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Speaker 1: And here we are again another week one of the
Speaker 1: entire league playing preseason games. A couple teams are two
Speaker 1: teams in obviously with the Hall of Fame game. And
Speaker 1: I feel like a broken record, but we talk about
Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks, your general your general feeling with all the
Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks getting opportunities, and then of course Jordan Love
Speaker 1: is essentially a rookie quarterback get an opportunity over the weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a ritual wal in football. It's
Speaker 1: just the nature of the beast. And you know, people
Speaker 1: see a guy throw eighty yard pass and he's, oh
Speaker 1: my god, put him in the starting line up. He's
Speaker 1: the best quarterback. We just found our next you know,
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. You know that's the fan base. You know,
Speaker 1: that's just how football is. That's how people always buy
Speaker 1: into football, because you always think it's your year, or
Speaker 1: you got the guy, or you know, here we go.
Speaker 1: And that was of course all around the National Football
Speaker 1: League because there's all these young quarterbacks coming in that
Speaker 1: people are very high on. Doug who impressed you to
Speaker 1: most this weekend? Um? I mean, like, look, I I
Speaker 1: thought Zach Wilson was good, although you know, part of
Speaker 1: it is what he's doing is in fact scripted. You know,
Speaker 1: so so the scripted throws. But he was crisp, he
Speaker 1: throws a nice ball, he's athletic. Plus it's the Jets
Speaker 1: who were ingrained in our mind that they stink um.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, there's a there was a drive.
Speaker 1: Jordan Love had seven drives. Six didn't end up in points,
Speaker 1: but one was was very good. You said, and there's
Speaker 1: there's a couple of throws he makes. You're like, oh okay.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say the guy who has and
Speaker 1: and this is from more from inside and information than
Speaker 1: is to reacting to Twitter or people's comments. I think
Speaker 1: Justin Fields is the guy who over the last week
Speaker 1: has taken his game to another level to where we're
Speaker 1: now like, all right, see Annie Dalton. We know who
Speaker 1: he is, very solid, He's done this for a long time.
Speaker 1: But at some point the Bears are going to turn
Speaker 1: it over to Justin Fields. And it does feel like
Speaker 1: a sooner rather than later prospect, considering he has a
Speaker 1: certain gamer aspect to him. He looked very very sharp
Speaker 1: at times. It just does some things that I mean,
Speaker 1: the Dalton can't and won't ever be able to do,
Speaker 1: and I think the Bears are gonna bet on that
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later. I would say Fields was the
Speaker 1: guy who most impressed me because I didn't have his
Speaker 1: high expectations maybe, you know. You know, I was at
Speaker 1: Oracle Park in San Francisco and I was watching the
Speaker 1: Giants and the Rockies on Saturday night, and that's when
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers played, and of course the game
Speaker 1: there was you know, was on in the ballpark and
Speaker 1: there was a guy, you know, one of the clean
Speaker 1: guys there, who went crazy when they saw Trey Lance
Speaker 1: rolled like an eighty yard touchdown pass right and beautiful ball,
Speaker 1: roll to his left and we're back to his right.
Speaker 1: It was a bit of a drop in the bucket
Speaker 1: because the two defenders the safety was completely out of
Speaker 1: out of position. Anyway, Yeah, and he delivered and people
Speaker 1: went crazy, you know, like this guy just went bananas.
Speaker 1: He was working there and he saw it as we
Speaker 1: were waiting in line for food. But you know, he
Speaker 1: made the highlight play. But then if you take a
Speaker 1: closer look at, you know, the rest of the game
Speaker 1: and the rest of his uh play, it wasn't that great.
Speaker 1: You know, it was a tough debut. But you know,
Speaker 1: people love highlights and people get crazy about it, and
Speaker 1: the same thing. Everybody's ready. I was listening to San
Speaker 1: Francisco sports talk radio and everybody's ready for Jimmy Garoppolo
Speaker 1: to pack up and head on out, and they're ready
Speaker 1: for Trey Lance. So you know, like this is just
Speaker 1: the nature of football. So I don't know it's so hard.
Speaker 1: You see some of the greats Dog and a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys didn't start right away. Right, Well, that's
Speaker 1: let's do that, okay. So so if we go through
Speaker 1: the twenty best quarterbacks of our lifetime, right the twenty
Speaker 1: best quarterback or even the ten best quarterbacks currently, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean you go Peyton and Troy Aikman um, Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers and Brett Farr, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, um uh
Speaker 1: you know, like like who else? Like, just keep going
Speaker 1: through all of these quarterbacks, and it's really Carson Palmer,
Speaker 1: of course, is a guy who sat his first year.
Speaker 1: And when you say Carson Palmer or some people like, wait,
Speaker 1: you're throwing him in. Oh he was good, he was
Speaker 1: he was very very good. Um, it's good. Kurt Kurt Warners,
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. Of course, Warner was bagging groceries
Speaker 1: and playing in the Arena Football League, right right, right,
Speaker 1: So I mean, look the all these guys are our
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame caliber quarterbacks, and it really is split
Speaker 1: right down the middle, right Aaron Rodgers and Brett Farve No, um,
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman and he looked right and he got beat
Speaker 1: up his first year, right, and and Peyton man in
Speaker 1: the same right, same same awful leather league interceptions his
Speaker 1: first year, but but figured it out. So I I
Speaker 1: think Peyton Manning has his expression, which is to go,
Speaker 1: which is every receiver is like a story, a story
Speaker 1: unto itself. Every quarterback is a story unto itself. Every
Speaker 1: guy is is different. Yeah, there's no like blueprint like
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers set almost three years like like Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Also if you go back and and and I'll credit
Speaker 1: Aaron Naigler, who of course is uh the founder of
Speaker 1: Cheesehead TV. Like you go back, Aaron Rodgers was terrible
Speaker 1: in his first two exhibition games, as as correct, terrible
Speaker 1: and yeah he sat behind behind Brett Farve and and
Speaker 1: Dannybody goes well, he was a developmental procecting no washn't
Speaker 1: people thought he'd go number one overall. Oh he was
Speaker 1: in invited to New York, right, and sat in the room.
