Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how we go. Hi. I'm Jamaica d Mallory
Speaker 1: and I'm so And this is street Politicians, the place
Speaker 1: where the streets and politics meet. We're in Kentucky, We're
Speaker 1: living in Louisville, fighting for Brianna Taylor. You all know
Speaker 1: from being our trusted and faithful friends, followers, and supporters
Speaker 1: that we have been fighting for Brianna Taylor for the
Speaker 1: last several months. We found out in late May that
Speaker 1: this young sister had been killed in her home on
Speaker 1: March thirteenth, And when you look into the details, there
Speaker 1: is absolutely no justification for why police officers showed up
Speaker 1: at her home in the middle of the night, were
Speaker 1: unwilling to announce themselves and to explain to Kenny Walker,
Speaker 1: her boyfriend, and Brianna Taylor who was on the other
Speaker 1: side of the door, and why and therefore she was killed.
Speaker 1: H And we have been standing with her family, her
Speaker 1: mother to make a palmer, her entire family, her sister,
Speaker 1: Jenia and others really really trying to find a way
Speaker 1: that pushes the leadership not just in Louisville, but in
Speaker 1: the state of Kentucky overall to ensure justice for Brianna
Speaker 1: Taylor and so living here in Louisville has been quite
Speaker 1: an experience. Later in the show, we're gonna be talking
Speaker 1: to our co founders about the decision that we made
Speaker 1: to come and live in Louisville and what it has
Speaker 1: really been like to be humble enough to enter another
Speaker 1: community where we're not known and try to make sure
Speaker 1: that we're actually being good neighbors. It's been quite an experience.
Speaker 1: It's been quite an experience. Man. We shout out to
Speaker 1: the whole Louisville. They have definitely showed us love. Um,
Speaker 1: we've been organizing, We've been going to the community, going
Speaker 1: to the most marginalized community, giving our resources, just building community,
Speaker 1: you know, just understanding what this community needs. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not just Brianna Taylor here. I know, Brianna Taylor
Speaker 1: is the main focus that we talked about, but there's
Speaker 1: so much going on in a little you know, a
Speaker 1: few days ago we found out a three year old
Speaker 1: girl was shot a few days when we first moved
Speaker 1: the first more and you know, we found out she
Speaker 1: was killed and her father was killed. And you know,
Speaker 1: you go to the communities, there's food deserts here. You know,
Speaker 1: violence is rampant on poverty is rampant here, you know,
Speaker 1: and that, but there are a lot of people on
Speaker 1: the ground that really are doing the work, you know,
Speaker 1: so we want to We wanted to come here and
Speaker 1: uplift what they're doing. We want to uplift their voices.
Speaker 1: We wanted to uplift be Brianna Taylor's case, you know,
Speaker 1: and bring some light to that. So just moving here
Speaker 1: seemed like the best thing to do because you decided
Speaker 1: that we needed to do it. But you know, in
Speaker 1: the hindsight, when you look back and look at how
Speaker 1: we built with this community, how we started to create
Speaker 1: a family. You know, we did Brianna Khan, which we
Speaker 1: definitely received flat full, but the community loved it. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: when you say we received flat there were people on
Speaker 1: social media and some media outlets who really were trying
Speaker 1: to challenge our uh sincerity and we're trying to challenge
Speaker 1: what Brianna Khan meant and they said we were trying
Speaker 1: to benefit from for the conference. And I think what
Speaker 1: happened was that people didn't know at the time that
Speaker 1: it was a free conference. They had no idea. So
Speaker 1: I think once they figured that out, then it became
Speaker 1: oh well, still the language, um is you know, it's
Speaker 1: not it's harmful to Brianna's name into this fight. And
Speaker 1: then and her family wasn't involved. And then they found
Speaker 1: out the family was involved and they were like wow,
Speaker 1: but still like it just people were just looking forward.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, it was conflict and it was you know,
Speaker 1: people gave us flak about it, but ultimately, you know,
Speaker 1: every day of the four days that we had something
Speaker 1: for Brihanna com was life changing. You know. You had
Speaker 1: a women empowerment event in which all the women who
Speaker 1: I've seen left there talked about how they were empowered
Speaker 1: and motivated to to bring people in, to communicate with
Speaker 1: people they haven't communicated, and what to do things they
Speaker 1: haven't normally done. Um. We had a men's event Brothers
Speaker 1: for Brihanna, and we sat there and talked about how
Speaker 1: we need to show up for women in this time,
Speaker 1: how we need to protect our women, how we need
Speaker 1: to you know, allow them to lead, to stand by
Speaker 1: to protect them, how we need to just show up
Speaker 1: in this time. And it was really powerful. And you know,
Speaker 1: then there was the Bribe Que, which was the barbecue
Speaker 1: that we named after Brihanna, in which we had performance
Speaker 1: to shout out to Rapsody, my boy Tray, you know,
Speaker 1: um other local artists who came and did an amazing job.
Speaker 1: And you know, and that was one of those lightening
Speaker 1: moments where you've seen people. We had food and giveaway
Speaker 1: people just had a good time. And then and we
Speaker 1: supported many black business, many black businesses that day. You know,
Speaker 1: every business did that we support. It was a black business.
Speaker 1: We gave away everything. Then there was the revival which
Speaker 1: we have faith leaders and preachers come give us words
Speaker 1: like I was full, you know. And then we did
Speaker 1: the Day of Action in which, well you missed a
Speaker 1: press conference where the FACI police came together. Families who
Speaker 1: um have had loved ones as victims of police brutality
Speaker 1: or white vigilante violence came together to stand up with
Speaker 1: and for Brianna Taylor's family and specifically pushing for Brianna's law,
Speaker 1: which would ban no knock warrants. And we know that
Speaker 1: the no knock warrant is at the center of how
Speaker 1: Brihanna was killed and how police officers were even allowed
Speaker 1: to go to her home that evening. UM and so
Speaker 1: the entire conference, it was very full. I think that
Speaker 1: what we ended up doing was using Brianna Cohan and
Speaker 1: a name that may have been to some people sensationalized,
Speaker 1: if you will, and we use it as an opportunity
Speaker 1: to at every juncture of the conference introduced Brianna and
Speaker 1: all the elements of her case to different audiences, and
Speaker 1: the different elements of her case and the different elements
Speaker 1: of her interests, things that she actually was interested in
Speaker 1: based upon her family and uh, the issues that are
Speaker 1: happening just in society in general. I think at every
Speaker 1: single moment it empowered people or gave people the information
Speaker 1: that they need to go into their communities and do
Speaker 1: real work, substantive work to make substantive changes and differences
Speaker 1: within themselves. UM. And I saw people at the Tuesday actions.
