1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 2: Hey all, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today, we 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: have somebody that we didn't get to have on the 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: show when she was on the show. It is Gabby 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 2: l Nikki. Am I saying that right. 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 3: Right? 8 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: The runner up from Zach season. We had so much 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: talk to you about about Zach season. Do you mind 10 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: you can do a little like nostalgia trip get into 11 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: your life today? 12 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 4: Sure? 13 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 3: I'm yeah, No, I've like it was a fever dream, 14 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 3: but let's let's go back. 15 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: To it, okay. My one of my favorite questions to 16 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: ask people is when you get out of the Bachelor bubble, 17 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: when did you realize You're like, oh, that that person 18 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: and I were not actually supposed to keep you together. 19 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 4: Oh goodness. 20 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: I think it happened pretty quick. I honestly think I realized. 21 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 3: I actually realized when I was there that he was 22 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: not my person. But you know, I digress, But I 23 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: realized there. But when I got back, I was like, 24 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 3: thank God, no offense to him. Like him and Katie 25 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 3: are perfect together and I totally understand them as a couple, 26 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 3: and like being so close with Katie, I get it. 27 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: Much more now, Like just me, to be honest with you, 28 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: I'm like not probably nice enough. I don't think he 29 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 3: could have handled like me because I'm like sassy and 30 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: like Katie's like very sweet and she's just a nurse, 31 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 3: and like I know myself, I'm like a little a 32 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: little feisty, and I don't think that we would have 33 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: been compatible in. 34 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 4: The long run. 35 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: Like I'm really kind and really sweet, but I can, 36 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: like I like pick up people, like as a joke, 37 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: Like I'm very sarcastic, and I just don't know if 38 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 3: that would have landed well. 39 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 5: I mean it makes sense now, right, Like everything you're saying, 40 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 5: you went the whole process. You realize you're not the 41 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 5: right person for him, and that would be maybe a 42 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 5: little confusing for some other seasons when the lead doesn't 43 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 5: end up with somebody. But you're like, no, I saw 44 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 5: with my own eyes who he is meant for, which 45 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 5: means he's not for me, which makes it easier to 46 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 5: move on. I mean, it makes it easier to just 47 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 5: be like that this was a fun season of life. 48 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: Hopefully fun would be right, Yeah, And like I'm so 49 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 3: close with Katie and I'm so happy for her. We 50 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: honestly see like Zach the Bachelor as like a totally 51 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 3: different person than like her Zach that she has now 52 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 3: but we've gotten, Like I see Katie a lot and 53 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 3: just hearing about their relationship, it's totally different, and I 54 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: really think it's for the best. Like they've they're they're 55 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: very happy, and I think he's changed as a person 56 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: since the show, or at least from what like Katie 57 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 3: and I's conversations have been. 58 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 4: I think everyone has. I mean, you're in this bubble, 59 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 4: and you know, he was. 60 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: Having to be the Bachelor, so I'm sure that that 61 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 3: comes with so much pressure. So I just think it's 62 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 3: everything has worked out the way that it has that 63 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: it was supposed to do. 64 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: During your season, Zach kind of made Fantasy Week a thing, 65 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: and you were really the center of that drama. And 66 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 2: I don't want to get too into it because this 67 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 2: is the past. However, we're going into Fantasy Week. I 68 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: call it Fantasy Fantasy Week, the Fantasy sweet Week with Grant. 69 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: What is your advice to him and all other bachelor's 70 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: and bachelorettes going forward. 