WEBVTT - 08/16/21 DPS Hour 1 Matt Hayes

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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<v Speaker 1>that voice crack from? Wait a minute, is this Bobby

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<v Speaker 1>Brady from The Brady Bunch? What was I? Rob? Doug

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<v Speaker 1>gottlieb Rob Parker in for Dan and the Danettes. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what day today is? Happy August, Tia,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really matter. It's Monday, August sixteen. Come on, you dog,

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<v Speaker 1>you're good enough. Listen. They all kind of run into

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<v Speaker 1>each other. I'll explain my my excuse upcoming, Rob Parker,

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<v Speaker 1>Doug Gotlie in for Dan and the Danettes. Boys are

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<v Speaker 1>off this week, so we have a schmogersborg a cornucopia,

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<v Speaker 1>a plethora of different talented Fox Sports Radio hosts, including

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Parker, who, of course you can hear on The

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<v Speaker 1>Odd Couple every night seven to ten Eastern time, four

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<v Speaker 1>to seven Pacific time, along with Chris Broussard. Rob also

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<v Speaker 1>writes for for dead Spin. Don't laugh that Spin still exists,

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<v Speaker 1>and Rob still writes very interesting articles, even if they're

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<v Speaker 1>completely wrong. And we'll get to his most recent piece,

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<v Speaker 1>which is which is wrong? M Hope Springs Eternal? Rob

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<v Speaker 1>And here we are again another week one of the

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<v Speaker 1>entire league playing preseason games. A couple teams are two

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<v Speaker 1>teams in obviously with the Hall of Fame game. And

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like a broken record, but we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>rookie quarterbacks, your general your general feeling with all the

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<v Speaker 1>rookie quarterbacks getting opportunities, and then of course Jordan Love

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<v Speaker 1>is essentially a rookie quarterback get an opportunity over the weekend. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just a ritual wal in football. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just the nature of the beast. And you know, people

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<v Speaker 1>see a guy throw eighty yard pass and he's, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, put him in the starting line up. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the best quarterback. We just found our next you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick Mahomes. You know that's the fan base. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just how football is. That's how people always buy

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<v Speaker 1>into football, because you always think it's your year, or

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<v Speaker 1>you got the guy, or you know, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was of course all around the National Football

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<v Speaker 1>League because there's all these young quarterbacks coming in that

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<v Speaker 1>people are very high on. Doug who impressed you to

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<v Speaker 1>most this weekend? Um? I mean, like, look, I I

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<v Speaker 1>thought Zach Wilson was good, although you know, part of

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<v Speaker 1>it is what he's doing is in fact scripted. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>so so the scripted throws. But he was crisp, he

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<v Speaker 1>throws a nice ball, he's athletic. Plus it's the Jets

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<v Speaker 1>who were ingrained in our mind that they stink um.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, you know, there's a there was a drive.

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Love had seven drives. Six didn't end up in points,

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<v Speaker 1>but one was was very good. You said, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's a couple of throws he makes. You're like, oh okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would say the guy who has and

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<v Speaker 1>and this is from more from inside and information than

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<v Speaker 1>is to reacting to Twitter or people's comments. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Justin Fields is the guy who over the last week

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<v Speaker 1>has taken his game to another level to where we're

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<v Speaker 1>now like, all right, see Annie Dalton. We know who

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<v Speaker 1>he is, very solid, He's done this for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>But at some point the Bears are going to turn

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<v Speaker 1>it over to Justin Fields. And it does feel like

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<v Speaker 1>a sooner rather than later prospect, considering he has a

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<v Speaker 1>certain gamer aspect to him. He looked very very sharp

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<v Speaker 1>at times. It just does some things that I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the Dalton can't and won't ever be able to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the Bears are gonna bet on that

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<v Speaker 1>sooner rather than later. I would say Fields was the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who most impressed me because I didn't have his

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<v Speaker 1>high expectations maybe, you know. You know, I was at

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<v Speaker 1>Oracle Park in San Francisco and I was watching the

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<v Speaker 1>Giants and the Rockies on Saturday night, and that's when

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<v Speaker 1>the forty nine Ers played, and of course the game

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<v Speaker 1>there was you know, was on in the ballpark and

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<v Speaker 1>there was a guy, you know, one of the clean

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<v Speaker 1>guys there, who went crazy when they saw Trey Lance

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<v Speaker 1>rolled like an eighty yard touchdown pass right and beautiful ball,

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<v Speaker 1>roll to his left and we're back to his right.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a bit of a drop in the bucket

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<v Speaker 1>because the two defenders the safety was completely out of

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<v Speaker 1>out of position. Anyway, Yeah, and he delivered and people

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<v Speaker 1>went crazy, you know, like this guy just went bananas.

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<v Speaker 1>He was working there and he saw it as we

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<v Speaker 1>were waiting in line for food. But you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>made the highlight play. But then if you take a

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<v Speaker 1>closer look at, you know, the rest of the game

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest of his uh play, it wasn't that great.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it was a tough debut. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people love highlights and people get crazy about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. Everybody's ready. I was listening to San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco sports talk radio and everybody's ready for Jimmy Garoppolo

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<v Speaker 1>to pack up and head on out, and they're ready

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<v Speaker 1>for Trey Lance. So you know, like this is just

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<v Speaker 1>the nature of football. So I don't know it's so hard.

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<v Speaker 1>You see some of the greats Dog and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these guys didn't start right away. Right, Well, that's

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<v Speaker 1>let's do that, okay. So so if we go through

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty best quarterbacks of our lifetime, right the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>best quarterback or even the ten best quarterbacks currently, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you go Peyton and Troy Aikman um, Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>Rodgers and Brett Farr, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, um uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like like who else? Like, just keep going

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<v Speaker 1>through all of these quarterbacks, and it's really Carson Palmer,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, is a guy who sat his first year.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you say Carson Palmer or some people like, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>you're throwing him in. Oh he was good, he was

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<v Speaker 1>he was very very good. Um, it's good. Kurt Kurt Warners,

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<v Speaker 1>a Hall of Famer. Of course, Warner was bagging groceries

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<v Speaker 1>and playing in the Arena Football League, right right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, look the all these guys are our

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame caliber quarterbacks, and it really is split

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<v Speaker 1>right down the middle, right Aaron Rodgers and Brett Farve No, um,

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<v Speaker 1>Troy Aikman and he looked right and he got beat

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<v Speaker 1>up his first year, right, and and Peyton man in

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<v Speaker 1>the same right, same same awful leather league interceptions his

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<v Speaker 1>first year, but but figured it out. So I I

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<v Speaker 1>think Peyton Manning has his expression, which is to go,

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<v Speaker 1>which is every receiver is like a story, a story

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<v Speaker 1>unto itself. Every quarterback is a story unto itself. Every

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<v Speaker 1>guy is is different. Yeah, there's no like blueprint like

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Rodgers set almost three years like like Aaron Rodgers.

