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Speaker 2: If there's anything that you have learned today, it's that

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Speaker 2: you might as well cheat. You might as well do it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying on your taxes. I'm not saying on

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Speaker 2: your significant other. All I'm saying is wherever you want

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Speaker 2: to bend the rules, your models will do it, because,

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Speaker 2: gosh darn it, you may actually get away with it.

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Speaker 3: It seems like it's okay. It's just frowned upon, Dan,

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Speaker 3: It's just frowned upon.

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Speaker 2: It reminds me, and I know this isn't this is

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Speaker 2: kind of a local story to southern California, but I

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Speaker 2: felt it was so crazy. You don't think I want

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Speaker 2: to throw up already. Chris Purfett like, this is, oh

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Speaker 2: my goodness. We had a car chase this week where

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Speaker 2: someone hijacked carjacked three different vehicles in southern California, including

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Speaker 2: a tanker of milk, and they still got away and

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Speaker 2: we are still looking for them. And by we, I

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Speaker 2: mean law enforcement officials, not me on my own time,

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Speaker 2: but they somehow got away. And you're like, how in

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Speaker 2: the world did they get away with it? That pales

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Speaker 2: in comparison to what's happened with the University of Michigan

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Speaker 2: and their cheating football program.

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Speaker 3: How did I miss this pursuit?

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Speaker 2: Yes, you didn't see it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even hear about it.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you why, because I think it was volleyball night.

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Speaker 2: So that's why I think it was volleyball.

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Speaker 3: A man I No, No, nothing happens on Tuesdays.

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Speaker 2: VI, And we're going to get into the Michigan thing.

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Speaker 2: And I will try not to bore you. I will

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Speaker 2: try not to go off on tangents. I will probably

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Speaker 2: just let Manzi take the reins, because she's the most

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Speaker 2: level headed one of us here on this topic. But

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Speaker 2: if I were to say to hey, Manzy, let's do

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Speaker 2: a show together on Thursday night, You'll be like, it's

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Speaker 2: my mom's birthday, but let's do it Saturday. Guess what,

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Speaker 2: it's my boyfriends. They're honoring him at work here because

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Speaker 2: of his great work. But I can do it. Manzi,

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Speaker 2: can you play on volleyball or can you do a

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Speaker 2: show on volleyball? And sorry, Dan, we can't do it.

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Speaker 2: It is not going to be able to work my

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Speaker 2: by the way, indoor gymnasium volleyball, right, it's not like

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Speaker 2: beach volleyball, like you're on the shores of the Pacific Ocean.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to miss it.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 4: I am in a gym and I am diving, and

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Speaker 4: I come out bruised and all beat up, and it's

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Speaker 4: worth it, and you are not wrong.

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Speaker 2: You know what you should do in your next match

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Speaker 2: on Tuesday. You should catch the ball and then just

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Speaker 2: throw it over the net and be like, what are

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Speaker 2: you going to do to me? Because that's essentially what

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Speaker 2: Michigan has done. And then when they ask why did

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Speaker 2: you do that, just don't talk to him because that's

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Speaker 2: also what Michigan did. They didn't go operate with anything,

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Speaker 2: and now get leveled with NCAA sanctions that really don't

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Speaker 3: No, this is nothing. This is a big timeout. That's it.

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Speaker 3: This is a joke. And I don't even care about Michigan.

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Speaker 4: I am not affected by any of this, but never

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Speaker 4: forget twenty seventeen when the ass shows cheated and against

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Speaker 4: the Dodgers. Never forget what is the big thing I've

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Speaker 4: been complaining about when it comes to that, is that

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Speaker 4: nothing happened. They should have taken away that championship in

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Speaker 4: twenty seventeen from Houston and hear what's happening with Michigan. Okay,

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Speaker 4: so Harbaugh and Connor Stallions and another guy, I have

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm reading into.

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Speaker 2: This, and Mancy, it's even more than that. And I

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Speaker 2: feel that it is a bit of karma because I'm

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Speaker 2: sure within the last three weeks we've had a conversation

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Speaker 2: with Jason Stewart, our executive producer here on the Doug

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Speaker 2: Gottlieb Show, Isaac go on Chronic Chris profedor here as well.

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Speaker 2: You heard Chris play that awful music. The thing that

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Speaker 2: taunted jose L Twove and I, you know, just I

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Speaker 2: only the Dodgers care. And I felt that there was

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Speaker 2: a similar sense to the Michigan sign stealing scandal because

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Speaker 2: Ohio State fans like myself and Michigan State fans cared.

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Speaker 2: Nobody else did. Nobody else seemed to care. But these

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Speaker 2: certain fan bases and Manzi, now that it comes down

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Speaker 2: to what D Day is and we see the punishment,

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Speaker 2: it's so unfulfilling. And I feel that in a way

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Speaker 2: when I say, why are you guys still mad about

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Speaker 2: the Astros that's eight years ago, I feel that that's

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Speaker 2: payment for what happening. What's happening today because to your

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Speaker 2: point of what these penalties are, and for those that

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Speaker 2: don't know, I'm gonna read them all for a second.

