1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast, the You You Got What I Need? Edition, 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: As my broadcast partner Dave Lapham joins me to discuss 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: the Bengals biggest needs going into the draft. He'll rank 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: them from number five to number one. Also coming up 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: on this edition, we'll hear from Bengals President Mike Brown 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: on the great Forest Greg who passed away last week 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: at the age of eighty five. And in our fun 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: fact segment, I'll visit with a two hundred and fifteenth 10 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: pick in the nineteen eighty seven NFL Draft who became 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: a starter on the Bengal second Super Bowl team and 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: later an outstanding NFL broadcaster. All of that is straight ahead, 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: but first, here's a quick reminder that you can have 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: the latest edition of this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, 15 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: or computer by some scribing on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, 16 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: or pod Bean. It's the greatest invention since auto correction, 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: that useful tool commonly found on computer keyboards and smartphones 18 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: to fix spelling errors. It's almost always helpful, except when 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: I reach out to my friends the Mortons and call 20 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: them the morons. Now, let's get to football. Last week, 21 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: we learned of the passing of one of the greatest 22 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: figures in Bengal's history, Forrest Greg. He was a Hall 23 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: of Fame player, a nine time Pro Bowl offensive tackle 24 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: with the Green Bay Packers and Dallas Cowboys, who was 25 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: named to the NFL seventy fifth Anniversary Team. Green Bay 26 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: coach Vince Lombardi once called Forrest the best player I 27 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: ever coached. He came to Cincinnati in December of nineteen 28 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: seventy nine at the age of forty six, after the 29 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: team had gone four and twelve under Homer Rice. Two 30 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: seasons later, the Bengals were twelve and four and on 31 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: their way to their first Super Bowl. Over the years, 32 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: I've talked to Bengals President Mike Brown on several occasions 33 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: about Forrest Greg. Here are a few of the questions 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: and answers. Today we're going to look at some of 35 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: the great coaches, head coaches, and assistant coaches in Bengals history. 36 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: With Mike Brown. Let's start with Forrest Greg. When I 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: say that name, what immediately comes to mind probably for 38 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: me something altogether different than for the normal fans. Forrest 39 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: and I are good friends. But we were friends when 40 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: he was here. He is still a good friend. He's retired. 41 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: He lives out in Colorado Springs, Barbara, and he The 42 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: thing about Forrest as a coach that sticks as in 43 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: my mind is how he was perceived by the players. 44 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: He had been a great player himself. He presented a 45 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: daunting presence. He was a big, powerful man, and even 46 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: the players would have thought twice about challenging him in 47 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: any way physically, including He was thought of as a 48 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: disciplinarian by the players, as a hard taskmaster, and he 49 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: was privately anything but that. He was a sweet, gentle person. 50 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: I'm very fond of him. But he did a great 51 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: job for us. He got us to the Super Bowl, 52 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: and really it's a shame that we didn't win that game, 53 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: and my heart of hearts, we were the better team 54 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: that day, but we managed to fumble the ball away 55 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: and lose. I think of Forrest a lot, and I've 56 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: tried to explain that it goes beyond just the coaching part. 57 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: I read Forest Gregg's biography recently, and he described coming 58 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: to Cincinnati to interview for the head coaching job. Took 59 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: place at your father's house and three people were there, Forrest, 60 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: your dad, and you. What do you remember about that meeting? 61 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: I hate to tell you nothing, but I remember Forrest 62 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: so very well. He is a dear friend. When he 63 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: coached here, we were social friends. Barbara, Forrest and Nancy 64 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: and I and our friend friends Jack and Lynn Schiff 65 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: would go out every Friday night and we had wonderful 66 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: times together. It wasn't anything fancy, but it was just 67 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: good fun for middle aged people, which is what we 68 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: were then. I have a fondness for for Ust that 69 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: runs deep within me. He was a very successful coach here. 70 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: He had a presence about him. The players respected him. 71 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: They jumped when he said boo, and that was good. 72 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned your friendship because he mentioned something 73 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: in his book. I have a hard time believing he said, 74 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: the two of you once went to see the movie Porkies. 75 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: Do you remember that? I do. It was a lousy 76 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: movie in my fad, Jack shiffliked, which I used reflected 77 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: on his standards. That was the kind of thing that 78 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: we used to do together, Forrest, Jack and our wives 79 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: and me. It was fun. The Bengals have had nine 80 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: head coaches prior to Zach Taylor and Forrest Gregg has 81 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: the highest career winning percentage. Time to turn our attention 82 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: to the NFL Draft. It gets under way next Thursday, 83 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: April twenty fifth, and the Bengals have eleven selections, including 84 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: number eleven overall. Here's hoping they do as well as 85 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: the Houston Texans did in two thousand and eleven when 86 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: they selected J. J. Watt with eleventh overall pick. So 87 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: what are the Bengals biggest needs? I asked my broadcast 88 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: partner Dave Lapham to count them down. Lap Today, we're 89 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: really going to start building up to the draft by 90 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: looking at the Bengals biggest needs. I have asked you 91 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: to come up with your top five and we are 92 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: going to build up from the fifth biggest need to 93 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: the biggest need. So let's get started with Dave Lapham's 94 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: number five biggest need leading up to the draft. Well, 95 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: I think I was thinking outside cornerback, you know, for 96 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: you can never have enough of those, But due to 97 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: Mark Walton's problems in him being released from the team, 98 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: I think maybe the fifth need might be a running 99 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: back at some point, not early in the draft, but 100 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: addressed that running back position with maybe one or more 101 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: of their multiple six round picks that they've got, because 102 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, Joe Mixon led the AFC and rushing obviously, 103 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: and you knock on wood that he stays totally healthy. 