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Speaker 1: For every hunt, first Light, Go farther, stay longer. All right, everybody,

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Speaker 1: We're coming coming at you from Florida, where I'm where

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Speaker 1: I've been on a man, I've gotten an earful. It's

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Speaker 1: like two weeks, I've gotten an earful for what. Oh,

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Speaker 1: just all the like all the issues in Florida. Oh,

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Speaker 1: on a whirlwind tour, talking to talking to many different sportsmen.

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Speaker 1: The most surprising thing to me down here is how unpopular,

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Speaker 1: how unpopular among the folk I've met, How unpopular the

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Speaker 1: panthers are in one way, okay, like people think they're

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Speaker 1: hunting standpoint, it's remarkably similar. It's like it's such a parallel. John,

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Speaker 1: Am I boring you? No, not at all. Just gotta

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Speaker 1: just taking care of a little loose ender right here

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Speaker 1: seems to be important. Listen it uh okay, the parallels,

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Speaker 1: the parallels between what the parallels between the wolf debate

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Speaker 1: the wolf debate in the Northern Rockies and the panther

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Speaker 1: think is. Oh, I'm gonna preface. This is saying something

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Speaker 1: joined today by Richard Martinez. Hey, Steve, most interesting job

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Speaker 1: on the planet. Can you tell people what you do

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Speaker 1: for work? I'm an art handler, That's my profession. I

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Speaker 1: fine art, logistics, moving, packing, shipping, installation, protection of fine arts, storage,

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Speaker 1: you know. Uh. Me and Ridge ponder, we think we

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Speaker 1: found in this very house the original Live Love Laugh sign.

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Speaker 1: And we were thinking, well, we were thinking about stealing

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Speaker 1: where we live. This is a this is live Love

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Speaker 1: laugh A long how a long first one was like

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Speaker 1: this one. But what does it look like? Nineteen fifty

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Speaker 1: I like? I like the laugh? Yeah, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: And then his wife walked in. I like my wife.

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Speaker 1: What was I saying, oh, well, before you go on,

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Speaker 1: my dad. Stay tuned for that part, folks. The minute

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Speaker 1: I met Richard, we well, no, because we met at

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Speaker 1: and how many years did it take? Four took a

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Speaker 1: idea that the Florida panther was not like everybody else's panther. Yea,

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Speaker 1: the reintroduction. It was a ninety six or ninety seven six,

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Speaker 1: but no, it's it's news has no relevance to anybody.

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Speaker 1: What are you looking at me? Like? He's excited for

419
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: the two musicians. Musicians worldwide need to pay attention to. Wrong,

420
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: I say, because I found the pathway to riches for musicians.

421
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: Chester's gonna open for trample by turtles. Yeah, check this

422
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: out again. Yeah, he's gonna open for tramp by turtles.

423
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: And you know what the date that they got Chester

424
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: booked for is booked up, sold out out. Chester's show

425
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: sold out. The other shows haven't sold out. So if

426
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: you're a musician and you want to sell out some shows,

427
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: good old Chester, you need to get Chester because that's

428
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: how you sell tickets. Nice damn Chester show. We get

429
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: on a list maybe for like France. How do we

430
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: get it? I don't even know Chesters show has sold out?

431
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: What's going? What's the past sold out? When's the tour? Uh,

432
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: it's not a tour, it's just when when you Florida? Ya, dude,

433
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man, One step at a time, you know?

434
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man? Were they were talking about what Chester's

435
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: all strung out on? Heroin? Your career has kind of

436
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: been like one giant leap at a time. Oh yeah, man,

437
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: oh yeah. I kind of wish it were not wish

438
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: but I'm very happy and excited and I'm learning very quickly.

439
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: But sometimes I wish it were just maybe a scoch slower.

440
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: What do you mean, man? You got you got like

441
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: a big show coming up now now you're trying to dance. Well,

442
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: guess it's already sold out, so it doesn't matter what

443
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: you say. There's a lot of pressure though, right, I mean,

444
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: I just mean like I feel. Nah, I don't know

445
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm I'm excited, yeah, super excited. But

446
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: I wish I were a little better at my guitar. Mhmm.

447
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: You got an angel of it? I'm working on it

448
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: or voice of an angel though too good originals. Yeah,

449
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't do a service announcement and say that

450
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: buy tickets now to see Chester open for trample by

451
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: Turtles but sold out. Maybe find a scalper at some

452
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: resale at the door. Yeah, and and other musicians. If

453
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: you want to get serious about making money and selling tickets,

454
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: book Chester. Yeah, Luke Cole, sure you and I gotta

455
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: do a show? Yeah we do Yeah, yeah, yeah, wonderful

456
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: Luke's listening. I think he sells the shows out. Well,

457
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: you know, if that star stopped burning so bright, I

458
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: know how what he can do to fix things up?

459
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: Old chaticoll Here here's a good to already put this

460
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: on Instagram. So a guy a guy writes in from

461
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: Michigan and uh, a couple of years back he had

462
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: to move to another So he's from Michigan, but he

463
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: had to move to another state for job opportunity. He's

464
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: living in a hotel and living in a hotel where

465
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: he's at where he's moving to. He's trying to buy

466
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: a house, but he has to come back to Michigan

467
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: to gather up his stuff out of his house, his

468
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: old house. He all of a sudden remembers he had

469
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: He had a tree stand he left out on state

470
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: land down the road, so he's like, shoot, he runs

471
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: out to get his tree stand. He says, when I

472
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: got to the stand, I noticed a piece of paper

473
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: at the base, but didn't pay any mind until I

474
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: climbed the stand and was eye level. Was something I

475
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: didn't expect, A fresh pair of deer nuts sitting in

476
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: the seat of my stand. Sends a picture of it.

477
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: I got a picture of the note and the buck nuts.

478
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: He wonders about this, climbs down and goes and finds

479
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: the scrap of paper, and the scrap of paper says,

480
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: this creep he tore it. It's like a scrap of

481
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: paper written by a Bye bye A presuma be a gentleman.

482
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: Creeping on other people's stands. I'm sorry, creeping on other

483
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: people's trees stand is immoral and how you end up

484
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: with nutsacks on your stand. Creeping on other people's tree

485
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: stand is immoral? And how you end up with nutsacks

486
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: on your stand, I bet you never shot deer. Dang hmm. Wow,

487
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: it's getting out of control, creeping on other people's trees stands.

488
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: What's really funny is that, well one I'm trying to

489
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: there's a guy we're trying to get on the show

490
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: that as a like, instead of just reading about it,

491
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: there's a there's a story of a of a public

492
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: land tree stand spot dispute that spuns so wildly out

493
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: of control. I'm trying to get the guy to come

494
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: on the podcast just as a guest, to be on

495
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: the show for the whole show, to tell the story.

496
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: Not hairsy, but it'll curl your hair. I had a

497
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: guy recently. I saw an email the guy standing recently

498
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: and he he blames so we covered We've been covering

499
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: a lot of these like public land debates, people stand

500
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: my spot. He says it's all a result of this

501
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: public landowner movement because he sees the public landowner t

502
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: shirts and he's like, it's these people that think they

503
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: own the land. Hey got a side note, A Michigan

504
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: factul it please. The dog with the longest tongue ever

505
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: was a Michigan dog. It was like eighteen inches long.

506
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: How do you know? How do you know? I heard

507
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: it on the radio station back home. Wow, if I

508
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: don't got my phone check, could you check that the

509
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: longest tongue of a dog, it's a Michigan dog. Okay,

510
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: here's here's a news alert. Chess will fact check that.

511
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: Here's a news alert. Um, this is this is. I

512
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: wish I understood Michigan or Wisconsin law a little bit better,

513
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: like how laws get made. So how many years of

514
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: me and Yanni you've been applying for our sturgeon spearing

515
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: permit in Skannie? I don't know, but I feel like

516
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't put in the last year or two.

517
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: I don't just know way you wouldn't have put it in.

518
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: I've only got two points. How many are you up to?

519
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: I thought you took care of it. Did we fall

520
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: off the board on spearing permit? I don't know. I

521
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: checked my points the other day and I was like, what, Well,

522
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: if you've been putting, if we got you should only

523
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: have to Okay, Well, maybe that's right, though, three either way.

524
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: Lay that out for people. Okay, Um, in Wisconsin and

525
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: Lake Winnebago, it's kind of like a big party fest

526
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: and people go in party party. It's a party burning sturgeon,

527
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: drinking festa. Party. You don't have to drink, you don't

528
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: have to party. You can just spear lake sturgeon through

529
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: the ice. And uh, you go out there. You caught

530
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: a big hole in the ice with a chainsaw. You

531
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: back your ice shanny up over the top of it,

532
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: throw a decoy down if you want, and wait and

533
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: wait and wait for a sturgeon to swim under the hole. However,

534
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: there's these upper lakes in the Winnebago system and you

535
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: have to put in. Tell people about this because I mean, yeah,

536
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: you're putting in. There's just a better chance for you

537
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: to spear sturgeon. No, I just wanted you to explain

538
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: as much as you explained. Now, explain to me this.

539
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: How could it be that you can spear sturgeon through

540
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: the ice but you can't spear a northy through the ice, well,

541
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: because it's illegal. Um, it blows my I could when

542
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: I read this theory. Could there's a thing I'm getting

543
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: to a news blip. Yeah, I know about that. How

544
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: when the hell I had no idea. Who couldn't spear

545
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: northern through the ice and Wisconsin? No, but I've wanted

546
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: to for a long time. It seems like it would

547
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 1: be like the this target speed because there's a spearing

548
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: culture there. Yep. Shocked me. Maybe they just think too

549
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: many people will do it. Yeah, they're like Wisconsin people

550
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: are too apt to do it. You know, how to

551
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: practice for sturgeon spearing? Down to your local gas station

552
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: and you get a six pack of light beer. Then

553
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: you come home and you open up the closet, bring

554
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: a chair in there with you, shut the lights off,

555
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: and shut the door, and you can't come out of

556
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: the closet until all six of those light beers are

557
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: So there's a citizens resolution. Well, okay. During the past year,

558
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: we've progressed our citizen resolution through multiple Wisconsin DNR committees,

559
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: and it will finally now be up for a statewide

560
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: vote online during our spring hearings April tenth to thirteenth,

561
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: in order to legalize the spearing of northeast oh Nice,

562
00:38:54,440 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: by which I mean Northern Pike. I wonder how that's polling. Yeah,

563
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think it would be pulling good,

564
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: but like you know, pro spearing, but I don't know

565
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: for sure, man, I really really My recommendation to people

566
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: that live in Scanning, Wisconsin is to go how I

567
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: don't understand this though, Like you can vote online. I

568
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: wish I understood this better. So on April tenth to

569
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: April thirteenth, if you live in Wisconsin, apparently you can

570
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: go online and vote to give you guys a Northern

571
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: pike spearing season. I know what I'd be doing between

572
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: the tenth and think. There's a lot of fishermen, regular

573
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: old roden reelers that don't like the idea of throwing

574
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: spears at fish. If God didn't want you to spear pike,

575
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: you wouldn't made pike spears. You know. The funny thing is, though,

576
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: like people in Wisconsin they keep fish man and they

577
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: fry him up. M so yeah, but they like to

578
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: keep them when they catch them on their rod and

579
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: real they're not spear and steelhead, they're not spearing wally dogs.

580
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 1: It's like, here's spearing northern Here's my advice to people

581
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: that are spirit I think we should have a spearing season,

582
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: and I think there should be maybe kind of doesn't

583
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: have to be. No, we don't have to have a

584
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: slot limit, but just use your best judgment and not

585
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: be killing If you want Northeast in your lake, don't

586
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: be killing those big, big females. Yeah, but you can't expect.

587
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: Let's just say you got to write the law. Because

588
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: you can't expect. You can't make a law. You know.

589
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: The reason they put specificity to fishing regulations is because

590
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: you can't just like make general recommendations to people. Yeah,

591
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: I know if you can on a podcast when a

592
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: bunch of people are are listening. No, you can't. But

593
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like I would like if it comes down

594
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: to that, you have no pike spearing, yes, and you're like, well,

595
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: we can't have If we allow people to spear pike,

596
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: they'll spear all the pike. Okay, then why don't you

597
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: make it that they won't spear all the pike by

598
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: having a Okay, I don't know if you're that scared

599
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: of it that you're allowed. You know, what was the

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00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: daily bang lim But on northern in Wisconsin, I'm not sure.

