1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. As you know, 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: I talk about Michigan a lot because obviously I'm in Michigan, 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: and I really feel like Michigan is going to be 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: the deciding factor in tomorrow's election. I can't believe we're 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: already here, we are already at election day. It's like 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: so exciting. I feel like this has gone on for 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: ten years. I honestly feel like we have been watching 8 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: this race go on four years. Well, we technically have 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: been watching it for years, but tomorrow is the day. 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: And that's why I wanted to bring someone who we 11 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: saw on social media and I thought, what an interesting story. 12 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: Her name is Monica Ross Williams. She is a lifelong 13 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: Democrat and a former Democrat elected official. As I write 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: her story, I'm like, if you're in Michigan and you 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: read the story. I mean, she has worked with Jocelyn Benson, 16 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: who is our Secretary of State. She has worked with 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: Dana Nessel, who is our attorney General. She has been 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: invited by Gretchen Whitmer to meet a few different times. 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: I mean, this woman has been heavily involved in the 20 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: Democrat Party and loyally involved in the Democrat Party, but 21 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: recently feels like that party has changed. And she is 22 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: a Bobby Kennedy fan. As you heard from one of 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: our podcasts last week when we had Zachary Levi on, 24 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: he is also a Bobby Kennedy fan, and that is 25 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: what moved him over into the Trump category. And I 26 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: think that's what we're going to hear from Monica today. So, 27 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: without further ado, I want to welcome Monica Ross Williams 28 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: into the program. Monica, thank you, thank you. 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: I just want to say it's literally an honor and 30 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: a pleasure to be here today with you too. 31 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: There, thank you so much. I mean, reading your story, 32 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: I want I want to know what moved you because 33 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: we keep being told like the Democrats in Michigan are 34 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: dug in, they're very hardcore on the and this is 35 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: a decision you made a couple of years ago. So yes, 36 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: I think that was a really hard time to make 37 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: this decision, because in twenty twenty two, we know there 38 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: was abortion on the ballot, was a heavy like you've 39 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: got to be loyal to the Democrats and loyal to women. 40 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: So what made you say something's off? 41 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: It started really with me in twenty twenty twenty twenty one, 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: twenty twenty during the COVID as I like to call it, 43 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: the COVID madness, That's. 44 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 3: What I feel like it was. 45 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: I believe that there was a lot of psychological manipulation 46 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: that went on during COVID to try and make people 47 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: basically fall in line with what it is that were 48 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: mandates quote quote inside of the state to do the 49 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: bidding of people at the top of the astrolouts. 50 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: I really do believe that. 51 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: I was always a person who believed in my body, 52 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: my choice, and I believe in that for born humans, 53 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: right born humans have a right to have my body, 54 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 2: my choice in regards to what goes into their body. 55 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 2: They have a right to make the direction of their 56 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: medical decisions. 57 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 3: They have a right to reject. 58 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: Things that's not aligning with their personal views or their 59 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: views period, especially when it comes to medical I go 60 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: back and I tell a story, and I got this 61 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: from my mother. My late mother died in two thousand 62 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: and five, and she had stage four breast cancer and 63 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: she didn't find out until really late. And I remember 64 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: there was a team of fifteen doctors that came into 65 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: her room and said, well, pretty much, we need to 66 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: give you, you know, chemo and radiation, and my mother 67 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: was like, no, I'm not getting that. You know, she refused, 68 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: and you know, they told her various things, but my 69 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: mom lived eight months by doing it her own way. 70 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: She made that decision even though they told her maybe 71 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: six weeks. And my mom after that, I will That's 72 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: when I learned, in two thousand and five, really that 73 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: you have to be the arbitrator of your own body 74 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: in regards to your medical decisions. 75 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: It's very interesting because I think that was the first 76 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: time we've been told you can't come in here if 77 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: you haven't done what we tell you. Yeah, And it 78 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: was beyond that. I went and I spoke to people 79 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: across the state. I was shocked by the number of 80 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: doctors who had had their medical license revoked or put 81 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: in question because they gave people ivermectin. And there was 82 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: this there was this decision that was made by the 83 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: governor that no one could have ivermectin, and it really 84 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: came from her and her administration because it was not 85 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: a federal demand and it was and it came from 86 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: absolutely no medical expertise that said ivermectin was dangerous because 87 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: it's not dangerous. It's the most prescribed medicine in the world. 88 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a dangerous medicine, and doc were 89 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: seeing benefits from it, and yet they told me when 90 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: they were caught, which they were like, what do you 91 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: mean caught? You know, we're the medical professionals. 92 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 3: Let us try it. 93 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: And this was a in an era where we had 94 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: just had right to try, you know, we had just 95 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: had this go through, and yet you had the government 96 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: coming in and saying no, you can't try something that 97 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: might save your life. That to me was when I went, wait, 98 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: what how can this be? 99 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? It was so very disturbing for multiple levels. 100 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: I have my master's degree in organization psychology, so I 101 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: studied at of behavioral psychologists and I saw a lot 102 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: of behavioral psychology manipulation, and it just it was it 103 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 2: was absolutely insane. The bribing of people to go and 104 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: get things for donuts. 