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He suggested, perhaps if we're going 19 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 3: to subsize these two countries, they should just become the 20 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: fifty first and the fifty second states. 21 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. 22 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 4: You're subsidizing Canada to the tune of over one hundred 23 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 4: billion dollars a year, with subsidizing Mexico for almost three 24 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 4: hundred billion dollars. We shouldn't be s upset. Why are 25 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 4: we subsidizing these countries. If we're going to subsidize them, 26 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 4: let her become a state. We're subsidizing Mexico, and we're 27 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 4: subsidizing Canada, and we're subsidizing many countries. 28 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:12,279 Speaker 5: All over the world. 29 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 4: And all I want to do is I want to 30 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 4: have a level, fast, but fair playing field. 31 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 3: Confirm some of the reporting that apparently had told Justin Trudeau. 32 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: He's like, look, if we're going to pay you this much, 33 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: then you might as well become a state. 34 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: Listen, soccer, you add Mexico, Canada and Puerto Rico. You 35 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: got three new states. The Democrats actually have a shot 36 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: at winning chance. 37 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 3: Think about it, well, first of all, Mexico in Mexico, 38 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: I don't actually know, it's a lot. 39 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 6: And how many provinces in Canada? 40 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: Man, this is a five? 41 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 6: I'm going to guess five was what came in my 42 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 6: mind as well. 43 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: Yes, we've got Quebec, uh Bc, Ontario, Nova Scotia. What's Calgary? 44 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: Is that a province or is that a city? 45 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 6: Calgary's a city? 46 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: Okay, that's what it's I think something all right? 47 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry Canadian iance here, that's better than Mercan you said, 48 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: British Columbia, I said, isn't new Brunswick. 49 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: Isn't that its own New Brunswick? Oh shit, Newfoundland? Is 50 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: that its own? Ye in the northern territories. 51 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: But I don't know if that's a province or if 52 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 3: it's like Indian territory, yeah or whatever they. 53 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: Sorry, we did anyway, Yeah, we did pretty well. 54 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 3: I would say it's decent for American political commentator. 55 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: Mexico. Don't even get me started. 56 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 3: Oh, the only reason I know Mexican States is because 57 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 3: of drug cartels like Tijuana, Sinaloa or you know, bazap 58 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 3: Lan or whatever. 59 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 6: That's the only recitement of our media. That that's all 60 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 6: we know. 61 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: True. Yeah, good point. 62 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: But anyways, that's what he suggested in terms of some 63 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: of the trade work. Actually, arguably the most important ones 64 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 3: that he put forward. 65 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 6: States in Mexico. 66 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's crazy. 67 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 5: I can't. 68 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: I can barely name five. And they're only the ones 69 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: like around the United States. Shows my own ignorance. Let's 70 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 3: get to Trump's comments on Ukraine. Arguably this is the 71 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 3: most important thing that came out of the interview. Let's 72 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: take a listen. 73 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 4: There are people being killed in that war at levels 74 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 4: that nobody's ever seen before. 75 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,119 Speaker 5: You have to go back to the Second. 76 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 4: World World War, and even that, if you take a 77 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 4: look at and you know what it is, it's the soldiers, largely. 78 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 4: The cities have been emptied out and demolished. The country 79 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 4: has been demolished. If I won that election, which you 80 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 4: know how I feel about it, I won't get into 81 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 4: it because we don't need to start that argument. 82 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 5: I think it's an easy argument. 83 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 4: It was really proven even more conclusively by the wind 84 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 4: that I had on this one. 85 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 5: But as you did. 86 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 4: Had I people, that's your opinion, but I disagree with it. 87 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 4: Had I assumed kept control, number one, Israel wouldn't have happened. 88 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 4: Number two Ukraine would have never happened. It would have 89 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 4: never happened, Ukraine, Russia. But the number of people that 90 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 4: are being killed, soldiers, young beautiful soldiers, hundreds of thousands 91 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 4: of people are being killed, and you know, it's very interesting. 92 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 4: It's level, totally level, the battlefields totally level. 93 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 5: You know what's happening. 94 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 4: The only thing that stops a bullet, you know what 95 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 4: it is is a body, a human body, And the 96 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 4: people that are being killed, hundreds. 97 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 5: Of thousands on both sides. 98 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 4: Russia's lost probably five hundred thousand, Ukraine's lost higher than 99 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 4: they say, probably four hundred thousand. You're talking about hundreds 100 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 4: of thousands of bodies laying all of the fields. It's 101 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 4: the stupidest thing I've ever seen, and it should have 102 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 4: never been allowed to happen. Biden should have been able 103 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 4: to stop it. 104 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 3: So that was important because you couple it with a 105 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 3: tweet that he act or a truth or whatever he 106 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 3: put out on truth social where he called for quote 107 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 3: in immediate ceasefire. Also, let's take this since Trump is 108 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: now the president elect and he's probably getting intelligence numbers. 109 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 3: Just so you're aware, he said four hundred thousand. Just yesterday, 110 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: President Zelenski claimed that the total death toll in Ukraine 111 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 3: was forty three thousand Ukrainian soldiers who had been killed. 