WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Booth Podcast: You Got What I Need 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.519 Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:13.640 the Bengals Booth podcast, the You You Got What I Need? Edition, 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.360 As my broadcast partner Dave Lapham joins me to discuss 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:21.040 the Bengals biggest needs going into the draft. He'll rank 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.040 them from number five to number one. Also coming up 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:28.320 on this edition, we'll hear from Bengals President Mike Brown 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:31.840 on the great Forest Greg who passed away last week 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:34.879 at the age of eighty five. And in our fun 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:38.160 fact segment, I'll visit with a two hundred and fifteenth 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:42.520 pick in the nineteen eighty seven NFL Draft who became 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.559 a starter on the Bengal second Super Bowl team and 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:51.080 later an outstanding NFL broadcaster. All of that is straight ahead, 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:53.680 but first, here's a quick reminder that you can have 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:58.360 the latest edition of this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:02.800 or computer by some scribing on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:08.080 or pod Bean. It's the greatest invention since auto correction, 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:13.959 that useful tool commonly found on computer keyboards and smartphones 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:19.039 to fix spelling errors. It's almost always helpful, except when 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.320 I reach out to my friends the Mortons and call 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:27.800 them the morons. Now, let's get to football. Last week, 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:29.959 we learned of the passing of one of the greatest 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:34.200 figures in Bengal's history, Forrest Greg. He was a Hall 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.640 of Fame player, a nine time Pro Bowl offensive tackle 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:40.560 with the Green Bay Packers and Dallas Cowboys, who was 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:44.440 named to the NFL seventy fifth Anniversary Team. Green Bay 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.240 coach Vince Lombardi once called Forrest the best player I 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:52.000 ever coached. He came to Cincinnati in December of nineteen 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.040 seventy nine at the age of forty six, after the 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.960 team had gone four and twelve under Homer Rice. Two 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.280 seasons later, the Bengals were twelve and four and on 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.960 their way to their first Super Bowl. Over the years, 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:09.480 I've talked to Bengals President Mike Brown on several occasions 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:13.600 about Forrest Greg. Here are a few of the questions 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.239 and answers. Today we're going to look at some of 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.639 the great coaches, head coaches, and assistant coaches in Bengals history. 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.960 With Mike Brown. Let's start with Forrest Greg. When I 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.320 say that name, what immediately comes to mind probably for 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.960 me something altogether different than for the normal fans. Forrest 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.079 and I are good friends. But we were friends when 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:38.600 he was here. He is still a good friend. He's retired. 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:43.800 He lives out in Colorado Springs, Barbara, and he The 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.720 thing about Forrest as a coach that sticks as in 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:53.160 my mind is how he was perceived by the players. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:58.959 He had been a great player himself. He presented a 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:04.240 daunting presence. He was a big, powerful man, and even 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.800 the players would have thought twice about challenging him in 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:13.280 any way physically, including He was thought of as a 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:20.600 disciplinarian by the players, as a hard taskmaster, and he 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:26.240 was privately anything but that. He was a sweet, gentle person. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.720 I'm very fond of him. But he did a great 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.800 job for us. He got us to the Super Bowl, 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:38.480 and really it's a shame that we didn't win that game, 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:40.760 and my heart of hearts, we were the better team 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.400 that day, but we managed to fumble the ball away 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:49.440 and lose. I think of Forrest a lot, and I've 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:53.280 tried to explain that it goes beyond just the coaching part. 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.480 I read Forest Gregg's biography recently, and he described coming 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:00.440 to Cincinnati to interview for the head coaching job. Took 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.360 place at your father's house and three people were there, Forrest, 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.960 your dad, and you. What do you remember about that meeting? 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:16.760 I hate to tell you nothing, but I remember Forrest 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:23.040 so very well. He is a dear friend. When he 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:29.560 coached here, we were social friends. Barbara, Forrest and Nancy 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:33.640 and I and our friend friends Jack and Lynn Schiff 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:38.400 would go out every Friday night and we had wonderful 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:42.160 times together. It wasn't anything fancy, but it was just 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.520 good fun for middle aged people, which is what we 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:49.320 were then. I have a fondness for for Ust that 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.680 runs deep within me. He was a very successful coach here. 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.359 He had a presence about him. The players respected him. 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:01.000 They jumped when he said boo, and that was good. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.159 I'm glad you mentioned your friendship because he mentioned something 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.880 in his book. I have a hard time believing he said, 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.080 the two of you once went to see the movie Porkies. 