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Speaker 1: welcome in to the Monday Morning Podcast. Aaron Torres is,

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Speaker 1: you know, in my opinion, as good as anybody covering

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Speaker 1: college basketball today. He's got the Aeron Torres Podcast. He

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Speaker 1: the sport. And we've got blue bloods. We got Duke

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Speaker 1: me into my opening thoughts. Whenever you watch March Badness,

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Speaker 1: great this is? Why can't you do this in college

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Speaker 1: football a twenty four team playoff because you don't want

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Speaker 1: Alabama playing the twenty fourth best team in the country. Now,

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Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. Look at Saint Peter's yet

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Speaker 1: what about him? They got crushed by Carolina. You do

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Speaker 1: realize basketball and football are completely different. Let's examine too,

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Speaker 1: So in college football, you have to stay in the

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Speaker 1: they face the traditional powers, there is no age advantage.

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Speaker 1: If there is, it's slight. Yesabama Georgia have some guys

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Speaker 1: But in college basketball it's completely different. For these teams

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Speaker 1: So you can get junior and senior dominated teams all

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Speaker 1: throughout college basketball. What's that mean? Twenty two twenty three

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Speaker 1: The powers in college basketball, unlike college football, they're best

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Speaker 1: They're just forming chemistry, so it's very possible. Oftentimes you're

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Speaker 1: of college basketball's March Madness because you get veteran Leiden teams,

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Speaker 1: perhaps not with NBA players, but twenty three year olds

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Speaker 1: the little guys in college basketball. If you took that out,

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Speaker 1: you'd have virtually no upsets in college basketball, and even then,

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Speaker 1: the last five champs I believe, have a number one seeds.

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Speaker 1: But in college football, you see when Cincinnati plays Alabama,

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Speaker 1: around the NBA. Lebron is the rare player that works everywhere.

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Speaker 1: several years. Christian Poulisic is head and shoulders above every

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Speaker 1: a U kind of lum. They beat Yukon and I

426
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Speaker 1: did the joking text of I might just auto advance

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Speaker 1: them to the final four in my bracket. Yeah, I

428
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Speaker 1: don't even need to see a bracket, right, And then

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Speaker 1: the bracket comes out and Colin, I know you like Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: I like Tennessee for the record, not here to criticize.

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Speaker 1: I loved Arizona. I saw them in person twice. I said,

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Speaker 1: that's the most talented team in the country. And then, oh,

433
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Speaker 1: by the way, we got to the sweet sixteen, and

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Speaker 1: you just referenced Houston and They're so big and they're

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Speaker 1: so athletic in there. So I mean, just in that region,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about three teams that we spent the last

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Speaker 1: two weeks talking about. Is Arizona the most talented team?

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Speaker 1: Tennessee's the hottest team coming in Houston? Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: Kelvin Sampson, how is he doing it at this school

440
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: that's been off the radar for thirty years. So just

441
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Speaker 1: in that region, just to get to a final four,

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Speaker 1: there were three teams that throughout this tournament everybody was

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Speaker 1: talking about. So I think that pretty much encapsulates exactly

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about in a nutshell there. Well, I

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Speaker 1: have confirmation bias because I saw Tennessee. They beat Kentucky twice.

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Speaker 1: I watched one of the games. I watched them like

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Speaker 1: three times. They were great. Every time I saw him,

448
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: they were great. I watched Kansas twice, they didn't do

449
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: a thing for me. I watched the Arizona two or

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Speaker 1: three times. They were unbelievable. I see. I saw them

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Speaker 1: at home beat UCLA. I think they beat him about

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Speaker 1: fifteen at home. So again, you watch all the games.

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Speaker 1: I don't, and I can be lulled to sleep. So

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Speaker 1: you know Carolina when I would turn on a game

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Speaker 1: in the regular season and I was like, eh, but

456
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Speaker 1: it's it's funny. Hubert Davis was known as a really

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Speaker 1: classy player, kind of elegant family guy. He gets the

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Speaker 1: job and it's you know, I follow stuff on Twitter

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, what while the pushback like he's got

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Speaker 1: NBA connections, very respectful. I mean, he's not selling himself.

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Speaker 1: And here they've done it. He's pivoted. He's pivoted, and

462
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: you watch him and you're like, of all these teams,

463
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Speaker 1: I think, what are they? An eight seed? They're the

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Speaker 1: one that shocks us. But I think I'm more interested.

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Speaker 1: What is it about Hubert Davis? Was he considered a

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Speaker 1: reach as a higher Well why does he get pushback? Yeah? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think really to me, and I'll say this and

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Speaker 1: I said it all year, is that there are those

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Speaker 1: those few jobs that and it goes back to the

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Speaker 1: book that you mentioned. I mean I remember asking John Caliperry.

