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Speaker 1: First off, we would like to thank you for coming

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Speaker 1: on here. Man, like big fan, big big fans of yours,

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Speaker 1: and we appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: It's like we didn't we just solidified the trilogy. We

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Speaker 1: didn't have Tim, we had Chris, and now it's like

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Speaker 1: it's it's whole for us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well we we've been talking about it for a while. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So we uh we thank god we did. We got

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Speaker 3: it here now, thank you for having me, man, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: You know when you first got to the league, who

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Speaker 1: was the first person to bust yours? Man?

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Speaker 2: I think Clyde Dretchler, Yeah, Clyde with the curl, Yeah, Clyde.

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Speaker 2: Clyde with the curl. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think Clyde was was the first one that kind

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Speaker 3: especially at their place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question what about it was he was he doing?

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Speaker 1: Because a lot of people don't they don't really say

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Speaker 3: Getting big right right Well Clyde, I think you know,

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Speaker 3: people don't understand he was six seven, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean, and he was big he's about two forty two.

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Speaker 2: Thirty something like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was big, and you know, he get

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Speaker 3: So he just skies. And so when he's driving to

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Speaker 3: the hole, man, if you don't get out the way,

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Speaker 3: he take off. Man, Yeah, he's gonna take off. So

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Speaker 3: you kind of kind of got to guard him before

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Speaker 3: he takes flight, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: You got to try to put your body on it.

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Speaker 3: But but Clyde was a difficult match up because he

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Speaker 3: did so many different things.

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Speaker 2: You know, he was kind of a little awkward and how.

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Speaker 3: He posted up, you know, he spinned the other way

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Speaker 3: like usually a right hander, he usually use his left shoulder.

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Speaker 3: And Clyde did a lot of different things. But he

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Speaker 3: was pretty good and a good rebound in a good passion.

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Speaker 2: Yo.

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Speaker 4: Yo, Yo, we live on location Los Angeles, California. But

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Speaker 4: don't worry, we are visible with Verizon right black. We

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Speaker 4: got them towers, you know that, don't hey, this is

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Speaker 4: a Hall of Fame. Addition, and yare leading the triangle.

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Speaker 1: Yo.

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Speaker 4: We got the run TMC final piece to be completed.

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Speaker 4: This is Hall of fame for a lot of Dale's

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Speaker 4: find it's Kansas State's finance. We got the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 4: the rock Mitch Richmond in the building. We appreciate you,

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Speaker 4: o G.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate for having men, thank you for having me brother

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Speaker 2: presented by visible.

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Speaker 1: What light of Little Florida. That's football all day, That's right.

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Speaker 1: So you started off for football player exactly, and then

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Speaker 1: you got high school and.

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Speaker 2: You play high school.

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Speaker 3: I played hoops, well, I played you know, on the street, yeah,

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Speaker 3: the playgrounds, but organized I started in the tenth grade,

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Speaker 2: And that's when I switched over.

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Speaker 3: Went out for went out for for training, went out

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden, you know, I'm like, I love it.

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Speaker 3: And then made the team. And then history was from there.

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Speaker 3: I made varsity my South my sophomore year, they moved

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Speaker 2: And then and then it went from there.

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Speaker 4: Man, what made you go to uh to the community college?

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Speaker 4: Was it because of the grades? Those grades?

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Speaker 3: You know, if you look back my ninth grade year,

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Speaker 2: And when you're younger, you want to be around your friends.

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Speaker 3: And then my mama, my mom found out that, you know,

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Speaker 1: When did you like, just basketball? Is it? This is

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Speaker 3: And so for me, it was like, uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: And so I really loved the contact and I just

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Speaker 2: And then I just fell in love with it.

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Speaker 1: Who like you one of the best scores ever in

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Speaker 1: the history of the game, Like who taught you? Like

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Speaker 1: like you do everything? Like who gave all that destructions?

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Speaker 3: I think as you You know, when you go like that,

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Speaker 1: Did you always have the form of your everything? You

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Speaker 2: The whole thing.

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Speaker 3: When I used to shoot, I used to shoot on

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Speaker 4: But it would be here, you know, man, and to

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Speaker 3: But you can shoot like that all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: And the history was that during your time at community college,

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Speaker 3: I went there that summer right before the season started,

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Speaker 3: whole time, trying to trying to you know, critique my

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Speaker 2: And so you scored.

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Speaker 4: So you scored one thy twenty three points in two

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Speaker 4: Wow, wait, while he was changing his shot though, I

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Speaker 4: This going in, I don't look as long as it

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Speaker 4: I gave up on that, Like I don't need to

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Speaker 4: getting blocked. Like, how was that frustrating for you? Did

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Speaker 3: My freshman year in junior college, we had a great

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Speaker 2: Me to kind of developed my game.

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Speaker 3: I averaged like ten points my freshman year and our

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Speaker 1: When when you start hearing like I like, I can

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Speaker 1: was that for you? And then why it was? Why was?

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Speaker 1: Why was K State the one out of the ones

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Speaker 3: K State wasn't the school I was going to look.

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Speaker 3: I was looking for, no question about it. I remember

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Speaker 3: Of course, and I goes back to good coaching, you

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Speaker 1: Because more people are strategizing against you. So now you're

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Speaker 4: How long did it take for you once you got

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Speaker 4: Like you know once you get that, when when the

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Speaker 3: I think my junior year because I went from junior

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Speaker 3: Man, it was exciting for me, man, because you know,

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Speaker 1: I came back after the season, because of course we

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00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,760
Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs as the Clippers, but my homeboys

443
00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,439
Speaker 1: out there, and I drove out there to Mobile, you know,

444
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, it's like five houses I heard.

445
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:40,840
Speaker 3: It ain't nothing out there, bro nothing nothing, one grocery store,

446
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 3: one sports show, I mean sports shop.

447
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:45,200
Speaker 2: Nothing nothing.

448
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,200
Speaker 1: Get your work in the draft? Okay, how was your

449
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,439
Speaker 1: workout process? Like, did you have to work out for

450
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of teams? You know, you was a high

451
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 1: pick and all that stuff.

452
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I was. They had me, they had me.

453
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, my projection was between fifteen and twenty five. Yeah,

454
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,400
Speaker 3: between fifteen and twenty five.

455
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,160
Speaker 2: But you guys are young.

456
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 3: Back then, they had the Orlando Classic, and so when

457
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 3: you guys came out, y'all didn't you know, y'all didn't

458
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 3: play against the best players or whatever.

459
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 2: The agent was saying, hey, do this right, right.

460
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,119
Speaker 3: So but in Orlando, all the players that who was

461
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,199
Speaker 3: supposed to be coming in the draft, from one to

462
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 3: whatever had had to play in this in this this tournament.

463
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 3: Y yeah, yeah, they had this tournament and the crazy part.

464
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 2: So they break us all up.

465
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:43,119
Speaker 3: And actually NBA coaches coached us, and Don Nelson was

466
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 3: my coach.

467
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 1: That's what the connection again.

468
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Don Nelson was my coach. Never said anything

469
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 3: to me though, Yeah, never said anything to me exactly.