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Speaker 2: But this just isn't the sign stealing scandal. There was

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Speaker 2: another scandal prior to this, an other NCUBA violations when

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Speaker 2: it came to recruiting and COVID dead periods, the periods

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Speaker 2: that were violated by Michigan where they also failed to cooperate,

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Speaker 2: and so now you have another nc doublea situation on

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Speaker 2: top of that. So it's not just an innocent sign

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Speaker 2: stealing scandal. There seems to be an organized effort to

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Speaker 2: And that's why when people just say sign stealing, everybody

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Speaker 2: does it? Is it such a false phrase in a

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Speaker 2: that now ends up getting four years probation finds that

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Speaker 2: could surpass thirty million dollars with recruiting restrictions. Jim Harbaugh

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Speaker 2: gets a ten year show caust penalty, by the way,

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Speaker 2: from the previous scandal. Current head coach. That's right, current

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Speaker 2: head coach, he's still the head coach. Charon Moore gets

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Speaker 2: a two year show cause order. Counter stallions the one

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Speaker 2: who seemingly carried out all of these deals, eight year

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Speaker 2: show cause order he was going to coach anyway in

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Speaker 2: football again. Denard Robinson, a former player, three year show

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Speaker 2: cause order who was on staff, and then the fines

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Speaker 2: would be determined on budget, on postseason revenue, on scholarships.

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Speaker 2: That's the penalty for Michigan in doing their illegal sign

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Speaker 4: It's kind of crazy to think that we think we

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Speaker 4: know all the details when in reality, if you're calling

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Speaker 4: something the.

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Speaker 3: Operation KGB, there's a lot more to it.

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Speaker 4: There is a lot more that we actually will never know,

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Speaker 4: which is the big picture here. And I don't care

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Speaker 4: about the fines that's gonna affect other parts of Michigan.

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Speaker 4: I feel Michigan is not gonna take away from their

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Speaker 4: and what brings in more money. So I feel like

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Speaker 4: these fines are gonna affect other parts of Michigan, other

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Speaker 4: athletes who literally had nothing to do with this, and

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Speaker 4: that simple punishment would.

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Speaker 3: Have just been to vacate the championship. That's it.

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Speaker 4: These timeouts that these guys are getting, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: These players that are still on the team that had

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Speaker 4: nothing to do with it, I understand, But they're playing

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Speaker 4: now that team that cheated the KGB is what they're

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Speaker 4: calling this Operation Connor Stallions.

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Speaker 3: They kate the damn championship. It's not complicated, Dan, It's

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Speaker 3: really simple. It is really easy.

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Speaker 2: It is really easy, especially Mancy to add on to

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Speaker 2: your magnificent point when you talk about not wanting to

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Speaker 2: punish future generations of Michigan players and coaches who are

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Speaker 2: a part of this, this is part of the problem

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Speaker 2: is giving them a postseason ban. People said, well, these

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Speaker 2: players weren't a part of that. Well, you have a

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Speaker 2: current head coach who was still a part of it.

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Speaker 2: When you have Jim Harbaugh who skips out of town.

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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh's show cost penalties go through twenty thirty eight.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be seventy five years old at that time.

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Speaker 2: You think he's gonna want to get back into college

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Speaker 2: football when he's seventy five years old. No, he has

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Speaker 2: no intentions of ever going back to college football because

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Speaker 2: he achieved what he wanted to achieve, and that's bringing

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Speaker 2: a national championship to his alma mater at any cost possible,

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Speaker 2: doing everything that you just laid out. The simplicity of

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Speaker 2: how you laid it out is magnificent, because that's what

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Speaker 2: it comes down to. If you struck them at the

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Speaker 2: an argument of people saying, we saw them play on

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Speaker 2: There's no denying it. That is incorrect because all of

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Speaker 2: those wins and the wins leading up to building that

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Speaker 2: team were aided by the fact that they had improper

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Speaker 2: and illegal intelligence on other schools. So it was part

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Speaker 2: of that even when they gave the Big Ten gave

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Speaker 2: Michigan a three game ban and gave Jim Harbad a

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Speaker 2: three game ban as this was unfolding during that season,

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Speaker 2: the three game ban was just a slap on the wrist,

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Speaker 2: and now it pales absolutely in comparison. They really didn't

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Speaker 2: have the Big Ten anything to stand on to do

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Speaker 2: anything to give them a penalty. But they also realized

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Speaker 2: that Michigan is their cash cow and was on their

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Speaker 2: way to a national championship. So there's a whole other

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Speaker 2: argument of other people benefiting from Michigan's national championship, including

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Speaker 2: the Big Ten at that time. But to your point

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Speaker 2: of when Michigan is going to look back on their

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Speaker 2: they'll probably do it five years from now, they're going

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Speaker 2: to get the loudest ovation because they came through this

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Speaker 2: the loudest ovation because they will be honoring their national

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Speaker 2: championship team that you correctly said should have been taken

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Speaker 2: away because of these sanctions. And that's the most difficult

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Speaker 2: part about it is there are a lot of arguments,

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Speaker 2: and Doug was in for Colin Cowherd earlier today saying

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Speaker 2: that these financial ramifications are going to limit the school

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Speaker 2: and limit the program in the future. We'll see, we'll

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Speaker 2: see how much that happens. But right now, people want flesh,

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Speaker 2: they want blood, They want an eye for an eye,

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Speaker 2: and a tooth for a tooth, and an essence. It

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Speaker 2: feels that Michigan got away almost scott free.

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Speaker 4: They absolutely got away with it. And if I'm any

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Speaker 4: got maybe a coach that's like, you know, I'm ready

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Speaker 4: to retire in a couple of years, why don't we

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Speaker 4: chi and just get a fall guy because we know

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Speaker 4: they're not going to vacate the championship, and then we're good.

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Speaker 3: This that's just a bad precedent.

