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Speaker 1: the sun from sending. You should heed those wise words

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Speaker 1: from the late great Shmi Skywalker. May she rest in power,

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Speaker 1: because this podcast contains spoilers from a galaxy far far

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Speaker 1: away about the series Star Wars Visions on Disney Plus,

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Speaker 1: as well as the series What If, also on Disney Plus,

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Speaker 1: as well as who knows what else we're gonna end

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Speaker 2: Hello, Welcome to episode five X ray vision of the

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Speaker 2: Croocket podcast, where we dive deep.

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Speaker 1: Into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and popcorn.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, the odin sleep took me.

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Speaker 1: Today we're covering more of Disney Plus dazzling anime anthology

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Speaker 1: Star Wars Visions. But first, welcome back to the show

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Speaker 1: writer and podcasts for Cody Ziggler zig Yo.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, man good. I rewatched my two favorite

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Speaker 3: of the Star Wars visions last night just on a

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Speaker 4: I love that we get to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: You saw I made screencaps with my favorite little evil dude,

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Speaker 3: the Twitter, So I'm very excited about today.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk about it. But first, on

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Speaker 1: previously on, let's talk about what If?

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Speaker 2: What If?

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Speaker 1: Episode seven The Party Thor episode What if Thor were

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Speaker 2: Quick recap.

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Speaker 1: Odin, rather than raise Loki on his own, sends him

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Speaker 2: That was seemed like a better move.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, really get ahead of all the problems.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I know Thor has some issue these works through,

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Speaker 1: Uh Odin falls into the Odin sleep as he is

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Speaker 2: Friga goes off to her sister's.

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Speaker 1: House to drink varietal wines, while Thor goes to Midguard

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Speaker 2: He meets Jane Foster. There are massive sparks.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the horniest Marvel properties to date.

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Speaker 2: In any like MCU any MCU.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the horniest and most romantic MCU

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Speaker 2: We're back today.

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Speaker 1: We're stepping out of the air lock and into a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the first one I saw, one of

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Speaker 1: Director Kenji Kimiyama said at a press conference in Tokyo. Quote,

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Speaker 1: let's think about where this power comes from.

440
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Speaker 2: Let's think about what powers these things.

441
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Speaker 3: That's an interesting I would love to get some some

442
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 3: thoughts on that. That seems like that seems I mean

443
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 3: that that makes sense to me, but also, like you said,

444
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 3: like I'm from.

445
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Speaker 4: An outside looking in and I want to make.

446
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what is your second favorite visions that you

447
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 1: would like to talk about?

448
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 3: Oh h, I give I get a shout out to

449
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:28,199
Speaker 3: the Elder.

450
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 4: I think it's episode seven.

451
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Speaker 2: It is great.

452
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that to me was like that was

453
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,959
Speaker 3: like the pizza resistant, Like that's the one that like

454
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 3: my thirteen year old kidd to me, it's like I

455
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 3: just want to see people fighting. I want to like

456
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Speaker 3: anytime there's like an old grand master, especially if it's

457
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 3: an old grand master who's evil, I'm like sign me

458
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Speaker 3: the fuck. That's exactly That's what I want in every

459
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Speaker 3: single anime i've ever seen.

460
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Speaker 2: A quick recap on The Elder by Studio Trigger.

461
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Speaker 1: On a visit to the Outer Rim, Jedi Master Tijin

462
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,919
Speaker 1: played by David Harber and is Padawan Don played by

463
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: Jordan Fisher sense a disturbance in the force. Arriving in

464
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: a far flung village on an even farther out planet,

465
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Speaker 1: they learn of an old man, the Elder played by

466
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Speaker 1: James Hong, who came to town and then left hiking

467
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Speaker 1: into the mountains. They go to investigate. They find his

468
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: starship and guess what. The Elder is a ex Sith

469
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: who left the Order before it dissolved, and he just

470
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: wants to fight.

471
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Speaker 2: That's it.

472
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: He wants to measure his shit against anybody that is

473
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Speaker 1: any good with a lightsaber.

474
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Speaker 2: So let's go and let's get it on. I love that.

475
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Speaker 2: Let's just do this.

476
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Speaker 1: That's it, Like, let's just get the action out. Let's

477
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: see what it is. Let's let's let this genre like

478
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 1: show people what the vibrancy of anime is. It was

479
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: a super fun episode. I really enjoyed it as well.

480
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, a great choreography in the fighting.

481
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 3: Also, I always love it when anime applies real life

482
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Speaker 3: martial arts to it. Again another another series entry into

483
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Speaker 3: the Star Wars vision series where like the Jedi don't

484
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: come off as complete peaceful like Glass Resort fighting like

485
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 3: tie and is pretty competent light Saberman and that move

486
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 3: that he does where like so like the Elder has

487
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 3: too two lightsaber katanas because of course he has to,

488
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 3: you know, Like he comes in and he swipes me

489
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: and he just grabs his hand and that aquida move

490
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 3: and like disarms him and cuts it in half.

491
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Speaker 4: I was like, you never like.

492
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 3: That's such a such a clean that tells you so

493
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Speaker 3: much about like his personnality, like what this guy's thought

494
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: process is, like how he he approaches fighting and also

495
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: like he's obviously been in a lot of fights and

496
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Speaker 3: he's not afraid to like use his skills and like

497
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 3: that coupled with like the ultimate badass anime move or

498
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 3: like uh, you know, he cuts off his lightsaber and

499
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 3: just ducks under and like just sticks in his chest

500
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: and like he just pops them Like I like I

501
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 3: want to see like that's the type of like visceral

502
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 3: gut punch stuff that I want to see more than

503
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: the Star Wars stuff for like, you know, it feels

504
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 3: like a victory, but also is just cool seeing like

505
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 3: Jedi let their hair down and like do what needs

506
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Speaker 3: to be done?

507
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Speaker 1: What's your What to you distinguishes like a really good

508
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: anime because I think for a lot of people jumping.

509
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: In it's it's so much material and it's so yeah.

510
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: Uh, it's such a blast of energy and force and

511
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: color that it can be hard to be like I

512
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: don't have a perspective yet on what I like.

513
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I'm like I said, I

514
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: like showing an anime which is like young young boy

515
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 3: adlet's boys, like thirteen year olds like stufroutines.

516
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:23,959
Speaker 4: That's what I grew up with.

517
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Speaker 3: First of all, like episode count, like a lot of

518
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 3: anime has way too many episodes, so if like it's

519
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 3: less than like five seasons, like I'm pretty much into it.

