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Speaker 1: This was last Wednesday, after that radio silence. So there's

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Speaker 1: As our friend Erico Gonzalez at NBC four, Riley Crossman

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Speaker 1: And when her parents say she would never just disappear,

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Speaker 1: Syndicated talk show host Dave Mack, South Carolina medical examiner,

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Speaker 1: Straight to You, Dave Max, syndicated talk show host. Tell

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Speaker 1: me first about Riley's disappearance, then we'll analyze the clues.

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Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, that you mentioned that she was a

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Speaker 1: got the grandma. Let's just go ahead and rule her

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00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: out because statistically, the grandma killing the granddaughter, I mean,

426
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: it has happened, very very rare. Okay, there's not even

427
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: a name for that, okay, like parenticide or you know,

428
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: there's not a name for that. But okay. Then you've

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00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 1: got the children. What children? You said siblings were home?

430
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: Who are they? She's got two younger brothers and again

431
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: they're not suspicious at all. Wait a minute, let's talk

432
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: about sibling murder. You know, the big drama when John

433
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: Bana Ramsey's brother Burke was accused in the press of

434
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: killing John Bena. I said, from the get go, sibling

435
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: murder very rare. Statistically, almost never happens. And in this case,

436
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: of course Burke was totally innocent. That was a big mess.

437
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: But in this case, you've got two much younger brothers.

438
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: Highly doubtful, there's going to be a sibling murder. The

439
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: mom we think was at work, highly doubtful. The mother

440
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: kills her child. Then you've got the BF. Who is he?

441
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: Who is Andy McAuley? What do we know about him?

442
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: Dave Matt Everything we know about Andrew McCauley. Nancy, it's bad.

443
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: This is a forty one year old man without a

444
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: driver's license, who works construction. And by the way, and

445
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: these are all printing facts that it's over forty one

446
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: year old man without a driver's license, yes, ma'am, and

447
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: living with his girlfriend. I mean the children minor eleven.

448
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: I've already taken them out in the field in making

449
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: in my minivan and taught him how to drive. Okay,

450
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: this guy is forty one without a license. That must

451
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: mean he's got a DUI or something in his past.

452
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,239
Speaker 1: There's a lot in his past, Nancy, and ento, why

453
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: didn't you tell me that at the beginning? What's in

454
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: his past? He's a he's a known drug user. He's

455
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: got a lot of previous convictions for drugs, DUI and

456
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: things like that, which is why he don't he doesn't

457
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: have a license. And apparently, and well, I'm not knocking

458
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: day workers or people who are construction. They're wonderful do

459
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: a lot of great work. But that's the kind of

460
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: job either somebody built that. Okay, so to me about it,

461
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: that's why I was being clear on the construction plays

462
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: into this, okay. And this is a guy who has

463
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: a history of drug abuse, can't keep a job, doesn't

464
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: have a driver's license because of past convictions and apparently

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00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: based on his discussions without he's an habitual liar. When

466
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: this guy's talking, he's lying. So he was on the

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00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: police ray. Now wait a minute again, that could be

468
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: said of a lot of men. Dave mac Daryl co

469
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: want no offense, of course, but you know, um sorry,

470
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: but okay, never mind, I'll just let that lie. But

471
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: Jackie Howard head is spinning around like an owl, like

472
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: out of the Exorcist. What is it? What is it?

473
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: Jack you just speak up? Quit with the head spinning?

474
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: What is it? I don't understand why this woman, if

475
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: this guy is history, would be in the home. Okay,

476
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: let me throw that to Ashi Kelly. Ashi Kelly, you're

477
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: the licensed clinical social worker. Why if you know the

478
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: guy's history, would you have him around your children. That's

479
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: an excellent question, Nancy. Unfortunately, a lot of times dating relationships,

480
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: people will look past that, thinking that people can change,

481
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, behavioral patterns tend to repeat themselves, and that

482
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: is absolutely a concern that he was in the home

483
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 1: with children. Let me just tell you my armchair psychologist opinion,

484
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: do you need a man that much? Do you really

485
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: tell me what do you know, Dave mac about the texting.

486
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know that there was an eleven oh one

487
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: text Nancy from her to her boyfriend the night before.

488
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: Tell me about that, all right? You know, as we

489
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 1: identified earlier that she had a video chat with her

490
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: boyfriend at ten thirty, well, the police mentioned multiple text

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00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: messages between eleven and midnight. All right. At eleven oh one,

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00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,479
Speaker 1: Riley sent a text to her boyfriend saying that Andy

493
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: Andrew McCauley was in her room. About fifteen minutes later,

494
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: she says, Andy is in my room and I'm scared.

