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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Cardinals territory. It's Friday, July eleventh.

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Speaker 1: There is one series left before the All Star Break.

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Speaker 1: Time flies when you are having fun. Katie and Bernie

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Speaker 1: back at you for this Friday edition. The Cardinals won

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Speaker 1: a pivotal series over the Washington Nationals on Thursday behind

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Speaker 1: five and two third scoreless sittings from Miles Michaelis and

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Speaker 1: a sixth or excuse me, a five spot in the

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Speaker 1: sixth sitting, and the offense really came to life against

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Speaker 1: that Nets bullpen. All around, a good win for the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: They really needed it. Bernie, what's your look on the

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Speaker 1: team coming into the final series?

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Speaker 2: I think, listen, before the week started, I spent they've

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Speaker 2: gone through a rough stretch. They've gotten that road trip

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Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh and Chicago and Invergreedy. I'm never saying, well,

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Speaker 2: you got to sweep this team or do that, but

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Speaker 2: I said, just went four out of the next six

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Speaker 2: before the Star break, and then it'll it'll it'll stabilize things,

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Speaker 2: it'll level things out a little, You'll feel better about

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Speaker 2: yourself and when you go get a break at the

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Speaker 2: Star break. So one down. They they did win two

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Speaker 2: out of three. I think, listen, Atlanta, you never can

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Speaker 2: say that they're going to stay in the same type

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Speaker 2: of month that they're in. But they they are really

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Speaker 2: really bad here lately, and I think their last eleven

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Speaker 2: games are averaging three runs. They've lost eight times. My

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Speaker 2: point is that, to say the least, the Braves are

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Speaker 2: very beatable. In fact, the Braves, the Braves record is

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Speaker 2: not all that different than the Nationals record. So the

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Speaker 2: Cardinals I fully expect that they should handle this series

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Speaker 2: by winning. I mean, come on, you know, it's it's

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a low bar. I think the

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Speaker 2: Atlanta name is such an name brand. There's like this assumption,

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Speaker 2: even with us in the media, there's this assumption that

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Speaker 2: they're better than they are. I mean, and they're really

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Speaker 2: not good. So I so the Cardinals should.

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Speaker 1: Win by injury. But you're right, it's the brand, it's

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Speaker 1: the name. The Braves have been such a powerhouse in

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Speaker 1: the National League for so long you just kind of

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Speaker 1: have a little bit of pause because you think, well,

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Speaker 1: still the Braves. And I remember in April, which feels

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Speaker 1: years ago, the Braves were off to a horrific start

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Speaker 1: and then they spanked the Cardinals at Truest Park and

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Speaker 1: we were like, oh, so I said it on our

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Speaker 1: show a couple of days ago. I felt like this

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Speaker 1: National series, this rubber match, was a must win game.

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Speaker 1: You simply cannot drop a series to the Nationals, and

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Speaker 1: based on where the Cardinals are right now, you certainly

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Speaker 1: like them to take two a free at least from

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Speaker 1: the Braves. You'll see Matthew livertore tonight, Eric Fetti on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: We will get to that, and Sunny Gray will take

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Speaker 1: the final star on Sunday. Heading into the All Star break,

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Speaker 1: chat about Eric Fetti, who will take his scheduled start

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Speaker 1: Saturday against the Braves. Cardinals manager Ali Marble made that

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Speaker 1: announcement on Thursday before the eight to two win. And

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Speaker 1: I will preface this conversation with just because Allie Marmal

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Speaker 1: is the one making the announcement doesn't mean he's the

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Speaker 1: one making the decision here at all. And Bernie, I

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Speaker 1: thought you guys at the Gas House Gang on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: did a really nice job in getting kind of where

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Speaker 1: Allie Marmal thinks about this situation. He can't go out

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Speaker 1: so clearly a decision coming from above him and his

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Speaker 1: job is to manage the players that he has been given. Clearly,

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Speaker 1: the front office has decided that Earfetti is going to

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Speaker 2: Oh, at least at least I'm small. I lost weight.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so small. In this episode of the Gash House Gang,

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Speaker 1: which you can find on the kmox YouTube channel, you'll

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Speaker 1: hear Bernie and Friends. I think Tom Ackerman is on

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Speaker 1: that show The Three of You with your weekly assessment

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Speaker 1: with Alie marmal and it's clear the frustration here on

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Speaker 1: Ericfetti taking the start with Michael McGreevey still waiting in TRIPA.