520
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 3: But a lot of stuff I like, it's like animation wise,

521
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 3: like I like really vibrant kinetic animation styles, stuff like

522
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 3: one punch Man, My Hero Academia like that that's really

523
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Speaker 3: fun stuff to tackle on Titan.

524
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Speaker 4: But then also like like whatever.

525
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Speaker 3: The theme is like a lot of a lot of

526
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Speaker 3: those stoves because I think the eight they are aimed towards,

527
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 3: like younger, younger people, is that like it's all about, yeah,

528
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 3: you should do good with your friends, like you should

529
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Speaker 3: have This should be about the idea of like the

530
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 3: collective as opposed to like the individual, and like there's

531
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Speaker 3: a way to mix those two where like you can

532
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 3: be an individual, let your you know, let your personally

533
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 3: show through, but also still uplift others and do good.

534
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Speaker 4: And I think that's that's what really draws me.

535
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Speaker 3: If they happen to have some cool robots in it

536
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Speaker 3: as well, it's just icing on the top.

537
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm always a big I'm a big I'm

538
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Speaker 1: a big robot person. Yeah, I mean obviously Voltron I

539
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: think is probably for people mind gen like a lot

540
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: an early intro, although we didn't understand that at the

541
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: time to anime. Yeah robotech similarly, like I've always been

542
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: fascinated about like people inside huge robots, gun dams. Yeah, yeah,

543
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: that kind of shit is just super super cool.

544
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 4: Have you ever seen Pat Lapour? Have you heard of

545
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 4: that series?

546
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Speaker 3: It's the one where like it's another mecha series, but

547
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: they're just like cops in Japan, so it'll be like them,

548
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 3: like they'll have like their big shootout stuff, but then

549
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 3: also will just be like them moving, helping move farming

550
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 3: equipment that's broken down.

551
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Speaker 4: Like it's very fun.

552
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 3: It's very fun, Like it's the like a cab except

553
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 3: for those particular instance, like I support those those robots.

554
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 3: What is it called all pat uh Yeah, very fun,

555
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 3: series director.

556
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Speaker 1: And writer of The Elder Masahikotsuka said at the same

557
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Speaker 1: Tokyo press conference we mentioned before quote. For some viewers,

558
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: this series might be their first Star Wars experience, so

559
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to make something that you can enjoy without

560
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: any knowledge of the rest of the story. So our

561
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: story is not directly connected to any of the characters

562
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: from the films, but it explores the idea of the

563
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: Jedi Knights and the Master and Padawan dynamic in an

564
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: older setting. I thought it did that quite well, and

565
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Speaker 1: it was also, you know, for a story that involves

566
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Speaker 1: a padawan, a Jedi trainee, I thought it was first

567
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Speaker 1: of all, hyper violent and really scary in the sense that,

568
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: like you, I thought we were going to watch this

569
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Speaker 1: padawan get murked, Like I thought that was gonna happen, yeah,

570
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: which is definitely not a place that Star Wars goes

571
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: very often.

572
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Speaker 2: So that was like a whoa.

573
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah this is this is like.

574
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Speaker 3: There's I think the back half, particularly of the season

575
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 3: were definitely lean towards like darker stuff.

576
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 4: Like you know that they have those pop.

577
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 3: With like the the Tattooine rhaps Cee, the Astro Boy

578
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 3: one like t bet Toby or whatever that one was called,

579
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: Like yea, yeah those are pepper but like this one,

580
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 3: like this particularly dark and also like this is just

581
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 3: a complete side. Anytime I see a black person with

582
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 3: the lightsaber, I'm already in so like a part of

583
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: me was like, yeah, I worried that he was going

584
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: to get Mrked, but like I'm glad.

585
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 4: I'm glad that my king pulled through. Shout out to

586
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 4: my boy Dan.

587
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: I still want a lightsaber, Like that's the thing I

588
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: since I was a kid, I've wanted one. I used

589
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: to have lukes from a Return of the Jedi, the

590
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: Green One, and this was like before you know, there

591
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: was any kind of tech they It was just basically

592
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 1: a plastic tube and they had cut notches in it

593
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: in a specific way so that when you waved it,

594
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: it made like a very very like pinner like woo sound.

595
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: But it was not good.

596
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: Now the ones they have now are really cool and

597
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: that you put batteries in them and they make the

598
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: electronic sounds and they sound really great. But I still

599
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: wanted like a legitimate it. I would cut my hand off,

600
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: no question, but I.

601
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: Still want one. I legitimately want one.

602
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

603
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 3: Look, I think I think there's a important time when

604
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 3: technology gets to the point where you can have your

605
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: very own light saber that you will instantly lose a

606
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 3: limb with, and I think he'll be worth it.

607
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Speaker 1: Uh. And then finally let's talk about Tobi One by

608
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Speaker 1: Science Saru. As you mentioned, very reminiscent of astro Boy,

609
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: a robotic boy named Tbi one aka Toby, would love

610
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Speaker 1: to become a Jedi. While working with his creator, Professor Mitaka,

611
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: to turn a wasteland planet into a paradise shades of Pinocchio,

612
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: et cetera. End of course, tob One comes into conflict

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Speaker 1: with a Sith inquisitor. There is a big fight, Toby's

614
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: droid friends help him out.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

616
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Speaker 1: And this is an interesting one because, on the one hand,

617
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: watching it. I had to turn my Star Wars bring

618
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: completely because there's a bunch of stuff in this that

619
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: it's like, this doesn't exist, this would never happen. This

620
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 1: doesn't happen in Star Wars. Droids can't wield the Force. Now,

621
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Speaker 1: it later is revealed that he has a kyber crystal

622
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: inside powering him, but still like, droids can't use the force.

623
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Speaker 1: We've never really seen them successfully wheeled lightsabers in a

624
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: way that would suggest they'd be able to hold their

625
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: own against a Sith inquisitor or anybody with any kind

626
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: of training with it. But I really enjoyed this one

627
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: because it was just it Honestly, it's all about the

628
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: aesthetics for me. The visual style was so like bubbly

629
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: and accessible and Pokemon esque and astro boy esque. The

630
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: droids were super cute. When the inquisitors started like slashing

631
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: them up, I was like, how fucking you? And that

632
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: coupled with like the contrast of this really wonderful childlike

633
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: rounded edges animation and illustration style with like really chaotic

634
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: and vibrant and energetic action and violence was just like

635
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: so so cool.

636
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was fun.

