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Speaker 1: This is Gavin Newsom and this is pod Save America's

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Speaker 1: Jon Favreau and Tommy Detort. When did you guys become crooked?

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Speaker 1: By the way, what the hell is that? We were

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Speaker 1: always seriously many was that a tell? Are you guys

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Speaker 1: trying to tell? I mean, what are you?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: Were you trying to communicate?

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Speaker 2: We named it in twenty seventeen we started, Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: more people knew Podsave America than cricket at first. But

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Speaker 2: we thought crooked media like it was. It was twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 2: so it was the height of Trump just one resistance.

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Speaker 2: He's calling everyone the crooked media and all that kind

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Speaker 2: of stuff. We're taking a tongue in cheek.

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Speaker 1: You take it back. You weren't just admitting to something.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, But but then it's stuck and now

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Speaker 2: now it's just here.

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Speaker 1: And so I mean, but the point is the point

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Speaker 1: I mean, this thing is, this thing is evolved from

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen in ways that you can act in hindsight.

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Speaker 1: Like of course, we always knew this was our trajectory,

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Speaker 1: our vision, in our But did you have any noble

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Speaker 1: ship did you have any idea that this thing would

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Speaker 1: be where it is today and you guys would be

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Speaker 1: so multi faceted, not just with one podcast, multiple podcasts

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Speaker 1: and books and tours everything else.

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely absolute luck and timing. We we me and

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Speaker 3: John uh Favon love it. We sat in John's kitchen

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Speaker 3: and we uh bought like a website on medium dot com.

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Speaker 3: We tried a bunch of r ls. We couldn't get

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Speaker 3: like crookedmedia dot com. We couldn't get crooked dot com

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Speaker 3: for a long time. We like got a negotiation with

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Speaker 3: like the porn King of Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some guy that the porn sites in Arizona

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Speaker 2: that was going to sell it to you for crooked

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Speaker 2: crooked media, and how.

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Speaker 3: He was passionate about it.

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Speaker 2: So we had to go crookeed dot com.

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Speaker 3: Web Yeah, like get crooked anyway, we rolled out like

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Speaker 3: a Medium website in one show and called it a

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Speaker 3: company and like fake until you make it.

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Speaker 2: For a while, we read no money and we I

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Speaker 2: remember we went to the Bank of America and West Hollywood,

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Speaker 2: the three of us, and we're like, we'd like to

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Speaker 2: open up a bank account and they're like, uh, okay,

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Speaker 2: we need to put some money in it. And we're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: so we sat there when we like wrote a twenty

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Speaker 2: five dollars check or something in cash?

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Speaker 3: Was that Oneman saying wasn't like Olga or yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she helped us and that was that's how we started.

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Speaker 2: No investor money, no nothing.

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Speaker 3: I think John turned us. He's like, I was sort

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Speaker 3: of thought I'd ope at a joint account for the first

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so was it?

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Speaker 1: Well, you guys drunk one night and you said we

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Speaker 1: got some crazy idea, We're just looking for a job.

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Speaker 1: Help wanted what was it?

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Speaker 2: So Tommy and Lovett and I, like after the White

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Speaker 2: House had talked about how there's not enough progressive media

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Speaker 2: right and so we'd had the three of us have

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Speaker 2: been having that conversation. Then during the twenty sixteen race,

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Speaker 2: Bill Simmons reached out to me because we known each

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Speaker 2: other we both went to Holy Cross and he said, so,

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Speaker 2: I have this new site called The Ringer, and I

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Speaker 2: want to do something about the twenty sixteen the like

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Speaker 2: us for twenty sixteen? And he knew Dan Feiffer too,

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Speaker 2: and he was like, maybe you and Dan can do

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Speaker 2: then he's like I could do two times a week,

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Speaker 2: said let's let's do it, and so then we started

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Speaker 2: doing it at the Ringer. And then when Trump won,

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Speaker 2: we told Bill like, look, I think we want to

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Speaker 2: build something even bigger than just Pods of America. And

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Speaker 2: all the time it was called keeping at sixteen hundred.

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Speaker 2: We want to do something even bigger, and it's weird

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Speaker 2: of the Ringer. So we're going to go on our own.

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Speaker 2: And that's what we did.

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Speaker 1: Wow, and did you I mean you guys are still

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Speaker 1: doing early on side gigs and oh you're a hedging

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Speaker 3: I lived in San Francisco. I was commuting down, crashing

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Speaker 2: We had a company together, we had we were we

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Speaker 1: Firm, consulting, full fledged consulting strategies.

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Speaker 2: We just we did speech.

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Speaker 3: But like, yeah, but people in my life, when you know,

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Speaker 3: look going your wife and saying honey, I want to

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Speaker 2: That's a tough She wasn't totally surprised.

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Speaker 3: But not surprised, not sold. Wonderful person, supportive Partnerleven came

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Speaker 1: That will be a good clip. We'll get that up,

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Speaker 1: so I think we may lead with that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Yes, but yeah, I mean I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: you've got like a fallback, right, we do?

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Speaker 1: Was it? But you know, you just you were all in.

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Speaker 2: You just knew it was gonna Yeah. Once we started Crooked,

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Speaker 2: I think we got tick of writing speeches for we

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Speaker 2: some really great clients. You also like end up working

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Speaker 1: Corporate stuff too. Yeah, that stuff its CEOs.

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Speaker 2: It is hard after you've been in politics to get

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Speaker 2: and we're like, it's not that I won't tell you

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Speaker 3: I also had this sort of weird I don't know

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Speaker 3: things I did with my friend and get a real job, right.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why I thought that. And then throughout

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Speaker 1: So where else? I mean, it's interesting, just as you

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Speaker 1: Where else, what are you? What's your what is your

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Speaker 1: media habit. Are you cable folks, or you go home

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Speaker 1: turn on Rachel Mattaw on Monday and wonder when she's

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Speaker 2: I never do cable anymore? I wake up, I read playbook,

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Speaker 3: You similar similar stuff. But I'm a sicko like you,

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Speaker 3: Like we only have Fox on in our office because

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Speaker 2: You make a lot of appearances we do. Now the

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Speaker 3: A character and you're like it was a character, but.

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Speaker 1: You're so you were actually you're so you're you indulge,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I listened to like I try to listen to Tucker,

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Speaker 3: They're just like Tucker. Carlson is a very Look, I

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Speaker 3: I'm like, this is the most fishing I've ever heard of.

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Speaker 1: You go in a studio and if you didn't think

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Speaker 1: that was interesting, you just look at all the memorability. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and the stories. There's a hinge and he explains what

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Speaker 1: and there's all kinds of other things. I got and

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Speaker 1: I got it. By the way, for the record, for

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Speaker 1: the ten reporters that have already called, have you registered

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Speaker 2: it too. And then we also want to be honest

441
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Speaker 2: so that when you know, Democrats fuck up or do

442
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Speaker 2: something that we disagree with, that we can say it

443
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Speaker 2: and say it respectfully.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, when did you guys? I mean, it's obviously

445
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Speaker 1: we talked. I mean, it's obvious to anyone who listens

446
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Speaker 1: to you, guys, But it's it's not just a podcast

447
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Speaker 1: in a nutritional sense. You've kind of, to your point,

448
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Speaker 1: sort of built a movement book itself. Was about democracy,

449
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Speaker 1: is about civic engagement. You lead with action, not just

450
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Speaker 1: complaints and gripes. You talk about what people can do

451
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Speaker 1: to get mobilized organized. But one of the things that's

452
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Speaker 1: really been remarkable to watch is how successful you've been

453
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Speaker 1: on the road in building out events. Was that always

454
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Speaker 1: part of the original theory of the case was that

455
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Speaker 1: sort of table stakes in twenty seventeen said yeah, and

456
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Speaker 1: we'll do this, and we're gonna do big events.

457
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Speaker 2: We didn't think any would show out.

458
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Speaker 3: No, we had this amazing agent named Kevin Shivers who

459
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Speaker 3: worked at wm UH now is at hobout the name Katy. Sorry,

460
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Speaker 3: now is it? We have this amazing agent Kevin Shivers

461
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Speaker 3: at w ME now was with Kasey Wasserman who was like,

462
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Speaker 3: trust me, let me build this touring thing for you.

463
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Speaker 3: I promise you it'll work. And we're like, okay, buddy.

