1 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: Everybody good. Everybody good. You make it to the league, 2 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: you're good good, and don't he would be underestimating that ship. 3 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: But they got that. You've watched like a lot of 4 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: YouTube ship. They got like like all the I don't 5 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: even know how you would say it, like low budget 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: NBA players like people you only know if you're that hard. Yeah, yeah, 7 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: I get when they go to the gym and they 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: find people who'll be talking in the comments, what's the 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: white boy? And then he used to play for the 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: Celtics and calling the white mom and people like, oh, 11 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: you only average two minutes a game? He shucked. Now 12 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: this dude went into a gym and wiped the floor 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: with everybody like he looked like Jordan's he got, yeah, 14 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: he does. He does. Like it's a lot of dudes 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: like that in the NBA though, like so you know, 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: fan favorite, fan favorites, and then it's like if you're 17 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: a basketball nerd, it's like, yeah, this is my guy, 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: but he only average like fifteen minutes a game, like like, 19 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: oh boy, like the Celtics that just got hurt, wasn't it, 20 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: Robert Williams, It was nice this ship before he got hurt. 21 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: Everybody know Lebron and k D and you honest of course, yeah, 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: everybody know them. But oh it's cold world, man's co world. 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: Little sports is your forete. I try you know, that's 24 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: how you got in all this, right, Yeah? Yeah, yeah. 25 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: I mean I learned very quickly. I was not gonna 26 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: be an athlete. I learned very quickly. I was not 27 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: gonna be Michael Jordan's man. It took me a while 28 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: before I gave up on my athletes dreams. I got 29 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: hit one day though, at football. Praxas like I'm too 30 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm good at other stuff. See. I always wanted to 31 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: play football, And it's gonna sound dumber ship because it is. 32 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: I was always afraid of like getting hit, and then 33 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be able to get my helmet off because 34 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: I'm crostrophobic. What yeah, it was, it was. It was 35 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: the dumbest thing in the world. My mom always asked 36 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: me to guys grew up in a football family. My 37 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: grandfather was a football coach. He was like, justin why 38 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: a don't you never want to play football? I was 39 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: scared of the helmet. I was like costrophobic, and that 40 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: was the only reason. Then I was like, oh, this 41 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: ship really just come off like that. I never played 42 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: football because I always played basketball, So you missed some 43 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: great fun, man I did. I did football? Is what 44 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: you find out who really a bit at school? No, 45 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: Like I remember coming up in high school, like my 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: school had like this big robbery with Petersburg High School. 47 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: I went to the school called my Toka, and we 48 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: would all be we see each other at the ball 49 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: every weekend, and you know, at the arcade and whatnot. 50 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: And then sometimes fights will happened at the moms like, 51 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: oh yeah, we got your next Friday, We're gonna whoop 52 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: your last. We're gonna whoop your lass. You would really 53 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: see who would who would be fighting and who would 54 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: be like, you know, and now I'm a chill because 55 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: I ain't trying to I ain't trying to go across 56 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: the middle on it, dude. Oh man, that that was 57 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: the most fun. Oh man, Look you get caught across 58 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: the middle, especially when you catch the balls and then 59 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: you trump the motherfucker who trying to hit you, like 60 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: because they whole objective is to hit you. Why they 61 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: while you're not looking, So it makes it look like, 62 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's way more you're actful than it is. 63 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: But if you like, every team got that one mother 64 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: that's built like that. Oh yeah, can't nobody hit. Can't nobody? 