112 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, literally add another zero on top of that 113 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 3: number for what the reality is. But it does show 114 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 3: that this is going to be very difficult because what 115 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: did Jeremy say in our interview. If I'm me Ron 116 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: and I just watched this, I'm accelerating my nuclear but 117 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 3: right for preservation of the regime, that's the number one 118 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 3: lesson North Korea took away from Libya. If you're Russia 119 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: and you're looking at this, you just had a prestige hit, 120 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 3: you know, in terms of. 121 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: Your ally going down. You're embroiled in this war. 122 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: We already learned from a Russian oligarch that the current 123 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: quote unquote peace proposal on the table, which would mean 124 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: at least from Zelenski in terms of NATO membership in 125 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 3: exchange for recognition of some territory lost. Even of that, 126 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 3: Olive Ark was like, no, Putin would not take that, 127 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: So we're they have a mess on their hands, Like 128 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: absolutely yeah, in terms of the ceasefire and all of that. 129 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 3: Another piece of news that came out of this interview, 130 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: which is really important is Trump said he has not 131 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 3: spoken to Putin since he became the president elect, but 132 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: now he's spoken with Zelenski twice. They had a phone 133 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 3: call and they got cozy in the Lyza Palace, I'm 134 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: sure by design by President Macron putting him in front 135 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 3: and center and brokering some meeting there with Zelenski. So 136 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: there are a lot of open questions about which way 137 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 3: this goes. Remember, Mike Waltz and Keith Kellogg have both 138 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 3: floated two separate theories of how they would force potin 139 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 3: the negotiating table, which involves escalating the war in Ukraine. 140 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 3: So already we have you know, look, it's easy to 141 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 3: say I'll have it done by the time I take office. 142 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: Actually getting there, it's just like the Middle East, it's 143 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 3: going to be a tough road. 144 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 2: Well, that was my major takeaway from his comments there 145 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: is he still falls back on this while it wouldn't 146 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: have happened if I was there, and it's like, okay, 147 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: that was fine for the campaign. You know, people kind 148 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: of bought that and what you were selling. But now 149 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: you're about to be in that office and we are 150 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: where we are, so what now? And you're right, the 151 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 2: most consistent indications we've gotten from his advisors are that 152 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: his plan is basically just like escalate to de escalate. 153 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: I think you're right to read into the fact that 154 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: he's he's always like Selensky, meeting with Zelenski multiple times, 155 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: and you know, Russia maybe not in such a such 156 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: a mood to negotiate given the prestige blow that they 157 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 2: just took. So anyway, always interesting to hear what he 158 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 2: has to say. But by and large, It's just like, 159 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: we'll see what he does when he gets in there, 160 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: because he says all kinds of things all the time. 161 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, he says all kinds of things all the time. 162 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: Can we put a sorry D four please on the screen? 163 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: This is what I was referencing. He says, they have 164 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: ridiculously lost four hundred thousand soldiers many more civilians. There 165 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 3: should be an immediate ceasefire and negotiations should begin. Too 166 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: many lives are needlessly wasted, too many families destroyed. 167 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think the sentiment is great. 168 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: It's like you said, though, it's like, well, we're your 169 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: advisors speaking for you. Were they speaking on behalf of themselves? 170 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 3: What do you actually think? What are you going to 171 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: push to happen? And this will you know something I 172 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 3: talked a lot about on the Lex Readman podcast. Was 173 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: Trump believed previously under John Bolton? He said on the 174 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: Joe Rogan Show. He was like, well, what I do 175 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 3: is I hire these people who make me look more 176 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: reasonable and who are scary. And it's like, okay, that's great, 177 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: but you know, while you're in the Oval Office dealing 178 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: with and if tax reform, immigration or any of these 179 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: other things, they have a full time job where they're 180 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: running the administration, and they are running and presenting options 181 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: and making all of these decisions that have nothing to 182 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: do with you. And if those people have an ideology 183 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: that's different than you, you literally, by definition, cannot spend 184 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 3: all of your attention focus on this. You're lucky as 185 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: the American president if you get to spend twenty five 186 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: percent of your time on foreign policy. 187 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 6: Well, if that happens, he's very malleable. 188 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: He's very easily flattered and manipulated. And I mean that's 189 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: you know, that's not to take the blame off. 190 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 6: Of his shoulders. 191 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: That's just a reality that it matters a lot who 192 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: he surrounds himself with. And I think at this point 193 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: it's very likely that he would have to really pressure 194 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: Zelenski into taking a deal that in no way is 195 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: Lenski going to want to take in order to get 196 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: Russia to consider coming to the table with spend And 197 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 2: so is he going to be willing to apply that pressure, 198 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: because what indication we're getting is that instead what he 199 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: wants to do is say we're going to give Zelenski 200 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 2: everything he wants. What was it except Gorko said to 201 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 2: what Biden gave. 202 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 6: Is going to be peanuts compared to what said that 203 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 6: problem to give. 204 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,719 Speaker 3: Again, I have no idea like if any of this 205 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: is true or not, a lot of those guys are 206 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 3: just bullshitting on their radio shows too, if we're all 207 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: being honest. Yeah, so it's like, okay, we're they talking themselves. 208 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 3: They talk for Trump. At least One good thing is 209 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: that Trump hates when other people speak for him. So 210 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 3: it's one of those where hopefully he'll put them in 211 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 3: his place. 