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Speaker 3: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is.

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Speaker 2: Balling, break it on, break it on.

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Speaker 3: Swim to the ground by Budda Baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvc.

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Speaker 3: You know what, I think I can actually relate to

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Speaker 3: an NFL GM in one aspect. I know Danny's skeptical

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Speaker 3: right off the top up here. Let me say it

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Speaker 3: this way, Danny, I think I cannot and as far

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Speaker 3: as an NFL GM excels at something, but I think

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Speaker 3: I can relate right now to how an NFL GM

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Speaker 3: might mismanage the draft because I currently have so much

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Speaker 3: info in front of me right now. I mean I

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Speaker 3: have so many reports and rumors in mock drafts, and

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Speaker 3: all the insiders over the last three months that I'm

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Speaker 3: pretty much walking paralysis by analysis right now. I am

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Speaker 3: mismanagement of this Cardinals Underground pre draft edition brought to

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Speaker 3: just add water here on Cardinals Underground, Darren Derman, Danny Sirek,

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Speaker 3: and your Stuly Paul calBC. I mean, I have too

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Speaker 3: much stuff, so much stuff. I don't know where to go.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to say next. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what direction other than to say that I do concur

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Speaker 3: with Jonathan Gannon's quote that he can't wait to see

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Speaker 3: Manti asin Fort work those phones on Thursday night?

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Speaker 4: Is that why you were in Norman, Oklahoma? Because you

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Speaker 4: were still doing all this research and all this prep.

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Speaker 3: You know what, And you're right to my own detriment,

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. Instead of actually getting away from it

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Speaker 3: and having some perspective and coming up, what's what's the

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Speaker 3: line from Friday Night Lights, clear eyes.

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Speaker 4: Full hearts, can't lose.

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Speaker 2: There you go the Texas.

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Speaker 3: Of course, the Texas Center just came out.

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Speaker 2: By the way, that book was excellent. I never I

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Speaker 2: saw the movie, never saw the TV show.

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Speaker 4: But the all I've seen is a TV show.

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Speaker 2: The book was awesome.

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Speaker 4: I made it like thirty minutes in the movie. Didn't

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Speaker 4: like it, loved the TV show.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't believe you didn't read the book? Was

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Speaker 2: what did never mind?

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Speaker 3: Okay? So I've never read the book, but I've seen

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Speaker 3: the movie about fourteen nine and I and I and

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Speaker 3: entire thing, every single episode during COVID look at You, Paul,

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Speaker 3: and I thought. I thought the TV show was actually

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Speaker 3: very well done. Of course I had very low expectations

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Speaker 3: whole you know, the whole Texas thing. Remembering that right

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Speaker 3: off the top, So where do you want to start?

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Speaker 3: Right here? I mean the latest mock drafts, the late report,

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Speaker 4: There have you in all the years covering have you

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Speaker 2: Is first? First of all, I've seen more odds this

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Speaker 3: The difference is that guy somehow at top security clearance.

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Speaker 3: My key cards still won't get me into the war room. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I can't get anywhere near an NFL draft board. Somehow

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Speaker 2: Does you know why Will Levis is moving up the

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Speaker 4: It's just crazy to me. We are two days out

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Speaker 2: I agree, although I'm beginning to wonder. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: and would I be totally shocked if it went Bryce

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Speaker 2: Will Anderson, and then we're all like, oh, well, what

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Speaker 3: Then exactly what we all predicted in February. That's that

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Speaker 3: what you're saying, It just comes full circle. Well, it

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Speaker 3: would make sense. Now within a couple hours of this broadcast,

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Speaker 3: we have a consensus. That's the word that Frank Wright

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Speaker 3: Carolina war room. Now he's not telling you who they're

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Speaker 3: Carolina better as the GM said just recently, they decided that,

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Speaker 3: painful that can be pinned. They trade all the way

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Speaker 3: to number one, and they get the guy. We figure

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Speaker 3: it's going to be Bryce Young. By the way, you're

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Speaker 3: Steve Sarkisian, who was his offensive coordinator at Alabama now

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Speaker 3: and Texas head coach Steve Sarkisian. He called Bryce Young

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Speaker 3: Steph curry on Grass. That's what he called Bryce Young.

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Speaker 4: Pretty high compliment.

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Speaker 3: So I'm thinking that guy Steph curry on Grass goes

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Speaker 3: for all the noise and all the misdirection that's been

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Speaker 3: to they're gonna take Will Anderson. Know, maybe they're gonna

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Speaker 2: Although I will a quick side note as long as

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Speaker 2: I saw one of the things Frank Reich said in

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Speaker 2: the press conferences. We made our decision. And then somebody said,

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Speaker 2: last night about eight o'clock, and somebody said that was

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Speaker 2: I'm so, I'm starting to believe these conspiracy theories. Will

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Speaker 2: Levis number one.

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Speaker 3: Well, three days earlier, when the GM did his press conference,

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Speaker 3: he told the media with the straight face Scott Fitterer,

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Speaker 3: his head coach who he wanted number one. Overall, you're

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Speaker 3: a week out from the draft now, you haven't even

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Speaker 2: The thing is is and I'm old enough to remember,

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Speaker 2: and as is Paul and Danny absolutely is not. We're

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Speaker 2: old enough to remember those days when there would be discussions,

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Speaker 2: especially before there was a a slotted system for rookie contracts,

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Speaker 2: and it was a little bit more complicated. The whole

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Speaker 2: but yeah, I remember those days when it's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: and we're three days out.