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Speaker 1: I can't point with the video, but I highly encourage

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Speaker 1: you'll see some insight as to how the manager feels.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about the organization standpoint all around. We

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Speaker 1: know that the Cardinals are kind of straddling in the

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Speaker 1: that will ultimately come down to quite possibly the final

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Speaker 1: There's a story up on The Athletic with myself and

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Speaker 1: Fetti is the player that you can trade regardless if

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Speaker 1: But the Cardinals would like to trade Fetti because when

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Speaker 1: you think about the trade deadline, Bernie, what is the

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Speaker 2: Well, number one, I really don't know what kind of

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Speaker 2: you know, the idea that they may get some marginal

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Speaker 1: It's the same line thinking from this front office that

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Speaker 2: It's a state and then the other I'm sorry, yeah

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Speaker 2: not bragging because I mean, the man, there were there

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Speaker 1: No one's say it, but we know we don't even

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Speaker 2: Right, And so he he missed, He missed a grand

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Speaker 2: It is unbelievable the way left handed hitters have destroyed him.

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Speaker 2: Right So he's kind of a defenseless pitcher right now.

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Speaker 2: And you know my frustration with this, and what I

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Speaker 2: now is this mcgravy checks both boxes. He's a runway guy,

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Speaker 2: and he's a better pitcher than Eric Fetti. He's a

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Speaker 2: the team has lost thirteen out of eighteen games, so

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Speaker 2: So what do you want Ali to do? Do you

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Speaker 1: They have they have spot on Bernie as always uh more.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's a fine guy. Nobody roots against him exactly.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Ah, Summer, we almost forgot what it feels like

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Speaker 3: fun that keeps the days going, that turns living rooms

431
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Speaker 3: into playgrounds and reminds us what our body is and

432
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Speaker 3: our hearts were made for play, that moves you.

433
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Speaker 1: All right, so Yvonne Herrera, everyone celebrate is should be

434
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Speaker 1: back with the Cardinals very soon. He started a rehab

435
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Speaker 1: assignment with Triple A Memphis. He went one for three

436
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Speaker 1: as the DH. He is planned or it is planned

437
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 1: that he will DH for the next three games Friday, Saturday,

438
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Speaker 1: and Sunday, and the Cardinals will make a decision on

439
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Speaker 1: what his next week looks like, maybe even after tonight,

440
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: just seeing how he feels. We talked about it last episode.

441
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: The Major League All Star Break, Triple A All Star Break,

442
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 1: and Double All Star Break are all the same week

443
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Speaker 1: next week, So Herrera could play four games and then

444
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 1: go without game action for four or he could potentially

445
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Speaker 1: go down to Florida get some live at bats there

446
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Speaker 1: during the All Star break, or he could just be

447
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 1: ready to go. I asked Ollie Marvel if the break

448
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Speaker 1: would give him any pause about when to bring up Herrera,

449
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 1: and he said some players, yes, Herrera, I don't think

450
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Speaker 1: it impacts him that much. That's not a surprise if

451
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Speaker 1: grondhirek can do one thing and hit the baseball. So

452
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Speaker 1: that's the first injury update. The second part to this

453
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Speaker 1: is that you'll notice I said Herrera will be d

454
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Speaker 1: eighteen all four games well when he comes back to

455
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals, which, by the way, a return to kick

456
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Speaker 1: off the second half on next Friday, a week from

457
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Speaker 1: today in Arizona, isn't played. When Herra does return, the

458
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Speaker 1: Cardinals have said his time behind the plate will be limited,

459
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Speaker 1: and that is to protect his health. The Cardinals or Herrera,

460
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: excuse me, has already had two lower half injuries this season,

461
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Speaker 1: and let's be honest, a part of it is also

462
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Speaker 1: because he is well behind Pedro Pajaz and Joel Poso,

463
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: who aren't exactly like all star catchers either defensively. So

464
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 1: the best thing for her Arah moving forward is to

465
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Speaker 1: really cut back on his time behind the plate. He

466
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Speaker 1: will be the everyday DH going forward, and they will

467
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Speaker 1: reevaluate what Herrera is doing and what position he will

468
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Speaker 1: be after this season. I think it's the right call

469
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Speaker 1: from an offensive perspective, because we have seen what this

470
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Speaker 1: lineup looks like without Herrera's bat and is severely not

471
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Speaker 1: as good. So a little bit of a weird update.