464
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Speaker 3: You know, And the first time we did an event,

465
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Speaker 3: uh there were like folding chairs and we didn't realize

466
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Speaker 3: that we had to end the event and love it

467
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Speaker 3: had to run off at like hour three to go

468
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Speaker 3: pee and was taking questions about light rail.

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Speaker 1: Show and we're definitely talking about the same yeah, and like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we slowly evolved and kind of figured it out.

471
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Speaker 3: But what we noticed over time is that a lot

472
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Speaker 3: often the best shows were in red states because it

473
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Speaker 3: turned into this like little revival.

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Speaker 1: Get it, totally get it. I was just in South

475
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Speaker 1: Carolina and did seven nine's and to say every time

476
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Speaker 1: I'm in a red state could be Alabama, Mississippi was

477
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Speaker 1: out there for Biden specifically going to the Red states

478
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Speaker 1: on his bath intentionally not going to the Blue states,

479
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Speaker 1: and and everyone, I mean the state of mind there

480
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Speaker 1: is just more of gratitude, thank you for showing up exactly,

481
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Speaker 1: thank you for not turning your back. Arkansas was the

482
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Speaker 1: same way, and so I'm not surprised to hear that.

483
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Speaker 1: It didn't surprise me, even with Bernie on the tour

484
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Speaker 1: saying well, you're part in red rural parts of California

485
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Speaker 1: or red parts of the status of course, yeah, I

486
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Speaker 1: mean that's you're gonna get that.

487
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Speaker 2: Energy well, because there's still you know, twenty thirty percent

488
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Speaker 2: of those red areas are still Democrats, and those Democrats

489
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Speaker 2: are starved, starve for someone. But I also think that,

490
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Speaker 2: I mean, what I've really loved about the touring is

491
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Speaker 2: just you spend too much time in a studio with

492
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Speaker 2: just the just your co hosts, and you do lose

493
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Speaker 2: you like, what are people talking about? What's interesting? Well,

494
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Speaker 2: you don't get that just by like looking online and

495
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Speaker 2: looking on Twitter and just being around people, Like I

496
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Speaker 2: get energy from that. And then when we go and

497
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Speaker 2: do campaign stuff before like midterms, and we go do

498
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Speaker 2: you know, we knock on doors and do canvassing, and

499
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Speaker 2: just like getting to meet people and talk to them,

500
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Speaker 2: it does inspire you because you're like, Okay, all is

501
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Speaker 2: not lost there's a lot of good people out there

502
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Speaker 2: who care about this shit, and and you know, they

503
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Speaker 2: just want to know what to do.

504
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Speaker 3: And Trump treats it like he treats going to events

505
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Speaker 3: like he's a comic on the road, tries out new material,

506
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Speaker 3: he sees what plays, he comments back to them about

507
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Speaker 3: how it's playing in real time, and he like he

508
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Speaker 3: focus groups everything he does in the.

509
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Speaker 1: Sense it's interesting you say that because the whole Newski

510
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Speaker 1: calls me newscum and he goes audience loves it, audience

511
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Speaker 1: loves it. And it's just it's just like he's I mean,

512
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Speaker 1: he says, so it's an applause, so he's like, hey, man,

513
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Speaker 1: I guts, I gotta go. You know, they gotta go.

514
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Speaker 1: It's my base, it's my base. Nothing. It's a way

515
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Speaker 1: of him saying nothing personal, like really, okay, Jesus man.

516
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Speaker 1: But it's interesting, just I reflect on what you guys

517
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Speaker 1: are doing. Reflects. Going back to Charlie Kirk and turning

518
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Speaker 1: point obviously this weekend, and there was a sort of

519
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Speaker 1: turning point relates to the Epstein stuff. We've danced around

520
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Speaker 1: that a little bit and watching Megan Kelly, who's like,

521
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Speaker 1: I think gone full mega. She's always danced around, but

522
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Speaker 1: it's now fully in. Yeah, and uh and Charlie and

523
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Speaker 1: of course Bannon and the Who's who? Uh, just the

524
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Speaker 1: teen off. But before we get into Epstein, I mean,

525
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Speaker 1: what do you what do you think of what Kirk

526
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Speaker 1: is doing and how he's doing it and are there

527
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Speaker 1: their accues or are there lessons? Are there concerns there

528
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Speaker 1: should be, you know, cautionary flags for Democrats should we

529
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Speaker 1: be doing some of similar things. But from the prism

530
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Speaker 1: of progressive politics, what's your sort of over under on

531
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Speaker 1: what what they've put together.

532
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Speaker 3: I think it's really smart and strategic. I thought it

533
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Speaker 3: was interesting, just if for present day. I thought it

534
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Speaker 3: was interesting that they allowed so much space for conversation

535
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Speaker 3: about Epstein because like Charlie like to a large extent,

536
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Speaker 3: I think, kind of trades his his credibility for a

537
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Speaker 3: seat at the table right like he will be on

538
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Speaker 3: Team Trump eventually. But he felt the need to let

539
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Speaker 3: some air out of that balloon. And it was notable

540
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Speaker 3: and not something the Democrats always do. I think we

541
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Speaker 3: sometimes suppress it arguments and we should do more.

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Speaker 2: What they did it interesting.

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Speaker 3: I will say what he's built is super impressive. It

544
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Speaker 3: did help that he got a ton of like big

545
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Speaker 3: donor and fossil fuel money early on because they were

546
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Speaker 3: kind of worried about libs on campus. And I think

547
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Speaker 3: we need to think about long term infrastructure and party

548
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Speaker 3: building like that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, one thing that Charlie Kirk also did that

550
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Speaker 2: was probably smart, as he goes to these campuses and

551
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Speaker 2: finds libs to debate, yeah, and is not afraid to debate.

552
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Speaker 2: And I think we are. There's enough of us now

553
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Speaker 2: sort of turning the corner on that in the Democratic Party.

554
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Speaker 2: But for a long time it was don't go on Fox.

555
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Speaker 2: There's no use in debating these people. And I get

556
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Speaker 2: the reasons for that, but it's also like, if you

557
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Speaker 2: can't defend your ideas live in front of another person

558
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Speaker 2: who you disagree with and who may be crazy extreme,

559
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Speaker 2: but you disagree with them, they've got an audience and

560
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Speaker 2: people are paying attention. And if you're one of the

561
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Speaker 2: you know, the majority of people who don't pay close

562
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Speaker 2: attention to politics in this country, right, then when you

563
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Speaker 2: hear one person's message, and even if there's filled with

564
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Speaker 2: lies and all kinds of extreme stuff, and you just

565
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Speaker 2: hear the other side is just talking on themselves like

566
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Speaker 2: you're just naturally gonna say, well, I don't know. At

567
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Speaker 2: least they're at least they're showing up. At least they're debating.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to me too. And we'll circle back circuitously

569
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Speaker 1: a little bit to Epstein. But I did when I

570
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Speaker 1: did that first podcast with Charlie Kirk. First of all,

571
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Speaker 1: he was great enough to come into the studio and

572
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Speaker 1: do the first one, and I made a comment that

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Speaker 1: got a lot of blowback, including at home, because my son,

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Speaker 1: quite literally eleven year old, was actually heard the night

575
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Speaker 1: before and woke me up early say are you seriously

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Speaker 1: meeting with Charlie Kirk. I'm not going to school, you're

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Speaker 1: taking me with you. I'm like, I thought it was

578
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Speaker 1: a joke the night before. I thought he was just

579
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Speaker 1: playing with me. But it's on his he doesn't have

580
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Speaker 1: a we don't have a phone, he doesn't have any TikTok.

581
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Speaker 1: It's just the YouTube that's on his school tablet. And

582
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Speaker 1: it was wired in this space. And here's where I'm going,

583
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: a space where I started knowing, you know, he starts

584
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Speaker 1: talking to me about Jordan Peterson. He says, hey, Dad,

585
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Speaker 1: I don't know Andrew Tate. You know, I think they

586
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Speaker 1: were misrepresented. You know, they're not as bad as you think.

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Speaker 1: You know, Andrew Tate's coming to California. He just said

588
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Speaker 1: something bad about you. You're gonna respond, you know, and

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Speaker 1: you know he's got I mean, and I'm like, what happened?

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Speaker 3: Eleven year old?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

592
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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: How do you know about Andrew Tate? What's this Jordan

594
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Speaker 1: Peterson stuff? And how do you know about Charlie Kirk?

595
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Speaker 1: And I started talking to his friends the same thing,

596
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Speaker 1: and he started getting it through just frankly, just game stuff.