470
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 2: Didn't want nobody to know. But at that time, you know,

471
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 2: you had to play.

472
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 3: Against the number one, number two, number three, number four

473
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 3: guards that they have in front of you. So everybody

474
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 3: had to play against everyone. And so that's where I

475
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 3: made my mark that I moved up and then I

476
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 3: moved up to be like the number one two guard.

477
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 2: So you went from a projection of fifteen to twenty.

478
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 1: Five cooking you was doing up last?

479
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:22,199
Speaker 2: I had a good tournament.

480
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:24,479
Speaker 1: I had a good tournament.

481
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I probably was averaging about twenty twenty four, twenty two.

482
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 1: They had how many two guards in front of you?

483
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 3: Shoot, they had about five or six in front of me,

484
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 3: about five or six yep.

485
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: Coming to the draft and being picked number five, right, Like,

486
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 1: how was that? How was that?

487
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,199
Speaker 2: To you?

488
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 1: Know? This the NBA draft. You don't watch all these

489
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 1: doctor J's and all these guys doctor J but like, no.

490
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 3: No, no, Doctor J was one of my favorite players.

491
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 3: I wasn't watching basketball back then.

492
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: I was watching the Bird and Magic and all the

493
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 1: guys coming through there for your family, your mom, and

494
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: know the struggle that y'all came out and the road.

495
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 1: Yea four years of juke code come give to more years.

496
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 1: That's six years yeah before you even get to the league.

497
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.

498
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 1: So how was that to just you know, all that

499
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 1: hard work to finally be paid off.

500
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:19,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

501
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 3: It was like a fairy tale, manitarry true because everything

502
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 3: was happening so fast and and it's actually you know,

503
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 3: it was my mom first time actually flying on the plane,

504
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 3: you know, going to the draft, and so to have

505
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 3: her there. I remember, you know we got to the draft.

506
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 3: Was the draft in New York?

507
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, New York? Everybody got New York.

508
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: Where do y'all go?

509
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 3: So oh, sorry for that, Sorry for that, but no,

510
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 3: it was a it was a beautiful time. I remember,

511
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 3: not not not even sleeping, man, just looking by the

512
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,719
Speaker 3: window and seeing so many people walking at night and

513
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 3: just trying to you know, trying to prepare for the draft.

514
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 3: Didn't know where you were gonna go. But yeah, I

515
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 3: worked out with with with a lot of teams. You know,

516
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 3: I worked out.

517
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 4: How crazy was it when you like, when you see,

518
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 4: all right, I'm drafted and now I'm drafted by the

519
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 4: guy that just let me put myself from fifteen to

520
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 4: twenty five like your coach from the litt Orlando Classic Draft?

521
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: What was that like?

522
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: Oh?

523
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,719
Speaker 3: Man, I shook because I thought because Cotton fitz Simmons

524
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 3: actually coached at my junior college and Cotton ffitt Simmons

525
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 3: also coached at Kansas State. So I had went and

526
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 3: worked out for Phoenix, and Phoenix said if I was

527
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 3: going to be around it, I think it was.

528
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: Eight or nine that they were gonna take me.

529
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 3: And so Cotton said to me and he's like, well,

530
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 3: you're not going to be there, but eight or nine

531
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 3: if you if you get to eight or nine, I'm

532
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 3: gonna pick you.

533
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 2: I think it was nine.

534
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: I think Dad Marley went and I was like, what

535
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 3: what do you talk about?

536
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I'm like, okay, all right whatever.

537
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 3: But so when just going to the draft, man, and

538
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 3: that that experience, man was it was just exciting.

539
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 2: It was unreal. You know, you didn't know.

540
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 3: What the emotions that you was going through, just even

541
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: just leading up to that just think everything was just

542
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: happening so fast, man. And not only that, when I

543
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 3: got drafted, we didn't go to the team right away

544
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 3: because we were we I had to play in the

545
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 3: Olympics at nineteen eighty eight, so we went straight to

546
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: the Olympics. So we get drafted and go to the

547
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 3: Olympics right away, so we didn't go try a team.

548
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: So how was the Olympics experience? Like you, David Robinson,

549
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: all the guys like, how was that? The first after

550
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: the draft? You you own it and you just seeing

551
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,239
Speaker 1: all this talent right like, oh, I'm one of the

552
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: best of the best, but yeah I get that. I

553
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: go number five. And now with the USA say, I

554
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: know you like.

555
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I made that process was even crazier

556
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: because it was like one hundred and sixteen players trying

557
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 3: out for you know, fourteen spots, and we used to

558
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 3: we went to Colorado Springs, Colorado.

559
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: Springs on that camp.

560
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: Hell, and I think my number was like one sixteen,

561
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 3: you know, man, with so many people and uh and

562
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: just to kind of you know, get it down to

563
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: twenty and then have an opportunity to play in the Olympics. Man,

564
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm telling you man, it was it was

565
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: going so fast. I couldn't I just couldn't believe that

566
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 3: I was coming from a kid from Fort La Florida.

567
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 3: Then five years on in the Olympics, you know what

568
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 3: I mean. So it was everything was happening so fast.

569
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: Man, the process over there, that time over there, y'all want,

570
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: y'all want the bronze? How was How was that?

571
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 2: That was?

572
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 3: To experience that playing for the USA team and losing,

573
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 3: losing the Olympics. You know, that was the last college team,

574
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So at that time, you know,

575
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 3: and you know now over and overseas, these guys played

576
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: since they were twelve years old, and they're actually not

577
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: they're ready, you know what I mean.

578
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: So even then they.

579
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: Were pros and we wasn't ready for their physicality at

580
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 3: that time, you know. We it was a different game,

581
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: and so so it was a it was a learning experience,

582
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 3: no question about it.

583
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: You know.

584
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 3: That's when we was going up against the Bonus Shrooners,

585
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 3: Marshalonis and Vox had yeah, d Vak had it called

586
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 3: Kukos was only like fifteen and I was coming, uh

587
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: but but he was good. But we had John Thompson

588
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 3: who was coaching us, and so John Thompson man like

589
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 3: was militant bro like.

590
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: Then yeah, I was mad. He was driving us crazy.

591
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 2: He was driving us crazy.

592
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was That was a tough time because

593
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 3: when we lost coming back from the plane, man, we

594
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 3: didn't know what to expect because we you know, for USA.

595
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: We lose.

596
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: It was the first one lose. It was like, oh

597
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: my god, what's going to happen?

598
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 4: So how was it for you to be like, you say,

599
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 4: that's the last college team and then you hear now

600
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 4: they come and listing the big Gun. Oh my god,

601
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 4: yeah you see dream Team? Brow Like, how was that

602
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 4: for you to see that? Then for you to be

603
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 4: part of dream Team.

604
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 3: To Yeah, I never thought I'd get another opportunity, no

605
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 3: question about it. Never thought I'd get another opportunity. And

606
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 3: then seeing one of my teammates, David Robinson have an

607
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 3: opportunity to kind of redeem himself and go back and

608
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: get the ring, and I'm like, man, I hope I

609
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 3: get an opportunity to go back, but never did. And

610
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 3: then ninety six came and they called me and said

611
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 3: that I have an opportunity.