212 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: But we'll see. 213 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: Man, it's a big question mark, and the potential for 214 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 3: absolute catastrophic mess remains on the table. Trump was also 215 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: asked about immigration policy and deportation. 216 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. 217 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 7: Four million families in America who have mixed immigration status. 218 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 5: So I'm talking about parents. 219 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 7: Who might be here illegally, but the kids are here legally. 220 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 7: Your border zone jug Yeah, well, I mean there are 221 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 7: two aspects to this, your border zaur Tom Hommet said, 222 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 7: they can be deported together. 223 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 6: Is that the plan? 224 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 4: That way you keep the foot Well, I don't want 225 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 4: to be breaking up families. So the only way you 226 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 4: don't break up the family is you keep them together 227 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 4: and you have to send them all. 228 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: Back, even kids who are here legally, well. 229 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 4: Well, what you going to do if they want to 230 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 4: stay with the father. Look, we have to have rules 231 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 4: and regulations. You can always find something out, like you know, 232 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 4: this doesn't work, that doesn't work. I'll tell you what's 233 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 4: going to be horrible When we take a wonderful young 234 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 4: woman who's with a criminal and they show the woman 235 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 4: and she could stay by the law, but they show 236 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: the woman being taken out or they want her out, 237 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 4: and your cameras are focused on her as she's crying, 238 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 4: as she's being taken out of our country, and then 239 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 4: the public turns against us. 240 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 5: But we have to do our job. 241 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: So that definitely shows that they're still talking a lot 242 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 3: about what quote unquote mass deportation and all of that 243 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: will look like Tom Homan has talked about that before. 244 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: But the I mean, I just keep coming back to the. 245 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: Reality of it, like they barely have enough resources to 246 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: even deport criminals like ato. The idea that there is 247 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: going to be I mean, unless they've literally unless Congress 248 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 3: gives I don't know, ten twenty fifty billion, you know, 249 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 3: to ee, which I don't see happening, especially with the 250 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 3: current makeup of the Republican Senate, and you've got guys 251 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 3: who are in swing districts or elsewhere, we are going 252 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 3: to look out for it. So anyway, we'll see. That's 253 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 3: how they're talking. But this is again like a big 254 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: question mark to me. 255 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: The comments to me were also very revealing because they 256 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: really show you are too that he understood that the 257 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: images that came out last time were incredibly damnae Jamming. 258 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: Even he'sad the public terms against you, and so he 259 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: realizes the way that these images can be extremely potent 260 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: and very difficult in spite of the rhetoric that he 261 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 2: used on the campaign. The other thing, the other thing 262 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: that was noteworthy to me in this interview is he 263 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: got asked about birthright citizenship, which is in the Constitution. 264 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 2: He says he wants to end birthright citizenship using an 265 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: executive order. 266 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 6: You certainly cannot do that. Now there is some debate. 267 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: I was going to say, let me give there some debates. 268 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: That you could well that you could pass legislation because 269 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 2: what is the language. It's as like subject to the 270 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: jurisdiction thereof. And so there's some people who say, like, oh, well, 271 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 2: you can legislate what exactly that means, that's a debate 272 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: for the courts. Possible, but you can't do it through 273 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: an executive order as far as I know. 274 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: Here's the debate. It says, here's the section from the 275 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 3: fourteenth Amendment. All persons born are naturalized in the United States, 276 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 3: subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United 277 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 3: States of the state wherein they reside. Naturalized citizens subject 278 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 3: are citizens thereof. So the idea is that if you're 279 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 3: here illegally and you have a child in the United States, 280 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 3: that because you are an illegal immigrant and you're not 281 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 3: here under legal jurisdiction, that that would not apply. So 282 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 3: when they say and birthright citizenship, it's specifically about people 283 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 3: who are not legally in the United States, which look objectively, 284 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: that's crazy. If you're here illegally you get to then 285 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 3: just have a baby and your baby is a US citizen. 286 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: Crazy. 287 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 3: I mean, sure, I should apply to Green cards or 288 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: anybody else. Fine, that's totally fine. That's what the executive 289 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 3: order would say, but it will be a huge constitutional question. 290 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 3: I mean, there's no issue about it because as it's written, 291 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I could see it going multiple ways. Like, 292 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: I think that Clarence Thomas Alito. You know, maybe in 293 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: a few other but somebody like Justice Gorsey Attorney those 294 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 3: other pe they would easily sign up. 295 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: But what I've seen, though, is not that is even 296 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: from conservatives who support this was not that you could 297 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: do it through executive order. It was that we could 298 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 2: pass legislation to define what it means to be subject 299 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 2: to the jurisdiction thereof and change those parameters. Maybe I 300 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 2: don't know that's what could go through the courts, but 301 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: I think the idea that you're going to do it 302 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: through an executive order is fanciful. 