

628
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: what you see. A lot of success happened, especially um

629
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: in the college game, and you see it's starting to

630
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: uh kind of trickle into the NFL game. We always

631
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: talk about building a basketball team with your wide receivers,

632
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: getting guys with different skill sets. You play there with

633
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: the Colts. I believe you guys, one year, all three

634
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: of you with you, Regiatd, Marvin Harrison went over a

635
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: thousand yards. I believe you had over ten touchdowns that year.

636
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: But what were the different skill sets that you guys

637
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: brought to the table that that kind of complimented the

638
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: whole offense With Peyton there, well, Reggie was that tough,

639
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: physical wide receiver, UM, and you know he was our

640
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: our physical he was our forcer. Uh, if you needed

641
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: somebody to run through a tackle, break a tackle. That

642
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: was Reggie Wayne. UM Marvin Harrison. Look, he could just

643
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: do it all. He wasn't gonna break tackles. But you

644
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: talked about the quickness to get off the line of scrimmage,

645
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: the acceleration, the attention to detail on the routes. Um,

646
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: you couldn't press him. And both of those guys had

647
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: unbelievable hands. But the thing that really separated them was

648
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: their work ethic and and bringing it on the practice

649
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: field Monday through Saturday and then it just transferred over

650
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: to Sunday. But those guys had a unique skill set.

651
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: We didn't have that big six six wide receiver UM,

652
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: but but we had the tough wide receiver and Reggie Wayne.

653
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: And we had the quick, fast, explosive guy, Marvin Harrison.

654
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: And I was just kind of the compliment in between

655
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: the two, like, okay, when they cover both of those

656
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: guys up, Peyton was just like, all right, let me

657
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: just find that little guy over the middle. Hopefully done.

658
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: Screwed things up? Yeah, over a thousand yards and ten

659
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: touchdowns plus, I think I think you did. Okay there, Uh,

660
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: look at that chemistry you guys had with Peyton. What

661
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: goes into that because we just see the finished product

662
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: on the field on Sunday, but to be able to

663
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: throw with the timing anticipation that Number eight team did

664
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: all throughout his career. Give us a little peek behind

665
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: the curtain of what went into developing that chemistry with

666
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: your quarterback. It was work. It was work every single day, um.

667
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: And I remember waking up because Thursday was our long days.

668
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: That was our two minute drill, that was our third down.

669
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: So for a guy like me, that was the long

670
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: long days, and we would go two and a half

671
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: hours and we would end that practice and I would

672
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: wake up on Friday, and I was more more on

673
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: Friday than I would be on Monday after a football game.

674
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: So I mean we put in a lot of war

675
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: and a lot of attention to detail, um, because you

676
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: knew that obviously Peyton doesn't didn't like gray area, He

677
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: didn't like any gray are He wanted to know, Okay,

678
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: this is how you're gonna do it, so when it's

679
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: third or fourth down, I know exactly where you're gonna be, um.

680
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: And and so we just put the work in and

681
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: and and it came obviously from Peyton Manning, but when

682
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: he looked at when when I got there, and I

683
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: saw the way that Marvin and Reggie worked and like, okay,

684
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: well I have to work like these guys if I

685
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: want to get on the football field. And if you

686
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: don't work like that with Peyton, and he'll just find

687
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: somebody else and another guy will step in and that

688
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: guy will probably be really successful also that chance it

689
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: visit Peyton a couple of years back. I remember him

690
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: telling a story about how after practice he liked, instead

691
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: of going through the whole route tree, which which for

692
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: those who know, you're kind of running every single route

693
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: that's in the book, he would take one guy one

694
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: route and then just rep the same route over and

695
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 1: over and over again. Was that what he was doing

696
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: all the way back then? Oh yeah, oh yeah. Remember

697
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: uh two thousand twelve of Payne's first year here in Denver,

698
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: we were playing the Bears in our first preseason game

699
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: and I ran a bad route and I drifted up

700
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: the field on a five yard under route and drifted

701
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: up the field. I thought nobody was there. Well, somebody

702
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: was there, unfortunately, and it was intercepted and everybody was

703
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: watching that game. That was Peyton Manning's return, and so

704
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: he proceeded the next day at practice, um to make

705
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: me run that route with him off to the side

706
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: every time a special team's practice was going on, or

707
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: after practice, anytime we had a little break, I had

708
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: to run that five yard under that I've run probably

709
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: a million times, and I knew my mistake and I

710
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: knew what I did, and I was never gonna do

711
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: it again. But I had to run that thing a

712
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: thousand times during practice, so so not happen again. So

713
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: that yeah, that's Peyton Manning, just the attention to detail

714
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: the repetition, you know, making sure that everybody was on

715
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: the same page. All right, brand I want to I

716
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: want to test your memory a little bit here. We've

717
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: talked a lot about those years you spent playing with

718
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and Marvin and Reggie and those guys. I

719
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: want to go back to the Baltimore Ravens where it started.

720
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: I want to go back to the Super Bowl. Obviously,

721
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: everybody knows about your touchdown and that one the first

722
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: touchdown of that game. Uh, do you remember, I'm sure

723
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: you can't forget this right. You remember the play call,

724
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: the coverage and and did you know right away what

725
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: did you do it right away? This was coming your way.