Speaker 1: So we started on Saturday, UM with the empowerment events,
Speaker 1: and then Sunday, like you said, with the brebeque. Monday
Speaker 1: was a policy day when it was more about you know,
Speaker 1: people talking about Brianna's law and other important initiatve to
Speaker 1: its happening happening across the state of Kentucky. UM. And
Speaker 1: then on Tuesday we did our actual protests with which
Speaker 1: we are most known for and I saw people who
Speaker 1: showed up that said, listen, I came on Saturday. I'm
Speaker 1: not really involved in the movement. This is not something
Speaker 1: that I usually would do. But after being with you
Speaker 1: all in space on Saturday, I found, you know, I
Speaker 1: found a way to get involved. And I think you know,
Speaker 1: for me, Um, what we know is that everyone is
Speaker 1: not going to be a part of the movement regardless,
Speaker 1: but that there are some people that just need an
Speaker 1: entry point. They need something that helps them, like to
Speaker 1: realize that, Okay, I don't have to be a church
Speaker 1: going you know, um, you know, super super righteous individual
Speaker 1: to to also be able to stand up for justice.
Speaker 1: And perhaps I can move closer to some of those things,
Speaker 1: but I don't have to start there exactly. And that's
Speaker 1: what and that's what it is. I think that's what
Speaker 1: we do until Freedom. I think that was one of
Speaker 1: the mind states that we had behind creating unto Freedom,
Speaker 1: is that we realized that the movement didn't look inviting
Speaker 1: to everyone. You know, a lot of people didn't see space,
Speaker 1: they didn't see themselves in a lot of different organizations,
Speaker 1: and a lot of these legacy organizations, though doing amazing work,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't seem like people see themselves in it.
Speaker 1: You know. I remember when I first got into the movement,
Speaker 1: I didn't see myself, you know, the reason I was
Speaker 1: invited in by you guys, But I never saw myself
Speaker 1: in the movement. I just integrated into it, but I
Speaker 1: never really saw myself. I never feel like there was
Speaker 1: space for me. And I started to create my own space.
Speaker 1: And as I created my space and it, you know,
Speaker 1: I realized that there was a need for organization for
Speaker 1: people who just saw themselves and not having to force
Speaker 1: yourself and create a space and having to look different
Speaker 1: and you know, being anomaly. I wanted what I do
Speaker 1: to seem regular, you know. And I think that was
Speaker 1: part of what we did when we created Until Freedom,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what we did this weekend with
Speaker 1: the Brier Q and how we've been organizing here, and
Speaker 1: I think it's been a lot successful, you know, hopefully,
Speaker 1: you know, we received some level of justice, you know,
Speaker 1: but if not, we're still fighting here and we're building
Speaker 1: an infrastructure. We're building up, and we're building up a
Speaker 1: lot of these grassroots organizers who are brilliant, who've been
Speaker 1: doing this work, who've been tired like we created something
Speaker 1: that replenished energy inside of the town. And I think
Speaker 1: the people not just inside the town, because we bought
Speaker 1: a lot of people in with us who have actually
Speaker 1: been living with us in Louisville, UM, that have that also.
Speaker 1: They had things going on in their own towns, but
Speaker 1: they needed the replenishment as well. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think we've built sort of a camaraderie a family by
Speaker 1: having people living actually together, rather than living in hotel
Speaker 1: rooms where there's a wall between you, but actually sharing
Speaker 1: common space, having dinner together every night, having brunched together
Speaker 1: every day, UM, and having these conversations and allo so
Speaker 1: working on a project together. In two weeks, we worked
Speaker 1: together twenty five people on building Brianna Cohn and throughout
Speaker 1: the process, UM, I feel like people they have they
Speaker 1: have tested their skills, they have stretched their bounds. There's
Speaker 1: so much to itself and we learned so much from
Speaker 1: each other because I certainly have learned a lot, and
Speaker 1: I think I also have found myself teaching, teaching and
Speaker 1: learning at the table. So soon we're gonna be joined
Speaker 1: by Lindas Ursur and uh Angelo Penzo, our profounders, to
Speaker 1: talk about their experience with um this entire living in Louisville,
Speaker 1: fighting for Brianna Taylor, justice for Brianna Taylor situation and effort.
Speaker 1: But you know, now Lord Chadwick uh Bozeman has passed away,
Speaker 1: which is so traumatizing. I mean, it's traumatizing for so
Speaker 1: many reasons. It's traumatizing because he's a young black man.
Speaker 1: So even if he had been, like, you know, just
Speaker 1: a regular guy. You heard about him dying, it would
Speaker 1: be traumatizing because cancer sucks, which we know, UM. But
Speaker 1: then just to see how much he's actually done for
Speaker 1: the culture and the short period of time that I
Speaker 1: know him, Like, I'm sure others have been acquainted with
Speaker 1: him for a longer period of time, but for me,
Speaker 1: I came into contact with him a little bit before
Speaker 1: Black Panther. I can't remember exactly what the movie was,
Speaker 1: but I knew he was. And then when Black Panther
Speaker 1: came out, you know, all of us know what that
Speaker 1: movie did. It helped us to see ourselves right, like
Speaker 1: to see the warrior in us and to see what
Speaker 1: real unity could look like, UM, and to know that
Speaker 1: he has he didn't just play a role, but he
Speaker 1: also spoke truth to power you know, he spoke out
Speaker 1: against injustice, UM, and he lended himself to this moment
Speaker 1: in our culture. It's really important. And to find out
Speaker 1: that he passed away, it's like I think we could
Speaker 1: all agree that the ones always go. I think it
Speaker 1: was I think um, like I put on my Instagram today,
Speaker 1: I think he served his purpose like he's sitting he
Speaker 1: was sitting here God sense. And you know the roles
Speaker 1: that he played specifically as the childer Jackie Robinson, Jackie Robinson,
Speaker 1: that he did Jackie Robinson, he was serving Marshall, he
Speaker 1: was James Brown, like he played in intro instrumental parts
Speaker 1: of black people that you know that change history for us.
Speaker 1: And but I think what he did as the childer
Speaker 1: in Wakanda was something that was different. I think he
Speaker 1: made us aspire. He made us believe that this community
Speaker 1: of Black people who are empowered, who are strong, who
Speaker 1: are intelligent, who are not poor, who are not stressed out,
Speaker 1: who live amongst each other and you know, in community
Speaker 1: and love and you know it's possible. You know, he
Speaker 1: made us Wakonda. When we say Wakonda forever, people started
Speaker 1: to identify like Wakonda forever, Like it was a real thing.
Speaker 1: And even though you knew Wakanda was fake, but for
Speaker 1: us it was something to aspire to. It still was
Speaker 1: something I remember, you know, I'm wearing this um dashiki
Speaker 1: right now in remembers of him. And also when my
Speaker 1: gold and purple for Kobe, you know, I said that
Speaker 1: we lost the black Mamba and the Black Panther, you know,
Speaker 1: in the same year, and you know, it just gave
Speaker 1: us something to aspire to. And I remember when I
Speaker 1: went to the movie and I brought my sons, they dashikis,
Speaker 1: and we went to the movies and it was Wakonda
Speaker 1: and we did the thing, and it was just it
Speaker 1: was something that was different about that, you know. And
Speaker 1: I think him losing his life is calling us to say,
Speaker 1: we have to that dream. That picture he painted about
Speaker 1: Wakanda is something that we have to do. We have
Speaker 1: to create that Wakanda for us. So so I think
Speaker 1: it's calling us to our higher mission, you know. So
Speaker 1: R I P the chat with bothness. So let's bring
Speaker 1: Linda and Angelo in and talk about this Kentucky. First
Speaker 1: of all, both of them are just as devastated about Chadwick.
