WEBVTT - Wrestle Kingdom Night 2/NXT New Years Evil Recap/AEW on TBS 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:09.959 of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. Ready, Ready, 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:15.440 let's get it all. How's it going, everybody? Brian Alvarez 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.320 here on or Wrestling Observer Live. We are here every 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:20.960 day Monday through Friday, a New Pacific three Eastern, Sunday 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:24.960 three Pacific, six Eastern. Well, it's Wednesday here on the show, 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:28.600 and it is also January five, and you know that 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:32.879 means night too of Russell Kingdom is in the books. 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:35.839 And what did you think of the show? I have 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.400 not seen everything yet, not gonna lie, but I have 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.960 seen the most important matches on both shows. I have 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.000 actually shouldn't say the most important matches because I've not 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.720 seen the Stardom match yet. But I have seen the 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:50.159 Tanahashi kent To match for the i w g P 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:52.720 United States Heavyweight title in a no d Q match. 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:57.400 I've seen Okada versus will Ospray to unify the titles. 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.640 And yes, I went back yesterday and I watched Evil 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.160 versus Tomo hero Is she E. So I got a 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:05.920 lot to talk about from these two shows, and obviously 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.480 news coming out of the shows as well. Yesterday was 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.640 also n x T two point oh their New Year's 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.920 Evil Show, which was not as good as what I've 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.800 seen on the Tokyo Dome. Run Breakers, your new NXC 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.759 champion beat Tamasa Champa. They had a very very good 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:24.160 main event, and I got reports of the show. It 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:25.720 was like, not very good at all except for the 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.560 main event, and I thought it was fine. Uh, there 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.800 were some problems, but Riddle and ms Caver s Imperium, 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:35.840 I mean that was really good, and Carmelo and Roderick 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:38.000 Strong was good. Anyway, we can talk about that. We 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:39.840 also got a lot of other news. Tonight is the 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:45.000 a W debut, Dynamite moves to TBS. We have got 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:49.360 Hangman page Brian Danielson two for the a W World 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:53.040 title with judges. If it happens to go sixty minutes. 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:54.880 I'll tell you about that and all of the other 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.440 matches on the show because there are a lot of them. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.360 The Young Bucks and Bran and Cutler off the show 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.800 due to COVID and COVID exposure. I'll give you an 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:08.760 update on that and uh. Also in terms of COVID, 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.440 Callisto did an Instagram post where he he basically said 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:14.600 he got COVID nineteen over the summer and almost killed him. 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.120 So we can tell you about that and a lot 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.200 of other news. But when we come back from the break, 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.400 we're gonna talk about the top story today. What is 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:24.440 the top story you ask? Well, yesterday everybody was asking 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:29.840 was the She Evil actually worse than a J and Omas? 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:32.880 I will answer that question for you after the breakups 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:50.359 over live back of the show. Brian Albert is here 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:55.400 wrestling observer Alive. Mike simper Viv also a wrestling observer 0:02:55.680 --> 0:03:00.600 at dot com. Well, as I promised, top story today, 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:06.840 is it possible for is she to have a bad match? 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.079 Was a She versus Evil on Night one of the 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:15.399 tokyot Home worse then a J versus Omas on Raw? Well, 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.840 now that I've seen both matches, I have answered to 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:21.360 all of these questions everyone. First off, the answer is yes, 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:25.760 she can be in a bad match. Now would I 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.120 say that she can have a bad match, Well, that's 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:30.880 a little bit different because if you actually watched the 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.240 match for the first I don't know, four minutes before 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.000 anybody got involved, I mean, it actually was good because 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:41.160 he she is great, But then and everybody got involved 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:48.280 and uh, the match sucked, okay, but the match sucked 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:52.680 because the booking sucked and the run ins and the interference, 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.240 and she lost. So he's no longer than ever open 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.600 Way champion. Evil is so like from that perspective, I mean, 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:03.440 it's sucked. It's just horrible, okay. But if you are 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.160 gonna come on the chat or call me or text 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:07.920 me or whatever, and you're gonna try and tell me 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.040 the straight face that the match was worse than a 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.520 j and Omas, you know that tells me you didn't 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:17.040 see a j and Omas. That match, that wrestling match 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:22.080 was far worse than Evil. And as she now, I'm 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.520 not defending Evil, and she sucks, and we gotta get 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.400 rid of this bullet club or House of Pain or 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.520 whatever there is gimmick is now it sucks, you know. 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.480 You know how I know something sucks when they're doing 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.360 a match and you've got a beloved baby face like 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.760 a she, and as she gets taken to the ropes 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.520 and some fellow named Dick Togo takes a steel chair 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:47.120 and he whacks a She in the back, and there's death. 