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Speaker 1: Duel more Ways to win. Hi, everybody, Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Monday Morning Podcast. Mark Sanchez is gonna be great today.

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Speaker 1: Smart dude talk about the USC days, about the New

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Speaker 1: York Jet days, about the best coordinator he ever had,

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Speaker 1: and all these young quarterback His thoughts. So, by the way,

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Speaker 1: Saturday night, I watched Jake Paul beat Ben Askron. Ben

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Speaker 1: Askin was a like an MMA guy. One punch fight,

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Speaker 1: Jake Paul's like a YouTuber knocked him out, And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting. Two things jumped to me.

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Speaker 1: First of all, it's hard to be good at two things.

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Speaker 1: It's impossible to be great at two things. When MMA

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Speaker 1: guys try to box, they look awful. When boxers going

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Speaker 1: to the octagon, they look awful. Michael Jordan couldn't hit

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Speaker 1: a baseball curve and Randy Moss couldn't hoop. The reality

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Speaker 1: is Dion Sanders is a once in a lifetime athlete

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Speaker 1: that could do both. But you know, it's funny about

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Speaker 1: boxing and UFC, and I've heard this, Oh it's a stick.

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Speaker 1: How can you watch? Jake Paul, Let me ask you

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Speaker 1: was it interesting? Was it interesting? Yeah? It got one

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Speaker 1: point five million pay per views? It was interesting. The

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Speaker 1: hell do I care? If it was a YouTube star

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Speaker 1: and it was an MMA guy. If tomorrow I opened

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Speaker 1: a new business and I just did celebrity fighting, that's it.

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Speaker 1: And I took guys who were athletic or women. They

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Speaker 1: were athletic. I didn't. I won't have Tom Arnold out there, okay,

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Speaker 1: but I took people that were athletic. Denzel wanted to

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Speaker 1: fight Tom Hanks and they both trained for it. You

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Speaker 1: wouldn't watch, of course, you'd watch. The reality is boxing

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Speaker 1: doesn't give us enough fascinating matchups. UFC has a lot

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Speaker 1: of them. They give us more than boxing. But in

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Speaker 1: the end, I always bristlet people who say, oh, how

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Speaker 1: can you watch that crap? I'm a fan of interesting.

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Speaker 1: When I was a kid growing up, there was an

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Speaker 1: industry in America that was fairly dynamic. It was Daredevil's

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Speaker 1: Evil Knevil. So I got a job in Las Vegas,

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Speaker 1: and I watched a couple of Daredevils perform live. To

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Speaker 1: this day, it's the first or second most captivating stuff

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen live. Daredevils are fascinating. YouTube stars boxing

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Speaker 1: seven of the World Series, and not everything has to

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Speaker 1: be Saturday Night SEC football. I always look at I

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Speaker 1: always look at it this way. We have a million

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Speaker 1: regular season baseball games. Look at all the sports we

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Speaker 1: have in America today. Maybe five percent of sports is

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Speaker 1: championship level stuff, the rest of its regular season, out

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Speaker 1: of conference, not urgent. I will take championship level, legitimate

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Speaker 1: sports first. But if you give me Jake Paul and

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Speaker 1: Ben Askren over the Milwaukee Brewers and the Atlanta Braves

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Speaker 1: on a Tuesday, I'm gonna take Jake Paul. I'll take

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Speaker 1: the championship sports first, a great Rose Bowl, a great

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Speaker 1: baseball playoff game. But second, Daredevil, I'll tell you another thing.

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Speaker 1: I like tight rope walking. Remember a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: one of those Wilendas walked on a tight route between

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Speaker 1: I'm interested. So I'm not one of these sports fans.

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Speaker 1: That's an idealist like sometimes a NASCAR crash, a baseball

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Speaker 1: Takeaway championship level stuff, Stanley Cup, playoffs, World Series, take

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Speaker 1: that out. I wish we had more events. I've said

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Speaker 1: Jake Paul's a YouTube star. Ninety percent of America over

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Speaker 1: if he would have fought a real boxer, You're talking

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Speaker 1: it every time it's available. Well, I've known Mark Sanchez

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Speaker 1: I was there for every snap. I saw every snap.