495
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: She didn't like Andy, and Andy was apparently in her

496
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: room when mom, Mom, remember it comes home at ten

497
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: thanks to Riley's asleep in bed, and he's asleep in

498
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: the recliner. Now Here we are at eleven and eleven fifteen,

499
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: Andy is in her room. Riley is supposedly in bed,

500
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: and here's Andy, the living drug boyfriend, and he's in

501
00:28:54,240 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: the room and she's scared. Crime stories with Nancy Grace,

502
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: the discovery of this little girl's body rocking the whole community,

503
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: and now cops have their sights set on Mom's live

504
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: in Andy mcaulay. We've learned from Dave Mack talk show

505
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: host that he had quite a record and the timeline

506
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: very very disturbing because apparently whatever happened to Riley happened

507
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: after mom is home. Karen Smith, forensics expert, would you

508
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: agree with that? Yes, I would. If he is in

509
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: that bedroom and she's texting her boyfriend that she is

510
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: afraid of him. This is the first place police went.

511
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 1: They had him on their radar from day one. They

512
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: knew this was a bad guy. And those text messages

513
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: sent chills down my spine. Nancy, when you read those,

514
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, now you have a crime scene, you have

515
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: a body found down. And give me those clothes. Give

516
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: me her clothes to look for trace evidence, to look

517
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: for DNA, to look for hairs, fibers and any other

518
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: evidence that were evident on her clothing. And I'm telling

519
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: you right now, I will work that back and it

520
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: will link directly to Andy McCauley every single time. You know,

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00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: I'm very very curious back to you, Dave Mac. Police

522
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: are now saying that Andy McCauley to live in boyfriend

523
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: was a suspect from day one in her disappearance. What

524
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: was it about him that made police suspicious? Because right away, Nancy,

525
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: he talked about his drug use and lied about it.

526
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: He actually lied and contradicted himself in his very first

527
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: interview with police. So imagine you've got a family home

528
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: where you've got to live in, boyfriend with an active

529
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: drug problem, drug charges. He claimed he didn't drive, but

530
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: we've got evidence of him driving a green Dodge pickup

531
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: truck with ladders on it at the construction site, Dave

532
00:30:54,600 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: mac Isn't it true that we learn McCauley called Crossman

533
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: multiple times in the early morning hours and blocked his

534
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: phone number. We also learned that McAuley Andy McCauley moms

535
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: live in calls her Riley at three am, three thirty

536
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: four am, and three fifty two am. Dave, Matt what's

537
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: behind his early morning phone calls? What's that all about?

538
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know Nancy other than the fact

539
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: that he is. Obviously she's afraid of him, as we

540
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: know from the previous night's text, you know, to her

541
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: boyfriend at seventeen at night, Andy's in my room and

542
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm afraid. So apparently she's able to get him out

543
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: of the room somehow. Again, remember her mom is at

544
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: home and in bed, she gets him out of the room,

545
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: and now he's trying to call her, but he's blocking

546
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: his numbers so she will hopefully answer. She won't answer,

547
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: and we don't know. We just know that's the timeline

548
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: we have of contacts on her phone, but she's not

549
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: answering those calls. I think it's highly unusual. Let's just

550
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: look at the facts, Daryl Cohen, you're the defense attorney,

551
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: and I know in your mind you're going to say,

552
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: prove nothing. But for a live in boyfriend, a dad

553
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: figure to be calling his girlfriend's daughter, teen girl at

554
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: three thirty in the morning, to be blocking his number

555
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: to call her, calling her repeatedly, it sounds like something

556
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: happened in her room, like a molestation happened that night,

557
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: and he's trying to call her to get her not

558
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: to tell the mom. That's very very possibly what could

559
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: have happened. It also could be and he knew something

560
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: has happened to her that he has perpetrated, and he's

561
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 1: calling her to see if she's alive, to see if

562
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: she will answer the phone, but he certainly doesn't want

563
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: her to know it's him, so he blots it. He

564
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: tries to make it as if, Hey, I'm just checking

565
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: on here. Everything okay, So why would he be checking

566
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: on her at three to thirty in the morning. Take

567
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: a listen to this. After a week of searching, Riley's

568
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: body was found about thirty miles away from her home

569
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: here in Berkeley Springs. The Morgan County Sheriff has charged

570
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: forty one year old Andy McCauley for Riley's Murder's boyfriend

571
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: of her mother and was a person of interest since

572
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: she first disappeared, But investigators have not yet released a motive.

573
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: That's from our friends at Fox five to Daryl Cohen.

574
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: It will bite the cops in the neck when it

575
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: comes out at trial that they zeroed in on him

576
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: day one. Now, will that preclude a guilty verdict? Probably not.

577
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: Why is that a problem for them to come out

578
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: and say that at the beginning, So, Nancy, let's fast forward.

579
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: We're at trial and the defense argues he was a

580
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: suspect from the very beginning. He wasn't just a person

581
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: of interest. He was a suspect, and all other suspects

582
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: were immediately ignored. They just said, we've got what we're

583
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: looking for, and we're going to go for him. Well,

584
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: that's a problem unless law enforcement can show that, yes,

585
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: he was remaining their person of interest, remained their suspect

586
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: that they did not exclude anyone else, whether it's the grandmother,

587
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: whether it's co workers, whether it's neighbors, whether it's even

588
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: a possible school, but who may have done her in

589
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: Todave Matt, let me ask you, this are the charges

590
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: against Andy McCauley gonna stick. What's the evidence against him.