65 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,839 Speaker 1: So as long as you identify who that is earlier. Yeah, 66 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: but it can happen at any moment. It could happen 67 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: at any moment. It could happen to anybody, like my 68 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: boys would tell me all the time, like this happened 69 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: after high school, but it was like everybody wants that 70 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: one hit, especially if you were lining back or safety 71 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: or something like that. You remember when um Sean Taylor 72 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: almost killed the punter in the Pro Bowl, Like everybody 73 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: wants that hit because I mean, now you can't really 74 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: hit like that no more. But the game has changed, 75 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: like no, Like my boy told me one time, he 76 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: got hit so hard running across the middle. He was like, tens, 77 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: I thought I was being born again. I ain't know 78 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: where I was, like, because he looked up. It was 79 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: a night game and all he saw was just like 80 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: a white light. He was like, this is either the 81 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: end or this is the beginning. I don't know which 82 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: one it is, but I have no clue. He was like, 83 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: I ain't know where I was. For the next three quarters, 84 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: he still played, which is probably which is an issue, 85 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: but you know, yeah you found out who's a bitch 86 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: and who's Yeah, you're definitely, but it's glad he had. 87 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: The sport was that you play. I played like corner 88 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: and safety and nickel and ship like that, so that 89 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: was I was just playing any position. Really, I knew that. 90 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: That's why you're still good at talking ship because you 91 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: was a DV. Yeah, I was talking ship whatever like 92 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,799 Speaker 1: I would be. I would be on the scout team 93 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: talking ship. You should keep it, keep the same, man. 94 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: I just had to be doing something because look, you 95 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: may run about me, but you ain't gonna like out 96 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: joking like I'm gonna get under your skin somehow somewhit right, 97 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: and however I'm coming. I'm coming like that every time. Exactly. 98 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: They're gonna know that you gotta earn your respect. You're 99 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: talking about like blind sad hits. That's where you really 100 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: that's where people like the dirty ship. That's where it's 101 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: really you can really put your name out there. What 102 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: will be going through your mind right before blind sad hit? 103 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Like we're talking about playing like safety 104 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: or some ship, and you see him coming on the 105 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: post and they're just looking inside. I'm just I'm landing 106 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: that ship straight up. I'm talking about a textbook tackle 107 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: straight across the body. Right, I'm going right there, like 108 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: you see this post, like you got to hit, Like 109 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: right there, I'm getting my angle together. You're trying to hit. 110 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: I'm trying to put some pad in the two to 111 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: be loud. Ka. So it's been like damn, so you said, 112 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: you said it took a minute for you to realize, like, 113 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: all right, well I ain't going to day. Yeah, what 114 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: was that day when was like, you know, I gotta retire? 115 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: It was it was Actually, this is the thing about 116 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: playing football. When you go from ninth grade to tenth grade, 117 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,799 Speaker 1: that's like from ninth grade football varsity. But you start 118 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: varsity football at the end of ninth grade, so it's 119 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: like the game a little faster. It's a lot faster. 120 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: These motherfucker's been working out three years straight. They on 121 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: creatine everything. So one day I was playing corner on 122 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: this set. Right, I was playing hunt left corner, and 123 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: the quarterback did an option where he came out to 124 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: fake the pass and took off running the other way 125 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: other set. So as I'm coming across the field. Fucking 126 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: tight end is coming across the field. Also, I'm looking 127 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: at the quarterball guy. Manu hit me and broke all 128 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: the snaps on. I was like, he was like, well, 129 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: I had a good run and I got up and 130 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: the coach was like, are you right? You know where 131 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: you the dirty man? Hey? He crashed the ship out 132 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: of me on that man, that was the one day 133 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: I was like this, ain't it bro man for me 134 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: in basketball? You remember, it was like my my basketball 135 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: career ended earlier I knew. I was like, all right, 136 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: I got a much better chance to be Stewart Scott 137 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: than Michael Jordan's after this. So you remember it was 138 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: like ninety seven when Jordan had everybody basketball and seven 139 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: everybody didn't. Yeah, I mean literally everybody played. And you know, 140 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: Jordan had the flu game. I put flu game because 141 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: I ain't never known a person to catch the flu 142 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: in June. I thoroughly believe it was the hangover here. 143 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: And to be quite honest with you, that's not a 144 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: knock on Mike. I think it's even more impressive if 145 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: you did a drunk Yeah yeah, but you're gonna come, 146 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: I mean you might catch win it is and be 147 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: like you you ain't catching win drums on the tequila. Look, man, 148 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: Vegas was a forty five minute flight from the crazy 149 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: Scotty drunk more than him than night Dennis du drunk 150 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: is one. He just didn't eat. Yeah, that's the thing 151 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: you're trying to blame. It was bad pizza. Like no, 152 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: but look, I know them yellow eyes. You ain't getting 153 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: yellow eyes. And to look, I get it in the 154 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: jail roads has has subscribed to this theory as well. 155 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: So I'm not alone and this we're not alone. We 156 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: are a party of three. It was the hangover game 157 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: and that was more impressive than the fluid Man. You 158 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: heard it here first, Michaels trunk. We're gonna put it 159 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 1: out this ship up. You tricked us his kids, We 160 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: thought it was the glob But now you really to 161 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: go because you didn't. You really to go, because you 162 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: did them drunks where you can't come down. You gotta 163 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: keep you gotta you gotta keep going because the moment 164 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: you stopped and look to Mike credit, he dropped forty 165 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: that game, he dropped forty and a must win game 166 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: on the road to too. That's how you know he 167 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: was drunk because he hugs Scott. It didn't after watching 168 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: the documentary, he don't even Scott it like that boy, 169 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: that boy. That documentary had people. It's the same way 170 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: the whole winning Time joint got people pissed. Now. Yeah, yeah, 171 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: like you're telling the truth. Man, I look that join 172 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: is mad entertaining to me. Yeah, I'll be watching. I'm like, 173 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: I get it. It's TV. It's a dramatization and I 174 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: get it. Jerry West, you don't think about it is 175 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: they didn't put enough in there. That's the thing. It's 176 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: too specific put all the ship now, you can't put 177 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: it all in that. And it's already got renewed for 178 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: a season two. So there's a lot of people watching 179 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: that joint, and I look, kareem hate it. They picked 180 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: the right team though, because it's like, yeah, they got 181 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: the showtime Lakers. Think of the team that was terrible 182 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: that year, the ship they had going on, that's who 183 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: that's the documentary. You want to the Detroit Pistons before 184 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas and all them four Mial Walkee books, the 185 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: Vancouver Grizzly. Yeah, now you're doing Ecstasy and half Time. Look, 186 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: you remember draft a big country Dog, Big Country was 187 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: the French, the Big Country. At least the jersey was fired. 188 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: But now you remember his name. Our test was he 189 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: said it himself. He used to drink Hennessey at the 190 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: half time. And I believe every single syllable he did. 191 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: Look what well I test. That's that's another one they 192 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: could do a mini series on. Like so yeah, not 193 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: that flu game. That flu game. Drunk game had me 194 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: believe and I was like, you know what, I drink gatorade. Look, 195 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: look I look. They told me I could be like 196 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: Mike if I do this. Mike played with the flu. 197 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: Damn it, I'm gonna play with the flu. So my 198 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: brother and I we shared a room growing up, and 199 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, don't tell mom. I'm cutting the fan 200 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: on and I'm cracking the window. He was like, but 201 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: it's like thirty degrees outside. But like, nah, I need 202 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: to be sick so I could play like Mike. I 203 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: got sick. I got bitch. The entire second half. I 204 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: ain't sniffed forty points. I was like, oh of eight, 205 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: I ain't even hit the rim. I was turning the 206 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: ball over and my mom was like, how did you 207 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: get so sick? I ain't say anything my brother, did 208 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: you just ain't that smart? Nah? Nah, because you thought 209 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: you would get claustrophobia away to him. Yeah, I tried 210 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: to get the flute, yeah, to play like Mike. I 211 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 1: like to think that I've wisened up a little bit 212 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: over the last twenty you know what. Let me start 213 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: this ship now black and I can't believe you. Hey man, Look, 214 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: it's a safe space. I'm just being open and honestly 215 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: like it ain't gonna always you know, work in my 216 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: favorite Hey man, the black market is open, okay, and 217 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: you do not need to flue to deep. Let me 218 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: check my sad notes and man, I got I got 219 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: some info about you. Okay, all right, let me see. Well, 220 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: well I do know this is your second book. Yeah