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Speaker 1: whole pregame routine down, like you have no idea, you

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00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: have no idea what's going on? And so um that

425
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: was that that was really funny because I remember watching

426
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: some of that tape and those third downs were just,

427
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean, out of this world. And once you do that,

428
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 1: it was almost like it was almost like, um, you know,

429
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: you're teaching a kid to fundamentals in basketball and then

430
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: he's in a game and he hits a fade away

431
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: three pointer and you're like, what the hell was that?

432
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: And the worst thing that happened is he made the

433
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: shot right, because now he's thinking like, oh, I got this.

434
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: I can shoot fade away three pointers. I can do

435
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: whatever I want instead of you're like, hey, left foot,

436
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: right foot, elbow straight, you know, right to the target,

437
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So we did that, and

438
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: now I'm just like, oh, we got these third downs,

439
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: is no big deal. Come on, just chuck it in there,

440
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, And then that ball's going the other way.

441
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, shoot, it doesn't work like that. I

442
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: think my proudest moment as a broadcaster is I remembered

443
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: that I don't know what's right. I think I was.

444
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: I was such a big sc guy and a big

445
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez guy that I just remember thinking he's not

446
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: playing great, but Jesus, he's converting all these third deaths

447
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: and then pulling their hair out. They're just like, how

448
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: can we get off the damn field? Like this is crazy? You.

449
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: I think you replaced Farve if I read yeah, it

450
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a mess with Farve actually

451
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: ended up kind of getting. You know, Mangini didn't want him,

452
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: and Manginie acknowledges it today. He's like, if if Farv

453
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: comes in, it's gonna be Farv and the Jets. It's

454
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: gonna splinter our locker room. And it kind of did.

455
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 1: And then the end, Farv goes and Mangini goes. But

456
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't think you You played for the Jets

457
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: for however long it was, and then there was a

458
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 1: series of a year here, a year here, a year here.

459
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:48,479
Speaker 1: People sometimes I don't think quite understand how difficult it is.

460
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: So there was a guy years ago named Jason Campbell.

461
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: He played at Auburn, then he went to Washington. He

462
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: had seven coordinators in like eight years, and I thought

463
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: he was already good. And I remember saying, can you

464
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: imagine if I had a different producer for seven straight

465
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: years in radio? You differently? You had a lot of

466
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: stability in New York, and then it was here for your,

467
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: here for your, here for you, here for your. So

468
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: a lot of times I don't think fans understand that

469
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: that if you had a different boss, a different sales

470
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 1: manager every year, who was the single best because you

471
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: had a lot of quick learning to do after the Jets,

472
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: the single smartest, best play caller or coordinator you had

473
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 1: that you look back and think, God, I wish I

474
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: could have worked with him from day one. Well, I think,

475
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: just based on time on task, was probably Philly and

476
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: coach Kelly. I know, I know there's Philadelphia fans that

477
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 1: would kill me for saying that, because they, I mean

478
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: hated them by the end. They wanted to run him

479
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: out of town. I think some of the management moves weren't,

480
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,239
Speaker 1: you know, him and Howry Roseman weren't like perfectly on

481
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: the same page, which tend to happen. Tends to happen.

482
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: But I think because the system was so easy to

483
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: pick up, that was like boom. I you know, as

484
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: soon as I got in, I was gone, Like it

485
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: was good. We're rolling. But when we get rid of

486
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: all those playmakers, you know, the DeShawn Jackson's and Lashawn McCoy's,

487
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: and try and bring in a back that's more of

488
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: a you know, an I formation under center, stretch zone

489
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: back and DeMarco Murray and try and run gun runs

490
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: with him, it's just not the same. And then we

491
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: had turnover with Nick Foles and Sam Bradford, So then

492
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: I play, then don't play, and play then don't play.

493
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: That was one of the toughest things, is like I

494
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: know the system. I feel good. I could run this

495
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: tempo stuff better than anybody in my opinion, and when

496
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: we're rolling, we're rolling. We just need a little thicker playbook.