303 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: Well, you could try. 304 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 3: What I just said is you could try through executive order, 305 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 3: and then you could try through judicial review and see 306 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: what they what they say, So maybe they come back 307 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 3: and they're like, well, you have to pass an Act 308 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 3: of Congress and then you do that. 309 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: But look, do I think this is going to happen? 310 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: He said it last time? 311 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 3: Okay, he said it in the famous remember the Jonathan 312 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: Swan interview where Swan is like hands him the piece 313 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 3: of paper. They were talking about birthright citizenship in that interview. 314 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 3: I've heard him say this since twenty eighteen. 315 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: Well, it happened. 316 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 3: We'll see in terms of the White House counsel and 317 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 3: the lawyers and all of this, and even their ability 318 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 3: to competently get any of this done. 319 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: Like you know, the other the other piece. And this 320 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: will help us transition to our monologue. Is it's true that, 321 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: you know, many of the billionaires that surround him now, 322 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: they're very interested in high skilled immigration. Absolutely in particular, 323 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: I remember Trump said that thing about like. 324 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: College, which is a lib position. 325 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: And he had shifted his position on any number of 326 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: things to you know, please this group which who were 327 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: very important in getting him elective about to talk about 328 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: Elon apparently gave a quarter billion dollars to this campaign, 329 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: and given how close it was, like you know, you 330 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: could easily make the case that's the reason that he's 331 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: headed back to the White House. So he owes this 332 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: group quite a lot. 333 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 3: I would say that Elon and them, even David Zachs, 334 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: who I love, but you know, let's be honest, David 335 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 3: and the tech guys and all these other guys, we 336 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: have a literal financial interest because a lot of their 337 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 3: companies are started by you know, one visa types or 338 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 3: foreign students and all that look it's great, but that's 339 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 3: just reality. That's like five percent of the US immigration system. 340 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 6: I mean, On himself is from South Africa. 341 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. It's his whole backstory is crazy. It 342 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: was Canadian South Africa. People should go read about it. 343 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 3: In terms of the immigration uh, I actually think that 344 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 3: the major influence a lot of the people you're going 345 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 3: to talk about are some of the lesser name billionaires 346 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: and people who have ties like to the retail business 347 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 3: or big agriculture. Though, that is where illegal immigration is 348 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 3: like the greatest subsidy of all time. I mean, you know, 349 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: our new ambassador to China is going to be David Perdue, 350 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 3: who was the CEO of Dollar General and the. 351 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: Senator from Yeah, it's amazing. 352 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 3: I mean I guess the defense is he spent a 353 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: lot of time in China and he knows them well. 354 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 6: So I spent a lot of time China. 355 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 3: No, he spent a lot of time brokery deals for 356 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: cheap bul shit for two dollars general. 357 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: That's a whole other story. I mean he had to 358 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: get something right. 359 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 3: He ran as the stop to steal candidate in Georgia 360 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 3: on God is ass kicked, So you know you have 361 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,359 Speaker 3: to get something when you show that level of loyalty. 362 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: But I think that the pressure will come from retail 363 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: and from Wall Street on immigration way more than Silicon Valley. 364 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: The Silicon Valley one is going to be more about 365 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: the immigration reform through legislation. Yeah, but the actual beneficiaries 366 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 3: of illegal immigration is Tyson's Food, big agriculture, you know, 367 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 3: meanstruction half. 368 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: Of the farm markers in the country undocumented. It's extraordinarily 369 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: crucial for you know, that industry, and also just for 370 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: people to be able to get food at the grocery 371 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: store and pay the prices they're used to paying, et cetera, 372 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: et cetera. The last campaign finance reports are in and 373 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: we now know exactly how much Elon Musk, the richest 374 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: man on the planet, paid in order to elect his 375 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: man and secure his own whole sweeping government mandate. According 376 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: to federal filings, the grand total is more than a 377 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,479 Speaker 2: quarter of a billion dollars. Now, just think about it. 378 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: Maria Maidelson was able to buy the entire US foreign 379 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 2: policy apparatus apparently for a mere one hundred million, so 380 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 2: you can only imagine what Musk is getting for the 381 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: virtually unlimited fortune he plunked down on Donald Trump's behalf. 382 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 6: After all, given the. 383 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: Closeness of the race, one must assume this level of 384 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 2: investment likely secured Trump the White House. What's coming into 385 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 2: focus as we learn more details is a sort of 386 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 2: billionaire coup, because Elon is, of course just one of 387 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 2: a rapidly expanding cabal of billionaires who have already been 388 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 2: given plum gigs in the incoming Trump administration, earning slots 389 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: that will allow them to directly plunder the federal government 390 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: for their own benefit. In addition to these official roles 391 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 2: that these plutocrats will occupy, they are also reportedly serving 392 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 2: as headhunters for the incoming administration, helping to staff lower 393 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,479 Speaker 2: level jobs with their cronies and ideological allies, so that 394 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 2: the billionaire takeover is even more complete than it appears 395 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: at surface level. We now billionaire influence, of course, nothing 396 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 2: new in politics, without a doubt, though this is the 397 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: most overt transfer of government into the hands of oligarchs 398 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 2: in our nation's history. It is my sense that Trump, 399 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 2: desperate to avoid prison and