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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move to stacks. DJ Buck

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Speaker 1: back with you, Buck. What is going on?

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Speaker 2: Man? Not too much? DJ love the response to the

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Speaker 2: ranking of the product. I've seen some aggregators have picked

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Speaker 2: up some of the conversations that we've had. That is

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Speaker 2: we've seen around the league and how you kind of

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Speaker 2: we do the tabulations to begin to talk about which

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Speaker 2: teams are really gonna be in the conversation to be

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Speaker 2: title contenders, because we know it's formulaic, but typically if

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Speaker 2: you rank, you start winning the little battles. Is gonna

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Speaker 1: No doubt, and we will, you know, we will knock

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Speaker 1: out the head coaches on tomorrow's episode. Today we're going

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Speaker 1: to tackle the secondary. We've already got the skill players

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Speaker 1: those episodes if you've missed them. So before we get

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Speaker 1: to those secondary discussion, ranking these by division. Buck, I

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Speaker 1: did want to tell you I've got uh, I've got

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Speaker 1: I watched, I felt like I had to. I did

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Speaker 1: and Uh, interesting, man, you can find the evaluation. I'll

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way to answer that. Let's get

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go with Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Cincinnati in order.

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Speaker 1: Manda Man, Yeah, I just look, you gotta flush the

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Speaker 1: But I have him at four Pittsburgh at one is

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a theme that we've had throughout this offseason.

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Speaker 1: freaking smart. Man. Like, you're starting to look at these

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, intelligence is one of those things that, look,

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Speaker 2: you have a smart team, like the smart teams are

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Speaker 2: They kind of understand how to eliminate the dbos that

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Speaker 1: Yep, no doubt. All right, let's get to the AFC

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Speaker 2: You know, really well, yeah, really interesting look, man, I

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Speaker 2: when you continue to look at these personnel groupings. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had it the same with Houston one. I

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Speaker 1: But with McCreary, Elijah Moulten, Amani Hooker, Chadobia Lucy, those

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Speaker 1: They've been able to do that without dedicating a ton

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Speaker 2: Yeah. What what they've done is they've said, like like

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Speaker 2: there's three number ones right there. Yeah, it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: So AFC West, I go to Kansas City Chiefs, the

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Speaker 1: That's the first time in a minute we are literally identical.

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Speaker 2: need be. I can't say that for any other corner

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Speaker 2: up in that top elk in terms of being a

432
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Speaker 2: plus outside and inside and knowing that, Yeah, I can

433
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 2: talk about like we talked about Jalen Ramsey and all that,

434
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,360
Speaker 2: but I will say this, he's in the twilight, he's

435
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Speaker 2: in the back nine of his career. Trim McDuffie is

436
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 2: just getting into his prime. So that's why I would

437
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Speaker 2: take Trim McDuffie. Like at the top of the board.

438
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Speaker 2: When it comes to these corners.

439
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Speaker 1: I just struggle to find out what he can't do,

440
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,879
Speaker 1: play inside, play outside. You mean to tell me if

441
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 1: they had injuries, who you couldn't go back there and

442
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:28,360
Speaker 1: play safety? If you play anywhere on the defense, cover, tackle,

443
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 1: blitz the intelligence like I don't know what the knock

444
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 1: is there, like what he doesn't possess. And that's why

445
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 1: I'm just like, man, it's yeah, And you talk to

446
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,439
Speaker 1: folks around the league, they know how good he is.

447
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Speaker 1: So I'm with you on Casey. I had the exact

448
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 1: same order the Chargers. I mentioned it. I think I

449
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 1: mentioned it a little while ago. But a Sante Samuel

450
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,639
Speaker 1: with all the different looks they're going to give up

451
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Speaker 1: front with Jesse Minner and if they can get home

452
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Speaker 1: with the pressure. They have those three pass rushers off

453
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Speaker 1: the edge with Bosa Mack and with tweet Polo two,

454
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Speaker 1: Sante Samuel can play. He can play top down and

455
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Speaker 1: just use his eyes. He's going to pick off a

456
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,439
Speaker 1: zillion balls. Now, he might give up some plays, but

457
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 1: he is going to be like his dad and he's

458
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 1: going to make a ton of plays on the football

459
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Speaker 1: provided they can have that consistent pressure. So he could

460
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Speaker 1: be one of those guys ends up in the Pro

461
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Speaker 1: Bowl this year. Derwin James. They'll get him back on track.