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Speaker 2: I think that the sign stealing scandal on the surface

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Speaker 2: one off, right, but it's not the one operation. Well,

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Speaker 2: it was not only an operation, Manzi. It's on top

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Speaker 2: of the previous scandal right that went on that they

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Speaker 2: were then punished by the NC DOUBLEA. But it's also

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Speaker 2: the failure to cooperate. Isn't that the other thing that

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Speaker 2: we have been told in terms of like, if you're

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Speaker 2: dealing with law enforcement, the cover up is worse than

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Speaker 2: the crime. And so when we look at the crime

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Speaker 2: of sign stealing, it may not be as malicious as

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Speaker 2: something And there may be other operations that aren't as

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Speaker 2: elaborate as conter Stallions did that are around college football

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Speaker 2: that we don't know about. But it's the fact that

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Speaker 2: Michigan gave a stiff arm to the NC DOUBLEA and

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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh was the one who was not cooperating. Sharon

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Speaker 2: She's Monzi Bologno. So I'm Dan Byer Michigan finds out

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Speaker 3: Oh what's up? Everybody? Happy Friday.

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Speaker 4: Doug Gottlieb was in for Colin Cowherd this morning, So

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Speaker 3: It's already one o'clock.

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Speaker 4: If I was not here with Dan, I would probably

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Speaker 4: I would be I'd be afraid if you made me

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Speaker 2: That's That's about it.

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Speaker 2: I would try to flip it all up. Cocktail is

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Speaker 4: It's like a what is that I'm blaking out on

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Speaker 2: Those shows like you have to yell. It's what makes

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Speaker 4: more complicated for me than it needs to be.

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Speaker 3: And I'm somebody who.

435
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,239
Speaker 4: Does look for these games, But now I'm gonna be like,

436
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 4: no NBA on TNT, what games am I really.

437
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 3: Going to tune into?

438
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 4: Because, like you said, aside from the Clippers, like you said,

439
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 4: it's a long season. This isn't comparable to the NFL

440
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 4: putting one off games on streaming services. For eighteen weeks

441
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 4: of the season twenty two. You get what I'm saying, Like,

442
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 4: it's not the same. So I don't know what basketball

443
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 4: is thinking because it does seem like this is shoving

444
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 4: out maybe a lot of the casual fans. It should

445
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 4: be easy for me to tune into a game, not

446
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 4: more difficult.

447
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 2: I and I sound like a dinosaur.

448
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: How really can do?

449
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: But I just I I have a satellite DirecTV package

450
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: and I know those are becoming fewer and fewer. I

451
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: am more curious on people who have unplugged from that,

452
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 2: like Jason Stewart. I don't know what your TV set up.

453
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: Do you have cable satellite stream?

454
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 4: We do to direct TV the like app, So I

455
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 4: don't have like a SAP, but I do have cable

456
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 4: like an app that is streaming, but it's like the

457
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 4: cable channels right, like I have TV. I have Amazon Prime,

458
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 4: but I don't have Peacock. I'm not gonna add it now.

459
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: I will watch the NFL games on Thursday night on

460
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: Amazon Yeah, and maybe not think twice about it, but

461
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: I'll be honest when halftime comes around, I do feel

462
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: a little bit handcuffed. Okay, Now do I drop out

463
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: of the app. Hopefully that the Apple work to get

464
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: back up. And that's just for one of two hundred

465
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 2: and seventy two NFL games that we get in the season.

466
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: When you have thirty teams playing eighty two games, there's

467
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 2: a lot of basketball for me to consume, none of

468
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: which I'm probably going to unless you're playing fantasy basketball

469
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 2: or betting on the games that I'm gonna or if

470
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 2: it's not the box playing, I'm not going to have

471
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: that dire of a need to watch. I just feel

472
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 2: that the NBA doesn't give you a lot of reasons

473
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 2: to watch regular season basketball, and now they're making it

474
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 2: more difficult for you to watch it with it being

475
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: on these streaming services on these selective nights.

476
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Speaker 3: They are making it more difficult.

477
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Speaker 4: And I can only assume that those like big games

478
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 4: that you and I and everybody else wants to watch

479
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 4: are probably going to be on NBC, ABC on different days,

480
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 4: those people were already going to tune in. But all

481
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 4: the other games that you're talking about, which is what

482
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 4: we're mentioning here to the NBA, you're not making the

483
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 4: right decision for all those other games that you should

484
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 4: be trying to make easily accessible to the casual fan.

485
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: It misses the mark absolutely to me. To me, it does.

486
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: I think the NBA the way to make it better

487
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 2: is to and I know this isn't a real way

488
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: of thinking, but would be to provide less games, like

489
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: to provide to make it more of the one off.

490
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: So a long long time ago, Manci, before you were

491
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: even born, Jason and Isaac and myself remember this. Chris

492
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 2: is too young to remember it. But there were games

493
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: of the week and so it was a big deal,

494
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: especially in Major League Baseball. No grated, we didn't have

495
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 2: as many options, but still it's not like there are

496
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: forty two channels with games on them like they're still

497
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: it's either ESPN or in this case now NBC having

498
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: the games and previously the Turner channels. But it made

499
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: it a must watch thing. Having games on every night

500
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: makes it less of an immediate need to watch the games,

501
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: and now if I have to do more to watch

502
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: those games, it's not working. You're pointing comparing it to

503
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: the NFL is completely right. They're not comparable. No sapples

504
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 2: to oranges. It doesn't work.

505
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 4: And this is coming from an actual NBA fan that

506
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 4: I like to watch other teams than the Clippers. But

507
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 4: now you're making me be You're making me feel like

508
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 4: it's a hassle, and I shouldn't feel that way.

509
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 2: When your birthday is late January.

510
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 4: Right it is?