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Speaker 3: Well, Frank Reich did say that eight o'clock Eastern on

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Speaker 3: Thursday night, that's when everyone will know the Carolina Panthers pick.

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Speaker 3: Because Roger Goodell has made it very well known with

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Speaker 2: They've got snipers in facility.

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Speaker 4: Let me let me ask you this with the with

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Speaker 4: How do you feel about teams using the full time

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Speaker 4: I know, Darren feel some type of way.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I feel some type of way.

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Speaker 3: But I it's their chance to market their teams for

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Speaker 3: Danny is at appropriate use of that term, give their

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Speaker 2: But ultimately, the thing is is this year unlike some

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Speaker 2: the Texans are going to take their for full ten.

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Speaker 2: I think the Cardinals are going to take their full ten.

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Speaker 2: but like there's going to be a lot of teams

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Speaker 2: shouldn't even say that. I like, I'm kind of excited

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Speaker 2: because okay, still the Cardinals are picking third. But if

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Speaker 2: they trade down to eleven, that's already a long day,

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Speaker 2: especially for you two. Well, you're definitely in front of

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Speaker 2: a crowd thinking you got might go at three and

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Speaker 2: That'll be fun for you.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it'll be a Sun's playoff game that they can

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Speaker 3: get me through on one of the adjacent big screens. No,

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Speaker 3: they're going to close it out in five recording today.

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Speaker 3: Here's what Mani said at the end of the pre

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Speaker 3: All the evaluations have been done. They know exactly who

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Speaker 3: Who's going to make them an offer that potentially they

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Speaker 4: We all raised our hands for those of you who

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Speaker 3: So how far down Danny? Work with me? Danny over here?

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Speaker 3: I'm sensing a little bit of hostility here all of you. Okay, okay, Danny,

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Speaker 4: I look like we've talked about Tennessee and what that

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't like we're going to go to Vegas,

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Speaker 4: No, we're not allowed to bet, Darren, trust me.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like, maybe how did a half dozen

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Speaker 2: God also employees? You didn't see that part?

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Speaker 3: I mean, what are you doing?

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Speaker 4: I just I think to be at three. Obviously, swapping

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Speaker 2: down to eleven, you might have lost all those defensive

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Speaker 3: And you know what's interesting, a lot of the talk

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Speaker 3: Yes, and so you haven't seen a lot of that,

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Speaker 3: you would go from three to eight, but you would

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Speaker 3: This draft is so deep in corners. You can get

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Speaker 4: I agree, I think two of a trade like that,

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Speaker 4: I still think that if DeAndre Hoppins is going to

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Speaker 4: you're only getting picks this year, that's okay with me

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Speaker 3: See, I think the noise at number two and some

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Speaker 3: with the whole Will Levis thing, I'm guessing the Colts

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Speaker 3: So I just think something's going on behind the scenes

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Speaker 4: I know that I've been saying it's all smoke. The

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Speaker 4: they'll figure it out next.

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Speaker 2: Year, or or Nick Cassario is really sail agreeable to

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Speaker 3: I mean, well, okay, so so now you have more

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Speaker 2: They will if they don't get a quarterback.

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Speaker 4: I do they somehow? Garner? I mean, the only person

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Speaker 2: See, I don't see the Cardinals in the Seahawks doing

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Speaker 4: Which I don't know they would after just resigning Gino Smith.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the other thing that I just read, which

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Speaker 2: So they may be forced to trade down just to

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Speaker 2: it's like the Will Anderson stuff. Will Anderson is probably

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Speaker 2: It's Tyree Wilson who's got really the the all star stuff.

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Speaker 2: Pete Prisco, fellow Sun devil that he is, although older

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Speaker 3: mel Kuiper's gount of report good Will Anderson, but not

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Speaker 3: draft history at number three just as a reminder defensive

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Speaker 3: The only reason they're this close is because they have

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Speaker 3: They've been there with Malik McDowell, who wasn't complete bust

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Speaker 3: don't think Seattle goes that direction. Just a stumpass swings

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Speaker 4: Well, And on the TV behind you on NFL Network

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Speaker 3: I hate to say it, and this really pains me

437
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 3: because a year ago at this time I was really

438
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 3: reveling in using the words last place Seahawks. But what

439
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 3: the Cardinals truly need to do in this draft is

440
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 3: to replicate what the Seahawks did in last year's draft,

441
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,719
Speaker 3: where they end up with two starting offensive tackles. They

442
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 3: ended up with arguably the best running back in the

443
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 3: division right now. They ended up with a Pro Bowl

444
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 3: caliber corner in round five and Tariq Wolan. They got

445
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant. I mean, they absolutely crushed last year's draft

446
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 3: they did. That's what the Cardinals need to do this year.

447
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 4: You think the Cardinals should take an offensive lineman a tackle.

448
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 3: If they are end up at seven from the Raiders

449
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 3: or they end up you know later in the first

450
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 3: ten to eleven picks. Yeah, at Paris Johnson, who is

451
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 3: at Albert Breers reporting that Kyler Murray has made it

452
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 3: known that he likes himself some Paris Johnson out of

453
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Speaker 3: Ohio State.