not having ever been all 400 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: that interested in ideology or governance to begin with, was 401 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 2: happy to sell off different parts of his ministration and 402 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 2: is now sitting back to let this band of robber 403 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 2: barons shape the government to suit their desires. Now, many 404 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: of these unelected rulers, like the New AI and Cryptos, 405 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 2: are David Sachs, their Musk allies and friends who share 406 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: similar ideological and self interested goals. Quite a number of 407 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: these goals are directly at odds with the alleged commitments 408 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 2: of trump Ism. So where Trump claims to be a 409 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 2: China trade hawk, Elon's vast fortune is so tied up 410 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: with that of the Chinese government that his new partner 411 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 2: of a vague once roasted him for jumping like a 412 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: circus monkey for Jijinping. Where Trump courted union member support, 413 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: Elon fired striking workers, something that Trump did cheer him for, 414 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: and is currently fighting in court to end the body 415 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 2: that governs work or organizing in its entirety. And crucially, 416 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 2: whereas Trump's ascendants in the Republican Party has come from 417 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: bucking austerity politics, Elon and his cadre are fans of 418 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 2: an arco capitalist leader Javier Malay and his shock doctrine approach. Now, 419 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: if you're a billionaire, of course, what's not to love 420 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: about Malay? He's slashing the social spending programs that make 421 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: workers less desperate for whatever abusive, poorly paid gig to 422 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 2: corporate titans that are willing to provide them. He's privatizing 423 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: core government functions, creating war opportunities for oligarchs to siphon 424 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 2: off of public funds. And he's slashed the regulations that 425 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: constrain greedy bosses from abusing workers and consumers and poisoning 426 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 2: our air in our water. Crucially, Malays also rolled back 427 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,719 Speaker 2: tariffs to the explicit praise of Musk, once again polar 428 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: opposite of Trump's stated program goals. Now, Trump's billionaire puppeteers 429 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: seem to think they could smuggle this oligarchic agenda in 430 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: through the trojan horse of culture war. 431 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 6: That strategy was on. 432 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: Prominent display recently when one of the billionaires informally advising Trump, 433 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 2: investor Mark Andresen, took to Joe Rogan's pot cast in 434 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 2: order to make the case for eliminating an agency, the 435 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which has consistently stood up to 436 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 2: business abuses of consumers. This agency, which has a comparatively 437 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 2: small budget, mind you, has returned twenty one billion dollars 438 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: to ordinary Americans in just more than a decade of existence. 439 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 2: As we covered here with Matt Stoller, and Dreson hates 440 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 2: the CFPB precisely because the work it does protecting consumers 441 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 2: has been inconvenient for some of scammier business investments. But 442 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 2: instead of making the kind of unpersuasive case that he 443 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: and his allies should just be able to plunder unimpeded, 444 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: he instead made up a lie to play to one 445 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 2: of the right wing culture war issues du jour and 446 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: claimed that the CFPB was d banking conservatives for ideological reasons. 447 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: That's not even a power the CFPB has, and on 448 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: the contrary, the agency's head has pushed back on ideological debanking. Nevertheless, 449 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 2: Andreson's lives were immediately picked up by the Doge crew 450 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 2: of AK responded on X. The only right answer shut 451 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 2: it down must concurred delite CFPB. If there was any 452 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: pushback from the mega base, I did not see it. 453 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: But if mus really wants to slash two trillion dollars 454 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: from the budget or anything close to that, much more 455 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: must be targeted than this agency, which, even if deleted 456 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: in its entirety, comprises a grand total of zero point 457 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: zero three one percent of that two trillion dollar goal. 458 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: So it should be no surprise that the billionaires have 459 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 2: set their sights on the longtime conservative fantasy of cutting 460 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 2: social Security and medicare. Contray to Donald Trump campaign promises. Now, 461 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 2: on Twitter, Elon Re shared a lengthy thread from libertarian 462 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 2: Mike Lee making Paul Ryan style conservative arguments attacking the 463 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: foundations of social security. Meanwhile, Vivek has argued that they 464 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: could slash hundreds of millions of dollars from Medicaid, social Security, 465 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 2: and Medicare through what he describes as quote basic program 466 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 2: integrity measures. Republican members of Congress are rushing to back 467 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 2: them up, and this assault on our most popular successful 468 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 2: programs were. 469 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 8: Bringing the Democrats in and talk about social Security, Medicaid, Medicare. 470 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 8: There's hundreds of billions of dollars to be saved, and 471 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 8: we know how to do it. We just have to 472 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 8: have the stomach take those challenges on. But we can't 473 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 8: just talk about their discretionary budget that's twenty that's less 474 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 8: than twenty five percent of our budget. We have to 475 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 8: have some real hard discussions. 476 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: Well, we talk about this all the time. 477 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 4: It seems like we're constantly talking about where to cut, 478 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 4: and the fact that the fight over defense. 479 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 7: Do you believe that the defense budget should be cut. 480 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 5: I'm not a big fan of that. 481 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 8: I think we could do things a lot better. 482 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 5: But when you talk about. 