105 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 3: Honestly, we. 106 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: You know of college scholarship, the. 107 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: Gift cards, right, how many gift cards can you collect? 108 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: You know, the separation of families, including people in nursing homes. 109 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: It tore my heart up and I forgot though that 110 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: you could actually that you had the Krispy kremes that 111 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 1: you would get if you got your your vaccination, and 112 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: it was it was like a bribe to go get this. 113 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: They were really forcing people at a time where I 114 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: think people were incredibly vulnerable to that. 115 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were because they were they were in the house, right, 116 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: So people could not go out a lot tutor and 117 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: just honestly just visit other people. And so because of that, 118 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: you know, they're in the house all day, maybe on 119 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: the computer or on TV, you know, getting bad the 120 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: same messes over and over and over and over again. 121 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: And and it's falling deeper and deeper, in my opinion, 122 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: into the psychosis of what it is if they. 123 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 3: Plead of COVID, and it's. 124 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: It's so easy to do unless you recognize the signs, right, 125 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: And that was the difference. 126 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 3: I recognized those signs. 127 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: I saw it, and I also knew a little bit 128 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: of science, a little bit of I mean I'm not 129 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: saying I'm a you know, a virologist, but you know 130 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: a little bit of a biology nerd. And I'm like, well, okay, well, 131 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: if it's by air, well don't we all breathe air? 132 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 3: I mean, how is it? Yeah? What are you going 133 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 3: to do. 134 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: I think people tend to forget, like the six feet 135 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: of distancing was so silly. And then I don't know, 136 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure because you're just on the other side of 137 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 1: the state from me. In our mere, in our grocery store, 138 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: we actually had arrows on the floor because you could 139 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: only go down in aisle one way for because if 140 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: you were all going in the same direction, COVID couldn't 141 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: get you. 142 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: It was so just to get sort of plastic things 143 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: where it's like air doesn't go over through it, under it. 144 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: It was, it was, It was insane. But I really 145 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: feel like a lot of people were mentally broken during 146 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: that time as law tutor, and they haven't came back 147 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: from that. 148 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: And so but you're so right, so many people are 149 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: constantly I think there was a fear instilled in people 150 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: that they can't get over, a fear of going outside, 151 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: a fear of being close to others. And there's now 152 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: this this the political yes, demographics Now it's like a 153 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: division of fear and freedom. Are we ready to go 154 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: back to freedom? 155 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 2: Then? 156 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: And you've seen I mean you've talked about Tulca Gabbard 157 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: and Bobby Kennedy and censorship they're all saying, wait a minute, 158 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: when did it get to the point where we can't talk, 159 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: where we can't have conversations like this was not JFK's 160 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: Democrat Party, and it wasn't hit Bobby Kennedy's father's Democrat party. 161 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: But it goes beyond that, I think, even in the 162 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: state of Michigan, because there have been a lot of 163 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: communities in this state, whether it is Northern Michigan, whether 164 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: it's the Upper Peninsula or Detroit or Flint or all 165 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: of these different communities that have been very forgotten when 166 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: it comes to critical rights. And I believe that that 167 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: education is truly a right that we say as a country, 168 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: we will provide education. And we have locked a lot 169 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: of kids of in Northern Michigan out of education because 170 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: of the lack of infrastructure there to have it. And 171 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: kids in Detroit have been locked out of education, and 172 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: the numbers show it, but nobody will talk about it. 173 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: Why ooh, this is a subject that touches my heart. 174 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 2: You know, my dad always told me education is something 175 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: no one could take away from you. But our government 176 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: has and a lot of cases to people, and it's 177 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: absolutely terrible. We have kids that are stale either two 178 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: now maybe three to four years behind and cognitive reading 179 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 2: skills because of the fact that they were sitting at 180 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: home on a computer trying to do school instead of 181 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: we have we have young young, young, younger I call 182 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: them the one sixes that are still trying to understand 183 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 2: language skills because of the fact that they missed that 184 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 2: because people had things over their faces. 185 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 3: Kids, young kids. 186 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: They have to see the mouthing of words in order 187 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: to understand how to sound them. 188 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 3: Right. 189 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: This is if anyone that knows anything about basic language 190 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: skill development know that. 191 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: Right. 192 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 2: So we have those children, right, we also have the 193 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 2: children who are older. Right, They're there some cases they 194 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: are just they're meleal, least scarred is a good way. 195 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 3: To say it. From everything that occurred. 196 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: And then you have the manipulation of their minds inside 197 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: of some Michigan public schools to the point that it 198 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: has them questioning who. 199 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: And what they are and this being allowed. 200 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: I don't know what to say about this tutor, but 201 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: this this angers my heart. I you know I was 202 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: I you know, I taught as a I guess I 203 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: helped kids do a CT prep and many times through 204 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: Kaplan I have taught as a job professor inside of 205 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: Washingtot Community College to see education be weaponized like it has. 206 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: And I was always a person that was never you know, school. 207 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 2: Of twee and well, I should say charter schools, right, 208 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: I was not charter schools. I believed in the public 209 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: school system. 