612
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: I think at that time they had Glenn Robinson.

613
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: Well, they had Glenn Robinson and something had happened, and

614
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 3: so they was looking for other guys at that particular time.

615
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: And then I had an opportunity.

616
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: Man.

617
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: They called me and said that I made the ninety sixteen.

618
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 3: You've seen that roster right, Oh, yes, you see that roster.

619
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: Oh I got these. I got to hit us now, bro,

620
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: come on, man, we're gonna win on stay hon come on, man,

621
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: But playing with those guys and actually battle with them

622
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 3: throughout my whole career, uh, and have an opportunity man

623
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 3: to join them and and and play for your country

624
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 3: at that particular time, man wearing the USA jersey. Man

625
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 3: ain't no better feeling. And to call a dream team,

626
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: no question about it.

627
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: So so let me ask you this.

628
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 4: A couple of your teammates, you know, your Dream Team

629
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 4: two teammates on here.

630
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: D C was real loud.

631
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 4: And and and boisterous about the fact that he feels

632
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 4: like Dream Team two with slap Dream Team one up. Well,

633
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 4: do you think Dream Team two just gonna come through

634
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 4: and slap Dream Team one up?

635
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 3: I don't know if we'll slap him up, but we'll

636
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 3: definitely win some games.

637
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean you ain't cool, man. We're gonna win

638
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: some games.

639
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: Y'all beat Dream Team one.

640
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: It will get them, no question about it. We'll get

641
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 2: Dream Team one.

642
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: Why not? Why not? You?

643
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: That's right? Why not? He'll hear so now you here?

644
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: And and Don Nelson is one of them coaches, Like

645
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: I love Don Nelson because his fast paced. He the

646
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: one kind of started this stuff. Let's run, let's go

647
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: right at all times. Like y'all know it was the

648
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: showtime Lakers, but they was there was a little you

649
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: know that was magic don Nellson. Every team everything I

650
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: want to go in. I want to shoot up the place, right,

651
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: don Elsa's seen you in the in the pre draft thing.

652
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: So it's like did he soon as he got you

653
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: with the team, he instantly knew where he wanted to

654
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: put you at and what he wanted you to do.

655
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: And you understood that that's why you had success so early.

656
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know how it is, man, You got to

657
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: go to the right place that's really gonna fit your game.

658
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 3: And not saying that you can't play, but if you

659
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: go to the right system early, that's where you can

660
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: have a lot of success. And with Don's system, you know,

661
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: he wanted to play a fast pace.

662
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: For he gives.

663
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: Everybody on his team opportunities to take shots. So you know,

664
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: when it was one star, one Star was only taking

665
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: twenty shots and then other.

666
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: Guys were taking five. But we all average like eighteen

667
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: shots a game.

668
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 3: And the only way you're going to be able to

669
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: do that is you have to play a fast pace

670
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: and get more opportunities at the basket. And so, yeah,

671
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 3: don Nelson was a He was a genius at that

672
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: man and how he did it, and so every practices

673
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 3: will he would run us in practice, but he was

674
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: run He would run us with the ball. So it

675
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 3: made it exciting. We was, you know, we were That's

676
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: how you can keep them. You know, everybody is intuitive,

677
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: everybody is in on it. Everybody wants to practice, everybody

678
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: wants to compete. And so what we were doing, he

679
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: was running us with the ball instead of just taking

680
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: the ball on the side. And we're doing line who

681
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: wants to do that? You know to me, but actually

682
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: playing and really kind of knowing your teammates. And one thing,

683
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: the one thing he really did with us is that

684
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: we would do it about twenty minutes after each practice,

685
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: where each guy would play each other's position. So the

686
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: center will play the point, I would play the four,

687
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 3: Chris go down and play the two or whatever. We

688
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: would play each other's other people's positions, and then we

689
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: had to know the player what the other guy needed

690
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: to do right, and then we'll have test. He'll he'll

691
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: test us and if we don't, you know, and see

692
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: if you can get your you know, see if you

693
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 3: can know what the other player is doing like that

694
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: and still test you on your plays. So, yeah, it

695
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: was it was good information of how he coached the

696
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: guys because then we knew where everybody needed to be

697
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: because he said, if any time that we're coming down

698
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: the court and you're in the wrong position, you can

699
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: play that guy's spot, you play my spot, and then

700
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: we just you know, run, you know, just run like.

701
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: That run TMC. Everybody want a nickname, you part of

702
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: a group? Nickname? Like it was one of the dopest

703
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: nicknames ever. Like when y'all started clicking and you seeing

704
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, this shot Town, this Florida, this New York,

705
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: like what about each other's game? When y'all was like, yeah,

706
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: we can kind of we can kind of run it

707
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: up like like run it up. They can't do nothing

708
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: on the perimeter, like they're gonna have to face somebody

709
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: when like like when was that when y'all kind of

710
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: got in practice, or whenever y'all seen each other? Like, yeah,

711
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: I like the combination of this.

712
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: When I when I first got there, Chris was there,

713
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: and Chris was, you know, going through his situation, what

714
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: he was going through, so he was really coming back

715
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: in better shape and ready to perform, and so I

716
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: didn't know any of that, but I just saw a

717
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: guy that really kind of works his butt off. And

718
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: so when me and Chris got there, we kind of

719
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: hit it off right away. And so Tim came right after,

720
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: you know, your Chicago Chicago boy, you.

721
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

722
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: And he came with he came with the attitude, you

723
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: know what I mean. He came with the attitude, he

724
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: came with the talk. And I can remember my when

725
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: the second year and you know, he struggled the first

726
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 3: year and just like you were saying, don Nelson tried

727
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: to change the shot, you know, he tried to change

728
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: the shot. He kept working on the kept working on it.

729
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,239
Speaker 3: He's like, man, forget it, it's going in. Just let

730
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: him do his own thing, you know what I mean.

731
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: And so when but when Chris came, I mean, when

732
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: Tim came with the attitude, we knew that Tim can

733
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: get his shot any time he wanted, right, And so

734
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: I mean, don Nelson said, listen, this is what we're

735
00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: gonna do.

736
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: Tim is going to be the quarterback.

737
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: Anytime he gets to anytime anybody gets to the rebound,

738
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 3: just stow it to Tim. And I want everybody to run,

739
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: Just run to your spots. And so when we figured

740
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: that out, we knew we had to get down there

741
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: because Tim was faster than anybody, you know what I mean.

742
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: So you had to run, and you had to run

743
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: with him because if you didn't, he was gonna shoot him.

744
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: All.

745
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: So we had a I mean, we had at a

746
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: great way about us that we work well together. And

747
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: then don Nelson, we were He would come in the

748
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: game sometimes because we that's all we did is practice motion.

749
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: So he would come in before a game and we

750
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: would look at film and all that whatever, and he'll say,

751
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: we're not running any plays tonight.

752
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: We're just running motion.

753
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: And if you don't share it, then that's when I'm

754
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: gonna start taking over.

755
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: But if you share it, take care of it. Y'all

756
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: can have a good time.

757
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: We're good, he said, I'm only gonna call plays because

758
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 3: the motion is a play. And that's what Golden State

759
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: is doing.