601
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: I think it's lake dependent. Okay. What would be a

602
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: what would be a reasonable number five. Yeah, probably Okay,

603
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: So right now a guy with tipops can kill five.

604
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: Make it that the spear guy. I'm not recommending this,

605
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, make it that the pike spear

606
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: has a little bit fewer bag limit, different season structure.

607
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: Now I'm playing Devil's advocate from what I heard when

608
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: I did my little ice fish and tour there and

609
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: chat out with people about spear and stuff, and a

610
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: lot of people feel like you're gonna spear not non

611
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: target species bike kitch and then and then you know

612
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: you're any musky waters. The biggest thing is I think muski,

613
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: you know, because you can tell the difference between a

614
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: largemouth bass and a pike. But I wouldn't leave it

615
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,479
Speaker 1: to people to tell a musky from a northern No,

616
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: so musky waters, don't don't let them. You can't spear

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00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: in musky waters. Why couldn't you use an example of

618
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: like a state like Montana where you can spear pike

619
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: and you can't spear in wait. I don't know if

620
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: that's true in Montana, but I know in North was

621
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: it North Dakota or South Dakota? North Dakota you cannot

622
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: spear in musky waters. But okay, if you're talking about

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00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: if you're talking about in Wisconsin spearing and like, first off,

624
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: I would be that I would limit it to like

625
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: native musky waters and not these experimental populations of hybrid

626
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Speaker 1: hybridized muskies like takers. Yeah, like native musky waters. I

627
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: could see some legitimacy and saying you can't spear, that

628
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: you can't spear northerns. I haven't sorted it all out

629
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: in my head, but I can tell you what I

630
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: have sorted out. You should be a lot of spear

631
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: pike in Wisconsin. Yeah, it's a blast. I don't care

632
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: what Jhanna says. Uh, yeah you do. Note from a

633
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: listener and our recent episode, oh snot. Okay, So we

634
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: recently had an episode called Snarge and the episode was

635
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: about a the profession of keeping animals off runways. Hope

636
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: you guys saw it afterward? Did you see that picture

637
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: I had on Instagram? Dude, that's where the actions as

638
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: I did hitting that dude as Stephen Ronella. One of

639
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: the pictures was I don't shy away from the gruesome.

640
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 1: But since I'm older, I don't do like multiple pictures

641
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: and stuff on there. I don't set it to music right,

642
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: just clean old style on Instagram, you know, pictures worth

643
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: a thousand words. Yeah, I don't put like the media

644
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: it says up top like you know ac DC. I

645
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: don't do any of that. Just a clean picture. Um.

646
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: After that show, a guy rode in also from Michigan

647
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: where he wrote in where his old man ran over

648
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: a deer on a runway with a plane, and he

649
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: said it cut the deer in three equal pieces, which

650
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: I didn't get based on that post because I know

651
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. I'll say I had a deer

652
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: the wade ninety pounds, yeah, and I cut it into

653
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: three thirty pound pieces. You'd say that I cut it

654
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: into three equal pieces. No, but why did the airplane

655
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: do that? Like it got three circulations? Probably right? Or

656
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: did it when it hit it with the tire tire

657
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: in the wing left side? Yeah, yeah, I have a

658
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: picture of how it was a raid, but I didn't

659
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: put it on there, not because I was chicken. I

660
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: just put I thought the plane picture was another plane

661
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: was cool, bloodied up airplane? Yeah. Um. Anyway, on that

662
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: thing I was saying, I was talking about if you

663
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: go to control, so so just if people didn't listen

664
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: to the episode, remember what the miracle on the Hudson Suley. Yeah, right,

665
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: he hit his plane hit a fox strike. Okay. And

666
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: part of the work of like mitigate or trying to

667
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: reduce airline strikes against wildlife is you'll need to go

668
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: Obviously it's a bigger footprint than just the airport. And

669
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: they've been talked about they've had people that where people

670
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: are like feeding grained ducks nearby, and they've had to

671
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: be like, try to approach them about curtailing those activities

672
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: that are creating potential hazards for airplanes. Okay. And I

673
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: was saying, I wonder at what points and most airplane

674
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: collisions with wildlife happened below a thousand feet And I

675
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: was saying, well, how like how fire around. You gotta

676
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: get to get that in a pilot road And he said,

677
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: on my flight today, I tested this theory. What airport's

678
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: agl oh above ground level? Uh? Is that right? Yeah? Yeah,

679
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: we learned that. Yeah. Uh it's less than a quarter

680
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: mile in year thousand feet you know, so fairly small space. Yeah. Tight. Well,

681
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: being in Florida, they got they gotta do some of

682
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: that management for the rockets. I bet imagine a rocket

683
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: smoking a bird. Yeah, um, vaporize. On another episode we

684
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: recently covered uh. We covered a guy that was out

685
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: shed hunting looking for antlers and found uh, um found

686
00:46:50,520 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: a skull, human skull older like hair on you still old? Oh?

687
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: And uh and then our our frequent guesting contributor um

688
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: half a finger since then found one. No kidding this

689
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: spring jammed in. What are you doing that situation? He

690
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: didn't even touch it? Yeah? Wow, what was the story

691
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, hunting hunting halflin with his old man? Yeah,

692
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: with the story on the person doesn't know. He didn't

693
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: just call it in. He didn't want He said that,

694
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: he didn't even roll it over. He went, I'm called in.

695
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: He didn't want to get involved and haven't been that

696
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: he messed with it or right any idea of the age.

697
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't followed up with him. He

698
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: was like, he didn't want to, you know, He's like, well,

699
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: it seem to me that there's a high likelihood that

700
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm at a crime scene and I don't want to

701
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: move anything around. What was he like down in New

702
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: Mexico in some remote area border country Arizona, So it

703
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: could have been someone it's coming across the border. Yeah,

704
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: let's think about no country for old man. If you

705
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: came across buttload of money and at school, might put

706
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: all that money walk away little suitcase. Uh you got

707
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard about this. So they

708
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: just coming out of the perma frost. There's pictures of it.

709
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: Um in Siberia. A three thousand and five hundred year

710
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: old brown bear just melted out of the perma frost.

711
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: Astonishingly good condition, nice fully furred, still had his brain tissue,

712
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,479
Speaker 1: still has his brain in it. You know, he'd eaten,

713
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: he'd eaten. His stomach was packed full of bird feathers

714
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: and uh, bird feathers and plant matter. What kind of

715
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: what kind of critter? Brown bear? It's like one of

716
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: the first thous and five. I mean, that's not that old,

717
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, wouldn't be any different than today's

718
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: brown bear. But it's cool. Yeah, it's cool. Three thousand,

719
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: five hundred year old brown bear out of the perm rust.

720
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: One of the first times they've been able to like

721
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: test some brain tissue of something that old too. See

722
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: what he was thinking, how's a beard smoke A get

723
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: a bird that would that would seem pretty tricky ground

724
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: nesters probably or just dead. Oh yeah, crap, you left

725
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: laying around or picking up ground nesting birds wouldn't surprise me. Yeah.

726
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: I mean one of my favorite stories, alec tell is

727
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: when I was calling turkeys and called in a black

728
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: bear that was like, oh yeah, breathing behind me. I

729
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: mean he was coming to get a bird. Uh, that's interesting.

730
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: He had still had You can still see the yellow

731
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: fat when they dissected it. Well, it had a spinal injury.

732
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: I have a lanche to breathe or something. I don't know.

733
00:49:54,640 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: That would be my island. Nope, um callahan. And recently,

734
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: speaking of stuff and stuff, stomach callahan, they recently cut

735
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: open uh cougar cut open up Texas mountain lion. See

736
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: that Texas mountain lion. Think about him where he's got

737
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: me pissed because he's a man. I could have been

738
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: brought down in Florida. Oh hot, kinds of lonely women

739
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: down there. They got shot in Texas. They opened his

740
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: gut up, and he's cal sent me a picture had

741
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: eight pounds that chewed up cal Sas mule deer meat.

742
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: How does he know? Oh? That's good. Maybe it was

743
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of mule deer hair. And with Colombo down here,

744
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: that's probably that's probably right man. Yeah, eight pounds of

745
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: muled your meat. Wow, it looked like I told cal

746
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: to save it because looked like something I could put

747
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: right under my tron Like I could put it right

748
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: under my trompo, no problem, just like minced up remarrinated,

749
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,439
Speaker 1: minced up meat. Um Karn, who's not with us today,

750
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: she's been, uh really spend a lot of time reading

751
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: about how the news covers turkeys. Turkey attacks, um, turkeys

752
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: driving people out of their homes, like like very aggressive turkeys,

753
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: mailmen right attack and mailmenil mailmen carrying pistols and pepper

754
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: sprayed to pepper sprayed turkeys. Oh yeah, like turkeys. Yeah,

755
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: there's a turkey hundred things and turkeys one way and

756
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: suburban nights thick of turkeys another way. There's an Instagram

757
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: account that Seth pointed me on too, and some of

758
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: those turkeys were carrying like swords and a little shield. Well,

759
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: like you said, young, with that oustio, the birds you got,

760
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: those are some sharp spurs down here. Oh yeah, listen

761
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: to what his neighborhood. Okay, listen to what this woman

762
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: went through. This is I think this is reported in

763
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: the Washington Post. The line is a turkey settled near

764
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: her Minnesota home. Now she carries weapons. This is this

765
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. I'd read that story. She lives in Coon Rapids, Minnesota.

766
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 1: Around two twenty one summer twenty twenty one, a turkey

767
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: drip from her roofs and forced her to the ground.

768
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: The turkey ripped her jacket, scattered her bag of eggs, coffee,

769
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: and other Groser's on her front lawn. Downright. Assaulted by

770
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: a turkey from above. Build the eggs. Damn it. Okay.

771
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: She calls and says that she calls her fishing game

772
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: agency and says she wants the turkey relocated. They say

773
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: they don't do that. You'll relocate turkeys. Good for them. Gross.

774
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: This is the woman's name. Her last name is Gross.

775
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: Gross forty one said the turkey has placed her in

776
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: her neighbors lives and turmoil. She now wears safety goggles

777
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: when she stepped outside, and carries a broom, a golf club,

778
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 1: and a water bottle for self defense. I'm pretty stressed

779
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: out and pretty anxious all the time. Gross told the

780
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: Washington Post, I can't even have peace. The turkey appeared

781
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: at a Rolla home park with seven others in the

782
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: summer twenty twenty one. Girls said when the pack departed

783
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: a few weeks later, this turkey remained. Okay, I'm paraphrasing

784
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: and reading. The turkey became attached to Gross, following her

785
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: on drives to Chipotle where she worked. No, following her

786
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: on drives when she went to get food at Chipotle.

787
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: Now might be wise follower, Yeah, I wonder how far

788
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: Chipotle is from her house, I don't know. And following

789
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: her and she works at a nursing home and the

790
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: turkey and follower there. Bad journalism here, it's here twenty

791
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: four seven. Okay, because did the journalist ever ask are

792
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: you feeding? Or did you ever feed? The turkey? Hear

793
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: me out? This is it's gonna emerge, okay. Gross said

794
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: she called emergency services and Minnesota's Department of Natural Resources.

795
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: Experts advise her to remove bird feeders across the neighborhood

796
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: because the turkey would flee without a food supply, It

797
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: would flee. They can't help themselves, man, journalists, journalists ready

798
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 1: about wild life can't help themselfs the turkey would fleet

799
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: if it didn't have food, but Gross said she sees

800
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: corn strewn around the mobile home park where she lives.

801
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: She believes someone's feeding the turkey. Soon after the first attack,

802
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: Gross said the turkey pecked at her feet and left

803
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: a scar. Around that same time, the turkey attacked another resident.

804
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: Since the turkey settled near her home, Gros said neighbors

805
00:54:54,320 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: have blamed her for entering their neighborhood. The turkey sleeps

806
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: on her roof or on a tree outside her home.

807
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: The turkey gobbles through out the night. When she opens

808
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: the blinds on her kitchen window in the morning, the

809
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: turkey glares at her. No way, listen, man, This is

810
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: a true story. Gross at first named the turkey Gladys,

811
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: but as it grew, she came to believe it was

812
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: Mail changed its name to Reggie. There's a picture of it.