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<v Speaker 1>Also if you go back and and and I'll credit

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Naigler, who of course is uh the founder of

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<v Speaker 1>Cheesehead TV. Like you go back, Aaron Rodgers was terrible

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<v Speaker 1>in his first two exhibition games, as as correct, terrible

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah he sat behind behind Brett Farve and and

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<v Speaker 1>Dannybody goes well, he was a developmental procecting no washn't

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<v Speaker 1>people thought he'd go number one overall. Oh he was

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<v Speaker 1>in invited to New York, right, and sat in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the last guy in the He was the

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<v Speaker 1>last guy in the in the in the green room. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one of the things that kind of burns within him,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sure, because and you wouldn't have been invited

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<v Speaker 1>if they thought you weren't going to be you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, Like like he he was expected. You're

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<v Speaker 1>exactly right. He dropped into the packers lap and they

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<v Speaker 1>got him, and they had a Hall of Fame quarterback playing,

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<v Speaker 1>so there was no really room for him to play,

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<v Speaker 1>and and you know, so so you know, he took

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<v Speaker 1>a different career path. Troy Yankman was thrown right in there.

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<v Speaker 1>He was bad early on, right, I remember that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's just I don't think there's any particular blueprint, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think on somebody like Garoppolo and Trey Lance. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just talking about them because I was in San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, no, no no, no, but but but but Trey Lances,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the perfect example, right, Like we're we're we're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get rid of the baby with the bathwater, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta be careful not to throughout the baby with

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<v Speaker 1>the bathwater and Garoppolo. We'll see if there's some quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>star of team. You know that Texans cults whatever that

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<v Speaker 1>that has to go out and get a quarterback otherwise,

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<v Speaker 1>like the last time he was a starter at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the season, they lost in the super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>And I will grant you, I thought he showed his

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<v Speaker 1>shortcomings in the Super Bowl, and I understand. I understand

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<v Speaker 1>why Kyle and those guy's like, look, if you can't

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<v Speaker 1>make these throws in the big then you're never gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be able to make these throws go ahead. My issue was,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that they did. Kyle Shanahan has been

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<v Speaker 1>terrible in big games as far as play call and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I mean to me, he choked down

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<v Speaker 1>that Atlanta super Bowl. I know he was the offensive coordinator,

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<v Speaker 1>not the head coach, and he choked down that game.

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<v Speaker 1>And I get it. There were a couple of throws

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<v Speaker 1>that he missed Garoppolo, but all this guy's done is win.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you look at his record, and here's the

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<v Speaker 1>problem I had in that Super Bowl, when you're up

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<v Speaker 1>by ten, Doug with eight minutes to go, you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>run the football. That like, they were running the football,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden they decided, he's they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>throw their way to the end of the game. And

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. Well, the box was stacked and and the look,

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<v Speaker 1>he dialed up a touchdown to Immanuel Sanders and he

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<v Speaker 1>airmailed it, and he threw it. He threw it there.

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<v Speaker 1>There were so many throws there. Look, he didn't play well.

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<v Speaker 1>And and you're you're right about Atlanta. Had they run

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<v Speaker 1>the football against Linda, there is the same thing. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't run the football, and it's totally it. Look. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's fair. It's fair. It's also fair to point

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<v Speaker 1>out that they were up twenty eight to three to

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<v Speaker 1>get there that they did that. You know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>remember Doug I can't get over and Julio Jones made

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible catch on third best catch I've ever seen. No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>they kicked. Look, they kicked the field goal. They run

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<v Speaker 1>the field right the whole the Brady lights and the

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<v Speaker 1>narrow and everything changes. I understand, Okay, but but let's

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<v Speaker 1>not let's not make that decision. Make this decision. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want to say that Kyle Shanahan is very confident

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<v Speaker 1>in his belief and he knows what the quarterbacks should

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<v Speaker 1>look like and that Trey Lance ultimately can get him

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<v Speaker 1>to where he wants to get to. Like okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>the point is that in this particular situation, you have

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<v Speaker 1>Trey Lance, who played one game last season and comes

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<v Speaker 1>from a lower level of college football, and you have

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Garoppolo who could take you to a super Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>like this could not be more like what we had

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<v Speaker 1>in Kansas City, right with Alex Smith Like that one

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<v Speaker 1>to me says, you play Garoppolo absolutely, and then at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the year, or if Garoppolo gets hurt,

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<v Speaker 1>which he is prone to do, or if Garoppolo is

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<v Speaker 1>not playing well, now you can insert Trey Lance or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But let Garoppolo lose the job because if he has to,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's an Alex Smith, there's Alex Smith to him.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's different with Chicago and look, they've been

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<v Speaker 1>here before with Mitchell Trubisky in terms of when they

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<v Speaker 1>want to play a guy. I think it's different because

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have somebody who's taking you to a super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>In a Nanny Dalton, you have Annie Dalton who's just

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<v Speaker 1>a he's just a placeholder, just a guy. He's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately we know he's gonna be beaten out, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's a question of, hey, you can can justin fields

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<v Speaker 1>just survive early on? Can you play kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>the Seahawks did with Russell Wilson, when you run the

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<v Speaker 1>football a ton and hide him and then let his

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<v Speaker 1>natural athletic ability come out every now and again, but

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<v Speaker 1>just really stripped him up and let him learn as

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<v Speaker 1>you go, Like Chicago makes more sense than San Francisco

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<v Speaker 1>does in terms of starting the rookie. Yeah, I agree

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<v Speaker 1>with you. I think because of Garoppolo's resume, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you should start there and he eventually will play himself

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<v Speaker 1>out or does he get hurt? I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>put that out there on anybody dog, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>that's a part of Garoppolo. He gets hurt all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the one, I think the one that's most

