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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and it is a Monday after the divisional

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Speaker 1: round games and Matt that we saw for pretty good

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Speaker 1: football games over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a lot to take away from it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know they just eliminated the Steelers, but I feel

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Speaker 2: for Bills fans. I mean, they've had a rough go

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Speaker 2: of things in this year.

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Speaker 1: I would feel for him a lot more if they

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Speaker 1: would quit throwing snowballs out of them play.

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Speaker 2: Like how does that? How does that happen?

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Speaker 1: Like if I'm the NFL? Yeah, and I continue to

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Speaker 1: see that, I tell the Bills, you know what, you

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Speaker 1: don't get the host playoff games anymore if you can't

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Speaker 1: get your the snow cleaned out of your stadium so

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Speaker 1: that it because it's becomes a player.

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Speaker 2: Sta empty or no one. There's no fans right one

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Speaker 2: or the other.

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Speaker 1: Because I saw it play, I saw it.

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Speaker 2: Don't even bring it up. No, It's like people a

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Speaker 2: getting pelted and you.

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Speaker 1: Know, as the ball's coming in and the receivers are

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Speaker 1: trying to catch the football and there's snowballs coming in.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't affect a play at all. Right, gave me

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Speaker 1: this home field advantage crap.

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Speaker 2: Especially in the end zones.

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Speaker 1: That's garbage.

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Speaker 2: They're closer and easier throw. I guess for the snowball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, after the game last night when the when the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs beat them, then you see, you know, guys people

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Speaker 1: throwing snowballs a Chiefs fit, you know, as they're leader.

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Speaker 2: Like Jones, and those guys are like haunting them and

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Speaker 2: and they're getting peld them with snowballs because.

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Speaker 1: They can getting pelted with snowballs. The entire game. I

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Speaker 1: sat and watched I think I said this last week.

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Speaker 1: I sat and watched a guy in front of me

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Speaker 1: in the press box last weekend just sit the entire

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Speaker 1: game make snowballs and toss him down to the lower level.

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Speaker 1: It's like he's throwing them from I don't know, forty

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Speaker 2: Okay, like that's going to hurt somebody, to hurt somebody, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm more worried about hey, in fact, the field of play,

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Speaker 2: you know, screwing up a play, or go through a

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Speaker 2: guy's face mask he's trying to catch a touchdown, or

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Speaker 2: you know, vice versa.

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Speaker 1: Whatever, put somebody's eye out, you don't know what's in

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Speaker 1: a snowball, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean it's you know that's a problem. But boy,

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Speaker 2: they've had a tough good.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to continue to like you deserve it,

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Speaker 1: you serve it. And you know, I thought Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: played a really good game yeah yesterday until like the

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Speaker 1: final six minutes he fumbled.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, made a big play knocking out of bounce.

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Speaker 1: And instead of just continuing to check down on the

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Speaker 1: final draw on the final possession, you're in field goal range, right,

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Speaker 1: you could have been in better field goal range. You

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Speaker 1: missed the field goal, but keep the clock running.

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Speaker 2: Even if you had scored.

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Speaker 1: In that situation, he threw the throw the ball into

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Speaker 1: the end zone. It was a second down if you score,

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Speaker 1: and he still left Patrick Mahons a minute, forty seven

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Speaker 1: the field on you score. You've done that before. You've

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Speaker 1: been that route a couple of years ago in the AFC.

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Speaker 2: If the championship then the Chiefs gave you that, Josh,

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Speaker 2: you'd be thrilled, yeah, you know, and you've been on

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Speaker 2: the receiving end of it time and time again. I

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Speaker 2: do think McDermott has least some clock issues and game

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Speaker 2: management stuff to be going for.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the fake punt was ridiculous and they got

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Speaker 1: bailed out.

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Speaker 2: They got bailed out. I mean that was See. I

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Speaker 2: don't blame them for the fake punt. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: think that's what.

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Speaker 1: You're going to go for it, Just go line up

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Speaker 1: and go for it.

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Speaker 2: Well, they only had ten guys on the field. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's fourth and five.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure snapping it to a safety.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. I'd rather I would rather

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Speaker 2: I don't think they would have went unless the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: then the Chiefs make me crazy too, because all their

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Speaker 2: ring around the rosy nonsense in the red zone anymore.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't worked in years. Everybody thought, oh it's so cute.

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Speaker 1: Look at they did the ring. They didn't score on

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Speaker 2: They're they're asking hardman who's one hundred and eighty pounds

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Speaker 2: guy one carrying the ball there, you know, and he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then of course everybody's screaming about the well,

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Speaker 2: Zone, like the rule or no, it's been in place forever.

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Speaker 1: It It hasn't changed forever. It's been the rule. You

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Speaker 2: Ball out exactly exactly. So we could talk for an

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Speaker 2: hour about that, because I've been on a soapbox about

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Speaker 2: that rule for fifteen years. I think it's a bad rule.

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Speaker 2: And my only reason I think it's a bad rule

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Speaker 2: is the defense did nothing to deserve the football. But

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Speaker 2: there's two sides of it, and I've talked through this one.

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Speaker 1: They forced a fumble, yeah.

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Speaker 2: But they didn't pick it up and they never possessed it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they forced to force the.

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Speaker 2: Fumble, but they didn't. If it goes out of bounds,

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Speaker 2: they don't get the ball. I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 2: they did anything to deserve the football. But I've never

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Speaker 2: heard a better solution for the rule. The rule's been

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Speaker 2: in place for one hundred years.

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Speaker 1: I'd moved the ball back to the twenty. Give the offense.

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Speaker 1: The offense keeps the ball, but now it's first and

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Speaker 2: Whatever I've heard that or from the place of the fumble.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, none of them are perfect, but.