454
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Speaker 4: Well, let me ask you this, what exactly do you

455
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Speaker 4: do if you draft Paris Johnson, who has been playing

456
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 4: left tackle? Do you move because what I saw online

457
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,360
Speaker 4: was that you put Johnson at left tackle, you move

458
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 4: DJ Humphreys over to right tackle, and then what are

459
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 4: you doing with Calvin Beachum?

460
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 2: Wow?

461
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 4: What are you doing with Josh Jump?

462
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 2: Like? All due respect to Kelvin Beacham.

463
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 4: But is that is that what the plan is?

464
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 2: I don't think there is a plan because you're also

465
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: that kind of thinking assumes that they already know they're

466
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: definitely taking Paris Johnson, whereas I don't think they can

467
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 2: know that at this point. You can't again, what you

468
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 2: should be doing, and it's been a little bit more

469
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 2: difficult this offseason. What you should be doing is lining

470
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: up and filling as many holes as you can now,

471
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 2: and then that gives you your flexibility in the draft

472
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: to take the better player, even if you're running over

473
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: some stuff. I mean, to me, if you feel like

474
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 2: you can find a long term true left tackle at

475
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 2: three and they to me, if you're picking them at three,

476
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: you better Now Maybe if you're picking them at seven

477
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: or whatever, it's a little bit different. But still, I mean,

478
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 2: I don't know. If DJ would play right tackle, that

479
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 2: would be fascinating. There have been a number of left

480
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 2: tackles that have come into the league that were left

481
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 2: tackles in college. They start their career at right tackle

482
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 2: and then move over the left side. And I don't

483
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: think there's any problem with that. I think you need

484
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 2: to get them on the field if you're drafting them

485
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 2: that early. Josh Jones, you had your chance to win

486
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 2: over everybody, and you were Okay, you did a solid job,

487
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 2: but you didn't do enough to make us not draft

488
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: to tackle or in the first round. And let's see

489
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Speaker 2: what you can do at left guard.

490
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Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Pairs Johnson, Ohio State second team All

491
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 3: Americans six six three thirteen his sophomore year, he started

492
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 3: all thirteen games at right guard or Ohio State last year,

493
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 3: second team All American left tackle. There you go, Could

494
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 3: he come in and be your starting left guard for

495
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: the short term, for the short term or does he

496
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 3: go out to does he go out to right tackle

497
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 3: and compete with the Calvin Beacham. Yeah, Leonard Davis is

498
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 3: a great example. You know. Of course, Leonard Davis ultimately

499
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 3: went out to left tackle and wasn't that good. He

500
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 3: was actually better interior.

501
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 2: But Leonard Davis ended up going and playing guard for

502
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 2: the Cowboys and was a stud.

503
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 4: Didn't will Hernandez play left guard?

504
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 2: He has in the past.

505
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 4: Yes, so that could be your option.

506
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: Yes, and I think that's very possible. Again, did we

507
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 2: all just.

508
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 4: Come to a gree shoul the Cardinals draft an offensive lineman, well,

509
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 4: they should.

510
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: Drop the offensive lineman. Whether it's their first round pick,

511
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: I don't know.

512
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 3: But see and I named the Cardinals offensive line with

513
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 3: Paris Johnson left right. But I still have no idea

514
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 3: who the center is on this offensive line. So that's see.

515
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 3: There are two spots I think that are underrated and

516
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 3: not getting enough play in this year's draft for the Cardinals.

517
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 3: One would be center, yes, and I can't really name

518
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 3: a name where they would actually target that guy and

519
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: who it might be. And tight end is the other one.

520
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 3: It's so deep and tight end I could see them

521
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 3: picking up an extra pick when they let's say they

522
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 3: trade out at number three and they're like, yep, we

523
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 3: got an extra round two. In an extra round three,

524
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 3: I'm guarantee you that one of those round three picks

525
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: now would be earmarked for a tight end. That's just

526
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 3: my belief. I think that's coming on day two of

527
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 3: this draft.

528
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: He sounds like he knows something.

529
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 3: Danny, by the way, by the way, a player, did

530
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 3: you know what I do know as a player, did

531
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 3: tell me that Josh Jones looks phenomenal, that he won

532
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 3: the offseason so far. Now we'll see if you can

533
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 3: win himself a job in a long term future with

534
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 3: the Arizona Cardinals and in the offensive line room. So

535
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 3: he definitely he looks good and we'll see because his

536
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: future is on the line. He's in the final year

537
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 3: of his deal and we'll see what that means. Obviously,

538
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: the Cardinals have designs and redoing their entire offensive line.

539
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, look they're gonna build from the inside out.

540
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 3: I think this stat if you want to go full

541
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 3: circle from where we started. We started this whole draft

542
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 3: process saying Bryce Young, CJ. Stroud, Will Anderson won two three.

543
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 3: I also started the draft process by saying, if I'm

544
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 3: manti Asiford, I came in and I looked, here you go, guys,

545
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: sketch your bingo cards. I looked at all the recent

546
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 3: pages of NFL Cardinals draft history, and I said to myself,

547
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 3: let me get this straight. In the last fifteen drafts,

548
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 3: there have been exactly two offensive linemen drafted in the

549
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 3: first two rounds and two defensive linemen drafted in the

550
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: first two rounds over the last fifteen years. If nothing else,

551
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: I think I can say with certitude that's about.

552
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: To change Khalais and Kimdchi.

553
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 3: Kalais it was actually right before that stat he was

554
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight. So if two thousand and nine

555
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: through twenty two, so you would have So it was

556
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 3: Kimdichi and Dan Williams.

