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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger.

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Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love

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Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and eighty eight,

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Speaker 1: airing in early February of twenty twenty three. Our topic

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Speaker 1: is when things don't go as planned, because, as we

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Speaker 1: all know, life does not always go as planned. And

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Speaker 1: we say this as people who love to plan. However,

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's nearly as much tension between those

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Speaker 1: two concepts as it is often made out to be.

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Speaker 1: That you know, we plan even though life doesn't go

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Speaker 1: as planned, and there's really still some upsides too planning

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Speaker 1: when life doesn't go as planned, which we will talk about.

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Speaker 1: But speaking of things not going as planned, Sarah recently

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Speaker 1: recovered from a rather lovely illness, which, of course, illnesses

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Speaker 1: are never really planned and they never really come at

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Speaker 1: perfect moments. Right, How did you deal with that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like tested positive for everything. I mean it was

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Speaker 1: and I was like, maybe I should do tama flu

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Speaker 1: do tama flu. I went to Walgreens. I got a swab.

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Speaker 1: It was very easy, and then they called it. They're like,

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Speaker 1: you have flu A, you also have COVID, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: flu na and then rona. Stay on NPR up first,

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Speaker 1: which is like, as you know, or you may know,

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Speaker 1: it's like the only news source that I watch or

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Speaker 1: I am trendy, I've been trying exactly. That was definitely

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Speaker 1: time available in the near future, I don't have to

433
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Speaker 1: give them a date like you know, four weeks in advance,

434
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 1: and then clinically. I've talked about this, but I figured

435
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,959
Speaker 1: out that I need to just request random vacation days

436
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 1: throughout the year, like in addition to like the days

437
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 1: I know I want to be off sometimes to have

438
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Speaker 1: if there's like a long stretch and I haven't booked

439
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: anything in terms of paid time off days, I have

440
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 1: to actually reserve them. Because the thing is the way

441
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 1: we schedule so far out with patients. If I don't

442
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: have somewhere that's like open to move patients too, then

443
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: if something did come up, it's like, oh well, sorry, Sarah,

444
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 1: I know that's four months in advance, but like, you know,

445
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: if we move those patients, where were going to move them,

446
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 1: because you're boked until eight months in advance. And it's like,

447
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: oh my god. So I figured out that I just

448
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 1: have to like leave some of these random one offs

449
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: and worst case scenario if I decide, oh, I don't

450
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: actually need to use that day. I mean, first of all,

451
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 1: I can usually always talk myself into using a day,

452
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,919
Speaker 1: but if I can't, then the nature of what I

453
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: do is that usually there's many patients we could put

454
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Speaker 1: in as like, hey, we have an opening, would you

455
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: like to come sooner? And we could fill that day

456
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: without a problem. So definitely love the concept of a

457
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 1: resilient schedule. And I think part of that is just

458
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Speaker 1: don't pack it like sardines with one thing right next

459
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Speaker 1: to each other. Don't pack your zoom meetings, you know,

460
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: eleven to twelve and twelve to one, Like it should

461
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Speaker 1: be like eleven to eleven forty and twelve to twelve

462
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Speaker 1: twenty five or you know, whatever it is. Yeah, I

463
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 1: feel like this is when people get really into scheduling.

464
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: At the beginning. It's often with like young people, and

465
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Speaker 1: so there's some kids and you know, teens who start

466
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Speaker 1: getting into scheduling right and then they create these every

467
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: five minute schedules for their evening or it's like no, no,

468
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: life doesn't go like that. That's but you have to

469
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Speaker 1: discover that often on your but you allocate five minutes

470
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: to X and then five minutes to why, you won't

471
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: stick with any of it. You won't remember it. But

472
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes people are still doing that as adults

473
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Speaker 1: of like thinking they will get through all these things.

474
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Speaker 1: But the more open space you have, the better you

475
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: will be able to accommodate stuff that goes wrong. You know.

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Speaker 1: I attempt to leave Fridays more open because then if

477
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Speaker 1: something takes longer than expected, there's a place to put

478
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 1: the spill over. I can still get to it on

479
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: Friday without having to bump it to the next week,

480
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: which will probably have crises of its own. You know,

481
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Speaker 1: if an emergency happens and something gets bumped from earlier

482
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Speaker 1: in the week, it can go on Friday. Or if

483
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Speaker 1: something really cool comes up right like that I didn't

484
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: know about at the beginning of the week and as

485
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: some brand new opportunity, then I've got space on Friday

486
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: to schedule anything that needs to happen with that to

487
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: bring that to fruition. So definitely something I'm trying to do.