511
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: Yes, here's his man genuary. Yes it is, so on

512
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 2: January twenty sixth on Peacock you can watch the Magic Cavaliers,

513
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: Trailblazers or Celtics and the Warriors and the Timberwolves. Or

514
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: you could just wait the next night and watch the

515
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: Bucks and Sixers and Clippers and Jazz. So if you

516
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: had to, like, would you, is there anything that would

517
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 2: make you say, you know what, I'm going to watch

518
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: Magic Calves, even though then tomorrow no, I'm going to

519
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: watch this game. And then on Wednesday you've got more

520
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 2: games that you can end up watching on ESPN. Like

521
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: that's the an NBC's is going to be different, by

522
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: the way, I believe that that the West Coast is

523
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 2: going to get the late game in their primetime and

524
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: then the East Coast will have the early game in

525
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: their primetime, and the other game is going to be

526
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: on Peacock. I believe that's the understanding. So it's not

527
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: like you're getting an NBC double header every single night.

528
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 2: I think that they are staggered on Peacock and NBC

529
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: for the specific coast. But it's just the point of

530
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: if you don't have a dog in the fight. I

531
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 2: know you have a clip with the Clippers and that's

532
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,239
Speaker 2: a bad example, But if you wanted to watch get

533
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: your NBA fixed with Bucks and Sixers, there'd be no

534
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: reason to watch Blazer Celtics or Matt you know, Magic

535
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: and Calves. As you're as.

536
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 4: You're telling me all this, I'm like, why are we

537
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 4: complicating the situation for NBA fans? Because if there is

538
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 4: a game that I think I'm gonna catch on a

539
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 4: certain day of the week and I turn turn it

540
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 4: on and it's not there, I'm gonna.

541
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 3: Get over it really quickly.

542
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 4: Like by the end of the season, I feel like

543
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 4: the numbers are gonna be really low for the NBA.

544
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 4: People are gonna be tired of keeping the schedule. I

545
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 4: can barely keep my own schedule. Now I'm gonna have

546
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 4: to be like, Okay, on Mondays, where where are we playing?

547
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: Who's forget it? Forget it? Put on reruns of Law

548
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 4: and Order. I don't even care anymore.

549
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: It's also it also shows you the value of inside

550
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: the NBA is that you just knew that that show

551
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: was gonna be on on Thursday, so you may have

552
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: tuned into the game. Whether the game was good or not.

553
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: I was gonna say people were tuning in for them

554
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 4: the game was. The game was like an added bonus.

555
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 4: But you you watched NBA on T and T to

556
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 4: watch the guys.

557
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: The game was just supplemental. Is that the word?

558
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: Is it right?

559
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 5: Yes?

560
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: No, that's yeah, Addison all that. No, it supplements the

561
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: house game show that we all would rather watch. Jason,

562
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: you cut the cord a while, I think it have

563
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: gone streaming. How do you view this as someone who

564
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: isn't a satellite or cable user A.

565
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 7: Couple of things. I think saying that I still have

566
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 7: cable but it's on an app is the cutest way

567
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 7: to say I cut the cord that I've ever heard.

568
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 7: I still have cable, but it's on an app.

569
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 3: It is it?

570
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: It got it o streaming.

571
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 7: I cut the cord real early, like twenty eighteen, and

572
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 7: I am a very casual NBA fan. In fact, I

573
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 7: don't even know if I didn't work in the industry,

574
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 7: I don't even know if I would follow the NBA anymore,

575
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 7: so this to me completely takes me out. I'm definitely

576
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 7: not seeking out NBA games on Peacock, and I think

577
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 7: a lot of our listeners probably followed in my category.

578
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 7: I think a lot of the decisions that the NBA

579
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 7: has made over the past couple years has catered to

580
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 7: their like p onees, their NBA fans, as opposed to

581
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 7: trying to draw more into the tent. Right the play

582
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 7: in game for the playoffs, who's that serving NBA fans?

583
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 7: The NBA Cup is serving NBA fans. Whatever the hell

584
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 7: they're doing with their All Star weekend now is definitely

585
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 7: serving only NBA fans because I'm not interested.

586
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: I do think that the play in tournament did something

587
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: with the fan bases of those teams to keep those

588
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: fan bases interested, yes, in a bit longer to think

589
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: that they have a chance or have the opportunity to

590
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: make the playoffs, and keep them more interested in the

591
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: regular season.

592
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 4: I think it brought excitement, but it was just short lived,

593
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 4: and it might not be for all the fan bases

594
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 4: like you're saying, but it does bring a level of

595
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 4: excitement that we weren't experiencing in the middle of the season.

596
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: The game like when Jah Moran had like forty something

597
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: against the Warriors, and we were actually fortunate to get

598
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: like the Warriors and Lakers in these games to make

599
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: them interesting. I think that was like the newness of it,

600
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: and it's exciting now that it's been here a couple

601
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: of years. I think, to Jason's point, maybe it's worn off,

602
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: but I feel like their decision making behind what the

603
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: play in tournament was was to try to keep more

604
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: fan bases interested to have their team still be in

605
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: the running for a playoff spot. These decisions are being

606
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: made for the people who are already going to consume

607
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: the NBA and not trying to bring in more people

608
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: to watch the product.

609
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

610
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 3: No, these decisions are made for money. Yeah, yes, that's

611
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: what this is really all about.

612
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: And it's just sad because if you want to keep

613
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 4: this simple in black and white, this is about money,

614
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 4: and you are not doing this for the casual basketball fan.

615
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 4: When you were already losing viewership, you were already losing that,

616
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 4: so why.

617
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: Why divide it even more? Why make it more complicated.

618
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: I'm having a hard time with this.

619
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 7: Can we talk about the app experience in any sport,

620
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 7: and I even come across this on the NFL stuff

621
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 7: like Christmas Day or whatever. When you're just watching the app,

622
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 7: you very much lose that channel surfing during breaks, channel

623
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 7: surfing during downtown. Unless you've got multiple tea you need

624
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 7: to do something to fix that, some technology. I don't

625
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 7: know what the answer is, but going to an app

626
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 7: for a game, and I've done it for the Caitlin

627
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 7: Clark games, You're just stuck on this Amazon app without it,

628
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 7: without any channel surfing. What's the fix there?