597
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Speaker 1: He wanted to watch YouTube games. He started you know,

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Speaker 1: he's eleven now, now he's older, but he's twelve, but

599
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Speaker 1: he's you know, he's trying to get in shape now.

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Speaker 1: And so it's like body stuff. And this whole quote

601
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Speaker 1: unquote it's overused or missy us or even mislabeled, but

602
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: this mano sphere, there's sort of space which then gets

603
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: to Epstein, gets to these conspiracies, gets to these darker

604
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Speaker 1: pizza gate places, and gets to where we are today

605
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Speaker 1: in our politics. And what's I mean? You guys, you've

606
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Speaker 1: been you've been part of this ecosystem broadly defined but

607
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: what do you make of these subcultures and how serious

608
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Speaker 1: those algorithms are and what that means to our body politic.

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Speaker 3: I think they're really serious. I mean, like there's schools

610
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Speaker 3: and school districts, and I think the UK and Australia

611
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Speaker 3: that developed entire curriculums to combat Andrew Tate Like it's

612
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Speaker 3: a real crisis in a lot of places. He's incredibly

613
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Speaker 3: what was it twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen is the

614
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Speaker 3: most google person in the world or something like that, right,

615
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Speaker 3: So that's real dangerous. I do think one thing someone

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Speaker 3: pointed out to me that really stuck with me is

617
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Speaker 3: a lot of the kind of pipeline to conservative influencer

618
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 3: spaces are through self improvement. It's like dating advice, crypto

619
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Speaker 3: get rich, how to get jacked, and we're like, there's

620
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Speaker 3: not that wellness. I know you talked a lot about

621
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Speaker 3: RFK and sort of your relationship with him, and you know,

622
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Speaker 3: that's the thing I hear more than anything else from

623
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Speaker 3: people in California. And also, you know, my wife and

624
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Speaker 3: I had a bunch of fertility challenges and then now

625
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Speaker 3: we have small kids, so there's sort of a pregnancy

626
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Speaker 3: or small kid algorithmic coroll right, that gets you lots

627
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Speaker 3: of stuff that takes you to anti vax or takes

628
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Speaker 3: you to Jordan Peterson saying, you know, women are objects,

629
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Speaker 3: all right, and it's it's incredibly dangerous.

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Speaker 2: I think two big trends. One is there's a crisis

631
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Speaker 2: of trust in this country, and there's we're probably distrust

632
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: in almost every institution, government, media, business, and some of

633
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: that is just the actual you know, economic statistics, right,

634
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Speaker 2: and there's inequality and there's a whole bunch of other

635
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Speaker 2: things around that. And then there is a a crisis masculinity.

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Speaker 2: And I think I'm actually interviewing Ruth Whitman for Offline

637
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Speaker 2: Tomorrow who wrote boy Mom, and my wife was reading

638
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Speaker 2: Boy Mom first and then I read it, and her

639
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Speaker 2: whole point is that, like she doesn't want to call

640
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: it toxic masculinity, matter, it's impossible masculinity because it's a

641
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Speaker 2: standard that it's impossible for boys to live up to

642
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: now because you're either funneled into like you've got to

643
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Speaker 2: be super tough and alpha and get strong or if

644
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Speaker 2: you go but also you're supposed to be tender and

645
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be emotionally available to But if you

646
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: do that, then you're not masculine, right, and so you like,

647
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Speaker 2: these boys are growing up stuck in between, and they're

648
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Speaker 2: becoming lonely, and they have less confidence in themselves and

649
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: they have less confidence in trying to, you know, talk

650
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Speaker 2: to girls. And it's easier to stay home and be

651
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Speaker 2: online by yourself because there's less friction when you don't

652
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Speaker 2: have to actually build relationships and go through the awkward

653
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Speaker 2: phases of conversation and making a connection with someone. You

654
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Speaker 2: can just be home, talk to people online, watch porn online,

655
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Speaker 2: and like be lonely. And it's hurting a lot of

656
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Speaker 2: young men.

657
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Speaker 1: It's hurt It seems to have hurt our party too,

658
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: because it's been politicized and weaponized a bit against us.

659
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: Trump was seemed to be very in tune and in

660
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Speaker 1: touch with and back to this notion of manosphere. But

661
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: around the US give masculinity, and that's sort of pushback

662
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: against quote unquote toxic masculinity and how that was used

663
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Speaker 1: as a weapon to sort of tear down men understandably

664
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Speaker 1: coming out of me too and everything else. But where's

665
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Speaker 1: where do you see our party? The Democratic Party? Because

666
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: you see these trend lines they're now becoming headlines. It's

667
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: suicide rates that are off the charts, it's educational attainment

668
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: where women are dominating over men, the crisis of you know,

669
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Speaker 1: not just loneliness, but deaths of despair, overdose rates. I mean,

670
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: in every category, boys and men are struggling. Where do

671
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Speaker 1: you see the Democratic Party in relationship to that conversation?

672
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Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to me an easy conversation for a

673
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: lot of Democrats because they still see men in disproportionate

674
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Speaker 1: positions of power and influence, men still getting paid more

675
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Speaker 1: than women, and until that's equalized, they may not necessarily

676
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Speaker 1: want to have the conversation about what's mine underneath.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I I was THEO Vaughn

678
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Speaker 3: or somebody talking about this, who's a comedian sort of

679
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: in the so called manosphere, So we need a better

680
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: term for it, right. He's like a very popular comedian

681
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: and podcaster who was talking maybe with Bernie about the

682
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Speaker 3: way he and some friends of his community sort of

683
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Speaker 3: reacted to being told they had that male privilege or

684
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Speaker 3: white privilege, and he felt like, well, I'm sort of

685
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Speaker 3: like dead broke. So that may exist in the world,

686
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Speaker 3: and it's not me, and I think it closed off

687
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Speaker 3: a conversation rather than opening it right. So there's a

688
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Speaker 3: part of it that's like just messaging and how you

689
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: talk about these things. I think if you're if you

690
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Speaker 3: frame it the right way, people.

691
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Speaker 2: Will listen to you.

692
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Speaker 3: And also, you know, you talked about this with with Sean,

693
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 3: like Trump is so malleable, like he's for the thing

694
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Speaker 3: that's happening, right, So he was against crypto and then

695
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: a bunch of you read the New York Times, they

696
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: had a big piece on how he was lobbying lobbied.

697
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: A bunch of them came to him and were like,

698
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Speaker 3: we can make you a shitload of money and get

699
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Speaker 3: you a ton of contributions for a super pack or whatever.

700
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Speaker 3: And he was like, sign me up, right, And that

701
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Speaker 3: is you know, making him hundreds of millions of dollars,

702
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Speaker 3: if not billions of dollars. But also there's a lot

703
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 3: of men who think of crypto as an opportunity to

704
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Speaker 3: catch back off in an economy where they feel left

705
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Speaker 3: behind by economic inequality and all the things that are

706
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Speaker 3: bad about capitalism. And like, I'm not saying that we

707
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: should be super for crypto for that reason, because I

708
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: think a lot of people get scammed and people get hurt.

709
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: But it's like, how do you not sound like work? Like,

710
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: like you're gonna poke your eye with that thing to

711
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: everybody right like, and we're scolding them.

712
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Speaker 2: I think the other challenge is we have to do

713
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Speaker 2: more showing and less telling, and just more setting an

714
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Speaker 2: example for young men as opposed to like when you

715
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: see the Republicans and they're like joke around and having fun,

716
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: and then you hear the Democrats, and the Democrats are like,

717
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: we have commissioned to study, and we will find the

718
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: young men in the wild, and we will approach that

719
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Speaker 2: do not cancel the young men when you see him

720
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Speaker 2: in the wild. It's like, it's just really because it's

721
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: just like how we are. We analyze everything, and it's

722
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Speaker 2: like just fucking be a normal person. Just just be yourself,

723
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: you know. But the other big thing that happened is,

724
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Speaker 2: of course the pandemic. And you're seeing this in within

725
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Speaker 2: gen Z, Like there's two gen Z cohorts now and

726
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Speaker 2: the ones who were graduated when the pandemic hit are

727
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: still pretty democratic. Even the men and the ones who

728
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Speaker 2: were in high school or in college when the pandemic

729
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: hit the gap between how the men voted and the

730
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Speaker 2: women is the biggest of any generation, any other generation,

731
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Speaker 2: and so those and I don't know. I mean, I'm

732
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Speaker 2: hoping because I have a five year old and it's

733
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Speaker 2: almost two year old, and I'm hoping that you know

734
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: now that we haven't a generation below them that didn't

735
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Speaker 2: grow up in the middle of the pandemic, that it

736
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: could be a little bit better. But that's still a

737
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Speaker 2: whole generation of kids who dealt with the pandemic who

738
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Speaker 2: I think are and we don't talk about it. I mean,

739
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: you were. We don't talk about it because no one

740
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Speaker 2: wants to. No one wants to because it's a little

741
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Speaker 2: PTSD and no one wants to go back to that.