488
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Speaker 1: I know not everyone can do that. I'm well aware

489
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Speaker 1: of that. That's the first thing people say, well, I

490
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Speaker 1: can't leave all of Friday. I'm not saying you have to.

491
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: I'm saying put some open space in your life. So

492
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Speaker 1: maybe it's you know, an open hour a day. Maybe

493
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Speaker 1: it is two afternoons a week are mostly open with

494
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: just a little bit here and there. But but whatever

495
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: you can do to get in the habit of leaving

496
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: a little bit more open space. It sounds like, well,

497
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: how could I am so busy? You'll be less busy

498
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: if you do this, because then you won't keep bumping

499
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 1: stuff to the next week. And that's what makes us

500
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: feel all tightly packed, is when we're still catching up

501
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 1: from the previous stuff as we're trying to deal with

502
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: this stuff that's you know, immediately in front of us.

503
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: So I just realized it's like, it's like a time

504
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: emergency fund. It is a time emergency fund. That's a

505
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: that's a good way to refer to it because and

506
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Speaker 1: in fact, in one of the people who was in

507
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 1: the tranquility by Tuesday Project who learned the strategy of

508
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: building a more open space. She says, I felt almost

509
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 1: too relaxed. Isn't that quite a line? But she said

510
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: she did everything she was supposed to do that week right,

511
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Speaker 1: Like everything got done. So clearly she had just been

512
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: living in this state of panic in her previous life

513
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: without the space to put the spill over, and you

514
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: know that creates its own problems. She had been living

515
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: the equivalent of paycheck to paycheck as far as time

516
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: was concerned. And having open space is like having that

517
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: emergency fund. So when your roof springs a leak, you

518
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: are not going into debt. You were just paying it,

519
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: Move it on with your life, love it. And then

520
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: finally I think we wanted to talk about the idea

521
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Speaker 1: that like sometimes we had to like shift our perspective

522
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Speaker 1: on plans changing. And this is partly for me because

523
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: I loved a plan and I don't like when plans change.

524
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: But sometimes I have to recognize, like what is an

525
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: actual emergency and what is more crafted or artificial. So

526
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: for example, moving a podcast recording or even gasp, releasing

527
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Speaker 1: an episode one daily like not actually an emergency. Nobody's

528
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: bleeding like it's okay, or you know, moving a day

529
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Speaker 1: of patience to a different day, or like having to

530
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: not even go on that trip with my husband that

531
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: I was so looking forward to and then we both

532
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: got COVID and drove home and it like sucked. Like

533
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 1: as frustrating as those things are, like perspective, We're healthy,

534
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: we made it through. We can take more trips in

535
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: the future. That wasn't our last chance. And sometimes to

536
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: just you know, remember that things that seem very rigid

537
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: and very well, this is what I had planned, Like,

538
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: you know, the worst case scenario is not actually that bad. Obviously,

539
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: there are things in life where the worst case scenario,

540
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, is that bad. Getting your kid a refill

541
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: of a medication that keeps them alive, for example, that's

542
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: like an actual emergency, but like moving your family trip not.

543
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: And then part of that is celebrate when things do

544
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: go right. And sometimes we don't pause to acknowledge this

545
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: that like, oh that went well, things did go as planned.

546
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: You know, I should note that, especially if we're prone

547
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: to think of, oh, you know, why even plan, Like

548
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: I can't stick with the plan, so why even bother me?