Speaker 1: He was the last guy in the He was the
Speaker 1: last guy in the in the in the green room. Oh.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things that kind of burns within him,
Speaker 1: you know, sure, because and you wouldn't have been invited
Speaker 1: if they thought you weren't going to be you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like like he he was expected. You're
Speaker 1: exactly right. He dropped into the packers lap and they
Speaker 1: got him, and they had a Hall of Fame quarterback playing,
Speaker 1: so there was no really room for him to play,
Speaker 1: and and you know, so so you know, he took
Speaker 1: a different career path. Troy Yankman was thrown right in there.
Speaker 1: He was bad early on, right, I remember that. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's just I don't think there's any particular blueprint, but
Speaker 1: I think on somebody like Garoppolo and Trey Lance. I'm
Speaker 1: just talking about them because I was in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no no, no, but but but but Trey Lances,
Speaker 1: that's the perfect example, right, Like we're we're we're trying
Speaker 1: to get rid of the baby with the bathwater, right,
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful not to throughout the baby with
Speaker 1: the bathwater and Garoppolo. We'll see if there's some quarterback
Speaker 1: star of team. You know that Texans cults whatever that
Speaker 1: that has to go out and get a quarterback otherwise,
Speaker 1: like the last time he was a starter at the
Speaker 1: end of the season, they lost in the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: And I will grant you, I thought he showed his
Speaker 1: shortcomings in the Super Bowl, and I understand. I understand
Speaker 1: why Kyle and those guy's like, look, if you can't
Speaker 1: make these throws in the big then you're never gonna
Speaker 1: be able to make these throws go ahead. My issue was,
Speaker 1: I don't think that they did. Kyle Shanahan has been
Speaker 1: terrible in big games as far as play call and
Speaker 1: you know, and I mean to me, he choked down
Speaker 1: that Atlanta super Bowl. I know he was the offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: not the head coach, and he choked down that game.
Speaker 1: And I get it. There were a couple of throws
Speaker 1: that he missed Garoppolo, but all this guy's done is win.
Speaker 1: Like if you look at his record, and here's the
Speaker 1: problem I had in that Super Bowl, when you're up
Speaker 1: by ten, Doug with eight minutes to go, you gotta
Speaker 1: run the football. That like, they were running the football,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they decided, he's they're gonna
Speaker 1: throw their way to the end of the game. And
Speaker 1: I didn't. Well, the box was stacked and and the look,
Speaker 1: he dialed up a touchdown to Immanuel Sanders and he
Speaker 1: airmailed it, and he threw it. He threw it there.
Speaker 1: There were so many throws there. Look, he didn't play well.
Speaker 1: And and you're you're right about Atlanta. Had they run
Speaker 1: the football against Linda, there is the same thing. They
Speaker 1: didn't run the football, and it's totally it. Look. Look,
Speaker 1: it's it's fair. It's fair. It's also fair to point
Speaker 1: out that they were up twenty eight to three to
Speaker 1: get there that they did that. You know, if you
Speaker 1: remember Doug I can't get over and Julio Jones made
Speaker 1: an incredible catch on third best catch I've ever seen. No, No,
Speaker 1: they kicked. Look, they kicked the field goal. They run
Speaker 1: the field right the whole the Brady lights and the
Speaker 1: narrow and everything changes. I understand, Okay, but but let's
Speaker 1: not let's not make that decision. Make this decision. If
Speaker 1: you want to say that Kyle Shanahan is very confident
Speaker 1: in his belief and he knows what the quarterbacks should
Speaker 1: look like and that Trey Lance ultimately can get him
Speaker 1: to where he wants to get to. Like okay, but
Speaker 1: the point is that in this particular situation, you have
Speaker 1: Trey Lance, who played one game last season and comes
Speaker 1: from a lower level of college football, and you have
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo who could take you to a super Bowl
Speaker 1: like this could not be more like what we had
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, right with Alex Smith Like that one
Speaker 1: to me says, you play Garoppolo absolutely, and then at
Speaker 1: the end of the year, or if Garoppolo gets hurt,
Speaker 1: which he is prone to do, or if Garoppolo is
Speaker 1: not playing well, now you can insert Trey Lance or whatever.
Speaker 1: But let Garoppolo lose the job because if he has to,
Speaker 1: because there's an Alex Smith, there's Alex Smith to him.
Speaker 1: I think it's different with Chicago and look, they've been
Speaker 1: here before with Mitchell Trubisky in terms of when they
Speaker 1: want to play a guy. I think it's different because
Speaker 1: you don't have somebody who's taking you to a super Bowl.
Speaker 1: In a Nanny Dalton, you have Annie Dalton who's just
Speaker 1: a he's just a placeholder, just a guy. He's fine,
Speaker 1: and ultimately we know he's gonna be beaten out, and
Speaker 1: that's a question of, hey, you can can justin fields
Speaker 1: just survive early on? Can you play kind of like
Speaker 1: the Seahawks did with Russell Wilson, when you run the
Speaker 1: football a ton and hide him and then let his
Speaker 1: natural athletic ability come out every now and again, but
Speaker 1: just really stripped him up and let him learn as
Speaker 1: you go, Like Chicago makes more sense than San Francisco
Speaker 1: does in terms of starting the rookie. Yeah, I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I think because of Garoppolo's resume, I think
Speaker 1: you should start there and he eventually will play himself
Speaker 1: out or does he get hurt? I don't want to
Speaker 1: put that out there on anybody dog, but you know
Speaker 1: that's a part of Garoppolo. He gets hurt all the time.