483 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 8: What's happening in Taiwan, what's happening in the Middle East, 484 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 8: what's happening with Isra, what's happening in Ukraine, this is 485 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 8: an unstable place and unstable time. 486 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 5: We have to be very. 487 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: Careful, So not big on those defense cuts, but very 488 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: open to the social programs cuts. What's more, in Elin 489 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 2: and Vivik's quest to bring what they describe as a 490 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 2: chainsaw to government spending cuts, the doge doer are also 491 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 2: threatening programs where specific funding authorizations have lapsed. That's an 492 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 2: easy way, perhaps to cut spending without having to go 493 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: through those pesky, duly elected representatives in Congress at all. Now, 494 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 2: I know everyone's for cutting federal spending, and the abstract 495 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: sounds good right from the fat All that stuff sounds good, but. 496 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 6: The reality can be quite harsh. 497 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 2: Among the programs that could be slashed using the vac's 498 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 2: innovative approach are veterans healthcare, new drug development, opioid addiction treatment, 499 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: housing assistance, and the head Start preschool program that gives 500 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 2: low income kids access. 501 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 6: To early childhood education. 502 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: Trump's billionaires might not need these programs, but millions of 503 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: Americans truly do depend on them. Now, there's one large 504 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 2: and vastly unaccountable area of government that I would personally 505 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: be happy to see slash, and that is the Pentagon. Now, 506 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders and Rocana both signaled they would like to 507 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: work to help Musk with this project if he's actually 508 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: serious about it, in an attempt to effectively call his bluff. 509 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 2: But no one should delude themselves into believing that Elon 510 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: Musku is himself one of the Pentagon's largest contractors, is 511 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 2: earnestly interested in trimming the sales of the military. Pete 512 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 2: Heck's up too, Trump's nominee for the Defense Department. He's 513 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 2: been portrayed as some sort of a revolutionary intending to 514 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: hack away at the Pentagon. In reality, he's supported every war, 515 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: including the Iraq War, up until shockingly recently. He's articulated 516 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 2: desire to expand American militarism abroad, and frequently couches his 517 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 2: critiques of the Pentagon in culture War terms. What's more, 518 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 2: Trump has reportedly picked another billionaire to serve as the 519 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 2: Pentagon's number two, a guy by the name of Stephen Finberg. Now, 520 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: Feinberg has made millions with large investments in defense contractors himself. 521 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: On my experience, war profiteers don't tend to be inclined 522 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: towards cutting back military spending or cutting back on endless wars. 523 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 6: I suspect this. 524 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 2: Crew will performatively cut some meaningless DEI program then call 525 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 2: it a day after all. Onside of like two people 526 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 2: Thomas Massey and Ran Paul, maybe there are a couple others. 527 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 2: The Republican Party has no interest in cutting the defense budget. 528 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: Trump himself increased it every single year while he was 529 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: in office the last time. John Stewart made a similar 530 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: point recently when he was speaking with Bernie Sanders about 531 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 2: finding the balance between trying to work with Trump and 532 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 2: his billionaires when they claim to want to do something 533 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 2: good but also not getting played. 534 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 9: What Musk and Ramas Swanee are proposing, boy, is something 535 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 9: I've wanted for years. I'm just not sure those are 536 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 9: the guys that I wanted to do it, because maybe 537 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 9: I don't trust there, you know, I feel like they're 538 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 9: too focused on woke or retribution or something along those lines, 539 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 9: and we'll go in there. Is it democrats inability to 540 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 9: reform those processes that has opened the opportunity for this 541 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 9: more nihilistic approach. 542 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 10: Yeah, Democrats are, in many cases not all, defending a 543 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 10: system which is broken, and people perceive that it is broken. 544 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 10: And Trump says it is broken. Now his remedies are 545 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 10: going to make it even worse. And I think what 546 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 10: I feel very much hasn't been discussed all that much. 547 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 10: If I give you an example, the post office. The 548 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 10: mandate of the post Office is a very good mandate. 549 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 5: It is to deliver. 550 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 10: Mail to every house in America, no matter how rule 551 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 10: it can be. It's a money loser, but it's the 552 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 10: right thing to do. You can privatize the post office tomorrow, 553 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 10: make it more efficient, and yet you will lose the 554 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 10: beauty of what the post office is supposed to be. 555 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 10: The challenge that we face is can you have a 556 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 10: post office functioning in the year twenty twenty four, which 557 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 10: is efficient, which serves the needs of its customers. I 558 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 10: believe we can. I believe we can, and I'm fighting 559 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 10: for that. What these other guys I suspect want to 560 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 10: do is privatize, privatize, privatize, so it'll have even more 561 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 10: power in the hands of the large corporate interests. 562 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 2: Look, I genuinely get the surface level appeal of doge 563 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 2: and even of stacking your administration with billionaires, given the 564 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 2: American mythology that financial success is indicative a general superiority. 565 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 6: The truth is, though, with very. 566 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 2: Few exceptions, your interests and the interests of billionaires are 567 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 2: diametrically opposed. They want a degrade government until it no 568 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 2: longer has the power to impede their plunder to slash 569 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 2: the social safety net programs that can take the edges 570 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 2: off of our vast inequality, while fattening their own coffers 571 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: with contracts and subsidies, and guaranteeing a future with limitless 572 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 2: automation and crypto scams that funnel even more to the 573 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 2: already rich Musk and some of his friends. They've told 574 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 2: Americas to prepare themselves for economic hardship thanks to their 575 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 2: austerity program, but somehow it's never Then they're rich buddies 576 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 2: who are asked to participate in that shared sacrifice. But yes, 577 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: by all means, let's ask the low income four year 578 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 2: olds and our nation's veterans and seniors to sacrifice so 579 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: that Trump's billionaires can execute a brazen smash and grab 580 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 2: on our future. Trump has handed the keys over to 581 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: the very globalist elites he once derided and sager. This 582 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 2: really gets at there are a lot of tensions. 