71 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 5: About this week? I think you should be called like 72 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 5: disappointment week no matter what, like just like you can't 73 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 5: do this right week. Yeah, like nothing's going to be 74 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 5: up to expectations no matter what we're talking about here. 75 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 4: It's so true. You're damned if you do, You're damned 76 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 4: if you don't. 77 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: No one can do it like unless like and the 78 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: thing is at the same time is it is a 79 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: TV show, so like there is that level of entertainment, 80 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: right like and we all know that when we. 81 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 4: Go into the show. 82 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: But at the same time, like I was going on 83 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: to the show and leaving the show the same with 84 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: Katie knowing like I want a relationship from here. 85 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 4: I'm ready for that. 86 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 3: And it wasn't it wasn't just a TV show to us. 87 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: And so like there's like a scene you see Me 88 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 3: Katie whispering to each other, and it kind of you know, 89 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: some people took it one way, some people took it 90 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 3: another way. 91 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 4: But we like already. 92 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 3: Had talked about this like multiple times, like how it's 93 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 3: going to play out, and like how we feel about 94 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,119 Speaker 3: going into it, and so like we were very close 95 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 3: friends throughout the whole season. I think it's that's the 96 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 3: part that really made me realize he's not my person 97 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: because he didn't protect me at all and that whole 98 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: thing because you you have to remember, this isn't just 99 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 3: a TV show, so what you say actually impacts. 100 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 4: People in their real lives. 101 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: And unfortunately I was, you know, I got really attacked 102 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 3: for that one. But it's okay, Like I've grown up 103 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 3: and I'm like stronger for having gone through that. But 104 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: I knew in that moment somebody who's like a real 105 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,559 Speaker 3: partner to me wouldn't choose to not protect me because 106 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 3: there were private times where like I think he could 107 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 3: have had that conversation with Katie or he didn't need 108 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: to explain what his you know, proclamation was for the 109 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 3: week in my opinion, whereas like Ariel left and she 110 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: had heard the proclamation before and she didn't have any 111 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 3: idea what had happened, and so she was left being. 112 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 4: Like, what's going on? 113 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 3: And it just was very evident in that moment, like 114 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: my privacy was not a concern to him, knowing that 115 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: like people can take this and use it however they 116 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 3: want on the internet whatever, Like people are going to 117 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 3: come for me. 118 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 4: And I just think that really to me was like. 119 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 3: Telling of like, this person isn't my partner, because I 120 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 3: felt like I wasn't protected by him in any capacity 121 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: where I know he was trying to be respectful to 122 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: Katie's feelings. 123 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 4: And I get that, I just and there. 124 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 3: Isn't like, like we just said, like there's no easy 125 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 3: way to go about it. 126 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 4: But I do think he could have been a little 127 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 4: more mindful of me. 128 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 5: I think one of the things that came out during 129 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 5: Zach season one of the biggest revelations that I've met 130 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 5: Zach now, as you kind of mentioned as not the bachelor, 131 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 5: He's a very nice man, but I am going to 132 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 5: be critical of his season, but I also think it 133 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 5: highlighted something that we hadn't seen in the past, and 134 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 5: the leads as much. He was very influenced by Sean Lowe, 135 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 5: who was an amazing bachelor. He's a great guy. Both 136 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 5: these guys are dudes. I have nothing but good things 137 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 5: to say about both of them. But he was very 138 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 5: influenced by Sean low throughout the season, and I think 139 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 5: what we saw was Zach was and I don't think 140 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 5: he meant to do this. He didn't purposely do, but 141 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 5: he was inauthentic in his decision making because I think 142 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 5: he was trying to take an advice from the outside 143 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 5: of people telling him how he should go about his experience, 144 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 5: and as a result, it wasn't true to Zach, and 145 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 5: so it got confusing to him because he was like, 146 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 5: I'm gonna say this because I want to do this 147 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 5: because it feels like the right thing. Then he gets 148 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 5: in it, he makes other decisions because that wasn't really 149 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,559 Speaker 5: what he wanted or thought he could do or wanted 150 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 5: to do, and then it ends up hurting all the 151 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 5: other people in the background. So we see in Zach's season, 152 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 5: your season is people get hurt due to in authenticity, 153 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 5: and I think that's one of the highlights. Is for 154 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 5: a good lead now is you have to just be 155 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 5: true to yourself, like at least say what you're actually 156 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 5: gonna do and don't try to have somebody else's journey. 