637
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Speaker 3: I mean we've we've said it a couple of times now,

638
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: but like the astro boy of it all with like

639
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: just seeing that tied back to like you know, this

640
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: is distinctively like one of the first popular like animes

641
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: that came out Japan, and like seeing that mapped over

642
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: the Star Wars world and like I'm immediate, I'm thinking

643
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 3: of everything that came after. It's like I'm thinking of

644
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: like this is like Mega Man, like you said Pinocchio,

645
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: Like it's just so fun seeing that in that world.

646
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: But then also there's like a sprinkle of like Miyazaki

647
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: with like the bringing back plants on this world and

648
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: like seeing those like grow together, like they're that's their

649
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: big their big mission is like bringing life back to

650
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 3: this planet. And then at that point you're like, oh,

651
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: I forgot that this was even Star Wars. Not in

652
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: a bad way, but in a sense like you it's

653
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: nice seeing like this side of stuff, like you don't

654
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: need to see like the punchy punchy stuff, Like I'm

655
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,959
Speaker 3: for that, Like I love when he came with the lightsaber.

656
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie, but like like up until that point,

657
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 3: it was nice just seeing like yeah, you know, I

658
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Speaker 3: had a padawan. It seems like he died and like

659
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Speaker 3: maybe we took his brain and put it or like

660
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Speaker 3: you know, they did like a grievous type deal with him,

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Speaker 3: And I don't know that that whole slice of life stuff,

662
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Speaker 3: Like I like seeing stuff that happens after the Fall

663
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Speaker 3: of the Jedi. Usually we get like we get like

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Speaker 3: what was the PS four game with the Ginger Jedi

665
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Speaker 3: and Deborah Wilson fall in order Yes star Like I

666
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Speaker 3: like seeing all that stuff. I like seeing like how

667
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Speaker 3: they sort of pick up the pieces and choose their

668
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Speaker 3: life and what they're doing now that they're on the

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Speaker 3: run and in hiding.

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Speaker 1: I love that too, And it's just as a personal thing,

671
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Speaker 1: Like I love coming of age stories, like I'm a

672
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Speaker 1: sucker for it. Any any young kid trying to find

673
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Speaker 1: their way in a in a in a potentially dangerous

674
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Speaker 1: world that they're only just beginning to realize is dangerous.

675
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Speaker 1: Uh is like crack cocaine for me, Like I love

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Speaker 1: I love that conflict of like the naivete and innocence

677
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Speaker 1: of youth versus the reality of the universe. And if

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Speaker 1: you couple that with like an older character like Mitaka,

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Speaker 1: who is obviously very protective of this younger character, but

680
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Speaker 1: also like maybe because of the age, you know that

681
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Speaker 1: this person can't be around much longer, and that is

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Speaker 1: that is just the ship that gets me like yeah,

683
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Speaker 1: and so I was just like again, I was, I

684
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Speaker 1: was sucked in immediately from the opening minutes of that's

685
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Speaker 1: stuff that really gets to me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know two things.

687
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Speaker 3: That character is not gonna be long round for a

688
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Speaker 3: long time, and they're keeping some secret that's going to

689
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Speaker 3: come to light and an opportune time that the.

690
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Speaker 2: Worst possible time.

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Speaker 1: That I mean, it's the stuff that I love and

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Speaker 1: it's you know, to me, it's like storytelling is like

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Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff that people are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, like especially this was how it was for

695
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Speaker 1: like nerd culture stuff Like when I was like a teen,

696
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Speaker 1: it was like not cool. But to me, a lot

697
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: of the stuff like this, these kind of themes of

698
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Speaker 1: like youth trying to figure it out, protected by like

699
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Speaker 1: an older character. It teaches lessons and it involves themes

700
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Speaker 1: which like our childlike in the sense that you know,

701
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Speaker 1: it's a stage of life you move passed. But on

702
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Speaker 1: the other hand, these are lessons that stay with you your

703
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Speaker 1: entire life, and you consider them childlike because they're so fundamental.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, yeah, that's that's George Luca's whole thing is

705
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Speaker 3: like these are for children, not in a Pejordan sense,

706
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Speaker 3: but like these are myths, and historically myths have been

707
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Speaker 3: you're telling them around a campfire, You're like, hey, don't

708
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Speaker 3: listen to the lake, like narcissists or because you're gonna

709
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Speaker 3: be bad Hercules went on the Twelve Labors to do

710
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Speaker 3: the thing whatever, Like you're just stealing down a very

711
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Speaker 3: complex idea, moral idea to like a simple thing that

712
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Speaker 3: you could tell a kid and they can remember, like

713
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Speaker 3: and I think that's why Star Wars works so well,

714
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Speaker 3: is that it is just a myth that's like, hey,

715
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Speaker 3: there's good and bad. Some could say light, some could

716
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Speaker 3: say dark, and your job in life is to choose

717
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Speaker 3: the lights, which we're equating with good. And I think

718
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Speaker 3: that's very much why the series works so well, particularly

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Speaker 3: this episode, which is just like, yeah, once you put

720
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Speaker 3: a kid in the equation, like it's instantly made simplified

721
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Speaker 3: and you you can sort of like I distill those

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Speaker 3: ideas down, which I think is what you want to

723
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Speaker 3: want with this with the series like.

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Speaker 2: This, Yeah, absolutely it was. It was so much fun.

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Speaker 1: Up next, I talk with Alex Damon of the YouTube

726
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Speaker 1: channel star Wars Explained to talk about what if any

727
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Speaker 1: of this stuff could possibly be canon. Welcome to the

728
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Speaker 1: Hive Mind, where we dive deeper into a specific topic

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Speaker 1: with the help of a guest panelist or interview. On

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Speaker 1: today's episode, Alex Damon of the incredibly popular and incredibly

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Speaker 1: good YouTube channel star Wars Explains, joins me, I'm a subscriber.

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Speaker 2: I'm in the Patreon.

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Speaker 1: I would urge you if you have any interest in

734
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Speaker 1: Star Wars, you want to know more about Star Wars.

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Speaker 2: Alex and Molly do an incredible job.

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Speaker 1: I would subscribe immediately if you are looking for that

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Speaker 1: kind of content. So Alex is joining me today to

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Speaker 1: talk about the you know, the possibilities in Star Wars

739
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Speaker 1: visions for some of this stuff entering canon.

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Speaker 2: Alex, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 6: Well, thanks so much for having me, and thanks for

742
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Speaker 6: all the kind words.

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Speaker 2: You guys are the best.

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Speaker 1: So, first of all, for the uninitiated for this don't

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Speaker 1: know how canon is Star Wars visions, what aspects of

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Speaker 1: it are potentially canon?