462
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Speaker 1: It looks like his confidence is is sky high. Bringing

463
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Speaker 1: back Lowie Gilman, who's kind of like the the the

464
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,239
Speaker 1: control officer back there with all the communication, so some

465
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Speaker 1: other issues, you know, corners, those other corner spots. They

466
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Speaker 1: need some guys to step up. But that's why I

467
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Speaker 1: had them too. And then you look at the Broncos

468
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Speaker 1: with Sir Tannas is still you know, as good as

469
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Speaker 1: there is at the corner position, and the Raiders. I

470
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Speaker 1: like a couple of their pieces, Jack Jones with the

471
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Speaker 1: plays he made last year, Nate Hobbs, feisty, tough, uh,

472
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Speaker 1: Travan merrick Is has been a solid player. But you know,

473
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Speaker 1: I think they're the they're the clear fourth in this group.

474
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, look, they have some really good players, but yeah,

475
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Speaker 2: they're they're backing it up and they have the abible

476
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 2: to do it because we saw those guys play well

477
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 2: down the stretch for them. But in terms of just

478
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Speaker 2: pure talent, I do think they fall behind the rest

479
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Speaker 2: of the pack in their division.

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Speaker 1: Let's say, quick break, we come back, we'll knock out

481
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Speaker 1: the NFC all right, buck, Let's get to the NFC here,

482
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Speaker 1: NFC East.

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was actually much harder than I thought DJ

484
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Speaker 2: when it came to ranking them, because they're talented or

485
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Speaker 2: notable names, but I don't know if their games still

486
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Speaker 2: match the name brand value that we hear on the surface.

487
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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go Cowboys, Eagles Commanders, then the New

488
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Speaker 2: York Giants. I go with the Cowboys just because, like

489
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Speaker 2: win in doubt, always tend to favor guys to get

490
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Speaker 2: their hands on the ball, right and so in the

491
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Speaker 2: back end they have two guys that specialize in getting

492
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Speaker 2: their hands on the ball, and Doron Bland and Druman Diggs.

493
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Speaker 2: The problem with that some would say that they're a

494
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Speaker 2: bit of a double agent, meaning that as much as

495
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Speaker 2: many plays as they make for the Cowboys, they surrendered

496
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Speaker 2: to the opponent. And can you rein them in in

497
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 2: a discipline defense that you don't want to allow the

498
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Speaker 2: big plays because remember, Mike Zimmer is a lot different

499
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 2: than dan Quinn. Dan Quinn is a great coach, but

500
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Speaker 2: dan Quinn allowed those guys to kind of play to

501
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Speaker 2: their personality. Mike Zimmer is not going to go for that.

502
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Speaker 2: So I got them first, But I'm admit I got

503
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Speaker 2: an asterisk back because I'm a little worried about Ron

504
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 2: Blandon Diggs being guys that can hold it down, down,

505
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: down after down without surrendering the big play.

506
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had the exact same order, So second division

507
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Speaker 1: in a row here where we agree. But I will

508
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Speaker 1: say this, at the end of the year, if we

509
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Speaker 1: were to re rank these the performance of the rookies

510
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 1: will determine the order of the of the secondaries. When

511
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Speaker 1: you look at it with the Giants with Tyler Nuban

512
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: one of the best safeties in the draft class, Drew

513
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: Phillips one of the best nickels in the draft class,

514
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: those guys are both going to play a lot for them.

515
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Speaker 1: You look at the Eagles, they tried to address that

516
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: secondary with two picks Quenon Mitchell in the first round.

517
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: They came back traded up for Cooper de john there

518
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Speaker 1: in the second round. So they're going to have a

519
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: couple guys. And then for the Commanders, Sanders still, who's

520
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: one of Red Star of the Red Stars, like leadership,

521
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: all that stuff, playmaking, intelligence, toughness. He's going to man

522
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: the nickel position for them out of Michigan and Washington.

523
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Speaker 1: So I think how all those guys play, that'll shake

524
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Speaker 1: up the order a little bit of what that looks like.

525
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Like you need your young players to play

526
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Speaker 2: and play well, and this is the league where we're

527
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Speaker 2: seeing DJ. We mentioned it like there's so many young

528
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Speaker 2: guys that are being counted on to play prominent roles

529
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Speaker 2: throughout the league and the secondary that we won't know

530
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Speaker 2: how good these teams are until we get seven, eight

531
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Speaker 2: games in and these guys get enough experience to be

532
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Speaker 2: able to really play at a higher level. But you're

533
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Speaker 2: right though, like the young guys are going to determine

534
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Speaker 2: how well these teams play down the stretch.

535
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the NFC North.

536
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Speaker 2: Another tough conversation, and right now, I have a Chicago,

537
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota, Chicago. Because you talk about Jaalen

538
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Speaker 2: Johnson being able to be a stud player. I am

539
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: a believer in Kevin Byron, in the system that allows

540
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: him to be a sea ball get ball player, Matt

541
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Speaker 2: Eberflus taking over kind of doing some of those things.