Speaker 1: I think the one, I think the one that's most
Speaker 1: interesting honestly is New England because again, based upon resume,
Speaker 1: it's not close to put Cam out there, and everything
Speaker 1: they've said leads you believe that Cam's like the leader,
Speaker 1: but can't He's not good. He can't throw football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think if Cam's on that team to meet it,
Speaker 1: the Patriots have only one op two options. Either Cam
Speaker 1: is your starter until he proves that he just can't
Speaker 1: do it anymore, and then you make the move. They
Speaker 1: made too many free agent moves and signings that wasn't
Speaker 1: like let's load up for the rookie quarterback. That's the
Speaker 1: thing that when I look at the Patriots, I don't
Speaker 1: look I think that they were looking to say, we're
Speaker 1: gonna give ourselves a shot. We're not in total rebuild
Speaker 1: for what they did. And the other thing is, um,
Speaker 1: if Cam isn't the starter, dug, he can't be on
Speaker 1: the team. You gotta let him go and release him.
Speaker 1: I just don't see him as being the backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: I understand. I understand. It's like it's like the Carmelo
Speaker 1: Anthony I Dono or Allen Iverson. I don't know any
Speaker 1: MVP to come off the bench, right Like, I get that,
Speaker 1: But if you listen to him. First, he accepted a
Speaker 1: contract for three point five million dollars, that's backup quarterback money. Hey,
Speaker 1: if you listen to Cam like he's become incredibly enjoyable,
Speaker 1: his press conferences are he's very matter of fact about it.
Speaker 1: I think I think he understands this mentorship role. Now
Speaker 1: does that mean that he wants to come out the
Speaker 1: bench week one? Hell no, of course not. Everybody has
Speaker 1: an ego, and especially a guy who's the MVP and
Speaker 1: he wants to wants to prove himself. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: disagree with you. I think Cam's in it for the
Speaker 1: long haul. I really do. I think he gets like
Speaker 1: he wants to be in this league for a long
Speaker 1: time and otherwise Cam's gonna have to go be a commentator,
Speaker 1: you know, going to be to be on TV next
Speaker 1: year because they're just the league has spoken. There isn't
Speaker 1: a there isn't a hey, Cam, come and start. I
Speaker 1: mean the perfect example is their game this year. The
Speaker 1: Patriots first preseding game is against the Washington football team.
Speaker 1: It's coached by Ron Rivera, who he helped take Take
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. Rivera has had plenty of opportunities
Speaker 1: to sign Cam Newton for no money at all, has
Speaker 1: offered no desire to do so. Why is that because
Speaker 1: he knows Cam can't play anymore. He can't throw, can't throw.
Speaker 1: I don't. The only thing is I'm not so sure
Speaker 1: when you say it like that matter of factory that Bill?
Speaker 1: What is Bill Belichick game by keeping Cam Newton? He
Speaker 1: doesn't owe Cam Newton anything. I know he's had high
Speaker 1: praise for I think he respect I think I think
Speaker 1: he respects that. I think I think I think people
Speaker 1: respect him. That that position is about work, ethic, respect,
Speaker 1: I know. But if you're saying point blank he can't
Speaker 1: throw to football, it's hard to be a quarterback. Well,
Speaker 1: when I say he can't throw the ball, doesn't mean
Speaker 1: he physically can't pick it up. He can't throw a
Speaker 1: football accurately, accurately enough okay, to survive and be a
Speaker 1: viable threatened. Why they brought him back? They could have
Speaker 1: easily because he's a stud as a guy. He's a
Speaker 1: stud as a guy, and they want to see it.
Speaker 1: If I'm if I'm putting together a boy's choir, then okay,
Speaker 1: let's bring Cam Newton in. I want a football player.
Speaker 1: I just why Chase Chase Chase Daniel is with the
Speaker 1: LA Chargers, their backup making making similar money. Why is
Speaker 1: Chase Daniel having jobs stead of a guy knows the
Speaker 1: offense leads, you know, leads justin Herbert, you know if
Speaker 1: I have to play spots start and come in and play.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I'm just the right guy to be in that room.
Speaker 1: That's just the people. They like certain people, and you know,
Speaker 1: those jobs go. It's like Tim Tebow being on the
Speaker 1: roster in Jacksonville will go. You also, you also have
Speaker 1: to you also have to know the offense right where
Speaker 1: Chase Daniel is with New Orleans and understands the offense
Speaker 1: and Lombardies the offensive lot is the Lombards the offensive coordinator, right,
Speaker 1: you have to know the offense and Cam having been
Speaker 1: there last year. Like look, I agree with you generally
Speaker 1: in premise. Like I if you would have told me
Speaker 1: a year ago that Cam Newton would be okay, doesn't
Speaker 1: mean he'd like it, but he'd be okay at some
Speaker 1: point coming off the bench and being just a mentor
Speaker 1: to a Mac Jones, I would have said, no way,
Speaker 1: no way. But you don't sign a contract for three
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars as a quarterback in the
Speaker 1: NFL if you don't know that's back up quarterback money.
Speaker 1: That backup quarterback money. Okay, So I believe it. I
Speaker 1: buy into the Cam does want to mentor Mac Jones
Speaker 1: do I think he wants to give away the starting
Speaker 1: spot right away. No, he wants to prove himself. Hey,
Speaker 1: and and he couldn't throw football last year well enough,
Speaker 1: they looked for less than a hundred yards like three
Speaker 1: or four different times. It was embarrassing, but they and
Speaker 1: that team found a way to win seven games. They
Speaker 1: had no talent, eight guys opted out. They were they
Speaker 1: were That's yeah, that's the part that that last year
Speaker 1: I just had. There was a part in the beginning
Speaker 1: of the season. You remember when they lost to the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: He got stopped at the one yard line. He was great,
Speaker 1: he stopped watching. He couldn't play after that, no, I know,
Speaker 1: and then he got COVID and then it was just
Speaker 1: a mess. I want to see one year. I want
Speaker 1: to see him start again. And if he can't play,
Speaker 1: didn't you make the move? But I'm starting Kim Newton
Speaker 1: if I'm Bill Belichick. Over the weekend, uh, Tim Tebow
Speaker 1: went viral and not in the not in the best way.