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Speaker 6: I would basically just go with the assumption that none

748
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Speaker 6: of it is canon for now. That's the idea that

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Speaker 6: the Lucasfilm producers put forth. They had this idea and

750
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Speaker 6: they were like, just make anything you want, don't worry

751
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Speaker 6: about what's come before or what's going to happen. And

752
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Speaker 6: some of the shorts are very clearly not set in

753
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Speaker 6: the normal universe. Some are, and so I think that

754
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Speaker 6: there's potential for down the line some of these things

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Speaker 6: to be brought into canon, but for now I'm just

756
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Speaker 6: gonna go under the assumption that it's all kind of

757
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Speaker 6: in an alternate universe.

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Speaker 1: Basically, what do you think which ones would be the

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Speaker 1: easiest to kind of slot into existing canon or to

760
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Speaker 1: use as like launch points for exploration of like a

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Speaker 1: different era of Star Wars.

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Speaker 6: I think the easy one is Tattooine Rhapsody, because that's

763
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Speaker 6: the one that you know has Boba Fette and job

764
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Speaker 6: of the Hut and Tattooine in it. So I'm fully

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Speaker 6: expecting someday to be reading a book and someone's just

766
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Speaker 6: gonna mention their favorite band, Star Waiver, and I'll be like,

767
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Speaker 6: there it is, Like there it is, That's it. I

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Speaker 6: think The Village Bride is another one that can pretty

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Speaker 6: easily slide in because it does establish itself in the

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Speaker 6: timeline after the Clone Wars, and it's so set apart

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Speaker 6: on like just this strange planet with their own beliefs

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Speaker 6: and customs, like far away from the Empires, so that

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Speaker 6: one seems like it would be pretty simple the rest

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Speaker 6: of them. Like the Duel, even though it's getting its

775
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Speaker 6: own novel coming up, that one is pretty firmly I think,

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Speaker 6: outside of things, but it's definitely a case by case basis.

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to think. I would love to see more

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Speaker 6: from the Ninth Jedi.

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Speaker 2: That was my favorite one.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was so.

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Speaker 1: Good, and that's that's an approach. I feel like that

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Speaker 1: we haven't seen yet, Like we've gone back, you know,

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Speaker 1: to you know, the High Republic here, we've gone back

784
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Speaker 1: and explored stuff in the past, but we've never jumped

785
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Speaker 1: that far ahead.

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Speaker 2: So that was really cool.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the Ninth Jedi is something I'm very much of

788
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Speaker 6: the belief that the next time we do anything in

789
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Speaker 6: the future, they should jump way into the future, like

790
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Speaker 6: way way down the line, because I love that about

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Speaker 6: the Ninth Jedi, where it did some things where I

792
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Speaker 6: was just like, ah, it stinks that the Jedi are

793
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Speaker 6: still struggling to get restarted, but who knows what happened

794
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Speaker 6: in the past, right one hundred or so years, thousand years,

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Speaker 6: like anything going to happen.

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Speaker 1: I also love the aspect, like the idea that they

797
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Speaker 1: actually haven't seen a lightsaber in a long time, like

798
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Speaker 1: we're just looking where are they?

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Speaker 2: We're looking for them?

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Speaker 7: How do we?

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Speaker 2: You know? Like that was really cool and in addition to.

802
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Speaker 1: The very like creepy overall vibe of that particular short,

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Speaker 1: it was really cool. I guess let's go down and

804
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Speaker 1: let's go in order and just talk about some of

805
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Speaker 1: the canonical questions here. So you mentioned the duel, which

806
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Speaker 1: takes place in a remote village on an unknown planet.

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Speaker 1: We get a duel between a mysterious Ronan and a

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Speaker 1: Sith bandit leader. This of course is going to get

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Speaker 1: a novelization, which I assume is if it's popular enough,

810
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Speaker 1: this character may find its way into Cannon somehow. But

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of interesting like mismatch like parts,

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Speaker 1: like whether it's the design of the stormtrooper helmets that

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Speaker 1: some of the bandits have, you know, how did they

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Speaker 1: get an Imperial spy drone to wield Samurai Swords. What

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Speaker 1: are your thoughts about this one in terms of if

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Speaker 1: it were canon, when would it be.

817
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Speaker 2: And where.

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Speaker 6: I have an interesting perspective on this one because I

819
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Speaker 6: was lucky enough to get the book before the shorts

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Speaker 6: came out. Oh cool, So it was kind of yeah,

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Speaker 6: cool and a little not disappointing. But just the first

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Speaker 6: two chapters of the book are the short, and I

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Speaker 6: kind of realized that after the first chapter. I was like,

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Speaker 6: oh no, I'm being spoiled.

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Speaker 4: It is what it is.

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Speaker 6: But on the other hand, it was kind of cool

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Speaker 6: to be watching the short and like know who the

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Speaker 6: Ronan is and who the band it is and know

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Speaker 6: a little bit of extra history. But I think that

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Speaker 6: based on the book, there's no way that this is

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Speaker 6: going to be can't Like I think that they were

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Speaker 6: very much like, this is its own thing. It's a

833
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Speaker 6: completely different take, completely different history. I won't go too

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Speaker 6: deep into that.

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Speaker 2: He's so deep. If you feel as if you need to,

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Speaker 2: I would love to hear it.

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Speaker 6: I'll just throw it like a mild. I'm not going

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Speaker 6: to go into plot details so much, just universe details

839
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Speaker 6: for the book in case people want to read it.

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Speaker 6: But it goes into like a different history for the Jedi,

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Speaker 6: and I see the Jedi are very different, the Sith

842
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 6: are very different. It's all familiar stuff. Obviously, we have

843
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Speaker 6: lightsabers and the Dark Side and the Light Side and ships,

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Speaker 6: and I'm trying really hard to be delicate in what

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Speaker 6: I say, but it's definitely an alternate take on Star Wars,

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Speaker 6: just like Visions was supposed to be. So if I

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Speaker 6: were to place it somewhere in can I would place

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Speaker 6: it way way an even longer time ago in a

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Speaker 6: galaxy far far away. But I don't think that's going

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Speaker 6: to happen.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Tattooed Rhapsody by a Studio Colorido.

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Speaker 1: This one, I think is maybe the most interesting about

853
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Speaker 1: where it would slot into canon if you were going

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Speaker 1: to try and place it in there. A former Jedi

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Speaker 1: patawan because the singer of an aspiring rock band. He

856
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: very nonchalantly wears his lightsaber on his belt as a microphone.

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Speaker 1: And of course a lot of the story takes place

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Speaker 1: on Tatooine. We see the pod racing stadium. We meet

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Speaker 1: a new son of Jaba, the hut Geezer, who is

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Speaker 1: a new I think is Jabas This is a new Sun.

