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Speaker 1: This is Draft Season presented by Moody's, a proud part

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Speaker 1: of the New York Football Giants. I'm John Schmell, joined

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Speaker 1: as always by Tony Pauline from Essentially Sports. Tony, we

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Speaker 1: are finally back our eight day trek through the cold

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Speaker 1: and ice and winds of Dallas and Mobile.

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Speaker 2: It was very nice to sleep on my own bed.

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Speaker 1: Over the weekend, and now we're back to the freezing

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Speaker 1: temperatures of the Northeast. So yes, we went from frigid

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Speaker 1: and believe me, people, it was cold in Dallas. He's

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Speaker 1: probably still the news with the ice in the snow.

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Speaker 1: But it was cold, and it was windy. I mean

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Speaker 1: it was like cold that hurt you cold, and it

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Speaker 1: was I mean, I guess that Mobile was tropical at

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Speaker 1: forty five fifty degrees, right, And now we're back here.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: Nice to finally get home, wash my clothes and take

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Speaker 1: a shower on my own shower. I'll tell you, though, man,

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Speaker 1: the end of that second practice in Mobile, I know

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Speaker 1: it only said like low forties.

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Speaker 2: It felt as cold as it was in Dallas. Man.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the moisture in the era what,

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Speaker 1: but it got cold. At the end of those late

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Speaker 1: practices when the wind kicked up in Mobile as it

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Speaker 1: does always often does.

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Speaker 2: That's what by the water hole.

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Speaker 1: And then what happened is you know, for the people

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Speaker 1: who are watching it at home, they would know this.

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Speaker 1: You know, the practices were pushed back so that second

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Speaker 1: practice didn't start until four o'clock. By the time practice

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Speaker 1: was halfway through, the sun was going down, and you

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Speaker 1: know it's always either in your eyes as it set,

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Speaker 1: so you know, late in the practice there was no

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Speaker 1: sun out there to try and keep things warm.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: But it was a fun week of practice, Tony, and

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Speaker 1: I think just talking big picture wise, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: roll through position by position what players impressed us, and

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Speaker 1: you know, practice and in the game on Saturday. The

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Speaker 1: practice is obviously the more important part of this, right

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Speaker 1: But from an overall standpoint, Tony, I think we saw

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Speaker 1: from this group at the Senior Bowl, it kind of

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Speaker 1: reflects what this group Bowl is overall. In the draft,

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Speaker 1: like I didn't walk away, you know, fall on my butt,

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Speaker 1: super impressed by anybody, like this guy blew me away.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna be a top fifteen. Picky pushed himself twenty spots.

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Speaker 1: And then on top of that you look at what

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Speaker 1: positions in press and I think it reflects what the

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Speaker 1: strength of the draft classes as well, especially at that

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Speaker 1: edge spot. Absolutely, I mean, and really none of the

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Speaker 1: defensive backs over the eight days. There were a couple

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Speaker 1: here and there, some of the safety's Ben Clark in

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, chilen Husky in the Shrine Ball, but

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Speaker 1: really no quarterbacks really stood out. I think for me anyway,

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Speaker 1: the big stories were the late add ons, the guys

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about during the podcast.

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Speaker 2: That really stood out to me.

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Speaker 1: And you're like, wow, you know, got to go back

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Speaker 1: and do this guy because I finished my Division one

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Speaker 2: You know, I got to finish.

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Speaker 1: I got to go back and do this guy because

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about those names during the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, right, Tony, I'm with you, all right, So

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Speaker 1: let's get to it. Let's start the quarterback. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is where everyone wants wants to start when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the draft. And again, like I said, these

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Speaker 1: games reflected the draft class and by the way, if

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Speaker 1: you want to hear the Shrine Bowl review, go back.

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Speaker 1: That's our episode last week. It went up last Monday,

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Speaker 1: so go check that out. We review Shrine, We preview Senior.

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Speaker 1: We talked about some of these players there as well,

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Speaker 1: and again, none of these quarterbacks to me, Tony really

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Speaker 1: I walked away saying, wow, it was very similar to

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Speaker 1: The first the interesting thing about the quarterbacks is when

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Speaker 1: I did think that Cole Peyton of North Dakota State

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Speaker 1: He's a first year starter from North Dakota State. I

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Speaker 1: think he's a guy who really raised his draft stock.

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Speaker 1: He's got terrific size, he's an arm talent. He made

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Speaker 1: I was not fresh with Garrett nus Meyer, you know,

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Speaker 1: remember that story at Pennant White. Pat White was awful

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Speaker 1: during practice. He looked phenomenal during the game. Bill Parcells

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Now, nuss Meyer, he's a little bit more

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Speaker 1: in tuned in the position. He's got to go on mentally,

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Speaker 1: passes with all over the place during practice, and you

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Speaker 1: could see oftentimes in practice where he was trying to

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Speaker 2: So yes, you know, you look at social media.