Speaker 1: I mean, just R I P. Like you said, and
Speaker 1: I think we should bring them in to talk about
Speaker 1: this whole experience of being in Kentucky. How we're all exhausted.
Speaker 1: I think last night, when I learned that Chadwick Boseman
Speaker 1: Bozeman passed away, I was like, I am literally exhausted.
Speaker 1: I'm literally exhausted. And some of us are are living
Speaker 1: on the fringes. Uh, and we're living in in a
Speaker 1: space where we're like, this year has done something for us,
Speaker 1: Like it's really been in an awakening year. Um, tragedy
Speaker 1: and triumph, all of it together has just been so
Speaker 1: um moving moving. It's been moving. Yeah, I think you know,
Speaker 1: God makes you uncomfortable where you at, so you can
Speaker 1: have to change, you know what, We make selves and
Speaker 1: comfortable uncomfortable by saying we're gonna go move to a
Speaker 1: place like Louisville. Changes happened. So now we've been joined
Speaker 1: by our friends are co founders Until Freedom, a great
Speaker 1: organization as far as I'm concerned that it's going to
Speaker 1: be one of the absolute most historic movements movement leaders
Speaker 1: of our time. Um, you know we're joined by you all.
Speaker 1: Attorney Angelo Pinto and Linda's our Sword co founders Until
Speaker 1: Freedom founders, our best sees in the culture, in this
Speaker 1: movement um. And we were just talking before you all
Speaker 1: came about how somebody somewhere came up with this great,
Speaker 1: great idea that we needed to move to Kentucky. And
Speaker 1: it's been quite a humbling experience. I mean, for me,
Speaker 1: it's been humbling being being away from our usual Angelo
Speaker 1: what you think, I think, I think it was a
Speaker 1: great idea. I mean, I think in this moment it
Speaker 1: calls for us to do something different, but it comes
Speaker 1: with a tremendous amount of sacrifice. And you know, we
Speaker 1: still haven't gotten to where we need to get. So
Speaker 1: you might be here for longer than we expected. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we might be here longer. So Linda, what do you
Speaker 1: feel about I mean, I've been part of to me
Speaker 1: because crazy ideas for a long time. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: marched from New York City to Washington, d C. For
Speaker 1: two and fifty miles and I've done I've had to
Speaker 1: do a lot of crazy things with Tamaka. And sometimes
Speaker 1: you may not see the vision in the beginning, but
Speaker 1: you know that there's it's something that's going to be powerful,
Speaker 1: and eventually, once you do, you understand the impact that
Speaker 1: it had. So it's crazy. I'm not gonna lie about that,
Speaker 1: but I've had a humbling experience. I feel like we've
Speaker 1: all built really deep relationships, not just with amongst us four,
Speaker 1: but amongst others that you know, are our friends. And
Speaker 1: also just being able to meet people a Louisville. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Louisvill grew on me, like I feel like
Speaker 1: gause when you start saying as in Louisville. But you
Speaker 1: know what, there's a meme that I saw, you know,
Speaker 1: memes of like Bible scriptures at this point that said,
Speaker 1: Noah looked crazy until it started raining. And people think
Speaker 1: that we're like crazy, like, oh, what they moving there for? Then?
Speaker 1: What did they do? Brihanna Cohn? Why was Brianna kN necessary?
Speaker 1: It was a mockery and all of that, um, you
Speaker 1: know was Marcha doesn't mean anything. Marshall means a whole lot.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying these are the things they say.
Speaker 1: So they so Noah looked crazy until it started raining.
Speaker 1: But Brianna Khan was amazing. Amazing, it really was for me,
Speaker 1: just seeing the unity, just bringing people who normally had
Speaker 1: never been together, you know, just providing resources to the
Speaker 1: community that you know, has been deprived these resources, you know,
Speaker 1: and just seeing just bringing a smile to Brianna Taylor's
Speaker 1: mother's face and the family and you know, her sister
Speaker 1: and the aunts and just seeing them come out and enjoy.
Speaker 1: There's a moment at the briver Que, you know, which
Speaker 1: we got a lot of platform, you know, where there's
Speaker 1: playing Jake, I mean kidding the marks, So we're gonna
Speaker 1: be We're gonna be all right, And she was just
Speaker 1: jumping up and we were just in the middle and
Speaker 1: it was just like, you know, even in the tryingness
Speaker 1: of times as we did with so much pain. I
Speaker 1: know she's dealing with pain, we were able to create
Speaker 1: that moment that's gonna be a moment that lasts forever.
Speaker 1: I know, that's gonna be a time that she looks
Speaker 1: back on and be like, y'all remember that moment that
Speaker 1: people look back on. You know what's so interesting about
Speaker 1: that day too, she just got the news before she
Speaker 1: showed up at the Breebeque that there was going to
Speaker 1: be an article to come out later in the week
Speaker 1: that basically attempted to assassinate her daughter's carriage. So she
Speaker 1: knew about that coming into the breebeque and was really sad.
Speaker 1: When she first got this, she was like, I really
Speaker 1: kind of want to go home. And I asked her
Speaker 1: to do an interview, to do one or two other things,
Speaker 1: and then we made sure she got food, her family
Speaker 1: member showed up, and over time, as it went on
Speaker 1: and could the day continue, you begin to see her
Speaker 1: realize that just going home to be angry alone wasn't
Speaker 1: going to deal with like any of it. Actually she
Speaker 1: needs to stay there and give people the energy that
Speaker 1: they need to keep fighting. Absolutely. I mean we've always
Speaker 1: had the days and everything that we've ever done, there's
Speaker 1: always a they said or that they criticized us. We
Speaker 1: never are, in fact a d percent sure who the
Speaker 1: days are, but we continue to move forward. I think
Speaker 1: we became very sure who the days well, I mean
Speaker 1: some of the days, oh yeah, we that we found out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were pretty they ended up being pretty clear. But
Speaker 1: I think um for us doing like the organizing that
Speaker 1: we did. You know, one of the things that I
Speaker 1: always tell people all the time, like, y'all are organizers.
Speaker 1: Were organizers too, And I think oftentimes people want to
Speaker 1: question each other's strategy, like anybody knows better than anybody.
Speaker 1: And and one of the principles of non violence that
Speaker 1: we practice is, you know, suspend your judgments, ask some questions.
Speaker 1: If there's something that's not clear to you, pick up
Speaker 1: the phone and call somebody and ask some questions. I
Speaker 1: think we're in a type of culture where everybody would
Speaker 1: have questioned you have, would have a commentary you have,
Speaker 1: it goes online before it goes back to the actual
Speaker 1: people that you know are actually doing the work. I mean,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be questioned um about you know, our intentions,
Speaker 1: or you could criticize our approach. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that we're above critique, and then we should never be
Speaker 1: above critique. But I think a lot of people know
Speaker 1: us well enough to know what we've done in the
Speaker 1: last two decades and and and not also how strategic
Speaker 1: we are, Like everybody knows that about us. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're not We didn't just show up to the movement.