726
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: I thought I had a good chance for it. I

727
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: felt really prepared that game. We we I receiver coach

728
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: Milt Jackson, the late great Milt Jackson. Um, we we were.

729
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: We were going through different scenarios what they like to do,

730
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: and we knew they liked to bracket the two inside guys,

731
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: and so I saw the coverage. I knew what they

732
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: were doing, and Milt told me, hey, you're not gonna

733
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: be able to beat both of these guys. Pick all

734
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: of them, and pick that outside guy and try to

735
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: beat him. And then the quarterback if he throws it

736
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: to you, he's gonna have to beat the other guy. Well, fortunately,

737
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: uh for me, I had Channel Sharp on the other

738
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: side of the football, and for some reason, not only

739
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: did two guys cover Shandon Sharp, three guys cover SChannel Sharp.

740
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: That that shows you what they thought about me. They're like, well,

741
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: we're only good one three guys on Shannon Sharp. So

742
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: I had it pretty easy and it was just one

743
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: on one and the defensive back, uh, Sea Horn. I

744
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: think he was expecting the help um that he never got.

745
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: And you know, Trent made a great throw and so

746
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: I didn't really have to do all that much. I

747
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: just kind of ran my route and like I was

748
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: getting double come, just like Milt had taught me. And

749
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: Trent made a great throw right down the seam, and

750
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: I was look, I was shocked. I was like, oh,

751
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: no way, is this ball coming my way. I got

752
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: a chance to catch it and and and and maybe

753
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: score a touchdown. So I was just like, don't drop it,

754
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: don't drop it, don't drop in that I caught it

755
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: and I was right there. I mean I was a

756
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: couple of yards away from the end zone and in

757
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: no way I wasn't gonna get that end zone. But

758
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: it was, you know, like a small kid from Lafayette,

759
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: Louisiana catching a touchdown to the Super Bowl in my

760
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: second year in the NFL. I mean, I was just, uh,

761
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, it was unbelievable just to be in that situation. Yeah,

762
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: I know it's gonna go down in Super Bowl history.

763
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: We'll see that play over and over and over again.

764
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 1: Just curious, have you run into Seahorn since that game

765
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: at all? Have not have not seen, have not seen Seahorn.

766
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: I just tell him to jump on my back and

767
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: I'd carry him for a few more yards if I

768
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: saw last Yeah, he got hung out to dry on

769
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: that plate. Yeah, no it was not he was not.

770
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: He was not in a good spot. We'll we'll leave

771
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: it at that and all apologies to to the Seahorn family. Uh.

772
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: Last thing, Brandon, look as somebody that spent fifteen years

773
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: in this league at the wide receiver position, UM for

774
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: for a new cropp of rookies we have entering into

775
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: the league, just simply, what would your advice to these

776
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: guys be? Um? It would be pay attention to the

777
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: details of small things. I think that's what separates you. UM,

778
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: and put in the extra work, right, put in the

779
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 1: extra work with a quarterback. And because if your quarterbacks

780
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: your best friend, I mean Trent Dilford swears of this

781
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: day that he saved my job going into my second

782
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: year in the NFL. Uh that Brian Billick wanted to

783
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: cut me and Trent went to him and they were

784
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: talking about it. He said, no, uh, I want to

785
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: I want that. I want him to stay around. I

786
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: think you got something to him. So I don't know

787
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: how true that story is that talk to turn about that, um,

788
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: but that you want to be friends with that quarterback

789
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: because he's got a lot of different options. And if

790
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: you trust you and if he believes in you, then

791
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: you know what, you're gonna have a chance to be successful.

792
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: So I think just work ethic and just working on um,

793
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: just the little things, the attention to detail, the route

794
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: getting in and out of your break. Obviously, you know

795
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: you want to be fast, you want to be explosive

796
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: and all those things. But look, if you can't run

797
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: routes and if you're not precise with your routes, uh,

798
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: you're not gonna last, especially if you're trying to play

799
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Well, I think that is fantastic results

800
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: to me, boil it down, talk about the details, get

801
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: your extra work in there, and nothing's gonna trump your

802
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: your work ethic, that's where it's got to start. And

803
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: then you earn the trust your quarterback. You're in a

804
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: pretty good place. That's a good good place to start

805
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: right there, Man Brandon, I cannot thank you enough. Man,

806
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: I sit here and talk about this forever with you. Uh.

807
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure not only to watch you throughout

808
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: your career, but to get to know you in your

809
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: post playing career. You do a wonderful job in the media. UM,

810
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: and we can't thank you enough for your time today.

811
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it well. Block anytime

812
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: you can talk to somebody who's played the position for

813
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: fifteen years in the National Football League. Uh. The expertise

814
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: that we were able to uh to get from Brandon

815
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: Stokely there was outstanding. And I did chuck a little

816
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: bit when he referred to himself as Peyton Mannings his

817
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: little guy over the middle. Yeah, it's funny how he

818
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: kind of became Peyton Mannings go to guy, one of

819
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: his favorite targets in critical situations. His ability to work

820
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: the middle of the field really put himself in a

821
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: position where he could occupy a prominent role for years

822
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: for Versticals and then the Denver Broncos. I just like

823
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: when Brandon Stokey talked about the position and just being

824
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: a skilled guy, a craftsman, being able to work on

825
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: the craft and even if you do or don't have speed,

826
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: being able to run rouse to create separation. That is

827
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: a difference between good and great receivers at the level

828
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: and look at it again points out the importance of

829
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: having the basketball team. A conversation we're going to have

830
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: with coach Billock about having different styles of receivers and

831
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: guys that are big, guys that are quick, Um, guys

832
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: that are inside guys versus outside guys. You have to

833
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: have a collection there. Um. As much as it'd be

834
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: fun to trot out a bunch of six ft five guys,

835
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: buck to have somebody in the middle of the field. Uh,

836
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: they can get in and out of a break, and

837
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: get you some easy completions third and four, third and five.