549
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: And there's many things that do go right. I mean,

550
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, after a couple of years of you guys

551
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: having a COVID Christmas issues, Yeah, you had a great

552
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: trip and nobody was sick on that trip and nobody

553
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 1: got hurt exactly so. And honestly, if I had had

554
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: to choose whether my July trip got messed up or

555
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: that trip got messed up, I would have picked the

556
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: July trip getting messed up. So there you go. You

557
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: win some, you lose them, but you win some. You

558
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: win some, you win some, and in fact sometimes we

559
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: win some when things like go. I mean, you're talking

560
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: about things don't go as planned. I mean that sounds like,

561
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, we've been mostly talking about it in a

562
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: kind of negative context of things coming up that are

563
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: not planned, that are taking us away from what we

564
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: had hoped to do in a somewhat negative way. Although

565
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier it's sometimes a good opportunity would come

566
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: and you want to have space for that too. So

567
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: maybe have that mindset as well, that sometimes things go

568
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: unexpectedly right, like you're not planning for them, like blind

569
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: luck can happen. You know, we've been pondering that. This February,

570
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: I was mentioning this Sarah that on February fifteen of

571
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, so exactly twenty years ago of

572
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: this month, I walked into a bar in New York

573
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: City that was my second bar of the night because

574
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: I was young and did things like that then, you know,

575
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: and I was a friend was bored and texting base.

576
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, fine, I'll leave this party I'm

577
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: at and go hang out with her, and then started

578
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: talking to a gentleman at the bar, and you know,

579
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: here we are twenty years later, so with a lot

580
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: of kids, with a lot of kids. You know, it's

581
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: a good thing you didn't mention that at the bar.

582
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: I probably would have been fleeing out the door unexpected

583
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: working out. I worked out. Yeah, yeah, blind luck, you know,

584
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: blind luck that this podcast existed, ready to start a

585
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: podcast when I was writing about starting a podcast. So like, hey,

586
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: you just never know. Here we are five and a

587
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: half years later, right, you know, So all these things

588
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: that wind up being a big part of our lives

589
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: that we don't necessarily see coming, So leave ourselves open

590
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: to opportunity as well when things don't go as planned.

591
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: So we're gonna do a real quick check in on

592
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: our goals and habits. We've been hearing from a lot

593
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: of folks about our Goals episode. People who listen to

594
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: this podcast just love goals, you know, it's the we're

595
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: into that. I love it. I love that they love it.

596
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: And yes, I've gotten like comments from people I know

597
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: in real life that listened to that episode, and I

598
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: was like, wow, awesome exactly. So we thought we'd do

599
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: like a rapid fire like update, like a very checking in. Okay,

600
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: so one month in, Sarah, what have you done? I

601
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: tracked time for two weeks. I have appreciated some art.

602
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: I went to a movie in the theaters. I saw

603
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: a man called Auto and I cried. I have been

604
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: listening to more music yesterday this like, oh, I don't

605
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: remember the name of the band, but it was like

606
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: this Welsh band and I'm like, who knew? I liked

607
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: Welsh Welsh music like it sounded like Irish dancing. It

608
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: was awesome. Anyway, I'll put in the show notes or something.

609
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: I have been watching more TV. You remember. That was

610
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: my goal, although it was mostly when I was sick,

611
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: but still are library routine is like on point, loving it,

612
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: and my house is not any more organized than it

613
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: was at the end of twenty twenty two. But I

614
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: have high hopes and I am not giving good. Well,

615
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: my house is slightly more organized, Like I'll go ahead

616
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: and you know, do my little like shout out for

617
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: myself here, because I have been assigning myself like one

618
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: small spot per weekend, which I think is a good pace.

619
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: Like you're not gonna you can tell your something like, well,

620
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get through all the boxes this week You're not,

621
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: because like you still have everything else that you have

622
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: to do, you know, you grocery shopping or laundry, you know,

623
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: deal with the kids' activities and all that, and then

624
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: you want to relax. Like the amount of time you

625
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: have for discretionary projects on any given weekend is incredibly limited,

626
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: so you want to make sure that it is focused.

627
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: And so I said, Okay, I'm gonna do like these

628
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 1: four boxes in the living room this weekend, and then

629
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the boxes in the other corner the

630
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: next weekend, and then I'm gonna do this stuff in

631
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,239
Speaker 1: the laundry room the next weekend. And each weekend I

632
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: have and I have gotten through that, and so now

633
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: we have far fewer boxes in the living room. It

634
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: is almost ready for the lamps, which we learned in

635
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: the previous episode. It needs we are getting stuff out

636
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: the door, so I'm hoping to, you know, assign myself

637
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: a few more spots over the next time. But a

638
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: goal was to get the boxes unpacked, and I would

639
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: say that there are significantly fewer boxes now than there

640
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: were when we recorded that episode. So yay strength training.