104 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: Giovanni Bernard's starting to get up there a little bit 105 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: in terms of life expectancy of a running back, and 106 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: he's had, you know, some injury history. So I'd probably 107 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: go with the running back position, maybe at number five 108 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: now based on what took place with Mark Walton and 109 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: and I really do think that Zach Taylor sent a message, 110 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: you know, and I think a very positive one to 111 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:25,119 Speaker 1: his football team basically, you know, loose translation, you guys 112 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: that are out there doing things right and working toward uh, 113 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, the common goal and it's all about us, 114 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: as his slogan can't be about an individual, you know, 115 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: in his mind, Mark Walton didn't fit that and let 116 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: him go. So I feel the same way about Vontez. 117 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: You know, I think that more football. I think I 118 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: think it ended up being more football. You know. I 119 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: think it's interesting when when you're in a situation when 120 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: a new coaching staff comes in, I think every player 121 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: and I asked Aj Green this earlier in the locker room. 122 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: You know, as great as you are, do you still 123 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: feel like I'm back at square one? Because it's a 124 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: new evaluation by new eyes. And of course you knew 125 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: AJ was going to answer like like that, Yes, I'm 126 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: you know, but he's a true professional. But sometimes when 127 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: coaches that have been around a long time with players 128 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: look at a guy on tape, they're not looking at 129 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: how he's playing. As much as they like him. There's 130 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: such a relationship there that a john just how he's playing, 131 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: and a fresh set of ice come in and they 132 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: put the tape on and what, you know, one set 133 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: of coaches thought was a good play or adequate play. 134 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: Another set of coaches might be like what And it's 135 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: because they don't know anything about the guy, nothing about 136 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: his personality. And sometimes that's hard to separate. It's very 137 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: hard to separate, particularly, you know, when you've been around 138 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: a guy for a long time and at some point 139 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: in time he has been productive for you. So that 140 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: that that's an interesting one. But I do think I 141 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: do think that the contribution to the amount of money 142 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: paid Codd Vantes birth would probably a little bit talk 143 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: about a disappointment. Mark Walton did not work out at 144 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: all obvious lead. The off field problems ultimately doomed him 145 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, but did not produce as a runner or 146 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: as a receiver. And while he contributed on special teams, 147 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: he was not this special team star that we were 148 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: led to believe that he might turn out to be. 149 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: And I wonder if some of these problems are cropped up, 150 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: might have been issues. You know, obviously he was running 151 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: with the wrong crowd. You know, you go to University 152 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: of Miami, there has to be a group of positive 153 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: influences that you can lean on. And all he was 154 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: leaning on was obviously negative influences. Be packing the gun 155 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: he's packing. I mean, come on, and and you're probably 156 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: in the same boat. Dan, I'm you know, I'm approaching 157 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: sixty seven years old. I've never been arrested. Dude was 158 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: arrested three times for three months. Come on, you know, 159 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: somebody in his life has to stay after the first 160 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: mess up? Okay, come on, Mark, you know, let's let's 161 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: straight after number two. It's like, dude, you're not getting this. 162 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: You're not figuring this out. Come on, there's going to 163 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: be an intervention here and then a trifecta. I mean, 164 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: something's wrong there, and I'm more worried about him as 165 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: a person than a football player. Really at this point, 166 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: you go three times in three months, that's a bad 167 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: that's a bad show. Do speeding tickets count where I'm concerned? No, 168 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: not speeding tick. It has it has to be, you know, 169 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: up against the car, spread him, up against the wall, 170 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: spread them. Well. You know one thing we've learned about 171 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: the Bengals in recent years. You can get running backs 172 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: late in the draft or even as undrafted free agents. 