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Speaker 1: Everybody fell in love with Garrett m Smier during the game,

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Speaker 1: but it didn't translate in practice, which is more important

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Speaker 2: So be careful with Garrett, not Smiter.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, Tony, I agree, Like I said, nobody really

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Speaker 1: blew me away.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, early fourth round pick, late third

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Speaker 1: I guess the team taking a flyer on him, giving

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a middle round pick if

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Speaker 1: He could play at the next level, but he needs

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Speaker 2: I'm with you, all right.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the running back position here, Tony, and

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Speaker 1: the guy that impressed me the most is the guy

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Speaker 1: New Mexico State, one in Arkansas. That's Mike Washington junior.

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Speaker 1: He did play in the game. He had a touchdown

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Speaker 1: late or early in that game. You know, he's big,

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Speaker 1: He's the guy that jumped out in me. I have

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Speaker 2: On draft boards.

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Speaker 1: Saw why you saw that explosion, You saw that burst

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Speaker 1: twelve months, if you will, because high expectations, didn't play

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Speaker 1: But I thought at times he looked really good at

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Speaker 2: Highly grated coming into the season.

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Speaker 1: And then unfortunately told me there were reports that he

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Speaker 1: Being at the NFL Combine, where he really could have

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Speaker 2: It's to your point.

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Speaker 1: He's a really good athlete, and I think he really

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Speaker 1: thought he looked pretty good. Over practice. I thought Kaitlin

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Speaker 1: Black from Indiana looked good. Tony all around back, ran

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Speaker 1: Black doesn't have great physical skills, but he's a tryhard guy.

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Speaker 1: The other bats, I mean it was hit and miss

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Speaker 1: Adam Randall, they're back from Clemson. He's a big guy,

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Speaker 1: he's powerful. What I saw from Adam Randall at CIA.

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Speaker 1: But when I saw on film a former receiver who

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad. I'm glad I saw it because it

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Speaker 1: affirmed what I saw on film. But overall, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned Jade not again had his moments,

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Speaker 1: had a real good game, But like Nick Singleton, I

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Speaker 1: mean two years ago, he was great coming into the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four season as a potential Day two pick,

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Speaker 1: and his game went and reverse really was a non

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Speaker 1: factor this year at Oklahoma. I think he played only

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Speaker 1: five games. You know, if you draft Jade nine, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna draft them late. If you get him back to

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Speaker 1: where he was, as you mentioned in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: is a home run hitter that can take it the distance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, I think that's a flyer.

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Speaker 1: On Day three, CEV could tournament and and so something

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Speaker 1: moodies dot com. All right, Tony, let's go to the

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Speaker 1: And again, I don't think we're gonna have a wide

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Speaker 1: to uh And this is the guy you told me

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Speaker 1: to watch and you were all over them all week,

433
00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,920
Speaker 1: max Iana Shore at his Arizona State to me, best

434
00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,879
Speaker 1: offensive lineman there. I mean the way he moved, in

435
00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,840
Speaker 1: the way he played Tony, I would consider him late

436
00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,680
Speaker 1: first round, you know, maybe he's more of a second

437
00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,840
Speaker 1: round pick, but man, he's big, he can move. I

438
00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,920
Speaker 1: know he's a little raw, he hasn't played football a

439
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,359
Speaker 1: long time, but that's a guy I'm gonna be willing

440
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:12,760
Speaker 1: to bet on.

441
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,840
Speaker 2: He also played well in the game.

442
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,040
Speaker 1: Hey, if you watch the broad gass they were talking

443
00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,840
Speaker 1: about in the game, and you know, he's a big

444
00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,120
Speaker 1: guy that's got power. But as you said, he can move,

445
00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,320
Speaker 1: he can slide off the edge, he can get to

446
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,200
Speaker 1: the second at one block. I spoke with him at length.

447
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,800
Speaker 1: He's a very reserved guy, but he knows what he

448
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,560
Speaker 1: has to do. And you know, I heard about him

449
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,359
Speaker 1: prior to last season and they said, you know, fourth

450
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,800
Speaker 1: round pick, you know, late first round. I mean maybe

451
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 1: if a team thinks he can play left tackle. But

452
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,480
Speaker 1: he's a very very athletic, powerful power and athleticism on

453
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 1: the right side who just keeps getting better and better

454
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,439
Speaker 1: and better. And that's what you want to see. I mean,

455
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,679
Speaker 1: you want to see he's a better player in twenty

456
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,560
Speaker 1: twenty five than he was in twenty twenty four. I

457
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,880
Speaker 1: dare say he was a better player during Senior Bowl

458
00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 1: Week than he was during the twenty twenty five season.

459
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,560
Speaker 2: And he's got an upside, all right.