472
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Speaker 1: But I also understand when the team is coming from here.

473
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Speaker 2: You know, Katie, when during his time he's been out

474
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Speaker 2: and this stat is still fresh because they faced a

475
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Speaker 2: right handed starting pitcher last night. But you know what,

476
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Speaker 2: it started June twentieth when they didn't have him. Left

477
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Speaker 2: end starting pitchers during that time have a two point

478
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Speaker 2: one five ERA against the Cardinals. I mean, they've just

479
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Speaker 2: they've just buried the Cardinals because the Cardinals do not have,

480
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Speaker 2: with all due respect, their right handed hitters. First of all,

481
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: they have too many left handed hitters. They don't have

482
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Speaker 2: balance and a lot of and several of their right

483
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: handed hitters who are capable. You know, just it's been

484
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Speaker 2: a time where they've struggled a bit. So and I'm

485
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Speaker 2: not saying everything would have been oh just dandy perfect

486
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Speaker 2: with herre Era in the lineup, but this guy, just

487
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: Maul's left handed pitching just destroys it. And clearly some

488
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Speaker 2: of these games where they scored, you know, no more

489
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Speaker 2: than two runs, at least a few of those games,

490
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Speaker 2: they would have gotten more runs than that with him

491
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Speaker 2: in the lineup. Because this is one of the best

492
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Speaker 2: right handed hitters. It's a very very small sample, but

493
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Speaker 2: if you just look at you know, his way to runs, creative.

494
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Speaker 2: Plus this is like a top five right handed hitter

495
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Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball. I mean, it sounds crazy, but

496
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Speaker 2: he really is. So it's a big loss. It's not

497
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Speaker 2: an excuse, but it's the reality. So they'll be a

498
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Speaker 2: much better I think they'll be a much better team

499
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Speaker 2: offensively with with Herrera in there. And yeah, it'll create

500
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Speaker 2: some bottlenecks. Again, like what does this mean for Gorman?

501
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Speaker 2: Does he not d h now? I mean, we're gonna

502
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Speaker 2: go bet it's like you always go back to the

503
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Speaker 2: beginning with this team. So we'll wait see you know,

504
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: and listen. I'm definitely on board if they're serious, if

505
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,959
Speaker 2: it turns out they're serious about in the off season,

506
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Speaker 2: it's like, all right, let's let's work with him about

507
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: playing left field. I think the more options they have

508
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: with him, they're better. They'll be for him and for

509
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: them going forward. So we'll see what happens. But this

510
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: is a very special hitter, There's no question about it.

511
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Speaker 1: I agree, and that's why I'm not at all going

512
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Speaker 1: to argue with the decision to not put him behind

513
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Speaker 1: the plate. I mean, he is. If part of this

514
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Speaker 1: season is to figure out that Evon Herrera is not

515
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: your catcher of the future, but is your middle of

516
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: the order bat of the future, that's still a success

517
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: because we spend this whole season trying to figure out

518
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Speaker 1: which players we're going to turn into what, and Herrera

519
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: is a bat that you build your lineup around. I

520
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: mean he is. The Cardinals that we talked about before

521
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: don't really have a star. They don't really have anyone

522
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: that gets you out of your seat, like excited. But

523
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Speaker 1: I do not want to miss Yvon Herrera at bat

524
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: because you just don't know what could happen, and you

525
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: know it's going to be a quality at that and

526
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: something that he's shown in his limited sample size this season,

527
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: he's a clutch bat. How many times has he come

528
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: through with runners in scoring position or lay inning? I mean,

529
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: he's like the eighth inning hitter for this club. So yes,

530
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: I get what the Cardinals are doing trying to preserve

531
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Speaker 1: his health and also acknowledging that he hasn't taken a

532
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: lot of steps forward behind the plate. He also hasn't

533
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: had a lot of opportunity to do so. But if

534
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Speaker 1: you are trying to make a second half push, which

535
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: it still seems like they are, you need to keep

536
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: Herrera healthy. Only marmal set as much. So it's about

537
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: protecting his lower half as much as possible going forward.