173 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: Rex Burkhead was a late pick turned out to be 174 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: a great NFL player. Trey Carson I think would have 175 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: worked out okay as a third running back had he 176 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: stayed with the Bengals long term. So, whether they use 177 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: one of those sixth round picks or potentially earlier or 178 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: obviously they're going to bring in undrafted free agents of 179 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: that position, they're certainly going to add to that position 180 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: group a sixth round pick that I can think of 181 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: that scored a touchdown the Super Bowl. Rex Burkhead, Cincinnati Bengals, 182 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: not bad. I agree with you. You're gonna be able 183 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: to find somebody that that's going to be able to 184 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: make a contribution. From football for sure, no doubt. All right, 185 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: so number five position of need running back? How about 186 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: the number four position of need, probably defensive tackle. You know, 187 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: I'm thinking with Ryan Glasgow with the injury, you just 188 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: never know. He seems like he's coming back tremendously. I 189 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: mean he's and I'm gonna say he is, He's gonna 190 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: come back one hundred percent or maybe even better. That's 191 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: just the kind of guy he is. I mean, he's 192 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: he's got a tremendous work ethic. He's blue collar, lunch pail, 193 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: all those cliches. I mean he basically he turned himself 194 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: down to like right around two hundred and eighty pounds 195 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: to put less stress on his knee as he's rehabbing. 196 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: And I mean he does everything right. He's a smart guy, 197 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: he's a he's a tough football player. But you know, 198 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, Billings has been erratic, has been up and down, 199 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: his play has been spotty. He's a fourth round pick 200 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: coming in, you know, Glasgow nut, you know, a first 201 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: or second round pick, or first day or second day 202 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: pick either. So I mean those guys have panned out. 203 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: But to me, I guess I'd probably wouldn't wouldn't bother 204 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: me if they drafted another interior defensive lineman, more of 205 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: the run stuffer, you know, mentality to go along with 206 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: the geno Atkins of the world. Can you find a 207 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: mammoth guy at that spot, because I guess they've Josh 208 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: Tupo kind of fits that description, but they haven't had 209 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: that immovable, immovable object type of guy in the middle right, 210 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: And that's what you're thinking. And you know, Josh is 211 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: one of those kind of guys. He's he's he's hard 212 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: to knock off the ball, He's got really good balance. 213 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: You know, he's a he's a big man obviously. Um, 214 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: but somebody of that ilk for sure, I could see them, um, 215 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: you know, as there's their fourth need maybe going in 216 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: that area. All right, running back, defensive tackle, what's next? 217 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking you may have to think about 218 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: a tight end. You know, Um, obviously you have the 219 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: tight end you lose Tyler Croft, uh to the to 220 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, Tyler or Effort. You know, it's like, man, 221 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: is this the year where it's finally gonna football? Gods 222 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: are gonna leave alone and he can stay healthy because 223 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: you know we talked earlier in the in the day 224 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: with him about this um. This offense potentially that is 225 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: being assembled is going to be very tight end friendly, 226 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: and having a weapon like him, you make your offense 227 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: tight end friendly because he's he's basically you know, I 228 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: think tight ends of loose interpretation of what he gives you. 229 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: He can he can play in the slide, he can 230 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: play in the widest receiver in the formation. He runs 231 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: routes like a wide receiver. The dude is a big 232 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: wide out, is what he is. He can run the 233 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: route tree as well as a lot of wide receivers 234 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: in the National Football League. Plus he could win healthy. 235 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: He can still you know, block at the end of 236 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. So I mean, you know, I 237 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: think you're always uh, you know, looking for an insurance 238 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: policy there shrek. Obviously, you know he got hurt down 239 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: the stretch. C J. Zama got his got his deal done. 240 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: But you know, it would not surprise me if they 241 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: go for a tight end somewhere in the middle of 242 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: the late rounds of the drafts as a need. At 243 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: that point, I think they've got to the Other thing 244 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: about Eifford is not only is it impossible to know 245 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: how many games he's going to play because of his 246 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: injury history. But it's only a one year deal, so 247 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: who knows what's going to happen. What if he stays 248 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: healthy and has a thousand yards in fifteen touchdowns exactly? 249 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a show me year. And he 250 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: has shown me a year last year and obviously had 251 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: the tragic injury. It's another show me year. And if 252 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: it goes the other way and he shows the league, 253 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: it don't be a hot commodity, no question about it. Now, 254 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: they'll always with his injury history, they'll always be like, 255 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: oh jeeves, do we commit those kind of dollars? And 256 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, is the one year of health a blip? 257 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: Isn't an operation? Is? You know, this is the history, 258 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: this is the trend. Is this the anomaly? So teams 259 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: have to make that kind of a decision. But yeah, 260 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: I mean, man, if he puts it together, though it 261 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: has a huge year, Bengals are in good shape. They're 262 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: in high cotton because that that position group. I still 263 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: feel like when the New England Patriots had there are 264 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: two tight ends. Working with with gronk uh in the murderer, 265 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: God Rest his soul. I don't know where he's resting, 266 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: and probably in Hell, but at any rate, Hernand is 267 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: in Gronk. That that was incredible. I mean that that 268 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,119 Speaker 1: was a very very difficult package to deal with. And 269 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: I think, you know, sometimes contrarian thinking and approach can 270 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: be the way to go. Everybody's spreading out now and 271 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: doing all those But if you have two tight ends 272 