460
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw Jennings Dunker out there, and even his teammate,

461
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 1: both Stevens. I think both of them were good. Dunker

462
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,919
Speaker 1: will probably be a higher pick. He played some tackle,

463
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,239
Speaker 1: he played some guard. I don't think he moves well

464
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 1: enough to play tackle in the National Football League, So

465
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 1: if he's a road grading guard fewd I think he'll

466
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,120
Speaker 1: do fine. I thow his teammate, I want to throw

467
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 1: that out there too. I thought he did pretty good.

468
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 1: And then I kind of like Carver Willis out of

469
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 1: Washington Tony, you know, nothing spectacular and not a huge

470
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 1: road grader. He played tackle at Washington, he played guard,

471
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 1: and I think he played some center the last day.

472
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,680
Speaker 1: I have to go back and rewatch that practice tape

473
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,359
Speaker 1: to see if he did. But I thought he did

474
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 1: okay at Garden Center. He's kind of got a chip

475
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,200
Speaker 1: on his shoulder little bit. I interviewed him too. You

476
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 1: can find that on the same place you can find

477
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 1: the other interviews, and I was I thought he could

478
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 1: have a chance to be a really good kind of

479
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,920
Speaker 1: play multiple positions, back up swing offensive lineman to start

480
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 1: his career and then maybe try to work his way

481
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 1: into a starting lineup somewhere. You know, first with the

482
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 1: Iowa guys, he said, Jenning Dunker does said well enough

483
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: to play tackle. I think they're both power gap guys.

484
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 1: You can't put him in his own system. They're both

485
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,199
Speaker 1: straight ahead. The state with the theme of guys who

486
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere, who really weren't, who were not

487
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,400
Speaker 1: created by scouts coming into the season, that were impressive.

488
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 1: Alan Heron of Maryland, who played left tackle, who, in

489
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 1: my opinion, every day he was shutting down Dennis Danny

490
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 1: Sutton of Penn State, he was shutting down. Logan Fanu

491
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 1: of Utah Athletic can move his feet. I spoke to

492
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 1: people after the Senior Ball and they were like, we

493
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 1: weren't getting draftable grades out him, but he's definitely draftable now.

494
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 2: He's six to four in change. Is he tall enough

495
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:30,159
Speaker 2: to play tackle? Well?

496
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 1: He showed the work, he showed the movement skills. Doesn't

497
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: have a great power. Has got to develop that. It's

498
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 1: got to become a bitter run blocker. But you know,

499
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 1: I talked with him and he said, you know, I

500
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: had a good week at the American Ball and things

501
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: were rolling for me. And then he showed up. I

502
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 1: thought he was terrific, But again, you know, it's about expectations.

503
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 1: Really wasn't expecting much from him. When I saw he

504
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: got the invitation, I'm like, all right, we'll see what happens.

505
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: And like Tyron Montgomery wide receiver, heron was I thought

506
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 1: absolutely terrific. I thought Keelan runtcleline had some nice reps,

507
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman from Georgia Tech. There was some thought

508
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: that he could be moved to center at the next level.

509
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 1: One of the more interesting stories was Ohio State offensive

510
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: lineman ethan An, the oneon wa I know, which is

511
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 1: that name?

512
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: I apologize.

513
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 1: It's an interesting story because he was a highly recruited

514
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: transfer from Rice who got third round grades. But it

515
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: was given third round grades by scouts coming into the season,

516
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: but he barely saw the field. I mean, he was

517
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: a backup at Ohio State. They played him primarily at guard,

518
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 1: and you can see why scouts like him excellent need.

519
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: Ben gets his rear end, loaded the ground, blocks with

520
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 1: leverage moves incredibly well. So I think he went from

521
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: potential third round the before the season to free agent

522
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 1: because you'd never played, probably moved back into the late

523
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: rounds as a developmental zone blocking guard.

524
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you.

525
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: I think those are some good names to Tony to

526
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: keep an eye on. All right, let's go to defensive

527
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: tackle here, Tony and good group. I wouldn't call this

528
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: the dominant group necessarily. I think probably Lee Hunter was

529
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: probably the best of the group in terms of consistently

530
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: getting up the field. I thought he did a good

531
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: run and pass out of Texas Tech measured it at

532
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: six three three and twenty pounds. So to me, he

533
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 1: was the guy that stood at the most. But I

534
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,959
Speaker 1: think there are other guys worth mentioning as well. Lee

535
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: Hunter was the man. I mean, day after day after day,

536
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: they couldn't stop him. He was either beating opponents off

537
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: the stop with this per great first step, or he's

538
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: just bull rushing opponents off the want of scrimmage, holding

539
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: his ground against double team blocks. I mean, people are

540
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden mocking him in the first round.

541
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: You know, could it happen? Maybe late first round because

542
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 1: defensive tackle is a priority position in the NFL draft and.

543
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: He plays it well.