Speaker 1: And I think oftentimes the critiques come up from up
Speaker 1: place like like we just started doing this. But then
Speaker 1: if that's the case, then perhaps I'm wrong for for
Speaker 1: saying that the fights given to Lebron by President Obama
Speaker 1: was Um, she just said all this stuff. But the
Speaker 1: thing is this, you know, she said, you're not above critique, right,
Speaker 1: So so when you look at the situation, you look
Speaker 1: at the time, and you look at what the move
Speaker 1: at the moment, the moment called for, and you understood
Speaker 1: that when Lebron and other teams who said we're not
Speaker 1: gonna play, the ripple effected cost throughout just the world,
Speaker 1: you know, the sports world, Baseball players started playing the
Speaker 1: tennis party stuff plays. So when you when you see
Speaker 1: what you did and understand that every owner, everybody had
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, what do we need to do to
Speaker 1: fix this? And you didn't utilize that time to actually
Speaker 1: fix the problem because we went there saying, you know
Speaker 1: that Jacob Blake was shot and this was a catastrophe
Speaker 1: and we wasn't like he said, thuk, this ship were tied, right.
Speaker 1: That was his his words. So if you wanted in
Speaker 1: you had a conversation. I don't I don't want to
Speaker 1: put a lot of burden on you, but I'm asking
Speaker 1: you what was the decision that made you say, decided
Speaker 1: to start some social justice initiatives within each team so
Speaker 1: that each team has an opportunity to really figure out
Speaker 1: what they can do to be a better part of
Speaker 1: this fight. So that's important. And then they also decided
Speaker 1: that many of the stadiums are going to be open
Speaker 1: for voting. So what about Jacob Blake? How does that
Speaker 1: help Jacob Blake? Because I thought I thought that I
Speaker 1: RESI I thought the strikes was because you were mad
Speaker 1: at butout what happened to jacoble I think that the
Speaker 1: players in Minnesota, I mean not in Milwaukee, being that
Speaker 1: they were from the town when this happened. We're angry
Speaker 1: about what they wanted to make A shows up there
Speaker 1: and say we're not playing. So if you weren't playing,
Speaker 1: then what were you not playing for? You were just mad?
Speaker 1: Or did you want to see some results? Did you
Speaker 1: want to see officers fired? Did you want to see
Speaker 1: officers charged? Like? What was it about? Okay, well, Angelo,
Speaker 1: maybe you have an opinions my senses. I think even
Speaker 1: for us being a little the we're in a movement
Speaker 1: right now, right and national uprisings. The world is changing
Speaker 1: and being transformed. But there's moments in the course of
Speaker 1: a movement that emerge, and in those moments you can
Speaker 1: take the movement forward, or you could reel it back
Speaker 1: in and the NBA where they were in one of
Speaker 1: those moments where it was like holding weight. The movement
Speaker 1: is happening, a moment has opened it up specifically for
Speaker 1: you and what you do, I'm going to carry the
Speaker 1: movement further by honoring and capturing your moment or are
Speaker 1: you gonna do the opposite and set us back five paces? Right?
Speaker 1: And that's what they did. And the challenges I think
Speaker 1: for folks who don't do this work, because I think
Speaker 1: our perspective and our legs is different. Folks who don't
Speaker 1: do this work, they have to make a sacrifice. They
Speaker 1: have to say, you know what, if I do this,
Speaker 1: I'm risking something, but it's going to take us further.
Speaker 1: It might not take me individually further, it will take
Speaker 1: us collectively further. And I think so for some folks,
Speaker 1: that's too much. The rest that was, that's too much
Speaker 1: to ask when they haven't done it, and it makes
Speaker 1: sense to cut you off. That was a statement that
Speaker 1: the way Howard that made prior to even the season starts.
Speaker 1: You know, he was saying, you know, I would love
Speaker 1: nothing more than to win my first championship. But the
Speaker 1: unity in the championship with my people, that it's something
Speaker 1: that's even greater. And that was this moment, right because
Speaker 1: since you didn't do it, then okay, everybody's like, well,
Speaker 1: we want to go back. This was the moment and
Speaker 1: you've seen the effects. You've seen once you did it,
Speaker 1: how it ripples down. Everybody was like, oh, we gotta
Speaker 1: stand with you to the owners one in know what
Speaker 1: do we have to do to fix this? So when
Speaker 1: you this thing that you have that leverage and you
Speaker 1: and you forfeited for what. Shaun King tweeted something that
Speaker 1: I thought was so true. He said, I'm glad that
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Bucks did not talk to people about their
Speaker 1: first move before they did it, because people would have
Speaker 1: talked about it as now the moment And that's the
Speaker 1: deep thing about this moment is that it's not over yet.
Speaker 1: No it's not. And they still have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: do something that can be powerful and transformative. It's going
Speaker 1: to cause somebody something though, we'll see and that and
Speaker 1: that's the thing. And so I feel like your from
Speaker 1: your perspective because you're like always the odd ball, right,
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm not black, but yet I'm a valuable
Speaker 1: part of this movement from a strategic perspective, from a
Speaker 1: passion perspective also, you know, and also from the rest
Speaker 1: of us being able to learn. But I feel like
Speaker 1: in your community what I saw when I was in Palestine.
Speaker 1: When I was in Palestine, but I saw as people
Speaker 1: who are willing to sacrifice right and sacrifice big. But
Speaker 1: then you said something when we were speaking earlier today
Speaker 1: about how like there are people Muslims who are part
Speaker 1: of the establishment. Also, like we all have these elements
Speaker 1: of our community that's not necessarily for the most radical,
Speaker 1: Like we're on the radical hinges, right, So you think
Speaker 1: fringes fringes, I mean in my community, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, like in the larger Muslim community here I'm
Speaker 1: in the main stream and there's the establishment. Muslims are
Speaker 1: actually the fringes in our community, which is why I
Speaker 1: say the things that I do, and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of times we got to figure out in every
Speaker 1: community how we become the mainstream. And just back to
Speaker 1: the original conversation criticism, Like I'm not above critique, but
Speaker 1: that don't mean I have to agree with every critique me, right,
Speaker 1: I will listen to advice that you have but it
Speaker 1: may not it mean that I'm going to agree with
Speaker 1: the advice that you have. We have to figure out
Speaker 1: how to all live in spaces and understand that everybody
Speaker 1: plays a different role. You may not like how I do,
Speaker 1: what I do or what and but don't take away
Speaker 1: from me that I also put a lot of work
Speaker 1: and thought into what I'm doing. That know that people
Speaker 1: are not all not everybody is smarter than we are, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that sometimes we won't take advice
Speaker 1: and be like, no, I see what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: You're right, I'm gonna move forward. But a lot of
Speaker 1: times the there's a segment of of of of the movement,
Speaker 1: and sometimes people that are not even in the movement,
Speaker 1: who are critics without credentials, like you try to critique
Speaker 1: a direct action that I'm doing, Like you ain't never
Speaker 1: done a direct action. I said, you want to? You know,
Speaker 1: you're telling me all need to do this, but not
Speaker 1: to do that, or you need to do it. My
Speaker 1: son shouldn't be doing that. What have you done? And
Speaker 1: what is the alternative? And a lot of times, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna come to any group of people or any
Speaker 1: movement space, show me your track record, show me what
Speaker 1: you got and show me where your expertise comes that
Speaker 1: you could tell me not to do this or not
Speaker 1: to say this kind of messaging. And in the Muslim
Speaker 1: American community, we had to get to a point where
Speaker 1: who's going to be the mainstream boys, who's representative? And so,
Speaker 1: you know, even when it comes to a lot of
Speaker 1: the you know, controversy that I've been a part of,
Speaker 1: everybody else thinks it's a controversy. MI commity, don't think
Speaker 1: it's a controversy. My committee is like whatever she said,
Speaker 1: because that's important, and that's important, and I think all
Speaker 1: of us, you know, the in the movement right now,
Speaker 1: we've got to be the mainstream because what people try
Speaker 1: to do is they try to push you to one side.