813
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: It very definitely is. Though she hasn't confirmed the tight,

814
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: the turkey's gender or age. Gross says she has applied

815
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: every precaution from wildlife experts, doesn't keep any food outside

816
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: of her home, doesn't play loud music of the fear

817
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: it would attract the turkey hasn't grilled outside in two years. Yeah,

818
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: she would not be able to buy our new outdoor

819
00:55:54,640 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: cooking cookbook. Would be irrelevant in her life. She bought

820
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: a horn to scare of the turkey, but it just

821
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: provoked the bird. She got shot gobbles out of it.

822
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: She sprayed water on it and that scared the turkey

823
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: away for two weeks. October twenty one, Okay, the whole

824
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: neighborhood canceled the Halloween trick or treating because of the turkey.

825
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: She now has to walk neighborhood children to the bus

826
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: stop to protect them. Where's this kid? Sticks Minnesota? She says.

827
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: The turkey so aggressively attacks her cars tires that she

828
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: has to refill the tires with air weekly, speaking scapegoat.

829
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: When family members come to visit, they can't because they're

830
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: scared to enter to approach her home. I'm so exhausted,

831
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 1: she said. I hope this gets a solution and someone

832
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: comes to help Yanni. She wants to have a peaceful

833
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: summer with her kids and grandkids and actually have a

834
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: barbecue and just be able to relax. Now, why don't

835
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 1: they relocate it? When a turkey's rounded up after wounding people.

836
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: That turkey is youthanized and served as food to someone

837
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: who needs it. That's what the article says. And this

838
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: woman doesn't mount the turkey to be hurt. Oh jeez, man,

839
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: it's probably driving down the property value around there. She

840
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: recently walked out of her house and jumped when a

841
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: bird flew because she thought it was a turkey coming

842
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: for it. Oh, Reggie causing them all sorts of trouble.

843
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: The other day when he was talking to it, she

844
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: was talking new journalists and she said, quote, he's out

845
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: there pecking at my tires, uh, quicking on her head

846
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: on Turkey News, which is really interesting. So this is

847
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: an old study from the nineteen sixties where they were

848
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: trying to find out sexual arousal in turkeys, okay, And

849
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: they began taking a male turkey and trying to find

850
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: out what on a female turkey is the male turkey

851
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: attracted to. Okay. So they start out with a turkey

852
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: model and they start removing parts from it to see

853
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: at what point the turkey wants to stop These are domestics,

854
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: at what point the turkey wants to stop breeding it.

855
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: This is a government survey or like university researchers. This

856
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: is like a decoy that they're putting out in like

857
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: a farm um doctor Pennsylvania State, if Seth, you'll appreciate

858
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: this penn State who. They began with a taxidermically preferred

859
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: female turkey model and a penn of active males in

860
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: order to learn what specifically gets the turkey visually interested

861
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: in making more turkeys aka making love. The two that's

862
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: my input. The two men slowly removed parts of the

863
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: turkey model. One by one. They detached the feet, the wings,

864
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: and eventually the entire body the taxidermy turkey until the

865
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: stick mounted head and neck held like a puppet remained.

866
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: The paper is called stimuli eliciting sexual behavior. Mail Turkeys

867
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: presented a body without the head, okay, follow me, Maile

868
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: Turkeys presented a body with no head would display, but

869
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: they wouldn't mount it. If you presented the head alone

870
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: and held it upright, they would go try to copulate

871
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: the air behind the head. Can we mention what your

872
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: theory about what happened yesterday? Say we have a side

873
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: note story about turkey sexual arousal Okay, I finished this

874
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: real quick. Yeah, that's what I was going to get

875
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: through afterwards. They're thinking. This is academic thinking. They're thinking,

876
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: is I don't want to get into how they all

877
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: did it, but like why would that matter? They're thinking,

878
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: is that one turkey? Okay, picture your male turkey when

879
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: you're um, you know, right aroused a little bit, when

880
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: you're when you're making love with a female turkey. They're saying, well,

881
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: he can't see nothing but her head neck anyway, that's

882
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: what she says. It is paper. Oh my gosh, this

883
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: is contemporary. That's what the sixties. Oh okay, it goes

884
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: on and on. Well it is from the sixties, you said, yeah,

885
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: that goes on and on. People just thought different back then.

886
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I could read this for days and I

887
01:00:53,360 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't be done one last thing. So I'm gonna bring

888
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: it back and so check and see how this has flowed. Okay,

889
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: we got into turkeys with Florida. We got into turkeys.

890
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna get into Florida turkeys tracking huge. Just

891
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: the other day, a couple of days ago, Florida's Fishing

892
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: Wildlife Commission. Have you heard about this giant turkey poaching bust. No,

893
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: they just released just a couple days ago. Huh No,

894
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: I have not charges filed against a feller by the

895
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: name of them Sydney brent Hurst born in eighty five

896
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: thirty seven mm hmm good math um charge with the

897
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: following taking over the season bag limited Turkey's taking over

898
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: the season season bag limited, deer, scheming to defraud, arm trust, pass,

899
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: unuseful use, unlawful use of two way communication device, and cheating.

900
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: So this is this is an interesting thing about I

901
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: might spend more time with us. Did you guys listen

902
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: to Clay's Did you guys listen to Beargrease podcast episode

903
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: about the serial Turkey poachers in Ohio, oh? Where it

904
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: was like part of the I think so, yes, it's Clays.

905
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: I want to Clay his masterpiece. Yeah, yeah, I do

906
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: remember that hiding the guns right, No, no no, no, no,

907
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: no different one like he's got to. Clay has two

908
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: Bear Grease podcasts, two masterpieces. There's a series on the

909
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: original Outlaws that's the one I'm taking out. And then

910
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: he's got a series on the undercover Game Warden. Oh, okay.

911
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: In this series on the Undercover Game, Warden focuses very

912
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: heavily on a Turkey on him inserting himself in an

913
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: undercover sense, like moving to their town, becoming friends with

914
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: spending years undercover with turkey poachers yea, And reading it

915
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: you might think to yourself, how is that? Like, how

916
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: does the juice warrant the squeeze all that effort? This

917
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: guy a paid undercover No, no discredit to the guy,

918
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: He's doing his job. You send in a paid undercover

919
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: guy to like move into a town, assume a false identity,

920
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: and live for years to get some turkey poachers, to

921
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: bust some turkey poachers, it just seems like it seems

922
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: it strikes me as weirdly asymmetrical. Oh, it shows how

923
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,919
Speaker 1: much value we put on in a wildlife. Sure it does.

924
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: But in the end, like normally, when you picture someone

925
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: an undercover agent spending years with someone, you picture that

926
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: people are going away to jail for a long long time,

927
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: like organized crime or something. You don't picture someone's gonna

928
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: do like thirty days in the local slammer and have

929
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: a revocation of hunting privileges for five years. It's just

930
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's like you think of

931
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: like it's like, oh, they must be trafficking and narcotics

932
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: and murdering people. I don't know, you know, Like I said,

933
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: like I don't mean to discredit, but like the thing

934
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: that I enjoyed it thoroughly. I get the work. I

935
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: support the work. It just felt asymmetrical, like the effort

936
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: from the agency, the effort and in the way I mean,

937
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: like change these people's lives right for the relatively light

938
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: the relatively light punishment that goes that that that goes

939
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: to those offenses. Um, maybe the punishment should be worse.

940
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but here's what's crazy. So they they

941
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: started investigating this guy in twenty twenty. Okay, no, no

942
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: undercover guys. But they start investigating this guy in twenty twenty,

943
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: and it just started with so Florida fish and wildlife.

944
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: It starts when they get a guy where they realize

945
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: that a guy and his young son had both taken

946
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: over the season bagged them into wild turkeys, which is

947
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: two two okay, And they start looking into him. They

948
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: realize this guy killed between fifteen to twenty wild turkeys

949
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: in a season spring twenty Spring twenty twenty, fifteen to

950
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: twenty wild turkeys. Okay, I'm reading from this piece right here,

951
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: my FWC. Okay, so as reported by the state. Given

952
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: the extent of the violations uncovered during the twenty twenty season,

953
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: and the necessity to ensure hersh would be held accountable

954
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: for all his actions, the decision was made to extend

955
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: and widen the investigation to gather any and all information

956
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: regarding his poaching activities. So here you got a guy

957
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: he already know he killed fifty to twenty birds. Maybe

958
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: they didn't have good admissible evidence, right whatever, and they're like,

959
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: let's let him keep at it for another season and

960
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: see what he does in the next season. During spring

961
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, did a bunch more so, what did

962
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: he do in the twenty twenty one twenty twenty one

963
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: spring season? Thirty? Yeah, now the criminal trestpass thing, armed

964
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: criminal trestpasses. He's trespassing on four different properties with a

965
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: gun and killing birds. Off trespassing to kill birds, thirty

966
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: turkeys during the spring season. I guess how many bucks

967
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: he killed during twenty the two twenty two twenty one

968
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: general gun season fourteen shot twenty bucks. Jesus, what's he

969
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: doing is he's selling like mounts and stuff into it.

970
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't get into it because remember that they then

971
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: here's here's this is where I'd like I'd like talk

972
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: to I'm going involved in this investigation, So Krian, when

973
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: you you should find someone to talk about this, just

974
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: to help explain it. From from Florida fishing game. They

975
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: then extend the investigation into the spring twenty two season,

976
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: killed fifteen turkeys that season, numbers dropped. Eventually they go

977
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: and do a search warrant. Oh yeah, when they searched

978
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: his place, they executed a search warrant one hundred and

979
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: fifty six pairs of turkey spurs, one hundred and fifty

980
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: five turkey beards, twenty one buck antlers, buck racks. He's

981
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: a collector, cheez man, got a screw loose. Yeah, uh,

982
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: a lot of turkeys. Man. I wonder how he did it.

983
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. It doesn't get into that. So those

984
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: are all, you know, call ins or shooting him with rifles. Well,

985
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, because like, on one hand, you're like,

986
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: if he's calling that me birds in, he'd be like, yeah,

987
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: I mean like the guy, but I just got a

988
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: feeling that ain't the case. Yeah, yeah, maybe, I mean

989
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 1: if he is to help, I mean, like whatever, if

990
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, two things can be true at once, right, Yeah,

991
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: like horrible person, hell of a turkey hunter. Yeah, woman,

992
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: if they were all males gobblers spurs, Well, they confiscated

993
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty five stats of spurs. You remember, Steve,

994
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: there was that big poacher and the seely swan. M hm,

995
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: he got some serious prison time. Yeah. I don't know

996
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: what they do down here, but that was like, that

997
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: was when I was I was at a I was

998
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: at a thing one time. I was at an event

999
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: one time, and I met we we should get this

1000
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 1: guy on the show too. There was a warden presenting

1001
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: out a thing about super poachers. Yeah, and his take

1002
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: is that you have that that ten percent you know,

1003
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: they old like ten percent of the the blank you know,

1004
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: ten percent of the fisherman catch ninety percent of the fish,

1005
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: ten percent of the poachers poach ninety percent of the game. Yeah,

1006
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: and he was he was a specialist in psychological profiles

1007
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: of super poachers, and um he was kind of like

1008
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: the gist of his deal was that fishing game agents

1009
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: would be better suited to learn to recognize the patterns

1010
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: of super poachers and focus on super poachers. UM put

1011
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: more energy into recognizing when that's what you're dealing with

1012
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: and catching those individuals who will poach massive amounts of

1013
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: stuff over an entire lifetime. Yeah, Um, he didn't. I

1014
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: don't think he meant like instead of but like in

1015
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 1: addition to the normal patrolling you do on a day

1016
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: to day basis, like ah, you didn't buy your license,

1017
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, it'd be like this is a thing to

1018
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: be taken seriously, like these these chronic superpoachers. And in

1019
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: the work he did on super poachers, he's like, they

1020
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: are they're sociopaths. Yeah, they're like the same level of

1021
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: sociopath that that you might be a sociopath and become

1022
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: a murder. There's a form of sociopath sociopathy that becomes that.