Speaker 1: It was a chance he actually makes the up. We'll
Speaker 1: take it to Jacksonville. And also gonna update on Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence's first preseason action that's upcoming next, but first go
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Speaker 1: I would say there are two viral videos from the
Speaker 1: weekend which have nothing to do with rookie quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the NFL. ROB the two viral videos everybody's talking about.
Speaker 1: Have you seen did we send him the rams fight yet?
Speaker 1: Did we do we send him that one? Yay? Where
Speaker 1: it's it's always the cup thrower. There was a lady
Speaker 1: looked like she was wearing a circus tent for a shirt,
Speaker 1: who led in a pepsi which started a melee, which
Speaker 1: which triggered a melee. Uh in the in Sofi stadium, right,
Speaker 1: there was that one, And then there was the Tim
Speaker 1: Tebow tries to block video, which have you seen that one? Rob? Yes,
Speaker 1: because I'm still waiting for the block. Well. Even worse
Speaker 1: yet was the very next play they lined up and
Speaker 1: he again tried to block, and it was it was
Speaker 1: it was bad. Look here's what I was, Here's what
Speaker 1: I was told about the Tebow thing. Yeah, please please
Speaker 1: help me with this, and I do, I do want
Speaker 1: I can explain what I mean. It's it's pretty easy
Speaker 1: explanation why he's there and everything. But I think what
Speaker 1: happens is we're all under this impression that Jacksonville is
Speaker 1: trying to sell tickets and he's gonna make the team.
Speaker 1: I was I was told that, like, look, they put
Speaker 1: him on they put Tim Tebow on some season tickets,
Speaker 1: like you know when when they have the packets of
Speaker 1: actual physical tickets, right, they have like a play year
Speaker 1: on tickets, and they had like Tim Tebow, and they
Speaker 1: were using Tim Tebow in their ad campaign and Ermeyer
Speaker 1: got winned of it. He was like, you what are
Speaker 1: you doing? You gotta you gotta stop. He's not making
Speaker 1: He's not making the team. I think everybody knew he's
Speaker 1: not making the team, but it is it is interesting
Speaker 1: on how god he's become the butt of like every
Speaker 1: joke considering how badly he whipped on a couple of
Speaker 1: those blocks. Yes, and it's just I don't get Herbert Meyer.
Speaker 1: I really really don't. Dog. I don't know him. He
Speaker 1: worked at you know, Fox, and I saw him in
Speaker 1: once in a while. Seems like a nice man has
Speaker 1: had a great corro career as a college coach, but
Speaker 1: his missteps in Jacksonville to start, I just don't get it.
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm just surprised by it. A you know,
Speaker 1: what was the strength and conditioning coach who had the
Speaker 1: racial issue? Where was that at Iowa? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like, look, I think it's I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's I think that was it. That was
Speaker 1: a mistake. I will point out that most dudes, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of black players have come through Iowa that
Speaker 1: swear By the guy, like Iowa's strength program was was revered,
Speaker 1: was absolutely revered. And but that being it's being look,
Speaker 1: it's it's being tone deaf to the times and the
Speaker 1: way in which he was handled just that it was
Speaker 1: it wasn't right. But like, look that's that's really my
Speaker 1: thing is like just the way the way it was handled.
Speaker 1: He swore By the guy talked about them being at Utah.
Speaker 1: They weren't even at Utah together. But but like he
Speaker 1: he stood up for this and then quickly when he
Speaker 1: got the pushback from players, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: realize this isn't a fight worth it. Okay, So so
Speaker 1: that was bad. Then you bring Tebow in and you're
Speaker 1: asking a thirty four year old guy who hadn't been
Speaker 1: in the league for ten years, who's never played that position.