838
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: And you have yourself a guy like Edelman or somebody

839
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: uh plays the game like Brandon Stokely. Did we see

840
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: it with Adam Humphreys. Um, We've seen a lot of

841
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: guys carve out a nice role for themselves in the slot.

842
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley is another one. So uh, it's uh, it's

843
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: fascinating when you're scouting the position. It's not cookie cutter.

844
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: You want a collection of different skills. Yeah, you absolutely

845
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: want a collection to different school skills. If we think

846
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: about in baseball, we talk about five two players guys

847
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: that have the ability to do a variety of different

848
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: things and they can fill in in a bunch of

849
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: different roles. Speed, physicality, toughness, Uh, the ability to run

850
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: after cast like we talked about, big play ability, meaning

851
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: they can stretch the defense vertically or they can make

852
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: plays on horizontal looks. And finally, reliability consistency being able

853
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: to show up each and every week. And if you're

854
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: the number one receiver, no matter who was opposite you,

855
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: you find a way to deliver the goods when the

856
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: goods are needed. That is what I'm looking to see,

857
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: all right, buck Well, that was a fun conversation there

858
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: with Brandon Stokely and Uh, if you listen closely, you

859
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: heard him mention that Trent Dilford saved him because Brian

860
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: Billick wanted to cut him true or faults We're about

861
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: to find out. We're gonna jump into this receiver discussion

862
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: today and they're gonna have some fun there. But right

863
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: off the top, you need to clear something up because

864
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: your guy Brandon Stokely, who we both love, came on

865
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 1: and said that his time as a Raven was gonna

866
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: be brief if not for Trent Dilford going to you,

867
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: uh to lobby that he remained on the team. Now

868
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: we need to know is this true or faults? Well,

869
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: you know what here, you know Brandon Stokely is the smallest,

870
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: slow white guy. So right from the get go, you're going, okay,

871
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: you know where where's this guy gonna fit? But I

872
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: will tell you what now, No, there's no point I

873
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: was gonna let Brandon Stokely go. I'll tell you who

874
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: his biggest advocate was, which will surprise you a little bit. Obviously,

875
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: Trent as a quarterback recognized the value that you can

876
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: have Steve Schaefer, who was our long time defensive backfield

877
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: coach but in the league a long long time. Steve

878
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: more so than anybody, and of course the dB coach

879
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: and you see him in you know you're opposite him.

880
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: You see all the receivers. Steve was the one that said, hey, guys,

881
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: if we don't keep Brandon Stokely, it's a mistake because

882
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: this guy can play. He's one of the hardest guy

883
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: who's intelligent player the basketball and grass. He knew where

884
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: to go. So that was probably his biggest proponent of

885
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: all the coaches and players. Was the defensive backfield coach

886
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: for the Ravens. Oh there you go, so we've got

887
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: the true story there, uh, Coach. Of the things we

888
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: talked about when you joined us a couple of years ago. UM,

889
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: and and really it's got legs because we've continued to

890
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: talk about a lot of other people have picked it

891
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: up as well. When we look at the wide receiver position,

892
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: you use the term trying to build a basketball team,

893
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: guys with different skill sets, different sizes. UM. For those

894
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: that haven't heard that explanation, can you explain to him? Yeah,

895
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: just the fact that when you when you have a

896
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: receiving corps, you're gonna you know, you're gonna have five

897
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: or six guys that you carry in and varying uh,

898
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, varying areas. But I always you don't want

899
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: all the same players. Like a basketball team. I need

900
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: my big man, you know, I mean my off forward.

901
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: I need that power forward. I need a point guard,

902
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: but I need an off guard. Each brings a little

903
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: something different for what you need. And anytime we were

904
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: good offensively and had a good receiving corps, particularly with

905
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: that ninety eight group that set all the records in Minnesota,

906
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: we had a diversity in what we were able to do.

907
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: Whatever you wanted to do coverage wise, we had an

908
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: answer for you. We just talked talking, got done talking

909
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: about a Brandon Lookley, a guy that you look at

910
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: the share physical skills. You can go, Okay, if I

911
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: put ten guys in the room, you're gonna kind of go, well,

912
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: you know, there's gonna be other guys that are bigger, faster,

913
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: strong or whatever. But he served a very specific purpose

914
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: in that starting five. I've kind of put him in

915
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: that off guard, you know, capacity to be able to

916
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: fill in off that you know, a Chris Carter if

917
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: he'd have been with me in Minnesota. You know that

918
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: Yan and Yang that you have. Uh, you need that

919
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: well rounded group and so you can't have all the

920
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: same type of players. And speaking to that coach, one

921
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: of the phrases we hear a lot and we we

922
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: use it and scouting all the time. You talk about

923
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: somebody can take the top off the defense, having a

924
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: true speed guy. Uh, what what's the importance of having

925
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: somebody that has that ability to be able to really

926
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: stretch the field. What does that do for an offense?