542
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: To me, it works out. And I'll say keep an

543
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Speaker 2: eye on Tyreek Stevenson. I kind of liked him when

544
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Speaker 2: he was coming out. Yeah, I think he's tough, he's physical,

545
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Speaker 2: he plays to that brand and on a team that

546
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Speaker 2: is all about hustle and sweat equity. He is the

547
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Speaker 2: worker bee that you prefer to have in.

548
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Speaker 1: The back end. Yeah, I had the same one, I

549
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: had the same four. I flipped two and three. I

550
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Speaker 1: had Detroit two, I had Green Bay three Detroit. I mean, look,

551
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: this is a young group in the secondary. When you

552
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Speaker 1: talk about resources, they've put some resources in there. So

553
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Speaker 1: they've done a nice job. They got a couple of

554
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Speaker 1: my favorite corners in the draft. When you go to

555
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: Missouri and Alabama and get two of the top corners

556
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: in this draft class, that helps. So anxious to see

557
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Speaker 1: how those rookies play. Kirby Joseph been a ball magnet

558
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: early on. Brian Branch. They've got a lot of good

559
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: young pieces that kind of all fit together. Carlton Davis

560
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: now comes over. So they've tried to address the secondary here,

561
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Speaker 1: both in the draft and in the veteran portion of

562
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Speaker 1: the offseason.

563
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the thing about the Detroit Lions is I

564
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Speaker 2: will give Aaron Glynn a ton of credit in terms

565
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Speaker 2: of shifting gears and switching his styles based on what

566
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Speaker 2: he had. I know AG for a long time. AG

567
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: wants to play man de man. They want to challenge guys.

568
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: They want to make it very, very difficult for quarterbacks

569
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Speaker 2: to fit the ball in the tight windows, but he

570
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: didn't have the personnel, so they had to morph and

571
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Speaker 2: be a little more zone centric. This offseason, they went

572
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Speaker 2: all in on getting man de man guys. And what

573
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Speaker 2: I loved about like the guys that they landed in

574
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Speaker 2: the drift about Arnold and Rick Shaw and those guys,

575
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Speaker 2: like being able to challenge. I mean, you just talk

576
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Speaker 2: about being able to line up and kind of come

577
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: after folks. I like that. I just like being able

578
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Speaker 2: to go and get it. And I think Taron Arnold's

579
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Speaker 2: going to be a guy who has an opportunity to

580
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Speaker 2: really get after.

581
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Speaker 1: A couple guys for the Packers keep an eye on

582
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: in training, a couple big physical guys at the safety

583
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: position with Ola Dappo from Oregon State and then Evan Williams.

584
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: Both those guys to me big physical players. They took

585
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: Bullard in the second round, who I thought could be

586
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: a nickel or free You can use them in a

587
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: lot of different spots out of Georgia. So they got

588
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: three guys added to their young mix, and they're a team.

589
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: When you talk about resources, you see a lot of

590
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: high picks there, especially with Alexander and Stokes. Two ones

591
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: Xavier McKinney coming over there. He was a one, so

592
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: or actually was a two, but was the best safety

593
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: in his draft class. So they've got a lot of

594
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: resources invested in that back end. The Vikings, again, we

595
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: kind of had a theme with them, a little bit

596
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: of a lopsided roster at this point in time offense

597
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: to defense. NFC Southbrook, Yeah, so NFC.

598
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: South Look I had at New Orleans, Tampa, Atlanta, in Carolina,

599
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: New Orleans. Really the thing that tips it is really

600
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 2: just the experience. I can't say that all of these

601
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: experienced players are playing at what we call a blue

602
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: chip level, but I think their experience allows them to

603
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: collectively play better than maybe the talent would suggest on paper.

604
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: Anytime you have a corner like a Marshawn Latimore that

605
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: can play, you have a ballhawk and Tyren Matthew who,

606
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 2: even though he can no longer run like he once

607
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: used to, he's always just kind of around the action.

608
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 2: But to me, the guy that is the lynch fin

609
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: is Alante Taylor, and I liked him coming out. I

610
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 2: thought he was a really pure nickel when we watched

611
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: him and evaluated him coming out of Tennessee. He is

612
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 2: kind of slided into that role and with Paulson Adebo

613
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: also kind of growing. I think the Sayings have the

614
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: making is a really good secondary.

615
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: Yep, this is a jumbled division here. I ended up

616
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: having Atlanta one on the heels of the Terrell Baits combination. There.