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<v Speaker 1>interesting honestly is New England because again, based upon resume,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not close to put Cam out there, and everything

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<v Speaker 1>they've said leads you believe that Cam's like the leader,

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<v Speaker 1>but can't He's not good. He can't throw football. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think if Cam's on that team to meet it,

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<v Speaker 1>the Patriots have only one op two options. Either Cam

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<v Speaker 1>is your starter until he proves that he just can't

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<v Speaker 1>do it anymore, and then you make the move. They

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<v Speaker 1>made too many free agent moves and signings that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like let's load up for the rookie quarterback. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that when I look at the Patriots, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>look I think that they were looking to say, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna give ourselves a shot. We're not in total rebuild

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<v Speaker 1>for what they did. And the other thing is, um,

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<v Speaker 1>if Cam isn't the starter, dug, he can't be on

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<v Speaker 1>the team. You gotta let him go and release him.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't see him as being the backup quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand. I understand. It's like it's like the Carmelo

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony I Dono or Allen Iverson. I don't know any

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<v Speaker 1>MVP to come off the bench, right Like, I get that,

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<v Speaker 1>But if you listen to him. First, he accepted a

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<v Speaker 1>contract for three point five million dollars, that's backup quarterback money. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if you listen to Cam like he's become incredibly enjoyable,

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<v Speaker 1>his press conferences are he's very matter of fact about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think he understands this mentorship role. Now

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<v Speaker 1>does that mean that he wants to come out the

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<v Speaker 1>bench week one? Hell no, of course not. Everybody has

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<v Speaker 1>an ego, and especially a guy who's the MVP and

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to wants to prove himself. But I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>disagree with you. I think Cam's in it for the

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<v Speaker 1>long haul. I really do. I think he gets like

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to be in this league for a long

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<v Speaker 1>time and otherwise Cam's gonna have to go be a commentator,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, going to be to be on TV next

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<v Speaker 1>year because they're just the league has spoken. There isn't

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<v Speaker 1>a there isn't a hey, Cam, come and start. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean the perfect example is their game this year. The

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<v Speaker 1>Patriots first preseding game is against the Washington football team.

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<v Speaker 1>It's coached by Ron Rivera, who he helped take Take

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<v Speaker 1>to the Super Bowl. Rivera has had plenty of opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>to sign Cam Newton for no money at all, has

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<v Speaker 1>offered no desire to do so. Why is that because

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<v Speaker 1>he knows Cam can't play anymore. He can't throw, can't throw.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. The only thing is I'm not so sure

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<v Speaker 1>when you say it like that matter of factory that Bill?

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<v Speaker 1>What is Bill Belichick game by keeping Cam Newton? He

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't owe Cam Newton anything. I know he's had high

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<v Speaker 1>praise for I think he respect I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>he respects that. I think I think I think people

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<v Speaker 1>respect him. That that position is about work, ethic, respect,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. But if you're saying point blank he can't

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<v Speaker 1>throw to football, it's hard to be a quarterback. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>when I say he can't throw the ball, doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>he physically can't pick it up. He can't throw a

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<v Speaker 1>football accurately, accurately enough okay, to survive and be a

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<v Speaker 1>viable threatened. Why they brought him back? They could have

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<v Speaker 1>easily because he's a stud as a guy. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>stud as a guy, and they want to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm if I'm putting together a boy's choir, then okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's bring Cam Newton in. I want a football player.

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<v Speaker 1>I just why Chase Chase Chase Daniel is with the

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<v Speaker 1>LA Chargers, their backup making making similar money. Why is

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<v Speaker 1>Chase Daniel having jobs stead of a guy knows the

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<v Speaker 1>offense leads, you know, leads justin Herbert, you know if

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<v Speaker 1>I have to play spots start and come in and play.

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise I'm just the right guy to be in that room.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just the people. They like certain people, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>those jobs go. It's like Tim Tebow being on the

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<v Speaker 1>roster in Jacksonville will go. You also, you also have

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<v Speaker 1>to you also have to know the offense right where

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<v Speaker 1>Chase Daniel is with New Orleans and understands the offense

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<v Speaker 1>and Lombardies the offensive lot is the Lombards the offensive coordinator, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to know the offense and Cam having been

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<v Speaker 1>there last year. Like look, I agree with you generally

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<v Speaker 1>in premise. Like I if you would have told me

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<v Speaker 1>a year ago that Cam Newton would be okay, doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean he'd like it, but he'd be okay at some

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<v Speaker 1>point coming off the bench and being just a mentor

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<v Speaker 1>to a Mac Jones, I would have said, no way,

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<v Speaker 1>no way. But you don't sign a contract for three

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<v Speaker 1>and a half million dollars as a quarterback in the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL if you don't know that's back up quarterback money.

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<v Speaker 1>That backup quarterback money. Okay, So I believe it. I

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<v Speaker 1>buy into the Cam does want to mentor Mac Jones

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<v Speaker 1>do I think he wants to give away the starting

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<v Speaker 1>spot right away. No, he wants to prove himself. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>and and he couldn't throw football last year well enough,

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<v Speaker 1>they looked for less than a hundred yards like three

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<v Speaker 1>or four different times. It was embarrassing, but they and

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<v Speaker 1>that team found a way to win seven games. They

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<v Speaker 1>had no talent, eight guys opted out. They were they

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<v Speaker 1>were That's yeah, that's the part that that last year

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<v Speaker 1>I just had. There was a part in the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of the season. You remember when they lost to the Seahawks.

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<v Speaker 1>He got stopped at the one yard line. He was great,

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<v Speaker 1>he stopped watching. He couldn't play after that, no, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he got COVID and then it was just

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<v Speaker 1>a mess. I want to see one year. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to see him start again. And if he can't play,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't you make the move? But I'm starting Kim Newton

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm Bill Belichick. Over the weekend, uh, Tim Tebow

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<v Speaker 1>went viral and not in the not in the best way.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say there are two viral videos from the

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<v Speaker 1>weekend which have nothing to do with rookie quarterbacks in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL. ROB the two viral videos everybody's talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen did we send him the rams fight yet?