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Speaker 1: You know, this was when John Caliperry was hotter than

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Speaker 1: he is right now. But you know you had it

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Speaker 1: rolling at Memphis. Why why why leave Memphis? You made

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Speaker 1: a Final four there, Crows this that the other thing.

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Speaker 1: And he said to me, said, when Kentucky calls, you

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Speaker 1: pick up the phone and you don't say no. And

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Speaker 1: so I've used that analogy many times with Hubert Davis

478
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Speaker 1: in the sense that Roy Williams retires late in the spring.

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Speaker 1: And I think, truthfully, Roy Williams retired at the time

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Speaker 1: that he did on the calendar to make sure that

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Speaker 1: his guy got the job. But I think there was

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Speaker 1: a big contingent of people that wanted to see North

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Speaker 1: Carolina go out and do the national search and throw

484
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Speaker 1: a bunch of money at a lot of big names,

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Speaker 1: and maybe one of them would take it, maybe one

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Speaker 1: of them wouldn't have because like it's fun, right, Like

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Speaker 1: the Lincoln Riley stuff was awesome. It was eight days

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Speaker 1: of content when the Oklahoma coach leaves for USC, or

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Speaker 1: the notre name coach Brian Kelly leaves for LSU. And

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Speaker 1: so I think because North Carolina is such a big brand,

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Speaker 1: I think there was this thought that when the job opens,

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Speaker 1: it can't just hand it off to the next guy,

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Speaker 1: and they did, and so I think that was a

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Speaker 1: little bit of the pushback, and especially when it happened

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Speaker 1: right coach k retires in June. That's a lot Dano.

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Speaker 1: By the way, he's not retiring for a year and

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Speaker 1: a half, so that's a little bit different than it's April.

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Speaker 1: The coaching kind of stuff is already happening in the

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Speaker 1: midst right there. Can you make a call or two

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Speaker 1: to one or two with a big name, see if

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Speaker 1: you can get somebody to budgee, if you can get

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Speaker 1: somebody to do what John Calipari says and ultimately don't

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Speaker 1: say no in the way that he didn't say no

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Speaker 1: to Kentucky, you don't say no to Carolina. So that

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Speaker 1: to me is I think why the biggest pushback was

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Speaker 1: with Hubert Davis. They didn't play well early either. You know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of bad, really frankly defensive efforts. You go

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Speaker 1: back and look at the box scores, I mean ninety

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00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: plus points to Wake for as to Kentucky and Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: They played all these teams early get destroyed. But he

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Speaker 1: figured it out. It goes. It seems to be the

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Speaker 1: theme of this tournament. The theme of our conversation is

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Speaker 1: that the teams that were great early might not be

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Speaker 1: great late. The teams that weren't great early are starting

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Speaker 1: to figure it out. And so I think they're the

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Speaker 1: greatest there maybe the best example of that in this tournament.

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Speaker 1: Two teams that disappointed, Let's start with Gonzaga. So the

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Speaker 1: last several years, let's take the last two. It's not

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Speaker 1: that they've lost, it's the way they've lost. I feel

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Speaker 1: like they get out physical and pushed around a little.

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Speaker 1: Now they do a good job Mark Feud does. To

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Speaker 1: get out of conference. They go to Hawaii, they'll go

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Speaker 1: to the major you know, they'll play the Dukes and

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Speaker 1: the Kansas whoever. And then they go not that they

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Speaker 1: put it on cruise control, but they win regularly. By

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Speaker 1: twenty five, the Pepperdine, San Diegos, Loyola, you know, it

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Speaker 1: sounds like places where you'd want to go vacation. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think of that conference. The WCC as the

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Speaker 1: gauntlet of you know, the ACC or the Big twelve

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Speaker 1: this year which was outstanding. The SEC this year was outstanding.

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Speaker 1: So and then they get into the tournament and the

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Speaker 1: first couple of games, because they're a one seed, they

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Speaker 1: cruised through it. And I said the other day, because

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Speaker 1: they don't have football, they're probably not going to go

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Speaker 1: to another conference, but should they tweak their recruiting that

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Speaker 1: they've got a very They're very finesse and very clever offensively.

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Speaker 1: I never worry about that into the floor, but Baylor

538
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 1: pushed him around last year, UCLA pushed him around. Arkansas

539
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Speaker 1: want a lot of the fifty fifty balls, And I think,

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Speaker 1: do they need to tweak their recruiting or am I

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Speaker 1: overreacting to a tough loss to a good team? No?