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Speaker 2: No offense, right, you might be on the one, right, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean that that doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Well, you probably are on the one if you fumbled

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they deserve a penalty, but the defense doesn't deserve

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Speaker 2: the ball. Yeah, that's my problem with the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: But but you know the rule, right, the rule, And

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Speaker 2: rules in place for one hundred years.

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Speaker 1: Every time it happens as some people get on their soapbulks.

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Speaker 1: The worst rule in sports, it's not even close to

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Speaker 1: know it though, and you know what it is.

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Speaker 2: It's not so rule, right right, it's not obscure. It

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Speaker 2: comes up every year. But good football game, good quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: I mean, to the Bills credit, they ran a million plays.

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Speaker 2: Chiefs ran like forty seven, but they averaged seven point

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Speaker 2: seven yards of play and the Bills had no explosives.

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Speaker 2: Everything was behind the line of scrimmage. Run the ball

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Speaker 1: If Stefan Diggs comes down with the ball that went

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Speaker 2: Might be shot or injured or something. He's been the

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Speaker 1: I only look good in that game. There were times

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Speaker 2: I mean, that was a bad play. But the last

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Speaker 2: two couple of months have not been good for him

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Speaker 2: at all. Although the last game of season, Steeler game.

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Speaker 2: Early that game, he looked like he was turning the corner.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, what was I gonna say

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Speaker 2: about that? Oh, just one team at Explosives one didn't

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Speaker 2: and say what you want about all these great quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: and they're unbelievable. I can't watch. We can't wait to

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Speaker 2: watch Lamar versus Mahomes, or I'll watch Allen verus Mahomes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was some of that, and really both instances

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Speaker 1: the Packers out played to forty nine ers.

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Speaker 2: They gotta be kicked themselves. Yeah, Like Houston's probably like, nah,

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Speaker 2: Green Bay should feel that way, but we also should

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Speaker 1: Right they were party was awful, awful.

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Speaker 2: I mean, his last drive was okay, but he was

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Speaker 2: maybe the worst player in the field for eighty five

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the second time that's happened to him

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Speaker 1: how Cleveland ended up beating them in Cleveland. It rained

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean he's super young, so we don't have

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Speaker 2: But he doesn't handle it well at all. And then

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Speaker 2: Debo going out didn't help them. I mean, they're pretty

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Speaker 1: Then McCaffrey looks like he's still dealing with something as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he put up with good numbers at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, but I thought he didn't look as explosive

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Speaker 2: they could make a kick either.

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Speaker 1: It was key, and then you got Detroit. Detroit beat

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay as you expect. Yeah, Collinsworth, I think it was.

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Speaker 1: It was Collinsworth.

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Speaker 2: It did the game he did.

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Speaker 1: Trying to explain away why when Tampa Bay scores to

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Speaker 1: make it thirty one to twenty three and they go

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Speaker 1: kickers only make ninety five percent of their extra points,

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Speaker 2: Right? However, if you make the first you're in massive control.

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Speaker 2: Right. See, the problem I have with it is a

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Speaker 1: We're talking about kickers indoors too. We're not talking about

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Speaker 1: It also is probably one of your good short yardage

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Speaker 2: You go in with three or four you're comfortable with.

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Speaker 1: There's there's no analytics that's going to tell me that

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Speaker 2: Because I see both sides.

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Speaker 1: There are no instances where, well that this has happened

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Speaker 2: Out it could be five hundred times, right. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what it is, right, But that

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Speaker 1: I just feel like you've painted yourself into a corner

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Speaker 2: They were I was shocked. They were most two point

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Speaker 2: Like I bet he believed he was way over fifty

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Speaker 2: Here. How impressed are you with the Lions? I have

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Speaker 2: You're just to win now. Move you're Detroit and you're.

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Speaker 1: Trying to win now. You haven't won a playoff game

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Speaker 2: I get it completely, and it's paying off in a

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Speaker 2: a good player that went right in that neighborhood. But

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Speaker 2: he's a wide receiver, so that's smart, you know, like

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Speaker 2: that guy changes a game more than Addison or even Smith.

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Speaker 2: The JIGBA this year. You know, I didn't think that

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Speaker 2: on Draft Day, but I mean the great receivers from

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Speaker 2: the first round receivers, he had more of an impact

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Speaker 2: on than those guys.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's that brings us to the Nausea Harris conversation,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk more about this in the next segment.

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Speaker 1: I want to get to Nausea Harris. But he is

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lallie. You're listening to the

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Speaker 2: I think you're pretty safe to say he's going to

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Speaker 2: be around for a lot.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be around for And I

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Speaker 1: sent you this.

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Speaker 2: This is great, it's really good.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday we was watching the games, and then I noticed

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Speaker 1: that ray fit Apaldo wrote about it as well in

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Speaker 1: Today's I think in today's because that the fifty year

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Speaker 1: option on those you hears.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people don't understand it. For

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Speaker 2: one thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it has convoluted it is it used to

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Speaker 1: just be your draft slot?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now it's a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: When you said draft slot, like so pick twenty made

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Speaker 2: a little less than pick nineteen, yeah, a little more.

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Speaker 1: The top ten, the top ten guys I believe all

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Speaker 1: got the transition tag. Yeah, okay, and then after that

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Speaker 1: it was it was slotted in.

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Speaker 2: So if you were the ninth pick in the draft

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Speaker 2: and good, not great, it wasn't worth it, right, But okay,

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Speaker 2: now there's more ramifications.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So looking at and this comes from over Thecap

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Speaker 1: dot com.