927
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: What does that do for you as a play caller? Well,

928
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: just that it does just as the term indicates. It

929
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: takes the top off the defense. It backs everybody up.

930
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: It's one of those you know you best back up,

931
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: because if you let this guy fly by you, and

932
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: we have any number of guys that can do that,

933
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: you know, it's a rare talent because it's one thing

934
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: to fly by people, but can you catch it? You know,

935
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: can you make the catch on top of it? So

936
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: you not only have to be able to And what

937
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: that does, It just loosens the defense. It loosens up

938
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: the underneath zones or the underneath man. It allows you

939
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: match ups because maybe you have to put two guys

940
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: on that guy that can take the vertical and go

941
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: over the top. So now I'm gonna get a one

942
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: on one matchup. I know we're gonna talk a little

943
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: later about I had the ultimate take the top off

944
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: the defensive guy and randoms and what that did for

945
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: a Chris Carter underneath, who you know as a Hall

946
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: of Famer in his own right, but what that did

947
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: for him in terms of matchups and what he could

948
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: do underneath. So I go back to the basketball and

949
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: grass mentality. If I have that dominant big man in

950
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: the middle, or that dominant three point shooter, that guy

951
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: that the defense has to adjust for schematically, it's gonna

952
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: open up a whole lot of opportunities for others. And

953
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: what's your definition coach of we use a phrase now

954
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: one wide receiver in your opinion, what's the definition of

955
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: a number one wide receiver? That guy that dictates what

956
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: a defense has to do. Now, that number one guy

957
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: could be just like we talked about, a guy with

958
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: size or speed that can take the top off. It

959
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: may be a guy that in the intermediate zones, like

960
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: a Chris Carter that you just you can't You're not

961
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: gonna win one on one. You're gonna have to brack it,

962
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: or you're gonna have to play zone. And maybe a

963
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: guy like Gronkowski that is just so physical in terms

964
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 1: of the matchups and where you can get him the ball.

965
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: So that that dominant one number one right now, And

966
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: and we probably throw the term around too loosely, there's

967
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: only a handful of guys that are truly that dominant

968
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: number one right now. You know, Julio Jones is probably

969
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: the most dominant number one that we have in the

970
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: league right now in terms of everything that he can do.

971
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: And a guy that you you know, if you go in,

972
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: you better account for him on every single play. You

973
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: can bracket him, you can roll over the top of him,

974
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: you can jam. You better do something because you ever

975
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: leave him one on one or unaccounted for, the quarterbacks

976
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: gonna find him. Most difficult part of the transition. You know,

977
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: a lot of times we see guys in colleges that

978
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: don't see much press coverage, and that's one of the

979
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: areas we we often focus on. But in your experience,

980
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: haven't been around this position forever, coach, The most difficult

981
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: part of that transition is what. Yeah, I think it's

982
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: that physical aspect. Many times when you look and you

983
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: bring players in the NFL, you say, okay, are they

984
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: NFL ready? Are they position ready? Uh? Is there something?

985
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: Can you know? Are they plug in play? And for

986
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: a while you think, well, certainly a receiver falls into

987
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: that category because you just have the physical skills of

988
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: speed and hands and catching whatever. But compared to some

989
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: other positions, I actually think it's one of the toughest

990
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: transitions for just what you alluded to one the physicality

991
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: of the game and the idea of what's open in

992
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,959
Speaker 1: the NFL. When you're in college football, you can create

993
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 1: a window because the matchup from week to week, player

994
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: two players side to side. You know, yeah, you they're

995
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: number one corner may match up which you, but how

996
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: does their two, three and four match up with you?

997
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: If I'm in the college game, where in the NFL too,

998
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: three and four? Pretty darn good. And so it's that

999
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: kind of matchup creating the windows to be able to

1000
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: create the separation that a quarterback knows he can he

1001
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: can get the ball to you. Plus can he trust you?

1002
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: Can he you know a quarterback that relationship, particularly the

1003
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: young player. Can I trust him? Can I put the

1004
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: ball in a certain place that I know that's where

1005
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: it has to go to get completed? And is he

1006
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: gonna adapt to it? Is he gonna know? I think

1007
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: of a Ben Roethlisberger and the way he, you know,

1008
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: matures these young receivers that come into Pittsburgh year after year. Uh,

1009
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: he develops a trust with them and they realize, Okay,

1010
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: I gotta be where I need to be when I'm

1011
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: supposed to be there doing what I'm supposed to be doing.

1012
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: With a quarterback like a Ben Roethlisberger or an Aaron

1013
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: Rodgers or any of the great quarterbacks, if I'm going

1014
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: to be successful in this league. Well, you mentioned it

1015
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: there with with Ben Roethlisberger and some of the success.

1016
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: Now there's a little bit of friction there with Antonio

1017
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: Brown and Antonio Brown uh kind of the latest example

1018
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: where you can have uniqu personalities at the wide receiver position,

1019
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: which is gonna lead me uh to some of the

1020
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: guys you got a chance to coach. We're gonna talk

1021
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: about Randy Moss in just a little bit, but first

1022
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: of all to talk about Chris Carter. And I'm gonna

1023
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: tee up this little bite here of of Chris Carter

1024
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: and John Randall on Chris Carter's personality, because dealing with

1025
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: receivers and and uh and some of those big boisterous

1026
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: personalities is not something new. As you can hear right here.