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Speaker 1: I think you know, when I think about Gonzaga, what

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Speaker 1: I would say is people always say they're overrated the program.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe the programs overrated. When I go back

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Speaker 1: to or do I yeah, like what I keep going

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Speaker 1: back to. They got destroyed by Baylor. I'm not defending that,

547
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Speaker 1: but there was last year one team in that tournament

548
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Speaker 1: that was better than them, And we've all watched the

549
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: tournament forever. Rarely do you do you get the two

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Speaker 1: best teams at the end of the season, and you know,

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Speaker 1: if Baylor is a twisted ankle or a bad foul

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00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: call away. Can Zacho wins last year and so it's

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Speaker 1: hard for me to be overly critical of Mark Few

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Speaker 1: or the program when they've been a two title games

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Speaker 1: in the last four or five years, and again they

556
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: were clearly the second. Like they go back and look

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00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: at the box scores they beat in the Elite eighth

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00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: they won by I think twenty points against USC with

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Speaker 1: Evan Mobley last year. So I don't believe they're overrated

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Speaker 1: as a program. I thought this year I thought maybe

561
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: they were a little bit overrated as a team. And

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Speaker 1: I did too. I didn't loved I didn't love this team.

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Speaker 1: First of all, chet Holmgren. I think it took them

564
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Speaker 1: time to figure out what the hell how to use him.

565
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Speaker 1: You know, seriously, I think he's really skilled. I don't

566
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Speaker 1: know how he's gonna pivot to the NBA. But I

567
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Speaker 1: even against Arkansas, I'm like, do they know exactly? I mean,

568
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: it's hard, right, you get these kids, their top recruits.

569
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Speaker 1: You don't want to coddle them, you want, but you

570
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: know they're really gifted. I didn't love them all year. No,

571
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Speaker 1: I didn't either, and so yeah, so and I think,

572
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Speaker 1: like what I've said is, the conference doesn't help. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think it hurts as much as people think.

574
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Speaker 1: But this year is the year that I thought it

575
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Speaker 1: hurt because I do think in a normal conference, they'd be,

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Speaker 1: what Duke was, what whoever was, They'd be twenty four

577
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Speaker 1: and eight and we'd be talking about him as a

578
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Speaker 1: two seed and we'd say, Okay, they're good, but they

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Speaker 1: have but they just they didn't play good enough competition

580
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: in the season because the conference just doesn't give them

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00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: those challenges. So I'll be curious to see what they

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Speaker 1: do going forward. Because Tommy Lloyd, that assistant coach that's

583
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Speaker 1: now the head coach in Arizona. You know, it's a

584
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: little cliche, but he was the international guru. He was

585
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: the guy that really brought in all those guys. Turiyoffs

586
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: a Bonus, who's playing well in the NBA, Ruy Hatchamura,

587
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: who's playing And so do they go more American? Do

588
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: they try to stick international? And you know, I hate

589
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: to say it, but we all know the American kind

590
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: of system and culture is kind of different. You want

591
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: to get out of school faster. It's the reality of

592
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: the situation. So I'm genuinely curious. You asked about recruiting.

593
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely curious just to see what the next three

594
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Speaker 1: to five years for them looks like because I think

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Speaker 1: as Tommy Lloyd is out again, the new Arizona coach

596
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: or the now Arizona coach for a year. I think

597
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: that international influence is going to Wayne. And how do

598
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: they recruit where do they recruit? One thing, they've done

599
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: really well developed players in their program, third fourth year players.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, Mark Fu, you know, maybe

601
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Speaker 1: you can get him on the phone and get me

602
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: some insight because I'm just curious how he envisions where

603
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Speaker 1: he wants this program to go over the next four

604
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Speaker 1: to five years. So another disappointing team was Kentucky. Now

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Speaker 1: we know now they to a pretty darn good team,

606
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Speaker 1: but I'll throw this at you. So he Calipari really

607
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: jumped on the one and done and had like a

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Speaker 1: three to four to five year jump on everybody. Then

609
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: Duke started getting beat by one and done. Teams said,

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Speaker 1: let's get into it. I would argue, Now they're beating

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Speaker 1: Kentucky at their own game. So he's not getting quite

612
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: as many still getting first or second best recruiting class,

613
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: but he's not. It felt like for four to five

614
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: years he wanted to me got him. Okay, now he's

615
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: losing some. Now we have the transfer portal, so now

616
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: you've got an even more transitional sport, and does he

617
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 1: need to tweak that a little? And again, they're winning

618
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Speaker 1: twenty eight games a year. This is let's not go overboard.

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Speaker 1: But they haven't been to the Final four since let

620
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: me look it up here, twenty fifteen. So that's for Kentucky.