538
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Speaker 1: So if we're looking for off season storylines in July,

539
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure what that says about us, but

540
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: this will be one. Where will Herrera play in twenty

541
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: twenty six We don't know, but we do know that

542
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: when he does return, hopefully in just a matter of days,

543
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: he will be the everyday DH. What that means for

544
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: Nolan Gorman, Who's to say what that means for Jordan

545
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: Walker when he comes back for his rehab assignment. Who

546
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: is to say? My gut feeling tells me that Jordan

547
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: Walker will be relegated to a ventual going forward. But hey,

548
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: we'll see.

549
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I just gotta I gotta warn

550
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: you about something, you know, some older so I can

551
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: give advice right rolled my eyes there. Anyway, do not

552
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: make any vacation plans this offseason. Seriously, you do not

553
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: make any well you know what, this this offseason, and

554
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 2: this old man here has been around a long time

555
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: with the Cardinals, this is gonna be one of the

556
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: craziest offseasons they've ever had. You have hein blue take

557
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: it over, right, and let's be honest here. We don't

558
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: have to do let's make a deal now, but let's

559
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 2: be honest here, for there is no way that they

560
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: can keep the same team in place, not from a

561
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: standpoint where they hate all the players, but they have

562
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: all these log jams everywhere. They're overloaded with left handed bats.

563
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 2: They you know, they have like I'm exaggerating, they have

564
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: like ten guys who can play in the middle infield.

565
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: You know, they have got it right, and there's just

566
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: no way. They have to make some really tough roster decisions,

567
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: and those tough roster decisions will mean trades. You know.

568
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: I mean seriously, because all these players, these are not

569
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: guys you just like designate for assignment. They're all major

570
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: league players. But you you have too many of them

571
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: and hit left handed, and you have too many of

572
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: them to play the same position, so you got to

573
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: thin out the roster. So what that means is you

574
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 2: will be working all off season. You will not.

575
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Speaker 1: Get a break, no, And you know what, it's funny

576
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: because you're spot on for all of that. And actually,

577
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, talking to a couple of anonymous executives over

578
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: the last week, the Cardinals have so many players that

579
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: other teams are interested in. One exec said that the

580
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: Cardinals are going to be a lynch pin at the deadline.

581
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: I saw that if they decide to sell. I don't

582
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: think they're going to decide to sell. Going back to

583
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: my aforementioned stale comment about how the organization Baseball operations

584
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: is being run. But you are spot on about the

585
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: off season, and I've already thought about it because not

586
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: only where there'll be a ton of changes taking place,

587
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: we're dealing with a brand new front office and we

588
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: don't know how Heim Bloom navigates or works. You can

589
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: go into an off season when you've worked for as

590
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: long as we have with John Mozaelak and kind of

591
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: have a basic understanding of how his operations are going

592
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: to work. If anything, he has been consistent, and I

593
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: don't want to diminish his track record. We know that

594
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: he has accomplished a lot for this game. I know

595
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: it's happened a great week at the moment from morale

596
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: around him, But I don't want to like just diminish

597
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: the fact of what he's done throughout his career. We

598
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: don't know hein Bloom is going to be completely different.

599
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: So not only is it going to be a very

600
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: busy offseason, it's going to be unpredictable because we are

601
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: going to learn how he navigates with a new organization

602
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: and a new ownership. So this is my karma for

603
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: having to do exactly zero things over last off season.

604
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: It's going to be I'm well prepared. I don't know

605
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: how much work I'm going to have to do with

606
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: the trade deadline, to be honest, I don't know, But

607
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: I do know that come November or the five days

608
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: after the World Series, when the off season officially begins,

609
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: it will just kind of feel like a continuation of

610
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Speaker 1: this season, so we won't be bored.