yeah, yeah, 221 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: this's the second one uh co wrote while I wrote 222 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: the Wayne Wage photographic memoir that came out last year 223 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: photographic memoir. Yeah. But those of you who don't know 224 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: a man justin tends me in here with us today, 225 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: world right now, author commentator Renown the whole world. Yeah, 226 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: it's going to my linked in Yeah, the world right now. Yeah, 227 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: well Renown. They're saying a lot of good things about you. 228 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: He look trying to keep it that way. Plus you're 229 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: doing it for the culture. Man, you're doing it's all 230 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: the dream. You got a whole biography right here. Yeah, 231 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: definitely need that. Yeah, man, cut us up? Man, How 232 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: did you get here? It was the start. The crazy 233 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: thing is I'm almost a deleted email away from not 234 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: sitting on this on this couch with you, because it's 235 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: like fall nineteen and I'm just deleting emails, like spam 236 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: emails and ship. I get one and the subject line 237 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: says Biggie smallest biography you know, interests or something like that. 238 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, the hell is this like? And come to 239 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: find out it was from the guy who eventually became 240 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: my editor on the book. His name is Jamison, and 241 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: he works at Abram's Books out of Manhattan, and he 242 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm looking to commission somebody to write 243 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: a book on Biggie, um ahead of what would have been, 244 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: you know, his fiftieth birthday next month, and UM, I'm like, yeah, 245 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: that's cool. He was like, would you would you want 246 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: to write it? And I'm like it seems id because 247 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: everything I knew about the process is you. I come 248 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: to you with an idea and you either green lighted 249 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: or pass on it. And I wrote up a quick 250 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: pitch and he was like, yeah, we want you to 251 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: write the book. Uh sign a contract in like January, 252 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: and I'm like, deposit money that check clear. That was 253 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: the biggest check I've ever had in my life, at 254 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: least at one time, you know. And I was like, 255 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: oh man, this ship is little. I'm like, yo' I'm 256 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 1: gonna go to New York. I'm a chilling Brooklyn for 257 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. I'm gonna go to Atlantic because 258 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, he had he had ties down here. I'm 259 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: gonna go to l A. He had ties out there. 260 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just travel the country just writing a book, like, 261 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: oh man, this is like a dream. Then marched and 262 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, yeah, we all know what happened 263 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: with March and make a long story short. I just 264 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: basically had to do all my research, all my interviews 265 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: via zoom. I couldn't go anywhere um And I was 266 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: just like it was daunting at first, to be honest 267 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: with you, ghost like it's Biggie Smalls, Like it ain't 268 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: exactly some unknown musician, like everybody know Biggie smalls, and 269 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell can I say I knew 270 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: about this, dude, that would make people want to read it? 271 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: And I ain't gonna lie to you. There's plenty of 272 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: nights where I would just be like, I don't know 273 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: what the hell I'm doing, Like I gotta write a 274 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: hundred thousand words on this, and like this ship is 275 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: probably gonna suck, like I don't know, but yeah, that 276 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: that doubt, man Like, doubt is crippling, and you like, 277 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: and if you allow yourself to stay in there, it 278 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: could it could grow in your entire career. It can 279 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: mess up personal relationships, it can mess up bags. And 280 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, I like, get in the bag, So 281 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: let me figure out a way to get myself out 282 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: of this. And I did, And I mean, I'm definitely 283 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: pleased with the final product of it. Man. I think 284 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: I think people are gonna read it. And it's not 285 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: just you know, sold some drugs, made some great music, 286 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: beef with Tupac, and then died in a tragic manner, 287 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: Like sure, yeah, like to talk about to tell a 288 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: story about somebody's life, you just can't talk about that life, 289 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It ain't just like he 290 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: just jumped off a stoop and sold drugs. It's like 291 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: a fourteen, fifteen year old kid in Brooklyn. It's like 292 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: this dude was born into a ward and he didn't 293 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: even know existed, which is the War on drugs. And 294 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: like so we go back to like Richard Nixon past 295 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: passing legislation that made it easier to imprison people for 296 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: like fifteen twenty years for a small amount of drugs. 