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00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: That's like Alabama not getting to the playoff for three

622
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: or four years. Like that's a stretch, right, So do

623
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: they have to tweak well. The problem for Calipari is,

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00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: you know, he tweaked a lot this year. I mean

625
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: this year he went super hard in the portal and

626
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: part of it was it was COVID You couldn't get

627
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: out to see players last year, all that stuff. So

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00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: he brings in four or five guys, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's really why Kentucky fans are frustrated. And I know

630
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: that certain fan bases get bad reputations and all that,

631
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: but I understand their frustrations because, yeah, four or five years,

632
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: probably closer to eight or nine, every time something bad happened,

633
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: we're young. Be patient, give us times it's gonna be okay.

634
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: And when you lose, it's we're the youngest team in

635
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Speaker 1: the country. What are you gonna do well this year?

636
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Speaker 1: He had one of the oldest teams of the country

637
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: and he loses in the first round, and you know

638
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: what he did. I don't know if he saw this calle.

639
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: He goes to the podium and he goes, well, none

640
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: of these guys have been here before. What did you want?

641
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: It's like how many guys on Saint Peter's had played

642
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: at the NCAA Tournament before that night, And so, you know,

643
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't that to me is I think the most

644
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: interesting kind of maybe topic in college basketball right now.

645
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: I think Kenzaga is right there as well, is what

646
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: does he do? Because I think he's at a point

647
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: now and I've said this and I truly believe it.

648
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: I don't think there is anything that John Calipari can

649
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: do to win back the majority of his fan base

650
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: until the twenty twenty three NCAA Tournament. You know, I

651
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: heard you kind of talk about the recruiting. They've They've

652
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: they've signed every five star there is to sign, They've

653
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: gotten the best players out of the portal. Now. He

654
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: shook up the coaching staff last year and it all

655
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: resulted in a first round loss to a fifteen seed

656
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: who admittedly is better than we thought but it doesn't

657
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: change the fact that you lost to a f I

658
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: don't think there's anything he can do until next year's

659
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: NCAA tournament to win back the majority of the fan base.

660
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: I truly believe it, I really do. Yeah, Listen, he's

661
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: a good salesman, and I think his ability to fend

662
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: off Kentucky fans in these disappointing years it illustrates his

663
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: ability to He's a salesman, and that is often seen

664
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: as a negative. But he can sell players, he can

665
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: sell media, he can sell fan base. He can be

666
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: confrontational and argue back. You know, he's not passive aggressive.

667
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: If he something, he'll say it it was. He was

668
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: feisty when he was an assistant, you know. I mean

669
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: that's his that's his reputation. He's a feisty guy with everybody.

670
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: And but you know, listen, it's when you're great, expectations

671
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: are high. You know, the New York match will put

672
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: a wild card banner. The Yankees don't in their stadium.

673
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just the reality of Kentucky basketball. And

674
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: that's what and that's part of the frustration that I

675
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: get is you know, some people say, oh, you know,

676
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 1: he's all these elade aids, a couple of final fours.

677
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: I get all that. He's also paid eight point five

678
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: million dollars a year Like this isn't you know, this

679
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: isn't a little league baseball. He's doing it out of

680
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: the goodness of his heart, like he's cashing a big

681
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: check at the end of every season. And so well,

682
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: I'll be curious to see what happens. Um, you know.

683
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna have talented players no matter what. Um.

684
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: It's just it's fascinating, and I think, like I said,

685
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: the fan base, I believe has the right to be

686
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: frustrated you missed the tournament last year. It's COVID whatever,

687
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: who cares. Oh, by the way, Duke missed the tournament

688
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: last year. They've once back pretty nicely this year. And

689
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: as you said, they did bounce back nicely for most

690
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: of the regular season, but it fell apart with that

691
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,480
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698
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: I don't know why I instinctively think this every time,

699
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: every time Duke has a great run. I know it

700
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: must eat away at Calapari because I think, listen, he

701
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: took a shot at Duke in their recruiting, their one

702
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: and done stuff, saying, you know, they say we'll take

703
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: care of her for life, and he's like, you know,

704
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: we don't sell that stuff. And my takeaways it's recruiting.

705
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: You do whatever you gotta do. You just show the

706
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: kid more love if that's the way Duke shows the love.

707
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: But I do think because I think we understand Duke

708
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: is a you know, private small academically, you know, I

709
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: understand athletes can take classes. But I think instinctively, I

710
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: think Kentucky should be better than Duke, right, like Kentucky

711
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: should be better than Duke. The revenue, the arena is bigger.

712
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: You know, they recruit in the South, big that they

713
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: are the name in the South or is that unfair?

714
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: And that Duke, because they're so prestigious, should be the

715
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: best team in college basketball. Well, Duke has the thirty

716
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: year track record of the same guy in that seat.