497
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: And we wanted to keep all those players. In my opinion,

498
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: I thought that would have been like we were right

499
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: there and early in this season. Why why is Chips

500
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 1: You're the second quarterback who's told me this mark, So

501
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: give me some lexicon, give me some verbiage. Why is

502
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: Chips system so easy? Um? Okay, so you know trips right,

503
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: you know? Um? What would we say like uh sixty

504
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: three scat z snag uh dagger would just be like

505
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: trio gator, Like it's just two words. If it was

506
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: more than two words, Chip would get pissed. So it

507
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: was just like near and far would just tell you

508
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: if you're on the near hash or far hash. If

509
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: you're on the far hash, it's three by one to

510
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: the field. If you're on the near hash it's two

511
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: by two. Tight end never changes sides, only the only

512
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: the slot receiver and by the time everybody learned it.

513
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: Anybody could play any position. So if you had four

514
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: whiteouts on the field, it's easy because gators one way,

515
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: seminoles the opposite. You know, Lincoln and Ford are two,

516
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: it's it'd be double right sixty two Sam Zebra shallow

517
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: cross is just near Lincoln. Like that was it. And

518
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: so once you learn you know dagger and blade and

519
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how to describe, it is

520
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: so easy. And everything was signaled. So the only person

521
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: I'd have to communicate to was the running back. And

522
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: the only reason I'd communicate to the running back was

523
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: to give him the play faster than he would get

524
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: it from the signal, so I'd have it in my helmet,

525
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: so I would just grab him and tell him where

526
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: to go, Like just put my hand on his jersey

527
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: and move him over and say, hey, we're going forty.

528
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: You got the mesh, said hut boom, and handle the ball.

529
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: He didn't need to know anything else. And so it's

530
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: great when you get into a groove and a rhythm.

531
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: I think there's a place for that, but I think

532
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: we're a little heavy with it because at a certain

533
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: point you get to those critical third downs and you

534
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: can't run the same play every third day. I mean,

535
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators are just too good. So once you stall

536
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: and go through out and only burn thirty seconds on

537
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: the clock because he just threw it three times, there's

538
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: literally like fights that almost break out on the sidelines

539
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: because the defense gets you the ball back and then

540
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: you just make them go right back on the field.

541
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: They're exhausted and they're like, dude, what's the deal, Like,

542
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: just run the ball once and give us a little

543
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: break here because we're gassed. So it's I think there's

544
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: a place for it. I think he was ahead of

545
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: his time because all these RPOs that's all Chip. I mean,

546
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: that was all Chip. So that kind of stuff. You know,

547
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: you're essentially a second baseman turning two. You got to

548
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: have really quick hands. I talked to Sarkisian about this

549
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: and why mac Jones was so good, and he said

550
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: he's got very quick hands, just like he's turned into

551
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: like a double play. And he also is incredibly accurate

552
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: on balls that are you know, the swing passes, the

553
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: tunnel screens, the quick slants, all that kind of stuff.

554
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: He's a yard in front of the front number. He

555
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: never slows those guys down with the football and leaves

556
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: meat on the bone, essentially prohibits them from getting uh

557
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, yack yards yards after catch, He's always pushing

558
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: them into the next window, pushing them forward, keeping their

559
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: momentum going forward towards the line of scrimmage, away from

560
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: the defender. That's why he's so deadly. And instead of

561
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: getting three yards or four yards, your twelve yards moved

562
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: the chains, let's roll and the defense is just like

563
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: head spinning. So that's that's what made those things so

564
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: good and so um. It was. Yeah, it was. It

565
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: was definitely ahead of its time. No, I think it was.

566
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, there's a company before Facebook called myspaced.

567
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: He was, and then it didn't have the privacy that

568
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: Facebook did, so it had everything right. Rupert Murdoch bought it. Actually,

569
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: he would argue today even though it went under, that

570
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: it served a purpose for what Fox needed. But it

571
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: went under and Facebook was MySpace with better privacy. And

572
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: so I look a lot at chip Kelly, and I

573
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: think basically chip Kelly just needed a better personnel guy

574
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: and maybe an NFL core ordinator to help him situation

575
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: in the red. I mean, because he really if you

576
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: look at so much of his stuff now has been

577
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: stolen by everybody. You know, that's the reality of it.

578
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: I ask every former pro athlete or current pro athlete this.