1023
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: But he felt that it's driven by these same things

1024
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: that it is. It's like sociopathic behavior and it's and

1025
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 1: that's what you are. But for whatever reason, some sociopaths

1026
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: go in in that direction to become like habitual chronic

1027
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: illegal killers of wildlife. This dude seems like Florida dude

1028
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: definitely keeping all that. And there is a collection, there's

1029
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: a there's a collection aspect and what he got into

1030
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: is like a thing that drives them is that they're

1031
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: smarter than everybody else. They're getting away with it. They're

1032
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 1: smarter than everybody else, and that's like a common that's

1033
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,839
Speaker 1: common in that behavior type. What the like you're proving

1034
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: how smart you are? Yeah, you know what. The Florida

1035
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 1: guy get sentenced if they found all that shit. I'm

1036
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: sure he's been charged, right or no that they haven't

1037
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 1: sorted all that out yet. Judicial proceedings are pending. Sociopath

1038
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: m okay, Yannie, what do you think about hunting aasi

1039
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: old the turkeys? Hmmm, he only got one, I got thirty?

1040
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 1: Well what did What did you want to say about

1041
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 1: the intererest thing about the well by the turkeys having

1042
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 1: mating and having sex. Yeah, well we saw some interesting

1043
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:58,440
Speaker 1: mating activity during my turkey hunt. Yeah, which we'll get to. Yeah,

1044
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: we'll hit on it when it comes out. Top level.

1045
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: What I find interesting about them, um, very fickle turkeys

1046
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: around when they want a gobble silent bobs. Man, it's

1047
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 1: not just a high pressure low pressure thing, which seems

1048
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: to be most places we hunt. You know, you don't

1049
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: mean an atmospheric pressure. Yeah, Oh, I'm sorry when you

1050
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: say pressure. Oh yeah, obviously hunting pressure messes with them too.

1051
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: But you know, it seems like most places we hunt,

1052
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: if it's high pressure, you feel like you're gonna hear

1053
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: more gobbles, and low pressure you'll hear hear less. But

1054
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: here the clouds and the fog and how much sun

1055
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: they can see in the morning really seem to affect them.

1056
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: First morning we're out, you know, amazing gobbling, amazing scout.

1057
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: We're scouting, scouting the day before season, right right, sunny morning.

1058
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: Sound like a gunfight out there. I kept talking. Maybe

1059
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 1: it's directly related to how many Skeeter bites you get.

1060
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: That was the worst Skeeter morning. Yeah, the worst Skeeter morning.

1061
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. The mosquitoes are bad, the goblin's good.

1062
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 1: And that was a scout day. It was not a

1063
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 1: hunt day. No one hunted those birds in the next day.

1064
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: Silent Bob, that was that a no? That was his

1065
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: beak zipping shot, not a go on. Honest, you know,

1066
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: I'm I was already a super slam holder. You were,

1067
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: so there's no sense me. You know everybody knows. Everybody knows. Uh, yes,

1068
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 1: I'm some kind of slam holder. Now that I got

1069
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 1: my asciol of I don't know which one Grand Slam,

1070
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 1: Grand Slam, Super Slam was. When I go get my golds, right,

1071
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: they're da. I became a two times Super Slam Older's

1072
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: first I've heard of this two times Superlam holder, right,

1073
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 1: which I could easily catch up to you if tomorrow morning, No,

1074
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 1: you'd become a two time Grand Slam holder. Well, I know,

1075
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: but then in a year's time when I go to Mexico,

1076
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: Mexico is two bird kind of a hunt. It might

1077
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 1: all be dead by that. I don't know. Well, how

1078
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: about this, Yanni, this is your opportunity to be the

1079
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: first one to be a single Slam, single season Slam holder.

1080
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. I could hold that over Steve for

1081
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: a long time. Steve's expressions he doesn't like there's a

1082
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: prospect of this interview the old turkey. I'm not here

1083
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: to have a big old, not here to have a

1084
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 1: big old. You started it measuring mead measuring contest here man,

1085
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 1: big snood swinging contest. I'm gonna face Steve up my

1086
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: feet right on killee. Look how big those feet are.

1087
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,719
Speaker 1: I'll also remind you, Steve that on this trip Yanni

1088
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: had the bird with the biggest beard, m m M.

1089
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: Steve's bird. We went to put it into the check

1090
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: station and the guy that checked the burden, he said masculated.

1091
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 1: He said, uh, just a little guy. It was a

1092
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: long beard. Thought listen. I didn't shoot when when he

1093
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: was coming, I was like, it was too early in

1094
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 1: the hunt for Jake. I got nothing against shooting Jake's

1095
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: and shooting Jake's legal in Florida. I saw his head

1096
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: coming through the grass and I was like, I want

1097
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: if that's a long beard. You said legal, right, it's no.

1098
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,719
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's permissible to shoot at Jake in Florida.

1099
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: I am not above shooting Jake's. I'll shoot Jake's um

1100
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 1: like a last day Jake. Great by me. Are you

1101
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: are you posed to Uh? It's complicated, Okay. My first

1102
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:11,679
Speaker 1: bird was a Jake, So I wouldn't I wouldn't say

1103
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm completely opposed to it. But I feel like, once

1104
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: you're into turkeys, I don't know why you'd shoot a Jake.

1105
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 1: You everything about trimming your beard down, so it's just

1106
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: so it's just a big turkey long beard. If you

1107
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 1: take about three quarters of that beard got a Jake

1108
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: going on. Now, so you did it once, someone't do

1109
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: it again. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just like, you know, you know,

1110
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: here's the check of the box. But but let me

1111
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: bring that back. That's at home, right, Like maybe if

1112
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: I was out traveling and I had like a trip,

1113
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: that's like, oh I got three days, I got four days.

1114
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: On the fourth day of turkeys in front of me, things,

1115
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: might I might think differently. Yeah, so I'm like, no,

1116
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: Jake's at home. Well, here's a weird thing people do. Like,

1117
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 1: this is a weird logic thing people do. People that

1118
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: are opposed to killing Jake's for you listeners at home,

1119
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: they don't have an idy what we're talking about. We're

1120
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: talking about an adolescent or one year old turkey. So

1121
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: you hunt turkey's in the spring. Jake is a male

1122
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: bird that was born the spring before he's one year old.

1123
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: He'll have a beard, you know, one two three inches long, um,

1124
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: and he don't have any spurs. He's got little nubb ands.

1125
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,839
Speaker 1: He's got a little warts where his spurs will eventually develop.

1126
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: People that don't like it, don't the people that are

1127
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: opposed to shooting Jake's so like, well, you're shooting the

1128
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: bird that will become a long beard spike. Okay. Well,

1129
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you know, a really good way of

1130
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: getting rid of a long beard is to kill him.

1131
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: It's like to be like, oh no, in another year,

1132
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: if it's still alive, it will have turned into a

1133
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: long beard. It's like, well, the long beard is a

1134
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 1: long beard right now. If you want more long beards,

1135
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: don't shoot the long beard. That's a great way to

1136
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: have more long beards. There's also the argument that like

1137
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 1: a jake's stupid, right, or stupider than the gobbler. Yeah,

1138
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: so it's like it's easy. I don't have listened. I don't.

1139
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm all for if I if I had my pick,

1140
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 1: like I said, I said, I remember, I was like,

1141
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 1: I'm not above it, but I wasn't ready yet. I

1142
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure it had a beard. I saw

1143
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: I had a long beard. But tomorrow see what happens.

1144
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: We got we have two turkey takes. We have a

1145
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 1: turkey tag that's good for we have like a turkey

1146
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 1: tag that was good for a wildlife a state wildlife

1147
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: management area. It's like a public land turkey tag. And

1148
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 1: then we have a turkey take that's good for a

1149
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: private land turkey. Take if tomorrow I was presented with

1150
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: an opportunity on a jake, I would take the jake

1151
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: because I like eating turkeys. I got a question. I

1152
01:18:55,560 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 1: wouldn't give you a hard time. Jake can breed, right, Yeah. Anyways,

1153
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: I shot a long beard. He had bigne spurs, and

1154
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 1: we checked it in. The person tried to emasculate me

1155
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: and said it was little. It's fine, it's fine if

1156
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 1: you're one er. The osti Ola turkey ranges, like the

1157
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: biggest one the WMA checked in was twenty point five pounds,

1158
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: which was an exceptional burden because you had Will looked

1159
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: to me like a very respectable burden. He was, what eighteen? Right?

1160
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 1: Did you the low end? Was there anything? Steves? He

1161
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 1: definitely thought mine was on the low end at thirteen.

1162
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: Yours only was at thirteen? Was it fifteen or thirteen thirteen? Yeah? Wow,

1163
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: that's quite interesting that there's a five pound difference, and

1164
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: that was with the guts in it. Yeah, mine was

1165
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:54,640
Speaker 1: on gutted to eighteen and a half five No, no,

1166
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 1: mine was sixteen. Let me take that back, but still

1167
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 1: five pounds range. You know, it's interesting. And this bird

1168
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: had developed sharp spurs. Inches. No, he no, richards were inch.

1169
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: Remember he measured inch yeah, um, I think he said

1170
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 1: three quarter inch when he measured mine. I can't remember.

1171
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 1: Well John's one was inch, one was three quarter Yeah.

1172
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: Well he had a weird one of his spurs was weird.

1173
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: It looked like a head broke at some point or something.

1174
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: It was like kind of even turned. So their fickle

1175
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:35,560
Speaker 1: on the fickle on goblin smaller than mid like midwestern

1176
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: eastern and uh man, you know people are gonna say,

1177
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 1: oh no, it's just whatever. You might even disagree here,

1178
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 1: but the gobble is definitely different. In between that, the

1179
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 1: the humidity i'd like and the weather, not only what

1180
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 1: they sound like, but what my own calls sound like

1181
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 1: and how far they travel avel and it took me.

1182
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm still figuring out, Like it's hard to say

1183
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: exactly how far those birds were. Now I'm thinking the

1184
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: first morning, I think I overran one because I was

1185
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: looking back to my listening spots where I ended up,

1186
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm twelve hundred yards awake. There's no

1187
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: way I was here in this Turkey m You got

1188
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: a good point about that. Vegetation has a huge impact

1189
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 1: on that here, Yeah, because you could be like a

1190
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 1: bird could be inside a hammock and you could be

1191
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: three hundred yards away and not here. Tell people what

1192
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:37,560
Speaker 1: a hammock is, Richard, hammock is, it's basically an ecology

1193
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: of higher elevation that like supports oak trees, cabbage palms.

1194
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 1: It's just a drier environment where basically it's it's dry

1195
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 1: all year round. So it changes depending on like the

1196
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: hydro periods, Like what kind of ecology pine island a

1197
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 1: hammock or a prairie or whatnot. So hammock is basically

1198
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: like our so vegetation comes very dense, a lot of

1199
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 1: tree cover and squirrels. Squirrels, yep, and it does. It's

1200
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 1: not like necessary hill it could. It's like it's that

1201
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's sort of like what defines uh,

1202
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: Southern Florida is just like it's not a you know,

1203
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:25,799
Speaker 1: ecology doesn't change in thousands of feet, it changes in inches,

1204
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: like complete change. You can't see the elevation change anyway,

1205
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's there is different. Sure, look at the

1206
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 1: different plants and like, yeah, that's a foot lower. So

1207
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: so if he's if he's out overlooking a prairie or

1208
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 1: in some thin pines, you could hear him from a

1209
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: mile away, especially if he's like on the edge of

1210
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: a big prairie. That whole prairie just works like an

1211
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 1: echo chamber and it just projects that gobble. But like

1212
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 1: I said, inside a hammock, I mean, you could be

1213
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: standing right outside that and you're like that go was

1214
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 1: like I mean I and the cypress domes as well.

1215
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: They kind of act in the same manner. Eats the gobble. Yeah,

1216
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: it eats the gobble up unless he's on the edge

1217
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: of it over the water. But if he's inside that dome,

1218
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I've had I've had one bird

1219
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:22,600
Speaker 1: that I hear that guy. I'm like, man, that's far away,

1220
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 1: and I call him again, and all of a sudden,

1221
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 1: the next guy was I'm like, oh no, like sit down,

1222
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just eats up that sound. So

1223
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 1: it's it's very like you have to like kind of

1224
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: gauge not only distance, but like what they're in, Like

1225
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 1: what are you looking out across, you know, and you

1226
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 1: can say, like there's this hammock there, and like we

1227
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 1: had that one situation where we heard that bird way off,

1228
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 1: and from where we were at, we're like, man, is

1229
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 1: that across the prairie or on our side? Like you

1230
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: couldn't even tell till you got around the island we

1231
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: were on, Like once we had the island behind us,

1232
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 1: then we were like, oh, it's all the way across

1233
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:08,839
Speaker 1: the prairie, which then we tried to cross the prairie

1234
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's a good point. That's a lot of

1235
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: times listening to critters, I feel like it's that way.