760
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: Now.

761
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: People don't understand. You can't scout it.

762
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: You can't really scout it because if you continue to

763
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: keep moving, that's what's early office, man, that's it. Just

764
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 3: keep it moving right, and you keep Draymond Green at

765
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: top and you see Draymond Hey, no, you ain't open cut.

766
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: Cut through, just cut through and go to right.

767
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: You and you gotta be smart because you got to

768
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: balance that because you can't have four guys on one

769
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 3: side and then one guy's on the other.

770
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: So you always got to continue to keep moving.

771
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: How did it feel for you in that first year

772
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 4: you get in there, you play seventy seven games, start

773
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 4: seventy seven that's like, you know, huge, durable for a rookie,

774
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 4: and you get Rookie of the Year, Like, how fulfilling

775
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 4: is that?

776
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: Man? Man?

777
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: It was a fun time, bro Like, uh, I mean,

778
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 3: I was just enjoying the opportunity.

779
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: I was enjoying the city.

780
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: I mean it was a Golden State was actually it

781
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: was like a college town for us, you know what

782
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 3: I mean, especially and how we matched off the court.

783
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: We did everything off the court together. When we were

784
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 3: on the road, we went to eat together, we did

785
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: a lot of things together.

786
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: So it was a college atmosphere.

787
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: And so when that when that happened, man, great things

788
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: happened on the court.

789
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: And that's what happened when they.

790
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: Broke it up. Was you said they broke it up?

791
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: It's too quick? Was I sad? I cried like a baby.

792
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 3: Man, No, I cried like a baby, no question about it.

793
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 3: And being so young, I didn't really know the rules.

794
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 3: So when I got traded, I remember calling my agent

795
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: and said, is it any way that I can retire

796
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: and come back to another team? It's like, nah, you

797
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: can't do that. You can't do that. And I'm like, man,

798
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 3: I definitely didn't want to go to Sacramento because we

799
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: had something special at the time. And just getting traded, man,

800
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: and going down there were a team and not saying

801
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 3: that the players wasn't good, but they were just young,

802
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and in the organization needed

803
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: a lot of help. A lot of things needed to

804
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 3: change for that organization to get right.

805
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: So it was so far behind.

806
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 3: You know what I mean that that it wasn't up

807
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: to par of what I had just left. So it

808
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: was very difficult, man, and and hard to really get

809
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: up each and every morning man and put on that

810
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 3: uniform when you know that you just played for something

811
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: special right down the street. You know it's only an

812
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: hour a way. Yeah, you know what I mean.

813
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: So that was very hard.

814
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: You get the Sacramento seventh straight season leading score, Like,

815
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: is that when you feel like I become a man

816
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: of my own, Like like this ain't a This ain't

817
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: me Tim and Chris. It's like I still got to

818
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: be me in this big old league that we're playing in.

819
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: You got you got Clyde, you got Jordan's, you got

820
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: all these other guys like, and you feel like that's

821
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: the reason you being a man. You know, that's the

822
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 1: reason that you was named the Dream Team too, because

823
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: they recognized, yeah, she was capable.

824
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what I and I can remember for

825
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: that time because it was it was difficult, man, like

826
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: like leaving those guys, man, because we had such a

827
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: good chemistry and to leave them and go right down

828
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: the street. And but I knew that I had to

829
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: still stay consistent because I really wanted to be the

830
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 3: best I possibly could, and I wanted to show them

831
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: that I still can play, you know what I mean,

832
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: even though if it's down the street. But it's a difference, man,

833
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: when you when you're playing and you're getting double team

834
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: each and every night, you know, it's a it's a

835
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: whole lot different man.

836
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: It's a strategy, it's a whole lot of work.

837
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: Man, let's get the jump exactly exactly. So that was

838
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 3: something that you you know, I had to to experience.

839
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: And that's why you know, I say that Golden State

840
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: was probably the best place at that time because you

841
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: didn't know who the devil at the time. You know,

842
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: if you're going to double tim you had me and

843
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 3: you had at Chris in Sacramento. It was young guys

844
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: at that time, and so we were still trying to

845
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 3: learn each other. But yeah, my thing was, Man, it

846
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: was tough, but I had to still get up each

847
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 3: and every morning, man, and put on that jersey because

848
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: it was still I had to really kind of look

849
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 3: look in the mirror, say I'm still playing the game

850
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: of basketball. I'm still loving the thing. I'm still playing

851
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: the thing that I really and truly loved. Yeah, some

852
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: difficult times and it was some great I mean, it

853
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: was some bad, difficult times, but I still got to

854
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 3: be consistent and I think that's what kind of kept

855
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 3: me up each and every night, to be consistent as possible.

856
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: When you made your first All Star game, they named

857
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: you to the All Star Game, how did you feel

858
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: and how where you was at when you receive it?

859
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: Man, it was bittersweet because my first All Star game,

860
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: they announced it. They had told me that the game before,

861
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: so they announced it right before the game, and then

862
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 3: I broke it. I broke I broke my thumb, and

863
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 3: so I didn't be I wasn't able to play in

864
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: the All Star Game, so I had to I had

865
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: to miss it.

866
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

867
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, how was that the first year though? Because like,

868
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 4: even though you didn't get to play, like you was

869
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 4: like the first Sacramento King to be an All Star,

870
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 4: Like really I don't even know how long, but.

871
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: Like it was a while.

872
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think I felt I should have been

873
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: even when I was at Golden State at the time,

874
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: and but I didn't make it.

875
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: So when I made it, no, it.

876
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 3: Was it was definitely a beautiful feeling, man, Because you

877
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 3: work so hard to be the best you can and

878
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: then now you're being recognized as one of those players.

879
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: Man, yeah, one of those peers.

880
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: And still and and and being recognized is when a

881
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: team is not doing so well. Uh, that was more

882
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: more special than anything. And so when that happened, man, no, man,

883
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 3: I was ecstatic. My family was ecstatic. I still went

884
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 3: down there. I'm like, man, I'm gonna sit on the bench.

885
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: I'm taking in everything. So I took all my family

886
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: went down there and had a good time and enjoyed it.

887
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: Like I was playing when you want when you want

888
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: all Star in VP? What's that like? Like the stars

889
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: Stars and you couldn't miss. I couldn't miss. I couldn't miss.

890
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: I was feeling good.

891
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if I had an entertainer rate that night,

892
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: I don't know, but.

893
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: You yeah, but I know I had. I had a

894
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 3: great time. Man, I'm no that game was. That game

895
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 3: was special. I still can remember it like it was day.

896
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: You know.

897
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: I was.

898
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 4: I couldn't miss, man, I was. I was making some

899
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 4: good shots. How much pride did you take? Like or

900
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 4: can you talk about it? Because I mean, obviously even

901
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 4: more so than than our era, I feel like y'all.

902
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: Like you you look at it's like played.

903
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 4: All eighty games, eighty one games, eighty two games, seventy

904
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 4: seven games. So you know, like talk about the pride

905
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 4: you guys took and being available and going out there

906
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 4: and playing and performing on a nightly basis.