611
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: We at least we have that. I know it'll the

612
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: off season will be just as crazy and maybe even

613
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: more more action packed than the actual regular season. And

614
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: the Cardinals have had some really good storylines this season too,

615
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, have fun. I'm going to just sit back

616
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: and kind of watch and just watch all you guys

617
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Speaker 2: do the beat reporting and just sit back and so,

618
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: oh that's interesting. Let me write a column on that. Oh,

619
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Speaker 2: let me let me put my my analysis on that.

620
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Speaker 1: Right, So and I can just Stevens where like I

621
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: never leave without my iPad. So that's healthy.

622
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

623
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Speaker 1: Hey, let's get into them. We have a Draft King segment. Oh,

624
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: let's go, all right, let's get into our player to

625
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Speaker 1: watch this series presented by Draft Kings. I am going

626
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Speaker 1: to go with tonight's starting pitcher, Matthew Libertour. So he's

627
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Speaker 1: about to make his final start of the first half.

628
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Speaker 1: Let's do a quick run through of his stats. He's

629
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Speaker 1: made all seventeen of his starts. He's gone six and six,

630
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Speaker 1: he's logged ninety seven and the third Indians a three

631
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Speaker 1: seven zero era. He has been the Cardinal's second best

632
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Speaker 1: picture in that rotation. I know he went through a

633
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: little bit of a clunker, but guys, that's going to happen.

634
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: Not every pitcher is going to notch thirty five stellar starts.

635
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: But in his last four starts, we're seeing Libertor kind

636
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: of unlock a new level of his game. He's four

637
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: and oh twenty four innings, three out of four quality starts,

638
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: eighteen strikeouts in a two two five era. Matthew Libertor

639
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Speaker 1: has a chance to finish out what has been a

640
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Speaker 1: very impressive first half, very encouraging. There will be some

641
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: concern over his innings going forward because it will be

642
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: his first time notching, you know, thirty plus starts in

643
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: the major leagues in his career. But there is a difference,

644
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: and I think the way that Ali Marmel describes this

645
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: and Dusty Blake describes this makes a lot of sense.

646
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: There's a difference between the quantity of innings and the

647
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: quality of innings. Matthew Libertor has not had a ton

648
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: of high stress innings, so yeah, we'll be mindful as

649
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: he reaches that point. But I'm not super worried about

650
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: the overall innings because most of them have been pretty easy.

651
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: We've talked about this with how the Cardinals have been

652
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: so diligent with his work usage and how to use

653
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: him going forward as they figure out what kind of

654
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: starter he's going to be for them. And I think

655
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: as we sit here in the middle of the season,

656
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: we can count on Matthew Libertre being a middle of

657
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: the rotation starter for them next year and homegrown pitching,

658
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: developing pitching inside your organization is so hard to do,

659
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: so credit to Matthew Libertor for doing that. I'm excited

660
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: to see how he profiles against the Braves lineup that,

661
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier in the show, is kind

662
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: of going through it. But he has a chance to

663
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: round out what has been a very encouraging first half.

664
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Speaker 2: I'm going to follow your lead, but I'm going to

665
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: throw one in about like a specific stat line tonight

666
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: for Matthew Libertur draft Gangs pick six a fantasy game,

667
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: they list him with like four and a half strikeouts.

668
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: So in other words, if you think Lebby will get

669
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: five strikeouts and you go with the higher total, you

670
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: would win. Now I would say that there is a

671
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: reason to go with the higher I mean, I'm again,

672
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: everyone do what you want, because you can find all

673
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: the information DraftKings you and look up stats and everything else.

674
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: But here's why I think Libby is a guy that's

675
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: got a really good chance of getting five strikeouts because

676
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: to your point, he's really rounding back into form after

677
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: a little turbulence. But here, here's the deal. The Atlanta

678
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: Braves hitters this year have the fourth highest strikeout rate

679
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: in the National League against left handed pitchers. Okay, and

680
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: they have individual players, including some of their very best hitters,

681
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: have these huge strikeout rates against lefties right and the

682
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: Braves in their last eleven games they have struck out

683
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 2: ten times or more. So Libby has been around that

684
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: five strikeout range right tonight. He's getting a team that

685
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: seems to be, based on their track record, vulnerable against

686
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: left handed starters like him. So that one caught my eye.