1027
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: I hated playing team sports, and I really hated playing

1028
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: with other players that I had to depend on, and

1029
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: I really had to adjust my temperament to rely on

1030
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: them because it was all of us trying to win.

1031
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: I guess we would say he was pushing people to

1032
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: that to the limits, and it rubbed from the guy's

1033
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: wrong way. Hello, man, you gotta started making them fire

1034
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: like that start. I like playing being um uh not

1035
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: the favorite player on the team and all that. Oh,

1036
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: that's irrelevant to me. But was I honest? Was I fair?

1037
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 1: And did I do everything I promised to my teammates

1038
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: that I would do? Those are the things that you

1039
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: have to ask. Yeah, Chris, Chris, and everything you heard there,

1040
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: I think sums up what being a receiver in the

1041
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: National Football League, even with the diva moniker that they get,

1042
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: because the thing that distinguished it. And believe me, yeah,

1043
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: Chris was a handful. He was a handful of coach.

1044
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: Maybe one of my favorite players of all time. But

1045
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: you had you came to work every day ready to

1046
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: deal because one very very intelligent and he he he

1047
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: could see things. He had great street smarts. And if

1048
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: you if you stumbled around, if you weren't consistent, if

1049
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: you started to b s coach him a little bit. Uh,

1050
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: he was not shy about jumping in your grill going, hey,

1051
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: you're you're not helping me here, you're not coaching me here,

1052
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: You're of no use to me here. And he was right. Uh.

1053
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: The thing that that distinguished him from those that that think, Okay,

1054
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: maybe that's the way I want to be as receiver,

1055
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: Chris came every day in practice, in games, he came

1056
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: to work and as a you know when as a

1057
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: coach you responded to that professionalism, going okay, fair enough,

1058
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: I gotta be on my game and those around him

1059
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: need to be on their game because he's on his

1060
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: game and he works. If he's one of those guys

1061
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: that tried to skate by and not do the little things,

1062
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: then that's a little harder. And yeah, did he run

1063
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 1: some people the wrong way, sure, but they also recognize

1064
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: this guy is the real deal, and you're gonna put

1065
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: up with a lot when someone's willing to step up

1066
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: every time like that. It's interesting because you hear a

1067
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: lot about Antonio Brown and his work ethic in in

1068
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: the work that he put in a lot of these

1069
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: guys and I look, I don't know Antonio Brown that well,

1070
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 1: but you you kind of get a reputation personality wise,

1071
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: but from your experience coach, you deal with the personalities.

1072
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: It sounds like if these guys are putting in the

1073
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: work and the results come along with it. Sure, and

1074
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: with Chris and I imagined Antonio Brown is the same way. Um,

1075
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, the diva receiver. I used to I like

1076
00:51:54,719 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: the term competitive um, aggressive, competitiveness, Okay, petitive, arrogance in

1077
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: that Chris Carter truly believed, get me the ball. If

1078
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: you want to win, if you want to score touchdowns,

1079
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: get me the ball. And I used to have on

1080
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: my game plan and that was a fair assertion because

1081
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: he would deliver. I used to have on my game

1082
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: plans when I was coordinating Minnesota a Carter box, which

1083
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: was as a game evolves, and he's going to get

1084
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: the ball. But if if the game is going in

1085
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: a certain way and you haven't been able to get

1086
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: the ball to him, it was okay, I gotta go

1087
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: to one of these because because I've got to keep

1088
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: Chris involved, not only from the standpoint, keep engaged. Uh

1089
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: And so he wasn't over in the sideline in my ear,

1090
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, going after me. But but just from the standpoint, okay,

1091
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: we we Where can I get Chris the ball? Because

1092
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: it's usually gonna have a real positive effect, And the

1093
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: great ones dictate that for you in terms of how

1094
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: you've got to use them, and the quarterbacks recognize that

1095
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: as well. Now it is a balance, you know, you

1096
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: talk about Ben Roethlisberger and having to deal with that

1097
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: that genuine passion for give me the ball, because we

1098
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: want to win and I can win for us, but

1099
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: also the dictates of you know what, I got some

1100
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: other guys too, And as hard as it is for

1101
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: you to understand, maybe you're not open, okay, it's hard

1102
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: for a receiver some time to appreciate that. So it

1103
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: is a lot for the quarterback to have to juggle

1104
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: the two words I wrote down their competitiveness and then

1105
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: really too phrase than work ethic. I think when you

1106
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: have those as the foundation, I think then you can

1107
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: maybe see past some of those things. And I think

1108
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: that's a great example. I think of Michael Thomas with

1109
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: the Saints um whose Twitter handle is literally can't guard Mike,

1110
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 1: who was ultimately uh so competitive and and that drive

1111
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: is what drives his work ethic and we've seen the

1112
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: production that that follows it. So when we're looking at

1113
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: scouting process, coach, I think that's a box that competitiveness boxes.

1114
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: Maybe a little underrated there at the wide receiver position.