717
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: And now, you know, I mean coach K. You can

718
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: say what you want about him, but what five national championships?

719
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: That the other thing that Coach K did a great

720
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: job of selling probably about seven eight years ago, all

721
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: those Olympic gold medals. Oh yeah, I coach Kobe, I

722
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: coach Lebron, I coach Katie. You know, there's no there's

723
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: no high school player that there is an AC comp

724
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: to in you know, Coach K's rolodex. So you know,

725
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: are they supposed to be better? I don't know. What

726
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: I would say is definitively, they're not supposed to be

727
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: losing to Saint Peter's. And it's like you said, you know,

728
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Speaker 1: seven years, so Final four twenty fifteen, that's seven years.

729
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: One year there's a COVID season, there's no tournament played,

730
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: so really the last six tournaments. What I would say

731
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: is this, so actually I think you'll like this, Colin.

732
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw me say this the

733
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Speaker 1: other day, but right now, to me, they are the

734
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys of college football college basketball, and it's because

735
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: they win in the regular season. They win enough where

736
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: you can't really like just clean house and start over,

737
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: but they don't win the games that matter. And that's

738
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: to me where I think Kentucky and Kentucky fans would say, oh,

739
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: you know, the Cowboys haven't won a World super Bowl

740
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: since blah blah blah. But I bring it up because

741
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: where Kentucky is now is I don't think their fans

742
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: are national championship or bust. If they got to an

743
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: Elite eight and they lost to UCLA or Baylor, or

744
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: they got to a Final four and lost to Kansas

745
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: or North, they'd be frustrated. But you can't lose to

746
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: Saint Peter's. And it's like I said, with the Cowboys,

747
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: you can lose in the playoffs. You can't lose because

748
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: Dak doesn't know when to spike the ball and when

749
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: to go and you're running up field and it's you know,

750
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: And that to me is where we are with Kentucky.

751
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: I don't I really don't believe that the fan base

752
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: is if we don't win a national title, fire everybody.

753
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: That's not what it's about. But you can't lose to

754
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: Saint Peter's as a fifteen seed. And again, by the way,

755
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: in a season where Duke is in a final four,

756
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: Kansas is in a final four, all those that have

757
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: all the advantages that you do, they're in the final four,

758
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: Elite eight. You're at home because Saint Peter's beat you.

759
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: So finally, listen, college officiating isn't great. And one of

760
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: the reasons is because in college football you have one

761
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one programs or one hundred thirty college

762
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: basketball you have like three fifty. It's a math equation.

763
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: You need three referees, right, and there's three hundred and

764
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: fifty grams. It's the numbers. The NBA only has seventy refs.

765
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: They work them hard. They're all well compensated. I think

766
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: you'll make almost two grand a year your first year

767
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: in the NBA, five fifty or more with some comps

768
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: once you're a senior official. So the NBA very small,

769
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: highly compensated group of mostly veteran officials. In college basketball,

770
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: you get some young guys. It's hard to find him.

771
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: You know, these guys are hustlers. Now, an SEC ref

772
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: can make one hundred and seventy five two hundred a year,

773
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: no question. Those guys are hustlers, right, So I have this.

774
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: I was talking to a friend about this. I said,

775
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: I wonder if you could do this. You have twelve

776
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: to fifteen full time college basketball officials. That's it paid

777
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: for with the NCAA. You put one in every Power

778
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: five conference. Three guys, three people, pack twelve Big twelve,

779
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: Big ten, acc SEC and they do the big TV games.

780
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: So the stuff going out to the public, it's the

781
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: number one crew. Then the tournament comes, those guys again

782
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: get the big dog seats, and it sounds maybe idealistic.

783
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: I don't think referees altered this tournament, but there are

784
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: times that aesthetically it's just bad optics. The NFL preseason,

785
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: it's just bad optics. There's nobody in the stands Baseball

786
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,479
Speaker 1: in April, so I've said cut some games out. Start

787
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: in May. There's like rainouts for thirty days. And I

788
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: do think college basketball officiating that first weekend, all those teams,

789
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: it's just hard. You got you got so many teams.

790
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: Is it something they're concerned about or is this just

791
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: me pie in the sky or do they look and say,

792
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: you know, we got to get a little cleaner in

793
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: these big TV moments. Oh yeah, I mean I think anytime.

794
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: And the thing is too, I mean, the most prominent

795
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: voices in this sport. I mean, I hate to say it,

796
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: you can't watch a game that Jay Billis is calling

797
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: without Jay Billis. I'll be polite. He gets a little

798
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: f straighted it at the time. So I don't think

799
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: it's good. I think the biggest thing, Colin, I don't

800
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: think people realize this. As you said, they're independent contractors.