Speaker 1: You can hurt yourself as a coach if players feel
Speaker 1: and Doug, you know this. You've played team sport. Players
Speaker 1: know who belongs on the belong on the team. Listen, Listen,
Speaker 1: There's there's no there's there's no question, Okay that you
Speaker 1: can't fool players, right, you can. You cannot fool players
Speaker 1: not play, and you can lose it, and you can
Speaker 1: lose the locker room. The other part too, it is
Speaker 1: let's just let's be realistic here, though, players also value, okay,
Speaker 1: value guys that are loyal. And if the argument is like,
Speaker 1: hey man, the guy the only guy who's gonna give
Speaker 1: him a shot is his college coach, Okay, and it's
Speaker 1: in the one area where he's super popular, and you
Speaker 1: give him a shot and you fail, and you and
Speaker 1: you let him go, and you're not You're not the
Speaker 1: worst for it, okay, Because that's that is how it
Speaker 1: works in the league. Is when guys are trying to
Speaker 1: stay in the league or get back in the league,
Speaker 1: it's always for a position coach or a head coach
Speaker 1: who they had success with. Right, and they throw him
Speaker 1: a lifeline and they give him one last opportunity. Like
Speaker 1: every everyone, you go, you go and trace these older
Speaker 1: players and older I just told you about Chase Daniel, Right,
Speaker 1: Chase Daniel is only in LA with the Chargers not
Speaker 1: because he can play, but because he has a relationship,
Speaker 1: a knowledge of the offense and a relationship with the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinate from their time together in New Orleans. That's
Speaker 1: the way the back end of the league actually works, right,
Speaker 1: So all that makes sense, it does. At some point though,
Speaker 1: you gotta he can't play, you gotta move on. I
Speaker 1: understand the opportunity, but you know now that you play
Speaker 1: real football, and the tape is out there, even if
Speaker 1: it's preseason tape, it's so bad. It was it was
Speaker 1: like it was It was like it was like I
Speaker 1: was I was at I was at Chargers or Rams camp. Well,
Speaker 1: I've been to both a couple of times. And one
Speaker 1: and after Tibo had that touchdown catch in the end
Speaker 1: zone right where people went crazy about if you actually
Speaker 1: watched it, like he caught it with his forearms, right,
Speaker 1: It wasn't a natural smooth catch, and so what the
Speaker 1: world was reacting to. Most people in football were like, goah,
Speaker 1: that was bad. Actually right, it looked terrible. But but
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything sinister at play here. I
Speaker 1: just think it's somebody's old coach giving him an opportunity
Speaker 1: in the place where he's super popular, and you give
Speaker 1: him a shot, it's not good enough, and you cut
Speaker 1: him that. That's it. You carried ninety, you gotta cut
Speaker 1: the fifty three and you cut him. All right, Let's
Speaker 1: let's welcome in Matt Hayes who joins us. Uh. You
Speaker 1: can see his work on Stadium Hey, which which is
Speaker 1: twenty four or seven. It's available digitally, or you can
Speaker 1: hear him on ten ten xcel in Jacksonville. Matt, I
Speaker 1: do obviously want to get to Trevor Lawrence and the
Speaker 1: guys are going to play on Sundays for the Jags.
Speaker 1: But how much longer are we gonna go with the
Speaker 1: tebow thing? You know what Urban Meyer value is winning
Speaker 1: over everything or any player he loved or any player
Speaker 1: he coached. He values winning. He's a coach at the
Speaker 1: end of the day. He's not going to keep a
Speaker 1: guy if he can't help him win the end. At
Speaker 1: the end of the story, he will not keep him
Speaker 1: if he can up winning. Based on you know, Saturday's game,
Speaker 1: it doesn't look good. What was it? What's the fan
Speaker 1: base like the Tebow? I mean, I get it. There
Speaker 1: was a time Jacksonville had a chance to get him
Speaker 1: as a quarterback when he needed to sell tickets, Day
Speaker 1: passed on a I mean everybody, and and so a
Speaker 1: thirty four year old guy trying to change positions against
Speaker 1: these younger, stronger guys, he's had to put up a
Speaker 1: go up against what was it? Was it Tebomania down
Speaker 1: there or that pep? Was it tempered? What was it? Well?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they love the guy here, there's
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. He's he's like not only a
Speaker 1: hero sports hero, but he's a hero off the field
Speaker 1: as well. So they'd love to see him make the team.
Speaker 1: But again, this goes back to football. This isn't about
Speaker 1: he's a great guy. This isn't about he's a lightning
Speaker 1: ride off the field, whatever you want to talk about.
Speaker 1: This is about can you play? Can you help a
Speaker 1: team win games? And if he can't, he's going to
Speaker 1: get cut. It's as simple as that and and I
Speaker 1: know it's it's really easy to have, you know, the
Speaker 1: back and forth, and it makes everybody happy and everybody screams.
Speaker 1: But look, at the end of the day, it's about
Speaker 1: winning games. Urban Meyer spoiled to one thing, winning games,
Speaker 1: and that's it. Uh okay, let let's get to Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: How do you look a lot of people really good?
Speaker 1: I mean that that one throw, that one deep throw,
Speaker 1: the deep thing that he threw when Marvin Jones junior,
Speaker 1: you know, before Marvin Jones junior turnaround was right on him.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's an NFL throw that a lot of
Speaker 1: quarterback in that league can't made. So he's I think
Speaker 1: he's he's learning. He's got a long way to go,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. But you could see the talent,
Speaker 1: you can see his ability. I think the bigger issue
Speaker 1: is the offensive line in front of him. I mean,
Speaker 1: if they can't protect him, it's gonna be a very
Speaker 1: long season or even a short season having to very
Speaker 1: a Vegas injured. What what are the expectations. I know,
Speaker 1: when you get a new coach and a legendary college
Speaker 1: coach and his you know, jump into the NFL everybody's
Speaker 1: uh expecting things? What what? What? What do you expect
Speaker 1: from this team in seventeen games. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: one or fifteen team. If you're talking about what are
Speaker 1: the fans here in Jacksons will expect. I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of them are thinking playoffs, which is I mean,
Speaker 1: it's laughable. It's the one in fifteen team and it's
Speaker 1: gonna take a year one in sixteen issue. Right well, right,
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll be that bad. I don't think
Speaker 1: the W one and sixteen. But the reality is they're
Speaker 1: they're a bad team last year and they've got better
Speaker 1: players now, they've got a better staff now, But it
Speaker 1: still comes down to you can you blocking, can you
Speaker 1: get after the other guys quarterback? And I think those
Speaker 1: are the two huge issues for them right now. I
Speaker 1: don't know that they can pressure the other team's quarterback
Speaker 1: effect the passing game. And I don't know that they
Speaker 1: can protect their own quarterback. And in this game a
Speaker 1: football and boat levels college football in the NFL, where
Speaker 1: it's now a vertical passing game, you can't protect your quarterback.