591
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: I've got to have more than weird phone calls at

592
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: three am. There's a lot of information. Of course, you know,

593
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: immediately the police interviewed Andy McCauley and he began lying immediately.

594
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: They were able to track his movements from that morning

595
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: when he goes to work at the construction site. Then

596
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: they're able to track him when he leaves the construction

597
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: site because there's video surveillance and things like that. The

598
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: police did amazing work on compiling What do you mean

599
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: they tracked him. They got Andy McCauley in the green

600
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: Dodge pickup truck with two big ladders going down the site.

601
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: They've got him on surveillance video leaving the neighborhood. They've got,

602
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, the cameras they use on interstates and things

603
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: like that. They've got him on that going down a

604
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: specific route back to the home in Berkeley Spring. Then okay,

605
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: so so far. Wait a minute, you've told me nothing suspicious.

606
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: They've got him on video going back to the home

607
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: and leaving the construction site. Why does that tie him

608
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: into a murder that makes no sense. He lied about everything.

609
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: He lied about the direction, he lied about how long

610
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: he was gone, He lied about driving the truck, He

611
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: lied about the direction that he came back to the

612
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: construction site. And there was physical evidence in the back

613
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: of that pickup truck that they used cadaver dogs to find. Okay,

614
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: let's talk about that. Let's talk about the Which way

615
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: you drive means nothing to me unless you're leaving the

616
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: crime scene or going to it. And I didn't hear

617
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: that from you. So let me repeat my question, Dave

618
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: matt what is the evidence against him? Andy mccaulluy left

619
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: the construction site one and drove directly back to the home.

620
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: When he drove from the home back to the construction site,

621
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: he took a totally different route that actually took him

622
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: right by where they found the body, and it was

623
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: not the quickest route also not the route that he

624
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: claimed he took. So he's lying about everywhere he's going

625
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: and the only thing they can track him with is

626
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: that he's going back to the home where the car was.

627
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: His truck was seen in the driveway back then, and

628
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: then they tracked him to the location of where the

629
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: body was later found, and he still says he went

630
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: a different direction. And then he claims he goes straight

631
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: back home. Its only gone for an hour and a half,

632
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: but in fact he's gone for four hours and forty minutes,

633
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: and he goes way out of his way in an

634
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: area where they found the bottom line, he disappears for

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Speaker 1: a big chunk of time, and they've tracked him too

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Speaker 1: near where the body is too. Karen Smith, forensics expert,

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Speaker 1: founder of Beer Bones Consulting, What can you tell me

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Speaker 1: about dry wall mud having a lime in it? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: it's got lime and has all kinds of compounds in it.

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Speaker 1: And it was in the back of that pickup truck.

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Speaker 1: Apparently a five gallon bucket had spilled and it had

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Speaker 1: spilled in the back of that truck. And when they

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Speaker 1: were covered Riley's body, there were traces of that drywall

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Speaker 1: on her clothing. What did I tell you give me

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Speaker 1: her clothing. You take samples of the drywall mud from

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Speaker 1: her clothes, you take samples from the truck, and you

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Speaker 1: run that through GCMs or gas chromatography and mass spectrometry,

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Speaker 1: which breaks down the molecular stuff. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Not

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Speaker 1: everybody knows about mass speck. Okay, it's what she's talking about.

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Speaker 1: It's what is used to determine drug compounds. It's a

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Speaker 1: chemical breakdown in regular talk. They're going to compare the

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Speaker 1: particles on her clothing, the drywall mud with lime in

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Speaker 1: it found in his pickup bed to her clothing, and

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Speaker 1: they can determine if it's the same lot, the same

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Speaker 1: bat to the same everything. Speaking of evidence against him,

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Speaker 1: Karen Smith, what else do we know? Dave Back had

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Speaker 1: mentioned cadaver dogs tracing to the truck. That's huge. Those

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Speaker 1: dogs are trained to sniff out human decomposition and nothing else.

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Speaker 1: They traced that truck and said that a human body

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Speaker 1: that was diseased had been in that truck. So now

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Speaker 1: you have the timeline, you have his motions, you have

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Speaker 1: the video surveillance showing the truck going to the area

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Speaker 1: where her body was found. You have the decomposition from

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Speaker 1: the cadaver dogs. You have the drywall on her clothing,

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Speaker 1: the drywall on the back of the truck. Every single

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Speaker 1: time that hypothis has circled right back around to Andy mcaulay.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to have a problem at

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Speaker 1: Dwal at all, Nancy. This drywall mud, which is used

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Speaker 1: to repair holes in walls, splattered in the bed of

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Speaker 1: the truck underneath the utility box also carried the scent

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Speaker 1: of a dead body. And again her body had drywall

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Speaker 1: mud on the shoulder of the body, on her foot,

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Speaker 1: and on her clothes. We wait as justice unfolds. Andy

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Speaker 1: McCaulay moms live in now charged in the murder of

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Speaker 1: her teen girl, Riley Crossman. If you have information three

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Speaker 1: zero four two five eight one zero six seven repeat

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off, good Bye friend,