210 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 3: Absolutely not any more. 211 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: Parents need to have the right to make the decision 212 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: in regards to where it is that it's best to 213 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 2: educate their child. The trust inside of the public school system, 214 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: uh in. 215 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 3: Large, has been lost, and I don't think is coming back. 216 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 217 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. We can't just allow the public 218 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: school system to crumble and to get away with sentencing 219 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: these kids to a life in prison. And that's really 220 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: what this is, because there's no question that the data 221 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: shows if you don't know how to read your chances, 222 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: your likelihood of ending up in prison is incredibly high. 223 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: And I hear people say Detroit has had this major comeback, 224 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: but I would like to argue Detroit just had the 225 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: largest mass shooting in the state's history in July and 226 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: nobody said anything about it. How do we not say 227 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: anything about this? And that I think goes back directly 228 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: to the fact that there is not opportunity for kids 229 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: who cannot read. And that's just a fact. People can say, oh, 230 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: that's not fair, whatever, it's a fact. There are certain facts. 231 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: And somebody I saw on social media said, you know, 232 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: if you're not willing to acknowledge a p then you 233 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: will never solve the problem. And I feel like that's 234 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: where we are with the public school system in in 235 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: the state of Michigan. We have declined so much. I 236 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: think we're forty third now in the nation. We've declined 237 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: so much in the last six years, thirteen thirteen places down, 238 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: and there's nobody saying this is not okay. How are 239 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: we going to get businesses here? I mean, really, when 240 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: you look at the economy, how do you get businesses 241 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: here when you have one of the highest state income 242 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: taxes in the country. How do you get businesses here 243 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: when you have property taxes highest we have? And how 244 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: do you get businesses here when the executives are going 245 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: to say, well, I'm not putting my kids in these schools. 246 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: These schools are horrible. And how do you get workers 247 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: to come? How do you get the working class to 248 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: engage in the state of Michigan if they have to 249 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: be home homeschooling their kids because the education system is 250 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: so bad and everybody wants their kids to have a chance. 251 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what community you're in. I do not 252 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: believe that these politicians think that there are certain communities like, oh, 253 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: I don't care about it education, Just do whatever you 254 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: want with my kids. Baloney. 255 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 3: I think every community cares about education. 256 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I remember, maybe because you know 257 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: my age. I remember when I went to school and 258 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: Michigan was in the top ten of schools per seat 259 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: in the country. Right, this was just in the late seventies, 260 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: early eighties. 261 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 3: So look how far we have declined. 262 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: Right, We have children that cannot read at a third 263 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: grade level. 264 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 3: And so what does that say. 265 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: As they begin to grow and continue to manifest themselves 266 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: inside the society, if they cannot understand the meaning and 267 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: the comprehension behind words, what does that say? 268 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you what it says. 269 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: What it says is that eventually they're going to give up, right, 270 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: because they're not going to feel like, well, why should 271 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: I continue to keep doing this if I'm never going 272 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: to be able to understand it. Yes, and you are 273 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: segment them to prison or things of that nature, or 274 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: you segmenting them to be economically stressed the rest of 275 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: them of their lives. Right, And the fact that we 276 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: have an uncaring and I say this uncaring state legislature 277 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: which is controlled by the Democrats on both fans. Right, 278 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: we have an uncaring governor, right, Gretchen, I'm talking to you, 279 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: uncaring governor. 280 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: It's just absolutely wild. 281 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: They're so busy trying to run around, especially Gretchen, going 282 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: to get TikTok fame. 283 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: Then she is about educating the children in our state? 284 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: What does that mean? Right? 285 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: When I see, you know, some of the former Democrats 286 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: that I used to be aligned with, and just see 287 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: how they're acting, Dana, really, I mean, I endorsed you. 288 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: That's a convention. You asked me to endorse you. I 289 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: asked you to be a Frank Kelly ag. That's what 290 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: I ask for the endorsement. You have made it all 291 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: personal about you as the ag. You can put legend, 292 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: you can literally do memorandums in regards to our state 293 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: educational law, basically trying. 294 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 3: To get it back on track as it relates to 295 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 3: our children. You haven't done anything. Why these things are these? 296 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: These are the things that when you're talking about, you know, 297 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: why is it that people have left the party? 298 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 3: These are why to your tutor, we see what's happening. 