579
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: I love the draft. I've always loved the draft. I

580
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: get hyped up like everybody. I think every draft class

581
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: is amazing. I'm ridiculous. But you know, as a pro athlete,

582
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: how many practices does it take when nine to ten

583
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: new guys come in for you Mark Sanchez to go, oh, dude,

584
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: can't play, or holy shit, this guy is gonna How

585
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: many practices does it take? Sometimes it's just a couple

586
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: of plays because all you got to see is flash.

587
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: All you gotta see her some flashes, right because once

588
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: you see it, you know, so you'll know in the

589
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: first one or two like okay, or man, that guy's

590
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: got some spring to him or whatever, or damn he's

591
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,479
Speaker 1: a competitor. Or this dude, I don't know how he

592
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: doesn't walk out of this facility and get hit by

593
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: a bus, Like are you kidding me? He can't even

594
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: line up right like that. That freaks you out when

595
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: you're just like, whoa, there's nobody home, what's going on here?

596
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: I saw this dude ball in college? What happened? What

597
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: were they telling him to get him to do that?

598
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: Whatever they were saying, we need to start saying that

599
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: because this ain't gonna cut it. But it's I mean,

600
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: one or two practices, you'll know the cream rises to

601
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: the top, right, Like these guys separate themselves and it's

602
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: it's usually like a head turner kind of play or

603
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: just something that like you'll be walking down the hallway

604
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: of the facility and a coach will kind of grab

605
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: you be like, hey, you see eighty four today and

606
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, you're talking about the comeback, that diving

607
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: comeback he caught. Yeah, man, I ain't seen a route

608
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: like that since. And they'll name somebody that it reminded

609
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: them of, you know what I mean. Like those those

610
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: moments are fun because when it happens, people kind of

611
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: recognize it at practice and then it's like, okay, back

612
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: to the script. We don't want to take too much time,

613
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: but yeah, it only takes a couple of practices. You

614
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: figured out pretty quick. Tell me in your career the

615
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: number one head turner, the number one rookie that walked

616
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: in and you just went wow, oh, well, all of

617
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: them were on defense thanks a lot Rex, all those

618
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: first round defenders, all those corners and no, you know

619
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: what was what was who did it every year? And

620
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: then once we had those guys together, was was Cromarty

621
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: and Durell revs. Right Like once we had Cromarty and

622
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: Durrell and then Jim Leonard at safety, that defense with

623
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, Jason Taylor, Dave Harris like that,

624
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: that unit, it was like, damn, we need to be

625
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: on Then we get Lt. Santonio and Braylon and Jericho

626
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: and Dustin Keller and it was like it was real competition.

627
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: It reminded me a lot of college. The way every

628
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: day was like the defense could win, the offense could win,

629
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: let's go. But it was it was I mean every

630
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: day even if the offense played better. Darrell Reeves would

631
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: jump out on film and at one point just essentially

632
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: run a route for the receiver in coverage and either

633
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: bat the ball down or body somebody up or pick

634
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: the ball off. And you were just like, damn this dude,

635
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, man, like one on ones we're

636
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: just like this is you know, getting into a game

637
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: of horse with Michael Jordan like what are you doing?

638
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: Like this is just silly, you know, and he would

639
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: like he was so good. He would mess around like

640
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: all right, like today, I know we're practicing man covered like,

641
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: but I'm only playing off like I'm better and jam

642
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, just you know, bump and run kind of

643
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: man a man. But I'll just react to plays off.

644
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: I'll just react to routes off. And he'd still jump routes.

645
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: You're like, dude, you don't have a weakness, like this

646
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: ain't fair. So it was. It was really fun. You know.

647
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: It's interesting since you've left the league, how many years

648
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: you you've been out of the league. This would be

649
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: my third season, coming up third or fourth. I think

650
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Mark McVeigh comes into the league, Sean McVeigh,

651
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: and he says, no, I'm not gonna have any of

652
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: my good players playing preseason none where people said people said,

653
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: can't do that. Yeah, goes eight no, goes eight no, no,

654
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: And the whole league goes, oh god, preseason's a big

655
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: con this is And by the way, he doesn't wait,

656
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: guys don't wear shells. It's really interesting. In three to

657
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: four years, Mark practice is lighter. Yeah, a preseason is lighter. Yeah,

658
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: you left about four or five years ago. Sometimes I

659
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: think to myself, the guys that like four or five