1236
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 1: You had to get close enough to then source it

1237
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: m to go, oh yeah, okay, now I know no,

1238
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 1: but that's not always the case here because, like like

1239
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 1: I said, with like those thin pines, if if if

1240
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,759
Speaker 1: what everything in front of you is those thin pines,

1241
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: you can also gauge that differently, Like I've I've put

1242
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: pins on birds that I've heard from way off and

1243
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: it's three quarter of a mile and I get there

1244
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 1: and he's right there at three quarter of a mile.

1245
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: You know, it's just like it just changes relative to

1246
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 1: the to the habitat and ecology. So and it must.

1247
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: I mean I think that the humidity in the air

1248
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: and how far and the wind right right wind's going

1249
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: at your back be harder to hear them, because that's

1250
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: one of the things I think we might have missed

1251
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: out on. Like yesterday morning, we didn't we didn't really

1252
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:05,680
Speaker 1: look at which direction the wind was going in, and

1253
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,600
Speaker 1: like where we had set up was basically not in

1254
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 1: favor of where the birds were, So there could have

1255
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 1: been more that we weren't hearing because the wind at

1256
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: our back behind us. I haven't been hearing any birds

1257
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 1: roosted in air. Everything was in front of us, so

1258
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 1: and you know, I didn't even think that morning to

1259
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,919
Speaker 1: take a look at that. So but it has an impact.

1260
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 1: You guys did good, Yeah, I mean, oh, Richard put

1261
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: us on him. You guys did really good. I've been

1262
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: out here the last five weekends before season, and three

1263
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: of which I camped. So I was here, you know, Saturday,

1264
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: Friday through Sunday. So how hard would you if if

1265
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 1: if you weren't hosting US, you just still scouted. Would

1266
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have scouted? Camped? Yeah? I probably just do

1267
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 1: like one day a weekend, So I probably would have

1268
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 1: just hit it on a Saturday day and then hit

1269
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 1: a different area on a Sunday. But I basically, you know,

1270
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday, I called took us off. Man, Well,

1271
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 1: I wasn't scouting for one person, scouting for three people.

1272
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 1: So I called him up before we did this, and

1273
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 1: I said, it's like, how are you feeling about it?

1274
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:20,719
Speaker 1: What are the chances? You know we're gonna get some birds?

1275
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 1: And he was like, well, I basically kill a turkey

1276
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 1: every opening weekend. But I'm worried about four people, you know,

1277
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 1: the film. He was real worried about having four people

1278
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 1: in there with with us fallen. You know, I told

1279
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 1: me the quiet, professionals is it's I mean, as you

1280
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 1: guys found out, you know, very thick vegetation, a lot

1281
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 1: of noise, like a lot of things can make too

1282
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 1: much noise, especially you multiply that times four. Yeah, it's

1283
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 1: uh yeah yeah, but it wasn't a different than what

1284
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 1: we've encountered. Yeah, fast No. And I after having spent

1285
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 1: this week with all you guys, like I realized that

1286
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, you guys all knew, like you're all aware

1287
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 1: of that, and my fears and my anxiety that I'd

1288
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 1: spoken to you about before. It's just my I've never

1289
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 1: filmed a hunt, right, I've I've taken people out who

1290
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 1: are like new to hunting or you know, they're like, hey,

1291
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to figure this out, like yeah,

1292
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 1: let's go scout whatever. And you know, I take them

1293
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 1: out and it's through the water and crack stepping on

1294
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 1: palm trees, you know. And so that's just in my

1295
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 1: head of like my experience of you know, being with people,

1296
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 1: because I spend most of my time alone out there.

1297
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: So but it was, you know, it was really nice

1298
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: to hunt, you know, to be with you guys, to

1299
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 1: be with guys who like are that conscious or like

1300
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 1: that present of like sound and like movement and like,

1301
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, all of that, because I'm usually the guy

1302
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: like stop, you know, and it was it was nice

1303
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 1: to be in that company. Well you still had to

1304
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 1: give us some tips on how to walk through the water.

1305
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:02,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it really helped tip. Coincidentally or not coincidentally,

1306
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 1: we're approaching a bird, getting closer. We had been calling

1307
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 1: at him at probably four hundred yards. He was answering.

1308
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:13,679
Speaker 1: We decided he was on the other side of a slew.

1309
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 1: We were like, well, let's get closer anyways, and just

1310
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, get on top of him. As closer we

1311
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 1: can't see what we can make happen. And we got

1312
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,719
Speaker 1: to that whatever it was one hundred and fifty yards

1313
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 1: and had to go through some water to get there,

1314
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:30,719
Speaker 1: and he never gobbled again, like big old gator coming. Yeah.

1315
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: What's the tip if we're all your foot Yeah, don't

1316
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: don't like any kind of foot slapping noise on the water. Yeah,

1317
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: if you step down on the water, you're just gonna

1318
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 1: clap it, you know, just clap, clap as your foot's

1319
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 1: coming down on the water. So when you're walking through

1320
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: the water, you gotta you know, hit with the heel

1321
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 1: and just roll and even like I'll even go as

1322
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 1: far as like do it on an angle, so my

1323
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 1: foot my feet will almost be like turned in and

1324
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 1: just kind of like you know, walking like that and

1325
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 1: like you know, yeah, yeah. The loudest noise is then

1326
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 1: the water coming off your boot and hitting back down

1327
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 1: on the water, which is probably as close as you're

1328
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: gonna get to a deer walking through the water. So

1329
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 1: and we could hear the turkeys walking through water as

1330
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 1: a big indicator, which we would be way louder than that.

1331
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 1: You guys heard turkeys walking through the water. First morning,

1332
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 1: we had a hand go through the puddle that was

1333
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 1: on the road that we'd set up on we could hear,

1334
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 1: so go on with to tell to everybody about what happened. Uh,

1335
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 1: just my whole hunting story here, because yours is better

1336
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 1: than ours. We just we killed a couple of silent bobs.

1337
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 1: M No, my honest silent bob too. You get to

1338
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: watch them do all kinds of cool stuff. Yeah. Well,

1339
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 1: and what's really cool about it? You got you saw

1340
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 1: some love making. Well yeah, and I think probably the

1341
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 1: most the coolest part about it is that I was

1342
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 1: able to use some turkey woodsman ship. And even though

1343
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: I knew, you know, Richard had given me the scouting

1344
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 1: morning we had heard a bird in this area, didn't

1345
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 1: go after him, didn't get any closer, just had heard

1346
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: him gobble a few times. And then the first morning

1347
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 1: a hunting we ended up just doing a loop out

1348
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: into this zone. And we get out into the Giant prairie.

1349
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 1: It's late in the day. It's like eleven eleven thirty

1350
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 1: Giant prairie. We're walking down a road on the edge

1351
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 1: of the prairie and it's hot, I mean, coming on,

1352
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 1: it's eighty plus. We're thinking about hitting the pool. We're

1353
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 1: enjoying the breeze that's now in the opening. After we

1354
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 1: just had walked through a hammock for a quarter mile

1355
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 1: or a half mile or whatever, and I'm looking at

1356
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 1: the ground like man, bunch of turkey tracks. You know,

1357
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:52,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't a good enough woodsman at that moment to

1358
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: be like slow dawn and start looking for turkeys. And

1359
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: we took five more steps and like, don't get down,

1360
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 1: and we didn't bump them hard. But when I peeked

1361
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 1: back up over the grass, I didn't like I could

1362
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 1: see him mosey and off. You know, they saw it

1363
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: just enough to mosey them off. But mark the location.

1364
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:16,759
Speaker 1: Mark at the time of day, and I said, okay,

1365
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 1: well tomorrow, if it's eleven thirty, now I'll be here

1366
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 1: by ten. And now I'm just gonna be hanging out

1367
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,839
Speaker 1: waiting if you guys like to do this thing daily.

1368
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 1: And the other thing I liked about that spot was

1369
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 1: we hadn't seen boot tracks. We'd seen boot tracks of

1370
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 1: other places, but that place no boot tracks, no trail cameras,

1371
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 1: so it seemed like it was a little untouched. Next

1372
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: day we have kind of what I just described. We

1373
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 1: chased some birds in the morning. They gobbled all right,

1374
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 1: but they were across the slow couldn't get on them.

1375
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 1: And then we make the move over there we get

1376
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:50,599
Speaker 1: to where I want to set up. And Richard didn't

1377
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: quite like it. In this gap was too sunny, didn't

1378
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 1: really have a lot of shade to hide. Yeah, that

1379
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 1: was that's a hot tip of his. He don't like

1380
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 1: that tracks he wants because here he got so much

1381
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 1: good stuff to hide him. Yeah, you don't want to

1382
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 1: get picked off. Get into the dank, you know, like

1383
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 1: you have fabrics of your clothes will just shine. That's

1384
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 1: anywhere you always want to set up in the shape.

1385
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, I know, but here you really can

1386
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 1: hunker in. Yeah, I mean, like you know, if you're

1387
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 1: hunting grasslands studded with ponderosa pines. Yeah, there's no place

1388
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 1: to hide out there. You know. It's like it's just

1389
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 1: different than here. I mean, you can you can nestle in,

1390
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, you can. You can nestle in too much,

1391
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:28,759
Speaker 1: you can't see anything. And you can always just cut

1392
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 1: one maybe two of those salt palmetto branches, I don't

1393
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: know what you call them, salt palmettos. Yeah, and and

1394
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: just they're perfect. They gotta if you cut it at

1395
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 1: an angle a little state. Yeah, it just right, and

1396
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean boom. You got ground blinds somewhat like a

1397
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like a palm frond frond. Yeah,

1398
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 1: that's that. We can make a quick little blind out

1399
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 1: of palm fronds. Yeah. And uh so you kind of

1400
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: move around a corner. It's a smaller prairie that's connected

1401
01:32:57,080 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: to a bigger, bigger prairie by the thirty yard gap

1402
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,880
Speaker 1: of hammocky trees. And then there's kind of a road

1403
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 1: parallel in the both of them. So we come in

1404
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 1: on the side road and finally we find one spot.

1405
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 1: It's two covered up in poison ivy. So we moved

1406
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 1: down the road a little bit, find another spot again.

1407
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: Getting late in the day, everybody's kind of losing their edge,

1408
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 1: and we get in there, break some branches, do some

1409
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 1: things set up. We got Seth and Garrett with us

1410
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:34,720
Speaker 1: and snack bar time, have some snacks, some water. I

1411
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 1: kept telling Garrett, just like, let me know when you're

1412
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:38,680
Speaker 1: all tucked in and ready, because we're gonna give a

1413
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: couple of calls and we gotta be like ready to

1414
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 1: not move when it's go time. You know, we're gonna

1415
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 1: give it an hour here and see what happens. And

1416
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 1: he says he's ready. Seth's ready. We're all set up.

1417
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 1: And I don't even get through the first set of

1418
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:01,719
Speaker 1: clucks and a hand starts clucking back at me. Close

1419
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 1: and what pot call are using right now? That was

1420
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 1: the uh I was using that new Morgan Stern green

1421
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 1: slate over teak? Is that what it's called green slate

1422
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: over teak? Something like that? Phelps made, Oh know what

1423
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:21,599
Speaker 1: you're talking about? Yeah, sounds good. And uh Immediately she's

1424
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 1: uh clucking back at me, and I'm like, Garret, he's here,

1425
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: and he's just like, yeah, they're coming down the road.

1426
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy shit, you know, I mean we must

1427
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 1: have just snuck in ahead of him. Yeah, I mean

1428
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 1: bicecke like a little bit later. You just spooked him. Yeah,

1429
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:38,640
Speaker 1: Or had we not just decided to sit there and

1430
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 1: gone fifty more yards down that road, you know, we

1431
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 1: probably would have bumped into him. So here come the

1432
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 1: first couple of hands. One hand kind of eyeballs us.