742
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Speaker 2: But that really fucked people up. How especially in your

743
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Speaker 2: formative years.

744
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 3: How did you guys deal with being at home? You're

745
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: the governor of a state and you have four kids.

746
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: Well, I have four kids. I had four hundred protesters

747
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: and drones ahead overhead and people with bullhorns waking the

748
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Speaker 1: kids up at night.

749
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Speaker 2: That was an extra wrinkle.

750
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Speaker 1: It's a little extra wrinkle. I mean, I had a

751
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Speaker 1: little duchy who didn't know any better with his nerf guns,

752
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: going up there and acting like he's a little member

753
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Speaker 1: of the military and hiding out and looking at people

754
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: and I'm like, brother, you're actually gonna get shot because

755
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Speaker 1: someone's gonna believe that's a gun. Try and explain that

756
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Speaker 1: to a six seven year old. Uh, and having ways

757
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Speaker 1: of getting out of the house where we had to

758
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Speaker 1: sneak out the back for it seemed like a couple

759
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Speaker 1: of years. And it ended up with my oldest daughter

760
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Speaker 1: and being homeschooled because of what was happening in the

761
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Speaker 1: class when we did come back, and uh, and just

762
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: getting bullied and hit and so, I mean it is Look,

763
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the biggest I think we have

764
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Speaker 1: an obligation. We have an obligation to have an honest, thoughtful,

765
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: reflective analysis, not least of which from a policy perspective,

766
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: but we have to for our own sanity in terms

767
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: of our own person that trauma everybody went through and

768
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Speaker 1: we're all suppressing that and people are acting like, oh, yeah,

769
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Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about no. Yeah, well it's good. Okay, yeah,

770
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: I mean just what who Yeah, no, good, it's good.

771
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: And so I mean it's just a people went through.

772
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was social unrest. It wasn't just a pandemic,

773
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: it was everything happened on the streets and sidewalks. You

774
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: talk about the National Guard. I had the second largest

775
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: deployment in US history during that time of social unrest,

776
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: after George Floyd here in California. And then obviously all

777
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: the supply chain issues and the inflationary scars and wars,

778
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: and now Trump again. I mean, it's it's been a

779
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: hell of a time. So we got to unpack all that.

780
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: But look, I want to unpack just a few other

781
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: things with you guys, as I've got your time, as

782
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: we figure out these algorithms, as we figure out how

783
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: we're all living together online but feeling more and more

784
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: isolated alone. But I need to understand was Trump on

785
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: the Epstein list or not? I need to know from

786
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: the two of you, was Trump on the damn list?

787
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: I think he is worried that he is somewhere in

788
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: the files, so like, I don't even know if there's

789
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: a list, Like I'm willing to believe that there's just

790
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: no list, But there's clearly tons and tons of documents

791
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: that the DJ has, and he has now because he's

792
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: gone through a criminal trial and been charged a couple

793
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 2: other times. He knows and ran the Justice Department once before.

794
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: He knows that there are plenty of court filings and

795
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 2: documents that have all kinds of information in it, and

796
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: you know, the standard to put something in an indictment

797
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: is obviously not the same. So I'm sure he is

798
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: concerned that, yeah, maybe he's not on a list as

799
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: a client whatever, but he's somewhere in there and it

800
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: could be embarrassing.

801
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: And so he told Pam Bondy, do not really stifle

802
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: this that I don't know? Yeah, well, Pam Bondy independent,

803
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: how in the hell do you not know that you

804
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: seriously think Pam decided on her own as an individual

805
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: source for the ag miss presidents want to let you know,

806
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: here's my decision. I won't be reduced to eliminated or

807
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: give me a damn break.

808
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 3: Come on, man, I'm my theory. And this has always

809
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: been the conspiracy's hiding and plain sight. This guy was

810
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: a rich, powerful creep with rich, powerful friends, and he

811
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 3: used those associations to get this sweetheart deal from Alex Acosta,

812
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: who was then the US Attorney in Florida, became the

813
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 3: Secretary of Labor UH that include a non prosecution agreement.

814
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Speaker 1: So Arry Labor under Donald Trunder Donald Trump with Pambondi

815
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Speaker 1: as the ag of Flora. I'm now getting down my

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Speaker 1: oundin that is that's I'm just saying that's a thread.

817
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Speaker 3: But so now, But but you're right, like, look, I'm

818
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 3: like not a very I'm very not conspiracy minded because

819
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: having worked in government, you see.

820
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: That, well you were suppressing all the UFOs. Yeah, that

821
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: and all the guys had to write speech is suppressing.

822
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Speaker 2: Tom I also did Ben Gazi.

823
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Speaker 3: I did being Gazhi and Ghazi and Gazi.

824
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Speaker 1: But also no one can keep a.

825
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Speaker 3: Secret, you know what I mean, Like, no one we

826
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Speaker 3: could suck up a one car parade in the US

827
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Speaker 3: government at times, like there's no way.

828
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Speaker 1: You can, Like you got a secret about chemtrails? Why

829
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: why have you done that?

830
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 3: Well, but to your point, like there was a document

831
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Speaker 3: that came out this week because of a House investigation

832
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: into the jfk assassination where we learned that the CIA

833
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: has been lying about having an agent in South Florida

834
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 3: who was like running this group of anti Castro students.

835
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Speaker 3: They've been lying about it for sixty years. They lied

836
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: about it and to the Warrant Commission. They lied about

837
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Speaker 3: it to the House Investigative Committee. They lied it in

838
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 3: the nineties to a committee on assassinations. And you see

839
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Speaker 3: stuff like that, and you're like, And also they named

840
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Speaker 3: the dude who is running those guys in Florida to

841
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Speaker 3: be the congressional liaison to stifle the investigation in the seventies,

842
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 3: and you're like, okay, all right, so try to guess

843
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 3: a skepticism. Yeah.

844
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Speaker 1: So now now you guys are lying to us about UFOs,

845
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: and you had conversations with Obama.

846
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: Tell the truth, I want to say, UFOs. If they're

847
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: I wish we were more to know about UFOs.

848
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Speaker 1: You must have had conversations. Tell me you were saying

849
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Speaker 1: you were sitting there. You guys are lax. Second term

850
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Speaker 1: everybody won a couple of martinis and you're sitting there

851
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: and you go, come on, come on to the big boss.

852
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: Tell the truth. Man, what have you seen?

853
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Speaker 2: I had never been that in UFOs, but I wish

854
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: I had. If they were more, wouldn't Donald Trump have

855
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: said something? He would not be able to shut his

856
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: mouth about UFOs the first we would have gotten something

857
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: from Donald Trump like Obama. Now Obama trust I really

858
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Speaker 2: don't know I trust you.

859
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Speaker 3: But this is I think the thing I thing people

860
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 3: think out there about like classified information, which is if

861
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 3: you have like a top secret clearance, then you can

862
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 3: just go into like the secrets library and kind of

863
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 3: leaf through and like, I don't really think there's a

864
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 3: deep state per se, but there are career people and

865
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of inertia, and they're like not given

866
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Speaker 3: goobers like me access to the good stuff.

867
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Speaker 2: I had top secret clearance, I had never looked at

868
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Speaker 2: any classic information. It's like I got edits back from

869
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Speaker 2: the C I, A and D O D on speeches

870
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Speaker 2: and they would sometimes just like like cross things out

871
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: with no explanation. I guess I just have to take that,

872
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: but they cross out.

873
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: This is your book.

874
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 2: Here, like what is happening.

875
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 3: But then the cool thing that would happen was there

876
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 3: would be a cris we just do that on signal

877
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 3: and then in the crisis, like something would happen and

878
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 3: you'd go to a meeting and they'd be like we

879
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: know this this and this through this means, and you're like,

880
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: holy shit, we could do some stuff. So that's how

881
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 3: it would kind of come out, all right.