Speaker 1: So everybody, the Martin Luther King types are trying to
Speaker 1: grab the stokely Car Michael types, and the stokely Car
Speaker 1: Michael types want to take the Martin Luther King's folks
Speaker 1: and bring over here. Why don't you all just let
Speaker 1: everybody be and everybody do what you do the best
Speaker 1: way that you can do it. And at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, when we all stay in our lane,
Speaker 1: stay in our roles and do the work we could
Speaker 1: be Malcolm, car Michael, everybody that's called me that like,
Speaker 1: because I believe all of their strategies combined is just
Speaker 1: gonna get us fruit. And and just like you said,
Speaker 1: like there has Like you said, I believe that our
Speaker 1: people have to have that same mentality like the things
Speaker 1: that the controversy, it can't be controversy to us. We
Speaker 1: can't allow outside people to dictate what's wrong within our communities. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also what my my saying doing something that I feel
Speaker 1: is right. If I really am, if this is like
Speaker 1: my life, I'm all about it and I want to
Speaker 1: get free, I'm gonna grab my brother mice to the
Speaker 1: side and be like, come over and lets you and
Speaker 1: me have a conversation so I could understand when where
Speaker 1: you coming from. But what we do is we display
Speaker 1: our divisions and the cracks in the movement, and then
Speaker 1: the white supremacists know how to fit themselves right in
Speaker 1: and that's what they do well. The challenges to the
Speaker 1: other power brokers in the black community. They don't want
Speaker 1: to mainstream these things. They want they don't want radical ideas,
Speaker 1: thoughts and shrug is to be mainstream. What we actually want,
Speaker 1: And what they do is it's just a fetish. It's
Speaker 1: something I could lift up in a moment and then
Speaker 1: reel back and quick. It doesn't compromise me. It's actually cool.
Speaker 1: But if it becomes mainstream, then you are no longer
Speaker 1: the power broker, and they don't want to compromise that position.
Speaker 1: So they're very careful the ways in which they engage
Speaker 1: radical thought. Radical thought is only something that they play with.
Speaker 1: It's a dessert, like it's not the entre. And what
Speaker 1: we're saying is we want this thing to be the
Speaker 1: entree in black life. And that's where they're like, hold on,
Speaker 1: real that and that can't be what we're dealing because
Speaker 1: it compromises you because you're in the position because this
Speaker 1: other kind of passive ideology and approaches are made you
Speaker 1: and me. Angelo gotta go, You really got to go
Speaker 1: to ask this one question. How long are we going
Speaker 1: to be in Kentucky until we get just is that
Speaker 1: a real thing? Is that? Is that real? It has
Speaker 1: to be some Sometimes it's just like you just can't
Speaker 1: have an attorney general. That's just like we're gonna see
Speaker 1: what's happening. But what if they say just no, and
Speaker 1: it's five years later that we're still we listen to
Speaker 1: me already committed, You already committed to group families listen,
Speaker 1: but we already committed to To be clear, is that
Speaker 1: if I'm committed to a city and committed to a case,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean I have to always physically live here,
Speaker 1: like us being able to travel here, build some infrastructure,
Speaker 1: which we have committed to doing here, making sure people
Speaker 1: have a space to organize so that when we come
Speaker 1: we have a place to organize as well, and being
Speaker 1: able to maintain our relationships with local folks, make make
Speaker 1: sure that we are still you know, being ambassadors to
Speaker 1: their work and making sure that we're attracting resources to
Speaker 1: their work. That for me still means that I'm still
Speaker 1: in community with you. So I'm always going to be
Speaker 1: in community with you until you get the results of
Speaker 1: what you've been working for, which is to get not
Speaker 1: really just justice for Brianna Taylor, because that is why
Speaker 1: we came, but I think once you get justice for
Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor, it sets a type of precedent in power
Speaker 1: for people to get other things. And I think it's
Speaker 1: a revolutionary the idea that you're going to use a
Speaker 1: tactic or strategy that isn't used often that you don't
Speaker 1: see folks currently using. To me, that's what you have
Speaker 1: to do. You have to do something different to get
Speaker 1: new results. Because the results that we've gotten or as
Speaker 1: a result of what we've done, and it hasn't been
Speaker 1: far enough, it hasn't been what we're seeking. So I
Speaker 1: think this is what you have to do. And I
Speaker 1: think you also have to show people first that I'm
Speaker 1: willing to sacrifice and do something others may not right
Speaker 1: because the idea that others will sacrifice without having seen sacrifice,
Speaker 1: it's just not going to And also like for for us,
Speaker 1: like I don't need anybody to say, oh we sacrificed
Speaker 1: or oh my god, how you know amazing or incredible
Speaker 1: we are. But the bottom line is we did. You know,
Speaker 1: no one who's from New York City is trying to
Speaker 1: move to Louisville, Kentucky. You know that's not exactly the
Speaker 1: first priority choice of a place you'd want to move to.
Speaker 1: We all have kids, We left kids behind, we left
Speaker 1: elderly parents behind in a global pandemic. And and this
Speaker 1: is the moment where what we don't see often and
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we don't see that at all, because
Speaker 1: there are elements of our community that are sacrificing their careers,
Speaker 1: their lives and children, putting it all on the line.