544
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: And again, I mean we talked to his teammate at

545
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: the Shrine ball about him transfer into Texas Tech, and

546
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: you know those edge rushers Romelo Height and David Bailey

547
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: get all pub there. But if you watch the film,

548
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: it was Lee Hunter that was creating those opportunities for

549
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: the guys because of his ability to track double team

550
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: blocks and basically create havoc, which is what he did

551
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: all three days during Senior ball practice. I thought Zane

552
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: Durant had a lot of good moments at the Senior

553
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: Ball I got to speak with him. You know, he's

554
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: a smaller guy six barely not even six one, two

555
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety pounds.

556
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: But he's not weak.

557
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean he's small, which means he gets engulfed by

558
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: launching guys, but he shows some power. I spoiled him.

559
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: He's got tree trunk like legs. He was able to

560
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: bull rush upon us off the line in one on

561
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: one blocking.

562
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: Also athletic.

563
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean I saw him a couple of times change

564
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: direction and get out and chase to play laterally. It's

565
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: not a pursuit linebacker, but he's very good at that

566
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: for a defensive lineman. And like Singleton, is Durant a

567
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: guy coming off a relatively disappointing season who showed.

568
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: A lot of good things at the senior ball.

569
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: We should talk about Caleb bankstony because he's probably gonna

570
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: be drafted high just because he's sixty six dur into

571
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: thirty pounds, didn't play a lot this year, came off

572
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: pretty highly grade off of twenty twenty four, even though

573
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: he was still kind of figuring things out. Was a

574
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: little bit inconsistent, and I thought, that's kind of what

575
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: we saw this week. We saw some flash plays in

576
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: one on one, We saw a couple of flash plays

577
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: and team drills. Not a ton during the game, but

578
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy that teams I think are

579
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: still gonna be interested in just because of what he

580
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: brings from a physical standpoint, even though he wasn't the

581
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: most consistent guy in the field during the game. A

582
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: sort of a more athletic version of Lee Hunter, but

583
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: he's not as strong as Lee Hunting. It says that

584
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: he probably moves a little bit better. He's probably a

585
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: little bit quicker. I had a buddy from Florida contact

586
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: me before the season. He said, is Caleb Banks a

587
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: lock first round pick? I'm like, no, he's the second

588
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: round pick. Who if he plays well, if be a

589
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: first round pick. I don't think he's a first round pick.

590
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: I mean, with the injury, we'll see how he interviews,

591
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 2: you know, probably middle part of round two.

592
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: And like I agree with you. I mean, he was

593
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: great in spurts, but he wasn't as consistent as say

594
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: Lee Hunter as Saint Durant were on the field. And

595
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: then one guy thought came on later in the week

596
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: and played well in the game is a big tim

597
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: Keenan out of Alabama. If you want a nose tackle

598
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: from this group, there are many like huge guys, Like

599
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: last year we had Jamoy Cordwong right, he saw him

600
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: like all right, guys and nose you could plug him

601
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: right in.

602
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: You know.

603
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: Keenan's three intred thirty pounds out of Alabama, interesting personality

604
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: and whenever he made a play, he let everyone know

605
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: about it with a little celebration.

606
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: But he's the guy that thought played pretty well late

607
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: in the week.

608
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: Grayson Holton more of a one gap yeah him too,

609
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: three technique tackle from Oklahoma, the opposite of Keenan, though

610
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: it also had a lot of good moments as he

611
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: does on the film. But it's just that he's small.

612
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: He's what six two and a half tw nine three pounds,

613
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: so he's more. You know, a schematic one gap type

614
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: of defensive tackle, three technique type of linement, if you

615
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,239
Speaker 1: will employ that system. We gotta do something about those

616
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and Alabama helmets, Tony. They look exactly the same

617
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: when you're watching on tape and from a DiPT.

618
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 2: It so as well.

619
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: We got Andrew Ball mixed up a couple of times. Absolutely,

620
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: all three of those. They got that all the maroon

621
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: or whatever official color that is, whatever it is, Crimson, right,

622
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: if it's Crimson, Crimson, Tide whatever, like it's killing me,

623
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,239
Speaker 1: Like I gotta double check three times numbers. Then they

624
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: got the jerseys rolled up. You can't see the number

625
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: and you're trying to figure it out, absolutely killing me.

626
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: All right, Well, the next year, bring your binoculars. That's

627
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 1: why I had two pairs. I should have given you one.

628
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: I apologize, not that I think about it. Nah, we're

629
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: all good, we're fine. If I need them, I would

630
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: ask for him. All right, let's go to the edge

631
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: rushers here, Tony. And this is by far the best group.

632
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of names here of guys that

633
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: impressed you. Got some, and I want to start with

634
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: the bigger guys, because I think that's what makes this

635
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: edge group unique.

636
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: You know, you have a lot of two hundred and thirty,

637
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: two hundred.

638
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: And forty pound guys running around Tony that that are

639
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: gonna be you know, upfield speed guys. You got a

640
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: bunch of big power edges, which getting me excited in

641
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: I think the guy. I think a couple guys are

642
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: really good all week, and I'm gonna throw four names

643
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: at you and you can kind of take, however whatever

644
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: you want to go, Tony. I thought Derek Mooret of

645
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: Michigan was great all week. The only guy that can

646
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: block him was Max Ayana short at the point where

647
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: they sort of throwing punches at each other at the

648
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: end of Wednesday's practice. I believe maybe it was into

649
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: Tuesday's practice. Actually, Zion Young out of Missouri was really good.