1433
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:52,799
Speaker 1: We're not that far off the road, ten fifteen yards

1434
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 1: at the closest five yards. She makes it by us,

1435
01:34:57,880 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 1: and as soon as one makes it bias. The day

1436
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:03,439
Speaker 1: four I had seen, Oh so when I when we

1437
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 1: bumped that group, it was a strutter and six or so,

1438
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 1: I thought, six to eight hands. Maybe she makes it

1439
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: by us, and I'm thinking perfect. As long as the

1440
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:16,839
Speaker 1: lead hands by us, everybody else is eventually gonna follow

1441
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 1: her and filter by. So it takes a while here

1442
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 1: come more, but it doesn't take too long. And we

1443
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 1: can hear somewhere off in the jungle. Yeah, it was

1444
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 1: more like, oh man, you can hear it. You could

1445
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 1: hear it so well too. Yeah, it doesn't sound like

1446
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: a wet fart, just like I just like that. So

1447
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:48,640
Speaker 1: so you're spitting a stream at tobacco yet and uh

1448
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 1: so we know there's a strutter in the bunch and

1449
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of time. We just gotta sit

1450
01:35:54,280 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 1: still in on which years Richard, that was a good one.

1451
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 1: That was good A well, I don't know where to

1452
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:18,719
Speaker 1: speed up the story a little bit. There's multiple hands,

1453
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 1: a lost count, but it was probably getting upwards of

1454
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 1: double digits, and really so giant pilot yea all around us.

1455
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 1: We have hands going behind us in the hammock, and

1456
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 1: before we've even seen the gobbler I think now set

1457
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 1: to Garrett were on my left. They saw him long before.

1458
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 1: Had I been in Garrett's sitting spot, I would have

1459
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,439
Speaker 1: shot the turkey at least twenty minutes before I did,

1460
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 1: maybe thirty. They got to sit there and watch the

1461
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 1: show forever. I could just see a you know, tip

1462
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 1: of the fan and the flash of the white head

1463
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 1: here and there they got the show, which is ed

1464
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 1: him out with the butt of my shotgun and boom

1465
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 1: he goes down out of my waye. Yeah, that time,

1466
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 1: probably would have just sat there and been like, whoa's

1467
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 1: that poor guy? People are fighting, one's unconscious, and uh,

1468
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 1: we have a hand behind us. They all out of nowhere.

1469
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:26,880
Speaker 1: She jumps up and flies and almost I mean I

1470
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 1: only she actually cleared, went over the tree that we

1471
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 1: were on, but right next to the cabbage palm that

1472
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 1: we're sitting on. Just flies and then lands five six

1473
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 1: seven yards to do like a micro adjustment. Yeah, She's like,

1474
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm done feeding here, I'm just gonna pop back out

1475
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 1: to the road over us. Just chopped us, and uh

1476
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 1: that was cool. But she landed so close and I

1477
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 1: was looking left, I didn't I couldn't even look right,

1478
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:52,879
Speaker 1: you know, I just had to stay up your head.

1479
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 1: So all this is going on, Sath and uh and

1480
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 1: uh Garret are getting the show. By the show, I

1481
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:09,559
Speaker 1: mean gobblers in their strut his tail off. At one point,

1482
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 1: I think, boy, if I just kind of lean out,

1483
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:15,960
Speaker 1: I had some small salt palmettos on my left. I thought,

1484
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 1: if I just lean out around those, you know, I

1485
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,000
Speaker 1: get on him, I can probably take the shot. But

1486
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 1: he still had a couple of hands around him. I'm like, yeah,

1487
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 1: it seems like I'm gonna push it. There was a

1488
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 1: Jake in that group too, and at one point that

1489
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 1: Jake popped into full strut and that's what brought him

1490
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 1: the closest he came. Because that Jake popped into full

1491
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 1: strut and it pissed him off. He like went racing

1492
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 1: over towards about that. Yeah, that's what brought that turkey

1493
01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:48,520
Speaker 1: the furthest towards us, towards us that he got. Yeah,

1494
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:51,639
Speaker 1: so what also happened, Well, we could hear but couldn't see.

1495
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 1: This is Richard and I listening. Is we could hear

1496
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 1: every now and then like a like a wing flap.

1497
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 1: I could hear him but Seth and Garrett could watch

1498
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 1: him masturbating. They had never seen it, I guess. But

1499
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 1: all we could hear was, I don't know if you're

1500
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:14,599
Speaker 1: hearing that, it'd be like a clap or two. I'm like, man,

1501
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 1: it sounds like there might be like a turkey beating

1502
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 1: another turkey with his wings or something. And then later

1503
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:22,559
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, we saw him there and it looked

1504
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 1: like Seth actually thought you thought it was mating. Yeah.

1505
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:28,799
Speaker 1: So when I first saw it, I could only see

1506
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:31,560
Speaker 1: he was like kind of behind a tree, and I

1507
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 1: could only see like the right side. He was facing

1508
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 1: directly away from me. I could only see like the

1509
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 1: right side of his body, and I could see him

1510
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 1: doing like the little wing flap thing. You know when

1511
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 1: they when they mount a hen and breeder. Yeah, they

1512
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:45,720
Speaker 1: do that little like wing flap thing. I could see

1513
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 1: him doing that, and I could hear him doing it,

1514
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 1: and I actually leaned over to Garrett and I said,

1515
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 1: he's breeding a hen. Was Garrett was Garrett like, turkey,

1516
01:39:55,400 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 1: you're fighting, but he wasn't on top of a but

1517
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:02,479
Speaker 1: and then he did it again in the wide open

1518
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:05,760
Speaker 1: in front of me, and he was not on a hand.

1519
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 1: He was just doing it for funzies or was he

1520
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 1: like yeah, I mean Jake and the Gobbler did it

1521
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 1: at the same did Jake started doing it and the

1522
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 1: gobblers started doing it? Right, He's like like this and

1523
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 1: the Hans didn't want anything to do with the strutter.

1524
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 1: He was trying, but they weren't. Yeah, they were like

1525
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:37,640
Speaker 1: they were like gross. Yeah, they were ready, I guess. Yeah. Anyways,

1526
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 1: the last two birds I think are the I never

1527
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:44,200
Speaker 1: even saw where the jake went because we never got

1528
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 1: pushed back. Yeah, so when that jake went into full

1529
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:51,679
Speaker 1: strut he came around That's when he came the furthest

1530
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:56,360
Speaker 1: um to from our left to right and then work

1531
01:40:56,479 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 1: that jake back around the prairie there to where he

1532
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 1: eventually disappeared. So yeah, hen to me, it almost looks

1533
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 1: like she spooks and goes back down the road and

1534
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:11,639
Speaker 1: the gobbler follows her. I'm like, oh, that's it, it's over.

1535
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:15,639
Speaker 1: But then we could keep hearing them drumming and spitting,

1536
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, seth, what they do? He said they

1537
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 1: went out into the prairie, and we're talking this prairie

1538
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:25,760
Speaker 1: is it's a wet spot, but no big trees on it.

1539
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:32,160
Speaker 1: It's about a hundred yards. It's like a big dish wide. Well, yeah,

1540
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 1: it's not. It does it's not holding water though, maybe

1541
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 1: right in the middle clarify, Yeah, the middle of it

1542
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 1: gets a little deep. So the vegetation right in the

1543
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 1: middle is really tall, so it's not like something like

1544
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 1: you could see across, so that that center of it

1545
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:49,680
Speaker 1: is blocking our view from the turkey. So it's like

1546
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:54,840
Speaker 1: a reverse you know, like almost like a donut. But yeah,

1547
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 1: we can just hear him, and he keeps drumming and spinning,

1548
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:00,600
Speaker 1: drumming and spinning, and finally, Richard, it's like, man, I

1549
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 1: think he might pop out right here in front of us,

1550
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 1: but at a distance, because he's going around the long

1551
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 1: the backside of this prairie, and uh, all of sudden

1552
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:14,919
Speaker 1: Richard sees him. I can see him. I can't see him,

1553
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:19,840
Speaker 1: but then there's there's his fan, and I'm like, all right,

1554
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm on him. He's and he's I think he's actually

1555
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 1: coming to us at that point, just a little bit,

1556
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 1: maybe a little on an angle. The first thing I

1557
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 1: saw was the white head through the grass. And as

1558
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:33,000
Speaker 1: soon as I saw that flash of white just kind

1559
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:35,640
Speaker 1: of bobbing through the grass. I was like, I see him,

1560
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 1: and I think you said something like where or where

1561
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:39,559
Speaker 1: or where? And then his fan went up and you're like,

1562
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 1: oh there, because you were calling intermittently as well, No,

1563
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:49,599
Speaker 1: we had I didn't. I didn't call until he was

1564
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: he was in this gap and we were about to

1565
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:56,679
Speaker 1: lose sight of him again, and he was about midway

1566
01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 1: through the gap, and I did, I ask you should

1567
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 1: I call him? Like heck yo? So I hit him

1568
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:06,559
Speaker 1: with the you know what what what? What? In his head?

1569
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 1: Just yeah, he did the periscope of a periscopes. I

1570
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:13,120
Speaker 1: mean you could barely see his head on the tops

1571
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 1: of that vegetation when he periscoped. I mean it looked

1572
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:18,600
Speaker 1: like there was a solid foot he was on the

1573
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 1: head and neck. Yeah. Yeah, maybe he did stretch up

1574
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 1: his legs. He was all the way up. But then

1575
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 1: you said shoot him and I'm looking at him. I'm like,

1576
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:32,639
Speaker 1: I think he's out of range. And then Richard said

1577
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 1: something like, well, you pattern that gun, didn't you. And

1578
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:41,720
Speaker 1: I took that to mean like, dude, shoot him and

1579
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 1: it was a poke he's or did we even did

1580
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 1: we talk about how far the distance was? Yeah, before

1581
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:50,519
Speaker 1: I shot. Yeah, I said, I feel like it's the fifties. Yeah,

1582
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:54,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, sounds good to me. So I touched off

1583
01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 1: and roll him. But I took off after him, and

1584
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:01,080
Speaker 1: he even though he was flopping, he had that kind

1585
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 1: of flop that wasn't crazy erratic. It was when you

1586
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:07,200
Speaker 1: got near him, he was trying to inch away from you.

1587
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:10,160
Speaker 1: So even though he doesn't even have his neck with

1588
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:13,599
Speaker 1: him anymore, he's got something enough in his head where

1589
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:15,800
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm trying to get away from that big thing.

1590
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:18,800
Speaker 1: It's towering over me right now. Man. So those number

1591
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:24,439
Speaker 1: nine's at sixty did some work. Rolled him hard. I

1592
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:27,960
Speaker 1: mean I still had to, you know, choke him out,

1593
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:31,240
Speaker 1: but more of that breast can be full of the pellets.

1594
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna know here, surely. But yeah, yeah, we arranged

1595
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:42,720
Speaker 1: it from where I finally stopped. When I got on

1596
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 1: his neck. It was sixty six back to the cabbage palm.

1597
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 1: But I think he had flopped solid five six yards. Yeah,

1598
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 1: he almost chased it a little bit. That's a little poke,

1599
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 1: and it's a megapoke, mega poke. But I don't know.

1600
01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:00,720
Speaker 1: We probably could have let him eat. He's out of

1601
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:02,720
Speaker 1: that prairie. We knew where he was going, and then

1602
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 1: we probably could have made another approach, but we would

1603
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 1: have gone full bushwhack style after that. We would have

1604
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 1: been barely crawling in on him. Yeah, him and him

1605
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:17,120
Speaker 1: and his I felt good though. It was like that periscope,

1606
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:19,880
Speaker 1: the way his head was like so high up like that,

1607
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:23,439
Speaker 1: there was like just so much neck there, right, That's

1608
01:45:23,439 --> 01:45:26,720
Speaker 1: why I felt like I felt confident about that, you know,

1609
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:28,800
Speaker 1: And you've got that red dot on there, like it

1610
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:31,639
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, I didn't in that moment.

1611
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:35,519
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't see you a question in it. Yeah. No,

1612
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:41,600
Speaker 1: I had patterned it at fifty and it had patterned great. Yeah.

1613
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:43,720
Speaker 1: Had I arranged him and it was at sixty, I

1614
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 1: probably would let him go. But you know, it's hard

1615
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 1: to tell fifty additions between fifty and sixty is super

1616
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 1: hard to tell. So totally anyways, dead bird. Yeah, he's

1617
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 1: in the fridge. That's the end of my assie old

1618
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:04,080
Speaker 1: And at that moment I became a grand slam turkey holder.