Speaker 1: And the question is how do we get more of
Speaker 1: those folks out in the streets. And you and I
Speaker 1: Angelo that mom got some places to because we have
Speaker 1: some direct actions to well, we appreciate these are the
Speaker 1: co founders of Until Freedom, Angelo Pinto, and then just
Speaker 1: started to make him out of my song until Freedom,
Speaker 1: Until Freedom, Freedom, Until Freedom Freedom. That was contemplating my
Speaker 1: thoughts of the but certainly my thought of today and
Speaker 1: for this show. And when we talk about like black
Speaker 1: panther right thinking about Chadwick and just what it means
Speaker 1: to make it to a black panther, what I believe
Speaker 1: is necessary and I think you agree, is that we
Speaker 1: need a Sulma Alabama or Montgongery bus boycott moment, like
Speaker 1: we have to either get bloody or or or snatch
Speaker 1: people's pocketbooks. And I don't mean it in the robbing
Speaker 1: people since I mean because of course, but I do
Speaker 1: mean in a sense of like really hitting America in
Speaker 1: his pocket. So it's one thing or the other I
Speaker 1: don't think that we can get where it is that
Speaker 1: we're trying to go in terms of what it looks
Speaker 1: like to truly be free by asking at this point,
Speaker 1: because I think we've done everything, you know, even in
Speaker 1: this debate about the n B a right and and
Speaker 1: how the NBA's strike, because they did strike for at
Speaker 1: least one day, how it could be or could not
Speaker 1: be impactful when people are like, well, if they stay
Speaker 1: and they continue to play, they can make and have
Speaker 1: an impact just by being on the court. And it's
Speaker 1: like they had T shirts they have, they've been doing
Speaker 1: it and doing a damn good job. And I had
Speaker 1: a conversation with somebody today and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: they've been doing it right, and it's and it's just
Speaker 1: like what's happened in movement, right, we've been matching, and
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of people like you're marching does
Speaker 1: nothing right. And I understood, and I started to realize
Speaker 1: what started to happen as we started to protest and
Speaker 1: the protests was making them uncomfortable because they didn't want
Speaker 1: to do the work and they didn't know what was happening.
Speaker 1: What they started to do is dictate how protest with right,
Speaker 1: they started to the city of the officials, the government,
Speaker 1: and then they started to say, you know what, we
Speaker 1: don't need to be uncomfortable. We just need to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you all the streets. You know, the
Speaker 1: man said, let them. Let them go out there. They
Speaker 1: have just as long as they're not violent, long as
Speaker 1: nothing's happening. And we give you the street, and we
Speaker 1: tell you where to march, and we tun of you
Speaker 1: and we watch you and you go home and you
Speaker 1: felt like you did something, but we still ain't changing nothing,
Speaker 1: right because we didn't. You didn't do anything that wanted
Speaker 1: us to do anything. You just marched. A bunch of
Speaker 1: people came outside. We heard you, and we let you screaming.
Speaker 1: You know, we said that was cool, thank you, and
Speaker 1: we didn't do anything. Unfortunately, when they stopped being able
Speaker 1: to dictate how we protest, when we started to when
Speaker 1: she started to get broken, and how we started to
Speaker 1: get flooded and people couldn't move and they started to lose,
Speaker 1: you know, money and things like that, they started to
Speaker 1: be changed. And what happened with the NBA. But look
Speaker 1: they started, okay, they're starting to be something. They made
Speaker 1: some laws that have got changed. This is true, not
Speaker 1: not signific not enough. And that's what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: explain to you. Like in the last couple of months
Speaker 1: of these protests, more laws and changes have been made
Speaker 1: that I've seen in the last seven or eight years.
Speaker 1: That's well, at least, I'll say this, because when we
Speaker 1: say laws have actually been changed, I'm having a hard time, right,
Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time thinking of which laws specifically
Speaker 1: that have actually been changed are in effect in this moment.
Speaker 1: What I know is that more has been introduced and
Speaker 1: more people, more legislators are having to sort of shift
Speaker 1: to the left, if you will, or to shift towards
Speaker 1: a more progressive, hard left position and saying that they
Speaker 1: will say, what we're talking about Brianna Taylor's law, Well,
Speaker 1: that's true, Brihanna's Brianna's law in Louisville. That's one place
Speaker 1: they's talking about doing it. George Floyd's lawd right, But
Speaker 1: those have been introduced, those have been introduced, and they've
Speaker 1: been and people have saying we need to do these days.
Speaker 1: So the people are championing these laws and these bills.
Speaker 1: Prior to that, they were just like there was a conversation.
Speaker 1: We regarden got choked in we protests for days, there
Speaker 1: was but there was nothing that really happened for five
Speaker 1: for five years, all we finally got was him after
Speaker 1: five years well, and then after right after that, some things,
Speaker 1: to your point, have been done. You talked about honest
Speaker 1: law and then I guess the chokehold bills across the
Speaker 1: country where everybody's trying to make sure that they've been chokehold.
Speaker 1: So these things are important. I'm not trying to take
Speaker 1: it away. And I think you're right that we've seen
Speaker 1: more of a radical position from some of our elected
Speaker 1: officials since these movements have been happening. And by the way, um,
Speaker 1: you know, if you think about all of you know
Speaker 1: what we've been able to accomplish. I'm talking about as
Speaker 1: a people just in terms of the movements that we've had.
Speaker 1: It always has been based upon town is burning, people dying, um,
Speaker 1: and they're being an extreme, the movement being having factions
Speaker 1: of it that were extreme. That's just the truth. I
Speaker 1: think some of us want to be at a place
Speaker 1: where we can actually have a protest and then there
Speaker 1: be changed and not have to get to the point
Speaker 1: where people have to be arrested. People have to give
Speaker 1: up their freedom, People have to you know, and fight
Speaker 1: those who want to burn down. But there has to
Speaker 1: be a consequence. And that's what and that's what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to tell you, And that's what I was talking
Speaker 1: about the n b A. And when they sit down
Speaker 1: and they say, you know, we're gonna have a meeting
Speaker 1: and we're able to have Black Lives Matter on the floor,
Speaker 1: we have jerseys. Those things are beautiful, but what what
Speaker 1: what do these owners? What do the government plan to
Speaker 1: lose from these things? Those are things that can pacify you.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying and I understand what you're saying,
Speaker 1: but for me, it's like if I let you do that, right,
Speaker 1: if I'm saying, look, all I gotta do is let
Speaker 1: you with jerseys that say black Lives matter, and I
Speaker 1: lose a million dollars and you're gonna come to work
Speaker 1: every day and get billions of dollars from me. And
Speaker 1: that's all I'm gonna let you do is do that.
Speaker 1: And what does that take from me? Because right now
Speaker 1: the whole world is saying black lives matter, So you're
Speaker 1: not doing anything that's revolutionary. Right now, everybody the most
Speaker 1: racist person got a Black Lives Matter saying something black
Speaker 1: lives because it's candy and they know they can't say
Speaker 1: it's not the most racist. Well listen to me. Well,
Speaker 1: the quiet racist, the quiet racist person is is openly saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm in a Black Lives Matter movement, So what are
Speaker 1: you doing to shift something? Because they well they they
Speaker 1: they try to fill a need and the need that
Speaker 1: in this moment people are not going to be able
Speaker 1: to vote properly, and being able to turn these stadiums
Speaker 1: in some of the stadiums across the country into locations
Speaker 1: polling locations where people can go to vote, that in
Speaker 1: itself is a really significant deal maker. But that should
Speaker 1: have been alongside because Jacob Blake was the reason why
Speaker 1: people were mad right Milwaukee said they're not playing because
Speaker 1: they watched Jacob Blake is shot seven times in his back,
Speaker 1: and Lebron sent on TV and said, they could have
Speaker 1: tackled him, man, they could have grabbed him, they could
Speaker 1: have did all types of things. There's no way that
Speaker 1: you could tell me that they're supposed to shoot that man.
Speaker 1: So he acknowledged that these people did a criminal act.