Speaker 1: You're a deep deep trouble um. Yes, I would say,
Speaker 1: I mean, and you Matt Hayes joining US ten ten
Speaker 1: XL and Jacksonville course. I also see his work on
Speaker 1: on stating the digital network Doug gotlie Brob Parker in
Speaker 1: for Dan Dan, that's Dan Patrick show Fox Sports TRADEO. Look,
Speaker 1: all of that is fair, guys, But Matt, you tell
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. I don't think it's as much
Speaker 1: people saying they're going to be awesome. It's like, look,
Speaker 1: Houston's a dumpster fire. India has no quarterback, right and
Speaker 1: and as much as Tennessee's very good, they've got seven
Speaker 1: team games, one more playoffs by like, look, we might
Speaker 1: be able to sneak sneak in there. And and as
Speaker 1: much as they were won in seventeen, they're actually pretty
Speaker 1: competitive in spots last year even as a bad football
Speaker 1: team upgraded the roster. And we've seen plenty of last
Speaker 1: to first in the NFL. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, look, this is the this is the
Speaker 1: this is the reasonable thoughts of an unreasonable fan base.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's not as crazy as you think, but
Speaker 1: but here's the thing. Let's start with this. Or Myers
Speaker 1: won everywhere he's been, this is a different animal Okay, Up,
Speaker 1: I'm getting I'm getting to it, Rock, I'm getting to it. Okay.
Speaker 1: But like lots of guys have won everywhere they've been
Speaker 1: in college and come here, does he know what he's
Speaker 1: doing at this level of football? Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any question he knows. And to be honest, he's
Speaker 1: been given a key. It's his decision. Every decision they
Speaker 1: make is going to be run through him. It's as
Speaker 1: simple as that. And look, he goes back to the
Speaker 1: idea of it's football. Football is football. If you get players,
Speaker 1: and you get the right players, he put them in
Speaker 1: a position to be successful, you can win games. Now, look,
Speaker 1: it's it's the hype here for him, for Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: You guys have to understand, this franchise has been god
Speaker 1: awful for more for more years than they've been around,
Speaker 1: all right, So you look at where they're at. This
Speaker 1: fan base is just passionate. They want a winner. They're
Speaker 1: desperate for a winner. They're not just crazy idiots run
Speaker 1: around who think they're gonna make the playoffs. But they
Speaker 1: also realize, look, this is a potential with this guy,
Speaker 1: just once in a generation quarterback, and this coach who had,
Speaker 1: you know, the ultimate success at the college level. Why
Speaker 1: won't it work. Why can't it work in more than anything,
Speaker 1: Why can't it work better than what they had in
Speaker 1: the past. So that's really what the what the expectation,
Speaker 1: the hype is all about around here. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it'll ever be as good as it was a
Speaker 1: few it wasn't that long ago to an AFC Championship
Speaker 1: game and had a ten point lead in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter at Foxboro. Man, No, that team was good at
Speaker 1: the defense let them down in that one. Uh uh,
Speaker 1: they had a shot. That team had a terrible quarterback.
Speaker 1: That was fools goal. That that that that was a
Speaker 1: that was a that was a. Rex Grossman asked, like
Speaker 1: good in spite of the quarter Remember when they went
Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh. No, listen, he played the game. He played
Speaker 1: the game of his life there. We we have. We
Speaker 1: have enough data I have, But they were when you're
Speaker 1: telling me, you're telling me you're gonna be in the
Speaker 1: AFC Championship Game in the next five years under Urban Myers,
Speaker 1: what I'm asking, will they be in the champion game? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Five years. I think they've got a really good chance
Speaker 1: of being the AC championship. I'll say, no, they don't
Speaker 1: make in the next five years. Well, I mean, and
Speaker 1: he'll be. You have to be you have to be
Speaker 1: a little lucky. You have to make the right even
Speaker 1: even when you make the right calls, the guy's got
Speaker 1: to stay healthy. There's a there's a lot, there's a
Speaker 1: lot more more to Matt Hayes joining us here, Doug
Speaker 1: gotlie Brod Parker and for dan and and the Danettes. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: so let me do. Let me slay this real quick.
Speaker 1: I think it's more than just coaching too. It's also
Speaker 1: a value in talent and recognize yes players, and I
Speaker 1: think you look at when you get a guy like
Speaker 1: Walker Little in the second round. They knew Walker Little
Speaker 1: had to knee and drew, they knew he sat out
Speaker 1: last season because of COVID. That's going to be a
Speaker 1: ten or twelve year time. He's going to be a
Speaker 1: big time player in the league. Well, look, that's Matt, Matt,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the guy like Andre Cisco the state
Speaker 1: of Syracuse, who was a fantastic player in college, blew
Speaker 1: out of the in October. Everybody passed on him. They
Speaker 1: picked him up in the third round. That kid's also
Speaker 1: going to be an eight ten year starter for them.
Speaker 1: So it's an idea of recognizing players, getting the players,
Speaker 1: and then developing them well. That that's and that's the
Speaker 1: that's where all this makes sense to me, Matt, is
Speaker 1: that it's a little bit like it's different, but a
Speaker 1: little bit like when Pete Carroll took over with the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: where did he and he didn't personally recruit guys as
Speaker 1: much as Urban and some of the guys in his staff,
Speaker 1: but the depth of knowledge to these guys because of
Speaker 1: their time in college covering when he covered college, and
Speaker 1: of course the evaluators and he's a very good talent
Speaker 1: evaluators as well. That using that strength in the college
Speaker 1: game and also the knowledge of these guys to strategically
Speaker 1: draft guys later, that's what when Pete Carroll got to Seattle, right,
Speaker 1: that's where they passed on Taylor Mays and end up
Speaker 1: making all these smart decisions. That part of the plan
Speaker 1: makes makes complete sense, complete sense to me. Let me,
Speaker 1: let me ask you that because what they're trying to
Speaker 1: do is essentially like the team they're playing against has done,
Speaker 1: which is Cleveland is bad forever and they just stacked
Speaker 1: talent after talent after talent. They finally figured like right,
Speaker 1: they finally figured out the quarterback position well enough so
Speaker 1: that now Cleveland is a is a playoff team again.