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<v Speaker 1>Did we do we send him that one? Yay? Where

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's always the cup thrower. There was a lady

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<v Speaker 1>looked like she was wearing a circus tent for a shirt,

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<v Speaker 1>who led in a pepsi which started a melee, which

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<v Speaker 1>which triggered a melee. Uh in the in Sofi stadium, right,

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<v Speaker 1>there was that one, And then there was the Tim

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<v Speaker 1>Tebow tries to block video, which have you seen that one? Rob? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm still waiting for the block. Well. Even worse

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<v Speaker 1>yet was the very next play they lined up and

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<v Speaker 1>he again tried to block, and it was it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was bad. Look here's what I was, Here's what

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<v Speaker 1>I was told about the Tebow thing. Yeah, please please

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<v Speaker 1>help me with this, and I do, I do want

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<v Speaker 1>I can explain what I mean. It's it's pretty easy

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<v Speaker 1>explanation why he's there and everything. But I think what

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<v Speaker 1>happens is we're all under this impression that Jacksonville is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to sell tickets and he's gonna make the team.

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<v Speaker 1>I was I was told that, like, look, they put

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<v Speaker 1>him on they put Tim Tebow on some season tickets,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know when when they have the packets of

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<v Speaker 1>actual physical tickets, right, they have like a play year

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<v Speaker 1>on tickets, and they had like Tim Tebow, and they

0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:05.840
<v Speaker 1>were using Tim Tebow in their ad campaign and Ermeyer

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<v Speaker 1>got winned of it. He was like, you what are

0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.880
<v Speaker 1>you doing? You gotta you gotta stop. He's not making

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<v Speaker 1>He's not making the team. I think everybody knew he's

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<v Speaker 1>not making the team, but it is it is interesting

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<v Speaker 1>on how god he's become the butt of like every

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<v Speaker 1>joke considering how badly he whipped on a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>those blocks. Yes, and it's just I don't get Herbert Meyer.

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<v Speaker 1>I really really don't. Dog. I don't know him. He

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<v Speaker 1>worked at you know, Fox, and I saw him in

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<v Speaker 1>once in a while. Seems like a nice man has

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<v Speaker 1>had a great corro career as a college coach, but

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<v Speaker 1>his missteps in Jacksonville to start, I just don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really I'm just surprised by it. A you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what was the strength and conditioning coach who had the

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<v Speaker 1>racial issue? Where was that at Iowa? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, look, I think it's I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's I think that was it. That was

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<v Speaker 1>a mistake. I will point out that most dudes, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's plenty of black players have come through Iowa that

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<v Speaker 1>swear By the guy, like Iowa's strength program was was revered,

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<v Speaker 1>was absolutely revered. And but that being it's being look,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's being tone deaf to the times and the

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<v Speaker 1>way in which he was handled just that it was

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't right. But like, look that's that's really my

0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:27.880
<v Speaker 1>thing is like just the way the way it was handled.

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<v Speaker 1>He swore By the guy talked about them being at Utah.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't even at Utah together. But but like he

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<v Speaker 1>he stood up for this and then quickly when he

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<v Speaker 1>got the pushback from players, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>realize this isn't a fight worth it. Okay, So so

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<v Speaker 1>that was bad. Then you bring Tebow in and you're

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<v Speaker 1>asking a thirty four year old guy who hadn't been

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<v Speaker 1>in the league for ten years, who's never played that position.

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<v Speaker 1>You can hurt yourself as a coach if players feel

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<v Speaker 1>and Doug, you know this. You've played team sport. Players

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<v Speaker 1>know who belongs on the belong on the team. Listen, Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's no there's there's no question, Okay that you

0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:10.679
<v Speaker 1>can't fool players, right, you can. You cannot fool players

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<v Speaker 1>not play, and you can lose it, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>lose the locker room. The other part too, it is

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<v Speaker 1>let's just let's be realistic here, though, players also value, okay,

0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:24.560
<v Speaker 1>value guys that are loyal. And if the argument is like,

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<v Speaker 1>hey man, the guy the only guy who's gonna give

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<v Speaker 1>him a shot is his college coach, Okay, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>in the one area where he's super popular, and you

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<v Speaker 1>give him a shot and you fail, and you and

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<v Speaker 1>you let him go, and you're not You're not the

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<v Speaker 1>worst for it, okay, Because that's that is how it

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<v Speaker 1>works in the league. Is when guys are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>stay in the league or get back in the league,

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<v Speaker 1>it's always for a position coach or a head coach

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<v Speaker 1>who they had success with. Right, and they throw him

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<v Speaker 1>a lifeline and they give him one last opportunity. Like

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<v Speaker 1>every everyone, you go, you go and trace these older

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<v Speaker 1>players and older I just told you about Chase Daniel, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Chase Daniel is only in LA with the Chargers not

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<v Speaker 1>because he can play, but because he has a relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>a knowledge of the offense and a relationship with the

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<v Speaker 1>offensive coordinate from their time together in New Orleans. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the way the back end of the league actually works, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So all that makes sense, it does. At some point though,

0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:17.399
<v Speaker 1>you gotta he can't play, you gotta move on. I

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<v Speaker 1>understand the opportunity, but you know now that you play

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<v Speaker 1>real football, and the tape is out there, even if

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<v Speaker 1>it's preseason tape, it's so bad. It was it was

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<v Speaker 1>like it was It was like it was like I

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<v Speaker 1>was I was at I was at Chargers or Rams camp. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been to both a couple of times. And one

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and after Tibo had that touchdown catch in the end

0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:41.680
<v Speaker 1>zone right where people went crazy about if you actually

0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:43.879
<v Speaker 1>watched it, like he caught it with his forearms, right,

0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:47.040
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a natural smooth catch, and so what the

0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:49.440
<v Speaker 1>world was reacting to. Most people in football were like, goah,

0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:51.960
<v Speaker 1>that was bad. Actually right, it looked terrible. But but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's anything sinister at play here. I

0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:56.640
<v Speaker 1>just think it's somebody's old coach giving him an opportunity

0:23:56.680 --> 0:23:59.439
<v Speaker 1>in the place where he's super popular, and you give

0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:01.560
<v Speaker 1>him a shot, it's not good enough, and you cut

0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:03.960
<v Speaker 1>him that. That's it. You carried ninety, you gotta cut

0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the fifty three and you cut him. All right, Let's

0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.240
<v Speaker 1>let's welcome in Matt Hayes who joins us. Uh. You

0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:12.480
<v Speaker 1>can see his work on Stadium Hey, which which is

0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:15.800
<v Speaker 1>twenty four or seven. It's available digitally, or you can

0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:19.760
<v Speaker 1>hear him on ten ten xcel in Jacksonville. Matt, I

0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:22.760
<v Speaker 1>do obviously want to get to Trevor Lawrence and the

0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 1>guys are going to play on Sundays for the Jags.