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Speaker 2: And they're awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all over. They break down this This per

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty Collective Bargaining Agreement. So there are four

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Speaker 1: different levels of the fifty year option the fifth year

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Speaker 1: option to be in terms of what they would get

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Speaker 1: in terms of compensation. The first is for basic. That's

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Speaker 1: for guys who maybe missed a season or didn't play

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Speaker 1: enough to warrant, you know, getting the deal. Maybe they

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Speaker 1: didn't play the first too much the first year of

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Speaker 1: the first two years, but they've gotten to the point

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Speaker 1: now where there's a starter, so you got to make

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Speaker 1: that decision, and that's the cheapest. That's the cheapest.

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Speaker 2: There's like four categories you fall into, and they can

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Speaker 2: be getting more and more expensive.

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Speaker 1: Then you have playtime, which is based on basically if

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Speaker 1: you've been a starter over the course of that.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's a percentage if you played seventy percent

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Speaker 2: of your team snaps since you've been drafted or whatever

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Speaker 2: the number, it.

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Speaker 1: Looks like seventy five percent greater in two of their

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Speaker 1: first three seasons, an average of seventy five percent or

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Speaker 1: greater overall three seasons. We're fifty percent or greater overall

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Speaker 1: three seasons.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it so happened to have about one injury,

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Speaker 2: but you're still playing. You can, it doesn't kill you. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Then you have guys who are named the one Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Now the caveat here is that they had to be

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Speaker 1: They had to be voted in the first You can't

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Speaker 1: be a guy who's who's an injury replacement or something

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Speaker 1: like that or made as an alt count.

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Speaker 2: You have to be voted on. It's not a first

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Speaker 2: team thing. But you got voted into the problem. Yes,

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Speaker 2: because originally I'm like Pro Bowls a little skimpy, I mean,

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Speaker 2: actually end up playing in one or not, you know,

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Speaker 2: but voted in matters. Yeah, that's a little more of

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Speaker 2: a barometer.

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Speaker 1: And then there's one for multiple Pro Bowls, which means

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Speaker 1: two out of three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're a big time at least to it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: at least right.

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Speaker 1: Looking at that, based on that, Nause Harris, who did

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Speaker 1: go to a Pro Bowl after his first year, but

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Speaker 1: he was.

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Speaker 2: An alternate, Okay, did that count or not?

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Speaker 1: That did not count? And the difference from that for

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Speaker 1: the Steelers standpoint is a lot of money, a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of money.

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Speaker 1: So had Nase Harris been voted to the Pro Bowl,

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Speaker 1: not as an alternate. Would it cost the Steelers ten

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Speaker 1: point one million dollars?

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Speaker 2: That was the Barkley Jacobs deal last year for running back. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they were right in that neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: Instead, because he just gets to playtime option, it's six

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Speaker 1: point six million dollars.

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Speaker 2: So he's in category two. He's not the cheapest, he's

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Speaker 2: not one of the two most expensive. If he's the

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Speaker 2: second cheapest right now.

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Speaker 1: For example, Travis atn who was drafted one pick after

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Speaker 1: him but missed his entire rookie year, he comes in

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Speaker 1: a five point nine to five.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, So no, he didn't go to a Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Not a huge difference there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And okay, so ATM didn't hit the playing requirements,

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Speaker 2: probably just missed it, I mean, but he probably didn't

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Speaker 2: go to any Pro bowls nause, he didn't go to

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Speaker 2: any Pro Bowls voted in, but did hit the playing requirement.

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Speaker 2: That jumps.

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Speaker 1: Not that big a difference, no, but that I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a huge difference between. So if you've gone to

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Speaker 1: one Pro Bowl, it's ten point one. If he'd gone

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Speaker 1: to multiple Pro Bowls for a running back, it was

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Speaker 1: twelve point four million. Dollars. Okay, so that's I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's basically half.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's a huge deal. Yeah, I mean so

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Speaker 2: so I think this is one hundred percent correct. If

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Speaker 2: the Steelers pick up their fifth year option, which I'm

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Speaker 2: sure it becomes fully guaranteed, it's fully guaranteed. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: get any kind of signing bonus or anything. He will

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Speaker 2: get one seventeenth of six point six million every Monday,

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Speaker 2: and that's his salary, and then he's a free agent

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Speaker 2: after that. Yeah, and you can franchise him after that

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Speaker 2: or whatever. But it's six point six that's an easy

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Speaker 2: one for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a no brainer.

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean I don't think I would have at ten.

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Speaker 1: Ten would have been a bigger question.

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Speaker 2: Ten's a question, right, But at six for starting running

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Speaker 2: back that you lean on that heavily.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, essentially quite well for the study. Yeah, essentially, you're

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Speaker 1: paying your two running backs who produced well over two

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Speaker 1: thousand yards and twelve touchdowns last year. They're gonna they're

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Speaker 1: gonna count you seven and a half next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. For a good backfield, one of the best backfields

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Speaker 2: in the league that's still young. It's great. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: take that all day long and maybe you're throwing a

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Speaker 2: six round pick or another und drafted free agent or whatever,

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Speaker 2: Betty snell Off the street type of guy. Whatever. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why you wouldn't do that, right, I

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Speaker 2: mean a ten is a conversation. Six point six is

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Speaker 2: a slam done. Yeah, I mean it's a cheap backfield,

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Speaker 2: gonna go over to the other thirty one. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 2: do that, just the kind of because this year, I

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Speaker 2: think it's a great article. I mean I looked at

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Speaker 2: them all and I thought there wasn't many hard decisions

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Speaker 2: this year. Most years is harder decisions. And I think

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Speaker 2: last year only like ten or eleven out of thirty

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Speaker 2: one because that was the year that Brady there, there

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Speaker 2: was only thirty one picks or something because of the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: but like one out of three got picked up.