650
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: Six five to sixty.

651
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 2: He was voted there.

652
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: They're their player of the week at that position for

653
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: that team. Gabe Yaka out of Illinois I thought was

654
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: really good. He's got some juice of two hundred and

655
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: sixty pounds, he can bend the edge. He plays with power.

656
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: And then TJ. Park gotta Clemson.

657
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: I thought it a good week, just using his length

658
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: and his power to bull wash people into the backfield.

659
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: So when you talk about the bigger edge rushers, those

660
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: are the guys that really jumped out of me. Well,

661
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: everybody you know who followed the senior will probably saw

662
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: that play that's gone viral. I actually watched it as

663
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: happened when Derek Moore put Markel Bell, the big offensive

664
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: tackle for Miami, on his butt and MARKL Bell's where

665
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: he's one hundred pounds I would think one hundred and

666
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: four pounds more than and then Derek Moore, You're like, wow,

667
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean he looked the power of this guy, but it.

668
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: Was more than that.

669
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: I mean he stood over tackle, he came out of

670
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: a three point stance. He's explosive with an inside move,

671
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: he can rush to the edge. He is just an

672
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: explosive athlete. And he's got decent qui potential at six

673
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: three and a half, so you know he probably can

674
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: get up to two hundred and sixty five two hundred

675
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: seventy pounds.

676
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: Spoke with him and he was very reserved. We talked

677
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: about the power in his game.

678
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: He said that's something he prized himself on because people

679
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: think that he's the smaller guy. He doesn't have that power.

680
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: I also asked him outright, I said, you know, what

681
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: did you think of what happened at the end there

682
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: at Michigan. He's honest with him. He's like, I was

683
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: sick to my stomach. It says, but hope, I'm hearing

684
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: good things, so hopefully it's in the right way. I

685
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: would agree with y'all.

686
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: Th TJ.

687
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: Parker very explosive, very athletic, very agile. It's gotta get

688
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: a little bit stronger. But I think really restore the

689
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: hope after what was a disappointing season on the stat

690
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: sheet anyway, Zion Young, I mean he's sixty five hundred

691
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: and sixty pounds, a natural defensive end and a foreman front.

692
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: He's got growth potential. I thought Romelo Height also played well.

693
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: Logan Fano had his moments. Really one of the more

694
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: interesting stories to me was Quarantavius Hutchins of Boston College,

695
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: who was first invited to the Shrine Bowl, then I

696
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: elevated the Tenior Bowl. If you watch the film this

697
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: year at Boston College, you gotta look hard to find Hutchins,

698
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: because I mean, he didn't really make an impact. But

699
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: you saw some explosion from him. Six thirty pounds, so

700
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna be standing over tackle. He's not like the

701
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: kid that came out of Boston Holls last year was

702
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: select in the second round.

703
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: But he has those straits in the sense that he's

704
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: he's quick, he showed some speed, He's got an upside.

705
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: This was one of the more interesting uh in postseason

706
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: invitations for me because it was an ornament. It was

707
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: a quick invitation first to the Shrine and up to

708
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: the Senior ball for a guy who really didn't do much.

709
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: But I saw what scouts were seeing and why he's

710
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: someone you gotta go back and watch the film on

711
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: Now I'm with you on that, Tony, And then let

712
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: me throw Romelo how to height Romelo height out there

713
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: as well. He was He's one of the smaller, quicker

714
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: upfield guys. He showed burst, he showed speed, he got

715
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: to the edge, and I thought he did a pretty

716
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: good job against the run too, especially in those drills,

717
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: like he showed that he had the power to stand

718
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: up at the edge and play with some strength and

719
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: not just be a one trick pony as a speed rusher.

720
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: Max Llewellyn at times as well. The kid from Iowa

721
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: who got you know, solid late day to early day

722
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: three grades. The production wasn't there.

723
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: Just in consistent, he was just inconsistent. Yes, but you

724
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: saw white scouts like company. Yo.

725
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: Yes, he is close, he is quick, he's got a

726
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: great frame at six five just to a six five

727
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: and a quarter two hundred and fifty five pounds. He's athletic.

728
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: I agree with you at the inconsistency, which is why

729
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: I was very down on him during the season.

730
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: But you see why. You know, you take him late

731
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: and day in the middle of day three, you know

732
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: you get a good defensive coordinator. If you can harness

733
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: the best out of him, you've got a player there.

734
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: And again some smaller guys Kiroon Crawford out of Auburn

735
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: had some moments rushing the passer, I'm gonna butcher this.

736
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: And Njala Kelly out of Central Florida. I thought he

737
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: had a couple of good moments over the course of

738
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: the week. Logan Fano out of Utah Tony he showed

739
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: the ability to use have some burst on the edge.