629
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have no idea, and I have

630
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: wondered if there are other like if you could if

631
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: you could just use your channel changer like an app,

632
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: but there's still stuff within that that you would have

633
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: to access the game because of all the opportunities of programming, and.

634
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 3: Then scroll through here, scroll through that. Get it.

635
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 4: It's not like just changing the channel. I agree with you, Jason,

636
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 4: and that's what I'm saying. It's like if I'm trying

637
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 4: to watch a game and let's just hypothetically say I

638
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 4: get Peacock and I try to load Peacock and it

639
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 4: doesn't work, I'm gonna be over it so fast, and

640
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 4: that's the problem. It should be easily accessible to me.

641
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 4: I shouldn't have to go through hoops and things to

642
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 4: try and you know, watch a damn game.

643
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 8: Can I ask the group a question along these lines,

644
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 8: for all of you, when you've been watching games on

645
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 8: apps and devices, how often does the stream at least

646
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 8: temporarily either stop working entirely or there's a problem with

647
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 8: the video quality of the feed, like it's all blurry?

648
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 8: And how many times does it just cut out all

649
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 8: together every damn day?

650
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: Really? Me too? I too. It hasn't as much to me.

651
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 7: Nice, but it speaks to your internet connection.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean we're you know, to the top level. No,

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Speaker 2: I've watched game on the golf course on my phone.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so like no, I like it, like it, but

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Speaker 4: it's such a flex No.

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Speaker 2: It's not the technology of I. I it's not. And

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Speaker 2: that's the part where I think where I'm trying not

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Speaker 2: to sound like get off my long gun. And I

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Speaker 2: know Chris wants to jump in. I just want to

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Speaker 2: quick make this point of I don't think it's about

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Speaker 2: the technology and being old. I think it's about the

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Speaker 2: NBA valuing their product in a way that they think

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Speaker 2: we want to consume it seven nights a week, and

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Speaker 2: now I have to do extra work to do it.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the gross misjudgment on this is

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Speaker 2: the NFL is great because we don't have it every

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Speaker 2: night and the season is shorter, so we are always

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Speaker 2: craving it. We are already complaining about more basketball. Now

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Speaker 2: you're giving us more basketball, and you're making it more

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Speaker 2: difficult for me to watch it.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: That's where I think that they've completely missed the boat

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Speaker 2: on what the casual fan really wants. And again Manzi says,

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Speaker 2: it goes back to Wenny Chris Papet.

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Speaker 9: You know, the sport that's on every night that like

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Speaker 9: doesn't take up any of our attention span a lot

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Speaker 9: is baseball. So like, I mean, I like baseball, but

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Speaker 9: it is absolutely I'm willing to throw a Tigers game

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Speaker 9: on in the background kind of thing. I think if

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Speaker 9: basketball keeps putting itself out there like this, it kind

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Speaker 9: of threatens to be that, but they want to be

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Speaker 9: the event.

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Speaker 2: And the other point that the main tack. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: but it is a great, great point because the NBA

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Speaker 2: needs to think more like Major League baseball and not

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Speaker 2: like the NFL.

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Speaker 9: Right, so they have they have too many games to

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Speaker 9: be an event, but they want that event or that

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Speaker 9: the NFL has, and it's just they're always going to

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Speaker 9: lose out. But I think the big thing that the

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Speaker 9: problem here more than anything, and it's a problem for

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Speaker 9: every sports league out there, is as you're embracing streaming technology,

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Speaker 9: all these frustrations you're all talking about, that is a

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Speaker 9: negative for everyone. That will eventually drive people away. And

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Speaker 9: I think as much as they've seen them, the dollar

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Speaker 9: signs with Amazon, Peacock, Netflix. I I'm a big soccer

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Speaker 9: fan and I saw and MLS retreated their entire package

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Speaker 9: behind Apple TV plus the next that same year, after

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Speaker 9: they did that, they had a sixty percent drop in

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Speaker 9: the MLS Cup Final that they put on main big

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Speaker 9: time Fox TV. Sixty percent of the audience went away

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Speaker 9: because nobody you're you're managing, as you say, multiple apps,

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Speaker 9: Do you have Peacock, do you have Amazon? And I

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Speaker 9: think that that is something losing channel flipping, all these

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Speaker 9: things add up to an experience that is a almost

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Speaker 9: more expensive now than cable in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 9: and b pushes the casual fan away and just I

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Speaker 9: think you start losing the accessibility of sports entirely. And

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Speaker 9: I just wonder at some point does the does does

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Speaker 9: that rooster come home? Does those hens come home to roost?

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Speaker 9: For the NBA and they see their ratings likewise, try

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Speaker 9: to go from a streaming ecosystem back to network TV

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Speaker 9: and then the ratings tank.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think both of you are hitting it on the

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Speaker 4: head where it's like you think you're making this more accessible,

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Speaker 4: but you're actually not. There were times when I would

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Speaker 4: you'd be able to watch an NBA game, and sometimes

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Speaker 4: it was it would go from ESPN to like T

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Speaker 4: and T and they would tell you, oh, you know,

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Speaker 4: next game is over there, and I just hit a

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Speaker 4: button and I'd go back to it.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's it's not making it simple for me.

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Speaker 4: And I agree with what you're saying, Chris, it should

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Speaker 4: they should look more at baseball. I don't know how

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Speaker 4: basketball doesn't take advantage of like day games more often

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Speaker 4: during the during the regular season, have a noon game.

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Speaker 2: People will go, sure, be off right now.

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Speaker 3: People love did not go to work.