1115
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: Sure it is because and and no more so. You've

1116
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: got some great examples, and I think maybe as much

1117
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: with receiver as any other position on the team, where

1118
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that we've had as many players impact

1119
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: the league that we're late round draft choices or free

1120
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: agents the way we do. You think of Adam Feeling

1121
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Uh, you think of Julian Elman in in

1122
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: in New England, where like we were talking about before,

1123
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: then when you you look at them and size them

1124
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: up and saying, well, okay, how do these talents size

1125
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: up with O Julio Jones or Randy Moss. I mean

1126
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: the evidence and you're going, well, this guy is bigger,

1127
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: and he's faster and stronger. How can he not be

1128
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: a better receiver? But you have some of these guys

1129
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: that have that competitives and they realize, I've got to

1130
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: find a niche. I'm not as big, as fast as strong,

1131
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: I can't jump as high, so I gotta find how

1132
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: do I offset that. Well, I'm gonna be smarter, I'm

1133
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: gonna be able to work my way open and know

1134
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: where the soft areas are of the zone. I'm gonna

1135
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: be competitive. I'm gonna develop that basketball and grass and

1136
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: and and find that niche that can offset the fact

1137
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: that I maybe don't have the physical skills of these

1138
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: other guys. And that's how you end up with the

1139
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: late round draft choices or the free agents. An Tonio

1140
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: Brown is a perfect example a guy that you know,

1141
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: again for any none of the reasons we make the

1142
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: mistake they're not big enough, they're not strong enough, they're

1143
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: not fast enough. But they find that combination of abilities

1144
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: to bring out that competitiveness and they bring it every

1145
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: single day, and and that's why the back end guys

1146
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: can be successful in this league. I think it's a

1147
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: great point. Coach Selfie, want to transition a little bit

1148
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: here and talk about Randy Moss. I think there's a debate. Uh,

1149
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: some people believe there's debate something to say, there isn't.

1150
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 1: It's always Jerry Rice and Randy Moss is the discussion.

1151
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a debate though, that's for who

1152
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 1: the best wide receiver in the history NFL. I don't

1153
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 1: think there's a debate for who's the most talented wide

1154
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: receiver in the history of the NFL. And let's let

1155
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 1: you listen to this bite again. This is Chris Carter

1156
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: and John Randall on Randy Moss when he first joined

1157
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: the Vikings. I really wanted to put a mark on

1158
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: his memory that he would never ever forget as far

1159
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: as what it was gonna take to be great. After

1160
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: a few workouts, I called Dennis Green and told him

1161
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: that he is the most unbelievable athlete that I have

1162
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: ever seen. Most guys you just watching in practice. I

1163
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: always do the opposite. I go over there and talk

1164
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: to the guys who are going against it, And I

1165
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: asked those dbs, what do you think they were going there? Man,

1166
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get him. That summed it up

1167
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: right there, Yeah, Randy, I I think you sized up

1168
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: very well DJ when you said, with all the respect

1169
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: to Jerry Rice, who is probably the greatest receiver of

1170
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 1: all time, I think Randy Moss is the greatest talent

1171
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: at receiver we've ever seen in this game. And I

1172
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: don't know that we'll ever see the likes of it again.

1173
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: Chris alluded to it there. I remember remember Randy Moss

1174
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: kind of felt to us. Uh. Danny Green came in

1175
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: the morning of the draft says, we're gonna get Randy Moss.

1176
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: Now we were picking it like one and I'm thinking,

1177
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: and Danny, who's one of the best personnel coaches I've

1178
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: ever known, God rest his soul. I thought, Danny that

1179
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: you're you you're you're you know you're you're off your

1180
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: game now, man, because there's no way Randy Moss gets us.

1181
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: I had done my work on Randy Moss, but not

1182
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: to the detail because I thought there's no way he

1183
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: gets twenty one or twenty two. Well, he gets past Dallas,

1184
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: he gets past twelve, and all of a sudden, there's

1185
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: a run here and I'm going, my god, Danny's right,

1186
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna get Randy Moss. So now I really throw

1187
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: myself back into the film and I'm just getting jazz.

1188
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: Now this boy, we're gonna use it this way. Well,

1189
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: Chris called me about two weeks later, and Chris Carter

1190
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: used to have a workout camp down in Fort Lauderdale,

1191
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: and a lot of veterans, you know, a lot of

1192
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: players will go down there. Will certainly Randy goes down there.

1193
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: And and after a couple of weeks, after the first

1194
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: couple of days that Randy Moss there, Chris calls me says, Brian,

1195
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: you have no idea how good Randy Moss is like, oh, Chris,

1196
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: I know, look at the film. We're gonna do this.

1197
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: It's gonna be awesome because roll Brian, listen to me.

1198
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: You have no idea how good Randy Moss is and

1199
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: coming from a Chris Carter, that's pretty high praise. And

1200
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: and and obviously he delivered. I remember his breakout game

1201
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: because I'm always asked, Okay, what when did you know?

1202
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: Or when you know? What? What what time? During the season.

1203
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: There's a lot of Randy Moss stories, but the one

1204
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: it was a money night game in Green Bay. So

1205
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: it's Monday night, it's Minnesota and green Bay, so obviously

1206
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: it's a huge spotlight. And and Danny Green as my

1207
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: head coach, was the great head coach. He didn't interfere

1208
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: a lot. Danny was He knew what was going on.