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Speaker 1: Well that's one thing at this new collective bargaining agreement,

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Speaker 1: I say knew it was in twenty twenty, it does

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Speaker 1: make it much easier to either do it or not

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Speaker 1: do it because it is based on what the player

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Speaker 1: has done, at least as opposed to work there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as opposed to what it was before. If you were

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Speaker 1: a top ten pick, you'd play pretty well. You had

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Speaker 1: to play really well for them to pick up that option.

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Speaker 2: Like Trevor Lawrence is the first pick in this draft. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he'd got picked up any year. But I mean, if

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Speaker 2: you're a notch below that at any position, yeah, best

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Speaker 2: of luck.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Lawrence was number one. He gets to playtime

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Speaker 1: because he hasn't been voted to a Pro Bowl. So

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Speaker 1: that's twenty one point nine seven eight million dollars right now.

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Speaker 1: That's what the Steelers will be looking at next year

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Speaker 1: for Kenny Pickett.

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Speaker 2: Right, unless Kenny goes to a Pro Bowl between now

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Speaker 2: and then gets elected.

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Speaker 1: At this point, because he didn't start the first three

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Speaker 1: games of his rookie year and also missed some time

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Speaker 1: and then miss some time this year, he might be

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Speaker 1: right on.

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Speaker 2: The full He may not be a Tier two guy.

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Speaker 1: He might be right on the border of being a

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Speaker 1: Tier one guy.

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Speaker 2: That's what I mean, between one of the two cheapest ones. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, conceivably he could have a great year and

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Speaker 2: go to the Pro Bowl, right, and then he's in

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Speaker 2: Tier three, which is expensive, or he plays.

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Speaker 1: All seventeen games this year and he plays all seventeen

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Speaker 1: games in twenty twenty four doesn't make the Pro Bowl,

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Speaker 1: but then he would get the playtime for sure.

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Speaker 2: Or if he gets if he's not the starter of

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Speaker 2: this upcoming year or doesn't hit the seventy five percent

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Speaker 2: or whatever he needs to, he would be the cheapest tier.

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Speaker 1: And it's a significant difference for quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: And we didn't mention that it's different for every position.

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Speaker 1: So the basic the basic number for quarterbacks is nineteen

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Speaker 1: point one six. Then you got Lawrence at twenty one

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Speaker 1: point nine to seven eight. If you've made a Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowl as a quarterback, you're talking thirty one point one

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Speaker 1: five eight.

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Speaker 2: Which is like what Burrow and Herbert had to deal

636
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Speaker 2: with the year before this. So you might as well sign.

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Speaker 1: Him right then you do the extension you have.

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Speaker 2: You start that as a jumping off point.

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Speaker 1: If you've made multiple Pro Bowls in your first three

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Speaker 1: seasons as a quarterback. As a quarterback, it's thirty five

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Speaker 1: point nine to five two.

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Speaker 2: Which I'm guessing that's you know, Mahomes had to deal

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Speaker 2: with that. Maybe Allen, you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, they weren't yet. I don't know if they.

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Speaker 2: Were didn't think they qualified yet or not right when

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Speaker 2: they're time. So but either way, Trevor, Lawrence, Lawnceill g Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Lawrence will get it at two.

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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson is a basic and.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, for picket, if he's on, if he's

650
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Speaker 2: twenty one million next year, you'd be thrilled. Yeah, the

651
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Speaker 2: Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he if he's thirty.

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Speaker 2: One, thirty one, Yeah, that means you went the Pro Bowl, right, Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that'd be great.

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Speaker 1: In which case you're you happily pick up the action,

656
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Speaker 1: pick it up. Yeah, Zach Wilson nineteen point one six,

657
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Speaker 1: no chance, no chance, Trey Lance nineteen point one six,

658
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys would have to pick that up.

659
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: So everybody won to trade for trade Lance. Well, what

660
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: good did it do the Cowboys? I mean they're gonna

661
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: have them this upcoming year. Yeah, and maybe he'll be fine,

662
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: but I mean quarterback thing moves real. That's like justin fields,

663
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: you basically get one. You get one training camp with

664
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: you get one training camp with them. He traded for

665
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 2: him halfway through the year. Didn't give up a lot.

666
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: But that's why you don't give up much for those guys.

667
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: I mean, he may never get a chance. Kyle Pitts

668
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: tight ends are a little cheaper tight ends. I think

669
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: tight ends are a bargain from what I remember left.

670
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: But he made a Pro Bowl. Oh yeah he did,

671
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: so he's ten point five to six four.

672
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: They get a lot of space, but I bet they

673
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: do it. I remember him being okay, he's a tough one,

674
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 2: but that is a tough one.

675
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: If he just had a playtime, he'd be seven point seven.

676
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: He had Pro Bowl year's rookie year.

677
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's been volatile and he played.

678
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: Not necessarily his fault, but it.

679
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: Is through an injury today or this year too. No,

680
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: I bet they do it. But that's not a slam dunk.

681
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase is twenty one point six eight five million, which.

682
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: Is definitely a slam dunk, but it doesn't help Higgins,

683
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: you know, getting back.

684
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: The difference between that and if for a basic for

685
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: a wide receivers, thirteen point seven to eight playtime is

686
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: fifteen million, and he's made multiple Pro Bowls. He had one.

687
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl is nineteen point three three ninety mostly expensive,

688
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: he's the most expensive.

689
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 2: I assumed he made more than one, but yeah, you know,

690
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: there was an injury there too.

691
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: Jaylen Waddell is fifteen I.

692
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 2: Think that's a yes. But if he would have been

693
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 2: at twenty one, what's a question? Yeah, yeah, can you

694
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 2: agord to pay both your two wide receivers exactly fifty

695
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: million dollars tie up between the two. I think he

696
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: gets picked up.

697
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: Penay Sewell, it's made a Pro Bowl nineteen point seven

698
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: one eight million.