299 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's interesting too, because I think that 300 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: oftentimes you can have the best intentions putting a law 301 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: in place, and the law doesn't actually have the intended effect, 302 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: or it has an unintended effect. And so we had 303 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: the third grade reading law, and we thought, well, okay, 304 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: now we won't pass students on the problem is that 305 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: a law only goes a law can only do so much. 306 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: A law doesn't actually teach kids. So they ended up 307 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: saying we're going to pass them anyway. We're going to 308 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: pass them anyway. Well, this past year they were like, 309 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: let's get rid of the third grade law. We're not 310 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: going to hold kids to reading it third grade. So 311 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: at this point you had a law in place. I 312 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: don't think it did what it's supposed to Obviously it 313 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: didn't do what it was supposed to do. But instead 314 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: of saying that didn't do what it was supposed to do, 315 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: we have to solve this problem, which is like, let's 316 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: get rid of it. So it's not so obvious that 317 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: is not a solution. I would say, also, another law 318 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: that was recently put into effect that I think will 319 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: hurt people and not solve the problem is the safe 320 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: storage law. And that is not because I am against 321 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: safe storage. I am for safe storage. But if you're 322 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: going to pass a law like that, why wouldn't you 323 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: tell people? Why wouldn't you have a massive campaign? Because 324 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: we do have a problem in this state where young 325 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: children get a hold of their parents, or their grandparents 326 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: or somebody's weapon that was not securely stored in their 327 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: home and they end up dying because of it. But 328 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: now we're putting people in jail after the fact, and 329 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: it hasn't stopped this from happening. Why can we not 330 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: step back and say, I've got to do something to 331 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: educate people about the danger of guns. We've got to 332 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: do something to educate people about the importance of reading. 333 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: I mean, there are so many things in this state 334 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: that I believe in. I believe in reading by third grade. 335 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: I believe in safe storage for your gun. But how 336 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: do we get there. Let's sit down and talk. Both 337 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: sides talk, Because I know the Democrats have different feelings 338 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: than I do, and I learn when they are willing 339 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: to talk to me, but they won't. I mean, I've 340 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: said multiple times now. A few weeks ago, I sat 341 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: down with some hair supporters who didn't know who I was, 342 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: and they gave me all of their different reasonings for 343 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: positions that they take, and I was like, you know, 344 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: I see where you're coming from. It's different when I 345 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: hear it from you because you won't normally speak to me. 346 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: But I think that we have got to come back together. 347 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 3: Yes we do. 348 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 2: So, you know, obviously the state has and this is 349 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 2: again a thorn at my side, the state has, you know, 350 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: mandated free school lunches for everyone, right, whether or not 351 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: you basically carry. 352 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 3: Your own lunch, don't like your school lunch, or actually 353 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 3: need the lunch at. 354 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: School, or you're rich yeah, or you're rich, they have 355 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: mandated free school lunch for everyone. Now it's like anywhere 356 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 2: estimated from a thirty five to forty percent waste of 357 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: lunch and also dollars that is. 358 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: Attached to our tax dollars attached to that. Now, here's 359 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 3: what I'm wondering. 360 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: Why didn't you mandate after school learning for everyone? 361 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 3: Right? And means promised right, exactly right. 362 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: After school learning in order to get kids caught up 363 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: in between the you know what they had learning loss? Right, 364 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 2: Why didn't you mandate that? Why didn't you put dollars 365 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 2: for that? Why didn't you provide transportation to get them 366 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: home after that? 367 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 3: Why? Right? That could have been done. It easily could 368 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 3: have been done that you. 369 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: Had after school learning, you know, provide it's the transportation 370 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 2: for kids to get home and have them catch up 371 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: on the reading comprehension skills, have them catch up on 372 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 2: the math skills. 373 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 3: First of all, you got to get rid of the 374 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 3: common core. 375 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: Math and go back to actual math, and that way 376 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 2: kids actually learn how to do math. But you know, 377 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 2: you have them catch up on socialization or better yet, 378 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: even social studies and things that are needed to know 379 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: about the society as a whole. I just think it 380 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: was absolutely just infuriating. So when you when they claim 381 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: they care about the education in the state, I'm sorry, tutor, 382 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 2: they do not. You have children who are as I 383 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 2: like to call i EP right i P, which is 384 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: individual education Personalization programs. Right, the kids with i EEP 385 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: that was supposed to. 386 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 3: Have one on one. 387 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: Studies with a special education professional during COVID they were 388 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 2: ignor right right. 389 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 3: Okay, now I see. 390 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 2: Them running around time about we need dours for special education. 391 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 3: What how about you? Actually? 392 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 2: I mean there still is a lack of special education 393 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 2: teachers inside the state because our economy is so bad 394 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 2: here young folks that probably could be special education teachers 395 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: are moving somewhere else, right, So you know it is 396 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: what's some millage on that this on the side, I 397 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 2: just have to ask, I really do. 398 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more of my interview with Monica Ross Williams, 399 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: but first let me tell you more about my partners 400 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: at IFCJ. 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I mean, as a country, 425 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: we have got to start saying we have a drug 426 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: addiction problem. And if you have a drug addiction, there 427 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: is no place for you to go in this country, 428 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: not just in Michigan. There is no unless you are 429 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: a rich person, you cannot get off drugs. It is 430 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 1: so hard to find a rehab center and I'm so 431 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: sick and tired of that. When I hear people say, oh, 432 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: Detroit has had this great comeback, I'm like, for the 433 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: for the rich white elites. Yeah, oh yeah, because they'll 434 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: go into certain places of Detroit middle Oh it's so beautiful, 435 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: how wonderful. And yet they continue to allow the youth 436 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: of Detroit to go uneducated. It is criminal. It's like, 437 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: how could you. I can think of nothing more arrogant 438 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: than going, look at how beautiful it is. It is 439 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: only beautiful for you. 440 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 3: And so as a as a farmer student. 