557
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: Dan Williams dumpster Dan.

558
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: Both late first round. Yes, and then the two offensive

559
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 3: linemen drafted in round one or round two or fifteen draft.

560
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, pump would be one, and.

561
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: I traded away to New England Engine injured in his

562
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: third preseason game.

563
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: Jonathan Cooper Cooper.

564
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. So he was part of the Chandler Jones deal.

565
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: So there you started thinking of that other offensive lineman

566
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: they traded to the Patriots. I'm like, he was like

567
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 2: a sixth.

568
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 3: Round pick, Mason Cole.

569
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: I think it was the big tackle. Oh yeah, yeah, No.

570
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: Corey Cunning Now there you go.

571
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 2: Thank Yeah, So you're my hero.

572
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 3: It's just you know, and look, when you draft an

573
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 3: offensive lineman round one or that's your first pick in

574
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: the draft, it's kind of deflating a little bit right,

575
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: You're out there at the draft party, and you know

576
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 3: you want the highlight reel and you want all those

577
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: you know.

578
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 4: I guess maybe for fans, I would still be excited

579
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 4: for all the reasons.

580
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: You know. I'm like, okay, how you selling that to

581
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: the crowd, you know a little bit. But but when

582
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 3: the season starts, you're darn glad that you went offense

583
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 3: or defensive line when you can't protect the quarterback and

584
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: or you can't stop the run.

585
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 4: So just say that, Just say that at the draft party.

586
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 3: Just admonish everyone right off the top. I'll be I'll

587
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 3: be preemptive, and I'll talk down to everyone. That'll be

588
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 3: really endearing to the crowd. No doubt that'll be good.

589
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: By the way, Bucky Brooks in his latest mock draft

590
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: that came out today, Bryce Young otherwise known as Steph

591
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: Curry on grass Tyree Wilson number two and then Will

592
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: Anderson number three. So Cardinals still get Will Anderson? Who knows?

593
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: Who knows? I did see where Ian Rappaport did say that, yes,

594
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: there's this is about as much of an unknown in

595
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: any draft year that he can remember. Although I would

596
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 3: evoke recency bias on that one to a certain degree,

597
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: do you have a sleeper pick because for the first

598
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: round for you know, someone who might fall to the Cardinals,

599
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 3: maybe a top round too. You know, you know the

600
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 3: guy I'm pulling for is the Clemson defensive tackle who

601
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 3: was the number one high score recruit in the country

602
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: three years ago and had an injury plagued and really

603
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: just had a lot of bad luck in his Clemson career,

604
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: which is the massive defensive tackle six six three twenty five.

605
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: Brian Brasci heard that name, we'll see, I get very

606
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: concerned about talking about. Yeah, he would have been really good,

607
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: but he was hurt all the time.

608
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: His true freshman year twenty twenty, he was first team

609
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: All acc and then he had a series of injuries

610
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: and other challenges.

611
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: Toss the defense of Rondale Moore.

612
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: He tore his acl good analogy, had shoulder surgery, missed

613
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: three games with a kidney infection, missed a game, was

614
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 3: strapped throat, and then tragically in September this last season,

615
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: he died. And no, he lost a family member to

616
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: cancer and and it was you know, it messed him

617
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: up mentally. Anyway, he was over.

618
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: I think we're going to cut that out.

619
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: Us was overweight and uh, you know the whole thing.

620
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 3: It was rough. It was a rough college career other

621
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: than his freshman year when he was first team All

622
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: acc his next two seasons, wow, it's just one calamity

623
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 3: after another. But he is a massive, talented, just nimble

624
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: dude on the inside that you're now sat down and

625
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: JJ Watt, you've got to find someone, yes, but the

626
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: injuries don't scare you a little bit. The torney ACL

627
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: is definitely scary.

628
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: I mean again, a torn ACL. I mean that's not

629
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

630
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: I just what I'm saying is a guy like that

631
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 3: does not fall to the top round two without everything

632
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: I just cited.

633
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: You're absolutely correct, But but then he does. It's like

634
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter doesn't fall out of the top two if

635
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: he doesn't have issues like these. These things have to

636
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: be considered.

637
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 3: I get it. I get it.

638
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: So it's like that in the Few Good Men where

639
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: he's like talking about is there anything I missed you know?

640
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: Or you mean other than the dead body? Oh yeah,

641
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: that's okay.

642
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: Let's see if I can segue out of that, Danny.

643
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 3: What we do know is that MANI and JG apparently

644
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: agree on the players that they've evaluated at the top

645
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: of the draft based on what we got in the

646
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: Q and A with JG at the uniform and bailing right,

647
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: tell that little anecdote, right.

648
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 4: I think you asked that question of if Jonathan Gannon

649
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 4: had a player he really liked, and he said yes,

650
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 4: and then the fans erupted, which was pretty exciting, and

651
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 4: he said that they he and Mani asin Fort did

652
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 4: an exercise where they said, okay, let's ride out each

653
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 4: our top ten players, and they had eight of the

654
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 4: same ten players. Now, I don't know if that means

655
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 4: top ranked. I don't know if that means top ten

656
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 4: players for us that we would like, or if it

657
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 4: was in the same order or they were just on

658
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 4: the same page. But doesn't make you feel good that

659
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 4: they are seem to be vibing.

660
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: So I saw. I don't know if you guys saw

661
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: the ESPN story revisiting the time when the Vikings screwed

662
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: up their pick.