617
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: What those two guys bring to the table. I think

618
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: they're excellent. So I had them one. I had the

619
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Speaker 1: Bucks two. Again, Bucks have had some guys come and go,

620
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: but they know how to evaluate this position. They've got

621
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Speaker 1: a really good group there, the Saints three, the Panthers four,

622
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Speaker 1: and the Panthers four. This might be one of the

623
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: better parts of their team. It's not a bad secondary.

624
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of good pieces there. So I thought,

625
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: overall division wise, that one was tough to sort out

626
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: because I think they're pretty even. And again, I think

627
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: the division overall's pretty even, and that's reflected there in

628
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: the secondary. How about go ahead?

629
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm with you there. And I think the

630
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: thing about the Carolina look, they need a number one

631
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: corner to be available all the time. If he's available

632
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: to change is the way that we evaluate that unit.

633
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: NFC West to round us up here.

634
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: Okay, this is a challenging one, but I'm gonna go back.

635
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Seattle. I'm gonna go with the

636
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,239
Speaker 2: San Francisco forty nine ers. Then I'm gonna go with

637
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: the La Rams and the Airline Cards. And the reason

638
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks get into the mix is Leslie Fraser

639
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 2: was very optimistic about what they have and Reek Wooling,

640
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: and I'm optimistic and not only Riek Wiland, but how

641
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: about Devin Witherspoon and what he brings to the table

642
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: with Julian Love and I know ray Shon Jinks. We

643
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: both know Rashaan jink is personally. Look, he's a playmaker,

644
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: and so you put him in a defense that is

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Speaker 2: going to allow him to have some freedoms to go

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Speaker 2: go get after the ball, then just go make plays.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna do it his team in Seattle. Look, it's

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Speaker 2: not the leason to boom, but they certainly are going

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Speaker 2: to be a lockdown unit in the back end.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I had Seattle one, I had San

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Speaker 1: Francisco two, I had Arizona three, and I had the

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Speaker 1: Rams four. Three and four to me was really really close,

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Speaker 1: and I ended up going with Arizona. A couple reasons here.

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Speaker 1: I love the young guys that they have. Max Melton

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Speaker 1: was one of my favorite players out of Rutgers. They

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Speaker 1: got in the second round. Again, they had so many

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Speaker 1: draft picks. When we go through all these position groups,

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Speaker 1: they're going to rely on a lot of these rookies.

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Speaker 1: But he's in the mix. You got Taylor Demerson who

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Speaker 1: they got in the fourth round, who can make a

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Speaker 1: lot of plays in the back end. We'll see if

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Speaker 1: he can get in the mix there. Elijah Jones, Jaden Davis,

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Speaker 1: a couple more rookie corners. You know, Buddha Baker feels

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Speaker 1: like he's been in the league for one hundred years still.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just seventeen when he came to the league,

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Speaker 1: but it feels like so much longer than that. But

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Speaker 1: I like their good young pieces there. Garrett Williams of

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Speaker 1: Talented Nickel at of Syracuse that they got in the

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Speaker 1: third round in the previous year. So I think them

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Speaker 1: and the Rams, I think the benefit of that is

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Speaker 1: they've got two really good teaching staffs. They've got a

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Speaker 1: lot of young players, and we'll see, you know, how

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Speaker 1: they continue to grow and develop. Also, a big fan

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Speaker 1: of Quentin Lake, who we got to know a little

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Speaker 1: bit in the offseason and we got a chance to

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Speaker 1: visit with him. I think that's a big year for

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Speaker 1: him with the Rams as he kind of emerges as

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Speaker 1: a good young player to go along with Camp Kitchens,

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Speaker 1: who they've got in the third round. So again, very close,

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Speaker 1: very close there. But I do think there's a gap

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Speaker 1: between the first two Seattle San Francisco, and then I

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Speaker 1: think after that you can play around with the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: and the Rams in terms of who you like better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, look, the gap is there, But at the beginning,

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Speaker 2: I believe this goes back to the conversation that we've

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Speaker 2: had with Leslie. Whatever. If they can get this Seattle

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Speaker 2: secondary to play at a high level, this is going

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Speaker 2: to push them back into that conversation, not only when

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Speaker 2: in the division, kind of get into mix, maybe do

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Speaker 2: some damage in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: No doubt. All right, well that's going to do it

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Speaker 1: for us. We're going to come back tomorrow. Another episode

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Speaker 1: will be a shorter episode where we will rank the

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Speaker 1: head coaches and we'll have a summary of this little

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Speaker 1: project that we took on here. So be on the

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Speaker 1: look out for that. We'll see it next time. Right

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Speaker 1: here on move the stick m