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:51.000 Lee's silence in the Tokyo Dome. There was no booing. 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:57.760 There was no gasping, deathly, deadly silence in the Tokyo Dome. 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.400 That's when you know the don't work no more. And 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.120 it wasn't even the match that they usually do or 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.520 everybody in her fears and they do all this stuff, 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:07.920 and you know, Evil has been hitting people with this 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.520 gimmick all through the tour, and so you think he's 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:12.839 gonna hit the guy with the gimmick at the Tokyo Dome. 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:14.760 But then the guy's gonna kick out and beat him 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:18.240 and he'll get his handheld high with his Nope, they 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:22.400 beat him, beat a she So yeah, it absolutely sucked everybody, 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:29.280 but almost Omas and a j much worse, much worse. Now, 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:31.240 I got two things I want to talk about because 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:33.800 I've only seen two matches from the from night too 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.120 of the Dome show. The first match I saw was 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:41.640 Tanahashi and Kenta. Okay, God bless these two guys. They 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:46.080 had a nod Q match, and so there were trash cans, 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:54.560 there were chairs, there were tables, and there was a ladder. Okay, Now, 0:05:55.000 --> 0:06:00.920 if you are an American and you use American ladders, 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.280 you know how a ladder works. Well, it shut and 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.120 then you open it up and it's got this thing 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.920 across it that prevents it from like going like this 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.480 and you fall down and die. Okay, that's a that's 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:16.840 a ladder. You just open it up. It's done. This 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:21.560 ladder that they had, I was was it opens but 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:23.320 it will just keep going like this. There was no 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.960 thing in the middle because you have to open it, 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:32.440 and then there are four count them four, there's four 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.760 like hanging gimmicks. Then you have to attach from one 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:39.960 side of the ladder to the other. Do this match 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:41.720 was Let me see how long the match was. The 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.720 match was twenty two minutes and forty seconds. Okay, a 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:48.640 full twenty minutes of this match was Kanta trying to 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.880 put this almost in a bad word. I forgot what 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.440 show was on. Kent is trying to put this stupid 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:58.280 ladder together, and like he's shouting profanities in Japanese and 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.080 the audience is laughing. He's trying to put this stupid 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.880 ladder together. I have never seen, I asked, sort of. 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:05.440 I don't think I've ever seen in my life a 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:09.360 hardcore match where more of the match was spent trying 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.720 to put the stuff together. They're trying to open this 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.040 table and the table, the legs won't stay open. They're 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:20.080 trying open this stupid ladder, Oh my god, and they're 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:24.080 taking these bumps onto these chairs and it's just a 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:29.760 total garbage match with two great workers. And then Kenton decides, 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:30.960 let me come to the top of this ladder and 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:34.600 do some spot. Well, he gets stop the ladder and 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.840 tan Ash. She jumps off this table and Tanashi tries 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.440 to tip over this this ladder, but the ladder is 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:44.200 like literally it's like two ft tall, literally two hunter 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.760 feet tall. So he's trying to tip it. It's it's 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.600 all wobbling everything like that, and finally kent it just 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.200 like he falls. He does like a stomach first bump 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.760 off this ladder and he hits his face on the 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.360 side of a trash can and he just comes up. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.040 He's just pouring blood everywhere for this stupid spot. Then 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.280 Tanashi puts him on this table and tana Hashi at 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.120 forty something years old, and he's he's like forty years 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:10.160 old and his knees are shot. He climbs up to 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.160 this like way up high on this ladder and he 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.560 does a high fly flow off the ladder and he 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.840 puts Kenter to this table and I'm like, brother, why 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.720 there's like thirty people in the Tokyo Dome this year? 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:26.000 You just about and Chris Charlton's begging him not to 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.480 do it. He's like, he'll he'll never be the same again, 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:30.600 but he doesn't. He puts him to the table and 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:34.360 he wins. And I mean it was a spectacle, like 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.679 if you're in his spectacles, I mean you got one. 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:41.160 Oh my god, what were these two guys doing doing 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:45.040 all this stuff? I was just sad watching it. And 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.959 then O'Connor willis bringing the main event was awesome And 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:52.520 the only thing I'll say is two fantastic athletes, two 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:56.600 great workers. They had a great match, and this place 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.240 it sounds like it sounded like they were wrestling. You 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.920 ever seeing those old National Geographic shows, were like some 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.920 explorer goes like there's some cavern, you know, three ft 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.000 below the north pole. And I'm surprising I didn't wear 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:10.760 those helmets with a light on top when they did 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:15.319 this match. This crowd is just it's silent, and the 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.400 stuff is just echoing off the walls of this empty building, 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:20.800 and it just felt like I was watching a dying promotion, 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.480 which is not by the way, but because it's two 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:27.640 nights in the Dome and you know, there's it's just 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.360 sad watching it. But it's a match. It was a 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.199 great match, but it's just a match where you watch it. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.480 It was great, but like people were going, was this 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.040 better than the Shingo match? And I was like, I'm 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.040 not sure, because like both of them were great, but 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.959 you don't have the crowd going crazy and they're going 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.920 knuts and popping. I mean, the crowd silent and they 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.040 do the spot where they throw a forearm and the 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.800 crowds like they're chopping there. They're they're clapping for each 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:56.439 of the strikes or whatever. But other than that, it's 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:01.040 it's just, uh, can we I don't even know. It's 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.520 not their fault, but just sad. But anyway, great match, 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:08.840 great main event. Which thing, Mike, how was the Okan match? 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:13.319 How's O'Kon and Sonata a technical masterpiece? I missed it. 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.320 I'm trying not to do any callbacks to yesterday at all, 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.520 but let me before that, let me just ask you, 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.800 why are you sad for? Why are you sad for? Why? 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.560 I can understand why you're sad about the crowd because 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.920 of the code. There's nobody there. They're not allowed to 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.240 cheer there. They have to sit there quietly during these 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:39.559 these Maine events. Uh are you sad about Tamahashi in 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.600 Kenta though? Why are you sad? Because they're too great 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:47.200 to be to be killing themselves like this. Well, yeah, 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.280 they're too great to be killing themselves in a horrible 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.760 match where they have to be construction workers and putting 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:57.080 the ladder together. I'm sure Kenton when he signed his contract, 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.560 like one of the clauses was you will put ladder 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.480 together in hardcore matches and he's like, I don't even 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:06.679 know my wrench, dude, did it not take forever to 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.120 put this stuff together? Like his comedy? You didn't see 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:14.000 the stardom uh match with the ladders um with the 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:18.400 finals of the the treos that they had with that 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.559 with that ladder on it. They Yeah, some of the 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.280 ladders and tables when he comes to Japan, they maybe 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.679 they need to import some because I'm not sure if 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:31.200 the blood that was still left splattered across the table 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:36.040 after Tanahashi put Kenta through it came from Kenta's face 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.240 or the fact that maybe it was from his back 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.240 because the way he went through that table. I mean, 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.560 the Japanese tables are of course famous for not being 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.160 able to break very easy. They mentioned he was scarred 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:50.640 for life from going theysolutely smashed through it. Yeah, and 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.040 they mentioned that because they mentioned that about Tona Haji, 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.000 because as you mentioned, Chris just kept saying over and over, yeah, 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.040 you could win the title, but you're not gonna be 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.280 able to have any defenses because you won't be able 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:04.160 to walk after that dive. And he barely could. I mean, man, 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.040 they worked hard about sad being the word I use, 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.360 though it's certainly not sad. It was. I was kind 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.679 of sad watching it. It was just and we'll talk 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:14.959 more about this show after the break. We had a 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:26.640 lot to get into stick around him her light. We 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:33.800 saw the boys strike Noboddy, No, the bank, don't compete. Next, 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.720 Oh this ladder. Yeah, Kenne is trying to set up 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:44.760 this ladder and he just can't do it, and so 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:48.000 he asks Red Shoes, the referee, for help, but she's like, 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.960 it's on you, brother, not helping. So poor Kenda takes 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.120 an hour to set up this ladder and then and 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:55.640 you know, you guys don't know this because the way 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.280 they shoot it in w W you see it every 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.040 now and then, but when they have the super high 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.360 ladders in w W E, they usually have like at 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.800 least two referees out there holding the ladder to make 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:07.920 sure it doesn't tip over. Canada's on like tana Hashi 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.040 goes to climb this ladder, okay, and uh, you know, 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.079 the higher he gets, the more wobbly it is. And 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.640 then he's trying to turn around as he's you know, 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.400 three runs from the top, and it takes him an 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.679 hour to try to turn around because it's so wobbly, 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.440 and I'm looking down and it's like, where's red shoes? 