882
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: So let's talk about what else came about this morning

883
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. As we do this pod this morning, Trump

884
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: allegedly talked to the delegation out of Texas and said,

885
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: not just smerdis, I'm saying, find me twelve thousand or

886
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: so votes in Georgia. I need five Republican additional congressional representatives.

887
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: We need to redistrict Texas. How serious a concern is

888
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: that for you in terms of the midtermst.

889
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: I think it's a serious concern. I think that they

890
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: also run the risk if they redraw the maps that

891
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: if there's a big wave, that basically they're asking some

892
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: Republicans to take on more Democratic voters in some districts,

893
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: so it could backfire. It's crazy that they're and the

894
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 2: way Trump talked about it when he was asked today,

895
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, it's just picking up five seats.

896
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: Just want to I'm just picking up five seats, like

897
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: he's just grabbing groceries. And then he also said he's

898
00:42:58,640 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: like in some other red states, maybe.

899
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: We'll race too. Well, maybe we'll do it here in

900
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: California as well.

901
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about that, because challenge is.

902
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: This little constitutional problem.

903
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know, it's what do you have to

904
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a big majority in the legislature, legislature.

905
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: There's ideas, we have, ideas, we have ideas. I mean,

906
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: the fact is you have I mean, let me ask

907
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: you this. I actually saw one of the few Democrats

908
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: back in the day when we created the independent re

909
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: District Commission, which I think personally I think should be

910
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: the case in every state. This is ridiculous. This jere

911
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: mannering is outrageous. I don't like it on either side,

912
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: and so I supported that. I remember doing that. I

913
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: was mayor of Sarranco at the time when that initiative

914
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: went forward. I think under Schwarzenegger, who was promoting at

915
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 1: the time was the governor, and I got a lot

916
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: agree from my own party for support it, which was interesting.

917
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: But I think it's the right thing to do. That said,

918
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: if these guys are playing by totally different set of

919
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: rules in democracies, in the ballance, which you can start

920
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: to go down, that it's not even a rabbit hole.

921
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: And argue may be the case if we're not able

922
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: to get some system of checks and balances into years,

923
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: particularly going into the twenty twenty eight election, where they

924
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: can wire a lot of things from that position of

925
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: power and influence. Is it right for me to explore

926
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: it's a question for you guys. Is it appropriate for

927
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: the governor of California and explore potential alternatives?

928
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: It's absolutely appropriate, like to the extent that you can

929
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: find a legal avenue to do it. Yeah, I mean,

930
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 2: but I mean, you know the John Lewis Voting Rights Act, right,

931
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: that was going to create a national independent redistrict or anything,

932
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: and I think it's either national or not at this point. Yeah,

933
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: that's how I am. Like, I am also for it nationally,

934
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 2: but we're not. It's it's just like you know, the

935
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Speaker 2: the results of Citizens United right, which is like we

936
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Speaker 2: can't unilaterally disarm in the face of them, you know,

937
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: the these weaknesses in the.

938
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Speaker 3: System that I absolutely but like kind of the like

939
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: stuffy headed question is it's not like a moral question,

940
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 3: but it's a question of yes, of course, we can't

941
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Speaker 3: eunil o our disarmed, and I agree with you and

942
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Speaker 3: I don't think we should. But there is a more

943
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 3: nuanced question of like what is the upside and value

944
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: of presenting a message to voters that were actually better?

945
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, and it can be like

946
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: we don't take packer lobbyist money. We believe in principle,

947
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 3: like we wouldn't do this redistricting thing because it's wrong.

948
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not agreeing with the things I'm saying

949
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: right now. I think like we have to win, right.

950
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Speaker 1: You're very persuasions. I mean, I'm feeling very guilty right now.

951
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 3: But there is a question like we need like a

952
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: reform agenda.

953
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: What is that? No, I'm with you, man, No, it's

954
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: the worst part. You don't want to become them. I mean,

955
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: they win if you become them, and they shouldn't implicate

956
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: us into their just mischievous and and illegal ways and

957
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: or in moral ways. I mean, it's this is hardly illegal.

958
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Speaker 2: Now.

959
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: The question for California, in terms of Texas, they have

960
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: more latitude in California. It's interesting you go back, you

961
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: can do a special election, So we can go back

962
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: and do that and change the state constitution that created this,

963
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: or we'd have to move immediately to do two thirds

964
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Speaker 1: of legislature do it, or I call it special election,

965
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: and then you'd spend hundreds of millions of dollars both

966
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: side weaponized. It would be one of the you know,

967
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: it'd be a big side show for thing going on.

968
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: It would absorb a lot of resources literally and figuratively.

969
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: Or there are some other theories of the case, and

970
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: that's what we're also exploring that it relates to the

971
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: Independent Redistricting Commission. It states in the Constitution explicitly that

972
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: every census they will do one redistrict doesn't say what

973
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: happens in between, and the legislature is then afforded some

974
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: latitude in between. And that's a legal theory that a

975
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: lot of legal scholars have advanced and full disclosure we're

976
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: looking at now. I'm looking at it in the spirit

977
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: sort of the stoics of you know, not becoming your enemy,

978
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: mindful that I rather maintain the higher ground. It's a

979
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: moral authority, not just formal authority. But when I look

980
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: at the ground that these guys are leveling, and the

981
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,479
Speaker 1: core tenants of our democracy, our republic being literally taken

982
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: down in real time, be in peril of being judged

983
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: not to have lived. If I don't at least explore

984
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: an alternative to save our country. Why I feel I

985
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: know it's a little romantic or a little over beloviating,

986
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: but I feel that way. I mean, if these guys

987
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: are literally going to rig to facto the outcome in

988
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: November next year, I can't just sit back passively, can

989
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: we Look.

990
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: I think the way you are framing it and started

991
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: to frame it as we first started talking about this,

992
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: which is, if you had your way, there'd be independent

993
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: redistrict all across the country, and that is not the

994
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: reality we live in right now, and now before the midterms,

995
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: they're trying to just pick up five seats, like that's

996
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: just a reality that we're dealing with.

997
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: And Concentis is talking about doing He says, well, we

998
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: had an extra.

999
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: One there, we gave up and they and they moved

1000
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 2: first on this. And I think if you were talking

1001
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: to again, it's just a normal person who doesn't pay

1002
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 2: attention to politics closely and asked you about it, and

1003
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: you explained it that way, I think people would understand that.

1004
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: I think people be like, well, yeah, it's politics, it's competitive,

1005
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: and you're just you're not going to be able to

1006
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: like just sit down and take it because you like

1007
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 2: didn't want to dirty your hands on it. And you'd

1008
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: be like, look, it's a shitty solution. It's not the

1009
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: way I want to do it. But like the alternative

1010
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: is that they just redistrict everywhere they're in control and

1011
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: just steal a bunch of house seats and pick their

1012
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: voters everywhere.

1013
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not that, it's the consequences of that

1014
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: that are pretty outside. You talk about your two kids,

1015
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: your two kids, my four kids. I mean, this is

1016
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: what kind of world do you want to live in?

1017
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: I mean we're already seeing do you guys? Are are

1018
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: you forgive me? Sort of moving slightly off topic, but

1019
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: is this shock and a shock even you? Are you

1020
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: in awe of how much this guy has done in

1021
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: the first six months, the damage he's done, how aggressive

1022
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: he's been. Yeah, I mean.

1023
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 3: I knew there would be horrible things. I knew that. Look,

1024
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: people held up nass deportations now signs at rallies, right

1025
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 3: like that that part shouldn't have been a surprise. Sweeping

1026
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: up at random seemingly Venezuelan men in sending them to

1027
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 3: a transnational gulag in Al Salvador where they're being tortured

1028
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 3: is shocking. Shocking to me. I think it shocks the conscience.

1029
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 2: I am constantly testing myself on making sure that I

1030
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 2: am not trying to exaggerate the threat and cry wolf,

1031
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: because I do worry that maybe even in the first term,

1032
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: the first Trump term, Like I look back on some

1033
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: of the things that I said then and thought then,

1034
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: and I was like, did we reduce our effectiveness by

1035
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: taking everything to an eleven? And now I really do believe,

1036
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: like especially around immigration, I mean that stuff. And look

1037
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: I was after this last election. I was out there saying,

1038
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: you know what, we should have taken the border more seriously,

1039
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: and look, we're Obama people from immigration when Obama would say,

1040
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: we're a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants,

1041
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: and we're going to do deportations, but we're going to

1042
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 2: try to prioritize, prioritize recent arrivals, criminals, people with records,

1043
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 2: and then we're going to try to do something for

1044
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: the people who've been here for decades and are working

1045
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: and you have to get in line, learn English. And

1046
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: I'm like that. I think that's where most Americans still are.