801
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean, some of these guys and girls, they'll work

802
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: five games a week, like four games a week. They'll

803
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: be in Snyracus on a Tuesday, you know, get on

804
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: a flight and be at NC State that night. You know.

805
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: And they're fifty sixty forty five year old people. And

806
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with it. Make a living, do what

807
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: you gotta do. But you know, I don't have all

808
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: the answers, and I do think sometimes it's a little

809
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 1: bit overblown. Like you know, most of these games, I'm

810
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: trying to think off the top of my head. But

811
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: the right team won, the better team won, due seat whoever,

812
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: because Duke is the best team right now as we speak.

813
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: But I do think it's just it is tough with

814
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: the block charge. It is tough with just the inconsistency,

815
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: and it is like it is kind of I don't

816
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: know if funny is the right word. I kind of

817
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: feel bad. But there's been two or three times where

818
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: they've had to bring in Jane Stare toward the rules

819
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: expert there and I don't know him at all, so

820
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, but but he's based. They had to say, yeah,

821
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of missed that one on the

822
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: cord and you feel bad for him. It's like, you know,

823
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: these are his friends and colleagues and things like that.

824
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: So I do think there's an optical thing. I think like,

825
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: here's the thing though, right is like everything else with

826
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: the NCAA, there's no leadership. And so because there's no

827
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: leadership because there's no one at the top. And it's

828
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: the same with the transfer Portland, it's the same with

829
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: n i L. It's the same with every major problem

830
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: in college sports right now is who do you go to?

831
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: Who wants to make those decisions, who wants to put

832
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: the plan together? Who rubber stamps it? And so that's

833
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: the unfortunate part. I love college sports. I love college basketball,

834
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: but this is where we are with college sports right

835
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: now is there's no leadership at the top at the

836
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: ends DAA. There's no leadership at the top with Indianapolis,

837
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: and until it gets there, I don't I don't see

838
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: very much changing it really don't. All right, give me

839
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: next weekend's matchups. Who you like and why? Well? You know,

840
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 1: Villanova Kansas is the early game. It's hard for me

841
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: to pick Villanova. Not because I don't love Jay Wright.

842
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: I think he's unbelievab, but they just lost their second

843
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: best player right before we started recording. Here we find

844
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: out there's an achilles tear. You feel awful for the kid.

845
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, final minute of the game, all

846
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: that stuff. Jay Wright's awesome. They were already shorthanded, you know,

847
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: if they really only play about seven guys. They lost

848
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: the guy last weekend. They now lose this guy. They're

849
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: down to five or six guys. I just think it's hard, man,

850
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: I just think it's hard against this Vilanova team. And

851
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: then the coach Kate like coach K's got listen, just

852
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: what do you say, Collins? Say it out loud. Duke

853
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: has the best coach, Duke has the best players. And

854
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: what I say before they have five guys that potentially

855
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: could be in the NBA next year. They'll certainly be

856
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: in the NBA at some point. I know Carolina beat them.

857
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: And you know, if you say on social media you

858
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: think Duke's gonna do this, Oh, Carolina just beat them

859
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 1: three weeks ago, you don't know anything. Maybe I don't

860
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: know anything, but I'm just saying Duke's got the best players.

861
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: As you said, they're getting better every single game in

862
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: this tournament, and apparently the stage isn't too big for him, right.

863
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: I know sometimes that's a little bit of a cliche,

864
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: but they get better late in games when they need

865
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: to make plays. The Michigan State game, that's what stood

866
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: out to Yes, they got all these young guys, and

867
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: they're fearless. Bank Carrol's sitting threes. Jeremy Roach, your guy

868
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: is going into the paint and getting buckets. So I

869
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: find it hard to believe that Duke's gonna lose to Caroline. Again.

870
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: I know Carolina is playing well, but what an unbelievable

871
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: final for man. I can'tn't believe we're getting Carolina and

872
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: do good the final for it so well. And I

873
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: also think and Jeremy Roach gets a lot of crap.

874
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: But I will say this, not everybody excels high school

875
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: to college. Like Duke's a big environment, and you know,

876
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: he's a kid that didn't know people kind of they

877
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: didn't love him much. And the other day I was like,

878
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's have it. He'll probably a second

879
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: round pick in the NBA. He's not like wildly athletic.

880
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: His compass Lowry, the longtime NBA guard, good, good, smart player.