1619
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:07,880
Speaker 1: You know what quote I heard the other day? Nope,

1620
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:14,120
Speaker 1: roost it ain't roasted. Nope, No, not your first time

1621
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:17,320
Speaker 1: here in that one? Had you heard that before many

1622
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:20,200
Speaker 1: a time. I like that. You didn't you've never heard,

1623
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:23,200
Speaker 1: you know. I just wrote a quote earlier today. I

1624
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:26,920
Speaker 1: like this. It's called I was criticizing these boys fishing

1625
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 1: in the river down here. I said, you're fishing the

1626
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 1: way you wish the world was, not the way it is,

1627
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:40,200
Speaker 1: which means we're targeting large mount bash and not throwing

1628
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 1: crawls and not sinking chicken legs down there for a

1629
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:52,160
Speaker 1: big catfish. Yeah, I see, ye're in Florida. You gotta

1630
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 1: you gotta try and catch it down there, trying to

1631
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:57,680
Speaker 1: catch a trent ten pound northern on and these like

1632
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 1: ten inch large mount as, not norther sorry, large mouth,

1633
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:05,759
Speaker 1: fullmouth bass, bucket mouth, trying to catch a big bucket

1634
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:08,000
Speaker 1: mouth and they come back with nothing. And I'm like,

1635
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:09,479
Speaker 1: I tell you one thing, if I was down on

1636
01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:12,519
Speaker 1: that dock, I'd catch a fish because I'd put a

1637
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 1: crawl arounder a bob or and I'd find out just

1638
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:18,120
Speaker 1: what was living there. And he motivated that to happen.

1639
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:22,320
Speaker 1: Chris went down there and caught it himself a couple

1640
01:47:22,439 --> 01:47:25,280
Speaker 1: to lappy while we've been state record baby, Yeah, he

1641
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 1: thinks he has a state record, which great so I

1642
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:30,600
Speaker 1: went to Lapia. We're gonna end the show, but I'll

1643
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:35,920
Speaker 1: end on this. Um. I went to Lapia. Bow fish

1644
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:40,920
Speaker 1: in the yard night Nokchobe and they dig a bed.

1645
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:43,639
Speaker 1: You've seen it, Yanny, because you meet bow fish before.

1646
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:46,600
Speaker 1: They'd dig a bed the lakes of which I have

1647
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:50,200
Speaker 1: never seen. It's amazing. I mean it looks like a

1648
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:53,680
Speaker 1: bomb went off under water. Not only is it the

1649
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,519
Speaker 1: side like you know what someone says, the size of

1650
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:59,200
Speaker 1: a bushel basket you want when I when my kids

1651
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 1: get older, i'd tell something being like a bushel basket.

1652
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 1: They're probably can know what I'm talking about. Yeah, it's

1653
01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:07,680
Speaker 1: not off. It's barely relevant now to most people I know,

1654
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:10,400
Speaker 1: But I grew up, man, you'd go buy tomatoes, you'd

1655
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:13,840
Speaker 1: buy like a pack, a bushel basket or a pack.

1656
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 1: You know. So yeah, it's barely relevant now. But for

1657
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 1: you old timers who grew up going with your mom

1658
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 1: down and picking ship picking pay produce places, it's a

1659
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 1: bushel basket in diameter, and they dig that sun bitch

1660
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:36,800
Speaker 1: half a bushel basket deep for their eggs or oh yeah,

1661
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:39,320
Speaker 1: and they clean it out. Are they trying to get

1662
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 1: through the muck? To get some. They clean it down

1663
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:43,840
Speaker 1: and they clean it out, and even at night when

1664
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 1: you're going along, it's like they just stand out and

1665
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 1: you might look at the night we are out, you

1666
01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:53,800
Speaker 1: might look at eight or nine empty ones. I think

1667
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:56,639
Speaker 1: a lot of those the fish already skidded out because

1668
01:48:56,640 --> 01:49:01,720
Speaker 1: it's just surrounded by dense vegetation. So when they slide out,

1669
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 1: they like slide out. You might you might catch a

1670
01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:08,280
Speaker 1: little movement where he's hitting the weeds, you know, but

1671
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 1: he's gone. But every whatever, eight nine, ten of those beds,

1672
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:14,639
Speaker 1: he's just sitting on there. And if you're not right

1673
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:18,960
Speaker 1: over the top of them with your bow, it's fun.

1674
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:25,240
Speaker 1: Man is the tlopia? What's it related to? It's a

1675
01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:29,519
Speaker 1: cyclid cicklid? Is that right? Oh? Man Chester, looked that up.

1676
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:32,360
Speaker 1: My phone's over there. I got you, I got you.

1677
01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 1: It's a cyclid. I think it's a sicklid ci ci

1678
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:39,280
Speaker 1: c h l I D. They are native I know

1679
01:49:39,320 --> 01:49:41,799
Speaker 1: this is their native to the Middle East and North Africa.

1680
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:46,160
Speaker 1: They've been exported all over the world as an aquaculture species.

1681
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:47,680
Speaker 1: One of the things they do with them, and I

1682
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:54,400
Speaker 1: saw this in the Philippines for rotational farming in rice patties.

1683
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:57,400
Speaker 1: You'll like get a crop or whatever number of crops

1684
01:49:57,400 --> 01:50:01,160
Speaker 1: of rice, have a rice patty. You'll then flood that patty,

1685
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:05,920
Speaker 1: put tilappi in it, harvest the tlappie out. But then

1686
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:09,400
Speaker 1: it also like they you know, they fertilize, so you

1687
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 1: run a cycle of tlappie in there, raise those up

1688
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 1: to eating size, eat the tilapia, and then put the

1689
01:50:14,479 --> 01:50:17,640
Speaker 1: rice patty back into rotation. So I saw that a

1690
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:21,480
Speaker 1: long time ago. But they've escaped all over and here

1691
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:27,440
Speaker 1: the big ones are the blue telapia. Incredible abundance of them.

1692
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:32,080
Speaker 1: Non native. It's illegal to have a live one in

1693
01:50:32,120 --> 01:50:36,200
Speaker 1: your possession really, you know, because they take the other water.

1694
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:38,040
Speaker 1: Can't like throw them in a bucket and be like, oh,

1695
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm just bringing them home fresh. If you when he's

1696
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:42,639
Speaker 1: in your possession, he's gotta be dead. And we went

1697
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:44,360
Speaker 1: out both fishing. We were not We were just kind

1698
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:47,280
Speaker 1: of a fly by night deal. We're just fly by

1699
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:48,840
Speaker 1: night and it we didn't have the right lights and everything.

1700
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:52,160
Speaker 1: We're just shooting off headlamps. But tell you what, man,

1701
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:53,960
Speaker 1: if you're fishing, if you want to go gate or

1702
01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:58,240
Speaker 1: hunting or fishing in Okachobee or he does a lot

1703
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:01,400
Speaker 1: of bass fishing, a lot of bass guiding, bass fishing.

1704
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:08,280
Speaker 1: Captain Bobby Stafford. Hell of a nice guy. We we

1705
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:10,160
Speaker 1: we were doing a different I don't want to get

1706
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:11,760
Speaker 1: into what we were actually doing. We're doing a whole

1707
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 1: different project. But it got to go both fishing with

1708
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:15,800
Speaker 1: that guy for a night. Yeah, Craig, if you're in

1709
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:16,880
Speaker 1: this area and you want to have a hell of

1710
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:19,559
Speaker 1: a good time and and go gator hunting. He does

1711
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:22,760
Speaker 1: gator trips for trophy gators, like trophy gators being ten

1712
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:26,599
Speaker 1: plus gators. Large mouth, does a lot of that. When

1713
01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:28,559
Speaker 1: I was with him, he booked a client for large mouth.

1714
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:33,320
Speaker 1: Um does a lot of large mouth fishing. And I

1715
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:34,600
Speaker 1: don't know what. I don't even know what all the

1716
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:37,479
Speaker 1: hell he does. He's got regular boats, does croppie fishing,

1717
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:41,400
Speaker 1: he's got regular boats, he's got airboats. Um, if you

1718
01:51:41,439 --> 01:51:43,880
Speaker 1: ask him real nice, maybe he'll take you out for Tilapia.

1719
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:45,600
Speaker 1: It's not a normal deal. We just happened to go

1720
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:49,719
Speaker 1: for Telapia. Captain Bobby Stafford, Bob Stafford. Everybody calls him. Yeah,

1721
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:53,640
Speaker 1: Bob Stafford, you were right. It is a cyclid cicklid

1722
01:51:54,240 --> 01:52:00,760
Speaker 1: delicious grilled. Listen, man, I thought it pretty good. It

1723
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:02,200
Speaker 1: was all right, but not as good as it would

1724
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:04,160
Speaker 1: have been if you'd have fried it. And if you

1725
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:06,240
Speaker 1: get it to lapping, you want to eat it. Get

1726
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 1: the blue, get the red muscle off it, trim it nice,

1727
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:14,519
Speaker 1: and fry that sucker until there's no bubbles coming out

1728
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:16,600
Speaker 1: of your almost so there's no bubbles coming out of

1729
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:24,880
Speaker 1: your deep fryer m heavy fry, and that heavy fry

1730
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:27,479
Speaker 1: firms it up, firms it up, and it gets rid

1731
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:30,720
Speaker 1: of that ever so slight muddy taste. And apparently I

1732
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:32,360
Speaker 1: was reading. When I was reading up on these your dad,

1733
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 1: I gave hi an extensive read up. I don't know how.

1734
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:38,040
Speaker 1: When in the aqua culture facilities, Oh, I'll tell you

1735
01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:41,160
Speaker 1: a little fact, they'll lit'll you won't little surprise you'll

1736
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:43,280
Speaker 1: you'll you'll you won't be wondering why you listen to

1737
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:46,240
Speaker 1: this show after you hear this, because you learn all this.

1738
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:54,599
Speaker 1: The fourth most consumed fish by pounds consumed per person

1739
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:59,439
Speaker 1: in the United States of America. However, they do a

1740
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:07,679
Speaker 1: broad grouping shrimp as part of that shrimp's number one. Yeah,

1741
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:10,639
Speaker 1: and lord knows how many species of shrimp, but there's

1742
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:18,040
Speaker 1: multiple species of tilapia. So like shrimp, tuna, salmon, tilapia

1743
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:24,040
Speaker 1: pounds consume per person per year in the US of A.

1744
01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:27,080
Speaker 1: That'd be a good trivia question. Oh dude, I know

1745
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 1: I blew it. Maybe you can still use it, all right, Everyboddy.

1746
01:53:30,680 --> 01:53:33,880
Speaker 1: If you're listening to game on Sockers and that comes up,

1747
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:35,800
Speaker 1: you'll know where that came from. Hey, wait, I did

1748
01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:39,000
Speaker 1: I have one follow up? That dog's tongue was seventeen

1749
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:43,800
Speaker 1: inches long? But Gene Simmons was it Jean Simmons dog?

1750
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:46,920
Speaker 1: What state? Was it from? Michigan? That's what I thought

1751
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:53,840
Speaker 1: you'd be interested. There's a boxer seventeen inches long, Richard.

1752
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:55,880
Speaker 1: Anything we missed that you want to add about your

1753
01:53:56,240 --> 01:53:59,000
Speaker 1: beautiful little part of the United State? It's of America.

1754
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 1: You got down here? Well, I heard once, Steve you

1755
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:06,960
Speaker 1: said on a podcast that was you were reflecting on

1756
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:11,400
Speaker 1: your your last experience hunting down here turkeys, and you

1757
01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:15,160
Speaker 1: had been I believed private land like pasture type land,

1758
01:54:15,680 --> 01:54:20,960
Speaker 1: and that that property boarded up to WMA, and you

1759
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:24,559
Speaker 1: had said that side of the fence it was a

1760
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:26,640
Speaker 1: lot different than the side of the fence we were

1761
01:54:26,680 --> 01:54:28,800
Speaker 1: on and you wanted to know what was that on

1762
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:35,000
Speaker 1: that side? That wasn't a WMA. That was aha. It

1763
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:38,919
Speaker 1: was like some kind of like not a refuge system refuge.