157 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 3: I agree with that wholeheartedly. And I think knowing Zach, well, 158 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: I don't really I guess I shouldn't say I know him. 159 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: I don't hang out with him. 160 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 4: I hang out Katie. 161 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: So knowing Zach kind of I do think he really 162 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 3: he just wants a successful relationship, and Kim and Katie 163 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: really just want to have a life and a family 164 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: together and I'm so happy for them for that. And 165 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: I think he saw what Sean had and he has, 166 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 3: you know kids, it really worked out for him and 167 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 3: he was like, I am. 168 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: Just blueprint, Like this is the blueprint and if I. 169 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: Follow this, then it will work out for me as well. 170 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 3: Well it did work out for him, so everything works 171 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: out as it should. But it does go to show 172 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 3: that you really do have to be true to yourself 173 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 3: in whatever it is, and you know it's it's okay, 174 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: but yeah, you can't just follow somebody else just because 175 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: you think it's the you know, the right thing to 176 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 3: do or that's what looks good or whatever it was. 177 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 2: But you're right. He is on the trajectory of being 178 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: the Sean Lowe and being the next guy after him 179 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 2: to be married to his winner, Ari is with Lauren. 180 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: But Ari and Lauren that wasn't his first choice. 181 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 5: She's the winner. 182 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 2: Now do you think that Zach would have protected you 183 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: if you were his one? Like you think that he 184 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: just had in his head like, oh, it's Katie, I 185 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: have to protect her and like kind of screw over Gabby. 186 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 3: Maybe No, I don't think that because I've talked to 187 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 3: Katie about this and she was like, no, Zach's told me, 188 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 3: like even like now, like he really says he didn't 189 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: know until right before I knew. And I feel like 190 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 3: I pulled back because I was like, I was like, 191 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: no one who really loves me, no one who really 192 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 3: cares about me, would take a chance on not protecting me. 193 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: And I understand you can be torn, but that doesn't 194 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 3: mean you like don't protect someone that you really. 195 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:17,599 Speaker 4: See a future with. 196 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: So maybe he couldn't see it in that moment, but 197 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: I could feel it. I think there's like that like 198 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: gut feeling you have, and I was like, this just 199 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: isn't even if he that wasn't the case for me 200 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: a partner in life, that was a no for me. 201 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 4: Like that was kind of the final. 202 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 3: Straw, but I will say I felt that way and 203 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 3: I and I said to the producers, I was like, 204 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 3: I need to talk to him before I meet his 205 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: family because this isn't sitting right with me, and I 206 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 3: don't feel comfortable meeting his family until we like really 207 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: hash this out. 208 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 4: And we had that conversation. 209 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 3: And I felt better, and then meeting his family, I 210 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: think I was just craving like my family so much, 211 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 3: and I just missed them so much, and his family 212 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 3: they really are like I don't know, like the little 213 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: Brady bunch. They're like you can tell they're a family 214 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 3: that really loves one another. 215 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 4: And it felt like home. 216 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 3: And so I think that like almost reignited my excitement 217 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 3: of like, oh, well, you know, maybe I do really 218 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 3: still care or like love him or I want to 219 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 3: be with him. 220 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 4: But then I remember. 221 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: Like really doing some self reflection to myself alone in 222 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 3: my room in Thailand because I had a lot of 223 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: time on my hands, and I just was like, this 224 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 3: is not your person. 225 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 4: You know, this is not your person. 226 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 3: So I really, like I remember, I like had so 227 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 3: much time to like mentally prepare myself for what was 228 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 3: to come, because I didn't want to leave Katie because 229 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 3: you're like in a you know, you're like against other 230 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: women and there's other people there and it's. 231 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 4: A weird environment. And I knew that. 232 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 3: She had had doubts throughout the whole process, as everyone does. 233 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: That's so normal, Like you're like is this real? Like 234 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 3: am I in a Like am I dreaming this? 235 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: Like? 236 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 4: Cause it is. It's extravagant, like you're on these crazy dates, 237 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 4: like no one's going to take you in. 238 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: A freaking helicopter, like, sorry, we're not living in like 239 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 3: fifty shades of gray, Like it's not happening most likely. 