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: on the football field that are adequate enough blockers, but 273 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: you can put anywhere in your formation and throw it. 274 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: And her name was they had running the ball. I mean, 275 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: the dude was running the ball and everything. I mean, 276 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: it was ridiculous. And if you've got athletic tight ends 277 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: like these guys could be, that could be very very 278 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: interesting for the Bengals. Running back, defensive tackle, and tight end. 279 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: We are up to the bengals number two positional need 280 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: going into the draft. Yeah, I mean, i'd have to 281 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: say offensive line. I'd have to say offensive line and linebacker, 282 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: or you know, kind of one and one A. So 283 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: they're two and one. But you know, let's talk about 284 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: the offensive line. I think at this at this point, um, 285 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, and I do think they're gonna have to 286 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: address it in the draft. Do I think they addressed 287 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: it at number eleven. I really don't because when I 288 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: look at the top guys, every guy has a hole 289 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: in his play. There's not a Munios, there's not a Baselli, 290 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: there's not a like you know, Orlando PACER's not like, 291 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, man, they wouldn't make it to eleven anyway. 292 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: But I think I think when they get to eleven, 293 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: there'll be other options on the board besides those tackles 294 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: that they'll have rated higher on their board, because I 295 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: think you're gonna be able to get a quality tackle 296 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: um early two, which you know they're in the early 297 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: stages and even into the third round, so I think 298 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: they're gonna I think they're gonna wait and not not 299 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: necessarily go there at that point. So tackle specifically, not 300 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: just O line in general, but tackle specifically is the 301 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: number two neat I'd say old line, you know, in general, 302 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: highlighted by by the tackle. But I mean there are 303 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: some good guards in this draft. You know, Chris Linstrom 304 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: from Boston College. I think I think it's a pretty 305 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: pretty darn good guard. Jonah Williams can play center or 306 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: guard out of Alabama, and he's like a Clint bowling. 307 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: You could get not just a game, you could get 308 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: four games out of him if you'd kick him out 309 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: to tackle. I think he'd be a heck of a center. 310 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: I think he should be a really good guard, you know. 311 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: I think he hears you a lot of position versatility. Um. 312 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: I think Chris Linstrom from Boston College is another guard that's, 313 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, pretty good quality. I'd say he's a late 314 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: one early too. No, none of these guys are worth 315 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: in eleven in my estimation, but there are a lot 316 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: of guys that are you know, first round, late first, 317 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: early second. You know, all through the second into the 318 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,239 Speaker 1: early third, there's there's a myriad of lineman that they 319 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: can go to. I really think, like we talked about before, Dan, 320 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: this draft fits a lot of a lot of teams 321 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: needs because a lot of teams have needs like the Bengals, 322 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: but the Bengals have front seven, defensive needs and offensive 323 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: line needs. In this draft is really deep at those 324 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're omega stars at every one of 325 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: the positions, but you know, well passed the first round, 326 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna get a damn good football player to address 327 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: those areas where they do have needs and therefore, linebacker 328 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: is the number one need. I think linebacker. You know, 329 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: if there's a position on the team that I think 330 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: they're going to double down on in the draft, I 331 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: think it's going to be linebacker. And like we talked 332 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: about before, you know, the two devons and all of 333 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: this for the eleventh pick of the draft could be 334 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 1: trump by. In my mind, if there's an edge rusher, 335 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: you take them. If there's an edge rusher that you 336 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: have rated higher, and it might be one of these linebackers. 337 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: You know, some of these they're quote you know, they're 338 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: they're rush guys, but they're in the draft. They're like 339 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: linebackers instead of defensive ends. But I'm talking about an 340 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: edge rush guy because Dan, in this era of throwing 341 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: the football, you know, there are two ways to two 342 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: ways to help prevent it. You're gonna have to hurry 343 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: the quarterback up, make him hurry his reads and hope 344 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: he makes a mistake. The way to do that is 345 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: by a good pass rush. And then to compound that, 346 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: if you have really good options up front, you have 347 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: multiple weapons. They start doubling people. There's less guys that 348 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: they're going to send out in routes. So your coverage 349 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: percentages jump up. So it starts, in my estimation, it 350 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: always starts with a good edge rush or a good 351 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: rush in general upfront, because if you have to keep, 352 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: you know, if you can't get away with ever leaving 353 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: five in, you have to go six, sometimes seven and 354 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: max protect. I mean you've you've lightened the burden in 355 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: the back end immensely, and so's it starts there. I mean, 356 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: if you can get a cover corner, great, but if 357 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: you can get an edge rusher, that is a difference maker. 