660
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: years ago could have stayed and left. I think it's

661
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: an easier league now, I really do. I think the

662
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: the hittings way down at practice. It feels like the

663
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: way down from your rookie year. I mean even from

664
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: this would be like two cbas ago, I guess. But

665
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 1: my first two years were the older CBA where you'd

666
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: have double days, full pads. I thought about that, like

667
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: my last couple of years. I don't know if I

668
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: could have done that. I don't know if somebody told

669
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: me right now, you know, give me two weeks or

670
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: almost twenty days rather of two days full pads, like ah,

671
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, my arm would just fall off. I

672
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: don't know how I did it before I was, you know,

673
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: twenty one, twenty two years old, and like who cares?

674
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: You go walk out to the field, touch your toes

675
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: and just start going like how hard is it? And

676
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: by the end of my career, I was like God,

677
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: and Rex was trying to throw us a bone. Every

678
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: fourth practice was a special team's practice essentially, so he'd

679
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: give the skill guys a break. But it was I

680
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: mean that's just insanity now compared to what's going on.

681
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: I mean now it's like a virtual offseason. I mean

682
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: you're you're just like show up ready to play, like

683
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's definitely different. I like it.

684
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: I you know what Mark I am. I'm a huge

685
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: believer in this is that a lot of things we

686
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: do in life and football we do them because the

687
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: previous generation bread them. And I think McVeigh really changed

688
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: the way we think of football. More positivity, less yelling,

689
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: easier practice, no preseason, most of it bs. And I

690
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I look at it and I think

691
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: to myself, I think football is more fun today than

692
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: four years ago for an athlete. I really do. I

693
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: think it's more fun for sure. It's just there's bigger

694
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: splash plays, more offense, which is you know, great for

695
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: the league. That's what they promote. That's why the hashes

696
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: are narrower in the NFL than they are in college

697
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: in high school. I mean, they want the offense in

698
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, advantage offense, right. They want

699
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: it to be, you know, tough for defenses to disguise

700
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff because they want to

701
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: score more points. Nobody wants to go to a you know,

702
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: a six to three ball game. That's just not fun.

703
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: So unfortunately for the d F they you know, they'd

704
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: kill me for saying that, but that's just kind of

705
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: the way it goes. So now, you know, with somebody

706
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: like McVay, who's innovative and you know, looks at the

707
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: research of like, Okay, we're just gonna bang heads for

708
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: three weeks, he's like, for what, we don't need to

709
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: do that. If that's only gonna put us at risk,

710
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: Let's put that on the shelf and at least guarantee

711
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: we make it to the season ready to go, instead

712
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: of losing two or three guys just because that's what

713
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: we do, that's tradition or whatever. You know, Like, I'd

714
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: rather get to the truth of it than just do

715
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: what everybody else has done. And it looks like he's

716
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: done that well. Chip Kelly had morning practices at Oregon

717
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: for two reasons. He said, if I have morning practices,

718
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: the guys have to go to bed early on campus. Yeah. Secondly,

719
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: they run marathons in the morning, not afternoon. Your body

720
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: actually functions higher in the morning. So I don't know

721
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: what he did in the NFL, but people started copying

722
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: him in the PAC twelve because like in LA, you know,

723
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: you don't wat your players out at night, too much

724
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: to do. So Chip's thing is it's Oregon. Everybody's stoned

725
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 1: here in the state anyway. So I want my guys

726
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: going to bed at nine. I'm going to work. I'm

727
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: like dogs at six. So again the Chip Kelly's John mcvaything,

728
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: let's let's just be different. And I don't know, I

729
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: always think Chip. I I know Chip pretty well. I

730
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: always defend Chip because Philadelphia hates everybody. He went ten

731
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: and six, ten and six, and they were ready to

732
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: run him out of town his third year. And it's oh, yeah, yeah,

733
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: you do you people get it, you understand Tenant, Yeah,

734
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: I agree. So I want you to go back. College

735
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: football now is very southern. I think it hurts the sport.

736
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: It's two inslur And I've always said this, there's three

737
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: programs in the country that need to win for the

738
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: sport to feel big. Miami Hurricanes, Texas Longhorns, US the sport.