663
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: And oh yeah, so their time expired on the clock.

664
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: So back in two thousand, I'm trying to remember what

665
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: draft that was, but the Vikings were supposed to pick

666
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: at seven. They were trying to trade down. They thought

667
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: they had a trade with the Ravens at ten. I

668
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: think it was a two thousand and three draft, and

669
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: they thought they had a pick. For whatever reason, the

670
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: trade didn't go through. The Vikings didn't realize that their

671
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: time on the clock expired at that point. And I

672
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: think it's still the rule. If the time expires and

673
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: the team hasn't made a pick, then it's first come,

674
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: first served for the next person in line. So the

675
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: next team in line was the Panthers. Maybe I forget

676
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: who it was they ran up to. The Panthers were

677
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: one of them. Two picks went in before the Vikings

678
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: could get theirs pick in, so instead of seven at

679
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: nine now they wanted to take Kevin Williams, the defensive

680
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: tackle the whole time. But wow, but they didn't get it.

681
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: Jordan Gross went oh, Jordan Gross went eight, and I

682
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: again I don't remember who ran up real quick with

683
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: their pick ahead of them. The reason I bring up

684
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: the story is part of that article was Paul Allen,

685
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: the famous Vikings announcer who has been on our Folk

686
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: Tales for the end of the two thousand and three season,

687
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: the famous account of pool thing He also like yourself,

688
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: hosts their draft party, and the way he tells the story,

689
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: the fans were so angry when they finally made the

690
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: Kevin Williams pick one because they thought their teammates screwed up,

691
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: which they had, but also because while they were waiting

692
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: for the pick, he and his co host started leading

693
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: chance for Terrell Suggs to be picked, and so when

694
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: they took Kevin Williams and Suggs was still on the board,

695
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: the Ravens took him very next to ten. A lot

696
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: of people were upset, and a side story to this

697
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: was Paul Allen used that as leverage, just saying, hey,

698
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: you need to tell me who we're gonna pick or

699
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: who are possibles are, so that when I'm at the

700
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: draft party, I at least don't start starting a chant

701
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 2: for somebody who we will have no chance in taking.

702
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 4: Maybe don't do that, Paul.

703
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: See, if you're the announcer for the Rams, you don't

704
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 3: have to worry about that because last time the Rams

705
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 3: made a first round pick was twenty sixteen. So you

706
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: know that's maybe that's the moral.

707
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: The same make a very pretty uh draft video.

708
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: They Yeah, so you know the best thing about the

709
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: Rams draft is actually their pretty draft video starring the

710
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: the stars Brian Kranton, Aaron Paul from Breaking Bad. It

711
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: was pretty good, pretty good.

712
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: Yest year they had a really good one.

713
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: I think it was last year, although it was some

714
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 3: smart alec imagine that on Twitter responded to a Rams

715
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: fan and the message board said, oh great, we spent

716
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 3: more on our Malibu draft house for the video than

717
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 3: we did on players in free agency.

718
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 4: I'm sure they saw that coming, which is.

719
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: An entirely untrue actually, because the Rams have been it's

720
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 3: been the per with the Rams, trying to get rid

721
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: of payroll before anything. So, by the way, Scott Pioli

722
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 3: was just on the screen NFL Network. Do you hear

723
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 3: his his famous litle anecdote, This might be my favorite

724
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 3: story of the pre draft process. He said, when he

725
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 3: was in New England's front office, he kept a frame

726
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: photo of the fifth round pick you're nineteen ninety nine

727
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: on his desk some complete unknown It was a tight

728
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: end Dave Schakelski, something like that. I don't know, look

729
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: it up. Do you know why he kept this photo

730
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 3: of this fifth round pick from nineteen ninety nine that

731
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 3: the Patriots made.

732
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: Is it because the sixth round pick was Tom Brady.

733
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 3: Exactly, And it was a reminder you're not that smart,

734
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 3: reminder of themselves that yeah we got.

735
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: Tom Brady, but we almost scraighted it up right.

736
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 3: But if you would have known Tom Brady was going

737
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: to be the all time greatest, would you have waited

738
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: until round six? So you really didn't.

739
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: That's that's the thing about the Tom Brady thing and everybody.

740
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: Oh way, I mean, how many every team passed on

741
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: Tom Brady multiple times? Multiple times?

742
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: So what else any it wants needs wishes in this draft?

743
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 3: I mean, Danny, you know you're going through some of

744
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 3: these players' names. You know anyone else I threw out there?

745
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: The Brian Burci? Is there anyone out there that catches

746
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: your eye? Darren?

747
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: I would just like to say you mentioned earlier that

748
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: hopefully the DeAndre Hopkins thing is settled. I'd like to

749
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: whether it's a move on or a not move on,

750
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind having that be settled. That's just me.

751
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 4: Well, if I'm if that trade does happen, does that

752
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 4: change the way you draft a wide receiver? I know

753
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 4: this isn't a very deep draft class. If you're the

754
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 4: Cardinals and that trade goes through on Thursday, is that

755
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 4: suddenly a priority off Friday?

756
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a priority. I think about

757
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 2: it heavily. But again, there we could go down the list.

758
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: Do any think, Danny and come up with I feel

759
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: like we could come up with five or six positions

760
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: that we would say those are. That's a priority. Edge, Oh,

761
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: that's a priority, cornerback priority, defensive line priority, offensive line priority,

762
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: probably a wide receiver priority. You're saying tight end.