Speaker 1: I know you didn't see much of the ones when
Speaker 1: they matched up, but how big a gap is there
Speaker 1: between with Cleveland thrown out there when Jacksonville is thrown
Speaker 1: out there? I mean there's a gap right now, there's
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. They're They're a long way from Cleveland,
Speaker 1: I think. But but I will say this to your point, Dog,
Speaker 1: is the way you get better in this league. As
Speaker 1: you draft, you draft out of your problems. And there's
Speaker 1: too many teams try and go free agency and that
Speaker 1: just doesn't work. You've got to draft your way out
Speaker 1: the problems. And and look, I get the whole idea
Speaker 1: that Irban Myers never been in the league, and there's
Speaker 1: a history of college coaches failing. I get all of that.
Speaker 1: But if you've got a guy that understands talent and
Speaker 1: knows talent, you've got a better chance of him changing
Speaker 1: that trend. And that's that's really what they're banking on here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: will he do it? I don't know. My guess is
Speaker 1: that he's a good enough guy that knows talent that
Speaker 1: he can make it, make it work. And I think
Speaker 1: by his first draft, clearly he knows what's going on
Speaker 1: with as far as players and but three players. But
Speaker 1: the problem is in the AFC, you got all these
Speaker 1: teams with these young, dynamic quarterbacks already ahead of them.
Speaker 1: The Bills aren't going anywhere in the next five years.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs aren't going anywhere in the next five years.
Speaker 1: The Ravens aren't going anywhere in the next five years.
Speaker 1: Even the Bengals have their their quarterback. I just keep looking,
Speaker 1: Browns are there. I'm just saying when I look a
Speaker 1: thing away we're talking about with the Bills, the Bills
Speaker 1: are the exact this is that's the blueprint. Right, No,
Speaker 1: Bills are about five years from now. These teams already
Speaker 1: ahead of them, I understand. But look, the Bills are
Speaker 1: bad for twelve thirteen years, right. They bring in this
Speaker 1: coaching staff along with Brandon Bean, and they start drafting
Speaker 1: and they have a defense, offense, line, run the football,
Speaker 1: and the first two years Josh Hollen was not particularly good.
Speaker 1: And then by the time he figures it out, now
Speaker 1: they're a perennial playoff team. Right, we're looking at the
Speaker 1: Bills through a lens of today and we're not looking
Speaker 1: at it. This was what it was like when these
Speaker 1: guys took over. I get that, but I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: if you're talking about the next five years, I don't
Speaker 1: see did Jaguars jumping over any of these teams in
Speaker 1: for the AFC championship. That's all that you can. You
Speaker 1: can you can help us out though he's talking about young,
Speaker 1: dynamic quarterbacks. Isn't that the way we viewed Trevor Lawrence?
Speaker 1: Maybe not now, but in terms of as a prospect
Speaker 1: and as the potential, like he's he's he's I almost
Speaker 1: think he's forgetting they got Trevor Lawrence is the one
Speaker 1: guy that everybody won saved for five years from now.
Speaker 1: That's all I can say this. I had multiple NFL
Speaker 1: scouts tell me last year during the college football season
Speaker 1: that Lawrence was you know, every keeps saying he's as
Speaker 1: good a prospects as Luck. Multi multiple scouts tell me
Speaker 1: he was better prospect than Luck as good a prospects.
Speaker 1: It's a guy named Elway. So you're starting from that
Speaker 1: point right there. Okay, when you start with him in
Speaker 1: the league. Now, if he fails, he fails. But if
Speaker 1: you're starting at that point and he gets better every
Speaker 1: season and he is a player everyone thinks he's going
Speaker 1: to be, that team is going to be very, very
Speaker 1: good in five years. We're also a couple weeks away
Speaker 1: from college football, Matt, I gotta have you on my
Speaker 1: show to college football. I'm ready. I know you're ready
Speaker 1: as well. Thanks so much for joining us. I know
Speaker 1: you got a big show of your own upcoming. Matt Hayes, Matt,
Speaker 1: great stuff. Thanks for joining us. Okay, so thank you,
Speaker 1: Matt Hayes. And of course he's covered college football for years.
Speaker 1: You see him on stadium, and of course he's got
Speaker 1: his own show in Jacksonville. M Rob Parker is the
Speaker 1: one guy who brings the passion for Major League baseball
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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball on the national airwaves. He has a
Speaker 1: horrific take about Fernando Tatis Junior will allow him to
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Speaker 1: talented scribe and writing for years years, thirty five years, Doug,
Speaker 1: can you believe that? Unbelievable to me? So look, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be hits, There's gonna be missus mostly. And okay,
Speaker 1: I as a baseball guy, you love baseball, maybe more
Speaker 1: so than anybody else. We all love baseball, right, and
Speaker 1: I thought it can nobody loves more than me, you know,
Speaker 1: fair enough? Right? Okay? So but where was I this weekend?
Speaker 1: In San Francisco? Where will I be next week? I'll
Speaker 1: be uh in Houston. Next weekend, I'll be in Houston,
Speaker 1: and I'll be in Miami for baseball games. That's that's
Speaker 1: what I do. Okay. So with that comes um a
Speaker 1: sort of batting average on times it takes, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of that that that looks like a baseball player
Speaker 1: like you know, you know, you hit about three hundred
Speaker 1: year columns. Um your your last piece for dead spin, okay,
Speaker 1: was that Fernando Tattis give him the MVP even though
Speaker 1: he's only you know, played eighty some odd games eighty
Speaker 1: nine games, right, okay, And but he's still need a
Speaker 1: leading the league in home runs and he's a dynamic player.