583 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 3: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, 584 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 3: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. 585 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 2: So we had one more story we wanted to add 586 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 2: in here that broke yesterday evening and this is what 587 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: I talked about before. So jay Z has been hit 588 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 2: with a civil lawsuit alleging that he back in the 589 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: early two thousands raped a thirteen year old girl. 590 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 6: At a party. 591 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 2: You can put this tear sheet up on the screen 592 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: from NBC News at just go ahead and say up front, 593 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: he denies the charges, the allegations. 594 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 6: Here. 595 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: We'll read you a statement from his team here in 596 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 2: just a second. In any case, this says the Star Wrapper. 597 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 2: An entrepreneur's real name is Sean Carter, was accused in 598 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 2: the lawsuit Sunday of raping a thirteen year old girl 599 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 2: in two thousand, allegedly alongside Sean Ditty Combes. The accuser 600 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 2: is anonymous identified only as Jane Doe. She says the 601 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: assault happened after she was driven to an MTV Video Music. 602 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 6: Awards after party. 603 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 2: Basically, what she alleges here is that she was trying 604 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 2: to get into this after party. Someone saw and was like, Oh, 605 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 2: I think that your Ditty's type got her into this 606 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: party again as she's at the age of thirteen. She arrives, 607 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: she sees lots of drugs, including cocaine and marijuana being consumed. 608 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 2: She has a drink, she starts feeling woozy, feels like 609 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 2: she needs to lay down, and next thing she knows 610 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 2: allegedly is being raped by a Ditty and jac and 611 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 2: another female was also in the room who has as 612 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: of yet been unnamed. Again, this is a civil lawsuit. 613 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: The statute of limitations has expired, best to my knowledge, 614 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 2: in New York for this woman, which is relevant to 615 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: when we give you jay Z's response and put this 616 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,239 Speaker 2: up on the screen and I'll read this for you 617 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: in its entirety. So this is from Rock Nation. My 618 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 2: lawyer received a blackmail attempt called a demand letter from 619 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: a lawyer named Tony Busby. What he had calculated was 620 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 2: the nature of these allegations. The public scrutiny would make 621 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 2: me want to settle. No sort had the opposite effect. 622 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: It made me want to expose you for the fraud 623 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: you are in a very public fashion. So no, I 624 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: will not give you one bread penny. These allegations are 625 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 2: so heinous in nature. I implore you to file a 626 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: criminal complaint against statue of limitations has expired anyway, not 627 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: a civil one. Whomever would commit such a crime against 628 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: the minor should be locked away. Would you not agree 629 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 2: these alleged victims would deserve real justice if that were 630 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 2: the case. This lawyer, have done a bit of research 631 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: on seems to have a pattern of these types of theatrics. 632 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: I have no idea how you have come to be 633 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 2: such a deplorable human, mister Busby, but I promise you 634 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: I've seen your kind men any times over. I'm more 635 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 2: than prepared to deal with your type. You claim to 636 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 2: be a marine. Marines are known for their valor. You 637 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 2: have neither honor nor dignity. My only heartbreak is for 638 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: my family. And then he goes on to say, my 639 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 2: heart and support goes out to true victims in the 640 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 2: world who have to watch how their life story is 641 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: dressed in costume for profitability by this ambulance chaser in 642 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 2: a cheap suit, you have made a terrible error in 643 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: judgment thinking all celebrities are the same. I'm not from 644 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: your world. I'm a young man who made it out 645 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 2: of the project of Brooklyn. We don't play these type 646 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: of games. We have very strict codes and honor. We 647 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 2: protect children. You seem to exploit people for personal gain, 648 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 2: only your network of conspiracy theorists, fake physics, fake physics. Okay, 649 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 2: well believe the idiotic claims you have levied against me that, 650 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 2: if not for the series and surrounding harm to kids, 651 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: would be laughable. 652 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 6: I look forward to showing you just. 653 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: How that's what it's got to be. It has to 654 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: be fake psychics. 655 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, maybe I don't know. Anyway, I look forward 656 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: to showing you just how different I am. And I 657 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 2: believe there is a followup from the lawyer that I 658 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 2: will pull up while you're reacting to this. Oh, I 659 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: have the lawyer, Okay, he said. So this is Tony Buzzby, 660 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 2: who jay Z was addressing there. He tweeted out regarding 661 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: the jay Z case and as eversus silence my clients, 662 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: Mister Carter previously denied being the one who sued me 663 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: in my firm. He thought his frivolous case under a pseudonym. 664 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 2: What he fails to say in his recent statement as 665 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: my firm sent his lawyer a demand letter on behalf 666 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: of an alleged victim, and that victim never demanded a 667 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: penny from him. Instead, she only saw it a confidential mediation. 668 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 2: Since I sent the letter on her behalf, Mister Carter's 669 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: not only sued me, but he has tried to bully 670 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 2: and harrass me. In this plaintiff, his conduct has had 671 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 2: the opposite impact. She is in bold and I'm very 672 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 2: proud of her result. As far as the allegations then 673 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 2: complete filed, we will let the filings speak for itself 674 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: and will litigate the facts in court, not in the media. 