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Speaker 1: This would be a new Sun for Jaba canonically, a

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Speaker 1: new child for Jaba. I mean, you tell me where

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Speaker 1: would this fit into canon? If it did fit in

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Speaker 1: and using context clues, where do you think it might

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Speaker 1: fit in?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think it would have to go five,

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Speaker 6: maybe ten years somewhere in that area after Revenge of

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Speaker 6: the Sith, since it starts off and we see Jay

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Speaker 6: surviving Order sixty six or what I assume is happening

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Speaker 6: there and he escapes.

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Speaker 4: Ge Is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's interesting because I'm not sure if he's definitely

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00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 6: part of like the family as in the Hut cartel.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if he's Rada's brother. I know everyone

876
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 6: is desperate to know what happened to Rata the Hut

877
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 6: from the Clone Wars, but I feel like g is

878
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 6: probably too old for Rata to have great.

879
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,479
Speaker 1: He's two three hundred years old or something like that.

880
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: And I guess, like you could what they could say

881
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: is like during the events of Clone Wars and we

882
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 1: knew Rata, it's like Jesus was like on the road,

883
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: like traveling with the band.

884
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 6: It's so therefore, yeah, probably like, yeah, it's just a phase.

885
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 6: He'll come back. It was clear that it wasn't he

886
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 6: had to send Boba fet out.

887
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: Another fun fact about this, about this particular episode is

888
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: Boba Fett, isn't it with the original trilogy? Look, what

889
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: do we know about Boba Fett during this time frame

890
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: five to ten years post Revenge of the Fith.

891
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, not a ton. I guess like he'd be an

892
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 6: up and comer as well, now that I think about it,

893
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 6: kind of that that's an idea that Java sent his

894
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 6: up and comer bounty hunter after this up and comer band.

895
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 6: But yeah, I guess he'd be making a name for

896
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 6: himself at this point and canon we don't have a

897
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 6: whole lot for him right now, but he's been shown

898
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 6: to be pretty ruthless at this time, Like there's a

899
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 6: reason he's the most feared bounty hunter in the Galaxy,

900
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 6: which he does point a blaster pistol at that unconscious dude,

901
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 6: and I was like, oh.

902
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: Right, he does do that.

903
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: I wonder if this is how Java's like love of music,

904
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: Like this is how he hires Max Rebo, you know

905
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like is through his becoming like the

906
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: de facto manager of an indie rock band in the Galaxy.

907
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 6: I love that idea.

908
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 4: I love that.

909
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 6: I'm trying to think if because I don't think we

910
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 6: see the Max Ribo band or anything like that in

911
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 6: the Clone Wars movie or TV show. So yeah, this

912
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 6: could be Yeah sparking a love of music for Java,

913
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 6: or or yeah, he just he doesn't even care about

914
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 6: the music. He's just a slimy records dealer like that.

915
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 6: That seems to fit to But that's a really fun

916
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 6: idea that he's got to. Like, I love Jedi Rocks.

917
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 6: This is gonna be the song that blows up and

918
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 6: I've got the band here.

919
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: I've got the band. I've got him like. And then

920
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: of course it's like when it comes when it comes

921
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: time to get paid, it's like he's like, here's a

922
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: here's a little how about this speeder? And then Heat

923
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: and then Java just like embezzles all the profits for everybody.

924
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, like the colonel, like Elvis's manager.

925
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: It's like they live in hand to mouth and Drava's

926
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: just getting rich off their off their work.

927
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 6: I think in the Tales from the Java's Palace book,

928
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 6: back in the Legends days, he had a deal set

929
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 6: up where Max agreed for the entire band that they

930
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 6: would just work for food, and like everyone else is

931
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 6: mad at Max for making that deal, but he was

932
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 6: happy with it.

933
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: So well, I mean, what are you gonna go against Java.

934
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: There's tips too, you know, there's like perks if you're

935
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: in the Palace. The next episode of the Village Bride

936
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: by Kinemi Citrus, after the Great Jedi Purge, a Gedi

937
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: named f and an advisor explorer named Valco participate and

938
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: engage in a distinct wedding customs of an isolated village.

939
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: Here we see.

940
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: Separatist droids that have been reprogrammed. When would this take place?

941
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: You think if you had to try and slot it

942
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: in right.

943
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 6: So we're again we're going after the Clone Wars. I

944
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 6: don't think it takes place like five years down the line,

945
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 6: especially with battle Droids still in the mix. It seems

946
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 6: like it would be closer to one or two years

947
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 6: after Revenge of the Sith.

948
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: That's a fun one. Producer Kanako Shirisaki told star Wars

949
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: dot Com. This short introduces the Force in a unique way.

950
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: People of planet Kila don't know the concept of the Force,

951
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: but they interpret in their own way. They call it

952
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: Majina and use it to connect them with the nature

953
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: around and we saw a lot of interesting recontextualizations of

954
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: the Force and people's relationship to They're kyber crystal and

955
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: how the kyber crystal works within the Light Saber. What

956
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: did you think of like those kind of new explorations

957
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 1: of the Force and kyber and stuff.

958
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 6: I always love that stuff. I mean, I've always enjoyed

959
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 6: new interpretations of the Force. I remember when Luke started

960
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 6: talking to Ray about how like if the Jedi die,

961
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 6: the Light does not die. That's vanity and yeah, there's

962
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 6: so much more than just the Jedi and the Syth,

963
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 6: but that's what we spend the most time on. So

964
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 6: I love when Star Wars Rebels takes a look at

965
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 6: things with the Losad or the Clone Wars goes to

966
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 6: the Night Sisters and we see dark Side magic. So yeah,

967
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 6: I love seeing new takes. And the Magina was fun

968
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 6: where yeah it's not we can't move rocks with our minds,

969
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 6: but we can experience like the memories of the planet

970
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 6: and stuff. I thought that was really cool.

971
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: Do you think they ever bring in like.

972
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: More of like the fource sensitive animals as an animal lover,

973
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: like will we Do you think we ever see more

974
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: of that stuff in.

975
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: The canonical Star Wars.

976
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 6: I think we've seen some cool things, especially in Star

977
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 6: Wars Rebels, the loth Wolves, they were pretty crazy. And

978
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 6: then I feel again in the Last Jedi, I feel

979
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,959
Speaker 6: like they touched on that with the vult to see

980
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 6: is the little Fox the Crystal Foxes helping lead the

981
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 6: way out, Like I wouldn't mind seeing more of that

982
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 6: in live action, kind of like the nature side of

983
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 6: things coming into assist instead of it always. I guess

984
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 6: that's also a very Lord of the Rings thing, the

985
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 6: eagles coming to save the day, but something like that,

986
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 6: I think that fits in Star Wars too.