297 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: And like all of these things played into played into 298 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: like who Christopher Wallace was and who who Big eventually became. 299 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: So I try to focus more on that than imposed 300 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: to just the sellationous or the the sexy headlines, because 301 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: they're in there, but it's far more than that. So 302 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: that's dope. Man. What did it feel like seeing it 303 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: in the physical form at this point? So this ain't funny, 304 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: but it is so. And like September of last year, 305 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: they started sending me like the early versions of it, 306 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: like paperback, and so they sent me like ten copies 307 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: in like a box, and like whoever it was FedEx 308 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: and was, I can't remember who it was. They dropped 309 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: it off on my porch and I was in a 310 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: meeting and my wife. She was she was taking a 311 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: shower and like so we got like the security cameras 312 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: like on our doorbelts so you can see who was there. 313 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, yeah, you know, my books came. 314 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: So she opened the door and she was like, I 315 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: don't see a box here. I'm like, I just saw 316 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: him dropped the box off. Bro. We look on the camera. 317 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: We live in a in a in a transition the 318 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: neighborhood and nice people there. Dude came and took the 319 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: whole box, took the whole boy. I don't know what. 320 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if he thought it was like some 321 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: shoes in there, for it was like a gaming system. 322 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: I don't know who it was. So I go across 323 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: the street to my man, who he had been living 324 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood for years. He was like, yo, let 325 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: me see the video. He showed me the video, and 326 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: five minutes later I get a knock on my door 327 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: and I showed the video to another person and they 328 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: tell me who it is. Them books was gone. He 329 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: threw them books away because I was he was somebody 330 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: who used to live in the neighborhood and obviously he 331 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: had fallen on hard times. And he's a he's a 332 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: guy that like he just tries to make money however 333 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: he can. And so, you know, I was I was 334 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: pissed about it at first. I was like, damn man, 335 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: he got a chance to hold my book before I did. 336 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: But I started to learn about like his backstory, and 337 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, damn man, whatever his intentions were, I 338 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: hope he's all right, you got to write a book 339 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: about his book. Still in that yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, 340 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: I didn't have him delivered. And then when you see, 341 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: yeah he was like a book, he was like books, 342 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: this is what you're thinking about me. I'm calling September 343 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: whatever that was like put his name on them like 344 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: books still and then yeah, I shouldn't. I should have 345 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: thanked him in the liner notes. But yeah, so it 346 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: to hold it, like it's one thing to see it 347 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: like in the Google doc. That's another thing to you know, 348 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: see it, see it come back from the editor with 349 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: all the edits. But it's another thing to like hold 350 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: it in your hand. I would imagine it's like if 351 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: you're an artist and you're working on your debut album, 352 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: and especially back during the days when it was like 353 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: cassettes and CDs, you can actually hold it. That's what 354 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: I would imagine. It's the closest feeling to because it's 355 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: something that, especially your debut album, like you spend you 356 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: live your entire life creating that. And although this isn't 357 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: my life, I put a definitely I put a lot 358 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: of my life into it because I got memories of 359 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: big going as far back when I was like in 360 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: what second third grade, you know, sneaking and listening to 361 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: like the unedited version of Ready to Die and you know, 362 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: singing One More Chance, and my mom was like, what 363 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: the hell are you talking about? I'm like none, and 364 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: you know, you know, you just got memories to it. 365 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: And we're all person especially within rapping in this culture, man, 366 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: like we're all deeply connected to it because we all 367 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: got memories to it. We all got like, yo, I 368 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: remember where I was in life when this song came out. 369 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 1: I remember walking into a