1209
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: But Danny didn't bother you on the phones' much. But

1210
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: I remember we threw a gold route with you know,

1211
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: like a lot of teams were shot with Randy going Okay, now,

1212
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: we're not gonna let this rookie dictate to us. We're

1213
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: gonna put our guy. And he goes by him, and

1214
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: and he goes by he gets a touchdown, and Danny

1215
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: switched over. He goes, Brian, you do whatever you want,

1216
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: but I do a whole bunch more of that. So

1217
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: we get another one. He gets down the field. Now

1218
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: there are two, there are two guys on him and

1219
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: and he goes by one out jumps the other and

1220
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: he comes up with a touchdown. Well, now and we're

1221
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: in control of the game, we're near the end of

1222
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: the game. We throw another go to him down the field.

1223
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: Literally there are three guys on him and they're dre

1224
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: aped on him, and he goes up in the end

1225
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,959
Speaker 1: zone and comes down, And that in itself was spectacular.

1226
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: But I will remember most is the three dbs looking

1227
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: back at the sideline, Mike Holmgren and I think Friz

1228
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: Shermer was the defensive coordinator and looking back and you

1229
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: could see it in their eyes. They were basically saying,

1230
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: what do you want us to do? Because the three

1231
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: of us can't do it? Okay, so you better think

1232
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: of something else because we can't stop this guy. That

1233
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: is incredible. Coach the uh uh. If you're looking at

1234
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: the game today and how it's changed, um from when

1235
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: you were there coaching those great offenses, um to where

1236
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: we are now. Um, what do you feel like maybe

1237
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: is more valued in today's game or can be more

1238
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: useful in today's game than what it was, say ten

1239
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. Well, it's interesting you'd bring that up

1240
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: because you think about just you know, you're talking about

1241
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: two Hall of famers, and Randy Moss and Chris Carter.

1242
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: Can you imagine how lethal they would have been given

1243
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: today his rules. Now, Randy obviously more in the latter

1244
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: end of it, but Chris played in a time we

1245
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: talked about the transition into the physicality of the game, uh,

1246
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: and how that's a tough transition for a college player.

1247
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: And now given the rules and and for a lot

1248
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: of different reasons, whether it's the ability to jam or

1249
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: lack of ability to jam, um, the hitting of the

1250
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: defenseless receivers. For Chris Carter to know now if he

1251
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,479
Speaker 1: were to play today knowing I could go into because

1252
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: Chris would go in knowing I'm gonna get lit up here,

1253
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: but I gotta do it because this is where I

1254
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: gotta go to get the ball, knowing he can go

1255
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: in and be protected the way he is today. Um,

1256
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: I think that's probably the biggest thing. Yeah, you always

1257
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: value speed and and and that ability to take the

1258
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: top off the defense. But given the rules today, the

1259
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: ability to be able to move the ball in the

1260
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: passing game, playing small ball, and no one does it

1261
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: better than New England Patriots and Tom Brady and he

1262
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: was when he had a Randy Moss and he had

1263
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: a gronk and he could do the things down the field.

1264
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: But where Brady, a Peyton Manning even and Aaron Rodgers

1265
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: are so brilliant is being able to play that small ball.

1266
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: They're starting five, they know they can dictate a certain

1267
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: coverage and they're gonna have that that off off guard,

1268
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: or they're gonna have that guy that can move around

1269
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: in a space that I know I can get the

1270
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: I know where the hole in the defense is and

1271
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw it there because I've got a

1272
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: guy that also knows where that hole is and has

1273
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: the ability with that basketball on grass mentality. So certainly,

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Speaker 1: always looking for the big receiver and the guy that

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Speaker 1: can you know, man up down the field and out muscle.

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Speaker 1: But I think the basketball on grass the ability to

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Speaker 1: move in the underneath zones. Given the rules today, you

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Speaker 1: you better have a couple of those guys on your team. Absolutely. Well,

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Speaker 1: that is Ah, that is great wisdom from you today, Coach.

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Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough. It's a it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a game that's that the ball is going up in

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Speaker 1: the air more and more each and every year. The

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Speaker 1: wide receiver position. I don't know that it's ever been

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Speaker 1: more important than it is today. Thanks for shotting some

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Speaker 1: light on it for us. I love doing it, d

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Speaker 1: J Alright, Black, this has been another learning experience here

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Speaker 1: on the prototype series. Wrapping up these wide receivers. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get to who we believe as a prototype at

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Speaker 1: the position. But I'm curious. I know you do. We

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Speaker 1: got pages of notes once again, don't we? Oh man,

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Speaker 1: We we do have pages of notes, like just to

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Speaker 1: be able to learn from from the guys they were

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Speaker 1: able to kind of share. I think coach Billy obviously

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Speaker 1: does a great job of kind of detailing the wide

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Speaker 1: receiver position, and we have all these side conversations where

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Speaker 1: he talks about it. In fact, I remember him talking

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Speaker 1: about the basketball team and having different guys to to

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Speaker 1: carry on different roles. And so when we think about

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Speaker 1: the prototypes and the guys they were talking to in

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Speaker 1: terms of Stokely and Thomas Dimitrov, I think we gained

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Speaker 1: a little more insight on what it takes to be

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Speaker 1: a numb more receiver in the league and why so

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Speaker 1: many guys are fascinated by finding the prototype. Yeah, it's

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01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: a really kind of going back over the last thirty

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Speaker 1: years we had UH represented in this in these conversations,

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Speaker 1: so UH learned a lot during the access And again,