907
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: It was fun, man, it was. It was fun each

908
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 3: and every night. The physicality was fun, the matchup was fun.

909
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: Uh.

910
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: And I think I took pride in to really kind

911
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: of studying every guy because all these guys, you know,

912
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: that I was playing with, and you know, everyone can score,

913
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And if you don't take

914
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 3: pride in to really kind of, you know, learn the

915
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: guy's game that you're gonna go up against, and then

916
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: you're gonna be he gonna get you're gonna get cooked.

917
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 2: Even just like Michael.

918
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: Michael, you know, I had to study his game when

919
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 3: I had to play that. I would watch two or

920
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 3: three games before I played and the last two games

921
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: that he played, just to kind of see what he

922
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: does because he.

923
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: Can do everything.

924
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: Uh.

925
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: And but the one thing about it is that you

926
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 3: have to make sure that he have tough nights and

927
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 3: he's gonna and the one thing he's gonna make.

928
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: You work hard, So why not make him work hard?

929
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: And that's how I took the approach every guy went

930
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 3: went up against is that maybe you're not gonna stop him,

931
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 3: but you're definitely gonna make him have some tough nights.

932
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 4: How did they feel, few like for Mike to be

933
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 4: you know, Mike to go for him, for you to

934
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 4: hear like him have the respect he had for you

935
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 4: and his matchups with you was some of the hardest.

936
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 4: And you know, how does that feel to know that

937
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 4: you went out there and you because I can remember,

938
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 4: I can remember you giving him Jason Buckets that when

939
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 4: I'm homegrown Chicago w G in every game that MS.

940
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: Squalled like like what's happened? Like? Like what is that?

941
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: Like?

942
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 4: How did that feel to be able to look back

943
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 4: on it and you know, somebody who's respecting with the

944
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 4: grades and like.

945
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: You had some favorable matchups against him.

946
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I'm you know, I appreciate it, man, because

947
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 3: I know that I took to pride and trying to

948
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 3: guard him, and and the one thing about it, I

949
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: know that he was going to take pride and trying

950
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 3: to guard me. The one thing I like about Mike

951
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: and That's why I like about a lot of a

952
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: lot of players. If you know, you can score the basketball,

953
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: but but taking pride and trying to stop the other guy. Man,

954
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: that's I mean, that's everything. That's the ultimate, that's the yeah,

955
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: that's off of the competition.

956
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: So he knew.

957
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: I think Michael knew that I was going to give him.

958
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: I was gonna play tough on the defensive end, and

959
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 3: I was gonna go at him on the offensive end,

960
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: and I knew he was going to do the same.

961
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 2: And yeah, definitely we were different.

962
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 3: Players and how he played and he was cat quick,

963
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 3: had different things, but you had to find ways to

964
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 3: uh to use your your attributes that you have against him.

965
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 3: At that time with Michael, I tried to be physical

966
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 3: with him, and then all of a sudden, you remember,

967
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 3: Michael started lifting ways. You started lifting ways and getting

968
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 3: bigger than all of a sudden, he started going on

969
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 3: the post a little more. And so those are the

970
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: things that I think, you know, he just evolved his game,

971
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: even though that he was one of the best in

972
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: the game, but he evolved, and you got to continue

973
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: to keep moving that way.

974
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: All them years. With secondmental you get traded for Chris Webber,

975
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: But you didn't give you didn't play a lot with

976
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: your wizard, right, How was this stunt when when you

977
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: decided to come to LA and be a part of

978
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: what Shaq and Kobe just seeing these young guys as

979
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: you being a veteran seeing these young guys, You've seen

980
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: us young guys come in the league definitely too. But

981
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: how was that to win that championship within and just

982
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, be there and be be the veteran leadership

983
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 1: that all teams need even to this day, they should

984
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: have a veteran or two on the team and just

985
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: give it that.

986
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I had to.

987
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: I think I had to dig deep in and uh

988
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: go back to the guys that played behind me. You know,

989
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 3: I had Dennis Hobbinson. I had a lot of guys

990
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: that played behind me and they cheered me on, you

991
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And this is a time now

992
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 3: where my kind of my time is my time has

993
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: passed by, you know, and I'm I'm I want a ring,

994
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I had a couple of

995
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 3: other teams San Antonio, Dallas, other couple of teams that

996
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 3: was interested me in that time.

997
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, I'm gonna go with the Lakers,

998
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

999
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: I want to be able to you know, the tough

1000
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: you know, the tough career that I had. I want

1001
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 3: to be able to see if I can get a

1002
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 3: ring and then and support and help a team get

1003
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 3: a ring. So when I got to when I got

1004
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: to to LA, I really had to kind of like

1005
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 3: take a step back and realize that I've done some

1006
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: wonderful things in this league, and now I had.

1007
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: To be a great teammate, you know what I mean.

1008
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: And so I had to sit back and really kind

1009
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 3: of cheer the team on, knowing that I wasn't playing

1010
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: as much because it was guys behind me at that time,

1011
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 3: wasn't playing as much and.

1012
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: They was giving me all the love and all of that.

1013
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 3: So I had to just take a step back and

1014
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 3: realize that.

1015
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: And then I got my ring with them.

1016
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: To see a young Kobe and Shaq, like you know,

1017
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: they like the new generation. You know you've seen you've

1018
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: seen all the nineties, You've seen all the top powerfuls

1019
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: and senters. To see you've seen Shack in the nineties,

1020
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: but see what he involved, yes, yes, And to see

1021
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: young Kobe. I think the year that y'all wanted that

1022
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: I played in New Jersey, like just to see a

1023
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: young Kobe and a young Shaq like what they was like,

1024
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, the little bickering that they do. But on

1025
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: the court, how dominant, Yes they were too. How was that? No?

1026
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 3: It was it was fun to watch every night, man,

1027
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: I see it up close and and the and and

1028
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 3: just like I said, we all go back to what

1029
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 3: the time that you put in to be a good,

1030
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: good player. Kobe did all of that, you know what

1031
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: I mean. He was the first one that practice. You know,

1032
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 3: he was the one that was doing his thing. He

1033
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 3: was he was working on his game, and he would

1034
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 3: play a guy, a guy would put a put a

1035
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: move on him. He would come back the next day

1036
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: trying to you know, master that.

1037
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 2: Move, you know what I mean.

1038
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: So he was always, you know, in the office, man,

1039
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: trying to work on his game.

1040
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: And that's what he was doing.

1041
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 3: And you can tell that he was gonna he was

1042
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 3: gonna succeed what all the expectations.

1043
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: Choice, It was no other choice because he wanted it

1044
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: so bad, you know what I mean. And that's all.

1045
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 3: And he was a guy at that time was eating

1046
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 3: sleeping basketball. It was nothing else important to him, but that.

1047
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 1: You know, who did you like mimic your game? Who's

1048
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: some of the guys that you just love coming up

1049
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: that you've seen You got to was like, Man, I

1050
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: like that. I want to I want to be something

1051
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: like that.