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.719 Can you at least hold the ladder, nopeches Like you're 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.200 on your own, buddy, you turn around. You either make 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.000 it or you don't. And thankfully he made it. And hey, 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.959 the high fly flow look great. And there was a 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.880 spot in the in the Olcada Osprey match. Okada or 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.520 Osprey did this moon salt off a lighting rig that 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.719 I realized I was ejaggerating with two feet but he 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.000 was legitimately twelve feet in the air because it was 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.959 double the height of Ocada, and he did this moon 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.760 salt off this ladder, and I have no idea how 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.800 he didn't destroy both of his knees. It was scary looking, 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.080 but he did it. And like I said, the match 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.040 was great. If this had been a full Tokyo Dome, 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.520 people going nuts. I mean, people will be talking about 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.960 from Match of the year. I would suspect five months 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.599 from now it will not be in the running for 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.760 Match of the Year. What did you think of this show? 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.160 What else did you see? Mike? I saw the last 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.920 five matches. Actually I didn't have a chance to see 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.480 the King of Pro Wrestling UH four away and everything 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.800 that took place before that. I'll be watching that before 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:28.920 Adam and I record the big audio Nightmare, which I 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:30.920 think is gonna be a little bit later on today. 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.600 But you know, one thing, because the one thing for 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.440 you go because it's breaking news. Uh W is on 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:42.280 another firing spree. Yeah, you'll hear about it more soon, 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.360 but at this moment, I know that people are getting 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:50.200 fired in an x T sou We'll no more, probably 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.560 by the end of the show. But you know, they 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:54.760 just got they just got too many people as they 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:59.040 have literally nobody to face the Roman reins. It just sucks. 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.640 Go ahead, well, let's see the names too. You know, 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.480 it's see if it's a mix of people as well too, 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.520 if there's any redundancy issues or anything like that. But 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:09.880 you know, you made a crack about Sonata and Great Ocon, 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:11.880 you know, as far as the technical aspect of an 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.480 o'con getting that award, but it appears to be mostly 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:17.880 office by the way, go ahead at this point. This 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.040 could change, but right now it's it seems to be 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.720 office people. So Sonata and o'con actually was, you know, 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.520 at its moments, actually being technically really good, and of 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.880 course that comes from Sonata. It gets the victory in 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.240 that match, that's followed up by Tetsu Nito and Jeff 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.240 Cobb and what was a really great fifteen and a 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.960 half minutes. Jeff Cobb is, He's fantastic. You know, if 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.200 they wanted to rebuild the tag team division and inserts 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.440 some new blood into a Great Ocon as a team 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.080 with Jeff Cobb would be great. You know, I'd love 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.360 to see Jeff Cobb in the mix for singles titles. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.920 But the way it looks right now, you know, with 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.960 Evil holding the the i C title and and just 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.840 all that sort of stuff, I don't know if that's 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.640 sort of the never title. I'm not sure if that's 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:01.280 a direct action that they would want to go. But 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.320 him is in a tag team with Osprey continuing the 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.360 challenge Okada. I love that, and I think they made 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.920 the right decision with Ocada and Osprey too. I'm not sure. 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:12.400 You know, everybody's got their favorites on who they wanted 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.320 to see come out of this thing. But I think 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.920 with the situation they're in right now, with the with 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:22.400 the you know cash that Okada has, I think it's 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.040 the right time. And plus he gets a chance to 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:31.440 finally wear his very first i w g P World Heavyweight. Yeah, 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:33.680 all he did was complain about how the belt sucked 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:35.120 and he wanted the old belt pack, and then he 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.600 starts carrying around the old belt and he wins this belt. 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:41.440 Now he's proud. Well, I agreed with him earlier. By 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:46.080 the way, Jeff probably still agrees with that too. But 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.240 you know, this is how things go. Sometimes. You know, 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.880 you've got a boss that's uh real pain in the ass, 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:52.760 and they want it their way all of the time, 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.440 over and over again, and they just constantly will tear 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.960 you down. Sometimes you just have to say it fine, 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.240 I'll take you. But promotion, you're talking about all of them. 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.399 I'm just saying, why can take my text arcana title? 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:11.080 Come on, get real brother? So anyway, there's uh, get 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.119 out of here. So anyway, there's a lot of other 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:15.679 stuff going on that we gotta talk about. We can 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.400 come back to this one when you do uh, when 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.320 we do commentary later. You know what I'm talking about 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.919 when you contact me. But tonight is a W They 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.960 moved to TBS, So of course if you DVR this show, 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.119 VCR or whatever, if you're one of these old school folks, 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.840 then you need to change it to TBS. The lineup 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:39.520 tonight Hangman page Brian Danielson for the au W World title. 