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Speaker 9: M WEILB has their own very strong app and MLBtv

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Speaker 9: as well. And I think back like ten years ago,

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Speaker 9: League Pass was a cool thing, and I don't hear

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Speaker 9: about League Pass anymore, and I don't think League Pass

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Speaker 9: really holds the candle to what they do.

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Speaker 2: Believe. Bess is a big thing within NBA Twitter, and

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Speaker 2: that's and that's the point, is Adam Silver in the

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Speaker 2: NBA are catering to the to that audience, to the

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Speaker 2: NBA Twitter audience, and to a place where they can

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Speaker 2: catch their checks. To Moncey's point, I don't think it

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Speaker 2: does anything for us to like the NBA regular season

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Speaker 2: more since we've been complaining about it for years and

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Speaker 2: now this just gives us more difficulty to try to

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Speaker 2: to try to like something that we already are frustrated with.

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Speaker 6: Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: Doug Gollim Show Fox Sports Radio. She's Moncey Bolanos. I'm

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Speaker 2: Dan Byer in for Doug today. Hit her up at

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Speaker 2: Moncey Bolano son X. You can also find me at

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Speaker 2: Dan Byer on Fox.

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Speaker 3: What about Blue Sky Blue.

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Speaker 2: Sky had Dan Byer I got to freak that up.

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Speaker 2: It's been a little it's been a little while.

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Speaker 4: Let's get you another follower, so you're up to what

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Speaker 4: forty seven?

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Speaker 2: No? Oh, I've I cracked the two hundred mark a

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Speaker 2: while ago, Manzi. Oh, okay, I'll grab my phone here

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Speaker 2: in a second and let you know what the official

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Speaker 2: number is. The special number right now is thirty four.

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Speaker 2: It's the maximum number of primetime games that the NBA

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Speaker 2: wants teams to appear in. And there are four teams

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Speaker 2: as the NBA schedule came out that reached that magic

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Speaker 2: number of thirty four. The Oklahoma City Thunder you're defending

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Speaker 2: NBA champions, not a surprise. The Los Angeles Lakers. They

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Speaker 2: could be two and eighty and I think that they

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Speaker 2: would get thirty four primetime games the next season. The

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Speaker 2: Golden State Warriors and the New York Knicks where the

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Speaker 2: other team that got the max primetime benefit from the NBA.

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Speaker 2: And I just I look at those teams, Manzi, and

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Speaker 2: I understand Oklahoma City, and it's kind of like, you

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Speaker 2: have to do that.

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Speaker 3: You have to It would have been a story in itself.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the Knicks are obvious because they're the only team.

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Speaker 2: It feels like that the NBA has to market in

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Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference right now. And I know that Luca's

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Speaker 2: in LA and it's the Lakers, and I joke about

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Speaker 2: their record, but it's a Lebron and Steph thing as well, Hm,

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Speaker 2: with how big those brands are. But it just is

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Speaker 2: surprising to me, and it still feels like the NBA

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Speaker 2: doesn't have any sort of plan on what life's going

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Speaker 2: to be like when Lebron and Steph leave at some point.

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Speaker 2: Shouldn't you take these other teams? Shouldn't you take like

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Speaker 2: a Timberwolves team, make sure that Anthony Edwards are the

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Speaker 2: Spurs who we think are going to be really good,

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Speaker 2: and just not shove them down our throats, but they

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Speaker 2: should be at the level of these other teams that

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Speaker 2: are also getting maximum primetime exposure.

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Speaker 4: But but push them a little down our throats. Not

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Speaker 4: shove them, but push them a little because I predict

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Speaker 4: that Let's hypothetically say the Thunder don't win this year, right,

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Speaker 4: it looks like the Thunder have a.

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Speaker 3: Good chance to repeat.

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Speaker 4: But I feel like if the Thunder don't repeat next year,

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Speaker 4: we're having this conversation they're not going to have as

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Speaker 4: many primetime games.

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Speaker 3: They don't want them to have that many primetime games.

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Speaker 4: Sure they did it out of respect because you want

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Speaker 4: and there are other teams that you're just like, really,

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Speaker 4: these are not teams that the Clippers are, like not

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Speaker 4: even on the list. When you saw the list of

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Speaker 4: the teams with the most primetime games, Clippers weren't even shown,

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Speaker 4: And I was like, how is that They're not even

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Speaker 4: in the top ten of the primetime games, which I'm

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Speaker 4: a little bit surprised about because yes, I know we're

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Speaker 4: the unks. I know we got all the old people,

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Speaker 4: but Curry and Lebron are still, you know, bringing in

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Speaker 4: the attention.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just being biased.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's because all your games are going to start

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Speaker 2: at two in the afternoon, because so it's not technically

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Speaker 2: primetime because the team is so old. That's why they're

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Speaker 2: going to be in bed by seven when it's actually

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Speaker 2: prime time.

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Speaker 3: Such James Harden, he's going to be out partying.

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Speaker 2: The Timberwolves and Rockets were next with twenty eight. The

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Speaker 2: Spurs didn't even make the list of the top ten

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Speaker 2: teams to get the most TV games or stream games.

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Speaker 2: I'd listen, the Spurs of the two thousands, let's just

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Speaker 2: call them of the tim Duncan era. We love Tim Duncan.

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Speaker 2: He's the big fundamental. There's no flash right. This Spurs

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Speaker 2: team has some flash in pizazz and an absolute unicorn

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Speaker 2: in Victor wimbin Yama. How you do not have him

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Speaker 2: be the center point of what could be the future.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea, no sense. The Mavericks got twenty

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Speaker 2: three games, and they have the number one overall pick

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Speaker 2: and a possible future star in the NBA. And while

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Speaker 2: as much as I can't stand the Dallas landed the

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Speaker 2: Cooper Flag lottery, I feel they're being shortchanged and getting

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Speaker 2: the number of games that they got compared to everybody else.