441 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 2: Because at one point in time my parents got divorced, 442 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 2: I actually went to Detroit public schools. I actually went 443 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 2: to McFarland Elementary School. I went to Durfy Middle School. 444 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: Both of those schools are no longer there by the way, 445 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: you know, I remember the education that I got inside 446 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: the again or eighties. I first learned how to play 447 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 2: a violin, believe it or not, in Detroit public schools, 448 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 2: right because I had a music class in the fifth 449 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: grade and we actually learned how to play violins. It 450 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 2: hurts me when I go down to the areas that 451 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: I used to live at in the city of Detroit, 452 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 2: which is off of Livinois and Dexter in that area. 453 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: It hurts me to see those communities so tore up 454 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: like they are. You know, down Livnois used to have shops, right, 455 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 2: I'm talking about in the Dexter area, used to have 456 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 2: shops like mom and pop shops. 457 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 3: Right. 458 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: I remember this little ice cream shop that was right 459 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: across the street from Central High School where Durfy was 460 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 2: at and we used to always go in there and 461 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: get the ice cream and the candy before you got 462 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 2: ready to go to school, before you know, walked across 463 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: the street to go to school. It's gone. You can't 464 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: even see that anymore. All I mean, you got tall grass. 465 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 2: You have a lot of depression, right, that's what you have. 466 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 2: You have depression with in those areas. 467 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 3: And that does not work help fundamental environment. 468 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: Right, Well, you want to do to have success. I mean, 469 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 2: it's still say it. 470 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you see the legislature giving massive amounts of 471 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 1: taxpayer money to the big developers in Detroit, and they're like, look, 472 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, Dan Gilbert is going to build this huge 473 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: building and it's going to build up Detroit. But the 474 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: community needs to be able to build up itself. The 475 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: regulation that has gone into Detroit has made it almost 476 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: impossible to open one of those mom and pop shops 477 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: and a nearly impossible to keep it open. The taxes 478 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: in Detroit are higher than any place out in this state, 479 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: and it is more expensive. The inflation has gone up 480 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: in Detroit, higher than any other city in the state. 481 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: So how did they say that they have taken care 482 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: of Detroit? And then, to add insult to injury, the 483 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 1: Democrats in the legislature this year said they believe that 484 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: they should put a tax on entertainment in only Detroit. 485 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're trying to literally just, you know, 486 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 2: honestly harm Detroit. I mean, I'm not going to go 487 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 2: to Detraye if I have to pay a tax when 488 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: I can go to Canton Nova love oon ya. You know, 489 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: I'm just basically putting it out there. If I have 490 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: to pay more for whatever I'm doing in the city 491 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: of Detroit, then that's going to make me go elsewhere. 492 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: You know. It's almost like the same thing I avoid 493 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: in Arvord the same way. 494 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 3: Right. 495 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: There was used to be a time now I used 496 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: to go down to the Grotzias. I love the grass seas. 497 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: Me and my daughter once a year we would have 498 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 2: our grotzy meal, right. I don't even go down to 499 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 2: the in Arvor anymore. First of all, the driving trying 500 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: to get there is too much stuff on the road. 501 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 2: It's too many distractions. It's not welcoming. 502 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 3: So in other words, basically, what you're trying to do 503 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 3: is make Detroit not welcoming to a whole bunch of 504 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 3: people that don't want to pay a tax in order 505 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 3: to enjoy the entertainment of the trade. 506 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 2: I mean, it's I'll understand. I think they are bored 507 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: up in lancing, right, and they's like, okay. 508 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 3: Whatever it is. 509 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: Well, you have a full time legislature. 510 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 2: They want to make way too much, which is way 511 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 2: too much. I'm in favor of a part time legislature. 512 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 2: I am because of I used to do a podcast 513 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 2: and I covered what they did up in lancing. Most 514 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 2: of the time. They're not needed up in lancing, right, 515 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,239 Speaker 2: I'm just being real. They're not They're not needed up 516 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 2: in lancing. Most of them only work on average three days, 517 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 2: maybe two. This is being real, right, So if you 518 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 2: worked on the average three to two days, wouldn't that 519 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 2: be a part time job for you? 520 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 3: Tittor right? 521 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 522 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 3: I'm just accent well. 523 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: But the point you make about not wanting to go 524 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: into Detroit or not wanting to go into ann Arbor. 525 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: This is one thing that I think is key for 526 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: the entire state. Michigan's a beautiful state. A lot of 527 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,239 Speaker 1: people don't realize if you're outside of Michigan. I had 528 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: a guy come one time and we were in Holland 529 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: and he was like, I love this town. It's so cute. 530 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: I don't understand all of the lighthouses. That seems a 531 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,239 Speaker 1: little in the Midwest. And I'm like, you go a 532 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: mile down the street and you're going to be at 533 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: the beach. What are you talking about the beach. I'm like, 534 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: we have skiing, we have beaches, we have great cities, 535 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: we have shopping there are it's the state of Michigan 536 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 1: is so diverse and it's so beautiful. It's so stunny. 537 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: I mean, from Macana Island to Detroit to West Michigan. 