987
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: Let's talk about both of our favorites.

988
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: Also Cody's favorite, The Ninth Jedi, produced by Production Ig,

989
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: the daughter of a lightsabersmith, discovers her own talents with

990
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: the Forest as she's pursued by sinister bounty hunters while

991
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: attempting to deliver what maybe the first new batch of

992
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: lightsabers in many many years to Margaret the Margrave. I

993
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: just love the way she's like, oh, it's the Margrave,

994
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: Like it's so cut. This one was just super fun

995
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: and just had my wheels turning about what a year's

996
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 1: jump ahead Star Wars story could possibly be.

997
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 2: This one was really cool. It's so hard.

998
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: But if you had to guess, like how many years

999
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: ahead of where we are in the let's say the

1000
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: latest trilogy, like marking to that timeline, how far ahead

1001
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: might this be, and what from this would you like

1002
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: to see? Kind of make it sway in the cannon.

1003
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna I'll just go like, let's say four

1004
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 6: thousand years, like really throw it out there, give us

1005
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 6: a bunch of time in between where yeah, like maybe

1006
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 6: Ray did get the Jedi ordered back up and running,

1007
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 6: and then again like just cycles the galaxy goes through,

1008
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 6: because that's happened in the past as well, where the

1009
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 6: Jedi been whittled down to almost nothing and then they

1010
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 6: come back. So I'd rather see that. Then it's like, oh,

1011
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 6: it's fifty years in the future and like still the Jedi.

1012
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, still, it's like still just a handful of us,

1013
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: And yeah.

1014
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 6: It's funny. I think it would also work really well

1015
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 6: as an ancient history story for Star Wars, where it's

1016
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 6: like they're just now figuring out how lightsabers are made,

1017
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 6: and that's kind of what the why they're a little

1018
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 6: bit different. But man, I loved the the Kyber crystals

1019
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 6: that react to the Wielder.

1020
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like that too.

1021
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 6: I thought that was such a cool concept, which has

1022
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 6: been explored in Star Wars a little bit before, or

1023
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 6: they were going to a return of the Jedi and

1024
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 6: then they didn't do that. But when Darth Vader takes

1025
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 6: Luke's lightsaber and Jedi was it was going to be

1026
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 6: read and I think they decided that'd be too confusing.

1027
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 6: So I liked that they brought it back here and

1028
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 6: used it as like the signal of a twist that

1029
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 6: all of these guys are Sith and you're in deep trouble.

1030
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 6: So I'd love to see something like that, I think

1031
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 6: explored in live action or canonically.

1032
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 1: I love the way it explored also, like just not

1033
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: just the Kiber, but the way that there can be

1034
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: different kinds of lightsabers, like a lightsaber that where the

1035
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: length changes and stuff like that. Have they Is that

1036
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: something that they've explored before in Legends or anything, where

1037
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: there can actually be lightsabers that are clear or or

1038
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: different colors than red and green, or that can change length.

1039
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I remember in the Jedi Academy trilogy,

1040
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 6: I think kipped around had a lightsaber that could change color.

1041
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 6: It could definitely change length, but that's something that isn't

1042
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 6: really unique to the Ninth Jedi. Like lots of lightsabers

1043
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 6: can change their length. We just never really see it

1044
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 6: utilized in a show or a movie. The way that

1045
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 6: Kara could do it. It was almost through the force.

1046
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 6: It wasn't like a technological thing. She just willed it

1047
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 6: to be longer or shorter. And then of course her

1048
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 6: white saber color changes over the course of the story.

1049
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 6: I love that we even see the Margrave. His lightsaber

1050
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 6: has like a little ring on it. He has like

1051
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 6: a little extra flare.

1052
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: Well, now in these shorts, there's a lot of you know,

1053
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: we got some obviously again this is noncononical. Well, we've

1054
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: got some new sources of kybercrystal that don't exist in

1055
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: what we know about Star Wars.

1056
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: But where.

1057
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: Cannon wise, where are the sources of kiber crystal right

1058
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: now that are for sure?

1059
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 6: Well, Illam is like the big one, that's kind of

1060
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 6: the sacred Jedi spot. But they've mentioned Jetta as a

1061
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 6: place that has kiber lowtholl I mean, kybercrystals can be

1062
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 6: found all around. It's just that there's certain areas like

1063
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 6: Illam where they're found in high concentration. But it doesn't

1064
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 6: like that never stood out to me where I was like,

1065
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 6: oh well, kayper crystals can't be here. It was just like,

1066
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 6: it's just another planet that has them in that ring,

1067
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 6: which I thought that the mining catapult things. Yeah, I

1068
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 6: thought that was a really cool idea pitch.

1069
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: Finally, like why don't I'd love to hear you pitch

1070
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: your personal like Star Wars Visions episode, like what would

1071
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 1: you love to see?

1072
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 6: Oh man, I mean I think I probably would have

1073
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 6: gone back in time, an old republic. Maybe maybe the

1074
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 6: Jedi just starting to begin. Maybe we get into the

1075
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 6: hundred year Darkness, which is when the Siths split off

1076
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 6: from the Jedi and they actually start to fight. I

1077
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 6: think that would be fun. Although after seeing Visions, I'm like,

1078
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 6: my big criticism of the series is that they were

1079
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 6: they were all Jedi stories. It would have been fun

1080
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 6: to see something else, like a Starfighter pilot story or

1081
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 6: just a bounty hunter. Star Waiver was I think the

1082
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 6: closest to that, where it was more scoundrels. So maybe

1083
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 6: I would say, I still want to play with the

1084
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 6: Jedi in the Force, so maybe we do the Mandalorian

1085
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 6: Wars or something like that.

1086
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the one that I would pitch, and

1087
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: I would pitch it because one, I'm super interested in

1088
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: that era, and two I feel like we could get

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Speaker 1: it made because the pitch would be, Hey, this is

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00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 1: providing context to the Mandalorian the show about their culture,

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00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: and you know how important their relationship with best gar

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00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 1: Is and their different confrontations with the Jedi, Like, this

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00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: is important context to that story. So what about what

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Speaker 1: about a Mandalorian Wars story.

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Speaker 6: I feel like we could have a lot of fun

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00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 6: with man Laurian armor as well, like anime Mandalorian armor

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00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 6: sounds fun, and then eventually you get like a Mandalorian

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00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 6: Gundam or something huge.