699
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: You definitely pick it up.

700
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: You definitely pick it up. But he is a right tackle.

701
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: He's a right tackle, and you've got expensive stuff coming up,

702
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: bro j C.

703
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 1: Horn. He's been hurt a lot. He gets the basic

704
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: eleven point twenty nine to four million. That's a tough one.

705
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: Because he's been good and they like him. He just

706
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: can stay on the field, and they also have a

707
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: new coach and they do have a lot of money.

708
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: But someone's gonna play corner. I would think you pick that.

709
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: Up probably, but that it gets a lot more expensive.

710
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, he's not cheapest, right, Yeah.

711
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: Not as expensive as Patrick Sartain, who's eighteen point four

712
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: to two to one. He's made multiple protests.

713
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: Thrilled.

714
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're happy about that player, right, DeVante Smith fifteen

715
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: point he's the same as Wattle fifteen point oh three seven.

716
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: Exact same situation. Yeah, it's good, but you got pricey roster.

717
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: Justin Field's the same situation as Lawrence twenty one point

718
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: nine to eight nine seven eight million if you pick

719
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: that up.

720
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: So hypothetically, let's say the Steelers trade the Bears a

721
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: pick for Fields, they get that decision, then yeah, well

722
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: there's a deadline with Chicago.

723
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: It's May sixth or something like that.

724
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: He would certainly trade him before after the drafts after

725
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: the draft, so the new team would get that decision,

726
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: and you would assume, whether it's the Steelers, Falcons, whoever,

727
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: the trades for Fields, they're gonna pick that up. You'd

728
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: have to I mean you have to, yeah, or talk extension.

729
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: But if you're going to talk extension, the bottom line

730
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: his agent's going to come at in that is that number. Yeah,

731
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: that's a start.

732
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: That's a start. That's the starting point.

733
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: Like, hey, I mean I consider and do nothing and

734
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: get that mount what was it twenty.

735
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: One well assuming yeah, almost twenty two million, assuming Chicago

736
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: picks it up and then trades him. If they don't

737
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: pick it up, now you can now the agent can

738
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: just negotiate whatever he wants.

739
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So but these things are all you know,

740
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: like it's not just as easy as trading for fields

741
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: and boy, you've got him forever.

742
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Micah Parsons is twenty three point three four eight million.

743
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: That's the most highest course, right, if you're if you're not.

744
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: The lowest was for an edge rusher is thirteen eight.

745
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: Then he jumps up to fifteen point oh seven. Then

746
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: it goes to twenty point one four. If you've made

747
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl. Well, he's made multiple that's why you know.

748
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: There's their situation when Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb.

749
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the three of them are gonna be hard to

750
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: keep all three. I mean it's possible, but you might

751
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: have to cut like a Zach Martin or a Tyns

752
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: Smith that's been around, you know, right.

753
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: Rashaun Slater with the Chargers nineteen point seven.

754
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: I think they're happy to do that, but they have

755
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: massive cap problem, right.

756
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: Elijah Vera Tucker with the Jets, he's only fifteen point

757
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: four because he's missed some time.

758
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine he's safe though he did not

759
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: go to a Pro Bowl. No, okay, so he's the

760
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: second cheapest version.

761
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: Mac Jones twenty one point nine. That's not getting picked on, right, yeah,

762
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: Zaven Collins twelve point one seventy five. That's not getting

763
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: picked up.

764
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: Like, I'm not saying the Steelers should trade for mac Jones,

765
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: but I bet a team could get him for like

766
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: a six round pick. Yeah, I mean, if you want

767
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: to maybe a conditional set, right, if you want to

768
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: throw him in the back of your roster not pick

769
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: it up. Round him for a year, and you know,

770
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: if you're the Rams or something behind Stafford.

771
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: Collins is twelve point one seven five, as is Jalen Phillips.

772
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips won twelve point one seven five.

773
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: I think Phillips the yes, Collins the no.

774
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: Jamin Davis.

775
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: Collins is coming off a major injury, right.

776
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: Phillips, You mean Phillips, Yes, he says Jamin Davis is

777
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: through thirteen point twenty nine to eight.

778
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: That's a no.

779
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: Kadarius Tony thirteen point seven eight four no Quity Pay

780
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: thirteen point eight seven. I'm sorry, I was he thirteen

781
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: point eight six one.

782
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: Probably not, but if he were them, you wish you

783
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: had in one more year of information.

784
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Caleb Farley eleven point two ninety four.

785
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: Nope, that's probably drafting these intro guys he's never really

786
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: been on the field.

787
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: Christian Daris saw us sixteen point two.

788
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: Definitely him and sore the easy tackles.

789
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nause is six point six.

790
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: We talked about that, just thick of that comparable the

791
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: numbers we have mentioned.

792
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: Atn is five point nine to five five because he's

793
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: missed a lot of time.

794
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: So side note, I have mixed feelings about running back

795
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: in round one, you know, and there we could get

796
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: a super long conversation. But one of the perks of

797
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: it is he's only six six, He's not eighteen, you

798
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like the fifth year option.

799
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: You don't have to make that decision and say, oh,

800
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: we got to extend him now, or we're gonna let

801
00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: him go.

802
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: Right, It's this boy, I don't know if I can

803
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: afford fields or a left tackle or an edge guy.

804
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: It's fifth year options much more palatable than other positions.

805
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Greg Newsom with Cleveland is twelve point one six.

806
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: It's a tough one. I think he probably gets picked up.

807
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: That's a big raise though, that's a big raise. Yeah,

808
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: Now you're paying your two because they're expensive. Yeah, Award's

809
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: already expensive. Like when Watson's just an Acker, Yeah.

810
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: Rashaw Bateman is thirteen point seven eighty four. Nope, can't

811
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: pay that.