641
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: I am meeting with the trainer as discussed in the

642
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: previous episode, so yay on that. I am also reading

643
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: ten pages a day of my Jane Jane Austen. I'm

644
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: in her Juvenilia, although I'm finding out that some of

645
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: her half finished work has been put in the Juvenile

646
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Speaker 1: even though she might have written it later. So I've

647
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: still going to have to organize how I read the

648
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: stuff that is not in the sixth novel canon that

649
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: people know of. Stay tuned. I'm sure those of you

650
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: who are Jane Austin scholars were hanging on every We're

651
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: just waiting to hear how I would deal with that

652
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: issue on the reading, and maybe you have ideas and

653
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: so our Jane Austen scholars can write me about that.

654
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: I've been writing two lines a day and my sonne

655
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: every day completed. You know. We're recording this in sort

656
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: of late January. I've completed three, halfway through four. It

657
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: is very doable. I'm excited about it. I will have

658
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: written fifty two sonnets probably at the end of the

659
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: year singing. So I'm doing a little bit more of

660
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: vocal exercises, probably not as much as I thought I would.

661
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: But here's the funny part. So I'd talked about signing

662
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: up for voice lessons. I wound up signing my son

663
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: up for voice lessons. Somehow he wanted to do it.

664
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: I got my act to gather to get him signed up,

665
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 1: like inside a week with the particular teacher that his

666
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: high school choir director had recommended. We've got in touch

667
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: with her, got him on her schedule and all this stuff.

668
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: I've been talking about doing this for six years, have

669
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: not signed myself up. So maybe that's my sign. Maybe

670
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: I don't they've been not doing it, but I don't know.

671
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: My chamber choir is going to start singing and soon,

672
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: so I'm excited about that. And in terms of couple connection,

673
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: like having more time with my husband without care kids.

674
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: We are still eating lunch together many days that we

675
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: were both home at noon. We've started going to the

676
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: gym together some weekends. That's fun. You know, if we

677
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: have a sitter, we might use that time to drive

678
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: there together and you work out and then drive home together.

679
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: We've had some date nights, although humorously we took Sam

680
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: along for one recently. It wasn't supposed to be. So

681
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: I had this idea as like a fun family adventure,

682
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: like I would take the kids who are open to

683
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: different foods out for Chinese food to celebrate the looterar

684
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: New Year. That seemed like, you know, kind of a

685
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: little adventure. Yeah. Yeah, And then the number of children

686
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: kind of dwindled who wanted to do it, and finally

687
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: it was just Sam, and so I was like, well,

688
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, I guess my husban and I could just

689
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: go out, but since he wants to go, I guess

690
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: we'll take him. And so the three of us went

691
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: out to eat and we went to a Pan Asian

692
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: place and they actually got sushi, but oh well, I

693
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: got Sashwan chicken and Wanton soup, and I think it

694
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: was probably special for Sam. I mean, obviously kids his

695
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: age aren't going to like say that out loud, but

696
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: like that's super cool. Yeah, yeah, it was fine. It

697
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: means if we were going to take one child, he

698
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: was probably the right one to take for that because

699
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: he actually ate ate the sushi. But yes, that was

700
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: our event there. So there's a little quick update on

701
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: our goals. Hope everyone is sticking with theirs. So moving

702
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: to the question section. This is from a listener who

703
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: is listening to our Goals episode. Like I said, we

704
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: got a ton of mail about this one. Anyway. She

705
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: had a question about advice for transitions. She has toddlers,

706
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: so that term is always on top of our mind

707
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: because those of us who have toddlers, you know, you

708
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: can't just suddenly spring on people necessarily that they have

709
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: to get out the door right now, or start telling

710
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: them like okay, and a little bit after this song

711
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: is done, we are going to go put our shoes on. Anyway,

712
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: she says, I'd love to start fitting in little bits

713
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: of reading during downtimes in the day, in a few

714
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: minutes in the car as I'm early for pickup or something,

715
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: and also get into a reading habit at night. But

716
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: I find that when those few free minutes present themselves

717
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: right at the end of the day. I feel kind

718
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: of brain dead, and the idea of opening a book

719
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: or the kindle app and remembering what was going on

720
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: last time I read and reading just a few more

721
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: pages doesn't sound appealing, and I end up mindlessly scrolling instead. Admittedly,