739
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: The sport feels big, it feels like more city and

740
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: not rural. Yeah. Now, when USC dominated the sport. I

741
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: remember going to practice and Herb Street said, this is

742
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: in college. It's not pro. It's right in the mat.

743
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: When you were I mean, you're an eighteen nineteen year

744
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: old kid, snoop dogg Will Ferrell. Just give me. Give

745
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: me a couple of minutes on no NFL teams in

746
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. None, the Clippers sucked. There was no soccer.

747
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: It was basically SC Dodgers, Lakers. Yeah, go back and

748
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: and and just give give me a sense of how

749
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: I was at those USC home games. What was it

750
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: like to be the quarterback of that program. It's incredible.

751
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: It was such a such a ride, and I think

752
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: coach Sarkisian Hatison such a such a great mode of

753
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: focus and reminded us who played before us. We wore

754
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: yellow jerseys at practice, and he reminded us that you

755
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: wear yellow jerseys twenty four seven, like you're now the

756
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: quarterback at USC. That's a big deal and you represent

757
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people, your family, your high school, coach,

758
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: the school, this program, the guys who played before you,

759
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: all that, the guys in this room that's liner, you know,

760
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: like Carson Palmer, you know that was a big, big deal.

761
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: But I mean around town it was incredible because maybe

762
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: it's not you know, small town USA where everything stops

763
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: for USC football, but it was pretty damn close, right,

764
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: like pretty close. And when you get celebrities fighting to

765
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: get on your sideline, you know something's going right, Like,

766
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, Pete's recruiting his ass off to a point

767
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: where we were we were taking recruits just so we

768
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: didn't play against them. Like that's crazy to me. It's like,

769
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: don't go across town because we're better and we don't

770
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: want to have to play against you. Boom, Now we

771
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: have a six running back in one class and we're like,

772
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: what how do we do that? I remember that, like

773
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: what are we doing? But I remember beating Ohio State

774
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: in the CALCM and that was one of the biggest

775
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: games of the year, and we all go out. Boom,

776
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: somebody has this great idea to go to Hollywood. I'm like,

777
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna do just out. Next to Sean Merriman, next

778
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: to other NFL players from San Diego who came up

779
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: to LA. We're just like this is crazy, Like what

780
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: are we doing here? It was it was like next level,

781
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, And then it just became like what what

782
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: it was. And you know, Carson, Troy, Paula Mally, those

783
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: guys built that right with Pete, with with Norm Chow

784
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: and then Stark took it over with Kiffin and and

785
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: Pete was still there, you know, rocking it was. I mean,

786
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: there was nothing better. It's like it's it did have

787
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of that small town feel like I said,

788
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: but in La in an awesome market, great weather. Uh

789
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: you know, a little little more relaxed fan base, right,

790
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: like they're not just like bringing down your neck. They

791
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: were fired up for you, you know, and it was

792
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: it was an incredible ride, man, that we're in. That

793
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: yellow jersey was really special. Yeah. Like I I remember

794
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: being on the sideline for the Ohio State game. I

795
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: remember I was down about the twenty yard line the

796
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: fifteen yard line, and Henry Winkler was next to me.

797
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: Denzel was there, Jerry Bruckheimer was there. I think Snoop

798
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: was on the I was on the sea side and

799
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: you threw a wheel route, somebody threw a there was

800
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: age yeah, to Stanley Avilia, number thirty one, and it

801
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: was my roommate. Oh. It was so that sarcused to

802
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: be in the in the room, in the quarterback room,

803
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: like on Mondays and Tuesdays, and he would take this

804
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: small expo marker. I just reminded of him of this

805
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: last week when I went to go see him in Texas,

806
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: and he would write with this tiny little expo marker

807
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: all the plays on this giant whiteboard for the week. Right.

808
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: So I walked in randomly and he's in there and

809
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: he's got the Killers. It's either the Killers or he

810
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: loved Journey, and it's just blaring right and he's rocking out.

811
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: He's got his call sheet and he's writing stuffed down right,

812
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: stuffed down in drawing place. And I came in. I

813
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,479
Speaker 1: was like, what do we got this week? He goes, oh, Marky,

814
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: why don't you sit down. I got some good ship

815
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: for you. Watch this. He goes, Hey, they're gonna bring

816
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: a cover two slasher. Look, they're gonna be in strong safety.