538 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: I just think that this is the most beautiful state 539 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: in the entire country. And that's the beauty of having 540 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: people come and visit. Just like Florida has their visitors 541 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: pay their taxes, Michigan can do the same. You can't 542 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: tax the visitors to the point where they won't come. 543 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: That's a problem. You want them to come to your state, 544 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: so they spend all the money, and as they're spending money, 545 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: you are taking sales tax and all of that. And 546 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: eventually your visitors pay your taxes for you and your 547 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: members of community, your citizens will no longer have to 548 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: pay income tax. I mean, there are ways to do this. 549 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: There's a great there is a phenomenal hunting community here. 550 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: It has been that the other side has tried and 551 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: tried to shut down hunting in the state of Michigan. 552 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: Hunting is a billion dollar industry that could bring so 553 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: much money into the state and again, pay the taxes 554 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: for the people in Western Michigan, pay the taxes for 555 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: the people in Detroit, pay the taxes for the people downriver, 556 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: all of these people who are paying so much money, 557 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: and it's not going to our kids, it's going to billionaires. 558 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: That's the other thing that blows my mind. I'm like, 559 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: we this year we took away school safety funding where they. 560 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely crazy, and then they sat there and we had 561 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: a major shooting at MSU campus, right and they cried 562 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 2: about it, especially Gretchen again, I call you by your 563 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: first name because we know each other. So basically, she 564 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: cried about it, right, she cried about it. 565 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 3: Tina cried about it, you know. Jocelyn was over in 566 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 3: a corner crying. 567 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: Lissa Sluckin came out and cried about it. 568 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Melissa Slacklin was crying too. And then they take 569 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 2: away school safety funding? What type of what. 570 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: In Oxford just to two years before that? 571 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 3: Right, That's what I'm saying. It's like, make it makes sense, right, 572 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 3: I mean, what are you talking about? 573 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 2: You talk out of one end and then something else 574 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 2: completely comes out of another, and then you wonder why 575 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 2: folks are migrating away from your party. Then you wonder 576 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 2: why you know, I'll just say it, African American Democrats 577 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 2: are for former because I'm not anymore former. 578 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 3: African American Democrats like myself are like, we're done, right, 579 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 3: you know what it may only be about. 580 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: I've disgustimate anywhere from like maybe eleven to fifteen percent 581 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 2: of us, but every vote matters, and so even if 582 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: it's eleven to fifteen percent of us, when it comes down. 583 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 3: To it, that's a lot. And so when we move towards. 584 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 2: If this election, whatever happens in this election, obviously I'm 585 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 2: supporting and endorsing Donald Trump and JD. Van Swin, but 586 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 2: if they actually do it, trust me that trickle is 587 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 2: going to become like a faucet running because it's like 588 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 2: we're tired. 589 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 3: The people of the state Tutor are tired. 590 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 2: I see so many people living on the edge of 591 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 2: thirteen fourteen hundred dollars a month. You know, you make 592 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: a dollar over and now they're cutting off your food stamps. 593 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 2: And now they're basically telling you you're medicaid you need 594 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 2: to have a we want to talk about spin downs. 595 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 2: You got to pay anywhere from six hundred to twenty 596 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 2: six hundred dollars a month before you get Medicaid. 597 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 3: And these people are like, how about to do this? 598 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 3: I mean I can't. 599 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: Even barely afford groceries. I can't barely afford my rent. 600 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 2: I can't afford to, you know, my car insurance. And 601 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 2: they're saying what I mean. I I work in these communities. 602 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 2: I see the panic in people's eyes, you know, when 603 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 2: they're getting these letters, right, and. 604 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 3: It's just like, come on, don't tell me you care, 605 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 3: because you don't. 606 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 2: You're not trying to solve any problems, you're trying to 607 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 2: exacerbate the problems. 608 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 3: That way, you have people continuously dependent on you. 609 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: That's what you want, And they cannot tell me, Gretch, Gretchen, 610 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 2: Dana Jocelyn cannot tell me, and that state legislature cannot 611 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 2: tell me. 612 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 3: That is not their autimate goal. It is. 613 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: Well, I will I want to go back really quickly 614 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: to what you said about the school shootings because in 615 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: this state, I think that we're probably the only state 616 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: that's had two major school shootings so close together, and 617 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: then on top of that, had the legislature cut school 618 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: safety funding also the state police in twenty eighteen when 619 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: Gretchen was running. Right as she was elected in twenty nineteen, 620 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: they brought her a plan for school safety. It was 621 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: not implemented. Had it been implemented, likely Oxford would not 622 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: have happened, is what the prediction is. There has still 623 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: that still has not been impled. There still is no 624 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: discussion on that. For as much as people come out 625 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: and cry and use every tragedy for political advantage, when 626 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: they actually have the power to do something about they don't. 627 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: And the reason it's very serious for me is as 628 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: I was campaigning one of the girls and I will 629 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,959 Speaker 1: never forget this, and I kept this. One of the 630 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: girls whose best friend was killed in the Oxford shooting. 631 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: She came to me and she handed me a piece 632 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: of paper and she said, I've tried to talk to 633 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: everybody in government about this, and she had drawn out 634 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: a memorial statue for her friends from Oxford, and she said, 635 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: if you become governor, I'm asking that just a little 636 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: money be put aside to put this at our school. 637 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: And it struck me so hard because I thought, not 638 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: only did those kids lose someone, but in our community 639 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: we had two kids that committed suicide because of COVID. 