687
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: The other one I like is this, even though Holmes

688
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: is a really good pitcher for the Braves, he's really

689
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: really good. Wilson a terres heating up, and you know

690
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: what that means. When he starts to heat up, he

691
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: sort of goes on a spree. Draftkinks pick six has

692
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,320
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693
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: runs and RBI's combination of those things tonight one point

694
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Speaker 2: five hits run scored RBIs So all he's got to

695
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: do is have a combination of those three things that

696
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: gets you to two. I mean, he has done that

697
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Speaker 2: in four of his last five games, and he's he's

698
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702
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Speaker 1: All Right, one last segment before we head out, because

716
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: it is almost time for me to go to the ballpark.

717
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: The Cardinals are fifty and forty four. They won their

718
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: fiftieth game yesterday. It's July eleventh, as we know, just

719
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: three games before the All Star Break. Here's a fun fact.

720
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: And twenty twenty two, July sixteenth, the final day before

721
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: the All Star Break, the Cardinals were fifty and forty

722
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: four and today Cardinals are fifty and forty four. So

723
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: why does it feel different? Why does this feel different?

724
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: Conversion twenty two, Bernie.

725
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: That's a great stat Thank you. I like that one. Wow,

726
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: that's a great question. Well that's it doesn't make any sense. Well,

727
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: what makes sense is they were drawing big crowds to

728
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: Bush Stadium. They're not doing that this year because they

729
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: had star power. Goldie was the MVP that year. Aronatto

730
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: could have been the MVP. He finished third in the voting.

731
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: Both of them were fantastic. Oh and then you had

732
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: the final chapter of are maybe the greatest right handed

733
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: hitter in the history of the game, and a fellow

734
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: named Albert Poolhols who just went berserk like in the

735
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 2: final three months. And so that team, Waynwright was really

736
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: good that year. I mean, that team was just so

737
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: much fun to watch. So the fans really really responded

738
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: as you would expect them to the final year of

739
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: Yadda r. Malina. But that's why your stat that's why

740
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 2: I had that reaction. I did not remember that they

741
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 2: were kind of like, eh, you know, at this time

742
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, which makes what Ali Marmel and

743
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: this team has done, it makes it even more impressive.

744
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: It really does. Hockey Brewers are good, The Cubs are good.

745
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: Those two teams are Yeah, those two teams are better

746
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: this year than they were in twenty twenty two. So

747
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: I think I'm I'm actually despite the fact that I

748
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: get ticked off by some of the things the Cardinals do.

749
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: They're inconsistent. Consistency is maddening and bewildering and frustrating. They're

750
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: doing better than I thought, so I you know, so

751
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: I look at the attendance rankings and I'm not ripping

752
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 2: on fans. I'm not because fans can do what they want.

753
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: It's their decision, it's their time, it's their money. But

754
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: it's still a little weird for me. Like when I

755
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: checked the other day and the Cardinals were ranked fifteenth

756
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: in average tickets sold to home games this year. They

757
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 2: were behind the Colorado Rockies, and it's like, I can't

758
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: understand that that a team. I don't know if the

759
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 2: Rockies won last night or played, but they were twenty

760
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: one and seventy two at the time. I, you know,

761
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: kind of put a note in about that a twenty

762
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: one and seventy two team is outdrawing a team that,

763
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: by universal agreement, has exceeded expectations. It's a young team,

764
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: it's a hungry team. I think they're pretty entertaining. They're

765
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: not entertaining when they're scoring one run like five games

766
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 2: in a row. Listen, no one's saying they're a super team.

767
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 2: But I find the team. Yeah, I find them appealing.

768
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: I also find their struggles appealing. And that'll was it?

769
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: What do you mean by that? Because there's always drama.

770
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 2: That's why there's always drama. You know, they're very they're

771
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 2: very yeah, they're very extreme great or like what what happened.