881
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: But um, what I noticed with Duke in this tournament,

882
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: and again you watch all these games, but there's a

883
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: clarity to the way Duke plays. Six minutes left against

884
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: Michigan State, the ball was in the best player's hands

885
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: and you could tell they were like, I gotta score

886
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: the ball, and it was like, ok, had a little

887
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: NBA feel. It was like, all right, guys, the Sea's

888
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: part wing player getting the ball. That's a big advantage

889
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: Aaron get up bucket players. They got more of them.

890
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: That's what it comes down to when it goes back

891
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: to you know, first of all, even with Roach, he

892
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: had some injuries in high school. So I just think

893
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: it's been a really slow recovery process. And you know

894
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: how injuries work. Guys, aren't confident all that stuff. But

895
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: that's what I go back to with Duke, you know,

896
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: And I go back to that Arkansas game and the

897
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: other night Arkansas, the head coach, Eric Musselman, I know well,

898
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: came from the NBA and the NBA is we want

899
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: to isolate whatever you knew poorly on defense and go

900
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: after it. And we want to take away your strength

901
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: on offense when we're on defense. And you saw that

902
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: in the Gonzaga game when Arkansas played him, they didn't

903
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: let him run the fast break andrew them hard. The

904
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: point guard couldn't get going. Then he played Duke, all

905
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: five guys could beat you. So you know, how do

906
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: you take away strength? How do you take away his

907
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: strength when four or five guys can beat you at

908
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: any given time. So, you know, like I said, I'll

909
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: readily admit I wasn't the guy that came into this

910
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: thinking that Duke was gonna win it. I thought they

911
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: were too hot and cold all year. I never questioned

912
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: the talent, but like you said, it just feels like

913
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: they're gaining confidence every single game, every single time they

914
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: take the court. And listen, I know a lot of

915
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: people are anti Duke. I think it's kind of been

916
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: fun to watch, like and like, my whole thing is

917
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: if Duke's here. I think a lot of people assumed

918
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the refs or it's good. They're just

919
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: going out and winning games, man, and they're making plays late.

920
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's like it's like Matt Stafford in the playoffs.

921
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: I don't care if you like Matt Stafford when he's

922
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: throwing the ball sixty yards down field to Cooper cut Like,

923
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: he's making plays. He's doing what he has to do.

924
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, the Aaron Torres Sports podcast, he is encyclopedic

925
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: with his knowledge. Also, he's a mile deep in his passion.

926
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: And I follow you. You argue, you're feisty. I love it.

927
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,479
Speaker 1: It's exactly what you should do in your space. Listen,

928
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: first of all, gotta have fun in this. We're just

929
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: talking about sports. And uh yeah, I got all a

930
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: NBA Twitter upset this weekend because I said something, which

931
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: is fine. It was miss It was misinterpreted, as many

932
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: things are on social media. But you know, at the

933
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: end of the day, Um, you know, we all have opinions.

934
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: And I said, I said to my producer the other night,

935
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: it's like the old George George Gastanza. It's not a

936
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: lie if you believe it. It's like, it's not a

937
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: bad opinion if that's what you actually believe. And so

938
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, so sometimes I hit it, sometimes I'm missing.

939
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: You know, you move on to the next one. So

940
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: great seeing you continued success. M you are one of

941
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: those guys that has never wavered on your love for

942
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: college basketball. It's it's it's because of the nature of

943
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: what has happened culturally in basketball, where it's almost like

944
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: the NBA is taken an anti college basketball stance, whereas

945
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: the NFL is very collaborative with college football. They they

946
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: they like it as a teaching and touring stage, a

947
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: minor league system. The NBA does not view college basketball

948
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: that way. I don't believe and sometimes to the you know,

949
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: the peril of the sport. I've argued this now for

950
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: two to three years coach k or a G league coach.

951
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: So but when I say it, I'm the college basketball homers.

952
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: So I let you say it. And you know, and

953
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: here's the other thing too, which you know because you

954
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: have been around, I'm telling you, like, like, let's go

955
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: to one of the biggest NBA stories right now, Zion

956
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: Williams said, okay, but he goes into the league, Everyone's like, oh,

957
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: you know, well, I mean he'll lose that baby fat

958
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: because he's gonna get with a real trainer and real Mike,

959
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: have you been a duke? I was like, I guarantee

960
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: duke's got better weight training, meal prep, you know, nutritionists,

961
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: massage therapist, you name it. Du basketball, Kentucky basketball, Kansas

962
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: USC football, notre name football. They're not lacking for anything.