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Speaker 2: Riding throughout the state of Ohio. That's where we had.

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Speaker 2: Now where Zach Jackson joins us. He covers the NFL

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Speaker 2: and the Cleveland Browns for the Athletic You can find

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Speaker 2: him on x at Akron Jackson. I mean other are

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Speaker 2: you gonna be able to get home Zach today? I mean,

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Speaker 2: are there riots throughout the state because of the miss

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Speaker 2: Michigan punishments or lack thereof that we found out today

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Speaker 2: in college football?

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Speaker 5: I'm in Philadelphia, Oh okay, yeah, so I have heard

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Speaker 5: you know about it and it is bitter there. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: Michigan's had the upper hands, so people are not pleased.

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Speaker 5: But I've been caught in the worst quarterback competition in

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Speaker 5: modern NFL history, So joy, where my energy's gone.

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Speaker 2: Joint practice is between the Browns and Eagles this week,

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Speaker 2: kept off by their preseason game coming up on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: So did last Friday's game with shud Or Sanders change

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Speaker 2: anything in the pecking order of the Browns quarterback dilemma?

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Speaker 5: No, it didn't change the pecking order. I think it

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Speaker 5: energized some of the sandbase, you know, and then he

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Speaker 5: gets hurt after one more time out, so I don't

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Speaker 5: know if it energized like the locker room and stuff, right.

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Speaker 5: I think it did temporarily, But no, no order has

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Speaker 5: changed for over three weeks, and that's because Kenny Pickett,

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Speaker 5: who a lot of people believe that the team wanted

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Speaker 5: to win it, has not been a full participant since then.

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Speaker 5: So Joe Flacco has him good, and I think really

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Speaker 5: really good in about four of the last five practices,

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Speaker 5: so he's won the job. But he really won the

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Speaker 5: job because there was no other competition, because Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 5: has not been good enough and Shador was not given

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Speaker 5: a chance, and Chador is not ready. Let me be

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Speaker 5: clear about that. Shador is talented, and last Friday showed

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Speaker 5: he's talented, and I think he's got a chance to

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Speaker 5: be an NFL starter down the road. But this competition

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Speaker 5: has never amounted. And it's to the point that three

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Speaker 5: of them have some level of injury we don't know.

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Speaker 5: And Tyler Huntley, who wasn't on the team, had to

867
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Speaker 5: come in and now it looks like he might play

868
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 5: the entire preseason tomorrow. So what a product that will be.

869
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 4: Zach, You've been there since the beginning with the Browns

870
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 4: drafting Schador Sanders, so much surrounding him, so much attention.

871
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 3: Have you been surprised at it?

872
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 4: How has he handled all of the eyes on him

873
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 4: from the start to now?

874
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 5: From what we know, he's handled it all great. Right now,

875
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 5: it kind of feels like the interaction last week was

876
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 5: a setup with his camera crew happening to be there.

877
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 5: But that's the world we live in to ron. Rookies

878
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 5: have camera crews, right, and kids do things different ways.

879
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 5: But I mean, from every impression I've gotten outside of

880
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 5: these beating tickets that he got the team likes what

881
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 5: he's done, how he's handled himself, how he's shown up

882
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 5: and asked questions, and his teammates love him. He's staying

883
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 5: on the field almost every day after for extra work

884
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 5: of some sort. And said, it's just weird with the injury,

885
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 5: and then it was extra deflating to the whole operation.

886
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody can run with that, right, But

887
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 5: I am maybe a little bit surprised at the popularity.

888
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 5: Not really, I thought I was braced for it. But

889
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 5: I think what's happened is the Shadoor crowd has made

890
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 5: it Shador versus Gabriel, right, and they're so mad that

891
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 5: he hasn't gotten first team reps. And hey, if you're

892
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 5: rooting for somebody like that, I get it, But I

893
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 5: just encourage people to think bigger because Shudar versus Gabriel

894
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 5: is not even a content like he is so much

895
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 5: more talented. It's not even a contest. So the Browns

896
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 5: have created this. They used the top one hundred pick

897
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 5: on Dylan Gabriel and then undercut him by taking a

898
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 5: guy thin he picks later who's much more talented than

899
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 5: he is. So here they are, and I would imagine

900
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 5: We're three days or so from Flacco being named the starter.

901
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 5: But where should her his health wise? And you know,

902
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 5: will he even be on the active roster? Will he

903
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 5: be on ir tost start the year. I don't know.

904
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 5: I think we're you know, it's going to be the

905
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 5: full ten days I think before we find that out.

906
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: Zach Jackson joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show

907
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. She's Monzie Blanio. So I'm Dan

908
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: Byer in for Doug today. What was ever the plan

909
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: then with Kenny Pickett? If Flaco has run away with it,

910
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: I know he's been dinged up, but what was there?

911
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: What was their goal in having him be a Brown

912
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: this season?

913
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 5: Well, he was the first one that they acquired, Dan,

914
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 5: you know, that was the first day of free agency

915
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 5: late in the day, and that trade came out of nowhere.

916
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 5: And then when we finally met Kenny when it became official,

917
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 5: he said that the Eagles had actually given him a

918
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 5: heads up that there was some trade talks out as

919
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 5: a courtesy, and none of them the more with the

920
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 5: Brown Like, none of the signals he got were the Browns, right,

921
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 5: So really, if that's March tenth ish for a full

922
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 5: month he was the only healthy quarterback because everybody knew

923
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 5: that Watson was not in the mix. Right, So, you know,

924
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 5: he is young, he started games, he moves well. I

925
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 5: think if he squint you see a fit with the

926
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 5: style that the Browns want to play and what he

927
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 5: can do. But he's just not very good and the

928
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 5: fact that he started twenty five games has but done

929
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 5: nothing but prove that.