812
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: Can't pay that. For a third receiver.

813
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: Peyton Turner with the Saints thirteen point eight six one, Nope,

814
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: can't pay that.

815
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: Noe.

816
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: Eric Stokes with Green Bay is eleven point two nine

817
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: to four.

818
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: No.

819
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: Gregory Rousseau with the Bills thirteen point eighty six to one.

820
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: Probably not, although he's come on nicely, like he's one

821
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: that you'd love to be able to say, we really

822
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: like what he's been doing, he's coming along slow. I

823
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: retweeted it from Adam Schefter. They have so many free

824
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: agents after this year and no cap space.

825
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: And there they're like forty million over the over the.

826
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: And because Allen's like a forty seven million dollar hit

827
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: and they have so many guys up now, you might

828
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: not be able to pick up a fifth year option

829
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: if you wanted.

830
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: To away with the Ravens is twelve point one seven five.

831
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 2: I think not. He is not even a starter.

832
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he hasn't done enough. And then Joe try On

833
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: Chowanka is twelve point one seven to five.

834
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: That one. I'm not sure. I mean, he plays a lot,

835
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: he doesn't seem like a massive difference maker.

836
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about this if you look at it

837
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 1: from picks fourteen down starting with Elijah Vera Tucker, most

838
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: of those guys, most of them are still basic guys.

839
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: The only ones who were taken at lower than fourteen

840
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: who aren't basic guys Mac Jones, Jamin Davis, Christian Darisaw,

841
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: Najee Harris, and Greg Newsom. The rest of them are

842
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: all haven't played enough at this point to make that.

843
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: And it's not a terrible draft class. No oh no,

844
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: I mean there's been worse. I'd love to look at

845
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: that exact figure for every year that this bargaining that

846
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: this has been in place, because it goes back to

847
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: if your new listeners, you probably haven't heard this yet,

848
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: but Dale and I talk about this all the time

849
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: in draft season. There's about fourteen first rounders every year,

850
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: you know that are true fire first rounders any year

851
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: that are guaranteed to go in Round one. If you

852
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: don't picking the first half of Round one, you ain't

853
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: getting them. And the Steelers never picking the first half

854
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: for one.

855
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: The suggestion that Najie Harris hasn't been worth the buck though, right,

856
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you and I both love Javonte Williams. Yeah,

857
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: we did in that draft. Yeah, Javonte Williams has had

858
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: a hard time staying on the field. Travis Atn has

859
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: had a hard time staying on the field.

860
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he has. And Atn is different. I mean,

861
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: and I don't look at Atn like the conversation we

862
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: had about Gibbs, because he's not that good of a receiver.

863
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he catch didn't he didn't fit here.

864
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: No, that's not what they were looking.

865
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: Naji Harris and Yvante Williams both fit this off exactly.

866
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: I bet they had no interest in Atn, especially at

867
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: that price. So if you give them to him a

868
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 2: third round, sure, Yeah, they were probably looking at those two.

869
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: Who do we like better to be the big thumper.

870
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: One of my side notes on drafting running backs high,

871
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 2: whether it's round one or not, I lean more towards yes,

872
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 2: if I have a first year quarterback or I'm about

873
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: that have a first year quarterback, yeah, because I think

874
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: it's really a nice insurance, a nice security blanket to

875
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 2: come out under center and be like I can hand

876
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: it to that guy and I don't have to do

877
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: anything this play like this, And they knew that that

878
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: was coming. That was Ben's last year.

879
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, to me, if the guy's gonna get

880
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: if he's going to get two hundred and fifty to

881
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: three hundred touches, he's worth it.

882
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: He's worth it.

883
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: If he's a specialty player who's going to get one

884
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty touches to you know, one hundred and

885
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: fifty to two hundred touches, then I'm not taking him

886
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 1: in the first round.

887
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: And this is somewhat revisionist history, but if you look

888
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: at that draft order, darrisaw went one pick before or

889
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: tam picks before for the pick before, and on draft day,

890
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: I would have told you if Darres saw a nause

891
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: here there, I'm taking their right because he's a left

892
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: tackle and he was a really good prospect and he's

893
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: turned out to be a great player. But that's irrelevant.

894
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just what we thought.

895
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: But if you look at the players taken after Nausey,

896
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't there was a drop off atn You could

897
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: make an argument for newsom Rah Bateman.

898
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 2: But I don't think corner was high on their list

899
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 2: at the time. I mean, they went corner, center, tight

900
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: end was what they were after that year. Yeah, so

901
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I can't remember the state of that.

902
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: I mean, Sutton wasn't up yet. I mean I think

903
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: they were not really in the corner market at the

904
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: top of the draft.

905
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 1: So his atn Newsom Bateman, Peyton Turner, Eric Stokes, Gregory

906
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: Russo away and try on Showanka. Well, they weren't taking

907
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: any of those edge rushers.

908
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: No, I mean that neighborhood was not really conducive to them,

909
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 2: and maybe you look the trade down at that point,

910
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: but maybe you can't. Yeah, right, I mean they got

911
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: Friarmuth is the second tight end off the board. Pitts

912
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: went super early, but that was a big gap between

913
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: one and two on tight ends.

914
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

915
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: I am Dale Lallie. You're listening to the driver here

916
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Rate. We'll be back with more right

917
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: after this. I am Dale Lalli. He is the Matt Williamson,

918
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: and this is the drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt,

919
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: we're talking off the air about how that that that

920
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one draft came together and there was a

921
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: lot of angst, I should say, on a lot.

922
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: Of its after man, that's after watching the movie. I

923
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 2: mean some of it's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking too.