240 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 4: I mean, some people are sure. 241 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 5: I called it the Disappointments Suite. If this was a 242 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 5: real a week it's if it was a real fifty 243 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 5: shades of gray thing going on, then yeah, of course 244 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 5: call it the fantasy Suite. 245 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: Yep. 246 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 4: Right, Well for some people, I suppose the Red Room. Yeah, 247 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 4: the Red Room of pain. 248 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, Gabby, I have I mean I can tell right 249 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 5: now this is such a distant memory to you, like 250 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 5: it wasn't that long ago, but like you're pulling out 251 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 5: stuff that I can tell is not like a fresh 252 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 5: in your mind that you've moved far past this. Yeah, 253 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 5: And I think that's where I want to like lean 254 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 5: into now. Now is you know, with your new relationship. 255 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 5: And I believe your boyfriend right now is Zach right, Yes, 256 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 5: his name is easy. Good for you. He made a smart. 257 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: Decision, Like you must have laughed so hard when you 258 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: found him. 259 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 4: I was like, can we like change your name? Perhaps 260 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 4: it's a little too. 261 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 5: Soon now for those that are listening, you know, who 262 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 5: know your story from the Bachelor, which we just kind 263 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 5: of walked through and but are unfamiliar now with this 264 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 5: new relationship. Can you catch us all up on who 265 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 5: he is and where your life stands today. Yeah? 266 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 4: Sure. 267 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: So Zach actually was one of my friends in Houston. 268 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 3: I have known him for a few years, which is 269 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: actually very nice because I knew him when I had 270 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 3: a boyfriend, and so we would go out together and 271 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 3: I got to watch him like in his like most 272 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: true environment of like you know, he's going out, he's 273 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 3: talking to girls, and I got to see him like 274 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 3: just how he acted as. 275 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,479 Speaker 4: A man in his twenties. 276 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 3: And he's always been just such a good friend to me. 277 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 3: When I went through my breakup that was really jarring 278 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 3: to me and required a lot of therapy to get through, 279 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 3: he really encouraged me to go on the show. He 280 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 3: was like, this is going to be really good for 281 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 3: you there. You you really can't lose anything. If you, 282 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: you know, come back, you'll you could possibly find someone. 283 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 3: And if not, like think about all of like the 284 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: people that will see you, and then you will find someone. 285 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 3: And I was just crazy, like he was really just 286 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 3: like such a supportive friend through it. Him and my 287 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 3: other friend Macy and like we all three of us 288 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 3: would hang out a lot, and just like when I 289 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 3: got back, they were like two of the only people 290 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: that I felt like I could like trust because they 291 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: knew I was interviewing for the Bachelor and they didn't 292 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: tell anyone. 293 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 4: They just like were kind of like steal fortresses to me. 294 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 3: And then like one night, like we were we just 295 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 3: went out to dinner together and I'll like, you're actually 296 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: like really fun and like you're pretty cute too. 297 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 5: I like you, is that wait time out, do you 298 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 5: say those words to him or you're just thinking it? 299 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 4: No, it was in my head. It was in my head. 300 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 3: No, And yeah, I guess just one thing led to 301 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 3: another and here we are. 302 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 4: But I will say it was really. 303 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: Hard what one thing led to another? Like I need 304 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: to know the moment you kissed, Well, how did you 305 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: how do. 306 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 5: You take this step from best like friendships to oh. 307 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 4: Well you just get drunk. 308 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: We're being honest, Yeah, we just had a little bit 309 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 3: too much wine at dinner and then one thing wanted 310 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 3: to another. 