party in high school and 370 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: you know the girl I wanted to dance with, you know, 371 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: I danced with her to to this song. So, like, 372 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: music is way more than just sounds over a beat. Man. 373 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: It's just like it's like part of the best music 374 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: is part of your soul. On wax. And that's I 375 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: hope this is what this book is for for a 376 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: lot of people as well. What can they pick it up? Man, 377 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: you can pick it up anywhere books and sold, including 378 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: the dude who stole my early copies in my book 379 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: if you ever, if you ever know where he is 380 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: he I haven't seen them since. But they didn't know. 381 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: He wrong. You know he wrong. You have to run 382 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: up on Y need them books. I need him. He was. 383 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: He was probably pissed when we started with books too, 384 00:20:53,040 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: books right, especially not these rights exactly what he said. Um, 385 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: but no, you can get it anywhere like Amazon Books, 386 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: a million of black owned book stories. I've been trying 387 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: to push those a lot um. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, 388 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: I'm trying to push it to all of those. And 389 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: just like I tell a couple of my homeboys hit 390 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: me up. I was like, yo, justin like we want 391 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: to support, but bro, I ain't read the book since 392 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: high school. And I was like, don't worry about it. 393 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: They got audiobooks for that now they read to you. 394 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: No read the day. Look, I don't care, I don't care. 395 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: Just pre ordering, in pre order it, send it on 396 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: the coffee table. Yeah, they'll do what you gotta do, 397 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: like it ain't going nowhere. So well, there you having folks. 398 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: My man, hey world, we're now artists. Get the book. 399 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: I'm taking this one. Yeah, I'm keeping this with I 400 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: ain't gotta wake what's your social media? Man? What's your 401 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: next project you got coming up? You? Are you in 402 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: the book game now? Yeah? Yeah, I'm trying to. I 403 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: haven't haven't decided what the second book is gonna be. 404 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: I'm one of the two book contract with my current publisher, 405 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: So it's just it's a matter of thinking about what 406 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to be. I know I would I would 407 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: love to just shot at my man out with his 408 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: AI shirt, like you talking about a book. I would 409 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: love the right. I would love the right Alan Iverson's autobiog. 410 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm not to get what y'all got a book out there, 411 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's do it. Man, know what y'all 412 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: got going on here? And I'm not even just saying 413 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: it because I'm sitting on this set right now, like 414 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: this ship is mad important. Like I look at this. 415 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: It's like the same way my mom and grandma looked 416 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: at Oprah every day. A four We didn't got over them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, 417 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: this ship is that important, man, and I love everything 418 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: that y'all got going on. Y'all are so important, man, 419 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: to sit on this couch. I mean this like the 420 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,479 Speaker 1: third most popular couches, like Martin's couch is and it's 421 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: the couch from season one of the Wire. That's that's 422 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: how important it is to me. And I'm see see 423 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: we save three were good. Look, man, y'all are important, man. 424 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: And y'all just highlighting just so many parts of our community, 425 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: whether it's you know, entrepreneurs, whether it's authors, whether it's 426 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: you know whatever. The educators like y'all give people a 427 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: platform that honestly, otherwise really wouldn't have to be themselves, 428 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: you know, because we can go other places and try 429 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: to get promotion. But like man, we spent the first 430 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: what five six minutes talking about trucks thinking people in football. 431 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: I can't I can't do that everywhere, like man. And 432 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: that's what this whole platform is about, just you know, 433 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: getting some exposure inside of our community and letting people 434 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: take to what they want to take to, just to 435 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: let them know there's more options of us out there. Look, 436 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: and we we we greatly appreciate y'all, so thank you 437 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: for real. Man. Hey man, any time you've got anything 438 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: going on, stop through the black market. Hey you already know. Hey, 439 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: fare shout just intends that the black market is open. 440 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: Hold the people are unemployed men. Let's get a photo 441 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: hold on a little day