924
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: So there were people out there. You know, the Steelers

925
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: could have had Creed Humphrey or they could have had

926
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: Landon Dickerson in the first round. Okay, Landon Dickerson went

927
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: thirty seventh overall. Yeah, and there were plenty, plenty of

928
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: medical red flags with him.

929
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: Yes. The other thing about Dickerson is he was a

930
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: giant center at Bama, but was always better suited to

931
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 2: be a guard because he's three hundred and thirty pounds.

932
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: He's played zero snaps of center for the Eagles, which

933
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: so that was a really good center class, including Kendrick

934
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: Green folks. I mean like that was why they went

935
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: Friarmuth over Dickerson. At least in my opinion, was there

936
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: was five or six that went in round on day

937
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: two that they thought maybe Dickerson is our number one,

938
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: or maybe Humphreys our number one, or Dickerson and then

939
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,959
Speaker 2: maybe they thought he was a center, but they weren't

940
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: in the market for a guard. They wanted a center.

941
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: And frankly, you and I were on the air when

942
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 2: the pick came up for Friarmuth and we both thought, well,

943
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 2: this is probably Creed Humphrey, and they grabbed Friarmuth, which

944
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: has worked out fine. Is on knock on Friarmuth at all,

945
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,959
Speaker 2: But the logic of the time was there's still four

946
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: other you know, Josh Myers went to the Green Bay.

947
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: He's been good. I forget the other names in that class,

948
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: but this has been this is a good center draft.

949
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 2: Let's go to the short spot tight end, and we'll

950
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: get the center with the next pick. Now, it didn't

951
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: work out with green here, but that doesn't mean the

952
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: logic was flawed.

953
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about the Creed Humphrey pick. If Kansas

954
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: City thought the Creed Humphrey was going to try and

955
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: I have a Creed Humphrey's good.

956
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: He is he is?

957
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: Is he the best center in the league.

958
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

959
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: I think he's top five?

960
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

961
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. If Kansas City thought he was that good, they

962
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: would have taken him with their first second round pick,

963
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: which was which was fifty eight when they took Nick Bolton,

964
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: instead of waiting until sixty three to take him. At

965
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: that point, Yeah, they wouldn't have. They would have said,

966
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: oh we got to get this guy.

967
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: Now, agreed, So a couple things. That position's fun because

968
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: you can say the same about quarterback or some of

969
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: these standalone positions. I promise you the Chiefs, the Steelers,

970
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: the Packers did a ton of homework going into that

971
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: draft saying which teams would even consider a center on

972
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: Day one or two. Well, maybe there's seven or eight

973
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: of them. You know, the Eagles aren't one of them.

974
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: They got Kelsey. I mean that's just one example. And

975
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: again I thought Dick orsone's a guard. So if you're

976
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: the Chiefs and you're picking fifty eight and sixty three

977
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: and there's no one in between you that's in that

978
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: center market, maybe you're like, we'll hold on for dear

979
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: life here, take Bolton and hope someone doesn't trade ahead

980
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 2: of us, a deal our guy, and if they do,

981
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: we'll just take Myers or one of the other things,

982
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So that position's interesting to

983
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 2: me because you can find out pretty quickly on draft

984
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 2: day or leading up the draft day twenty teams aren't

985
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 2: going to take long.

986
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: Well, Myers went.

987
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: Right before say I think he went out to right

988
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: before Creed Humphrey.

989
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: Okay, the other thing about it is. If you look

990
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: at that draft, the next tight end's taken.

991
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: I think there was a big gap.

992
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: There was a big gap.

993
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Environments stood alone as a clear number two.

994
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: And then Hunter Long when a picked eighty one to Miami.

995
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: He's not even with Miami anymore.

996
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: No, he's a backup blocker type.

997
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: And then Tommy Trumble went in eighty three to Carolina.

998
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: And frankly, no one thought those guys are at any

999
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: round two consideration. No, they weren't particularly good tight ends.

1000
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: Then you had another gap, and the next tight end

1001
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: wasn't taken until the fourth round when Washington took John

1002
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: Bates at won twenty four. Kylon Granson went at one

1003
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,479
Speaker 1: twenty seven, right before the Steelers took Dan Moore.

1004
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: Okay, so if you were in the Steelers' shoes and

1005
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: you wanted a tight end, you had zero shot at Pits. Right,

1006
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: none of those other guys would even consider in the

1007
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: second round, maybe not even the third. Right, I'm not

1008
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 2: taking a hundred Long in the third. Then, so it's

1009
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,959
Speaker 2: Friar Muth or bust, And you can live with bust,

1010
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: you can. I mean, no one's gonna go in the

1011
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: draft and be.

1012
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: Like we gotta get a tight end.

1013
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: You have to get this guy. But when you look

1014
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: at it and you're like, well, there's five centers four

1015
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: centers here that I'm still interested in, including Green.

1016
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 1: There's two tight ends that we like and and one's

1017
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: one's not going to be there. They might have looked

1018
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: at Pits and go, he might not be for us.

1019
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: He might not be for us, but there's no chance

1020
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: he gets to the nausey pick, right. I mean, you

1021
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: knew his will be a top ten pick, so he's

1022
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: off the board. You're not gonna trade up for him.

1023
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 2: So those are that's the logic. That's how you build

1024
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: your draft board. I mean, like, if Friar moves there,

1025
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 2: he's gonna be really attractive because we'd like a tight

1026
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: end and doesn't want to be Hunter Long or Tommy Trumble.

1027
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: You also have to remember they didn't have a fifth

1028
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: round pick that year because they had to trade a

1029
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: future pick to get into the fifth round to get

1030
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: Isaiah laudermilk Well. In the fifth round, Luke Farrell went

1031
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: with the first overall pick to Jacksonville tight end, and

1032
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: then and then Brevin Jordan went to Houston at won

1033
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: forty seven a nice player. But yah, yeah, then Noah

1034
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: Gray went to Kansas City with pick one sixty two.