640 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: There were multiple suicides across this state. And when you 641 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: talk about the fact that our kids are hurting, it 642 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: is such a deep it's such a deeper hurt than 643 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: we ever knew growing up. The stresses that they have 644 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: on them today, whether it is social media or a 645 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 1: pandemic or a school shooting, the stresses are so much 646 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: more serious for them, and there's no one really recognizing this, 647 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: and instead we pull the money. And the money was 648 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: pulled not only for school safety, but also for mental health. 649 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: And so I say, how do these people go out 650 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: in campaign on I mean they're saying that, you know, 651 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: Republicans love this, they want this to happen. Bolooney, Boloney, 652 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: do you think any of us? I worry every day 653 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: when my kids go to school and every it is 654 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: a constant thought in my head. How do we solve 655 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: this problem? How do we solve this problem? You know 656 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: how many people have told me there's no solution for this. 657 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: There's no solution for educating kids in Detroit. There's no solution. Baloney. 658 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: I refuse to believe it. 659 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 2: I don't believe that there are solutions, you know, But 660 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 2: we have to get real about the conversations. 661 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 3: We can't be over and under talking it. 662 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 2: We have to go straight on on to what are 663 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 2: the problems and what are the tangible solutions to these problems? 664 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 2: What type of solutions can be done. We can't just 665 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 2: basically ignore it. You know, That's what the Democratic Party 666 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 2: is doing. They're ignoring the issues at hand. I mean, 667 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 2: first of all, why is it that a memorial hasn't 668 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 2: been done for their kids at Oxford? 669 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 3: Right? 670 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 2: It's not that much and it's not that expensive to do, right, 671 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 2: Why couldn't money be allocated aside in our large state 672 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 2: budget for a fifty thousand dollars memorial. 673 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: Why these kids were still in school? 674 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 3: Right? Exactly? 675 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: You know? 676 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 3: I mean what makes that not a priority? 677 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 2: Right? What makes it not a priority to provide mental 678 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 2: health counseling for children who have had traumatic injuries to 679 00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 2: their minds? 680 00:35:59,520 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 3: What? 681 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 2: And that means we got to do COVID and beyond? 682 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 2: I mean pretty much, we got to do this. This 683 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,879 Speaker 2: is something that's deep, right. Why is it the priorities 684 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 2: are only whatever is a hot button issue at the moment, 685 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 2: and we're not basically getting down to the tangibles. 686 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 3: Why is that? 687 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, I can tell you what I 688 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 2: believe is because the care is not there. And when 689 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 2: you don't care, when it's all about you and your 690 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 2: ego tutor and all about what's going to get you 691 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 2: possibly going to the maybe a candidacy for president one day, 692 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 2: then that's what your concern is. And your concerned is 693 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 2: not nothing else but that, Gretchen. 694 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I one hundred percent agree with you, and 695 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: I think that's we've been a victim of that in 696 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: our state on both sides. I will say, on both sides, 697 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: I've seen it on both sides, and I will be 698 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: the first to tell you I will call out corruption 699 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 1: on both sides. I've seen it. It's shocking. Actually, I 700 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: had no idea before I ran for office. I'd been 701 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: in the conservative movement so long and I've had this 702 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: like maybe Pollyanna view of people run for office because 703 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: they want to serve you. It's a service position. And 704 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: then I got into it. I'm like, oh my goodness. 705 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: There are so many people players on both sides, and 706 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: they are playing a game. That's what it is. But 707 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: if you think about the way government is set up, 708 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: the representatives are to come together so that you can 709 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: sit down with the person from Detroit. You can sit 710 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: down with the person from Marquette, you can sit down 711 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: with the person from Alpina, and you all sit together 712 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,399 Speaker 1: and you go, what, I don't live where you live, 713 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: So tell me about where you live. That has fallen 714 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: by the wayside, and it's time to bring that back 715 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: because that is the way that we bring our state 716 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 1: back together. And we recruit businesses to come to all 717 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: corners of our state. Because if we diversify and we 718 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: bring business here, and we bring visitors here, and we 719 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: show off our beautiful state. Then we are going to 720 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: be in a financially better situation, and ultimately that puts 721 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: money back into the pockets of the people. The more 722 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: money people take home, the more willing they are to 723 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: come and live and build homes and all of that. 724 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: You know that. But I just think that there's a 725 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: huge opportunity. 726 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 3: It is a huge opportunity. 727 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 2: And you know, first things first, I think we have 728 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 2: to reform and our state government. I'm I'm a believer, 729 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 2: especially after seeing the candidacy of Robert F. Kennedy, that 730 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 2: we have to reform state government on local levels right particularly, 731 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 2: I'm still trying to figure out why our partisan Why 732 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,320 Speaker 2: are local elections partisan? 733 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 3: Right? 734 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 2: I think local elections should be about serving the people, 735 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 2: not serving a party. So in that case, then all 736 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 2: local elections, whether they're you know, city, county, village, those 737 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 2: need to be nonpartisan, right, the let the best candidates win. 738 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 2: I think that goes a long way. As it relates 739 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 2: to the state government. Oh boy, that needs so much 740 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 2: major reform, especially in the state legislature. 741 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,439 Speaker 3: It just really does. 742 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 2: Right, you don't have it's almost like the part if 743 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 2: you're not in power, right, then the other party is 744 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,720 Speaker 2: just sitting there collecting the paycheck. 745 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 3: Well, then why do we have them there? If we can't. 746 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 2: Better reform the state government to allow for equal or 747 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 2: somewhat equal representation of the people who are actually. 