1052
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 3: Man, that's interesting because I loved Doctor J at the time,

1053
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 3: but my game wasn't like Doctor J. You know, even

1054
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 3: when I was in junior college, I was watching Michael

1055
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 3: at the time he was at North Carolina. Man, I

1056
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: could really say, because I think my game just involved

1057
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 3: because I was always an inside player trying to dunk everything,

1058
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: and then just seeing the guys that you have to

1059
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: evolve or the guys that can really shoot the ball,

1060
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: even like Chris Smulling.

1061
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: Some of those guys.

1062
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 3: They helped me develop my outside game because I realized

1063
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 3: that they I can remember they start calling me the Rock.

1064
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: That's why I got my nickname of Rock. And they

1065
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 3: told me. I remember, Rod Higgins told me say, hey, man,

1066
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to start shooting some jumpers. Bro, you

1067
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: ain't gonna last five years in the league.

1068
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 2: They're gonna beat you up.

1069
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 3: So I started like training with Chris and Chris and

1070
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: Rod and we just start man shooting five hundred and

1071
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: six hundred shots tonight and just getting my shot ready

1072
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 3: and working on that. And then that's when I developed

1073
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: my long range game. With all the other dues, with

1074
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: the fundamental I believe in.

1075
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: I believe in, you could change your shot and a

1076
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: better shoot too, no question, shot a better shoot.

1077
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: Yeah you put the time in at that time.

1078
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am a better shooting than whatever.

1079
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: You're a better shooting where you were here now.

1080
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: Or no, I'm talking when I got to Portland, I

1081
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: was away better shooter because I worked on my my shot,

1082
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: changed my talk. Why is he doing all that? Because

1083
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: you know it's my oldest boy, you.

1084
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 4: Know time like we've done this a lot of time

1085
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 4: on this show. Okay, he's known for defense and dunks.

1086
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: I just dunk.

1087
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 4: You ain't never heard nobody talking about yeah, d man,

1088
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 4: shoot that jump. I used to shoot off the backboy

1089
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 4: and ain't nobody said you ain't never to hear the

1090
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 4: bank shot.

1091
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: I just said that you and you is known for

1092
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: defense and dump.

1093
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: I used to shoot off the back boy in Portland.

1094
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 4: Again, I didn't say, you know here the bank shot.

1095
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 4: His man just said he improved it.

1096
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: Jumps out at some point like are you a better

1097
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: shooting now?

1098
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm definitely a better shooting now. It's like an

1099
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: old school car. It take a minute, the warm up,

1100
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: taking warm up.

1101
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 2: It's a round, you know, the herd shot. You spoke up.

1102
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: That's how you asked him his form.

1103
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 1: My farm is this? It's in the front now.

1104
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: Oh it's in the front.

1105
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it used to be this. I remember to the

1106
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 1: side like it was side.

1107
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: I remember that right before Portland.

1108
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: Can worked on that muscle memory and got it all

1109
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: onto the front, had the elbow point at the rim.

1110
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let him have improve his shot to America,

1111
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 4: the world he improved his shot.

1112
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: You you was a good shooter.

1113
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, j Yeah, that's about it.

1114
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 4: You know you had a great career. You come from

1115
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 4: humble again as much like the two of us, a

1116
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 4: lot of full lot of the Florida. This ain't about

1117
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 4: what you did for Pops, to mom and brothers and

1118
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 4: all that. This is about when the rock took care

1119
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 4: of Okay, when you went out there and you got

1120
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 4: that bag, you say, you know what I deserve that

1121
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,919
Speaker 4: you might now your mature age, look back and say

1122
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 4: you was dumb as hell.

1123
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: But in that moment, this was everything it was supposed

1124
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: to be.

1125
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 4: What did the Rock do when he got to a

1126
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 4: point where you felt like you had enough collateral back there,

1127
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 4: you go do something strange?

1128
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 2: Ship?

1129
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 3: Man, damn excuse me, man, Man, I don't even know

1130
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 3: tell you the truth.

1131
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 2: What did I do?

1132
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean every summer, I don't know, but

1133
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 3: every summer I would take all my boys and we

1134
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 3: would go to you know, the Hawaii, you know, Dominican Republic,

1135
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 3: my fellas, Man, we would go out and have a

1136
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: good car.

1137
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we go, we go, we go, ball right, we go,

1138
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 2: ball out.

1139
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: We eating, we all eating.

1140
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 3: Hello, that's that's a bill. That's a bill. And that's

1141
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 3: out of state. Come on, that's out of state. That's

1142
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 3: that's airplane tickets.

1143
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: Come on, man, Yeah, that's.

1144
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: Out of all teams you played for, if you was

1145
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: able to pick four other players to fill your roster

1146
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: to play with, man, out of all the teammates you had,

1147
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: who would be them? Four other players?

1148
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 2: And they have to be my teammates?

1149
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to play with I have to play

1150
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: with them.

1151
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 3: Okay, man, Okay, I'm definitely gonna say to run TMC homie.

1152
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. And then I'm gonna

1153
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: have to.

1154
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 3: Put Shack in there, no question about it, you know

1155
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 3: what I mean. And then I gotta put Kobe in there. Yeah, yeah,

1156
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 3: we're going that's a crazy line. You got the big

1157
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 3: fella in there, no question. I got to talk to

1158
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 3: all the guys that I play with.

1159
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: Now, I will pick you.

1160
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 3: I will pick you too, Okay, but he's just said five,

1161
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: all right, I'll pick you too.

1162
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, of the girl I talked to you played with?

1163
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: Start bench trade, Start bench trade? Oh man, start bench trade.

1164
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: Come on, man, y'all come up with crazy Ray Allen,

1165
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller and oh let's see Ray Allen, Reggie Miller

1166
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 1: and James Harden. Who would you start? Who's your bench?

1167
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: Who used you cut?

1168
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 2: Man? Come on, mate, I love all three of you guys.

1169
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: Man, stop seventy fives right there.

1170
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: And I love all three of you guys.

1171
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 3: I should be said about all right, but yeah, yeah,

1172
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 3: I feel that way, no question, uh, and not saying

1173
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 3: nothing about the seventy five that.

1174
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 2: They all we never do well, okay, So man, man,

1175
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 2: that's so tough.

1176
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: Man.

1177
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: I love all those guys. Man, Yeah, Reggie, I might

1178
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: start Reggie.

1179
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: Okay, I might start Reggie.

1180
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 2: Man, I don't.

1181
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: Jesus off the bench or James off the bench? You said,

1182
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: or start start bench cut I mean star bech trade.

1183
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Oh I got a trade. I got a

1184
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: trade one, Reggie. That's three three two guards, so you

1185
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: got trade one to keep two mm hm damn. Man,

1186
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: I want to come off the bench one start.

1187
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 3: And the only reason I'm saying that because there's certain

1188
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 3: players that you gotta play with, right, So I'll say,

1189
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 3: I say start Reggie, I say I bring it Ray

1190
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: out the bench, Jesus, and then I would have to

1191
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 3: trade James to get me something else, give me a

1192
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 3: center or something else, because he's gonna keep that value

1193
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 3: that I need to.

1194
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: You need to get that, you know what I mean.

1195
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I do that now saying he's a

1196
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: bad guy, just saying, you know, I gotta get something

1197
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 3: else with it.