1047
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 2: And the party got away from that. So I was

1048
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 2: very but once he took office and he started doing

1049
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: what he's doing, like it is worse than anything I

1050
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 2: ever thought that sending them to the third countries, especially

1051
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: some of these third countries that are just fucking like,

1052
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: you know, war torn, and they're picking up citizens, picking

1053
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: up you know, people with legal status. It's real, the

1054
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: skin color really scary, or if they're a nearby.

1055
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Speaker 1: Home depot, they are standing adjacent a day laborer at

1056
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: a car wash. I think, you know, I just sort

1057
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 1: of fascinated because as we stand here today, just back

1058
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: to just sort of this normalization, there are five thousand

1059
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: US military in the streets that have been deployed by

1060
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: the president. I say, he hasn't deployed in this first term.

1061
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: He didn't employ any troops, ground troops anywhere in the world.

1062
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: He hasn't employed any other ground troops in the first

1063
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: six months. He's only employed them in the United States

1064
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: to the state of California and here in La which

1065
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: just in and of itself is sort of remarkable and

1066
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: sobering to consider and think about almost a thousand US

1067
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: Marines and federalized four thousand of the National Guard, and

1068
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: people quite literally are being disappeared. And it's not an exaggeration.

1069
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean I've been with I was with a sixteen

1070
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: year old kid, mom and dad disappeared. He didn't even

1071
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: know how to get back in his house. He has

1072
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: no brothers and sisters, you know, barely learning how just

1073
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: do his laundry. They just disappeared twenty plus years going

1074
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: in the same fields in Acknart and disappeared, no contact

1075
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 1: iteration for this kid who was born in Ventura County

1076
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: and was still in school. Well the rate occurred. It's uh,

1077
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: and and how the hell the other party? I think

1078
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: it was one thing for Trump to advance, this is

1079
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: another to see Speaker Johnson and these goddamn guys just

1080
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: completely complicit at this moment, you know, and as you

1081
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Speaker 1: sitting here quoting Bible versus.

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Speaker 2: It's getting pretty If that's worse, it's going to get

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Speaker 2: worse because they they are not getting the three thousand

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Speaker 2: arrested day that they want. And they are also you know,

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Speaker 2: today like I saw news that the I r. S

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Speaker 2: Is going to turn over you know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: information so that they can figure out who's undocumented.

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Speaker 1: And they're trying to take all the state databases. It's crazy,

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Speaker 1: I mean, all of that they're coming. I mean, where

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Speaker 1: that's I mean like all I mean, can you imagine

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Speaker 1: every state that people put you know, with the confidence

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Speaker 1: of state would never turn it over. Of course, we

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Speaker 1: don't want to now being compelled to turn over. So

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Speaker 1: they're going to start cross referencing all of that.

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Speaker 2: The other the other challenge I worry about too, is like,

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Speaker 2: I don't they do this partly because they really want

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Speaker 2: to get rid of all the undocumented immigrants in this

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Speaker 2: country and maybe legal immigrants too, but they also want

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Speaker 2: to spark a backlash from us, Like they want they

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Speaker 2: want us to react, they want us to overreact. And

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Speaker 2: so when there are people in the streets, even if

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Speaker 2: it's like a couple of blocks downtown in La, of

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Speaker 2: course they love that and they want it. So I'm

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Speaker 2: also mindful, like I don't want to say anything that's

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Speaker 2: gonna but then I hear them and like, right before

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Speaker 2: you came in, Steven Miller was on Fox and he

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Speaker 2: was like Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass their rhetoric is

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Speaker 2: they are literally encouraging people to kill ice agents and

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Speaker 2: and Will Caine on Fox just like, I'm like.

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Speaker 1: That is insane to say it is an insane thing.

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Speaker 1: It's insane, it's disgraceful, Like quite the goddamn contrary. Just yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a dangerous. Have empathy for these these damn I mean,

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Speaker 1: come on, I've got these. I just think about our

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Speaker 1: National Guard. These are we had thirty almost three thousand

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Speaker 1: of these guys that were in you in your backyard

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00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: man in LA and people are coming up the biggest

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Speaker 1: problem we were having with so many people coming up

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Speaker 1: doing selfies thanking them for the help during the fires

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Speaker 1: and after the fires and doing the traffic management. These

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Speaker 1: are the same kids that now have being told to

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Speaker 1: put masks on. These are police officers and firefighters. They

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Speaker 1: literally are being taken off the streets. They're paramedics, they're

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Speaker 1: teachers that are supposed to be teaching summer school, and

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Speaker 1: they're being used as pods. So I mean, Stephen Miller,

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Speaker 1: I care about those kids. You don't. You're using them

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Speaker 1: as pods. You're using the military as damn pods.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I've been I know, get I know

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Speaker 3: you get this better than anyone, but like it's so

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Speaker 3: I heard it in your conversation with Sean Ryan, because

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Speaker 3: he's like, I saw the clips on X and it

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00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: looked like hell and those wey mos and like, just

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Speaker 3: explain to people that disconnect from what they saw on

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Speaker 3: social media and the reality of living in Los Angeles. Like,

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Speaker 3: first of all, the city is so scarred from those fires.

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Speaker 3: We're six months ago, and they were absolutely terrifying every

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Speaker 3: Like I'm just imagine your listener, You're going to bed,

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Speaker 3: you have two little kids, and you're like, is my

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Speaker 3: house gonna burn? Am I gonna be able to drive

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Speaker 3: out of here? Like those are the thoughts people were having, right,

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Speaker 3: So six months whatever, A few months later, these communities

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Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, mostly Latino communities, immigrant communities, are being

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Speaker 3: terrorized by these ICE agents wearing masks, throwing people into

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Speaker 3: unmarked cars, not wearing uniforms, and like they're not getting

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Speaker 3: criminals off the street. And my friends are like, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: aren't they horrifying protests?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: No, it's like three blocks downtown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 3: It was completely manageable by the LAPD. They've taken care

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Speaker 3: of bigger messes.

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Speaker 1: And it's sixteen hundred HP and LAPD, I mean sixteen

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Speaker 1: hundred surrounding a couple square blocks. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 1: that it's overwellian. But those guys are putting.

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Speaker 2: Out and I've told people too, like we this is

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Speaker 2: why we had We also have to remember too, for

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Speaker 2: the guard, for the police, even for some ICE agents too, right,

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Speaker 2: Like you can't make them the enemy. No, that's it,

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Speaker 2: because first.

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Speaker 1: Democrats need to be careful about that. That's my point. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean when we say abolish this or abolish that,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're still climbing out of the damn defund

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Speaker 1: police stuff. And you know even you know, we've had

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Speaker 1: some well known Democrats defund ice back in the day.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just I hope we're this is exactly I mean,

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Speaker 1: that truly is what these guys want right now.

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Speaker 2: It's just so easy to be like, we need immigration

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Speaker 2: enforcement in this country. We do, we do. We don't

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Speaker 2: need a fucking secret police that answers to Stephen.

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Speaker 1: Miller, the largest private secret police in the world. Now

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Speaker 1: with the bunny that's coming in from this big, beautiful betrayal. Well,

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Speaker 1: wasn't there.

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Speaker 3: California bill that said that they would have to not

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Speaker 3: wear masks?

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Speaker 1: So back to you guys, asked that that very stubborn

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Speaker 1: question about well, what about the constitution and the law

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Speaker 1: on the issue of redistricting. The question of the constitution

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Speaker 1: of law as it relates to a state right to

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Speaker 1: enforce or determine the enforcement or demand a prescriptive act

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Speaker 1: of a federal agent, meaning can we legally enforce the

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Speaker 1: federal rules around masking? And so it's an open ending question.

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Speaker 1: That said, there is not only a bill to be

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Speaker 1: an amended this week, it will be on my desk

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Speaker 1: very shortly, and based upon how it reads, we're making

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Speaker 1: a lot of amendments. But how could I not sign

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Speaker 1: that just if nothing else to send a message? I mean,

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Speaker 1: no identification, no warrants. I mean, I'm sitting there, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean how many states you got people running around

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Speaker 1: concealed carry I mean if some masked person came up

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Speaker 1: to me tries to throw me in the back of

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Speaker 1: a white van. Yeah, I mean, how in the hell

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Speaker 1: are we not going to have some problems.