763
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 3: I put tight end head of rever.

764
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 4: It's easier to say what is not a priority? Running back? Quarterback?

765
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I got fans that are wondering why why

766
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: I had running back as I think I had medium

767
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: or maybe low, but they they thought that should be

768
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: really high running back. Well, you know, I agree.

769
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 4: Are just going to assume assume that the Cardinals are

770
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 4: safe at safety?

771
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's funny you say that because even if

772
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 2: Buddha stays, which I think he's going to stay. After

773
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: Buddha and Jalen, who are we talking about, right?

774
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 4: Oh boy? Well that's that's the silver lining is pretty

775
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 4: much whatever the Cardinals draft is addressing the need A

776
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 4: plus can.

777
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 3: I just say this from the d hop trade update desk,

778
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: The Steelers are picking number thirty two overall. Do you

779
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: know why because they got a round two pick from

780
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 3: the Bears last year for Chase Claypool. If they got

781
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: a round two pick for Chase Claypool, I think can

782
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: the Cardinals at least get a round three pick for

783
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins. I get it, the whole contract demands contract,

784
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: I get it. But I think there will be enough

785
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: demand out there for DeAndre Hopkins. Teams realizing there's nothing

786
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: left in free agency, there's nothing for sure with a

787
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 3: rookie receiver, especially in this year's class.

788
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: From your lips to God's ears.

789
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 3: I'm trying to speak it into existence. Kansas City, I'm

790
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: talking to you. I'm talking to you, Buffalo. Did you

791
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 3: see your offense in that playoff loss to Cincinnati. You

792
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: had Stefan Diggs and the next best receiver is named

793
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: Jack last name squat. Okay, so you got to figure

794
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 3: it out these other teams out there if you want

795
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: to contend in the AFC. And oh by the way,

796
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers is in the AFC now, so you better

797
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 3: feel submergency to ramp up your roster if you're one

798
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 3: of the big three in the AFC. Kansas City, Buffalo, Cincinnati.

799
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: I love how Paul like over this podcast indirectly is

800
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: trying to sh shame all these teams and then coming

801
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: up with a good trade for DeAndre Hopkins.

802
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 3: They've been playing hard to get.

803
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: They seem crazy people.

804
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 3: Yes, they've been playing hard to get, but you know

805
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 3: you would benefit greatly, and you know you're not going

806
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 3: to be able to find anywhere near the caliber of

807
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins to plug into your offense and make a difference.

808
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 4: I said it when we recorded our draft primers. I'm

809
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 4: gonna say it again, Paul. We just need to put

810
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 4: you in the war room. We'll find somebody else to

811
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 4: host the draft party. We'll put you on the phone.

812
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 4: He'll be the negotiator.

813
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: Yeah no, No, I'll be the guy be going to

814
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: get the coffee and the sandwiches. That's where I'll end

815
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: up doing. There's no question about that. Any thoughts on

816
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers. By the way, can I just say this,

817
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: I had no idea The Jets had one primetime game

818
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: last year. It was the mandatory Thursday night game against Jacksonville.

819
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 3: Do you know the last time the Jets were in

820
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: a Sunday night football game, it was twenty eleven. Think

821
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: about that, a New York team. Think over a decade

822
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 3: since they've been featured on Sunday Night Football. We're going

823
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 3: to go from one primetime game last year to the

824
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: maximum six? Do we disagree they're gonna get six primetime games.

825
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: I remember them playing Monday Night here in twenty sixteen.

826
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 4: I believe you know it would be comical. Is the

827
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 4: Packers using their first round pick on a wide receiver.

828
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: I don't see that happening, but that was, But it

829
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: would be comical.

830
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 3: By the way, Let's just say this.

831
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: Maybe the Packers will trade for DeAndre Hopkins. Paul, get

832
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: on that.

833
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 4: Come on, Paul.

834
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: It was the Jordan Love draft pick that supposedly, reportedly

835
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 3: allegedly sparked the fire in the gut of Aaron Rodgers.

836
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: And what do you do where you spinning with two

837
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 3: straight MVP awards, right.

838
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: Don't say sparking Aaron Rodgers in the same sense.

839
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: So now now he escapes the darkness of Green Bay

840
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: and he's going to New York, and if he's all

841
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: motivated again, look out. Honestly, I think he's gonna put

842
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 3: in an MVP caliber season. I really do. I think

843
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 3: he's when he's cheezed off and he's triggered, look out.

844
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 4: But you need to remember Zach Wilson said he's gonna

845
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 4: make the new veteran quarterbacks life hell and practice every day.

846
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 4: When that's right, the Jets were making it known they

847
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 4: were interested in for another quarterback.

848
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, all right, So down the stretch we come.

849
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: Let it be known who the Cardinals taking a number three?

850
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 3: Or do they trade out? It's your last chance? What

851
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: do you think? And Darren trade I think they trade out.

852
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: You didn't even bring up the uniforms yet. Oh that

853
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: is we haven't talked yet.

854
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 3: That is right, okay, all right reactions here we go

855
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: in three two one. Your thoughts on the uniforms, Darren Rman.

856
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: I thought the duo of Danny Sirek and Paul Calvisu

857
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: were fantabulous rolling those out.

858
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 3: Dan, Danny crushed it. Yours truly was just a malaprop

859
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: waiting to happen.