358 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: I think, I think that trumps everything, even though it 359 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: might not be a clearing need based on how Carl 360 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: Lawson comes back and say, you know, if if if 361 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: you don't find a guy that drops to number eleven, 362 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: you do have Karl Lawson coming back from his torn 363 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: acl exactly exactly. But here's four defensive linemen. I think 364 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: Nick Boss long gone. I think Montes sweat out of 365 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: Mississippi State. I mean, the dude six six two forty 366 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: plus and ran a four four. I'd be surprised if 367 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: he's there. But Jared Allen, excuse me, Josh Allen, Jared 368 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: anlands a quarterback. Josh Allen sixty four two sixty five 369 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: four sixty five forty and he was a fifty fifty 370 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: rush guy at Kentucky. I mean they had him, you know, 371 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: playing true linebacker, seventeen sacks in the SEC. That's production, man. 372 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: I mean, if that guy's there, I'd really think about that. 373 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: At eleven, I'd really be there. Won't be there, yeah, 374 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: and then rush on Gary out of Michigan. That'd be 375 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: my fourth guy. And he might be because watching early 376 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: tape on him, it's like whoa. But last year somebody 377 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: got in his ear and he was playing to survive, 378 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: survive in advance to the draft, and I you know, 379 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: to me, the fact that he didn't get hurt, he's 380 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: fortunate because that's how you do get hurt. But he 381 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 1: was just getting through it. It looked like to me 382 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: he didn't even look a lot of times like the 383 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: same guy. But this dude man sixty four plus two 384 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: eighty seven four sixty nine. I mean that's that's a 385 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: freakazoid athletically. So if he's there at eleven, you got 386 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: to think about that. If Devin White's there at eleven, boom, 387 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm on him as well. Now, Devin Bush, the other 388 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: Devin He's the one that as I'm looking at him 389 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: and talk to people around the league about him, there's 390 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: a fifty fifty split a lot of some some people 391 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: are like, man, he's just so small, and he is small. 392 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean it's five eleven, two undred thirty pounds, and 393 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: you know, Devin and White runs faster at six arty, 394 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: but he's still plenty fast at four six five. And 395 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: all I can say is, I played against Sam Mills 396 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: in the USFL. I don't care that that that played 397 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: against him just left an everlasting imprint in my mind. 398 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: And it ain't the size of the dog in the fight, 399 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: the size of the fighting the dog. That dude, he 400 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: knew what his limitations were. He knew that he didn't 401 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: want to let you engulf him. And that's what people 402 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: are gonna say, Devin Bush is going to get engulfed 403 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: by these big guys in the NFL. You don't think 404 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: that was his concern in the big ten. He knows 405 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: what his limitations are. He doesn't put himself in a 406 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: position to be taken advantage of like that. You have 407 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: to catch him to engulf him, you know. And I 408 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: mean these guys know, they've always had the quote deficiency 409 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: and they still competed at a high level. I have 410 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: faith that he's going to compete it still at a 411 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: high level. That's why I'm leaning toward even though he 412 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: is undersized going there. But the way all these teams are, 413 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's nickel now anyway, and you want a 414 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: smaller lineman, a linebacker that can cover. That might be 415 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: a smaller linebacker. It's not going to be a big 416 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: dude anyway. I mean now it's hybrid safety slash linebacker. 417 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: You know, oh boy, that's a that's like a big safety, 418 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: that's not a linebacker. But the league is evolved into 419 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: that that's what this guy is. So you know, maybe 420 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: he's not quote your typical man that's a big that's 421 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: a that's a starting inside linebacker in the National Football 422 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: League in this era. He's a he's a really he 423 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: can play outside backer when he's a good nickel backer. 424 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of the two backers that you 425 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: could throw out there and play nick You get a 426 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: lot of snaps out of the guy. So I think 427 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: that there's value, you know, still there at number eleven 428 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: um because they end I've chased a lot of small 429 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: linebackers trying to engulf him. Got to catch him first 430 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: in when I watched Michigan games the last couple of years. 431 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: He jumps off the screen big time. The dude. The 432 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: thing about Sam Mills, and this kid has it too. 433 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: Even though you know you think, okay, I might engulf you. 434 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: They have such explosive hip snap. I mean they get 435 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: under your pads because the leverage. I mean, you don't 436 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: have to come off the ball on your knees to 437 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: get under their pads. They're under your pads and they're 438 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: just ill said man, oh, I mean they're exploding on you. 439 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: It's like, man, that was a little dynamite cap that 440 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: just went off. It's unbelievable. It's like you have a 441 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: surge from a guy like that. They know what they're doing. 442 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's obviously been one of the best 443 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: football players on a great defense until they played Ohio State. Um, 444 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: you know that that the NCAA has had. I mean, 445 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: he's and he was one of the kingpins. So to me, 446 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you compete at that level and you still, 447 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: you know, a high high level. I really I really 448 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 1: liked the guy. It's it's gonna be very interesting, you know, 449 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. As I'm looking at some of the offensive lineman, 450 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of guys there. There are a bunch 451 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: of guys. Um, This Andre Dilly kid from Washington State's 452 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 1: a little bit of intrigue. Titus Howard, this kid from 453 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: Alabama State, six four over, three hundred pound Alabama State. Though, 454 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: I mean he's he has not played an NFL schedule 455 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: against NFL caliber talent. He's played that division schedule, which 456 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: is what no more than twelve games against lesser, lesser talent. 