748 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 3: In state government, then we have a problem. Oh, ethic laws. 749 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 2: Why don't we have ethics laws actually follow in the 750 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 2: state of Michigan. You know, when you go on the 751 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 2: other side and you talk about that, you know, one 752 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 2: of the things I was gravely against was the legalization 753 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 2: of marijuana. 754 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,919 Speaker 3: Why because I knew that it was a setup. Right. 755 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 2: We had Republicans on that side that was pushing it. 756 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 2: We had Democrats on that side that was pushing it 757 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 2: in communities like where I live at, which is you know, 758 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 2: ipslanting it Plying township. Right. Oh yeah, there's plenty of dispensaries. Right, 759 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 2: but where's where's the money coming back in the communities 760 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 2: as a result of that. I mean, everyone knew in 761 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 2: the legislation it was only going to be point I'm sorry, 762 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 2: one point five percent of that money coming back to 763 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 2: local communities. 764 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 3: Oh they were going to get rich, I mean you know, 765 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, they were going to just really get rich. 766 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,399 Speaker 2: No, it was never about that, right, and so now 767 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 2: as a causation of that, we have our kids that 768 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 2: are on very high THC chemically also altered cannabis, and 769 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 2: then we wonder why there are mental health effects afterwards. 770 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 2: I mean, we need so much reform tutor. It's it's 771 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 2: we really need to have it. But I do believe 772 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 2: that it begins locally. And it begins also and I 773 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 2: know this is a controversial subject. You know, to open 774 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 2: up a bit of the state constitution in nineteen sixty 775 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 2: three and make it a more of have it to 776 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 2: be more modern for today's times, because it's like I'm 777 00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 2: telling you, it's too many edges that has been use 778 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,439 Speaker 2: and manipulate it inside of our state government in order 779 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 2: not to serve the people. 780 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: Well, I think that those ballot initiatives have been about 781 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: staying in power. They haven't been about what's best for 782 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 1: the people. It's been about staying in power. And I 783 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: mean both sides are like, what can we do, What 784 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: can the next ballot initiative be that will drive voters? 785 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: How do we drive voters. It's never about well, this 786 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: is a really good change for the people. It's about 787 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: driving voters. And so ultimately, yeah, I agree with you. 788 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: I think that there are cultural shifts. And that's like 789 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: I said when I said, sometimes you see the unintended 790 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: consequences of a law. That that's what you can go 791 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: back and look at. Does this law make sense? Has 792 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: this law impacted us for the better? Has going into 793 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: private businesses and telling them we're going to now take 794 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: over your vacation time? What the state's going to take 795 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,319 Speaker 1: over paid time off in our businesses? How are we 796 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: going to get businesses to come to the state of Michigan. 797 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,040 Speaker 1: And I think also you have young people in the 798 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,399 Speaker 1: legislature who are they are right minded? You know, they 799 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,760 Speaker 1: want to help people, whether on both sides of the aisle, 800 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: they're there for the right reason because they want to help. 801 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: They have not thought through all of the consequences. And 802 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: that's where a leader comes in and says, look, I've 803 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 1: been in a small business here. Let me ask you 804 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: to look at it this way and tell me how 805 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: you think that works out for the business. And how 806 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: do you convince other businesses to come if they have 807 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: to abide by this now stringent law where you have 808 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 1: government inside of your business. And I do believe that 809 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,760 Speaker 1: most people are reasonable and they would talk it through, 810 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,360 Speaker 1: but you don't have a leader. You don't have a leader. 811 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: I haven't seen a true leader in the state in 812 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: a very, very long time. And I know I've taken 813 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 1: more of your time than I said I would. It's 814 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: been fascinating talking to you. I would love to stay 815 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 1: in touch because I think there's so much that we 816 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,479 Speaker 1: can learn and share with other people and just share 817 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 1: about our communities across the state and move toward a 818 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 1: positive outcome for all people. 819 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 2: Well, I think that so very important. And I'll just say, 820 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 2: as someone who did vote for you, right, thank you 821 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 2: with you because I saw that debate and I saw 822 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 2: the passion and the cared that you were putting for 823 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:16,800 Speaker 2: michiganiers right. It was obvious that you care deeply about 824 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,399 Speaker 2: our state and our state's future. You know, obviously you're 825 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 2: probably not going to say anything, and I wouldn't expect 826 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 2: you to, but I'll tell you, I hope you run again. 827 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 3: I hope you run again. 828 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,839 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. That is very encouraging. I will 829 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: say that We've had a few people say that, and 830 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 1: it means a lot. It really does. I mean, it 831 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: is a hard thing to do, but I definitely have 832 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 1: the passion to take care of the people of the 833 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: state and to serve them, and so someday I hope 834 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: I will serve them. And I appreciate your vote. And 835 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: if I ever run again, I hope I'll have your 836 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 1: vote again. Oh definitely, thank you. Thank you so much, 837 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: Monica Ross Williams, thank you for being on. I'd love 838 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: to have you back sometime. 839 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,399 Speaker 3: Thank you. You have a great day. 840 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely you two, and thank you all for joining us 841 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: on the Tutor Dick and podcasts. As always for this episode. 842 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: In others, you go to tutordixonpodcast dot com or the 843 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts 844 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,320 Speaker 1: and join us next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 845 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: Have a blessed day.