817
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: They're gonna bring the Sam backer. All right, we're gonna

818
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna be in flank. Okay, you tell Blake Ales,

819
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: go line up properly in flank that's flanked the Why please, Blake, Okay,

820
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: I know you like the lineup wrong let's get that right.

821
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: So he's kind of talking like John Gruden, and he goes,

822
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna snap this ball, You're gonna remike it just

823
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: before you snap it. And Stanley Havili, I swear to God,

824
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: is gonna be wide open against a defensive end who

825
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: thinks he's gonna run a flat rode. He's gonna take

826
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: it to the wheel route. He's gonna run right by

827
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: his ass. Fight on. Hit up the band, Let's strike

828
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: up the band, Let's roll. And he called it like

829
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: on Monday, what was gonna happen. We've practiced it four

830
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: or five times and boom. He gives me the signal

831
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: during the game and he goes, it's coming. Here comes

832
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: field two Slasher, get ready to roll. Tell Stanley to

833
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: get on his horse, and I almost missed him. Stanley,

834
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: I mean I stretched him out as far as he

835
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: could go and then he kind of like somersaulted into

836
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: the end zone. But it was like, I mean, I

837
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: knew it was gonna happen for five days leading up

838
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: to the game, then it happened. I mean, that's kind

839
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: of the way those games felt. That's that's the way

840
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: we were prepared that that was our normal, and um god,

841
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: it was. It was a fun It was a fun ride, man,

842
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: it was you know, it's funny. Pete wasn't happy when

843
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Speaker 1: you left. I remember that. Weird although it was he's

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Speaker 1: not wrong. He was talking about quarterbacks in general leaving early.

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Speaker 1: The success rate is low, and then it's okay, define success, right,

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Speaker 1: Like what does that mean when a game win, ten games,

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Speaker 1: go to a playoff game? What does that mean? Be it?

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Speaker 1: You know, ten time super Bowl appearance like Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: is that success? So it just it's all relative. But

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Speaker 1: he was he was basically voicing his opinion, and in

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Speaker 1: that moment, you know, I understand why he wanted to

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Speaker 1: say that. He's like, hey, here's what I feel about

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Speaker 1: the matter. Mark's gonna do this and we're going to

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Speaker 1: support him. But usually people don't say what they feel like.

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Speaker 1: They only say like, hey, you know, whatever organization takes.

856
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: Was getting a great guy, and look at Mat Stafford,

857
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Speaker 1: look at Reggie Bush, look at all these guys. So

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Speaker 1: when he gave his opinion, it was just like wait

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Speaker 1: what it was like, hey, listen, we agree to disagree,

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Speaker 1: and I wish him all the best. He's a great kid.

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Speaker 1: So he wasn't like slamming me, but it just was

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Speaker 1: really awkward. Did you have to go into his office

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Speaker 1: to tell him? Like an hour before? No. We stayed

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Speaker 1: up to like one thirty two o'clock in the morning,

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Speaker 1: eating in and out Burger the night before this press

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Speaker 1: conference in my apartment, So I knew what he was

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Speaker 1: gonna say. That's why I didn't care. I understood, and

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Speaker 1: we were talking about his I mean him back at UOP,

869
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Speaker 1: we were talking about God. He told me some great

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Speaker 1: stories about coaches and players, and the whole time we'd

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Speaker 1: get back to all right, so are you leaving or

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Speaker 1: you staying? Like can I get you here? What are

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Speaker 1: we doing? And I was just like coachs just the

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Speaker 1: right time, like Bradford staying, Colt McCoy staying, the only

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Speaker 1: other guy that's leaving a Stafford, and maybe the kid

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Speaker 1: from Kansas State Josh Freeman, Like why wouldn't I go?

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Speaker 1: My stock can never be higher? Like this is the

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Speaker 1: time and you're telling me I get to go out

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Speaker 1: in a T shirt and shorts and compete against these

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Speaker 1: guys and try and become a top five pick. I'm in.

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00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: I'll bet on myself And he just you know, we

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Speaker 1: just disagreed. He wanted me back and I respected that.