311 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 5: That night that night, Okay, well. 312 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I've known, like you know, it was like, yeah, 313 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 4: I've known him. 314 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: Were you flirting with him beforehand? Were you feeling something 315 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: before this drunk night. 316 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, we definitely used to flirt and like he even 317 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 3: it's so it's honestly horrible to say when like my 318 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: ex would like not be if he was out of 319 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 3: town and we'd go out together, like he would pretend 320 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 3: to be my boyfriend, like you know, fight the other 321 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 3: men off, and it was never anything. But it's just 322 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 3: so funny that he was always like my pretend boyfriend 323 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: and then now. 324 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 4: He's like my real boyfriend. 325 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 3: So maybe I was like manifesting something like years ago 326 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: and I didn't. 327 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 4: Even realize it. 328 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 3: But yeah, I honestly never thought I was going to 329 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 3: date him. 330 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: Wow, that's such a cute story. 331 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 5: I love it. 332 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: So now you guys have been together for two years. 333 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 3: Not quite, I think it'll be. This is where it's like, truly, 334 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: I'm in like a time warp. I don't really know 335 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: what year it is. I think it'll be two years 336 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: in June. We like really started dating in June of 337 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 3: all right, twenty twenty three. 338 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 5: That makes sense, that's up, Yes it does. 339 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: Do you feel like this is your person? 340 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 3: Definitely? I don't really see myself with anyone else. I mean, 341 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 3: I feel like this is just a really good, healthy relationship. 342 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 3: He's the first person I've really, like, genuinely trusted, and 343 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 3: I feel like that's the difference with all my other relationships, 344 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 3: Like if he goes out of town on a golf trip, 345 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 3: or he's out with his friends or I'm out with 346 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: my friends, Like I feel like we really trust one another. 347 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: I never worry about, oh, he's not texting me back, 348 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 3: he's at the club, like, oh he said his phone died, 349 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 3: like liar, Like it's none of that dialogue is going 350 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 3: through my head. And I feel like that's a sign 351 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 3: of first of all, maturity from my from me, so 352 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 3: I'm growing up. And second, I just think it's like 353 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 3: a healthier relationship. He's very supportive of me. My family 354 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 3: loves him. This is one of the first guys my 355 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: family has loved, like genuinely loved. 356 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 4: I was like after my last before. 357 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 3: Zach the boyfriend before that, I was like, never again, 358 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: if one of you guys does not tell me that 359 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 3: you hate my my friend, like we're done here, Like 360 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 3: you guys are out of the circle of trust. 361 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 4: So they really love him. It's been really, really great. 362 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 5: You have a quote out there that says that you, 363 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 5: I mean speaking to what you just were sharing that 364 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 5: with Zach, you never have to question. I think the 365 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 5: quote was like where you're at, like there's a piece 366 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 5: and a comfort there, Yeah, which I would say for 367 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 5: somebody who I just found out today. I've been dating 368 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 5: my wife for a little over six and a half years. 369 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 5: It is one of the like looking back, biggest factors 370 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 5: to knowing that it's your person too. Is that comfort, 371 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 5: that piece that comes with a relationship. 372 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. 373 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 3: I think it's something I hadn't felt before, Like maybe 374 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 3: I felt like safe or like comfortable in the sense 375 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 3: of like like you're just kind of you're not doing 376 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 3: anything else but in you're comfortable, but not in a 377 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 3: good way, not in a way where you're like I 378 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 3: know where we stand, I know what the future looks like. 379 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 3: I know my future like has you in it, and 380 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 3: you don't want to be with anyone else you you 381 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: know some like if somebody I'm trying to think of 382 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 3: who my like celebrity crushes, if like Mick Dreamy walked in, 383 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 3: I want to be like, bye, Zach, I'm not sure 384 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 3: have a good choice. 385 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 5: So good choice. 386 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: Okay, So you guys just moved in together. Yeah, I 387 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 2: was that transition. 388 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 5: Ben. 389 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 4: It was like a not quite a year ago, you're agoing. 