772
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: Very dramatic. We love that they're not boring. What else

773
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: for except maybe a couple more wins? But I did

774
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: thinking to compare these two teams. You are right about

775
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: the stars. You had two MVP candidates, you had two

776
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers, And let's not pretend the messaging around

777
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: the team in twenty twenty two was it was the

778
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: same as it is right now is far better. I

779
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: think what you're seeing here is a fan base that

780
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: is just kind of fed up, like, show me some change.

781
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: I get it.

782
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: And I think if the Cardinals going to make a

783
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: run come September, the city will rally. But right now

784
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: it's the same apathy for that we've seen all season.

785
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: I guess the record isn't going to change that. The

786
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: only thing that's really going to change is, I think

787
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: change from within the organization. But that's not coming to October.

788
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 2: And I again not to drag this out, and I apologize,

789
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: and then you have a situation where you know, with

790
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: people who are who were trying to be objective. You know,

791
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: he's done a good job. I'm not saying he's the

792
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: greatest manager ever. He's done a good job working in

793
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: this strange situation, and you know, he's he's probably going

794
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: to have a second winning season in a row after

795
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: recovering from seventy one to ninety one what certainly wasn't

796
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: his fault and one of them mind everyone too. And

797
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: I know I'm a repeat this all the time, but

798
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: at the end of this season, Ali Marmel will have

799
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: a better winning percentage than Tony Larusa had in his

800
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: first four seasons as the Cardinal manager. And Tony Larusa

801
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 2: was a guy who had already won a World Series

802
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 2: and two Pennants, and he also led to White Sox

803
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: in eighty three to this out of nowhere ninety nine

804
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: win season or whatever it was, So he had all

805
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: kinds of experience. Ali did not. So I have a

806
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 2: hard time knowing what I know. You know, having covered

807
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: those Larusa teams, I have a really hard time understanding

808
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 2: this notion that he is some kind of awful manager.

809
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 2: Was Tony Larusa an awful manager? And de Witt and

810
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: Walt Jacket he went out and gave him everything he

811
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: wanted in terms of the roster before nineteen.

812
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: That happened in the last couple of years.

813
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 2: So how I don't know. I have a hard time

814
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: recordciling he's the worst manager who ever lived, or whatever,

815
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: you know. But when he's going to have a four

816
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 2: year body of record, a four year body of work

817
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: in the first four scenes as a manager, that's going

818
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: to be better than Tony LaRussa. It's going to be

819
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: better by Tony LaRussa by not just a smidge either.

820
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: It's going to be better than Larusa's first four seasons.

821
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: Winning percentage difference is going to be somewhere around twelve

822
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 2: thirteen percentage points. So I actually I wonder how many

823
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: fans will even if they bring Ali back, We'll have

824
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: a fit, have a tantrum. I'm not going down there.

825
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: Oh no, that always happened. But anyway, look, there are

826
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: reasons you havetimistic I know it's going to frustrating start

827
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: to July. Let's just collectively get to the All Star

828
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: break reset, because I think we could have a really

829
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: exciting second half, or at least, at least bare minimum,

830
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: a really exciting first two weeks of the second half.

831
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: If they keep winning, we'll see some trade deadline action

832
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: and we'll see just how how much the Cardinals want

833
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: to commit to going toward for it this year. If

834
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: they have a bad two weeks, they will sell, so

835
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: I guess that is something. But there is a chance

836
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 1: here as we sit here with the St. Louis Cardinals

837
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: games over five hundred with three games to go before

838
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: the All Star Break, that no matter what your frustration

839
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: level is with some of the decision making, some of

840
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: the personnel, this team is in a much better spot

841
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: than we thought they were going to be. And that's exciting.

842
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: So Bernie and I will I'll be back, Bernie. I

843
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: haven't go talk to you yet, but hopefully we will.

844
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: We will have something for you at Cardinal Territory right

845
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: after the draft on Sunday, and then I'm taking a

846
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: couple of days off for the All Star breaks. Again

847
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: collectively as a unit, you guys, let's just get through Sunday.

848
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: We can do it.

849
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: Not right, thank you?

850
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: All right? For Bernie, I'm Katie. This is Cardinal Territory.

851
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you at the end of the week.