1035
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: It's a bad tight end draft.

1036
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: Zach Davidson went at one sixty eight to Minnesota. Who

1037
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: else is here? We got that might be it?

1038
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 2: I mean there was a rare prospect for the day

1039
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 2: in pits, kind of like a Bowers like prospect that's

1040
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: going to go really high.

1041
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: That was it for the tight ends. Those are the

1042
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: tight ends taken in that draft.

1043
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: Bad tight end draft. I mean, Friarman was the only

1044
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: other one that's worth much anything even on draft day.

1045
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 2: To be honest with you. Now, the centers are different.

1046
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: Do you have that handy? I mean, let's call Dickerson

1047
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: a guard because everyone thought he was a guard even

1048
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: though he played center. Was Myers the first center off

1049
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: the board. They probably just listened to his interior line

1050
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: or some.

1051
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,479
Speaker 1: Of them have listed as centers. Some of them have, Yeah,

1052
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: but Myers Myers was the first true center taken. Humphrey

1053
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: went with the next pick. He was just listed as an.

1054
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: Offensive and then there was a couple more between that

1055
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: and Kendrick Green. I think there was like five total

1056
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: that went on Day two.

1057
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: I'm looking here.

1058
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: I think some of the names that went in that draft.

1059
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: Wyatt Davis went to Minnesota.

1060
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a guard though out of Ohio State.

1061
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: I thought maybe I'm wrong on that. I thought there

1062
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: was more.

1063
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: And then went Green went in eighty seven.

1064
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: Okay, well, maybe there's a center after him, because I

1065
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: remember thinking in that center class there was four or

1066
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: five that fit the bill, including Green who didn't work out.

1067
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: They don't know w Quinn Quinn Miners was when he

1068
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: was yellow.

1069
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's been quite good. Yeah, but yeah

1070
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: he was.

1071
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: But he's not playing center.

1072
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: No right or right right, and I don't know how

1073
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: why that is. I mean maybe he's not a center either.

1074
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's that's James Hodson went to Cleveland

1075
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: at Drew Dolman went to Atlanta. Yeah, one fourteen. He's

1076
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: kind of a backup.

1077
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I mean he I didn't look at

1078
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 2: him as a starter when when that draft was coming around.

1079
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean at the end of the day, you know,

1080
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: that was considered a good center draft, and you get

1081
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: two starting centers basically in the second They both went

1082
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: in the second round. At the end of the second.

1083
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: Round, Myers and Humphrey. Yeah, yeah, I mean.

1084
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: Miners is a guard. Yeah, Dan Moore might be a

1085
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: I'm sorrying Green. Kendrick Green might be a guard.

1086
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: He was playing some guard and starts. See, I think

1087
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: he was a guard in the before he got hurt. Yeah.

1088
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: And so again, I mean it's easy to say, boy,

1089
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: they should have taken Creed Humphrey, but he wasn't. He

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Speaker 2: is picked to like fifty.

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't have slam dunk. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, And this is a weird thing and that shouldn't

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Speaker 2: influence anyone. But there's also a prejudicing.

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Speaker 1: He's picked sixty three.

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Speaker 2: By sixty three, I was saying, he's like fifty two.

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Speaker 2: People don't like left handed centers, which is weird. But

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Speaker 2: I think Mahomes is adapted just fine, you know. But

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Speaker 2: that's not as a little bit of a negative. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but he was not considered a super prospect.

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Speaker 1: No. I mean again, if Kansas City thought that he

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Speaker 1: was a super prospect, they would have taken him at

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Speaker 1: fifty eight when they picked. When they took Nick Bolton,

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Speaker 1: they were taking the chance say hey, we can wait

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Speaker 1: and get Nick Bolton at sixty three. We got to

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Speaker 1: have Creed Humphrey. We think he's an all pro center.

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Speaker 2: YEP, and draft history will show you this, like crazy

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Speaker 2: that some of the best guard centers, not the fanicas

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Speaker 2: that are always going to go in the first round,

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Speaker 2: they go right at the top of the second round.

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Speaker 2: You know, like, I'm not going to quite give him

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Speaker 2: the first round. And because it's not a hard position

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Speaker 2: to find, but I'm a bad team picking up the

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Speaker 2: rich to top a round two in the top eight picks.

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Speaker 2: That guy's a plug and play dude for me, Like

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Speaker 2: Amelia with the Rams, he was their first pick. Plug

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Speaker 2: him in the guard. He's a solid starter. I'll probably

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Speaker 2: pick up a fift your option and everyone's happy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's a lot where those guys go. He didn't go.

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Speaker 1: There's been a plug and play guy for them at

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Speaker 1: tight end. I can't say that it was a bad pick.

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Speaker 2: It's not a bad pick.

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Speaker 1: I just can't, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if they offered you Creed Humphrey straight up

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Speaker 2: for friar Mouth right now, I'd probably say yes. But

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Speaker 2: that's not how the world works. You don't get to

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Speaker 2: look at three years of film and then make that decision.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't make Firemuth a bad pick at all. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's a guy, I want to extend.

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Speaker 1: There's and there's no guarantee that had had they plugged

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Speaker 1: Creed Humphrey into the middle of that.

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Speaker 2: Line work, right, he's not playing with Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, he doesn't have the two at that point,

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Speaker 1: they didn't have the two stud guards beside him, which

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Speaker 1: they know.

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Speaker 2: The right after they signed to Andy and the kid

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Speaker 2: from Tennessee, the right guard turned into be a good

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Speaker 2: player for them in the next draft. Yeah, so anyways,

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Speaker 2: but people think people don't look at that draft logically necessarily.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening

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