930
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 2: Right.

931
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 5: So he is thirteen years younger than Joe Flacco. So

932
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 5: and he doesn't cost anything right now, so you could

933
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 5: see why they would want that. And you know, look,

934
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 5: they're in an awful, awful spot because of Deshaun Watson.

935
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 5: It's going to continue to hurt them down the road

936
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 5: because of the salary cap. Right, So what's the way out.

937
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 5: Either stumble into a guy like Kenny Pickett who has

938
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 5: a career renaissance, or stumble into your own rock party,

939
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 5: which is should or Sanders if it works out.

940
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 2: It just seems like there are always a step behind though,

941
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: Like they like Joe like that, Like it feels like

942
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 2: bringing flacoback this year was because he wanted to make

943
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: up for the mistake of not bringing him back last

944
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: year after the late surge. You just bring up the

945
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: Kenny Pigott thing and how the Browns weren't the ones

946
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: talking about him. I mean, it's just, yeah, it just

947
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: seems like the I don't know, it's just an absolute mess.

948
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 2: There just doesn't seem to be even a question for me.

949
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: But all of these examples of laying out, like bringing

950
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: flacoback now should have been done fifteen months ago.

951
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it couldn't because of Watson's fragile ego.

952
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 5: Bringing flacoback now like just kind of says everything about

953
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 5: the awkward intersection that this team is at. Because guys

954
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 5: in the locker room and there still are a lot

955
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 5: of good players on this team. They don't want to tank, right,

956
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 5: And like Joe came in and mastered the offense and

957
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 5: captivated the fan base and was awesome in the locker room, right,

958
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 5: and so he's beloved and like he can still really

959
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 5: fling it, and Jerry Judy looks great, And that is

960
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 5: their hope of winning any game in the month of

961
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 5: September is that Jojo gets hot and even if he

962
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 5: throws two interceptions, which he always does, as long as

963
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 5: he throws two touchdowns and maybe the defense can win

964
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 5: a form at the end, right, so you know they

965
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 5: there might be a time, and it might be sooner

966
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 5: than later that this team is tanking and looking forward

967
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 5: to that not just next year, but the future years.

968
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 5: But for Kevin Stefanski, for the coaches, for the older

969
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 5: offensive linemen, the four best offensive linemen are are only

970
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 5: signed through this year. They have to go try to win,

971
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 5: and if they can't beat the Bengals in Week one,

972
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 5: then look at that schedule and tell me when a

973
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 5: win is coming.

974
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 4: Zach, you brought up Jerry Judy and that was going

975
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 4: to be my next question, coming off the best year

976
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 4: of his career.

977
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 3: How is he connecting with Joe Flocko.

978
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 5: It was a slow start, but I think it's natural.

979
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 5: I think for the first time in several years, they've

980
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 5: had kind of a real training camp. Like now, obviously

981
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 5: it's been odd because of the quarterback injuries, but like

982
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 5: it looked really bad then all of a sudden in

983
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 5: the second and third week, you could start to see

984
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 5: some offense looking a little bit sharper. And yeah, I

985
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 5: mean they got shut out by the Eagles here on

986
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 5: day one of joint practices, but they were much better

987
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 5: yesterday and the two best passing players were flat out

988
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 5: of duty. He's just he looks really good and those

989
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 5: at least one of them was right on Quinny and Mitchell,

990
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 5: who's the rising star corner in this league. So you

991
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 5: know the next step for Judy is consistency. Right, But

992
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 5: we've seen the explosion and we saw the mega huge

993
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 5: game last year, but he stylistically flat Owen Judy should

994
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 5: be a really good fit.

995
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 2: Final question for Zach Jackson joining us here on Fox

996
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 2: Sports Radio, what happens now with Judkins? Like is he

997
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 2: do they expect to sign him? Is this? I mean,

998
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: now that he's clear from his charges, where does that stand?

999
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1000
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 5: I think he will sign. I think the if is

1001
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 5: out of the equation. I think he will sign. They're

1002
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 5: going to let the NFL complete its investigation and make

1003
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 5: its rulings. So I don't think he's going to play

1004
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 5: anytime soon. And that's not to say for sure that

1005
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 5: he's going to get suspended. It's in play. But he's

1006
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 5: missed off camp. You know, the rookies reported four weeks

1007
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 5: ago today and he has not been there for one thing.

1008
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 5: So I think you'll see quinche and Judkins play and

1009
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 5: probably play a lot for the Browns from from October on,

1010
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,959
Speaker 5: but it's not going to be early. But I still

1011
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 5: think that he will be deleting running back for this team.

1012
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 5: We just don't know exactly when and what a.

1013
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: Draft class you trade? Don you get another first but

1014
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: after that, yikes, Zach. We appreciate it. Enjoy the game

1015
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 2: as much as you can. On Saturday. I'd love to

1016
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: talk to you against you and appreciate it.

1017
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 5: All right, Thank you?

1018
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 2: Get Matt Action Jackson on X.

1019
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 3: Thanks Zach.

1020
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 4: Do you think he realized I was the one who

1021
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 4: slid into his DM.

1022
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: Once he did, She was trying to book him for

1023
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 2: her own shell on Sundays at Carrie Roads, five o'clock

1024
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 2: eastern to Pacific. Then he got back to you a

1025
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 2: couple of days later, but that's what happens. Yeah, volleyball nine.

1026
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: So then you didn't see it until this morning. Funny

1027
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: how those things work out. Hit Mancy up at monci Blanas.

1028
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: You could find me at dan Byer on Fox