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Speaker 1: Just Cody would flip out, that would be super cool.

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Speaker 1: Check out Star Wars Explained on YouTube. Alex and Molly

1101
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: do the best job in the business explaining everything about

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Speaker 1: Star Wars two. If there's a show that comes out,

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Speaker 1: check in there. If you want to know the entire

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00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: timeline of the Star Wars universe, that's there for you.

1105
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Speaker 1: If you want to know about Star Wars Visions. If

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Speaker 1: you want to know the bad Batch, go to Star

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Speaker 1: Wars Explain on YouTube. It's great, Alex, thank you.

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Speaker 2: For joining us.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Up next, the Endgame. We're in the Endgame now, folks.

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00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: And this week, in honor of Ziggs, the Amazing Spider

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00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: Man number eighty coming December first run. Don't walk to

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00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: your local comic shop to make this thing fly off

1114
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: the shelves. We're playing fit check Spider Verses. We're going

1115
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: to rank our top three favorite Spider Man universe costumes.

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00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: And that can be heroes, that can be villains, that

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00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: can be if you're like man j Jon and Jameson

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00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: really wore the ship out of that that particular day.

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00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 2: That's fine. Are you ready, Cody? Would you like to

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Speaker 2: go first?

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Speaker 3: I you know, I'll do the honor. I'll that will

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00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: take the honor of going first. First off, you got

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Speaker 3: to give a shout out to the Spider Verse suit

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Speaker 3: for Miles Rale. It's one of the cleanest to ever

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Speaker 3: do it and also perfect perfectly captures what that character

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00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 3: is with like you know, if you when you it

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00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 3: just distills down like what a black young kid should be,

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00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 3: like you have his suit. You have that, it's like

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00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's it's a Peter's original red suit,

1130
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 3: uh spray painted over, giving his own identity, but like

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00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 3: what all ties together? The fucking Jordan's And like it's

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00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 3: crazy to think that, Like when I when I think of,

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Speaker 3: like I think what most people think of, like Miles

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00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 3: Roles now they think of like the Chicago ones. He's

1135
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 3: got his suit on, but like really like that was

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00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 3: that was the first time that you saw that out

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00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 3: in large, Like, I gotta give.

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Speaker 4: It up for the Spider Verse suit.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. I also have the Spider

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00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: Verse suit on my on my list. It's just awesome. Yeah,

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00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: when he dives off the Empire State Building and it's

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00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: you're just like, yes, everything about it is cool. And

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00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: as you said, like you know, the trick with character

1144
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: design is can the costume convey something about the character?

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00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: And it does it.

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00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: My next pick is also a costume design that I

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00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: feel like conveys the character. And to me, it's I

1148
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: think it's the most exciting costume design, Like I don't

1149
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: know in the last ten years, in a long time.

1150
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: It's Spider Gwen oh Ye Gwen Stacy from Earth sixty

1151
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: five with the white, the white and red kind of

1152
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: like pinkish spider suit with the hood. I remember the

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00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: first time I saw it was like holy signed by

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00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: Jason Latour.

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00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, is just so fucking cool.

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00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:10,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, any any heroes costume with a hood into it

1157
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 5: like it's kind of at leisure. It's superhero I all

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00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 5: the way, and I fucking loved it. Its first appears

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Speaker 5: in issue number two of the Edge of the Spider

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Speaker 5: Verse storyline.

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Speaker 2: It's just super rad, super.

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Speaker 4: Perfect, perfect choice.

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Speaker 3: Another Spider Verse suit, uh well from the from the

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00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 3: comics is a spider punk uh uh class like such

1165
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 3: a bizarre comic book weirdo. Yeah, in this universe, I

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00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 3: guess Peter is a is a British punker who still

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00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 3: plays in a punk band before he goes around time

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00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 3: whipping and equipping. So like, I love I love the

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00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 3: guitar accessory that he has. I love the spiked liberty

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00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 3: spikes in the Spider suit. Ten tin costumes on no

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Speaker 3: notes on that one.

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Speaker 1: So let's see, I've got to u. I mean this

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00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: is very basic and I'm I'm just gonna do it.

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00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: The simi ot suit, you know, its origins and the

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00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: Secret Wars crossover event, Peter gets this black goo that

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00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: becomes his suit. Eventually, all sorts of high jinks occur

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Speaker 1: when he realizes it's alive and is making him swing

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00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: through the canyons of New York City at night and

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00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: do various things that he doesn't even remember doing. Eventually,

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00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: they get it off of them read Richard's helps by

1181
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: blasting it with sonic waves. This was like a fucking

1182
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: earthquake when I first started reading comics.

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00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, like Spider Man really other.

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00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: Than like the webs under the armpits and some shit

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00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: around the eyes, like had not the costume was static, yes,

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00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: for thirty years or whatever it was twenty five years,

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00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: like it had never changed, and then the Black Suit

1188
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: came in and just switched everything up and the game

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00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: was forever altered. It was so cool when the Black

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00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: Suit came.

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00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 4: Out, still one of the cleanest suits in the.

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00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: Game, absolutely immaculately fucking clean. And then the ability to

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00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: like dive into this whole other backstory that opened up

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00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: an entire other wing of Spider Man lore with both

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00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: heroes and villains, and villains that then became heroes with

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00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: the introduction of the of the Symbiote and its various abilities.

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00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: Super cool.

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Speaker 1: Love the Symbiote suit, It's just part of it is

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Speaker 1: a defining landmark of my childhood.

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Speaker 2: What is your last suit?

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Speaker 3: I am also going with a villain turned sometimes anti

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00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 3: hero turned usually back to villain. I'm going with doc

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00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 3: Ox white pimp suit.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 3: I gotta get shut out to to my bowl cut

1206
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 3: key walking up in the cut with this white suit.

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00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 3: Gott a tailor made probably in the Lower Manhattan. Got

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00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 3: to fuck up with his four holes for his arms

1209
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 3: to come through, like we gotta give it up. My

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00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 3: man with the sunglasses on.

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Speaker 1: Got it that it made like sometimes he'd have the

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01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: little like you know, the little carnation in lapel, that

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01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,919
Speaker 1: fucking square cut of the shoulders so my guy looks

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01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: like a linebacker.

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Speaker 2: He knew what was.

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01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: Going on, dude, he knew what it was about. That

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Speaker 1: is a great grip. I love that suit.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Special mention for one of my least favorite suits, the

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Speaker 1: Iron Spider Comics suit.

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01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: It's tedious. I hate it. It's disgusting.