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.359 This match sixty minute time limit with judges, and uh, 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.040 we don't know who the judges are yet. I think 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.360 people have Do we know the judges? I I heard 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:51.600 a name, but I don't know if that guy was 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.520 joking or what the situation is. I don't they haven't 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.560 announced it. I don't believe you think that they would 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.439 announce these judges because it's kind of like an important 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.600 part of the story. Well, but that's the that's the 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.879 reason they're not doing that because if they do announce 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.280 the name, somebody's gonna try to draw lines right away 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.080 or something like that as Max Caster really wonder is 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:13.320 he joking? That's my question. Oh god, I if that's 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.280 going to be the case, and I love Max Caster 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.960 and everything, but it's like, don't do that, you know, 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.960 make it where I don't know if this is gonna 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.360 be for the world title. This is a really important thing. 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.679 You're just doing a really w c W thing if 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:32.359 you bring in Jason Hervey, Patty Mullen. And I'm not 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.480 saying that, well, if one of your wrestlers is at 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.080 that level, the story is a w W story here. 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.080 But the judges, Yeah, maybe, but it doesn't to me. 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.000 You can't. You can't do that. I mean, if you're 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.600 gonna do that, why would Max Caster be a judge 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:47.520 other than he won like a lot of thing. If 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.160 you're gonna do that, put it on BT or something. 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.200 It's like somebody won the raffle to be one of 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:57.679 the judges for the World Heavyweight Championship contest. I that's crazy. Well, 0:18:57.760 --> 0:18:59.960 Leny Lenny here does say they never announced the jog 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.280 just for Flair Steamboat in eighty nine and that ended 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.880 up just fine. So I guess, well, here's the deal, everybody, 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.680 here's the deal. Yeah they I think they did announce 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:12.320 them beforehand, but somebody cleared this up. But here's here's 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.280 here's the deal, everybody. I don't know the finish. I 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.720 don't know who's winning. I would say with ninety nine 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:23.240 point nine nine certainty it's not going to the judges. Okay, 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.720 how long should the match go is a big question. Well, 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:28.760 by the way, I don't know you fifty bucks because 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.520 that Okada Osprey match went over thirty minutes. But anyway, 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.120 here's the thing with this match. Based on the first 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.200 match going to a sixty minute draw, and based on 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:41.720 the fact that the match grew like through the entire 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:45.159 hour and fifteen minutes it was on the air, this 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.880 should go long, but it should not go to a draw. 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:54.359 I would probably do forty two forty four minutes, because 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.000 you do want to tease is that it's going to 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.399 go to a draw again. But it shouldn't go to 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.440 a draw. And you know, the longer you go, the 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:03.720 more people are going to watch the match. So I 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.440 think that it should go long, but not to a draw. 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:12.640 And you know, there's a lot of rumors about John 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:17.440 Moxley because he was announced it with it was a 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.280 gc DOUBLEW show he was announced for in late January, 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:25.760 and he's clearly returning to a W before GCW, and 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:29.200 most likely he was supposed to be wrestling for the 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.280 world title on this show. Uh So I would not 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.760 be the least bit surprised if if Hangman Page ended 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:40.480 up winning the match and then the feud with Moxley 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.920 begins there. But I mean, there's a million things that 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.840 they could do. We got Luca Brothers, Jurassic Express for 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.400 the titles. James just throw and here one thing real 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:51.040 quick on that because I don't know, I'll have to 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:53.280 double check to see. I don't think that was announced. 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:57.399 What was announced was that when Homicide one the number 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.320 one contendership rumbled that they had he is going to 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:04.280 get the next shot. It's just everyone's assumption that because 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:08.719 they're going to Hammerstein in January that if Moxley, if 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.200 Moxley is ready, why would you not have a Moxley 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.320 match against Homicide and have the g c W world 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.080 title match then? So I think people are leaning into that, 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.520 but I mean, I mean, I have no idea what 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:22.480 the status of John's Moxley is if he's impatient, I 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.160 have no idea. So I think I think people maybe 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:27.680 just taking that and going, well, he's got to be 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:29.600 back soon, right, He's gonna be back there. And I 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:32.040 don't know if that's necessarily the case, because, like you mentioned, 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:33.760 there are a lot of people saying once he come 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:35.520 to come back to a w and he would have 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:38.320 to quote unquote have to do that first. It would 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:42.320 just make more sense. We've got Jake Cargill Ruby Soho 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.919 for the TBS title Malichi Black, Ryan Pillman Jr. MGF 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.560 versus t b A Chris Jericho appears. There will be 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:56.080 no Young Bucks on the show because Matt and Brandon 0:21:56.240 --> 0:22:02.000