1198
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: How was it where did you keep your gotta tell

1199
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: us where do you keep your ring?

1200
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: Right?

1201
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: But how was it to just actually have an NBA

1202
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: ring and to.

1203
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 4: Ring when first when you look like actually gap the

1204
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 4: next year the following year.

1205
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 3: Man ah, come on, man, that's everything. I mean, I

1206
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 3: think that's that's what you play for. I think people

1207
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 3: don't understand that. Uh, every guy in the league wants

1208
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 3: a ring, and the things that has to happen, it's

1209
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 3: so monumental, Like, you know, you have to have good coaching,

1210
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 3: you have to you have to have some some.

1211
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: Luck, you know what I mean.

1212
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 3: And uh, and you have to stay healthy, you know

1213
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 3: what I mean. So, and you have to have a

1214
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: combination of playing, uh like a unit with whatever team

1215
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 3: that whatever. Guys, that is every guy in the league.

1216
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: Trying to make it to the league.

1217
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 3: Nobody wants to be a loser, you know what I mean,

1218
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: So every guy is trying to play. So to get

1219
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 3: to that, I think that was the next step we

1220
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 3: all do when we get in the league.

1221
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 2: We all want to ring. We all want to get

1222
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: the accolades.

1223
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 3: But the thing that we're searching for and the thing

1224
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 3: that we're trying to get is the ring. So getting

1225
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 3: that was like it was heaven, you know what I mean.

1226
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 3: It was heaven, and it was only one more step left,

1227
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But but getting that ring

1228
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 3: at that particular time and and leaving the game, I

1229
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 3: think I felt like I had accomplished everything I did

1230
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: in the game.

1231
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: So it was that time.

1232
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 4: Where were you when you when you got the news

1233
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 4: that you know, the Sacramento was going to tire your

1234
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 4: jersey because like you know, like fuzz Ball is like

1235
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 4: that's like the Holy Girl. That's like that's like Christening.

1236
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 4: Like you like you could do a lot of things,

1237
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 4: get an m v P winning world, but like when

1238
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 4: they immortalize you like that and put to jersey, like

1239
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 4: what was that?

1240
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: What was that? It was a wonderful feeling, man, Like

1241
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: you know.

1242
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 3: I had place that you necessarily didn't want to go on,

1243
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: a place that I necessary didn't want to go. But

1244
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: but having the ability to the body of work that

1245
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 3: I did it and to be and have that acknowledge.

1246
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: And and you've played against the I mean you've seen

1247
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: the Sacramento fans, man, they are they are the best.

1248
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: I mean like, yeah, we we had.

1249
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 3: Some some tough times in Sacramento, but they showed up

1250
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 3: each and every night and that gave me energy anytime

1251
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: to go out and just trying to give you all,

1252
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 3: you know. So so the fans of Sacramento is is

1253
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 3: second to none, no question about it.

1254
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 2: But getting your jersey retired, Man.

1255
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 3: When when I look now and I watched some of

1256
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 3: the Sacramento games. I'm trying to pin up to the

1257
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 3: sky so I can see, so I can see my jersey.

1258
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 3: So no, man, it's a it's a wonderful feeling, no

1259
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 3: question about it. Always going to be remembered. And I

1260
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 3: still look at those pictures, no question.

1261
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: Now you're facing gold the Hall of Fame, right, I

1262
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: know that's the all type like man, like now you

1263
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,919
Speaker 1: in the room, not you just walked in the room

1264
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: with the grace. Now like how is that to be?

1265
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: Like see your face in gold and be part of

1266
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame? And it's just the whole journey

1267
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: when you heard it, did all of it just come back?

1268
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: Everything came back, But everything came back.

1269
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 3: And then having that ability to you know, or having

1270
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 3: heard that that you're a hall of famer.

1271
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's all Barbershot talked. You know what

1272
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: I mean?

1273
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 3: You know when guys talking about man is man. Man,

1274
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 3: I don't care what y'all say. Now, nothing to respect

1275
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 3: you gotta respect is away. Can't take it away, you

1276
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 3: know you can. You can. You can number me from

1277
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 3: who is best and who whatever. But I'm a Hall

1278
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 3: of Fame so it doesn't matter what that is. So

1279
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 3: when that feeling came, and it was I remember I

1280
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 3: was in Chicago and I got the call and they

1281
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 3: told me that I had made it the first I

1282
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 3: mean the first year I didn't make it.

1283
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: Uh.

1284
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 3: And then so when you missed that first ballot, you

1285
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 3: don't never know when that next time is gonna come

1286
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 3: because there's so many great players that is coming behind you,

1287
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 3: so you never know what's gonna happen up and then

1288
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 3: and then I got the call. I remember, I was

1289
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 3: in Chicago in the meeting and I had to get

1290
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 3: pulled out of the meeting to take a call because

1291
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 3: you know, they tell you that you're going to get

1292
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 3: that call, and when they say NBA on it, you

1293
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 3: better better, you know what I mean. So when I

1294
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 3: got that call, man, it was exciting. I was in

1295
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 3: your hometown, man, I was in Chicago, shot town. So

1296
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 3: I got the call and and man, it was I

1297
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 3: don't know, man, I enjoyed myself that night, enjoyed myself

1298
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 3: that month, I think, just and just like exactly what

1299
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 3: Tim is doing right now. So Tim Hardaway, Man, well, man,

1300
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 3: it's been a long time. I told him that I

1301
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 3: would I would not go back to the Hall of

1302
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: Fame festivities until he gets there. And so, uh, he's

1303
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 3: there now and we're gonna have a good time this summer.

1304
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a time I was there for your family.

1305
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, for your family, because, like you know,

1306
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: we when you play this game and you give all.

1307
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: This to the game, you miss a lot. You miss

1308
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 2: a lot, bro, you miss a lot.

1309
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: Yes, you miss Christmas everything, some birthdays. That's sometimes your

1310
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: own birthday.

1311
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 2: You know that's true. That's true.

1312
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: You give a lot to it. But it's all because

1313
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: of this, yes, me becoming this for your family, to

1314
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Speaker 1: get the opportunity to see that. How was that for

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Speaker 1: your family? Man?

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Speaker 2: It was? It was I think it was.

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Speaker 3: It was great to actually have them experience that and

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Speaker 3: have them go into the halls of the Hall of

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Speaker 3: Fame and.

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Speaker 2: See all the great players that have played.

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00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 3: And I always tell people, it's so many other great

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00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 3: players that never get to the Hall of Fame and

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00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 3: that we don't really and truly acknowledge because they didn't

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00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 3: get a ring, you know what I mean, they didn't do.

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Speaker 2: You guys are great players.

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Speaker 3: Nobody really acknowledge you. You have to be at the

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Speaker 3: top of the top for you to even get recognized.