722
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: I've always been much better at a deep or focused

723
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: flow style of work, and I really crave that kind

724
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: of time to read again, but I recognize I'm not

725
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: in that season of life. I realized that I tend

726
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: to do the same thing after workouts in a little

727
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: before where I just kind of sit absent mindedly in

728
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: silence and end up adding ten minutes to whatever I

729
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: was doing. Should I just accept these wasted minutes as

730
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: part of the activity time or is there a way

731
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: to be more efficient in transitions? So, Sarah, you had

732
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: some thoughts about using these transition times for reading and

733
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: her you know, doing that. Yes, I was curious where

734
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: she came up with the idea of using them for

735
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: reading specifically, and whether it's because she really wants to

736
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: read more or finds it enjoyable to read in small chunks,

737
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: or if she's trying to achieve some sort of moralistic

738
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: ideal or keep up with the number of books at

739
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: some instagrammer reads for or she's been saying a tranquility

740
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: by Tuesday rule number nine, effort full before effortless. Yes, yes,

741
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: and I mean I get that, But at the same time,

742
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: she's kind of describing the situation where she does not

743
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: enjoy reading in small chunks and she's like finding it

744
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: really hard to concentrate, and she's like not getting into it.

745
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: And I guess I'm just wondering if maybe, like maybe

746
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: she needs to read other times and then in the

747
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: small chunks of time there's something else she could be doing. Now,

748
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: I do understand when the default activity is scrolling. I

749
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: totally understand why that might make you feel icky and

750
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: not be what you want to be doing. But you know,

751
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: like maybe there's something else. Maybe it's like a short walk,

752
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just closing your eyes and taking a micro nap.

753
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: Maybe it is sending a text to a friend, like

754
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: maybe there's something else that you would enjoy in those transitions,

755
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: rather than forcing yourself to do something just because you've

756
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: heard that other people enjoy that. I mean, the other

757
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: thing is that I didn't really you know, mention this,

758
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: but like, are you choosing books that you actually like

759
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: or that you feel like you should be choosing, And

760
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: maybe there is some lighter fluffy or fod or that

761
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: you'd be more excited to pick up in these really

762
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: brief moments, Like maybe you have a memoir, celebrity memoir

763
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: and your kindle app that like is your go to

764
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: for these really tiny bits of time, and maybe that

765
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: would be more fun than kind of delving back into

766
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: a complicated novel. So I don't know, I guess I

767
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: would just question whether this goal is necessarily worth having,

768
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: or like, is it to like, what are you actually

769
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 1: trying to achieve here? Yeah, or maybe even read something

770
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: like essays or poems or whatever that's designed to be

771
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: read in very short periods of time. She was also asking, though,

772
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: of course that time before you go about that that

773
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: can be prime reading time. But if you're feeling really

774
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: brain dead at that point, I would suggest aiming down

775
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: in your genre of literature as well, and just if

776
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: you want to be reading, maybe this is not the

777
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: time for I don't know, late stage Virginia Wolf, like

778
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: just something else, and maybe if it's a little bit

779
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: lighter or easier, even magazines, because it's still reading, you know,

780
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: but it feels a little bit less like it's demanding necessarily,

781
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: and if you do want to read and want to

782
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: use those longer chunks of time as you're mentioning, which

783
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: usually before bed, it can be a longer chunk of time.

784
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: I would imagine that she's probably getting at least, you know,

785
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, which I when you have young kids, twenty

786
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: minutes is a long chunk of time. Let's not talk

787
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 1: about like having three hours or something, because yes, you're right,

788
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: not really in this stage of life most likely, but

789
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: you could do that. But she had made a point

790
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: about transitions, which you know, I'm going to throw this

791
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: out to our listeners as well, because I think this

792
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: may be actually one of those personality framework things I

793
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: have discovered as I talk to people about how they

794
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: spend their time, that some people seem to I'm not

795
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: gonna say need, or they just sort of want or

796
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: feel it is harder to transition quickly from one thing

797
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: to another. And I know that many of the people

798
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: who were trying working from home for the first time

799
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: during the pandemic experience a lot of sort of tension

800
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: around that because it's like you're in your personal life

801
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: and the boom, you're in your work life and there's

802
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: no transition between the two, Whereas a commute, even if

803
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: people generally hate commuting, provides that transition and it gets

804
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: you in a different mental space. And so there are

805
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: ways around that. Like you can obviously create transitions. I

806
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: mean people would go, like walk around their block and

807
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: then come in and like you create a fake commute,

808
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: or like go run an errand at the end of

809
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: your work day, like you pick up milk and then

810
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: come back and like, oh, now I'm in a different space.