0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:27.399
<v Speaker 1>But how much longer are we gonna go with the

0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:31.960
<v Speaker 1>tebow thing? You know what Urban Meyer value is winning

0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 1>over everything or any player he loved or any player

0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:38.119
<v Speaker 1>he coached. He values winning. He's a coach at the

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:39.879
<v Speaker 1>end of the day. He's not going to keep a

0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:41.439
<v Speaker 1>guy if he can't help him win the end. At

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:43.199
<v Speaker 1>the end of the story, he will not keep him

0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:46.320
<v Speaker 1>if he can up winning. Based on you know, Saturday's game,

0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:50.480
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't look good. What was it? What's the fan

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:54.760
<v Speaker 1>base like the Tebow? I mean, I get it. There

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 1>was a time Jacksonville had a chance to get him

0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:59.160
<v Speaker 1>as a quarterback when he needed to sell tickets, Day

0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:02.399
<v Speaker 1>passed on a I mean everybody, and and so a

0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:07.760
<v Speaker 1>thirty four year old guy trying to change positions against

0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 1>these younger, stronger guys, he's had to put up a

0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:15.000
<v Speaker 1>go up against what was it? Was it Tebomania down

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.960
<v Speaker 1>there or that pep? Was it tempered? What was it? Well?

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think they love the guy here, there's

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.040
<v Speaker 1>no doubt about that. He's he's like not only a

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:25.440
<v Speaker 1>hero sports hero, but he's a hero off the field

0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 1>as well. So they'd love to see him make the team.

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:31.200
<v Speaker 1>But again, this goes back to football. This isn't about

0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:33.520
<v Speaker 1>he's a great guy. This isn't about he's a lightning

0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 1>ride off the field, whatever you want to talk about.

0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:37.879
<v Speaker 1>This is about can you play? Can you help a

0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:40.320
<v Speaker 1>team win games? And if he can't, he's going to

0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 1>get cut. It's as simple as that and and I

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:45.560
<v Speaker 1>know it's it's really easy to have, you know, the

0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:48.240
<v Speaker 1>back and forth, and it makes everybody happy and everybody screams.

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:50.160
<v Speaker 1>But look, at the end of the day, it's about

0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:53.560
<v Speaker 1>winning games. Urban Meyer spoiled to one thing, winning games,

0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 1>and that's it. Uh okay, let let's get to Trevor Lawrence.

0:25:57.400 --> 0:26:00.360
<v Speaker 1>How do you look a lot of people really good?

0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean that that one throw, that one deep throw,

0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:05.320
<v Speaker 1>the deep thing that he threw when Marvin Jones junior,

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:07.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, before Marvin Jones junior turnaround was right on him.

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's an NFL throw that a lot of

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:12.400
<v Speaker 1>quarterback in that league can't made. So he's I think

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:14.680
<v Speaker 1>he's he's learning. He's got a long way to go,

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:17.160
<v Speaker 1>there's no doubt about it. But you could see the talent,

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:20.440
<v Speaker 1>you can see his ability. I think the bigger issue

0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:22.080
<v Speaker 1>is the offensive line in front of him. I mean,

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:24.359
<v Speaker 1>if they can't protect him, it's gonna be a very

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:27.440
<v Speaker 1>long season or even a short season having to very

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 1>a Vegas injured. What what are the expectations. I know,

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.120
<v Speaker 1>when you get a new coach and a legendary college

0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:38.400
<v Speaker 1>coach and his you know, jump into the NFL everybody's

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:42.280
<v Speaker 1>uh expecting things? What what? What? What do you expect

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:45.639
<v Speaker 1>from this team in seventeen games. I mean it's a

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>one or fifteen team. If you're talking about what are

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:49.639
<v Speaker 1>the fans here in Jacksons will expect. I mean a

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:51.439
<v Speaker 1>lot of them are thinking playoffs, which is I mean,

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:54.199
<v Speaker 1>it's laughable. It's the one in fifteen team and it's

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:58.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna take a year one in sixteen issue. Right well, right,

0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:00.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they'll be that bad. I don't think

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the W one and sixteen. But the reality is they're

0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:05.440
<v Speaker 1>they're a bad team last year and they've got better

0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:09.879
<v Speaker 1>players now, they've got a better staff now, But it

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:11.800
<v Speaker 1>still comes down to you can you blocking, can you

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:13.639
<v Speaker 1>get after the other guys quarterback? And I think those

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:16.000
<v Speaker 1>are the two huge issues for them right now. I

0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know that they can pressure the other team's quarterback

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:20.439
<v Speaker 1>effect the passing game. And I don't know that they

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 1>can protect their own quarterback. And in this game a

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 1>football and boat levels college football in the NFL, where

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 1>it's now a vertical passing game, you can't protect your quarterback.

0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:33.880
<v Speaker 1>You're a deep deep trouble um. Yes, I would say,

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:36.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and you Matt Hayes joining US ten ten

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:38.440
<v Speaker 1>XL and Jacksonville course. I also see his work on

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.680
<v Speaker 1>on stating the digital network Doug gotlie Brob Parker in

0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:44.880
<v Speaker 1>for Dan Dan, that's Dan Patrick show Fox Sports TRADEO. Look,

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:46.800
<v Speaker 1>all of that is fair, guys, But Matt, you tell

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 1>me if I'm wrong. I don't think it's as much

0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:52.440
<v Speaker 1>people saying they're going to be awesome. It's like, look,

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Houston's a dumpster fire. India has no quarterback, right and

0:27:57.440 --> 0:27:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and as much as Tennessee's very good, they've got seven

0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:02.399
<v Speaker 1>team games, one more playoffs by like, look, we might

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>be able to sneak sneak in there. And and as

0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:08.400
<v Speaker 1>much as they were won in seventeen, they're actually pretty

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:10.959
<v Speaker 1>competitive in spots last year even as a bad football

0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 1>team upgraded the roster. And we've seen plenty of last

0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:16.879
<v Speaker 1>to first in the NFL. No, no, no, no, no, no.