390 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 4: May No, it's great. He let me decorate. 391 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: He likes a big thing. That's a big thing. 392 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 3: Yeah no, he he was literally like, wow, I didn't 393 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: realize how ugly things were until you got here. 394 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 4: And I'll take that, sir exactly. So he No, he 395 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 4: loves it. 396 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 3: I mean yesterday we went to Barnes and Noble for 397 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 3: like two hours while I like chose out cook books. 398 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 3: And he was a very good companion in that. He 399 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: was like, honestly, I'm getting the food, so like, it's fine, 400 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 3: I'll sit here while you choose these cookbooks. 401 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 4: So we have like. 402 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 3: Such a like fun little life here, which I really love. 403 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 3: We honestly, I act like a really like old couple. 404 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 3: We are like I'm like a grandma. I like sew 405 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 3: and cook and make bread and do like that kind 406 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 3: of stuff. And he loves it and he does the 407 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 3: dishes and that's that's how our life works. 408 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 4: And it's great. 409 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 5: Sourdough is a thing these days. Team anybody listening. I 410 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 5: was just talking to my wife about it. She's been 411 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 5: making the best sourdough for the last couple of months, 412 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 5: and I thought it was like this new wild thing 413 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 5: that just just decided to start doing. And then I'm 414 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 5: realizing it's a thing now. Yeah, making bread is out there. 415 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 5: Make it cool again in twenty twenty five. I think 416 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 5: knitting comes in twenty twenty six, that's my prediction. I 417 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,239 Speaker 5: think we go bread this year, Knitting Club's next year, 418 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 5: We're back with wine and knitting and goodness, my life 419 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 5: is set. That's all I want, Gabby. We have a 420 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 5: little bit of time left with you, and we're so 421 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 5: happy for your relationship with Zach now, like the Zach 422 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 5: that's in your life today, Yeah, maybe the Zach before. 423 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 5: And it feels like just from hearing you talk about it, 424 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 5: like it does feel like this just like really exciting, 425 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 5: peaceful relationship, and that's really fun for us to hear. 426 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 5: I want to make a really weird pivot though, back 427 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 5: to the Bachelor a little bit and talk about your 428 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 5: latest girls trip to Montana. Yeah, we followed it on 429 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 5: social media here almost famous. It looked like a blast. 430 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 5: I live in Denver, Montana, and I have we have 431 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 5: a place up in Wyoming, and so this area of 432 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 5: the country means a lot to me and I love 433 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 5: seeing you all kind of like enjoy it and take 434 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 5: it over. We start with a question that so many 435 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 5: are asking, is Okay, we noticed all of the girls 436 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 5: from ze season there friends still, which is awesome. But 437 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 5: Letia from this season, yeah, was there as well. Obviously 438 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 5: she's not a part of Zach's season. She's on this 439 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 5: current season, Grant season of The Bachelor. How did that happen? 440 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's really cool. 441 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 3: Grant season has some older girls, and Lytia is actually 442 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 3: closer to like our age group, and just through general 443 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 3: Bachelor Nation, everyone kind of is connected, whether it's just 444 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 3: like showing general support or following each other. 445 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 4: That's just something that happens in Bachelor Nation. So you know, 446 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 4: we started messaging her and she just seemed like really cool. 447 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 4: She clicked with a few of the girls. 448 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 3: And we were like, let's invite her on a trip. 449 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 3: And I know this is a lot on her. We've 450 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 3: all been through it, just generally dealing with the filming 451 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 3: and watching it all back. We thought'd be fun, so 452 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 3: she can't watch trip. She's amazing. I love her. 453 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 4: She's super cool, super down to earth, just generally. 454 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 3: Speaking, a good time and She's might be coming to 455 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 3: our rodeo weekend. This weekend, the other girls are coming 456 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 3: to Houston. We're gonna go to the rodeo, and I 457 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 3: think she might be coming. 458 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 5: Goodness, that's fun. Have you been keeping up with Grand season? 459 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 4: I watched like highlights on TikTok Okay. 460 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 2: I was gonna ask if she comes across in real 461 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 2: life the way that she does on the show. 462 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 4: I think her. 463 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 3: Facial expressions are like really funny on the show, and 464 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 3: she doesn't have those kind of facial expressions in real life, 465 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 3: like her eyes and the scenes. I'm like, this is hilarious, 466 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 3: but that doesn't actually happen. 