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.880 Do you remember that? I do. It was a lousy 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:20.320 movie in my fad, Jack shiffliked, which I used reflected 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:25.640 on his standards. That was the kind of thing that 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:30.600 we used to do together, Forrest, Jack and our wives 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.640 and me. It was fun. The Bengals have had nine 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.400 head coaches prior to Zach Taylor and Forrest Gregg has 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.760 the highest career winning percentage. Time to turn our attention 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.279 to the NFL Draft. It gets under way next Thursday, 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:49.960 April twenty fifth, and the Bengals have eleven selections, including 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.880 number eleven overall. Here's hoping they do as well as 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.480 the Houston Texans did in two thousand and eleven when 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:02.480 they selected J. J. Watt with eleventh overall pick. So 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.760 what are the Bengals biggest needs? I asked my broadcast 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.360 partner Dave Lapham to count them down. Lap Today, we're 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.080 really going to start building up to the draft by 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.120 looking at the Bengals biggest needs. I have asked you 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.720 to come up with your top five and we are 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:21.040 going to build up from the fifth biggest need to 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:25.360 the biggest need. So let's get started with Dave Lapham's 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.440 number five biggest need leading up to the draft. Well, 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:32.720 I think I was thinking outside cornerback, you know, for 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.560 you can never have enough of those, But due to 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:40.120 Mark Walton's problems in him being released from the team, 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:44.080 I think maybe the fifth need might be a running 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.160 back at some point, not early in the draft, but 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.960 addressed that running back position with maybe one or more 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.440 of their multiple six round picks that they've got, because 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:57.240 you know, Joe Mixon led the AFC and rushing obviously, 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:59.720 and you knock on wood that he stays totally healthy. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.200 Giovanni Bernard's starting to get up there a little bit 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:04.960 in terms of life expectancy of a running back, and 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.520 he's had, you know, some injury history. So I'd probably 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.000 go with the running back position, maybe at number five 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.840 now based on what took place with Mark Walton and 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.760 and I really do think that Zach Taylor sent a message, 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.040 you know, and I think a very positive one to 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:25.119 his football team basically, you know, loose translation, you guys 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.040 that are out there doing things right and working toward uh, 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.680 you know, the common goal and it's all about us, 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.200 as his slogan can't be about an individual, you know, 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.760 in his mind, Mark Walton didn't fit that and let 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:38.800 him go. So I feel the same way about Vontez. 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:41.800 You know, I think that more football. I think I 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.960 think it ended up being more football. You know. I 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:49.200 think it's interesting when when you're in a situation when 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.640 a new coaching staff comes in, I think every player 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.640 and I asked Aj Green this earlier in the locker room. 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:57.560 You know, as great as you are, do you still 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.880 feel like I'm back at square one? Because it's a 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.560 new evaluation by new eyes. And of course you knew 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.120 AJ was going to answer like like that, Yes, I'm 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:09.320 you know, but he's a true professional. But sometimes when 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.640 coaches that have been around a long time with players 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.360 look at a guy on tape, they're not looking at 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.840 how he's playing. As much as they like him. There's 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.280 such a relationship there that a john just how he's playing, 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:22.480 and a fresh set of ice come in and they 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.120 put the tape on and what, you know, one set 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.480 of coaches thought was a good play or adequate play. 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.080 Another set of coaches might be like what And it's 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.439 because they don't know anything about the guy, nothing about 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.920 his personality. And sometimes that's hard to separate. It's very 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.480 hard to separate, particularly, you know, when you've been around 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.920 a guy for a long time and at some point 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.920 in time he has been productive for you. So that 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:47.760 that that's an interesting one. But I do think I 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:52.280 do think that the contribution to the amount of money 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:56.320 paid Codd Vantes birth would probably a little bit talk 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.199 about a disappointment. Mark Walton did not work out at 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:03.120 all obvious lead. The off field problems ultimately doomed him 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:07.000 in Cincinnati, but did not produce as a runner or 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:10.240 as a receiver. And while he contributed on special teams, 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.040 he was not this special team star that we were 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.160 led to believe that he might turn out to be. 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.440 And I wonder if some of these problems are cropped up, 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.240 might have been issues. You know, obviously he was running 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.600 with the wrong crowd. You know, you go to University 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.000 of Miami, there has to be a group of positive 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.480 influences that you can lean on. And all he was 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:33.120 leaning on was obviously negative influences. Be packing the gun 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:37.160 he's packing. I mean, come on, and and you're probably 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.000 in the same boat. Dan, I'm you know, I'm approaching 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.640 sixty seven years old. I've never been arrested. Dude was 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.520 arrested three times for three months. Come on, you know, 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.680 somebody in his life has to stay after the first 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.600 mess up? Okay, come on, Mark, you know, let's let's 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.400 straight after number two. It's like, dude, you're not getting this. 