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, like, look, this is the this is the

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.880
<v Speaker 1>this is the reasonable thoughts of an unreasonable fan base.

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Like it's it's not as crazy as you think, but

0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:29.159
<v Speaker 1>but here's the thing. Let's start with this. Or Myers

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 1>won everywhere he's been, this is a different animal Okay, Up,

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting I'm getting to it, Rock, I'm getting to it. Okay.

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>But like lots of guys have won everywhere they've been

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:45.680
<v Speaker 1>in college and come here, does he know what he's

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 1>doing at this level of football? Yeah, I don't think

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 1>there's any question he knows. And to be honest, he's

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 1>been given a key. It's his decision. Every decision they

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 1>make is going to be run through him. It's as

0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>simple as that. And look, he goes back to the

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 1>idea of it's football. Football is football. If you get players,

0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 1>and you get the right players, he put them in

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.720
<v Speaker 1>a position to be successful, you can win games. Now, look,

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 1>it's it's the hype here for him, for Trevor Lawrence.

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 1>You guys have to understand, this franchise has been god

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 1>awful for more for more years than they've been around,

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 1>all right, So you look at where they're at. This

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 1>fan base is just passionate. They want a winner. They're

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 1>desperate for a winner. They're not just crazy idiots run

0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 1>around who think they're gonna make the playoffs. But they

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 1>also realize, look, this is a potential with this guy,

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 1>just once in a generation quarterback, and this coach who had,

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, the ultimate success at the college level. Why

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 1>won't it work. Why can't it work in more than anything,

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Why can't it work better than what they had in

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 1>the past. So that's really what the what the expectation,

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:49.160
<v Speaker 1>the hype is all about around here. I don't know

0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>if it'll ever be as good as it was a

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 1>few it wasn't that long ago to an AFC Championship

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:57.480
<v Speaker 1>game and had a ten point lead in the fourth

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:01.719
<v Speaker 1>quarter at Foxboro. Man, No, that team was good at

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the defense let them down in that one. Uh uh,

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>they had a shot. That team had a terrible quarterback.

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 1>That was fools goal. That that that that was a

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 1>that was a that was a. Rex Grossman asked, like

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:14.719
<v Speaker 1>good in spite of the quarter Remember when they went

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 1>to Pittsburgh. No, listen, he played the game. He played

0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 1>the game of his life there. We we have. We

0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 1>have enough data I have, But they were when you're

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 1>telling me, you're telling me you're gonna be in the

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 1>AFC Championship Game in the next five years under Urban Myers,

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 1>what I'm asking, will they be in the champion game? Yeah?

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Five years. I think they've got a really good chance

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 1>of being the AC championship. I'll say, no, they don't

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 1>make in the next five years. Well, I mean, and

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 1>he'll be. You have to be you have to be

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>a little lucky. You have to make the right even

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 1>even when you make the right calls, the guy's got

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 1>to stay healthy. There's a there's a lot, there's a

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 1>lot more more to Matt Hayes joining us here, Doug

0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 1>gotlie Brod Parker and for dan and and the Danettes. Um, okay,

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 1>so let me do. Let me slay this real quick.

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I think it's more than just coaching too. It's also

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 1>a value in talent and recognize yes players, and I

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>think you look at when you get a guy like

0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Walker Little in the second round. They knew Walker Little

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 1>had to knee and drew, they knew he sat out

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 1>last season because of COVID. That's going to be a

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:11.720
<v Speaker 1>ten or twelve year time. He's going to be a

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>big time player in the league. Well, look, that's Matt, Matt,

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 1>that's the that's the guy like Andre Cisco the state

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:20.680
<v Speaker 1>of Syracuse, who was a fantastic player in college, blew

0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 1>out of the in October. Everybody passed on him. They

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>picked him up in the third round. That kid's also

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 1>going to be an eight ten year starter for them.

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:30.160
<v Speaker 1>So it's an idea of recognizing players, getting the players,

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and then developing them well. That that's and that's the

0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 1>that's where all this makes sense to me, Matt, is

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 1>that it's a little bit like it's different, but a

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 1>little bit like when Pete Carroll took over with the Seahawks,

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>where did he and he didn't personally recruit guys as

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 1>much as Urban and some of the guys in his staff,

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 1>but the depth of knowledge to these guys because of

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 1>their time in college covering when he covered college, and

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 1>of course the evaluators and he's a very good talent

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:58.920
<v Speaker 1>evaluators as well. That using that strength in the college

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 1>game and also the knowledge of these guys to strategically

0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 1>draft guys later, that's what when Pete Carroll got to Seattle, right,

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 1>that's where they passed on Taylor Mays and end up

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 1>making all these smart decisions. That part of the plan

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>makes makes complete sense, complete sense to me. Let me,

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 1>let me ask you that because what they're trying to

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 1>do is essentially like the team they're playing against has done,

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 1>which is Cleveland is bad forever and they just stacked

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 1>talent after talent after talent. They finally figured like right,

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 1>they finally figured out the quarterback position well enough so

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 1>that now Cleveland is a is a playoff team again.

0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 1>I know you didn't see much of the ones when

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 1>they matched up, but how big a gap is there

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 1>between with Cleveland thrown out there when Jacksonville is thrown

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 1>out there? I mean there's a gap right now, there's

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 1>no doubt about that. They're They're a long way from Cleveland,

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I think. But but I will say this to your point, Dog,

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 1>is the way you get better in this league. As

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 1>you draft, you draft out of your problems. And there's

0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>too many teams try and go free agency and that

0:32:57.680 --> 0:32:59.959
<v Speaker 1>just doesn't work. You've got to draft your way out

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.880
<v Speaker 1>the problems. And and look, I get the whole idea

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>that Irban Myers never been in the league, and there's

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:06.960
<v Speaker 1>a history of college coaches failing. I get all of that.

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 1>But if you've got a guy that understands talent and

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>knows talent, you've got a better chance of him changing

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 1>that trend. And that's that's really what they're banking on here. Yeah,

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:17.000
<v Speaker 1>will he do it? I don't know. My guess is

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 1>that he's a good enough guy that knows talent that

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 1>he can make it, make it work. And I think

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>by his first draft, clearly he knows what's going on

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 1>with as far as players and but three players. But

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:29.640
<v Speaker 1>the problem is in the AFC, you got all these

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 1>teams with these young, dynamic quarterbacks already ahead of them.