467 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: Did you get some tea about her time on this show? 468 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: Obviously no spoilers here, but did she share her whole story? 469 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 4: She shared snippets of it, and it sounds like. 470 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I I yeah, I was eavesdropping on 471 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 3: a FaceTime call about one episode somebody called her up 472 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 3: about and so yeah, there's definitely some tea there, but 473 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 3: I can't share it now. 474 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 5: Yeah that's okay. We respect the teas and the tea, 475 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 5: but not the spoilers. This trip looked like a good time. 476 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 5: Was it as good of a time as it looked 477 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 5: on social media, or is this one of those we're 478 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 5: gonna just share highlights. The rest of the time we 479 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 5: were fighting, yelling and arguments. 480 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 3: Okay, I will actually say this trip had a little 481 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 3: more like drama than normal, which was really weird. We've 482 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 3: never had drama on any of our trips. But the 483 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 3: really cool temperature really brings out a side of people. 484 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,479 Speaker 3: And I will say part of that was because I 485 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 3: was designated driver, as was Katie, because we are the 486 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 3: We're both from the north, so we've endured snow. But 487 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 3: those people who are from like Ariel doesn't even have 488 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 3: a license, Like she's from New York, but she don't 489 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 3: even have a license. 490 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 4: She's never dripped, like she's in a cab. 491 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 3: And I was like, so, you know, if I'm driving 492 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 3: in a snow storm and I'm like, I feel our 493 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 3: car going off the road and you know the girls 494 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 3: are in the back doing a TikTok with their lights on, I'm. 495 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 4: Like, girls, ladies, let's stop it right now. 496 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: Is that where the drama came from? 497 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 3: No, But it just like generally like things, there wasn't 498 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 3: necessarily I shouldn't say drama. 499 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 4: It just was like there was tension. 500 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 3: Of like things like that where it'd be like, okay, 501 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 3: like we're not driving two hours away because there's a snowstorms, 502 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 3: so like let's I know, it sounds so fun, but like, 503 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 3: we're not gonna do that. Also, we went to the 504 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 3: hot tub one day and it was so cold. I 505 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 3: mean it was so cold, and we were like, it's 506 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 3: gonna be so fun because we were gonna do the 507 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 3: hot springs, but apparently because of how cold it was, 508 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 3: the hot springs near us were like actually only lukewarm. 509 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 4: So we're like, we can't do that. So we were 510 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 4: going to the. 511 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 3: Hot tub and Katie literally drove off the side of 512 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 3: the road, so then the girls got stuck at the 513 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 3: hot tub. So it was just honestly, I wish that 514 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 3: people could have had a camera on us watching us 515 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 3: because it was so funny because people were like, no, 516 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 3: we got to get out of here, like I'm freezing, 517 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 3: and it was like dramatic in that sense, but it 518 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 3: was hilarious. 519 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 4: So anyways, just like find a driver. That was what 520 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 4: I was like. I left, I say, you know what. 521 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 3: We're either coming back in the summer or we're hiring 522 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 3: a driver because I'm done here. 523 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 5: I'll just do warm trips for everybody. Stop these cold things. 524 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 5: Get it. 525 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 2: Yes, As I always say, it's a shame that we 526 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: don't have a spin off show of our real lives 527 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 2: after the show, there's so many relationships to document, including 528 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 2: your relationship with Katie. Before we let you go, I 529 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 2: just have to know, like, if you are ever in 530 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: a room with Katie and Zach, like Katie insists she 531 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: told us on the podcast, it's not awkward, it's not. 532 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 3: It's not because seriously, like Zach the Bachelor is so 533 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 3: far removed from my life, and like he is a 534 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 3: different we actually view him as a different person than 535 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 3: like her Zach, and like it's just like I'm happy 536 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 3: for her and I'm happy for him, and I think 537 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 3: partially it's because I've moved on and I'm happy. Like 538 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 3: if I had not moved on and I was, you know, 539 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 3: salty and angry, I'm not. I wanted the best for 540 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 3: Katie and she was one of my closest friends. She 541 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 3: still is, and I want the best for Zach as well, 542 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 3: because like, why would I wish Ill will on him 543 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 3: Tho'd just be really weird. But no, I like was 544 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 3: in Austin, UH, last year, and like Louis was with 545 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 3: me my dog who he met like at my hometowns, 546 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 3: and you know, it's funny. 