457 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: But can you project his talent to be successful in 458 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: the league. Heck yeah. Chris Lindstrom from Boston College as 459 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: a guard, Greg Little in Mississippi, you know at the 460 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: tackle position. H Dalton Risner out of Kansas State, you 461 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: know at the tackle position. I think there are these 462 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: are all you know, like late one, early two kind 463 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: of guys, Um, Caleb McGarry out of Washington, Isaiah Prince, 464 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: Ohio State. I mean, these are you know, early second 465 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: round guys or second and third round guys. There are 466 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: There are a ton of offensive linemen. That's why I think, 467 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: you know, when I look at it, unless unless the 468 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 1: best in the draft has slid to eleven, and that 469 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: number one offensive tackle is better than the second. I'mback, 470 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: or the the third or fourth rush guy or whatever. However, 471 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: have your board in. Every team in the league now 472 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: is in process of in the process of you know, 473 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: stacking their board m by position group and then the 474 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: top ten, top twenty, top fifty players. Nobody's done with 475 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: that equation yet, so that's when you start, you know, 476 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: mixing and matching a little bit. Your top five positional 477 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: needs did not include quarterback. Yeah, I mean to me, 478 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: and it's always that's why it didn't didn't include an 479 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: edge rush guy. But i's that with one of those 480 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: one of those guys is there at eleven. See yeah, 481 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm sprinting to the podium. If if Haskins slides to eleven, 482 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: interesting room. Interesting room at that point. If you know 483 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: somebody that they the Bengals had as a first round 484 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: grade slides to you know, their position in the second round. 485 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: You have to discuss them all the time. But um, 486 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not I would not be stunned if 487 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: they take a quarterback, you know, anywhere in the draft. 488 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: If there's a slide, but I'm not sure that there 489 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: will be, it'd be interesting to see. Thanks Lap. Next 490 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: week an annual edition of this podcast that gets downloaded 491 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: as many times as the Daily. I'm Michael Barbaro and 492 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: this is the Daily. How's that for an imitation? We'll 493 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: get laps prediction for the Bengals number one pick next week. 494 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: Now time for a fun facts interview and my guest 495 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,959 Speaker 1: was an eighth round draft pick in nineteen eighty seven. 496 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: One year later, the nineteen eighty eight Super Bowl Bengals 497 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: featured one of the finest secondaries in team history, a 498 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: quartet that earned a memorable nickname, the Swat Team. Tat 499 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: for some fun facts with a guy who has picked 500 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: fortieth on the list of the top fifty retired players 501 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: in Bengals history, Former safety Solomon Wilcot's an eighth round 502 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: draft pick out of Colorado back in nineteen eighty seven. 503 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: Is it true you did not even have a phone 504 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: on draft day? That's very true. You do your homework. 505 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: I had two roommates my senior year in college who 506 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: refused to pay the phone bill, and so I said, well, 507 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: I could go ahead and pay it, but then they're 508 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: gonna use it and run it up every month, and 509 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be stuck with a bill. So what I 510 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: did is I went ahead and allowed them to disconnect 511 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: it because the other two wouldn't pay, and I would 512 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: use the phone of my friend who lived across the 513 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: hall from me. And so when we were going through 514 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: the whole draft process, they says, we want your draft 515 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: day phone number. I knew I was going to be 516 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: at my apartment in Boulder, Colorado, but I had to 517 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 1: give cam Jones's phone number. This the last guy that 518 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: you want to give out his number to control something 519 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: that's so important in your life. But yeah, I gave 520 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: him that number, and I just remember him yelling across 521 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: the hall. He said, Moon, that's what he called me. Moon. 522 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals are on the phone. And I had to 523 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: had to run over to his apartment and there was 524 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: dick Lebou on the phone. It was one of the 525 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: best phone calls I ever received, and it wasn't even 526 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: on my phone. We're doing Friend Facts with Solomon Wilcox. 527 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: You mentioned dick Lebou. You once said he unlocked the 528 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: mysteries of football in what way? In ways that help 529 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: you to understand what offenses are trying to do to 530 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: you and what you needed to do to stop him, 531 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: or it is something as simple as this. Offenses, they're 532 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: the ones who are on a clock. That quarterback doesn't 533 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: get to hold onto the ball forever. He's got to 534 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: get rid of it, and his receiver has to get 535 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: to the designated point at the time when the quarterback 536 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: expects him to get there, and if he's not there, 537 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: it's an incomplete and if you get there first, you 538 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: get to catch it. It's an interception that the timing 539 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: of the offense, everything is predicated on timing. And as 540 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: a defensive back, your job is just a disrupt timing. 