675 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 6: So there you go. 676 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: That's all back and forth. You know. 677 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 3: Look, I mean, I'll I don't know anything about jay Z. 678 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: I'm not a big hip hop person who's been tracking 679 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 3: all of these allegations. 680 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: Now, I do find it kind of. 681 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 3: An insane thing, because look like if we're talking about 682 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 3: like this is somebody who's thirteen years old. This is 683 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 3: like a small child, right, I mean, this is like pedophilia. 684 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 3: This isn't something like mistaking somebody's seventeen eighteen years old. 685 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 3: I would assume that there would be other instances and 686 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 3: that stuff like this would have come out. I mean, 687 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 3: in terms of other the thing is about the diddy 688 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 3: thing has been around in the ether for like thirty 689 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 3: five years, right. Everybody knew that there was something going 690 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 3: on that was sketchy. It just took a while to 691 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 3: catch up. For this to be true. I mean, you'd 692 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 3: have to believe this happened and what it didn't happen 693 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 3: again for years, or nobody kept quiet or everybody kept 694 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 3: quiet around it look definitely within the realm of possibility. 695 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 3: It also, I guess in the civil sense, in terms 696 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 3: of trying to prove it's true, that's going to be 697 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 3: very difficult, right, in terms of recalling something that happened 698 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 3: some twenty four years ago and being able to provide 699 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,959 Speaker 3: witnesses and find culpability. So anyway, my point is I 700 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 3: have no idea any of this, but I will say, 701 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 3: like when you hang out with sketchy people and you 702 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 3: hang out in sketchy environments, then you definitely leave yourself 703 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 3: vulnerable to such accusations if that's the behavior that you guys. 704 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: Are all indulging in and rapping about. And I mean, 705 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, look not to get too but it's like, oh, 706 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: we had a code and all this, like he had 707 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: a code and he sold drugs, Like what you're checking people? 708 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 3: So somebody to make a joke, Oh, he was checking 709 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 3: IDs when he was selling drugs and making sure he 710 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 3: wasn't selling to mothers. 711 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: It's like, all right, spare me your code. Bullshit in 712 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: terms of what that means. 713 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:18,959 Speaker 2: So he's you know, yeah, until proven guilt, like you know, 714 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 2: we'll see what comes out. And he deserves to be 715 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 2: able to have his side of the story, et cetera, 716 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 2: et cetera. I mean he was close with Ditty, so 717 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 2: and so he was one of the big names that 718 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: people have been That's part of the why this is 719 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 2: a big story is because a lot of the chatter 720 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 2: centered around is jay Z going to be implicated in this? 721 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: Because based on the allegations which have been denied by 722 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,959 Speaker 2: Ditty and his team, Based on the allegations against him, 723 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: this was a large criminal enterprise that Ditty was engaged 724 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 2: in filled with a whole lot of enablers, and at 725 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 2: the very least, it is hard to imagine that jay 726 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 2: Z did not know quite a bit of what was 727 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: going on and the sort of you know, criminal abusive 728 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 2: behavior that was being engaged in, because the allegation suggests 729 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 2: that it was quite systematic. So that's why a lot 730 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,720 Speaker 2: of people were looking in his direction when the initial 731 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 2: allegations against Diddy began to drop. I will also just 732 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 2: note that when jay Z met his wife Beyonce, as 733 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 2: other people are noting online, she was sixteen. Now they 734 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 2: started dating, she says when they were. At times she 735 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 2: said eighteen, at other times she said nineteen. She was 736 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 2: very young, Oh wow, and he was I want to 737 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 2: say thirty. 738 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: It's creepy. 739 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 2: So in any case, that's putting out there on the 740 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 2: public record. Again, he denies all the allegations, and so 741 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 2: we'll say, you know, we'll see where this goes. But 742 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 2: just wanted to update you on that because he is 743 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 2: such a giant name, and because there has been a 744 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 2: lot of speculation swirling around him. This is the first 745 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 2: official allegation to drop against him. Now we had seen this. 746 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 2: She's a come forward before with these details with regards 747 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 2: to Ditty, but the other male celebrity in the room 748 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 2: had been unnamed, so now we know the name she 749 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 2: is giving. 750 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: Us jay Z, So we'll see crazy stuff. 751 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 4: Man. 752 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, really is yeah? 753 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 5: Wow. 754 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: I mean even when reading it, I was shocked. 755 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 5: I was like this. 756 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 3: I mean, as he he's taking it seriously and he's 757 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 3: coming out and going after this lawyer. So I mean, 758 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 3: there are really only two options in terms of But 759 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 3: I don't know how we're going to find the truth. 760 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 1: That's part of what's other scary. 761 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 3: But perhaps we also may learn even if this is 762 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 3: not true, we may learn a little bit more about 763 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 3: his life, right and Ditty and some of their own 764 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 3: things that were going on in the past. Have you 765 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 3: seen this clip of Ashton because you're going around on 766 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 3: hot ones being unable to talk about Ditty. 767 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: Parties, don't. I don't know. 768 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 3: It's gone very people should watch it. It's it's pretty interesting. Anyways, 769 00:35:47,160 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 3: We'll keep everybody updated and we'll see you all tomorrow.