860
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: As for the uniforms, although I did enjoy the little

861
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: gift that somebody created of you trying to help Jonathan.

862
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: Gamble don't want to talk about that, the wardrobe malfunction.

863
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: Don't feel like getting fine for that.

864
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I with the uniforms for me. Uh, I

865
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: can tell you that my sons each bought one already.

866
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 2: Really yeah, and they oh no, they've they've been burned

867
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 2: too many times. They got custom ones with their own

868
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 2: names on it.

869
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 4: So okay, And I.

870
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: Will say I I I've been around. I was around

871
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: the day that the players, that those key players all

872
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: got to see them for the first time, and they

873
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 2: genuinely were excited. So I that's what I care about.

874
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: I care about what if the players care. You know,

875
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: I've never been a huge uniform person. I understand there's

876
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 2: people that wanted some other different things. But I think

877
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: they're They're good and I think it was good, good

878
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: time to change.

879
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: They're modern, they're clean. I know people saying they're safe,

880
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 4: but but people like them.

881
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: I like them.

882
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 4: I think the white ones are pretty fresh. I think

883
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna look good.

884
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: Players like just one color. That that was the unanimous

885
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 3: takeaway from all.

886
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 4: The players was all white, all red, or all black.

887
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just want one color scheme. That's that's so

888
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 3: they want head to toe. They just want a single color,

889
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: I mean, or at least jersey.

890
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: I understand, But I go back, like when the Cardinals

891
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 2: change uniforms the last time, it's the same thing all

892
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 2: the time. People were like eh, and I understood that,

893
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: I get it and all that stuff. And you know what,

894
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: nobody gave a flying flip about what those uniforms look

895
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: like when the Cardinals were in the Super Bowl in

896
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight.

897
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 3: So look, the underrated part of the uniforms to me

898
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: is the birdhead is a little bit bigger, a little

899
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 3: bit on the helm, on the helmet, Yeah, it fills

900
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: the helmet a little bit more.

901
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 4: I like that it's got like a little three D

902
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 4: shadow now, yep, yep.

903
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: I like the birdhead logo about the silver face mask, Paul, sure, yeah, absolutely.

904
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: You know they're not gray anymore people.

905
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 4: And you know, I like the difference of in the

906
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 4: way and the alternate jerseys, the white and black stitched

907
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 4: on the inside on the collar it says bird gang.

908
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 4: But then in the home uniforms those red ones it

909
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 4: says protect the nest. I like that subtle difference.

910
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 2: Somebody was complaining about that though, like we can't see it.

911
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: So what does it matter? Again, some of these things

912
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: are for the players too, you know, again, their uniforms.

913
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: You know, people will be happier if you win in them.

914
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 3: So all right, I think that our work here is done.

915
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 4: Not quite, No, I can we address the thought that

916
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 4: having your new general manager and your new head coach

917
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 4: and some of the coaching staff go out and support

918
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 4: your franchise quarterback at the unveiling of his Heisman statue

919
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 4: makes them unprepared for the draft, because let me tell

920
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 4: you what would have happened had nobody from the Cardinals

921
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 4: coaching staff shut up, the team would have been ripped

922
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 4: for not supporting their franchise quarterback. So you know what,

923
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 4: and here's what's frustrating to me is that I'm sure

924
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 4: everyone saw online that because Jonathan Gannon Manti awesome for

925
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 4: and some of the coaches were in Norman, Oklahoma this

926
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 4: past weekend with Kyler Murray was saying that because they

927
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 4: were out there, they weren't prepared for the draft and

928
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 4: it was ridiculous on their part. First time GM to

929
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 4: the weekend before the draft not be in your office,

930
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 4: as if Mani Austin Fort didn't tell us hours prior

931
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 4: that their draft board is ninety five percent closer to

932
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 4: one hundred percent done. The fact that you don't think

933
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 4: that they didn't hop on a private jet that morning,

934
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 4: do what they needed to do, and then get back

935
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 4: to where you could also work on the plane. And also,

936
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 4: believe it or not, the coaching staff in the front

937
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 4: office takes a couple of hours to eat, sleep, not

938
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 4: be in the office, do these things and make sure

939
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 4: they're there. I love the fact that they went and

940
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 4: they surprised Kyler Murray and they were supporting him at

941
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 4: that statue and veiling.

942
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: Let's make it very clear that I only saw one

943
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: person driving that narrative. Now, he happens to be a

944
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: fairly important NFL media type, and I get that, but

945
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: he was the only one, and he got a beatdown

946
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 2: on t Twitter. He got a beatdown on his own

947
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: show by his partner. I mean, he was wrong, and

948
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: he kept doubling down instead of just taking the l

949
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 2: and that's you know, that's up to him. I don't

950
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: I didn't see anybody saying something about Kyle Shanahan being

951
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: at the Warriors game Saturday night. I didn't see somebody

952
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: put out a old screen cap of a talking about

953
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen. They said that Saints people, which at

954
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: the time were Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis, they got

955
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: out of there early on Friday, the weekend before the draft,

956
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: so they could all go to Vegas.

957
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: I mean, right, Look, the reality is that, yes, Maniasaboord

958
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: is the ultimate decision maker, and Jonathan Gannon has input.