1764
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:44,600
Speaker 1: It was some kind of like locally administered waiting bird refuge. Okay, ye,

1765
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 1: not a WMA, so not cattle grazed. I'm glad I

1766
01:54:49,240 --> 01:54:52,560
Speaker 1: got to take you over the side. Yeah, you took

1767
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:54,080
Speaker 1: me to their side of the fence. Yeah, I like

1768
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:57,200
Speaker 1: the better cool. That was great, man, awesome. I love

1769
01:54:57,600 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 1: tons of wildlife, tons of birds, super well managed. Yeah. Yeah,

1770
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:04,400
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of clothes, Like I like

1771
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:08,200
Speaker 1: all those closed roads you gotta walk around. Like when

1772
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:12,000
Speaker 1: you think about wild places and it's it's easy to

1773
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:14,200
Speaker 1: look at something like the Grand Canyon and like the

1774
01:55:14,240 --> 01:55:17,440
Speaker 1: scale of that and like, you know, be impressed, right

1775
01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:21,920
Speaker 1: this grand, big, big stuff and like here everything we

1776
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:26,400
Speaker 1: have is on a micro level, and it's like spending

1777
01:55:26,440 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 1: two three days you start to zoom in and see

1778
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:32,760
Speaker 1: all those little things and kind of see like how

1779
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:37,160
Speaker 1: many layers there are. I'm like how compounded the wildlife

1780
01:55:37,160 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 1: here is and that scale it's completely different. Like once

1781
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:43,880
Speaker 1: you tap into that, you're like wow, you know, yeah,

1782
01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:46,560
Speaker 1: but pounds of life per unit of space is high

1783
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:49,560
Speaker 1: in the water especially, Oh yeah, very high. We didn't

1784
01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:50,920
Speaker 1: even get it all, you know, my whole thing, like

1785
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:53,960
Speaker 1: Florida's for fighting, dude, we didn't even get into all

1786
01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:58,880
Speaker 1: the fighting. That's yeah, that's like another two hours. I

1787
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:02,360
Speaker 1: want to do a preview of the Do you ever

1788
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:07,880
Speaker 1: see that movie Warriors? This movie from the side of

1789
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:11,280
Speaker 1: the late seventies or early eighties, and it's about these

1790
01:56:11,320 --> 01:56:14,160
Speaker 1: all these gangs in New York, like and one of

1791
01:56:14,160 --> 01:56:17,080
Speaker 1: them is like the Clown Gang, one of them the Warriors.

1792
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:20,040
Speaker 1: They all have like have these different themes, right, and

1793
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:23,840
Speaker 1: the Warrior Gang they get into some trouble and and

1794
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:26,160
Speaker 1: they got to make it back and it's just like

1795
01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 1: you know this, how do they get back to Coney Island?

1796
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:32,360
Speaker 1: Like just kind of like all these different gangs like

1797
01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:34,760
Speaker 1: all after each other and all that, And that's like

1798
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:38,200
Speaker 1: kind of like where we're at. Oh my god. Yeah,

1799
01:56:38,200 --> 01:56:40,760
Speaker 1: there's little like I find I could be wrong. I

1800
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:48,200
Speaker 1: found there like very like like in my brief experience

1801
01:56:48,280 --> 01:56:52,800
Speaker 1: talking to people in a wide variety of places, a

1802
01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:56,040
Speaker 1: wide variety of people in Southwest Florida, I was surprised

1803
01:56:56,080 --> 01:57:02,120
Speaker 1: by the factionalism, surprised by the factualism, even right down

1804
01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:04,800
Speaker 1: to like you have like people who are trying to

1805
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:10,240
Speaker 1: do stuff to clean up the estuaries and improve the fisheries.

1806
01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:13,240
Speaker 1: But then the people that live inland are mad at

1807
01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:16,440
Speaker 1: those people because their prescription of how the water should

1808
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:19,360
Speaker 1: be handled is not good for deer hunting. And so

1809
01:57:19,640 --> 01:57:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, I hate them, and I hate them, I

1810
01:57:22,520 --> 01:57:27,240
Speaker 1: hate The problem is the system is so fractured that

1811
01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:31,440
Speaker 1: putting it back together is not simple. And also putting

1812
01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:34,560
Speaker 1: it back together also means that you can't you can't

1813
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:36,400
Speaker 1: put it back to the way it was, Like it's

1814
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:38,040
Speaker 1: not it's not ever going to go back to the

1815
01:57:38,040 --> 01:57:40,280
Speaker 1: way it was. So what it's going to be in

1816
01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:43,680
Speaker 1: the future is something different, something resembling what it was,

1817
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:46,520
Speaker 1: but like a completely new thing. Like what I think

1818
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:51,200
Speaker 1: about is like post wilderness. So the problem with that

1819
01:57:51,400 --> 01:57:54,200
Speaker 1: is that that also involves like a vision of like

1820
01:57:54,280 --> 01:57:57,160
Speaker 1: what that thing is, and there's a lot of different

1821
01:57:57,160 --> 01:58:01,920
Speaker 1: folks like fighting for their version of that vision, you know,

1822
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:05,000
Speaker 1: And I think that's what makes it so hard, because

1823
01:58:05,640 --> 01:58:09,360
Speaker 1: in honest, most of those folks, each one of them

1824
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:13,320
Speaker 1: care for various reasons, each for each one of those

1825
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:18,600
Speaker 1: their their intentions are because of their passion or their

1826
01:58:18,640 --> 01:58:23,680
Speaker 1: love for a place right, But like those values conflict

1827
01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:28,839
Speaker 1: sometimes and there's no like there's not a good place

1828
01:58:29,360 --> 01:58:31,960
Speaker 1: where they all kind of like can come together. And

1829
01:58:32,040 --> 01:58:35,360
Speaker 1: like it's a shame because there was a time, you know,

1830
01:58:35,480 --> 01:58:38,760
Speaker 1: back in the seventies where we almost lost like a

1831
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 1: very large part of this place. And it was only

1832
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:47,520
Speaker 1: because those types of groups, groups that wouldn't normally get along,

1833
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:52,640
Speaker 1: had to because if they didn't, there'd be, you know,

1834
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:55,520
Speaker 1: there'd be no toys for anybody to play with, you know,

1835
01:58:56,120 --> 01:58:58,760
Speaker 1: that whole thing that like, well, if you guys are arguing,

1836
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take your toy, both your toys away, you know,

1837
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:05,960
Speaker 1: and like how can we get back there? You know,

1838
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:08,720
Speaker 1: how do we get back there? When I first was

1839
01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:12,360
Speaker 1: trying to describe the fact the factionalism that I had

1840
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:15,160
Speaker 1: been hearing about, I told Richard it was like when

1841
01:59:15,160 --> 01:59:20,440
Speaker 1: the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan and all the warlords

1842
01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:28,200
Speaker 1: head a jockey. Yeah, and it's it's politicals who has money,

1843
01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:33,320
Speaker 1: who has influenced conservation groups shit talking other conservation groups

1844
01:59:34,440 --> 01:59:38,000
Speaker 1: values of like what the land should be used for

1845
01:59:39,160 --> 01:59:42,360
Speaker 1: is big if we had more time and I and

1846
01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:43,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't wrapping her up. You know what I don't

1847
01:59:43,960 --> 01:59:45,840
Speaker 1: want to talk about too. How you guys are gonna

1848
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:49,000
Speaker 1: get your bear season back? Yeah, well you only had one.

1849
01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:52,120
Speaker 1: It's how you're going to get a bear concluded. It's

1850
01:59:52,160 --> 01:59:57,040
Speaker 1: included in the management plan. The only problem is quote

1851
01:59:57,040 --> 02:00:03,120
Speaker 1: of zero. So it just has to be voted back

1852
02:00:03,160 --> 02:00:04,600
Speaker 1: into in some way or another. I know I was

1853
02:00:04,640 --> 02:00:07,640
Speaker 1: gonna wrap it up. But Florida did a bear hunt

1854
02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:15,280
Speaker 1: and they really underestimated hunter efficacy. They had a quota

1855
02:00:15,480 --> 02:00:18,960
Speaker 1: that was two hundred somewhere on there. Yeah I think

1856
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:26,080
Speaker 1: so too. But they issued five thousand tags and they

1857
02:00:26,080 --> 02:00:29,000
Speaker 1: had a forty eight hours shut off. I think they

1858
02:00:29,120 --> 02:00:31,400
Speaker 1: shut it off once they hit the quota and that

1859
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:35,440
Speaker 1: was two days. But so they were looking to do

1860
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:38,920
Speaker 1: two hundred. People were already all the animal rights people

1861
02:00:38,960 --> 02:00:41,960
Speaker 1: on New Jersey, cat ladies were already all they were

1862
02:00:41,960 --> 02:00:44,720
Speaker 1: already pissed. They were at the check stations already. They

1863
02:00:44,760 --> 02:00:46,920
Speaker 1: turned at hunt on and they got too many, had

1864
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:49,280
Speaker 1: too many tags and that they couldn't fit. They this

1865
02:00:49,640 --> 02:00:57,520
Speaker 1: wildly underestimated hunter efficacy, and man, they opened it up.

1866
02:00:57,720 --> 02:01:00,280
Speaker 1: They couldn't shut it off fast enough. They blew up

1867
02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:03,200
Speaker 1: to three thirty or something like that before they could

1868
02:01:03,200 --> 02:01:09,040
Speaker 1: turn it off day and then that little blunder, basically,

1869
02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:13,640
Speaker 1: that little blunder basically like eliminated any prospect for that.

1870
02:01:17,120 --> 02:01:19,360
Speaker 1: I would have said, like, wow, next time, we should

1871
02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:23,400
Speaker 1: let fewer tags out, but the Florida public said, wow, Hanna,

1872
02:01:25,960 --> 02:01:30,080
Speaker 1: Well that's also Yeah, it also had a huge impact.

1873
02:01:30,080 --> 02:01:33,120
Speaker 1: That two was just who showed up to those commissioned meetings,

1874
02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:37,360
Speaker 1: and unfortunately they showed up more than the hunters did.

1875
02:01:38,160 --> 02:01:39,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into it too much, but

1876
02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm met a person who I was very surprised that

1877
02:01:41,440 --> 02:01:44,680
Speaker 1: he was opposed. I've met a person of influence. I

1878
02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:48,800
Speaker 1: was very surprised to learning he opposed that bear hunt. Yeah,

1879
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:52,880
Speaker 1: it was heartbreaking. It was very painful for a lot

1880
02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:55,800
Speaker 1: of sportsmen down here. They had. He had a perspective

1881
02:01:55,800 --> 02:01:58,720
Speaker 1: that was interesting. He's like, man, we can hunt everything

1882
02:01:58,760 --> 02:02:03,280
Speaker 1: in Florida. No one messes with us. You do this,

1883
02:02:03,560 --> 02:02:06,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna mess with you right now. No one messes

1884
02:02:06,680 --> 02:02:10,520
Speaker 1: with us. We do whatever we want. But you mess

1885
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:15,440
Speaker 1: with that animal and you're gonna invite a lot of attention.

1886
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:19,880
Speaker 1: I told him, I said, I said, I don't agree

1887
02:02:19,920 --> 02:02:25,360
Speaker 1: with that. All right, y'all, thanks for joining Richard, thank you, yeah,

1888
02:02:25,400 --> 02:02:28,440
Speaker 1: oh yeah, thank you man. Noah, it's a long time coming.

1889
02:02:28,760 --> 02:02:31,160
Speaker 1: You did, You did real well by us though. Yeah.

1890
02:02:31,240 --> 02:02:33,840
Speaker 1: Let's go out in good guiding now, it's fun. We'll

1891
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:37,920
Speaker 1: about jump in the pool. Yeah, I gotch go catching fish.

1892
02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, thanks everybody. Oh see you Graan Sean

1893
02:02:55,360 --> 02:03:05,360
Speaker 1: like silvering the sun, right right on, right right on

1894
02:03:06,160 --> 02:03:12,560
Speaker 1: a ride on, sweetheart. We're done, beat this damn horse

1895
02:03:12,640 --> 02:03:16,520
Speaker 1: to death, to take it the new one and ride

1896
02:03:19,880 --> 02:03:25,440
Speaker 1: We're done, beat this damn horse to death, So take

1897
02:03:25,480 --> 02:03:27,760
Speaker 1: your new one and ride on.