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Speaker 2: Which has been happening right, Like there are people who've

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Speaker 2: impersonated ice officers who are trying to assault people, rob people,

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Speaker 2: and it will.

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Speaker 1: Only and you know I mean that, you know that's

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Speaker 1: going to get worse. And so it's a it's not

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Speaker 1: an unfair quest. Like I understand the doc scene, there's

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Speaker 1: there's they always go to these exceptions and they try

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Speaker 1: to prove that as a rule. So there's some ballots anyway. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna there's a federal obviously, the way to

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Speaker 1: solve for this what Corey Booker and a few others.

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Speaker 1: I think Padilla's got a bill with Booker to do

1203
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Speaker 1: it at the federal level. In the absence of that,

1204
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: states are going to have to try to push back

1205
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: and see what we can and test fate in the

1206
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: courts and see what the limits are. But and by

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Speaker 1: the way, we've had wild success in the courts. California

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Speaker 1: has sued more than any other state. I were winning

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Speaker 1: eighty plus percent or at least the preliminary injunctions and

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Speaker 1: winning some of the early decisions, as we did with

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Speaker 1: the one hundred and twenty two lawsuits we had against

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00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: Trump one point zero won the vast majority. So they

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Speaker 1: still the overreach of this administration still is next level,

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Speaker 1: a legendary. Let me ask you guys this in closing,

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Speaker 1: we were you you know, I'm so. I was interesting

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Speaker 1: to hear your former boss a couple of days ago

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Speaker 1: at a fundraiser in New Jersey and he said, you know,

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Speaker 1: Democrats need to step up. I know you guys have

1219
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: been talking about this and we need to be more aggressive,

1220
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Speaker 1: more sertive. But he also implied, you know, let's not

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Speaker 1: look for the guy gall and the white horse to

1222
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Speaker 1: come save the day in twenty twenty eight. Let's get

1223
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: our shit together every day between now and then and

1224
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: not lose sight of what's right in front of us.

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Speaker 1: Give me, you're over under on assessing your former boss's comments,

1226
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 1: the timing of them, the tonality. Yeah, you're on the spot.

1227
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Speaker 1: Don't give me the political answer. Don't be a politician here,

1228
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: and don't even be a pundit. Tell me personally, what's

1229
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: your sort of sense tonally of where the party is

1230
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Speaker 1: as a leader of the party. Barack Obama made this comments.

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Speaker 1: Obviously they've been debated. They resonate with me, how they

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Speaker 1: resonate with you.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think that what's been heartening in the last

1234
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Speaker 3: few months is the way you've seen individuals step up,

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Speaker 3: different Democrats stepping up, right, Like a lot of people

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Speaker 3: have said comments to me like I didn't really like Avenusom,

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Speaker 3: but I like that he's fighting, and I think I

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Speaker 3: might like him now, right, Like Chris van Holland going

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Speaker 3: down del Salvador meeting at Brigo Garcia, like I didn't

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Speaker 3: know I was a big Chris van Holland fan, but

1241
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Speaker 3: now I am right. So people are stepping up in

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Speaker 3: ways big and small. One thing we're working on here

1243
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Speaker 3: Cricket Media is we have a pilot program going where

1244
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Speaker 3: we're trying to encourage our audience that live in Arizona,

1245
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Speaker 3: Texas and North Carolina to run for office at every level, dogcatcher,

1246
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Speaker 3: you know, like school board, everything, because we just don't

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Speaker 3: want any race to go on a post. I think

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Speaker 3: we've got like a thousand people who've tried to sign

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Speaker 3: up so far. So we're just trying to like rally

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Speaker 3: people have people feel like they have agency and they

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Speaker 3: can do something, especially in this moment. I think Obama's

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Speaker 3: comments are right. I think he's also in a tough

1253
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Speaker 3: spot because a lot of people miss him. They feel

1254
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Speaker 3: like he's been absent. They want him to speak out

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Speaker 3: on more things. I think it was especially complicated for

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Speaker 3: him during the Biben administration because there's a bit of

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Speaker 3: a fraught relationship there and there were just you know,

1258
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Speaker 3: some issue was that people probably really wanted to hear

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Speaker 3: Obama on like Gaza, he was just the wrong messenger.

1260
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Speaker 3: Like Joe Biden thinks that he is the Yahoo whisperer

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Speaker 3: and was not going to listen to anybody else on that.

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Speaker 3: So I do think like I would would I love

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Speaker 3: to see Barack Obama out there more. Yes, I think

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Speaker 3: sometimes us political advisors us hacks. I'm looking at John Nayu.

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Speaker 3: We get into mindset where it's like you save your

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01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: powder and you go out two weeks before midterm, and

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Speaker 3: that's how you win an election. And I think what

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump taught us is he did constant Karen feeding

1269
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Speaker 3: of this kind of media world, built their audiences, built

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Speaker 3: his profile, built a brand for maga in himself, and

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Speaker 3: that was more effective. And we need more of that,

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Speaker 3: like kind of you know, twenty four to seven, three

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Speaker 3: sixty five work.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a few things going on with him,

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Speaker 2: and you know, one of his comments, I think he

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01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 2: said something like, we can't be it's too much naval gazing,

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Speaker 2: you know. And if you again, we talked about this earlier.

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Speaker 2: If you look at the news and you look at

1279
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Speaker 2: news about Democrats, it is inevitably Democrats talking about how

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Speaker 2: to win back someone we lost and what do we

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Speaker 2: do and what's the future of the party. So there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of naval gazing, which we always do as

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Speaker 2: a party, especially now that we've lost a second race

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Speaker 2: to Donald Trump. So I think people's I think people

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Speaker 2: are not trusting. When I say people, I mean like

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Speaker 2: democratic politicians, a lot of them are not trusting their

1287
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Speaker 2: instincts anymore, because you're like, how does Donald Trump won

1288
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Speaker 2: the presidency twice after an insurrection? After you're right, like,

1289
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Speaker 2: and so maybe nothing I believed about politics is right right,

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of there's extra caution, and so

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Speaker 2: I think he was talking about that. I know he

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Speaker 2: is like extremely concerned about this. I also know that

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Speaker 2: he believes that he has a very big presence and

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Speaker 2: that when he's out there that a lot of other

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Speaker 2: people don't get oxygen, and he feels very strongly he

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Speaker 2: needs to make way for a new generation. I also

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Speaker 2: think there's I was president for eight years. I gave

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Speaker 2: you this much of my life, and I like, I

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Speaker 2: can't keep doing this all the time. Like there's a

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Speaker 2: little bit of that. But I also know that when

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Speaker 2: he gets out there, like you know, I wind yeah,

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Speaker 2: I like worked with him around the I worked with

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Speaker 2: him around the convention, and that was like his he

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Speaker 2: was first badly doing the convention, and he was like

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Speaker 2: he the more we worked on it, the more he

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Speaker 2: got into it. And he was like, and now I'm

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Speaker 2: psyched and I'm ready for the speech is great, and

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Speaker 2: I want to hit the trail. So it's like he

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Speaker 2: is still a political animal. But when you're the longer

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Speaker 2: you're out, I think the harder it is to get

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Speaker 2: back in. And I do think there is I think

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Speaker 2: there's plenty of space between Barack Obama being out there

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Speaker 2: every day in Donald Trump's face, which I don't think

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Speaker 2: is a good idea, and like not doing much at all.

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Speaker 2: Like I think there's a big space in between there.

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Speaker 2: And I think he's just got to figure out like

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Speaker 2: how he's going to be the most useful, because that's

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Speaker 2: how he thinks, right, It's not like what about my

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Speaker 2: brand or what about this? Like how can I actually

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Speaker 2: be useful in moving the ball for it? What's actually

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Speaker 2: going to be most effective coming from me? And because

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Speaker 2: just because he's you know, cerebral like that, and I

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Speaker 2: think that's probably what he's trying to figure out.

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Speaker 1: Are you guys just you're over under on sixteen or

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Speaker 1: excuse sixteen twenty six six, which I mean sitting here

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Speaker 1: today with all you know, the big beautiful bill smart

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Speaker 1: A lot of the provisions don't. I mean, we're going

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Speaker 1: to assert, but we can't prove the impacts necessarily on

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Speaker 1: a lot of them, some very much so, but some

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Speaker 1: will be delayed intentionally. What's you're over under in terms

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Speaker 1: of how we're going to fare?