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Speaker 1: if this is the first time you're checking out this series,

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Speaker 1: go back and listen to the quarterback in the running

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Speaker 1: back episodes. I think you'll enjoy those as well. All right,

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Speaker 1: this is the moment of truth here. We need to

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Speaker 1: come up with who we believe is the prototype at

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Speaker 1: the position and buck we we see the game the same,

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Speaker 1: but through this Prototype series, when we've tried to come

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Speaker 1: up with who we believe as a prototype, we have

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Speaker 1: not agreed at this point in time on who that

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Speaker 1: prototype is. That changes right now. I don't know who

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Speaker 1: you're gonna say, but I believe in my gut and

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Speaker 1: in my heart that we're gonna have the same guy. Man,

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Speaker 1: this is tough because normally I would offer the big, fast,

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Speaker 1: physical athlete that can overwhelm you on the perimeter. But

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Speaker 1: in my mind, I think the prototype is Odell Beckham June.

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Speaker 1: And the reason the reason he's the prototype because look,

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Speaker 1: he's fast, he's explosive, he's dynamic, he can take the

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Speaker 1: top off the defense is a vertical thread. He can

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Speaker 1: run away from people on horizontal drag routes. He has

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Speaker 1: the ability to step up and make these highlight worthy

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Speaker 1: catches and critical moments. To me, he is everything that

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Speaker 1: you one and if you don't double team him on

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Speaker 1: every play, he can hurt you. To me, that's what

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Speaker 1: a dominant number one receiver is able to do. Yeah, look,

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Speaker 1: he needs to stay healthy. I mean that would be

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Speaker 1: the only knock really against Odell Beckham. And he gets

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Speaker 1: out there for sixteen weeks or seventeen weeks, I should say, uh,

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Speaker 1: representing sixteen games with the Cleveland Browns, the numbers are

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Speaker 1: gonna be huge there with Baker Mayfield, It's uh. I

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Speaker 1: can't argue that's not a bad choice. I would go

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Speaker 1: with my choice though, and DeAndre Hopkins because with DeAndre Hopkins,

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Speaker 1: I get a little more size and physicality. UM. I

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Speaker 1: like guys on third down and in the red zone

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Speaker 1: when everybody in the whole stadium knows where the football

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Speaker 1: is going and you can't do a darn thing about it.

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Speaker 1: And that's what DeAndre Hopkins has been throughout his career. Um, somebody, gosh,

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Speaker 1: hundred fifteen catches over fifteen hundred yards eleven touchdowns last year.

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Speaker 1: Buck he finally has a quarterback in Deshaun Watson. So

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01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna see these types of numbers each and every year.

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Speaker 1: Um just knows how to do it, knows how to

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Speaker 1: get it out of breaks, create that separation at the

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Speaker 1: top of his route, catches everything, catch radius, uh, you

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Speaker 1: name it. And that's why when I go on the

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Speaker 1: on the scouting path and the fall in the spring

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Speaker 1: trying to evaluate these players. To be honestly, I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to find that next DeAndre Hopkins. I mean it's tough

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Speaker 1: because DeAndre Hopkins is unique in terms of he's not

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Speaker 1: a blazer. He's not a physically imposing guy. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: when you watch him at the top of the route,

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Speaker 1: he consistently gets separation. Some of that separation is due

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Speaker 1: to the ball being in the air he finds a

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Speaker 1: way to subtly push the defender out the way, but

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Speaker 1: his hand, at coordination, his concentration, the overall ball skills,

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Speaker 1: he consistently comes down with these spectacular plays. At some point,

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Speaker 1: you have to give him credit because he's been able

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Speaker 1: to do it with him without a franchise quarterback and

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Speaker 1: you just don't see Gus sustain his kind of production

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Speaker 1: without being a dude on the perimeter. Yeah, it's Look,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of good guys that choose from you know,

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Speaker 1: you've got Tyreek Kill, the most explosive player in the

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Speaker 1: NFL right now. Um, you know, Julio Jones, Mike Evans,

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Speaker 1: Michael Thomas has been on a terror, Davante Adams I mean,

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Speaker 1: and Tony we're talking about Antonio Brown. I mean, there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of wide receivers in the NFL right now. Um,

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Speaker 1: but man, it's uh, it's hard to argue with two.

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Speaker 1: We've got two good ones there and Odell Beckham uh

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Speaker 1: and DeAndre Hopkins. That's gonna do it for us today,

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Speaker 1: Buck on the Wide Receiver episode. Again, if you've missed

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Speaker 1: any of these episodes in the prototype series, I would

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Speaker 1: encourage you to check it out because I feel like

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Speaker 1: our goal in this series, Buck is, you know, some

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Speaker 1: people were trying to educate the audience that we're we're selfish,

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Speaker 1: we're trying to educate ourselves and and hopefully you're you're

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Speaker 1: learning something along the way here. Yeah. Man, it's been

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Speaker 1: it's been terrific. Like I just love what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: I love how this series has kind of grown. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to see what we're able to do next

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Speaker 1: and down the line. I know we're staying heavy on offense,

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Speaker 1: but man, when we get to the defense of the

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Speaker 1: ball should be Yeah, we've got some great guests. We've

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Speaker 1: already h recorded a couple of those conversations. You guys

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Speaker 1: are gonna enjoy it too, I promise, UH do us

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