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01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 4: What do you think about the version of it?

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Speaker 1: It was the MCU version was fine, was better, but

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Speaker 1: like the comics version Tony Stark, the guy has never

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01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: had like he's not what I would call a tasteful guy.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't understand the aesthetics, the aesthetic game. He just

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Speaker 1: is like, you know, form should follow function, and there's

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01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: just too many bells and whistle. You can tell he's

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Speaker 1: a car guy with that suit.

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Speaker 2: Didn't love it.

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Speaker 1: I just got to shout that out because I found

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01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: it gross and also just like I don't this is

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01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: just me and I have the same problem with the

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Speaker 1: MCU version of the suit.

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Speaker 2: But it's but I get it. I don't like the legs,

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01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 2: Like I don't want the spider legs in it. That's it.

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01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: It's too much.

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01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: It's kind of like why it's this is why Mickey

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01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: Mouse wears gloves because if he takes off the gloves,

1240
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: you realize he's a fucking rat because you.

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01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 4: See rat claws.

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01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: Similarly, when Spider Man has the spider legs, you're like, oh, yeah,

1243
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: that's a spider I'm kind of creeped out.

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01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, no, yeah, it's too much.

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01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 2: I don't need it.

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01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: That's it for the endgame. Let us know whether you

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01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: agree or couldn't disagree. More share your answers using the

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Speaker 1: hashtag x R v end game. That's hashtag x R

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Speaker 1: v end game. Zig, thank you so much for joining us.

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01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: Alex Damon, thank you for joining us as well.

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Speaker 2: Zig. Where can people find you next?

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01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 4: You know what? I found me at all them social media?

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Speaker 4: Jay for Zig.

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Speaker 3: I think as of this week when this episode drops,

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Speaker 3: I have a short story of backup in Miles Morales

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01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 3: Number thirty ten year anniversary. I had a very emotional

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01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 3: post about it. I remember ten years ago I was

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01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 3: running to the comics shop because I heard there was

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Speaker 3: a Black Spider Man And to say that ten years later,

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Speaker 3: I have my own short story in it as a

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Speaker 3: god dream, So like, check that out.

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Speaker 4: I would love for people to read.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what a what an amazing turn of events,

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01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: like for real, like it's weird. Congratulations Zig, it must

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Speaker 1: be it. I can't imagine what it feels like. It

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01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: must feel amazing. I mean, you know, similarly but much

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01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: less cool. The fact that I get to talk about

1268
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: this stuff that I've loved since I was a kid

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01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: is truly a blessing. Yeah, we're gratulations to you pick

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01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: that issue up and don't forget amazing Spider and number

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Speaker 1: eighty December.

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Speaker 2: First pick it up folks next week.

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Speaker 1: Our episode will be dropping on Thursday, October sixth in

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01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: order for us to cover the finale of Marvel's What

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01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: If on Disney Plus.

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01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: This is the Way and that's it for Extra Vision

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01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 2: this week.

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Speaker 1: See you next time. X ray Vision is a Crooked

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Speaker 1: Media production. The show is produced by Chris Lord and

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Speaker 1: Saul Rubin. The show is executive produced by me Jason

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Speaker 1: Spcion and Sandy Gerard. Caroline Reston and Carlton Gillespie are

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Speaker 1: consulting producers and are editing and sound design is by

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Speaker 1: the Great Sarah Gibb Alaska and the folks that chapter four.

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01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 2: Thank you Brian Vasquez for our theme music.

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Speaker 7: Thank you Himedel for being here on this remote interview.

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01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 7: I'm not sure why we had to be on a

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01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 7: zoom call if you can see and hear everything, but

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01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 7: here we are.

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01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't want to tell you how

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01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 2: to do your job, but how would you speak to me? Right? See,

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01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: it's more it's mainly for your benefit.

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Speaker 7: Great, I'm glad you think that. Okay, you came very

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01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 7: highly commanded by thor Thank you. Not sure if that's

1294
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 7: a good for your bad thing.

1295
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: But we're we're bros. Oh okay, good, that's my bro.

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01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 2: That's my that's my it's my bro. You know, the

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01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 2: son of the King. I don't know if you know that. Yeah, wow, very.

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01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 7: Very familiar with Thor. He wants through a massive part

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01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 7: in my backyard and destroyed a beautiful fountain I spent

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Speaker 7: months building. But that's not it here and there. So

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Speaker 7: I don't know if you know what the job is.

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Speaker 1: But I do know that I've heard, I've heard tell

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Speaker 1: a little bit about it, but don't tell me more So.

1304
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 7: You are going to wields the wolfend, this gorgeous sword here,

1305
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 7: and it triggers the Byfront to go across the Rainbow Bridge,

1306
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 7: to go across the universe nine realms. Also, you are

1307
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 7: responsible for seeing and hearing everything that happens across all

1308
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 7: time and space.

1309
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: I got that, Yeah, I got that. I think I

1310
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: put that down there on my on my resume. If

1311
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: you have it right there, Yes, sees and hears everything

1312
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: in the universe.

1313
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 2: That's me.

1314
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: I see it all, all, seeing, all hearing, all knowing

1315
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: the whole bit. If mouse farts in Jotunheim, I hear it.

1316
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: I see it, I smell it, I know about it.

1317
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: I won't tell you about it. I could mention all

1318
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: the mice farting on all the different realms right now,

1319
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: but that's I keep that to myself. I just mentioned

1320
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: mainly the important stuff. But I do see and hear everything.

1321
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: That's absolutely So.

1322
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 7: You saw then when Thor destroyed my fountain that I

1323
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 7: had spent so much time working on, and what just

1324
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 7: didn't say anything like, hey, maybe don't.

1325
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean there's a different you know,

1326
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: there's different it's situational when you would mention stuff obviously

1327
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: if it rises to the level of of, you know,

1328
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: a threat to a realm or something like that. But

1329
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: if it's just a if it's just something that's going

1330
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: on in a backyard some like minor property damage, I

1331
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: don't really see the need to mention that to Odin,

1332
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: who I believe was sleeping at that time.

1333
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: Anyway, Okay, so yeah, do I have the job or what?

1334
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 6: Uh?

1335
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 7: I guess no one else applied, so I guess you

1336
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 7: got it. But just just actually just you know, try

1337
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 7: and watch the universe if you can, and and maybe

1338
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 7: just try to keep going vantages.

1339
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: By the way, your Amazon packages are being dropped off

1340
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: at your house right now.

1341
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 7: Uh ship, I gotta go. Okay, fine, I guess you

1342
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 7: got the job. Congratulations,