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>The Bills aren't going anywhere in the next five years.

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 1>The Chiefs aren't going anywhere in the next five years.

0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 1>The Ravens aren't going anywhere in the next five years.

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Even the Bengals have their their quarterback. I just keep looking,

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Browns are there. I'm just saying when I look a

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>thing away we're talking about with the Bills, the Bills

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 1>are the exact this is that's the blueprint. Right, No,

0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Bills are about five years from now. These teams already

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of them, I understand. But look, the Bills are

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<v Speaker 1>bad for twelve thirteen years, right. They bring in this

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.440
<v Speaker 1>coaching staff along with Brandon Bean, and they start drafting

0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 1>and they have a defense, offense, line, run the football,

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:15.319
<v Speaker 1>and the first two years Josh Hollen was not particularly good.

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:17.880
<v Speaker 1>And then by the time he figures it out, now

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 1>they're a perennial playoff team. Right, we're looking at the

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Bills through a lens of today and we're not looking

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 1>at it. This was what it was like when these

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.719
<v Speaker 1>guys took over. I get that, but I'm telling you,

0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:31.479
<v Speaker 1>if you're talking about the next five years, I don't

0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 1>see did Jaguars jumping over any of these teams in

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 1>for the AFC championship. That's all that you can. You

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:40.799
<v Speaker 1>can you can help us out though he's talking about young,

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 1>dynamic quarterbacks. Isn't that the way we viewed Trevor Lawrence?

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Maybe not now, but in terms of as a prospect

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 1>and as the potential, like he's he's he's I almost

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 1>think he's forgetting they got Trevor Lawrence is the one

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 1>guy that everybody won saved for five years from now.

0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:00.880
<v Speaker 1>That's all I can say this. I had multiple NFL

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 1>scouts tell me last year during the college football season

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:05.759
<v Speaker 1>that Lawrence was you know, every keeps saying he's as

0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:09.320
<v Speaker 1>good a prospects as Luck. Multi multiple scouts tell me

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 1>he was better prospect than Luck as good a prospects.

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:14.759
<v Speaker 1>It's a guy named Elway. So you're starting from that

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:17.239
<v Speaker 1>point right there. Okay, when you start with him in

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>the league. Now, if he fails, he fails. But if

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 1>you're starting at that point and he gets better every

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:24.920
<v Speaker 1>season and he is a player everyone thinks he's going

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:27.839
<v Speaker 1>to be, that team is going to be very, very

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<v Speaker 1>good in five years. We're also a couple weeks away

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<v Speaker 1>from college football, Matt, I gotta have you on my

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 1>show to college football. I'm ready. I know you're ready

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:37.360
<v Speaker 1>as well. Thanks so much for joining us. I know

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 1>you got a big show of your own upcoming. Matt Hayes, Matt,

0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 1>great stuff. Thanks for joining us. Okay, so thank you,

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Matt Hayes. And of course he's covered college football for years.

0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 1>You see him on stadium, and of course he's got

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 1>his own show in Jacksonville. M Rob Parker is the

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 1>one guy who brings the passion for Major League baseball

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:58.279
<v Speaker 1>field the dreams in Iowa. Doug, please, you saw it.

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:01.320
<v Speaker 1>I didn't the stock Off run it It was amazing.

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 1>It was amazing. But what's amazing about what maybe more

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 1>amazing is as the one guy who wants to talk

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Major League Baseball on the national airwaves. He has a

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 1>horrific take about Fernando Tatis Junior will allow him to

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 1>give us his take and then I'll tell him why

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 1>he's wrong. That's up Covin next in The Dan Patricks Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific along with Chris Brussart, very very good show. It

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 1>could not recommend it more. I would also tell you, though,

0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 1>that Rob Parker is a talented scribe, right, like a

0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:40.439
<v Speaker 1>talented scribe and writing for years years, thirty five years, Doug,

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:43.279
<v Speaker 1>can you believe that? Unbelievable to me? So look, there's

0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:48.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna be hits, There's gonna be missus mostly. And okay,

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:52.399
<v Speaker 1>I as a baseball guy, you love baseball, maybe more

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 1>so than anybody else. We all love baseball, right, and

0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I thought it can nobody loves more than me, you know,

0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:01.640
<v Speaker 1>fair enough? Right? Okay? So but where was I this weekend?

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:04.919
<v Speaker 1>In San Francisco? Where will I be next week? I'll

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:07.840
<v Speaker 1>be uh in Houston. Next weekend, I'll be in Houston,

0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 1>and I'll be in Miami for baseball games. That's that's

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:15.480
<v Speaker 1>what I do. Okay. So with that comes um a

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 1>sort of batting average on times it takes, you know,

0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:20.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of that that that looks like a baseball player

0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 1>like you know, you know, you hit about three hundred

0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:27.320
<v Speaker 1>year columns. Um your your last piece for dead spin, okay,

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 1>was that Fernando Tattis give him the MVP even though

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 1>he's only you know, played eighty some odd games eighty

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 1>nine games, right, okay, And but he's still need a

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:38.759
<v Speaker 1>leading the league in home runs and he's a dynamic player.

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:41.360
<v Speaker 1>But that wasn't. The point that jumped out of me

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:44.400
<v Speaker 1>was your assessment that he's the best player in baseball,

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.520
<v Speaker 1>which is it's a to me, okay, go you make

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:49.759
<v Speaker 1>your case why he's the best player in baseball. Well,

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and this is not I'm not going to

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:55.640
<v Speaker 1>have to make my case by knocking down Shohei Otani,

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:59.080
<v Speaker 1>who's a great player in his own right. But I'm

0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 1>talking about the impact show Hay as good as he is.

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's batting two seventy and yes he's seven

0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 1>and one pitching, and the Angels are no good and

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.320
<v Speaker 1>they're not gonna make the playoffs again, and it just

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:16.400
<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem and I'm not putting it all on him.

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Baseball is different than basketball, Doug. You know that where

0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:22.120
<v Speaker 1>you can be a great player and if you don't

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:24.319
<v Speaker 1>have pitching or you don't have defense, it doesn't matter.