959
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 3: But when it comes to those picks on day three,

960
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: which is maybe where you would still have some work

961
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 3: to do the weekend before the draft, that's really left

962
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: up to Dave Sears, all the scouts, you know, the

963
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: Drew Grigson's I mean, those are the guys who at

964
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: that point are truly grinding the unknowns that are drafted

965
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 3: on day three. I am this is.

966
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: Bigger picture now, Okay. I am one of those people

967
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: that says these people work too much. I didn't say

968
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: they didn't work hard. I said they work too much.

969
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: It's pointless. There is there's a such thing in economics

970
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: as the law of diminishing returns, and most NFL personnel

971
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: people fail to grasps that in my opinion, do I

972
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: I mean, they put in all these hours every year,

973
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: even those that this person we're talking about would talk

974
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: about all they grind all through the weekend, is they're

975
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: drafting really that much better than other teams? No, go

976
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: look it up because it's a freaking crap shoot. And yeah,

977
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: you can do you can do research, and you have

978
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 2: to do your homework. And there are bad picks and

979
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: there are bad drafts, don't get me wrong. But like

980
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: just earlier, you were just talking about how the Seahawks

981
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: crushed it. Oh, by the way, the Seahawks were dog

982
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: breath and their drafts about the previous four or five years, almost.

983
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: A decade between when they crushed it with Russell Wilson

984
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: and Cam Chancellor or Ural Thomas and Richard Sherman, there

985
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 3: was a ten year draft.

986
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: And guess what, they didn't really change what they were doing.

987
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: They were trying to work as hard as they were

988
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: from the Sherman draft to this draft. It's just I

989
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: don't know, I just I get tired.

990
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 3: Of it think about it. At number three overall, we

991
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: cited the likes my gears right, we cited the likes

992
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 3: of Solomon Thomas and Dion Jordan, Marcel Darius right, those types, right,

993
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: you know else recently he's gone at number three just

994
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 3: a quarterback alone, Trey Lance. You traded three first round

995
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: picks for Trey Lance, who's now on the block, Jeff Okuda,

996
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 3: who just got traded away for a fifth round pick,

997
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 3: Sam Darnold number three overall on his third team, Blake

998
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 3: Bortles number three overall, and fourteen. I mean Dante foul

999
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 3: In twenty fifteen was number three overall.

1000
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: He's had a solid career, but not what you're expecting

1001
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: out of a number three pick.

1002
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: Trent Richardson twenty twelve, not worth number three overall, not

1003
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 3: even close.

1004
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: No, so again, and this isn't the I agree. I'm

1005
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: not trying to get too far afield here. I agree

1006
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: with Danny. It was a good gesture. I know there's

1007
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: been a lot out there of well, the previous group

1008
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: didn't support Kyler as much, you know, I it is

1009
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: what it is, and everybody's doing something. But this is

1010
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon and Monte Austin's forts first offseason. They're trying

1011
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: to get on the same page as Kyler. Again, like

1012
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: Danny said, they're taking a private jet. They're flying out

1013
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: Saturday morning, they're leaving Saturday afternoon. It's just it's not

1014
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: that difficult, It didn't really cost them anything. And that

1015
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: this is even being talked about is other than that

1016
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: it's cool that they're supporting them. The dumbest thing on

1017
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: the face of it.

1018
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 4: You don't need to be a hater just to be

1019
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 4: a hater.

1020
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 3: We'll leave in a positive. You know how about Anthony

1021
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 3: Richardson on the screen right over there in his quote

1022
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: a couple of days ago to NFL dot com quote

1023
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 3: as a player, I'm not human, I'm an alien. I

1024
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 3: don't think I can be compared to anybody as a

1025
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 3: person on normal just a fun loving guy who likes

1026
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 3: to make people smile. And then he is during some

1027
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,959
Speaker 3: sort of workout and he was telling the reporter, don't

1028
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 3: you hear that ball whistle? So? What does it sound

1029
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: like a missile?

1030
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: If you've had if you have an ACL tear, that's

1031
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: a red flag. If you're an alien, is that a

1032
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: red flag? Is it? Do you get graded up or

1033
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: down on that?

1034
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 3: So I'm just saying that. Look that for a guy

1035
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 3: who had a fifty three percent completion percentage last year,

1036
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: and by the way, since twenty ten, here's the.

1037
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 2: Same trending positive Paul.

1038
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 3: Only four quarterbacks selected a round one had a college

1039
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 3: completion rate under sixty percent since twenty ten, so we'll see.

1040
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 3: We'll see how that works for you.

1041
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 4: That's positive positive.

1042
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 3: No, the positive is this. The positive is for the Cardinals, okay,

1043
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 3: because one team will be enticed by the upside. Okay,

1044
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 3: one team will be sucked in by the potential of

1045
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson, and that one team is going to come

1046
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 3: a calling and is going to say, you know what, MONI,

1047
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 3: here's an offer you can't refuse at number three. Overall,

1048
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 3: it's going to happen. Somebody will get sucked into the

1049
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 3: vortex of the potential upside of Anthony Richardson, and the

1050
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 3: Cardinals will benefit. That's your positive. What's the saying, Danny

1051
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: out of Texas.

1052
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: That I gotta say. There are days when we're in here,

1053
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: Danny and I just feel like Paul missed his calling.

1054
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: He needed to be like a nineteen thirties sound effects

1055
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 2: guy for the movies.

1056
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 4: Ye, clear Eyes, Fullhearts, can't Lose.

1057
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 3: Can't lose. That's the positive. Pre draft twenty twenty three

1058
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,920
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