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00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 3: I'm still a Hall of Famer. I still don't get

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Speaker 3: the recognition that you know, everybody, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So I tell people, it's all it's so many great

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Speaker 3: players that played the game, and I like to give,

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Speaker 3: you know, respect to all the guys that I went

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Speaker 3: up against because it's made me who I was. It

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Speaker 3: made me kind of grind and and try to be

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Speaker 3: the best. And but getting the Hall of Fame and

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01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 3: especially having the team troubles that I did when I

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Speaker 3: was playing, that means everything, because that means that my peers,

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01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 3: you know, kind of seeing what I've done and you know,

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Speaker 3: and respect what I did and how I approached the

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Speaker 3: game and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: That's why we kind of do the show like this

1343
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: is why this show is kind of became a responsibility

1344
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: because you know, we know all the good players, the

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01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: players that's all on the commercial and the ones that's

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01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: the best in ranked top five exactly, but it's so

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01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: many dope players like your favorite players. Favorite players. Be

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01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 1: a guy that that might not have made it all

1349
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: starts not trying to leave his team is scoring, but

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01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: every time he's seen them, it was a problem. It

1351
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: was a problem, you know what I'm saying. And that's

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01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: why we kind of do this show. And it became

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01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: a responsibility for us to like tell other guys that

1354
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: man like man, he was dope or this is dope.

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01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: It's right, we thought he was dope.

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01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: Tell me this.

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01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 4: Did you ever did you ever think that you so

1358
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 4: much pride in a in a free sport coach? I

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01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,439
Speaker 4: would say that again, and that you you ever think

1360
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 4: you would ever take so much pride in a free

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01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 4: sport coach?

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01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: This?

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Speaker 4: This is this is the best highest stand.

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01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 2: You can't but like, tell me how much pride you got?

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01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:19,919
Speaker 1: What coach?

1366
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Speaker 3: I got so much pride in it that I'm wearing

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01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 3: it on Timsday.

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01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, my.

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01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 3: Outfit I'm not I'm not wearing or I'm wearing my

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01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 3: I'm wearing my Hall of Fame as it's only no

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01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 3: question about it, no no question about it now, it's

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01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 3: it's special. I look at it pretty much, probably like

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01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: once a week because it's in my closet and when

1374
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 3: I'm trying to if I'm going to dress up or something,

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01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 3: I see it right there. So no question about that.

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01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 3: That's a that's a big thing, they think.

1377
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 4: Man, So you played like in one of like probably

1378
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 4: my favorite period I think is that era.

1379
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that was like the nineties era.

1380
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 4: It's just like you know, that's maybe it's because I

1381
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 4: was writing my teams was like anything, and it was

1382
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 4: just like the greatest thing to me. But like you

1383
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 4: was a You was a walking bucket in the in

1384
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 4: the ear of some bucket get it especially, like you

1385
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 4: talk about like you just a throwback to guard and

1386
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 4: when even we posted us and played that mean right,

1387
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 4: just talk about how how it was to being in

1388
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 4: in that in that time, Pier we had MJ.

1389
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: You and Steve Smith, you had.

1390
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 4: Penny gran had some big guards wings you was one

1391
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 4: of the most prolific bucket get it. Just just talk

1392
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 4: about that era and how it was out there in

1393
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 4: that competition.

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01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 3: And every night, man, you had to bring it and

1395
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 3: and basically you had to get your rest and be prepared.

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01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 3: I mean, like it was a preparation that you had

1397
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 3: to go through, just like you said, Penny Grant Hill

1398
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 3: was a problem, you know, Mike was a problem, Clyde

1399
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 3: was a problem, and all of them did different things.

1400
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 3: Reggie Miller was a problem because Reggie was coming off

1401
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 3: the screens and he's already six seven, and so.

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01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 2: If you're not there, you know, he's he stop making exactly. Yeah.

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01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 3: And then you talk about some of the guys that

1404
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 3: you know, people don't really even talk about. You know,

1405
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 3: people don't even know about Ricky Pierce. You know Ricky

1406
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 3: Pierce would come out to Yeah, yeah, he would come

1407
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 3: off the bench average in twenty two, you.

1408
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:21,439
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

1409
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 3: And you had Dale Ellis at that time at six

1410
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 3: seven two guard.

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01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, shoot, and I.

1412
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 3: Went up against uh, Orlando Blackman, Yeah, another bucket getter exactly.

1413
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 3: So each each and every night, it was a problem

1414
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 3: at the two guard spot, you know what I mean.

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01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 3: It was a problem that then you guys came in yourself,

1416
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 3: Jimmy Jackson, j R. Ryder and all those guys. The

1417
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 3: two guard was a problem you no question about it.

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01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 3: Twos and threes, Well, what was making the league at.

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01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: That two was the hardest part to guard was up

1420
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: your regular to go put the three.

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01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 2: Three, no question.

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01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, So you had to mismatch there. But it

1423
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 3: was never you know how they do it now, you know, But.

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01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: But and it was defenders out there, Yeah, guys who

1425
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: actually defended, because like, if I can't get the guy,

1426
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: who can get me a bucket and trust me, it

1427
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: was the defender right there in the night exactly strictly

1428
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: in McMillan there. McMillan, Yeah, yeah, they were bringing all

1429
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: types of guys. It was.

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01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:33,919
Speaker 3: It was some guys back there that people don't really

1431
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 3: really talk about, uh that, and and I don't know

1432
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 3: if you guys probably you don't know, if you ever

1433
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 3: know if Jeff Malone, come on, man, Jeff Loone was

1434
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 3: a problem, you know what I mean. Jeff Malone was

1435
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 3: he was running, he was doing runners in the mid range.

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01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, the first flows.

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01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was it was a lot of guys

1438
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 3: at that time, and so back then, you know, you

1439
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 3: didn't really want to give a guy the edge. So

1440
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 3: nobody was really speaking, you know, nobody was smiling.

1441
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:04,919
Speaker 1: We got nobody was nobody in Jersey. Ain't doing none

1442
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: of this, none, none of this. At the end of

1443
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: the game, everybody walked back to the locker room.

1444
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 2: No high five, none of that, none of that.

1445
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: We got the end of that. Well, we came in.

1446
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: It was forbidden. It was like, yeah, we can't be

1447
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: friends with y'all. The only work out with our guys.

1448
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you weren't trying to give a guy ed

1449
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, you gave me. Yeah, you

1450
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 3: were trying to be something exactly remember if exactly exactly get.

1451
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: Over the court and be trying to be friends.

1452
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: Hey, no, can't do it.

1453
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 4: I can't do it, man, I gotta take this time

1454
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 4: to get my appreciation because you're definitely somebody who who

1455
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 4: I looked at and I stole pieces of your game

1456
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 4: from I was a strong guard, shot jumpers and did

1457
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 4: all that. You know, you was somebody, especially once I

1458
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 4: heard them give him respect, Okay, I gotta see what

1459
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 4: the hell he got going, and then you know, you

1460
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 4: went on your own tear and it was our views.

1461
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 4: But like you, definitely somebody who I looked up to,

1462
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 4: stole some moves and tried to pick and choose and

1463
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 4: steal things from your game.

1464
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 2: So now I appreciate you being that example.

1465
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 3: Thank you man, Thanks for having me brother. Appreciate that.

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01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 3: Appreciate that, And that's real.

1467
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 4: That's knuckleheads live on location, Ashley over there, and we

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01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 4: got the rock Mitch Richmond in the building.

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01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: Shut it up, all right.

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01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,480
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