963
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: And so that's another conversation for another day. There's plenty

964
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: of kids that have taken that G league route, alternative

965
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: route I have. The sport continues to go on. I

966
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: do think no, now nil helps. I do think. I'll

967
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: say this, I think having a normal NCAA tournament helps. Right,

968
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: How big has it been for Polo bank Caro? Let

969
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: let me ask you. Did you know much about Polo

970
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: bank Caro the Duke star before? Yeah? So, Jet Holmgren,

971
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: I mean you got people are busy, and you said,

972
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: you said it right. I love college basketball. I understand

973
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: that ninety nine percent of people are busy. They follow

974
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: the NBA, they follow the NFL until February. They play

975
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 1: fantasy football. They'll tune into a game here or there.

976
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: The NCAA tournament was good for Jed Holmgren. The NCAA

977
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: Tournament last year was great for Jalen Sugs Beavion Mitchell

978
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: from Baylor, Polo Bank Caro this year. So you know,

979
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: the sports got its flaws and I get it. It

980
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: doesn't you know, I understand it. It is a three,

981
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: four or five weeks sport for most of mainstream America.

982
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: And that's okay, um, but I but man, tell me,

983
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 1: tell me this. Once the tournament tips and there's people

984
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: in the stands and not everybody's six feet apart wearing

985
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: it's a fun event to watch and follow Myers. Okay, Yeah,

986
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: New Orleans isn't a top ten city for me, but

987
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: Marty Grass probably the greatest two weeks stretch in any

988
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: city in America, right, So like not everything is everything

989
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: like like like Los Angeles winners are unbelievable. So are Phoenix.

990
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: Try living there in the summer. So like, cities have events,

991
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: and they have three in week festivals, and I think

992
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: March Madness is the best festival in sports along with

993
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: the World Cup. Those to me are are like the

994
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: World Cup every four years. College basketball that World Cups

995
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: about three weeks every four years, and college basketball is

996
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: three weeks every year, and those are the best like

997
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: events that we have in sports. And instead of criticizing it,

998
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 1: I tell people this all the time. I don't talk

999
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: regular season baseball or regular season college basketball. It's an

1000
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: event and for three weeks, that's when it just it

1001
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: owns us and it should just embrace it. It's okay.

1002
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: It's not a criticism. As a sportscaster, if you're a

1003
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: sportscaster in Canada, you do seventy percent hockey. If you're

1004
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: a sportscaster in London you do seventy percent English Premier League.

1005
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: In this country you do seventy percent football because we

1006
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: bet it, we watch it. They as a league, they

1007
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: space it out free agency, combine draft camp. So sometimes

1008
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: I think college basketball fans, you don't watch all the game,

1009
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, you watch the games and then will come

1010
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: in enjoy the festival and give it tons of marketing

1011
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: and promotion. It's not a negative. It's an unbelievable, wonderful

1012
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: three week period in America, and we missed it. We

1013
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: really missed it two years too, because last year there

1014
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: was a tournament. But like I said, and we don't

1015
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 1: have to be labor the point, but in one stadium,

1016
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: half capacity, you know whatever, you get the points. So

1017
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: it's great to have it back. And I'm happy that everybody,

1018
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: I think, is starting to appreciate how fun, as you said, tournament, festival, whatever,

1019
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: how fun it is, like, it's just fun. Just enjoy it,

1020
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: grab a beer. You don't have to, you know, I

1021
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: don't know. I love it, and I'm glad to see

1022
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: people realizing, you know, how much fun it can be,

1023
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 1: even though again I get it's not a three hundred

1024
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: sixty five day years sport, and that's okay, you know. Yeah.

1025
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: And for the people that argue it's luck it's random Duke, Carolina, Villanova, Kansas. No,

1026
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: it's not like every other playoff, one game playoff or

1027
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: seven game playoff. The best teams overwhelmingly the cream rises

1028
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: in every sport, which to me validates the tournament. If

1029
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: it if we had Saint Peter's winning it, you'd be like, okay,

1030
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: this this is nonsense. No, Well, just like college football,

1031
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: Ohio State Alabete, we get the blue bloods, and that

1032
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: tells you that it works. If we had eight seeds

1033
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: winning this thing, we'd be like, Okay, we're making this

1034
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: too difficult for the most talented teams. Well, and I

1035
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: was gonna say no, even Carolina. I mean, the kid

1036
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: Caleb blog was the top fifteen kid coming out of

1037
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: high school. It didn't click right away. Credit to him,

1038
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: he didn't rush the process. He came back for a

1039
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: sophomore year. They got McDonald's All Americans up and down

1040
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: that roster. They got the best coaches. Again, it goes

1041
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: back to what we were talking about, best facilities, best training,

1042
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: They recruit the best players. Yes, they're an eight seed,

1043
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: but go back to the preseason app pole. I think

1044
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: they were ranked like twelve or thirteen. Aaron great, seeing

1045
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: an you buddy anytime next March. Just just just let

1046
00:56:46,160 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: me know I'm down alright, man, The volume