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:26.239
<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna win anything or you're not gonna make

0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:29.319
<v Speaker 1>the play. So but but the difference and so I'm

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:32.880
<v Speaker 1>not using that route. It's just what you are teas. No,

0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:37.200
<v Speaker 1>it's what tattoosse means to that Padres team and when

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:40.959
<v Speaker 1>he's in the lineup, and the difference on that team

0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 1>and what their expectations is are I should say when

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:48.319
<v Speaker 1>he's playing And I already talked he's been hurt three

0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:51.320
<v Speaker 1>times this year. He also missed eight games with COVID.

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:54.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this guy is like and they just moved him.

0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:59.240
<v Speaker 1>He was the all starting shortstop for the National League

0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 1>and the alls our game in Denver this year and

0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 1>guess where they just moved him to? Right feel he

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>played his first game in the outfield in his major

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 1>league career, and Doug he had two home runs, went

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 1>four for five, Like, he hasn't missed anytimes. This is

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:16.799
<v Speaker 1>a guy dealing with a separated shoulder that has been

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 1>re injured two other times after the initial injury, and

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:25.879
<v Speaker 1>he fights his way through and he's just and I'm

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:28.840
<v Speaker 1>not saying he's the perfect player, but I've never he

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 1>has numbers for the first sixty one sixty two of

0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 1>his career better than anybody who's ever played the game. Okay,

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:39.279
<v Speaker 1>And all I'm saying is he's the best player. He's

0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:41.800
<v Speaker 1>a natural league MVP, and he's the best player in baseball.

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 1>He's not the best player in baseball. You have you

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.480
<v Speaker 1>have a guy who's a top twenty starting pitcher and

0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:50.160
<v Speaker 1>a guy who has the best OPS. He's the number

0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:53.319
<v Speaker 1>three starter. He's not even the number one starter. Let's not, Doug.

0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Let's not get crazy. Yes he is, but part of

0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 1>it is ever like if you've having talked to major

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:03.279
<v Speaker 1>league people and talk to baseball people, that I'll tell you,

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:06.600
<v Speaker 1>like they think his arm is actually the best part.

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:10.239
<v Speaker 1>That's actually what he does best, but he can't concentrate

0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 1>on it because he doesn't have the days off and

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:15.759
<v Speaker 1>the ability the way that every other starter does. He's

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:18.400
<v Speaker 1>a good starter, and he's the best hitter in baseball

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 1>based upon actual stats to people use nowadays in baseball,

0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:24.680
<v Speaker 1>which is OPS and slugging OPS plus. Like, he's neither

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:28.239
<v Speaker 1>number one or number two Otani and you can say, hey,

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 1>the Padres are a playoff team, and hell, they might

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:33.880
<v Speaker 1>be the best team in the NL if he was

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.480
<v Speaker 1>healthy the whole year. Okay, I would make the case

0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:39.080
<v Speaker 1>that the Angels are crummy ross. Remember they had Mike

0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Trout for just a very short period of time, and

0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:44.000
<v Speaker 1>they're five hundred. They're not closed to five hundred if

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:46.719
<v Speaker 1>you don't have show hey Otani, not close. What he's

0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 1>doing has never been done in the modern era of

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:53.520
<v Speaker 1>baseball as a pitcher and as a hitter. It's real,

0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 1>he's the best player. It's not really close. It doesn't

0:41:57.160 --> 0:42:00.200
<v Speaker 1>mean that tatus is not an incredible player in his

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.319
<v Speaker 1>own right. But to be best, to be a top

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:05.799
<v Speaker 1>twenty pitcher, and to be the best hitter in baseball, um,

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's sho hey o. Tani is the best

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 1>player and then everybody else is worthy of discussion. And

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:15.120
<v Speaker 1>that's really I believe how it Yeah, I don't show

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>hay in the last fifteen games batting two seventeen. Why

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 1>are you using batting average? No? No, no, no no.

0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Why are you using batting average? Could? Why are you

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 1>the guy? You're you're you're you're a baseball guy, because

0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:31.320
<v Speaker 1>but baseball guys don't use batting average, they don't use RBIs.

0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Nobody does that anymore? What you you think seventy four

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:38.800
<v Speaker 1>RBIs in eighty nine games is useless information. Yes, do

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:41.520
<v Speaker 1>you really believe that? Yes? Don't? Yes, where does he

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:45.880
<v Speaker 1>hit in the lineup? He batted leadoff yesterday? Correct that

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:47.520
<v Speaker 1>we're not gonna have the RBI. You're not gonna have

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 1>no RBIs. RBI is based upon if there's other players

0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:52.839
<v Speaker 1>on your team that can get on base. It has

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:55.239
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with your own success. That's why there's

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:58.839
<v Speaker 1>calculations for it. Right, it doesn't matter RB when you're

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:00.920
<v Speaker 1>the leadoff hitter. You're not gonna have URBI because you

0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:03.239
<v Speaker 1>got your seven, eight nine hitters and in front of you.

0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:07.879
<v Speaker 1>Even the war is very comparable. And the four point

0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:11.320
<v Speaker 1>nine to four point six, it's not like he's running away.

0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 1>I didn't say all the guys who have But wait

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 1>wait so so he has a better wins above replacement? Right,

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:22.080
<v Speaker 1>So what you said about for Nano Tattis Junior, which

0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:24.320
<v Speaker 1>is a great argument, is he means more. There is

0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 1>actually a statistical calculation in baseball for how good they

0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:30.640
<v Speaker 1>are with you how good they are without you. It's

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:34.719
<v Speaker 1>called wins above replacement, and and and the numbers say

0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 1>that Joho tany actually has a better war then for

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Nano Tattis Junior, do they nine No, I get that,

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:43.759
<v Speaker 1>but he's also doing something and I and I get

0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 1>the novelty of being a pitcher and a hitter, and

0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:49.800
<v Speaker 1>he's a great player. I would if I'm starting a

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:53.440
<v Speaker 1>team and I'm a general manager, I would take Fernando

0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 1>Tatts number one. Period. I would Doug, Okay, you can

0:43:57.880 --> 0:43:59.839
<v Speaker 1>be that guy. I mean, you've made lots of strong

0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:01.640
<v Speaker 1>and wrong takes in the past, and I respect you

0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:04.400
<v Speaker 1>for it, right you Sneaki Rob Parker sticks that flag

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the island of takes, which rookie quarterback

0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:11.719
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