541 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: You don't have to cover the guy all over the 542 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: field like defensive backs believe they have to. All you 543 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: have to do is disrupt timing. You got pass rush 544 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: help you to do that. You got the quarterbacks insecurity 545 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: of getting blitz to help with that, and you get 546 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: to jam the receiver at the line of scrimmage to 547 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: help to prevent timing. So just something as simple as 548 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: that goes such a long way and unlocking a mystery 549 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: of what NFL offenses are all about and what they're 550 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: trying to do to you. We're visiting with Solomon Wilcots 551 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: David Fulcher checked in at number six on the list, 552 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: the highest rated defensive back. And one of the reasons 553 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: why he was so effective in freelancing on defense is 554 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: that you helped cover for him in the secondary. Was 555 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: that instinct on your part or was it very choreographed 556 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: when Fulture does this, I've got to do that. It 557 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: was about knowing that Dave would take chances that Dave 558 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: and he had great instincts. He had not only the 559 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: ability to make it work, he had the instincts to 560 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: be able to do it at a time when the 561 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: offense never thought he would. And I kind of had 562 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: to know. When he started creeping up to the line 563 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: of scream, I say, oh, no, he's blitzing. And he's 564 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: not supposed to blitz. He supposed to cover over here. 565 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: So someone had to cover. And and I just remember 566 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: a few mondays after we would have games and Dick Lebau, 567 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: I mean, he would give it to me. He would 568 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: just and I'm like, oh, coach, I didn't make you 569 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: didn't you didn't complain, you just took it. But I 570 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: remember one one Monday, I went in, I asked coach 571 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: Lebo said, hey, it's just something wrong. Here, am I mistaken? 572 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: David made the mistake, but then you me. He was like, 573 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: that's your job. Your job is to be wherever he's not. 574 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: And he helped me to understand that what kind of 575 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: player David was and how he used David in the defense. 576 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: Ryan Clark, who played for Dick lebo in Pittsburgh, had 577 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: to do the same kind of things. He and I 578 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: would have these conversations. He never knew what Troy Polamalo 579 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: was gonna do. Troy Polamalu in Pittsburgh playing for Dick 580 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: Lebou was the same exact player that David Volcher was 581 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: twenty years prior, playing in the same defense. And so 582 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: that's how Dick Lebou used his strong safety and his 583 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: free safety and finding that that right player, and David 584 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: was that guy now who had instincts an incredible ability 585 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: for a big man to go out and make big plays. 586 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: We're doing fun Facts with Solomon Wilcots. In training camp 587 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: before your second season, Sam White decided to mix things up. 588 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: He took black players and roomed them with white players. 589 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: He took offensive players and roomed them with defensive players. 590 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: What impact did that have? Bruce Rymer's offensive lineman was 591 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: my roommate. I would go. I would visit Eric Thomas. 592 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: I think he was with Joe Walter. Anybody know Joe 593 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: was a grumpy dude. You know, Joe didn't play. But 594 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: Eric is such a jolly guy that he could bring 595 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: out the best in a Joe Walter. But Sam, it worked. 596 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: Sam knew what he was doing. Other than that, I'm 597 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: a defensive back. We don't hang out with offensive lineman. 598 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: And there's no way that a guy from California and 599 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: Eric Thomas is going to hang out with a guy 600 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: from Texas like Walter. So that kind of forward thinking 601 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: it did help us become closer as a team. We 602 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: were able to spend time off the field with one 603 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: another and with guys that we normally would not have 604 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: spent time with. And I just remember Week two we 605 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: went out and played Philadelphia that year. That's the year 606 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: that the Eagles had a great team. Buddy Ryan's the coach. 607 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: They got big Reggie White on the defensive line, Jerome Brown, 608 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: Chris Carter, Might Quick, Randall cunning Hemmy had a great 609 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: team and we went out there and they jumped out 610 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: on us. But I just remember doing that period we 611 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: stuck together, the offensive line started taking over defense, we 612 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: started making plays. We got out of there with a win. 613 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: But I think it was on that day, Week two 614 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: and eighty eight that we really knew that we had 615 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: a chance to be a great team, and we were 616 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: close and we had one another's back no matter what happened, 617 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: and even when we went through some bumpy spots in 618 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: the season, there was never any doubt that we were 619 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: kind of a team of destiny. A couple more questions 620 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: for Solomons. That team goes to Super Bowl twenty three. 621 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: The night before the game, unfortunately, Stanley Wilson had his 622 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: cocaine relapse. You are one of the last people that 623 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: spoke to him before the team found out. Correct, Yeah, 624 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: that is true. I remember he and Eddie Brown, myself 625 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: and Eric Thomas. We were on the same floor, so 626 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: we got on the elevator together to get ready go 627 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: down to a team meeting, and Stanley at the last 628 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: minutes is as the door was closing, says, I forgot 629 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: my playbook and he shot out and the door closed 630 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: behind him as he went back to his room. We're 631 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: sitting in the meeting room that night, and they said, 632 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: as everyone here Sam ask and I remember Eddie was like, hey, 633 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: Stanley went to go get his playbook. You see old 634 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 1: be here in the second. So we're waiting five minutes, 635 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: ten minutes. Sam think we gotta get this meeting going. 