Speaker 1: But that wasn't. The point that jumped out of me
Speaker 1: was your assessment that he's the best player in baseball,
Speaker 1: which is it's a to me, okay, go you make
Speaker 1: your case why he's the best player in baseball. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, and this is not I'm not going to
Speaker 1: have to make my case by knocking down Shohei Otani,
Speaker 1: who's a great player in his own right. But I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the impact show Hay as good as he is.
Speaker 1: You know, he's batting two seventy and yes he's seven
Speaker 1: and one pitching, and the Angels are no good and
Speaker 1: they're not gonna make the playoffs again, and it just
Speaker 1: doesn't seem and I'm not putting it all on him.
Speaker 1: Baseball is different than basketball, Doug. You know that where
Speaker 1: you can be a great player and if you don't
Speaker 1: have pitching or you don't have defense, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna win anything or you're not gonna make
Speaker 1: the play. So but but the difference and so I'm
Speaker 1: not using that route. It's just what you are teas. No,
Speaker 1: it's what tattoosse means to that Padres team and when
Speaker 1: he's in the lineup, and the difference on that team
Speaker 1: and what their expectations is are I should say when
Speaker 1: he's playing And I already talked he's been hurt three
Speaker 1: times this year. He also missed eight games with COVID.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is like and they just moved him.
Speaker 1: He was the all starting shortstop for the National League
Speaker 1: and the alls our game in Denver this year and
Speaker 1: guess where they just moved him to? Right feel he
Speaker 1: played his first game in the outfield in his major
Speaker 1: league career, and Doug he had two home runs, went
Speaker 1: four for five, Like, he hasn't missed anytimes. This is
Speaker 1: a guy dealing with a separated shoulder that has been
Speaker 1: re injured two other times after the initial injury, and
Speaker 1: he fights his way through and he's just and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he's the perfect player, but I've never he
Speaker 1: has numbers for the first sixty one sixty two of
Speaker 1: his career better than anybody who's ever played the game. Okay,
Speaker 1: And all I'm saying is he's the best player. He's
Speaker 1: a natural league MVP, and he's the best player in baseball.
Speaker 1: He's not the best player in baseball. You have you
Speaker 1: have a guy who's a top twenty starting pitcher and
Speaker 1: a guy who has the best OPS. He's the number
Speaker 1: three starter. He's not even the number one starter. Let's not, Doug.
Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy. Yes he is, but part of
Speaker 1: it is ever like if you've having talked to major
Speaker 1: league people and talk to baseball people, that I'll tell you,
Speaker 1: like they think his arm is actually the best part.
Speaker 1: That's actually what he does best, but he can't concentrate
Speaker 1: on it because he doesn't have the days off and
Speaker 1: the ability the way that every other starter does. He's
Speaker 1: a good starter, and he's the best hitter in baseball
Speaker 1: based upon actual stats to people use nowadays in baseball,
Speaker 1: which is OPS and slugging OPS plus. Like, he's neither
Speaker 1: number one or number two Otani and you can say, hey,
Speaker 1: the Padres are a playoff team, and hell, they might
Speaker 1: be the best team in the NL if he was
Speaker 1: healthy the whole year. Okay, I would make the case
Speaker 1: that the Angels are crummy ross. Remember they had Mike
Speaker 1: Trout for just a very short period of time, and
Speaker 1: they're five hundred. They're not closed to five hundred if
Speaker 1: you don't have show hey Otani, not close. What he's
Speaker 1: doing has never been done in the modern era of
Speaker 1: baseball as a pitcher and as a hitter. It's real,
Speaker 1: he's the best player. It's not really close. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that tatus is not an incredible player in his
Speaker 1: own right. But to be best, to be a top
Speaker 1: twenty pitcher, and to be the best hitter in baseball, um,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's sho hey o. Tani is the best
Speaker 1: player and then everybody else is worthy of discussion. And
Speaker 1: that's really I believe how it Yeah, I don't show
Speaker 1: hay in the last fifteen games batting two seventeen. Why
Speaker 1: are you using batting average? No? No, no, no no.
Speaker 1: Why are you using batting average? Could? Why are you
Speaker 1: the guy? You're you're you're you're a baseball guy, because
Speaker 1: but baseball guys don't use batting average, they don't use RBIs.
Speaker 1: Nobody does that anymore? What you you think seventy four
Speaker 1: RBIs in eighty nine games is useless information. Yes, do
Speaker 1: you really believe that? Yes? Don't? Yes, where does he
Speaker 1: hit in the lineup? He batted leadoff yesterday? Correct that
Speaker 1: we're not gonna have the RBI. You're not gonna have
Speaker 1: no RBIs. RBI is based upon if there's other players
Speaker 1: on your team that can get on base. It has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with your own success. That's why there's
Speaker 1: calculations for it. Right, it doesn't matter RB when you're
Speaker 1: the leadoff hitter. You're not gonna have URBI because you
Speaker 1: got your seven, eight nine hitters and in front of you.
Speaker 1: Even the war is very comparable. And the four point
Speaker 1: nine to four point six, it's not like he's running away.
Speaker 1: I didn't say all the guys who have But wait
Speaker 1: wait so so he has a better wins above replacement? Right,
Speaker 1: So what you said about for Nano Tattis Junior, which
Speaker 1: is a great argument, is he means more. There is
Speaker 1: actually a statistical calculation in baseball for how good they
Speaker 1: are with you how good they are without you. It's
Speaker 1: called wins above replacement, and and and the numbers say
Speaker 1: that Joho tany actually has a better war then for
Speaker 1: Nano Tattis Junior, do they nine No, I get that,
Speaker 1: but he's also doing something and I and I get
Speaker 1: the novelty of being a pitcher and a hitter, and
Speaker 1: he's a great player. I would if I'm starting a
Speaker 1: team and I'm a general manager, I would take Fernando
Speaker 1: Tatts number one. Period. I would Doug, Okay, you can
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Speaker 1: and wrong takes in the past, and I respect you
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