Speaker 1: So if none of your demands called for the criminals
Speaker 1: who shot that demand to be have some level accountability.
Speaker 1: Then what did we do for Jacob Blake? What happened
Speaker 1: in Jacob Blake because we decided, So we decided that
Speaker 1: going to the polls to vote right where to vote,
Speaker 1: And honestly, people don't even know who they want to
Speaker 1: vote for people, and we know who we need to
Speaker 1: vote for, and we're gonna go do it because most
Speaker 1: of us have no choice or feel we don't, and
Speaker 1: some people really not. But the reality of the situation is,
Speaker 1: how does that help Jacob Blake? Well, because I guess
Speaker 1: the whole point is that it started as in Milwaukee
Speaker 1: Bucks situation, but then it expanded to being beyond just
Speaker 1: him and lebron and others. Well, because the urgency was
Speaker 1: not a Jacob Blake urgency. Jacob Blake just became a
Speaker 1: straw that broke the camel's back. So people have been
Speaker 1: frustrated all over the country. And the question is, how
Speaker 1: does your your local demand become a part of a
Speaker 1: bigger movement and how did you impact change from a
Speaker 1: larger perspective. And I think that from their perspective, the
Speaker 1: voting piece is super important because we know that it
Speaker 1: is definite. Until you I don't really see it. I
Speaker 1: don't really see it as important because I have not
Speaker 1: heard Biden said we need to defund the police. I
Speaker 1: haven't heard Biden say the ship that's going on, we
Speaker 1: need to all the way change. I have not heard
Speaker 1: him take this position on the way he's going to change.
Speaker 1: The way that Jacob Blake died to wear some significance. Now,
Speaker 1: if you were telling me that we're about to get somebody,
Speaker 1: I know it's going to radically change the criminal justice
Speaker 1: system to a way that what happened to Jacob Blake
Speaker 1: would never happen again. Then I can almost see that
Speaker 1: to where it benefits. But nothing about voting is gonna
Speaker 1: help Jacob Blake. WHOA, I agree with that. I think
Speaker 1: that it's it's that people are upset with me because
Speaker 1: I said that if Obama, Um, well we talked about
Speaker 1: this already. But if Obama, if his position was that
Speaker 1: Lebron and the should go back to work, and if
Speaker 1: that's part of the advice that he gave them, I
Speaker 1: think it's a pitiful piece of advitment too, because I
Speaker 1: don't understand how working before for the system. Who has
Speaker 1: an opportunity to change who these because listen, these owners
Speaker 1: a billionaires who lobby for these people who are getting
Speaker 1: voted in, who sit there and say, hey, we need
Speaker 1: to make sure we don't pay these amount of taxes.
Speaker 1: We need to make sure this, so we're gonna donate
Speaker 1: to campaigns. So one of the donations they made the
Speaker 1: campaign should be like, yeah, need to put some police accountability,
Speaker 1: We need to change laws that make sure that these
Speaker 1: things don't happen. And if you're not calling out these
Speaker 1: owners to do that, then what are you going to
Speaker 1: play for? But all of these things are definitely connected,
Speaker 1: and I think that from the NBA player's perspective, their goal,
Speaker 1: like you know, they're trying to figure out which is
Speaker 1: it's a It's a tricky thing. How do I maintain
Speaker 1: the camaraderie of our family, the group, how we came
Speaker 1: here doing what we love doing, what has helped many
Speaker 1: of these young men to be able to get out
Speaker 1: off the streets to take care of their families. How
Speaker 1: do we maintain that and still make demands at the
Speaker 1: same time. My position is when people look at us
Speaker 1: and say, well, you know, why are we being divisive
Speaker 1: by calling out some of what we see happening, which
Speaker 1: I don't even think we're calling it out, because I
Speaker 1: certainly am I've said many time, but I have said
Speaker 1: many times that I'm not even I also, I definitely
Speaker 1: understand the challenge that these black men are facing in
Speaker 1: this moment. I've said that many times. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: I wasn't the one that said I was going I
Speaker 1: wanted them to strike. I'm just trying to say, like,
Speaker 1: it wasn't us. It wasn't us that came up with
Speaker 1: the strike. They came up with the strike. So then
Speaker 1: we said, okay, good, this is another layer to our movement.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. And I and I and I and
Speaker 1: and and I think it's so important for us to
Speaker 1: know which people don't want to hear us say. But
Speaker 1: there's not been many things that we have gained just
Speaker 1: because we voted. The Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, UH,
Speaker 1: the Housing Act, Fair Housing Act. None of them were
Speaker 1: one because we voted. They were one because there were
Speaker 1: strong movements on the ground, where the movements were so
Speaker 1: powerful that the leadership, the elected officials, and the powers
Speaker 1: that be had no choice no matter which party they
Speaker 1: were a part of. No matter what their ideologies were,
Speaker 1: no matter how racist they may have been, they had
Speaker 1: to shift because the economic structure was crumbling based upon
Speaker 1: the movement. And so I don't see. So I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know how this will all work. But I
Speaker 1: have to say that President Obama is very clear because
Speaker 1: he knows the numbers and he knows the hashtags, he
Speaker 1: knows the names that although we voted for him, there
Speaker 1: are many people who we had hashtagged that died or
Speaker 1: were murdered under his presidency. That means that just voting
Speaker 1: is not enough. That's the best event where you can
Speaker 1: say we picked the best president most people feel we
Speaker 1: had and we still and I love Obama. I love
Speaker 1: Obama like he's my second you listen. I love Obama.
Speaker 1: But when you become president, First of all, I think everyone,
Speaker 1: no one is above critique, no one is above critique.
Speaker 1: But when you become president of the United States, you
Speaker 1: move yourself into a category where people now have the
Speaker 1: right to challenge your advice. Um. I don't think we
Speaker 1: should be in your personal business, because I never think
Speaker 1: that that's something that we should be doing, but certainly
Speaker 1: when it impacts the ways in which we as a society,
Speaker 1: as a society will continue to operate. I think we
Speaker 1: have the right to critique and not And they said, well,
Speaker 1: the fact that you use the word pitiful is disrespectful.
Speaker 1: Well guess what I didn't say, President Obama was pitiful.
Speaker 1: This is one of the most incredible leaders we've ever had.
Speaker 1: But I will say that that advice becomes a part
Speaker 1: of a pitiful system of you know, let's try the
Speaker 1: same things over and over again with a little salt
Speaker 1: on it and see whether or not there's gonna be
Speaker 1: something different. And and you know what, my my whole
Speaker 1: position and is eventually they'll get no a little crazy
Speaker 1: until it started raining, and we're gonna come back to
Speaker 1: where we are no matter what. Um So listen, My
Speaker 1: don't get it. It's really simple, you know. I just
Speaker 1: don't get while we still have to fight for Brianna
Speaker 1: Taylor to get cops arrested, like, I don't I don't forget.
Speaker 1: I just don't get. Almost six months later, a woman
Speaker 1: who was killed in a home shot. Why do black
Speaker 1: people stay killed killed? It's killed killed, she was killed, killed, killed,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. Black people say the
Speaker 1: lady was killed, she was killed in a home, you know,
Speaker 1: and we're still fighting just to get somebody to be
Speaker 1: held accountable. Man that we've had over just with our
Speaker 1: organizations that long, we've had over a hundred and fifty arrests,
Speaker 1: but they still haven't arrested cops that kill Briana Taylor.