740
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: Denny Dennis Sun again showed his power. Yeah, I would

741
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: like to see him larger array of pass rush moves,

742
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: but I thought he showed at least he could hold

743
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: the edge. Kayon Sloan out of NC State. He had

744
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: some good moments during the week. So this to me

745
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: was easily the best group. And you're gonna have maybe

746
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: a couple first rounders, I think in this group and

747
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: at least a half dozen guys going round two. The

748
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: one guy who disappointed me that I was excited to

749
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: see was Tyreek Sap. He was supposed to be in

750
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: a Shrine game. He got moved up, moved up to

751
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: the Sea Bowl. Had a real good twenty twenty four.

752
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: I think last year he had like one sack, and

753
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: you know it really wasn't much of a factor during

754
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: the season, wasn't much of a factor during the Shrine

755
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: during the Seia Bowl. Now, one guy we didn't mention

756
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 1: it defensive tackle who played three days of practice at

757
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl. I believe he played in the game

758
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: then was at the Senior Bowl was Daryl Jackson of

759
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: Florida State. And when Daryl Jackson was on the field,

760
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: it was interesting because in one on ones we saw

761
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: that I saw anywhere the same thing from Daryl Jackson

762
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: at Sea Bowl that I saw at the Shrine Bowl.

763
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: He was dominating his opponent.

764
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: He was knocking guys off the line who's holdings ground

765
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: against double team blots when they do that double dingh drill.

766
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: They really didn't use a much in team, which I've

767
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: found the interesting. I don't know if they were trying

768
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: to save him or what, but Daryl Jackson showed those

769
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: same that same ability. It's seeable that he showed it

770
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: Trine basically to command the middle of the defense of

771
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Now he gets a little high sometimes

772
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: he's a taller player and that gets him into trouble.

773
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: But I agree.

774
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you saw a couple really nice in one

775
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: really good rep against both Stevens, the Iowa guard in

776
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: one on ones where he put him on his your end,

777
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: and then Stevens didn't have beat him on the next rep.

778
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: So I'm with you.

779
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: You know he's a guy too that I think you're

780
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: looking at a Day two pick. It's just a matter

781
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: of when I know there's some off the field stuff

782
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: maybe within people to keep an eye on, but certainly

783
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: very very talented at six to five over three hundred

784
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 1: and thirty pounds. I think three twenty eight is when

785
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: he measured at Toronto if I remember, right. All right, Tony,

786
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,160
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787
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788
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789
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790
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: All right, Tony, look at the lineback and again it's

791
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: a good linebacker group wins a rear draft.

792
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: Glass.

793
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: We had a good linebacker group I think at the

794
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: Panini Senior Bowl. And to me, Kyle Lewis out of Pittsburgh,

795
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure how he gets used at

796
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: the NFL level.

797
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: He's only two hundred and twenty one pounds.

798
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: He's not, you know, between the tackles, take on a

799
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: pulling guard, run game type guy. But man, he was

800
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: all over the place knocking passes down, picking them off,

801
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: fumble recoveries, forced fumbles, and he was just a really

802
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: impactful player all week long and just.

803
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 2: Got better and better and just made more wild plays

804
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: as the week went on.

805
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: And I saw multiple times where he was able to

806
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: take on blocks and shed blocks and get up the

807
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: field to make plays against the run. And I mean

808
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: you look at Lewis at Pittsburgh primarily a run defender,

809
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: really didn't do that much in coverage. Showed a lot

810
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 1: of coverage skills, as you pointed out during the senior ball.

811
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: Just incredibly explosive. I mean, he plays big football, a

812
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: five and a half two hundred and twenty four pounds.

813
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: I spoke with him and it was kind of funny

814
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: because I was asking him. I said, you know, you're

815
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: a smaller guy. You know, do you have a chip

816
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: on your shoulder when you go up against these bigger guys?

817
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: And he says, I.

818
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: Played big man football, and then like he wanted to

819
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: punch me in the face. He's not backing down to anybody.

820
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: Uh but yeah, I mean he was terrific. I thought

821
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: the Elam's or the Kayleb elams or from TCU was

822
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: the best cover linebacker there, which is what I expected.

823
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: He's very athletic. He's the effect of making clays and

824
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: reverse good in pursuit. I thought he had a really

825
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: good week. I thought Jack Kelly of BYU had his moments.

826
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: I thought Bryce Boucher of Oregon also had his moments.

827
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: Oh he bet your He's only I think two hundred

828
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: What are you weigh in at two hundred and twenty seven?

829
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: But that guy pays like a two hundred and fifty

830
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: five pound linebacker. He do you see him knocking his

831
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: own teammate out in warm ups before the game. All

832
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: that dude wants to do is hit people. It's unbelievable.

833
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: Owen Heinike of Okiahallia was terrific though, especially the last day.