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:54.640 You're not figuring this out. Come on, there's going to 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:58.079 be an intervention here and then a trifecta. I mean, 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:02.040 something's wrong there, and I'm more worried about him as 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.680 a person than a football player. Really at this point, 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:07.920 you go three times in three months, that's a bad 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:12.400 that's a bad show. Do speeding tickets count where I'm concerned? No, 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.680 not speeding tick. It has it has to be, you know, 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:17.959 up against the car, spread him, up against the wall, 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.680 spread them. Well. You know one thing we've learned about 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.400 the Bengals in recent years. You can get running backs 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.320 late in the draft or even as undrafted free agents. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.559 Rex Burkhead was a late pick turned out to be 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.480 a great NFL player. Trey Carson I think would have 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.760 worked out okay as a third running back had he 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.520 stayed with the Bengals long term. So, whether they use 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.800 one of those sixth round picks or potentially earlier or 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.880 obviously they're going to bring in undrafted free agents of 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.480 that position, they're certainly going to add to that position 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.800 group a sixth round pick that I can think of 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.640 that scored a touchdown the Super Bowl. Rex Burkhead, Cincinnati Bengals, 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.680 not bad. I agree with you. You're gonna be able 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.559 to find somebody that that's going to be able to 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.760 make a contribution. From football for sure, no doubt. All right, 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:06.120 so number five position of need running back? How about 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:10.240 the number four position of need, probably defensive tackle. You know, 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.640 I'm thinking with Ryan Glasgow with the injury, you just 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.480 never know. He seems like he's coming back tremendously. I 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:21.160 mean he's and I'm gonna say he is, He's gonna 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.760 come back one hundred percent or maybe even better. That's 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.199 just the kind of guy he is. I mean, he's 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.120 he's got a tremendous work ethic. He's blue collar, lunch pail, 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:32.080 all those cliches. I mean he basically he turned himself 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.960 down to like right around two hundred and eighty pounds 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.600 to put less stress on his knee as he's rehabbing. 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.040 And I mean he does everything right. He's a smart guy, 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.160 he's a he's a tough football player. But you know, 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.880 you know, Billings has been erratic, has been up and down, 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.560 his play has been spotty. He's a fourth round pick 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.520 coming in, you know, Glasgow nut, you know, a first 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.000 or second round pick, or first day or second day 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.320 pick either. So I mean those guys have panned out. 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:04.040 But to me, I guess I'd probably wouldn't wouldn't bother 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.600 me if they drafted another interior defensive lineman, more of 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.440 the run stuffer, you know, mentality to go along with 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.400 the geno Atkins of the world. Can you find a 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:18.800 mammoth guy at that spot, because I guess they've Josh 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.160 Tupo kind of fits that description, but they haven't had 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:26.640 that immovable, immovable object type of guy in the middle right, 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.080 And that's what you're thinking. And you know, Josh is 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:30.920 one of those kind of guys. He's he's he's hard 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:32.840 to knock off the ball, He's got really good balance. 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.000 You know, he's a he's a big man obviously. Um, 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.480 but somebody of that ilk for sure, I could see them, um, 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.320 you know, as there's their fourth need maybe going in 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:47.079 that area. All right, running back, defensive tackle, what's next? 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:49.920 You know, I'm thinking you may have to think about 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:54.840 a tight end. You know, Um, obviously you have the 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.679 tight end you lose Tyler Croft, uh to the to 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:02.200 the Buffalo Bills, Tyler or Effort. You know, it's like, man, 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:06.360 is this the year where it's finally gonna football? Gods 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.160 are gonna leave alone and he can stay healthy because 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.280 you know we talked earlier in the in the day 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:15.000 with him about this um. This offense potentially that is 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.040 being assembled is going to be very tight end friendly, 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.360 and having a weapon like him, you make your offense 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:26.040 tight end friendly because he's he's basically you know, I 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.200 think tight ends of loose interpretation of what he gives you. 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:31.839 He can he can play in the slide, he can 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.520 play in the widest receiver in the formation. He runs 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.200 routes like a wide receiver. The dude is a big 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.360 wide out, is what he is. He can run the 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.280 route tree as well as a lot of wide receivers 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.160 in the National Football League. Plus he could win healthy. 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:46.760 He can still you know, block at the end of 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:48.880 the line of scrimmage. So I mean, you know, I 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:53.600 think you're always uh, you know, looking for an insurance 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.680 policy there shrek. Obviously, you know he got hurt down 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.160 the stretch. C J. Zama got his got his deal done. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.480 But you know, it would not surprise me if they 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:07.160 go for a tight end somewhere in the middle of 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.679 the late rounds of the drafts as a need. At 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.000 that point, I think they've got to the Other thing 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.200 about Eifford is not only is it impossible to know 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:16.880 how many games he's going to play because of his 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.400 injury history. But it's only a one year deal, so 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.760 who knows what's going to happen. What if he stays 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:26.280 healthy and has a thousand yards in fifteen touchdowns exactly? 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.200 You know, it's it's a show me year. And he 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.000 has shown me a year last year and obviously had 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.600 the tragic injury. It's another show me year. And if 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:35.920 it goes the other way and he shows the league, 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.440 it don't be a hot commodity, no question about it. Now, 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.040 they'll always with his injury history, they'll always be like, 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.160 oh jeeves, do we commit those kind of dollars? And 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.440 you know, is the one year of health a blip? 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.240 Isn't an operation? Is? You know, this is the history, 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:55.160 this is the trend. Is this the anomaly? So teams 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.880 have to make that kind of a decision. But yeah, 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.680 I mean, man, if he puts it together, though it 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.800 has a huge year, Bengals are in good shape. They're 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.000 in high cotton because that that position group. I still 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.920 feel like when the New England Patriots had there are 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:14.560 two tight ends. Working with with gronk uh in the murderer, 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.520 God Rest his soul. I don't know where he's resting, 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.480 and probably in Hell, but at any rate, Hernand is 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:25.320 in Gronk. That that was incredible. I mean that that 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:29.119 was a very very difficult package to deal with. And 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:33.480 I think, you know, sometimes contrarian thinking and approach can 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.760 be the way to go. Everybody's spreading out now and 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:37.640 doing all those But if you have two tight ends 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.720 on the football field that are adequate enough blockers, but 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.000 you can put anywhere in your formation and throw it. 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.080 And her name was they had running the ball. I mean, 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:46.480 the dude was running the ball and everything. I mean, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.880 it was ridiculous. And if you've got athletic tight ends 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.680 like these guys could be, that could be very very 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:58.560 interesting for the Bengals. Running back, defensive tackle, and tight end. 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.760 We are up to the bengals number two positional need 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.960 going into the draft. Yeah, I mean, i'd have to 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.800 say offensive line. I'd have to say offensive line and linebacker, 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.200 or you know, kind of one and one A. So 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.720 they're two and one. But you know, let's talk about 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.880 the offensive line. I think at this at this point, um, 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.320 you know, and I do think they're gonna have to 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.200 address it in the draft. Do I think they addressed 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.840 it at number eleven. I really don't because when I 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.800 look at the top guys, every guy has a hole 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:30.240 in his play. There's not a Munios, there's not a Baselli, 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.680 there's not a like you know, Orlando PACER's not like, 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.360 oh my gosh, man, they wouldn't make it to eleven anyway. 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.880 But I think I think when they get to eleven, 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.840 there'll be other options on the board besides those tackles 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:47.520 that they'll have rated higher on their board, because I 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.040 think you're gonna be able to get a quality tackle 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.600 um early two, which you know they're in the early 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:58.000 stages and even into the third round, so I think 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.280 they're gonna I think they're gonna wait and not not 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:07.800 necessarily go there at that point. So tackle specifically, not 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.399 just O line in general, but tackle specifically is the 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.280 number two neat I'd say old line, you know, in general, 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.320 highlighted by by the tackle. But I mean there are 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.040 some good guards in this draft. You know, Chris Linstrom 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.920 from Boston College. I think I think it's a pretty 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.080 pretty darn good guard. Jonah Williams can play center or 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.879 guard out of Alabama, and he's like a Clint bowling. 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.160 You could get not just a game, you could get 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.360 four games out of him if you'd kick him out 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.359 to tackle. I think he'd be a heck of a center. 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.639 I think he should be a really good guard, you know. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.520 I think he hears you a lot of position versatility. Um. 