547 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 4: I was like, Louie, do you remember Zach? Like it 548 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 4: wasn't It's not awkward. 549 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 3: It's just like that was one stage of life and 550 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 3: now we're in a different one and like who's gonna 551 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 3: like I would never date someone and be like, oh, 552 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 3: like used to date that person, Like ew, I'm actually 553 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 3: done with you, Like I'm not going to talk to 554 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,959 Speaker 3: you anymore. Like it's just like I don't know we were. 555 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 3: Me and Katie are passed it and it was never 556 00:27:59,359 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 3: a thing. 557 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 5: Really for me, I would imagine. I think I asked 558 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 5: Zach this question in a roundabout way. I don't know 559 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 5: if he had the answer I was thinking he would have. 560 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 5: I think it's probably really nice for him too, because 561 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 5: you want to get off the show and you don't 562 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 5: want to be like everybody hates me. I have thirty 563 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 5: enemies out there in this world. Nobody wants to talk 564 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 5: to me again. And for you all to want to 565 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 5: still hang out with the person he chose, which is 566 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 5: very rare, by the way, like a very rare thing. 567 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 5: Usually the person that gets chosen is kind of on 568 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 5: their own little island. And then also to not be 569 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 5: like upset to see him. It's probably a really good 570 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 5: compliment to him as a person, but also a really 571 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 5: good thing for him to feel, at least I would expect. 572 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 3: So you know what's so funny is you talked about 573 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 3: the island. Well, everyone thought I won, and so for 574 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 3: months while I was airing, everyone still thought that I 575 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: won from my season, like all the girls. So like 576 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 3: I wasn't in the group chat because I was on 577 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 3: the island, yeah, and no one added me, And I 578 00:28:59,200 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 3: was like, first. 579 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 4: Of all, y'all suck. 580 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 5: Was Katie in the group chat? 581 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 3: Yes, in the group chat and they were like talking 582 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 3: about Zach And I'm literally like trolling Zach in the 583 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 3: group chat and She's like, hah, like so funny, Like 584 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 3: and I meanwhile, I'm on my island. I'm like, hey, guys, like, 585 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 3: just so you know, I got dumped in Thailand. 586 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 4: But does anyone want to be my friend? 587 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 5: Yeah? Please? Like I like some friends from this Oh goodness. 588 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 5: That just shows up what a great human Katie is 589 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 5: to like she has she's taken it all, She's and 590 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 5: so of you. I mean, you guys have battled through this. Gabby. 591 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 5: We're so happy for you that you are in this relationship. 592 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 5: Now that life is moving in this direction, it feels 593 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 5: like of excitement, of peace, of a whole new season. 594 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 5: Thank you for sharing all this today with us. Thank 595 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 5: you for giving us the update of your life. And 596 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 5: now that you know you can come here, we'd like 597 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 5: to see again sometime and the catch up on you know, 598 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 5: maybe some big announcements that are coming your way in 599 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 5: the next like ten years or so, like. 600 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: An engagement or something. 601 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, you just never know. I told Zad, give me 602 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 3: like six more months. 603 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 4: I need to like prepare myself. No, thank you guys 604 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 4: so much for having me. 605 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 3: It was great to talk to you guys, and congrats 606 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 3: to you both on your kids and all the excitement 607 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 3: in your lives. 608 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 5: Wow, it's a wild ride over here with that. This 609 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 5: has been the Almost Famous podcast Today. We've had Gabby 610 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 5: from Zach season of The Bachelor on until next time. 611 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 5: I've been Ben, I've been Ashley. 612 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 3: See you guys. 613 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 5: Bye. 614 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcasts on 615 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.