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Speaker 2: I will say on the on the bill. Tony Fabrizio,

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Speaker 2: Trump's polster had a memo today and he found in

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Speaker 2: most of the battleground district's Republicans running behind. He also

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Speaker 2: tested the extension of the ACA credits and found that

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Speaker 2: it is wildly popular to extend those credits, and that

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Speaker 2: is going to start. People are starting start getting those

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Speaker 2: notices this fall right away that their premiums are going

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Speaker 2: to go.

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Speaker 1: We're expecting two million people have premium increases on that

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Speaker 1: just in California, long two million, and we expect, based

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Speaker 1: upon legitimate conservative pre prior experience, six hundred thousand people

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Speaker 1: will drop out because they can't afford the premium increases.

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Speaker 1: So just that alone, that's not the three point four

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Speaker 1: million in California that we expect we lose under Medicaid,

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Speaker 1: our medical separate above six hundred thousand just on that alone.

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Speaker 1: So that's interesting and I appreciate that memo coming out

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Speaker 1: and that being illuminated.

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Speaker 2: And his suggestion is that Republican should vote to extend

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Speaker 2: the credit. We'll see if they actually do that, because

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Speaker 2: it's a separate above from the BI But look, they

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Speaker 2: when we passed the Affordable Care Act, we owned everything

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Speaker 2: that went wrong with the healthcare system. And guess what

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Speaker 2: now they now they passed Trump's health reform and they

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Speaker 2: got it Obamacare to give rich people at tax cut,

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Speaker 2: So they own everything that goes wrong with the healthcare system.

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Speaker 2: Now the premiums go up, you're pissed at your insurance company,

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Speaker 2: your rural hospital closes down. It's all on Trump. And

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Speaker 2: then rich people get a tax cut. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: you're paying for more or you're paying more higher prices

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Speaker 2: because of his dumb fucking tariffs. Right, So I think

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Speaker 2: I feel good about the mid terms, but I also

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Speaker 2: feel like Democrats need to and I know, you know

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Speaker 2: a lot of strategists don't agree with this, but I

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Speaker 2: think Democrats should talk about what they'll do if they

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Speaker 2: have power again. And now you have to be careful

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Speaker 2: because we went back the House and Senate. Basically all

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Speaker 2: we can do is stop harm, you know, like we

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Speaker 2: can send out subpoenas too, but like who knows if

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Speaker 2: they'll even respond to the subpoenas, So like we don't

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Speaker 2: have we can't over promise, but I think we can say, look,

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Speaker 2: this is part one of a two part step, you know,

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Speaker 2: a two part thing here where we take back the

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Speaker 2: Senate in the House and then hopefully take back the presidency.

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Speaker 2: And then when we do that, this is this is

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Speaker 2: our ideas, like, this is what we want to do

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Speaker 2: for people.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me end on that, because now we're extending

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Speaker 1: this one quick time because on that it's just so interesting.

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Speaker 1: So I had Frank Gluns on my pod and I

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Speaker 1: had Gingrich and obviously we're going to talk about the

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Speaker 1: contract on America with America eever you want to phrase it.

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Speaker 1: And it was really interesting. Frank calls balls and strikes

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Speaker 1: about newt and nude obviously will toot his own foreign

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Speaker 1: and it's just interesting the perspectives. But the potency of

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Speaker 1: that at the moment was obviously outside the political utility

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Speaker 1: of having an agenda, holding yourselves to account on the agenda,

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Speaker 1: sort of scoring your own progress and having some transparency.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just that as a document as a weapon

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Speaker 1: to get into power, but how they actually utilized it.

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Speaker 1: Is that something the Democratic Party should be working on

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Speaker 1: along the lines what John just said, I mean we

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Speaker 1: yes right.

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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, yes, yes, yes. I think like like I am,

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Speaker 3: I'm hopeful about twenty twenty six. I feel like you

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Speaker 3: kind of have historical trends. And also the thing I'm

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Speaker 3: really watching is just inflation and prices and like the

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Speaker 3: tariff stuff. It has not bit yet, but none of

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Speaker 3: it makes sense. Like we're putting a fifty percent tariff

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Speaker 3: on Brazil today because we think Bolsnaro tried the stage

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Speaker 3: of violent coup.

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Speaker 1: A sonarios a national security.

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Speaker 3: As a national security emergency, that we're necessitating fifty percent tarif, right, So, like,

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Speaker 3: none of this makes sense. He's not addressing costs. That's

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Speaker 3: what people really care about, and I think that'll bite

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Speaker 3: him in the ass. I hope, I hope, I hope

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Speaker 3: healthier stuff maybe we'll figure out if we can we

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Speaker 3: can sell that. But I think Democrats have done a

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Speaker 3: lot of work trying to figure out what went wrong

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Speaker 3: in the last election. Media podcasts like Hey, turns out

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Speaker 3: Biden was old, we haven't done a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of work too, By the way, we're guilty. Yeah, we've

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Speaker 2: been doing.

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Speaker 3: It right, We like we haven't, but we're not the party.

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Speaker 3: We haven't done a lot of work on ourselves. Like

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Speaker 3: how do we fix our brand problem?

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Speaker 1: How do we how do we make I think that

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Speaker 1: you didn't like the twenty seven percent in March and

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Speaker 1: then the NBC poll, like at least we got twenty

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Speaker 1: seven percent. I mean, he could have been twenty five.

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Speaker 3: It could have been too good. How do we become

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Speaker 3: a party that people want to first of all, movement

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Speaker 3: people want to be a part of that is fun

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Speaker 3: and inspiring and exciting, and also just policy positions that

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Speaker 3: get back to first principles, like anti war, for working people,

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Speaker 3: ethical right, like what's our reform agenda? And I think

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Speaker 3: like whether it's a Contract for America or like a

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Speaker 3: policy proposal, there's got to be an alternative that you

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Speaker 3: can turn to that isn't just Trump bad.

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Speaker 2: And thinking back to the twenty twenty primary, how many

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Speaker 2: fucking debates did they go into the minutia of Medicare

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Speaker 2: for All proposed implementation? Implementation right, which is what we do,

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Speaker 2: like imagine if instead of like arguing about this, we

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Speaker 2: were just like, what's a what's a big goal that

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Speaker 2: people can grab onto? Right, which is Trump has done that,

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Speaker 2: Mamdannie did that in New York.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: What if we just said, like, all right, no one

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Speaker 2: ever has to pay over ten percent of their income

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Speaker 2: for healthcare, and how well we're gonna We're gonna, look,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna govern, it's gonna be a mix of credits,

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Speaker 2: government expansion, whatever, We're gonna figure it out. That's our goal.

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Speaker 2: Everyone who works should be able to live in house

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Speaker 2: and never be homeless.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna figure out where build more houses, We're gonna

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Speaker 2: figure out rent. Like, I just think that we get

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Speaker 2: into the policy details of like how we're going to

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Speaker 2: get it done, and we need to be more like,

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Speaker 2: here's a big goal that people can grab onto and

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Speaker 2: it's and it's a good contrast with them and then

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Speaker 2: just go from there.

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Speaker 1: I love that. And just to close the loop on this,

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Speaker 1: who does that? I mean, you say it through the

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Speaker 1: prism of our presidential aspirants and they're all putting out

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Speaker 1: their damn white papers and they're trying to shape the

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Speaker 1: party conversation you have the sort of DLC version of

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Speaker 1: this and the Bruce Reed folks and from and we

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Speaker 1: need a version of that two point zero the community

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Speaker 1: Opportunity responsibility type agenda that can frame broadly those values.

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Speaker 1: And then we came back into them. Is it Nancy

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Speaker 1: Pelosi working with Jeffreys? Is it Ken Martin? Is it

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Speaker 1: a state Democratic Party parties? Is it mayor you know

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Speaker 1: this or governor that? I mean, who is it?

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Speaker 2: Look? I think I think California has always led the way.

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Speaker 1: And for those listening if you saw this son of

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Speaker 1: a bitch's face, really it's like here, it happens here.

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Speaker 1: First America's Coming.

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Speaker 2: Attraction, the Laboratory that.

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Speaker 1: This one you know what on that we will close

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Speaker 1: to all you listening from the great state of California.

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Speaker 1: It's been my honors.

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Speaker 2: This was really fun.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having I like having you.

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Speaker 1: On the other side of this. Thank you guys,