Speaker 1: And I just don't get that for me, you know,
Speaker 1: It's it's a spit in the face when you talk
Speaker 1: about the democracy, when you talk about the justice system,
Speaker 1: when you're talking thinking what hundred and fifty people is
Speaker 1: he talking about? Is this man crazy? And then I
Speaker 1: begin to add up the numbers and you're right, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and and it's it's sad for me. It's
Speaker 1: sad that fifty people have got arrested and these officers
Speaker 1: haven't been arrested. Maybe it's because we haven't been working
Speaker 1: on getting polling centers open, that's what it is, so
Speaker 1: the poland centers will get them arrested. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: we really need a different because I think we need
Speaker 1: all of the strategies because we're on the grounds they're
Speaker 1: supposed to be in those rooms and people gonna be like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm not. And that's what I think we should say.
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I think people are trying to
Speaker 1: say about Lebron and them let them go to work
Speaker 1: and use their platform from their base. What they keep
Speaker 1: saying the same thing. They've been saying that, and I
Speaker 1: love that they're saying it right, but maybe they can kneel,
Speaker 1: but they But the thing is kneeling doesn't even matter
Speaker 1: no more because the NFL saying it was wrong about happening.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't let him kneel If they don't that what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell you all of this is performative.
Speaker 1: They will allow you to do anything that makes you
Speaker 1: look black right now, you can. The more black you are,
Speaker 1: the more they want to attach theirselves to you. Right now,
Speaker 1: every corporation wants to donate hundreds of millions of dollars
Speaker 1: to the Vielm who's the Black Lives Matter organization. I
Speaker 1: want to donate. I want to seem like I'm really
Speaker 1: doing something. I want to give up this hundred millions
Speaker 1: so I can keep making this hundred billions, so I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I want to be on the right side of these people,
Speaker 1: right But we understand that when you start to cut
Speaker 1: the economics, when athletes start saying we're not playing. Then
Speaker 1: the hundreds of billions of dollars start losing, and then
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, something's going wrong. Drastic changes to be changed.
Speaker 1: It has to be people saying, you know what, I
Speaker 1: know that I don't gotta. It's gonna take the top
Speaker 1: NBA players and the top NFL players to say, you
Speaker 1: know what, We're gonna pay everybody's bills for for about
Speaker 1: six seven months we were not going to work. We're
Speaker 1: saying we we opted out this this season. We're gonna
Speaker 1: strike until we actually get substantiardi change, until we see
Speaker 1: something that to change, you know, and and when you
Speaker 1: do that, then you'll see your power. I think we
Speaker 1: don't exercise our power so much that we don't even
Speaker 1: realize we have. You know, it's like everybody. It's like
Speaker 1: the people that that work in the building think that
Speaker 1: they work for the boss with the boss knows the
Speaker 1: minute y'all stopped working, I ain't got enohing. It's like
Speaker 1: a system. It's like you you want to tell you
Speaker 1: how because we started doing you know, the little um
Speaker 1: what was it, the the sux suit thing was doing
Speaker 1: and this is how life is. No I wasn't doing
Speaker 1: no soon soon. I don't know what people wanted about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I never agreed that we didn't. But when they we
Speaker 1: started talking about as you started realizing it works is
Speaker 1: when you participate and admitted that somebody stops, it stops,
Speaker 1: and you don't even realize that. People think the system
Speaker 1: only works when people participate in. The machine only moves
Speaker 1: when all the pieces of movement and we inside this
Speaker 1: machine and we think that it's gonna work without us,
Speaker 1: and we're scared to get over. That's what somebody said
Speaker 1: on my page. They'll just come up with another NBA now.
Speaker 1: They won't ever get It's impossible because once you take,
Speaker 1: once you take the air out of it, it would
Speaker 1: never have the same value until it actually reckons with
Speaker 1: the initial reason why the greatest stars walked away from it.
Speaker 1: But I don't think we're there yet. I think I
Speaker 1: still have and I don't think that we just as
Speaker 1: we take radical and I thought, but we understand what
Speaker 1: it's gonna take to really make change. So I just
Speaker 1: don't get it. Man, Well, drastic change requires drastic measures. Yes, Well,
Speaker 1: once again we had another dope episode of street Politicians.
Speaker 1: We have something comment though, it's coming like a larger
Speaker 1: platform for street politicians, a different platform that people are
Speaker 1: gonna be hearing about soon. But we wanted to while
Speaker 1: we're in Louisville and make sure that we do an
Speaker 1: episode just to talk about a lot of things. I
Speaker 1: feel like there's still so much more we can talk about.
Speaker 1: And what does we have a new initiative? Oh so
Speaker 1: definitely because during Brianna Con is so important that we
Speaker 1: make sure to tell people that during Brianna Con. One
Speaker 1: of the things that we gave away for free, for
Speaker 1: free entrepreneurs free free, because we didn't get anything. An
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Speaker 1: can get a lot of tips and tools for becoming
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur and and really engaging, how to become how
Speaker 1: to start your your corporations, everything, how to get your
Speaker 1: relationships established with other individuals in your industry. And so
Speaker 1: we gave away enough of the programs, uh to make
Speaker 1: up I think like at one point three million dollars
Speaker 1: in giveaways and people have signed up a lot of
Speaker 1: local Louisville folks who understand gentrification. There's a lot happening,
Speaker 1: as you said, with poverty and other issues which is
Speaker 1: the same in every black community we travel to across America. UM,
Speaker 1: but here, uh, you know a lot of people are
Speaker 1: looking for like what's next, and I think the entrepreneurship
Speaker 1: program is so powerful. So if people still want to
Speaker 1: know about it, you can DM Street Politicians at Street
Speaker 1: Politicians Pod at Street Politicians Pod and we'll get to
Speaker 1: see your information in there. It was a great episode, great, great,
Speaker 1: awesome episode. Once again, you know, we can't do this
Speaker 1: work without you, guys man, so thank you for supporting us. Man.
Speaker 1: People say you, how can we port you unto freedom?
Speaker 1: What can we do? You know, you I don't take donations.
Speaker 1: We take investments. We call it investment investing in our
Speaker 1: in our freedom. So you know, we we don't feel
Speaker 1: like to feel like it's charity because we all have
Speaker 1: to believe that freedom is possible and we're doing our parts.
Speaker 1: So you can go follow Until Freedom, you know, and
Speaker 1: you'll see different ways that you can get involved with
Speaker 1: the organization or just invest if you can't come out
Speaker 1: and just be personally involved. So once again we want
Speaker 1: to say thank you for all of the supporters for
Speaker 1: Until Freedom and Street Politicians Pod. You know me and
Speaker 1: Tamika will not always agree. I'm not gonna always be
Speaker 1: right and she's not gonna always be wrong, but we're
Speaker 1: always gonna be authentic. That's how we owe it, that's
Speaker 1: how we owe that