834
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: Owen Heinike, he's the guy four pounds, not the fastest guy,

835
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: but he's got it going on between the years. He

836
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: knows what's gonna happen before it happens. His instincts are incredible.

837
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: Jacob Rodriguez, there was good and there was bad. Jacob

838
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: Rodriguez is a fierce run defender. He caused some fumbles

839
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: during the week. He was good in his own coverage,

840
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: but he was also exposed in those one on one drills.

841
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: Rather than covering people covering tight ends, running backs, he

842
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: was chasing them down the field. That was the one

843
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: question I had about Jacob Rodriguez is how is he

844
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: going to do in coverage making plays back to the ball.

845
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: I think he showed it at the senior ball terrific

846
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: against the run, complains own when he's facing the action,

847
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: which can't man him up against tight end because it's

848
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: probably going to be a reception for the opponents. I

849
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: had some concerns about Betcher and coverage as well. I've

850
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: thought changing direction for him was a little bit ro often.

851
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: Heinik's interesting, Tony, So he's trying to get one more

852
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: year of college eligibility. He's He's very much like Trinidad Chambells.

853
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: I think he's appealing right now because he played lacrosse

854
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: at Ohio State before he wound up in Oklahoma, and

855
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: they're holding like a three game lacrosse season against him

856
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: in terms of getting a the year of eligibility. So

857
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: that's another guy wove to keep an eye on as

858
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: you move forward here in terms of whether or not

859
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna be in this draft class or not. But

860
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: I thought, you again, I watched him specifically at practice

861
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: on Thursday, and he was just fantastic. All right, let's

862
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: go to the cornerback position here, Tony, And again nobody

863
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: really jumped out at me. You know, I thought the

864
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: guys were fine. I thought I'll just throw the names

865
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: out there. I thought Chandler Rivers from Duke did pretty good.

866
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: I like his physicality around the line of scrimmage, even

867
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: though he's not the biggest guy in the world. Chris

868
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: Johnson San Diego State, he was okay, not great, but okay.

869
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: Davis Abanosen out of Ohio State, he had a couple

870
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: of flags thrown on him. We talked about that in

871
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: the preview. But man, he is big, he is fast,

872
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: and he is sticky. If he could just get his

873
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: hands off guys, I think he has a chance to

874
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: be a pretty good corner. And then look, I don't

875
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: think cold holder Colton the Hood hurt himself during the week,

876
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: But I don't think people are walking out of mobile

877
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: saying I'm gonna push him up our boards either. I

878
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: thought he was a little inconsistent given that a lot

879
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: of people think he's going to be a first round pick.

880
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean, the corners are very spotty. To me, That's

881
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: the best way I had thought. Eus Dixon had his moments,

882
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: but he got beat Fred Dixon. Fred Davis of Northwestern

883
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: had his moments, but there were times where he got beat.

884
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: TJ.

885
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: Hall early in the week made some nice plays, but

886
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: there were times he got beat. Ilik Muhammad was up

887
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: and down. I like Julian Neil the corner from Arkansas.

888
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: He made a few nice plays, but for the most part,

889
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: it's there was no consistency from this group, which is

890
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: basically why I mean, who's the top corner of the draft.

891
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 2: I mean Jermald McLain who didn't play it down last year?

892
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: Or mon Jermald mccoysual two didn't play down last year,

893
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: A Mons or Delaye who's going to be drafted much

894
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: earlier They should because it's a priority position. But I think,

895
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: going back to what you said at the beginning, you know,

896
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: the senior balls are reflective of what we saw on

897
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: the draft, and what we see in the draft is

898
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: not a very good cornerback class. And what we show

899
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl was a very inconsistent cornerback group.

900
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 2: And in the safety group.

901
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: Tony look, I have always have jump, and I said,

902
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm very upfront about this. I have trouble judging safeties

903
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: at practice. I just think it's not an easy position

904
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: to value when you're watching guys in practice. I thought

905
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: Jalen Kilbore from South Carolina looked pretty good athletic guy.

906
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: He can do a little bit of everything at safety.

907
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 1: I thought, actually Scolar Thomas that out of Oregon State

908
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: actually was a late ad. I thought he looked pretty good.

909
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: Who else at the safety position jumped out of you, Well.

910
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: Bud Clark.

911
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: I really impressed him, because Bud Clark, when you watch

912
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: him at TCU, he looks like a two deep zone safety.

913
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: He showed a lot of range, had a couple of picks.

914
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: I love the way he was communicating with his teammates

915
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: in the backfield, the way he was making the defense,

916
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: the calls. I think that really goes. It shows a

917
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: lot for him.

918
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: So Ky Wheatley of Penn State had his moments.

919
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: VJ. Payne of Kansas State also had his moments. Sean Singleton,

920
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if he's gonna be a

921
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: safety or one linebacker. He's a big, big guy that

922
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: likes to hit. I think I got more from the

923
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: safety class than I did from the cornerback class. And

924
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: maybe it's because I thought the cornerback class was disappointing

925
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: and inconsistent.