811
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: Or you know, even just listening to certain music or

812
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: like you know, when you write your intentions, that creates

813
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: a transition. Or you light a candle. I don't know,

814
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: a certain scented candle makes you think like now I

815
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: am in work mode or now I'm in home mode,

816
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: or whatever you can do to create a transition. But

817
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: I tend to think that there are some people who

818
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: move slower from one thing to the other. And if

819
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: you have no this about yourself, or you've noticed that

820
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: you are particularly quicker at transitions than maybe some other

821
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: people you know or other people in your family, I'd

822
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: love to hear about it. So write into us about

823
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: it and maybe we'll see, like what that demarcation is

824
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: in there. I've always moved pretty quickly from one thing

825
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: to another. I don't know if that's just having work

826
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: from home forever and having lots of kids and thus

827
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: needing to transition quickly. But I don't help you too, though, Sarah, Right,

828
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: you do transitions pretty fast. I do, and I have

829
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: very little patience for those who don't. So I probably

830
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: need to work on this and think about that a

831
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: little bit, because some of my children might enjoy longer transitions,

832
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: especially like in the morning or at bedtime or and

833
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So that's Yeah, it's a really interesting one.

834
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: We could do a whole transitions episode. I think this

835
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: might have to happen. Yeah, well, sometimes at this stage

836
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: of life, you have to make quick transitions, I think

837
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: with young kids, And maybe that's one of the things

838
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: that makes people feel kind of agitated during the young

839
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: kids stage, as if they do need more transition time

840
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: and they're not getting it because of the circumstances of life.

841
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: So something to think about. We'll explore that more, all right,

842
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: Love of the week, Sarah, What do you have? So

843
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: I wrote a blog post like a month ago or

844
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: so asking for reader's suggestions for their favorite underwear because

845
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: we just did our upgrade episode last last week. But

846
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: or you know, I was I wanted to upgrade my underwear,

847
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: so I Boughtnory for a number of years and it's great,

848
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: but I just like wanted to see what else was

849
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: out there, and a lot of people suggested Lululemon, which

850
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: is not like I didn't think of them for that,

851
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: but I ordered a couple of their styles, both the

852
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: under Ease and in visiware, and I think they're great.

853
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 1: They're like very minimal in design, super comfortable, and yeah,

854
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: I like it underwear. Maybe I needed to go for that.

855
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: I've just been buying random packages on Amazon. So although

856
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: speaking of which I mean, this is the issue, I

857
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: gotta say Amazon Prime they have of I mean, I

858
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: know there's issues, but people have figured out. They have

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Speaker 1: with anything. I mean just the party favors for Alex's

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Speaker 1: party came seemingly instantly. The trainer I was working out with,

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Speaker 1: you know, we talked on a Thursday and he sent

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Speaker 1: me links of some things to buy and we met

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Speaker 1: for the first time on Monday, and they were all there,

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Speaker 1: you know, makes not having to go to the start

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Speaker 1: your mind. And they knew you wanted that before you ordered.

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Speaker 1: They may, well I don't. It's true, they could have.

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Speaker 1: I mean they heard me talking about it. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: who knows. But they figured it out. So I had

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Speaker 1: my equipment. It was all ready to go on Monday

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Speaker 1: when we had our session. And that is pretty pretty

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Speaker 1: darn fast because otherwise I would have had to go

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Speaker 1: did not have to. All right, well, this has agreed.

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Speaker 1: They've gotten me out of a lot of parenting last

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Speaker 1: minute school issue. Yeah you poster board exactly. This has

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Speaker 1: been thinking of things not going as planned, like what

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Speaker 1: what do you mean? You have a science fair project too.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes things don't go as planned because other people don't plan.

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Speaker 1: Oh imagine that. We will be back next week with

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Speaker 1: more on making work and life fit together. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com

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Speaker 1: or at the Underscore shoe Box on Instagram, and you

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Speaker 1: can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This

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Speaker 1: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join

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