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Speaker 1: But I'm literally till two in the morning the night

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Speaker 1: before the press conference. So it's not like when it

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Speaker 1: all came out and as awkwards as it look, because

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Speaker 1: the Times put us in that picture where we're like

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Speaker 1: kind of crossing pat like we had already like can

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Speaker 1: shake hug thing, and then we were passing each other,

889
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Speaker 1: so he was kind of like here and I'm here,

890
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Speaker 1: and it was just awkward and that picture became like oh, Pete,

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Speaker 1: Carol Mark Sanchez and then yeah, I called it. He

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Speaker 1: called me that day and was just like, oh my god,

893
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm sorry, man. I didn't mean it

894
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Speaker 1: to be like this, and but I was like, coach,

895
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: what are you apologizing for? I get it. It's all good.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's taken on a life of its own.

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Speaker 1: It's all good. Generationally, again, you missed it by about

898
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Speaker 1: four or five years. These kids now are in these

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Speaker 1: seven on seven camps. It's insane. They got twenty. It's insane.

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Speaker 1: Like in high school you probably played thirty games. These

901
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Speaker 1: guys now have ten thousand throws in games. By like fourteen,

902
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: when you sit down with these quarterbacks. Now, do you

903
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: think to yourself, oh, my god, if I could have

904
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Speaker 1: had this coaching when I was fourteen years old, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: I think that's huge. I think the only thing that

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Speaker 1: gets lost in some of that and it's really it's

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Speaker 1: really funny. Sark and I talked about this last week too,

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Speaker 1: is I said my senior year or my last year

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Speaker 1: or U I see, I had three snaps from the shotgun,

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Speaker 1: three the entire season. That was in two thousand and

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Speaker 1: nine or two thousand and eight, So I'm like, where

912
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: the game has come now. I mean, these guys, a

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Speaker 1: lot of them can't even get under center. That was

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Speaker 1: one of the best things about Zach Wilson is he

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Speaker 1: goes under center, turns his back to the defense more

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Speaker 1: than people think in their system, but it is a

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Speaker 1: shotgun based system. And what Starts been able to do

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Speaker 1: and transition this thing to all gun They're running almost

919
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: all the same shifts, emotions and plays and concepts. He's

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Speaker 1: added RPOs and he's moved the quarterback into the shotgun.

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Speaker 1: It's very similar. He's running a ton of our plays

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Speaker 1: that we used to run, just like Chip, just like

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Speaker 1: all these other coordinators. But these kids have these reps,

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Speaker 1: these banked reps, like you said, ten thousand of them,

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Speaker 1: all summer long. But that means these kids obviously aren't

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Speaker 1: playing other sports like I was. You know, summer of

927
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Speaker 1: my junior year going into senior year of high school

928
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Speaker 1: was probably the best shape I'll ever be in my

929
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Speaker 1: entire life, because it was you know, it was football

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Speaker 1: practice or seven on seven and then basketball tournament and

931
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Speaker 1: then go throw a couple inning, go pitch couple innings

932
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Speaker 1: in baseball, and you know, maybe bunt or something and

933
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Speaker 1: sprint to first base like I would just I was

934
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Speaker 1: just exhausted. And then we'd go to the beach after

935
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Speaker 1: and like hang out on off days and just go

936
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Speaker 1: get exhausted, either surfing or boogie boarding, Like there's I

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Speaker 1: would love. That's the only time in my life where

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Speaker 1: I'm like, man, if I could go back there for

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Speaker 1: a week, that was one hell of a run. Man,

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Speaker 1: We're in really good shape. We wouldn't stop, and we're

941
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Speaker 1: just playing ball. So I think some of these guys,

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Speaker 1: it's great because they get to see all those reps

943
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Speaker 1: and bank all those reps, But at a certain point too,

944
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Speaker 1: it's like you know, get out, be a kid, do

945
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Speaker 1: some others, play some other sports, play basketball, play play tennis,

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Speaker 1: play whatever you play. But it's so focused now that

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Speaker 1: you know, at eight years old, little Johnny's got to

948
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Speaker 1: be you know, Tom Brady and go to ten Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: So if that means a million, seven on seven tournaments,

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Speaker 1: that's I guess what it means. All right, Thanks Mark,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Hope everybody enjoyed our Monday morning podcast. Follow

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