926
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: But most of these guys at the safety position gave

927
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: me more than I expected.

928
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 1: All right, So to give me your twenty thousand foot

929
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: view of what you think you saw from this draft

930
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: class at Shrine and at Senior and kind of what

931
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: it means to the draft class overall. I think, first

932
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: of all, from the Senior were disappointed in all the

933
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: nose shows. I mean, we were getting all excited about

934
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: the players that would be there, the Ruben Bangs, that

935
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: David Day's at the angel Pons, and they oppulled out

936
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: at the end. I think, number one, you're gonna get

937
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: some surprises at the tight end position. It may not

938
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: happen on Draft Day, but two or three years down

939
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: the road. You know, we talked about Reardan from Notre

940
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: Damn Shrineball. We talked about Lake McCree from the Shrine Bowl.

941
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: A couple of guys at the Senior Bowl. Not gonna

942
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: be dominant guys, but they're gonna be very productive at

943
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: the next level. I thought the offensive tackles, even though

944
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: it's not a good offensive tackle class, left tackle class

945
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: at the top, but the offensive tackle class did better

946
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: than expected. You know, we mentioned the Arizona KI State

947
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: kid here today, Alan Heron from marynd Although gonna be

948
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: a late round pick.

949
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: We saw.

950
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: We saw the note you Dame kid name escape now

951
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: because we're pasted at Emil Wagner at the Shrineball, who

952
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: was really good. So you're gonna get some potential steals

953
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: in those middle rounds of the tackle class.

954
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: Real good addressing class at both positions.

955
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: At both ends of both games, you know whether it's

956
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: Riager from Wisconsin who's going to be a Day three

957
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: pick or some of the first round as we saw

958
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. But we knew that and we

959
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: saw a lot of good linebacker play. So it's really

960
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: reflective as you would expect from both games as to

961
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: what the draft is going to be. I just think

962
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: that the tit end class, the offensive tackle class, maybe

963
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: even the safety class, you can get some surprises in

964
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: the middle, late rounds, guys that you know may may

965
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: take a year to the blossom Tony.

966
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: So the draft process continues.

967
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll get some word on these appeals from the

968
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: Heinekes and the Chambers of the world over the next

969
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: few weeks.

970
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 2: We leave for the combine.

971
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: I believe three weeks from today, right the toy arriving

972
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: that Monday, that would be the twenty third. We're recording

973
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: this on Monday, so I believe that is the week

974
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: for the combine. Let me double check that in well,

975
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: I'm leaving Tuesday to twenty fourth, so I will be

976
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: leaving three weeks from tomorrow. So yeah, I mean yeah,

977
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: the NFL Combine is the twenty second to March second,

978
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: so we'll be departying in about three weeks for the

979
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: NFL Combine. That gets going so well, if a combine

980
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: preview coming early that week and the next two weeks, Tony,

981
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: I guess we should probably reset what the top of

982
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: this draft class looks like. Maybe we'll go through who

983
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: our first round grades are as we start to get

984
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: ready for the NFL Combine. As now, this draft process

985
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: is only about two and a half months left, maybe

986
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: a little bit more than that, almost three months left

987
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: before we find that where these players end up going. Yeah,

988
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: interesting and just you know what, you know, I think

989
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: overall the shot and see your bowl, some guys made

990
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: movements in the later rounds, but it wasn't a situation

991
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: where and that's the shape of the way things are

992
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: these days. I don't think anybody really shot up into

993
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: the middle early part of round one, in large part

994
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: because most of those guys aren't playing in these games anymore.

995
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm with you, Tony. All right, my friend.

996
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: Enjoy being back in your bed for the next week

997
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: and we will talk next week as we begin to

998
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: get ready for the NFL Combine and we kind of

999
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: reset what the top of this draft is going to

1000
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: look like.

1001
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: Look forward to it, John, anything.

1002
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: Coming down on essentially sports people should keep their rye

1003
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: for you scouting. Your ports are starting to be dumped

1004
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 1: into the Big Board. We had a lot of news

1005
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: though it's t Ryan and Senior Ball beat, the beat.

1006
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: The major media outlets do a lot of news. Happy

1007
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: about that, uh, and you know it's kind of you know,

1008
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: you kind of mention what we're gonna do the next

1009
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. This is kind of a lull, if

1010
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: you will. It's gonna get the super Bowl, and it

1011
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: is kind of a lull. And then all of a sudden, bam, uh,

1012
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: the combine hits us and we're back or full force.

1013
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: So there'll be things up there.

1014
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: Look for an update of the Big Board, Look for

1015
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: scouting reports to be imported into that big Board. There

1016
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: will be no lull here on draft season for Tony

1017
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: Pauline and I am John Spunk.

1018
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for being with us.

1019
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,320
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1020
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: the New York Football Giants.

1021
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 2: We will see you next week. Everybody,