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.280 I think Chris Linstrom from Boston College is another guard that's, 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.600 you know, pretty good quality. I'd say he's a late 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.000 one early too. No, none of these guys are worth 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.680 in eleven in my estimation, but there are a lot 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.359 of guys that are you know, first round, late first, 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.879 early second. You know, all through the second into the 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.239 early third, there's there's a myriad of lineman that they 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.760 can go to. I really think, like we talked about before, Dan, 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.320 this draft fits a lot of a lot of teams 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:06.679 needs because a lot of teams have needs like the Bengals, 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.120 but the Bengals have front seven, defensive needs and offensive 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.679 line needs. In this draft is really deep at those 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.119 I'm not saying they're omega stars at every one of 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:19.240 the positions, but you know, well passed the first round, 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.880 you're gonna get a damn good football player to address 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.480 those areas where they do have needs and therefore, linebacker 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.800 is the number one need. I think linebacker. You know, 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:30.919 if there's a position on the team that I think 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.119 they're going to double down on in the draft, I 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.520 think it's going to be linebacker. And like we talked 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:40.159 about before, you know, the two devons and all of 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.919 this for the eleventh pick of the draft could be 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.479 trump by. In my mind, if there's an edge rusher, 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.720 you take them. If there's an edge rusher that you 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.800 have rated higher, and it might be one of these linebackers. 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.040 You know, some of these they're quote you know, they're 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.960 they're rush guys, but they're in the draft. They're like 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.639 linebackers instead of defensive ends. But I'm talking about an 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:03.200 edge rush guy because Dan, in this era of throwing 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:07.280 the football, you know, there are two ways to two 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.480 ways to help prevent it. You're gonna have to hurry 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.600 the quarterback up, make him hurry his reads and hope 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.560 he makes a mistake. The way to do that is 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.359 by a good pass rush. And then to compound that, 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.600 if you have really good options up front, you have 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:25.679 multiple weapons. They start doubling people. There's less guys that 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:27.919 they're going to send out in routes. So your coverage 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.280 percentages jump up. So it starts, in my estimation, it 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:33.399 always starts with a good edge rush or a good 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.200 rush in general upfront, because if you have to keep, 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.800 you know, if you can't get away with ever leaving 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.560 five in, you have to go six, sometimes seven and 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.960 max protect. I mean you've you've lightened the burden in 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:49.320 the back end immensely, and so's it starts there. I mean, 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.240 if you can get a cover corner, great, but if 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.760 you can get an edge rusher, that is a difference maker. 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.399 I think, I think that trumps everything, even though it 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.040 might not be a clearing need based on how Carl 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:04.400 Lawson comes back and say, you know, if if if 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.600 you don't find a guy that drops to number eleven, 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:08.800 you do have Karl Lawson coming back from his torn 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:13.240 acl exactly exactly. But here's four defensive linemen. I think 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.919 Nick Boss long gone. I think Montes sweat out of 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.520 Mississippi State. I mean, the dude six six two forty 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.639 plus and ran a four four. I'd be surprised if 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:30.440 he's there. But Jared Allen, excuse me, Josh Allen, Jared 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:34.920 anlands a quarterback. Josh Allen sixty four two sixty five 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:38.720 four sixty five forty and he was a fifty fifty 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.000 rush guy at Kentucky. I mean they had him, you know, 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:47.000 playing true linebacker, seventeen sacks in the SEC. That's production, man. 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.000 I mean, if that guy's there, I'd really think about that. 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:53.480 At eleven, I'd really be there. Won't be there, yeah, 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:56.200 and then rush on Gary out of Michigan. That'd be 0:20:56.280 --> 0:21:00.760 my fourth guy. And he might be because watching early 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:05.040 tape on him, it's like whoa. But last year somebody 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:08.160 got in his ear and he was playing to survive, 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:11.400 survive in advance to the draft, and I you know, 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.440 to me, the fact that he didn't get hurt, he's 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.040 fortunate because that's how you do get hurt. But he 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:18.719 was just getting through it. It looked like to me 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:20.600 he didn't even look a lot of times like the 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:24.600 same guy. But this dude man sixty four plus two 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:28.480 eighty seven four sixty nine. I mean that's that's a 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:33.440 freakazoid athletically. So if he's there at eleven, you got 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:37.159 to think about that. If Devin White's there at eleven, boom, 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:40.160 I'm on him as well. Now, Devin Bush, the other 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.360 Devin He's the one that as I'm looking at him 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:47.160 and talk to people around the league about him, there's 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.880 a fifty fifty split a lot of some some people 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.680 are like, man, he's just so small, and he is small. 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.280 I mean it's five eleven, two undred thirty pounds, and 0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:00.320 you know, Devin and White runs faster at six arty, 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.200 but he's still plenty fast at four six five. And 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.080 all I can say is, I played against Sam Mills 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:13.560 in the USFL. I don't care that that that played 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:17.160 against him just left an everlasting imprint in my mind. 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:19.080 And it ain't the size of the dog in the fight, 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:22.040 the size of the fighting the dog. That dude, he 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.920 knew what his limitations were. He knew that he didn't 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:27.520