636 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: Let's start the meeting. But he sent Jim Anderson back 637 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: to go get Stanley. Next thing, you know, maybe fifteen 638 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: minutes later, Sam would tear in his eyes and you know, 639 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: sort of interrupted everyone to say, guys, Stanley couldn't make it. 640 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: And we were like, what are you talking about it. 641 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: He proceeded to tell us about the relapse that Stanley had, 642 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: and you know, that's something that has stuck with me 643 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: for about thirty years, you know, for all this time, 644 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: and you know, I'll talk I talk with Marvin about this. 645 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: I talked with a lot of other NFL coaches about 646 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,959 Speaker 1: when you go to a super Bowl, this is where 647 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: character really counts. This is where all having the right 648 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: people on your team counts. And not that Stanley was 649 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: a bad person, but it's just about understanding that the 650 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: pressure of such a game and of such a moment, 651 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: it's going to reveal all things. I remember Chris Berman 652 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: and I were talking at one super Bowl. We were 653 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: providing coverage and something that happened with one player in Miami, 654 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: and I coined the phrase by saying, you know, you 655 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: can only win the game the day of kickoff, but 656 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: you can lose it between now and kickoff. In other words, 657 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: some players slip out into the night, does something silly, 658 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: and next thing you know that it serves as a 659 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: huge distraction for their team who was trying to get 660 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: ready to play the game of their lives. So that's 661 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: what I remember about it. I do remember a few 662 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: years later, going out to California, I was covering for 663 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: ESPN as a correspondent a case where Stanley Wilson was 664 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: he was gonna get three strikes in year out, so 665 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: he was gonna get life for a robbery for a 666 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: home invasion, and I watched the judge render the verdict. 667 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: I remember writing a letter to the judge of saying 668 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: Stanley never hurt anyone physically, He only hurt himself, and 669 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: I tried to prevail on the judge to not give 670 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: him life. I don't agree with the mandatory prison sentencing, 671 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: and so Stanley Wilson does not deserve to be in 672 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: jail for life for what he did. We all forgiving. 673 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: We love him, but I know what he was one 674 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: heck of a football player. I wish he would had 675 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 1: played that day. We needed somebody to block Ronnie Lott. 676 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: Last thing for Solomon Wilcots. You're from California. You went 677 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: to Colorado, but you settled in Cincinnati after playing for 678 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: the Bengals. What is it about this team in this 679 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: city that got under your skin? Well, it was interesting 680 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: because when I was drafted, I remember I didn't quite 681 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: know where Cincinnati was. I had never been east of 682 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: the Mississippi River, and so when I came here, I 683 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 1: didn't know what to expect. But you know, I started 684 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: working for an insurance firm over at Midland American Modern 685 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: Home and I worked there every year during the offseason. 686 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: I worked as an underwriter, worked as a claim adjuster, 687 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: I worked in our HR department. And then when I 688 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: was done playing, I went over to Channel five and 689 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: worked with some really good people there who were great 690 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: to me. I learned so much from them, and I 691 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: don't know that I would still be here had I 692 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: not had the opportunity to work with such good people 693 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: and have them in my life. None of us succeed 694 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: on our own. We need a community of people, and 695 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: I always wanted to be able to at least give 696 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 1: back to that community in some way, shape or form. 697 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: And I think that's what makes Cincinnati special. I think 698 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: it is a place that is about community. And I 699 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: think the people here can tell if you're genuine or not. 700 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: They could tell if you are a hard worker, They 701 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,359 Speaker 1: could tell if you're in it for you, or if 702 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: you're in it for the big picture. If you're in 703 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: it for the big picture, it works out. If you're 704 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: in it for you don't go so well. And so 705 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: that's what I love about Cincinnati. And I tell people, 706 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: even when I go back to La, people like, you 707 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 1: still live in Cincinnati. How could you live there? I said, 708 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: you know what, it's a great place. We don't have traffic. 709 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: I don't have to wait in line at the post office. 710 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: I go to the coffee shop. My girl already has 711 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: my coffee made. He knows me. I just that's what 712 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: I love. That's what I like, and that's what makes 713 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: Cincinnati a special place. I love it. My thanks to 714 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: Solomon Wilcotts, and thank you for downloading this episode of 715 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: the podcast Don't Forget. We'll take an in depth, look 716 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: at the most likely targets at the top of the 717 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: Bengals draft board next week, and get Dave Lapham's first 718 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: round prediction. If you haven't done so already, please subscribe 719 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: on iTunes, stitch, your google Play, or pod Bean, and 720 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 1: if you have a minute, give it a rating or 721 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,479 Speaker 1: leave a comment. Your feedback has been great, and five 722 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 1: star ratings help more Bengals fans find this podcast. I'm 723 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 1: Dan Horde and thank you for listening to The Bengals 724 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: Booth podcast.