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Speaker 1: Good morning, guys, today is Tuesday, a beautiful day here
Speaker 1: in Oxnar. I am joined by Nick Eatman David Hellman,
Speaker 1: and we have a graded Derek's position to mister Nate Newton.
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Speaker 1: an episode we've got. We've got Nate and the Keys. Well,
Speaker 1: you see, Dave just could not help it today. He
Speaker 1: felt threatened by nate appearance here today and he did
Speaker 1: one night to steal the show, and he decided to
Speaker 1: go out with the Lebron James Lakers jersey. It's a
Speaker 1: beautiful morning in the LA area. We got a morning
Speaker 1: practice and I just felt like repping the goat the
Speaker 1: best basketball player ever, Lebron. I don't need your bads
Speaker 1: on today. Oh crap, It's fine. I'll throw it over
Speaker 1: my shoulder and mess it up your Cedric Saba's jersey.
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Speaker 1: he looks very um. Rob Phillips told me buy me
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Speaker 1: this anyway. Okay, well let's get right in to the show.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be doing a forty minute show today, cutting
Speaker 1: it a little bit short since the cowboys will be
Speaker 1: doing in morning practice today. Padded practiced supposedly, and then
Speaker 1: the walkthrough will be this afternoon. Yesterday was kind of
Speaker 1: somewhat of an not really boring practice, but we kind
Speaker 1: of slowed down a little bit from what we are
Speaker 1: used to seeing, maybe getting the boys a little tired
Speaker 1: at this point. And anyways, just real quick, some news.
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. He was on pads and dressed up in
Speaker 1: Union's form. He didn't really do anything like you know
Speaker 1: part of individual. That's all the Yeah, we perfect model.
Speaker 1: If you want to see what a football player should
Speaker 1: look like, right, they should put him in back at
Speaker 1: this Star with the other guys because he would look
Speaker 1: perfect in his uniform. Maneu Mannequans have done more than
Speaker 1: he has the last two years. Hopefully we can start
Speaker 1: actually doing. So what what is the point of getting
Speaker 1: him in pads and throwing him out there but not
Speaker 1: necessarily doing those kinds of things with the team? Um,
Speaker 1: I think you just don't want a guy that hasn't
Speaker 1: done anything for two years to rush back out there
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden that's they just screams
Speaker 1: hamstring injury right off the bat. So they're trying to
Speaker 1: be cautious with us, but at the same time, he
Speaker 1: does need to kind of show them what he can do.
Speaker 1: They've been very patient with him, so like, why change
Speaker 1: it now? You're you're talking about Jason Garrett here, who
Speaker 1: is his coach. That's so meticulous that he rehearsed the
Speaker 1: way that they're going to do stretch line for their
Speaker 1: game against San Francisco. I mean, if he can find
Speaker 1: a way to rehearse every single thing, he's going to.
Speaker 1: So put him in some pads, get him used to
Speaker 1: the weight of it and the feel of it. Let
Speaker 1: him do some individuals do. What do you think them
Speaker 1: You actually, you're the one guy up there that's actually
Speaker 1: played it. And if I would agree with that, if
Speaker 1: the pass way what they're not the same pads you are, no,
Speaker 1: And the thing, he's hitting dummies harder than he's gonna
Speaker 1: hit these guys individual, right, they should at least have
Speaker 1: him an individual working, not one of the I saw
Speaker 1: was just only he was over there hitting dummies, and
Speaker 1: those dummies ain't gonna give you no more resistance than
Speaker 1: what one of your teammates are. Now. I understand you
Speaker 1: may not want to get into the rigors of a
Speaker 1: one on one pass rush or something like that, but
Speaker 1: this kid came into camp and he hasn't bent over yet.
Speaker 1: And you know our training staff will push you. You
Speaker 1: know our wait staff will push you, and they can't
Speaker 1: make this kid bend over every time I'm next next,
Speaker 1: So you gotta give him something besides just standing up
Speaker 1: looking like a mannequin. Like, for the record, I agree
Speaker 1: with you, but I'm telling like that that just fits
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's emo. You know, step by step, meticulous, cover
Speaker 1: every aspect of it before to throw them out there.
Speaker 1: I agree when you say, Jason Garrett, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: how you're doing, guys. I mean three hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: five straight days of Hey, I understand how we're doing guys. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna move on to talk some the cornerbacks
Speaker 1: of this team. Cheeto, we know he'd been dealing with
Speaker 1: some knee injury and he was back at it again yesterday.
Speaker 1: Not sure if I mean, I'm sure the training staff
Speaker 1: knows what they're doing, but he an. I thought it
Speaker 1: was like he was wearing a little knee wrapping. Say
Speaker 1: he limped off with the little ankle injury, but that
Speaker 1: was that's not what's been setting right, Okay, he was
Speaker 1: wrapped up and honestly, to your point, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to question anybody's toughness, but that's
Speaker 1: just the way this goes a training camp is guy
Speaker 1: dings himself up. He want to be careful with him
Speaker 1: and not compromise him for meaningful reps. I didn't think
Speaker 1: we'd see Cheeto for at least a week, so it
Speaker 1: was it was great to see him out I mean,
Speaker 1: he went through a full practice, he did everything, he
Speaker 1: looked really good. I guess it was really just a
Speaker 1: very precautionary thing because I think at the end of
Speaker 1: the day he missed one practice. So that's a great sign. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And now, so I wanted to get into Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: who has been uh talked about this last few days
Speaker 1: since he's been making interceptions on back to back days,
Speaker 1: consecutive days, and somewhat of a guy that last year
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily get to the expectations that everyone had of him.
Speaker 1: He dropped a few balls of what could have been interceptions.
Speaker 1: Now he's catching some eyes now, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: see with you guys, how do you guys think that
Speaker 1: this will affect the hope of having Jordan Lewis step in.
Speaker 1: We had talked about him maybe taking that role away
Speaker 1: from Anthony Brown, but as of right now, it looks
Speaker 1: like a very It's a good problem to have when
Speaker 1: you have two guys that are really good. But just
Speaker 1: your opinion of how this is gonna be. Yeah, cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis Anthony Brown. You know, this is this is
Speaker 1: what I call great competition. Because we started this this
Speaker 1: deal before OTAs we thought that Jordan Luisabille staughter. Okay,
Speaker 1: they bring in Jones and knocked him to the to
Speaker 1: the slot. All this seen, he said, Okay, Jordan's say, hey,
Speaker 1: he's the third guy. Don't worry about starting now. He's
Speaker 1: the fourth guy. Anthony Brown and talking to him what
Speaker 1: Rashard Chris Sharad, what his name Rashard is done? Listen
Speaker 1: to her, you know accent? So hey, when you look
Speaker 1: at these guys, man, he teaches them within what they
Speaker 1: can do. Uh. He don't teach a certain technique that
Speaker 1: you have to do, whereas last year they had a
Speaker 1: certain technique they wanted you to do certain situations. He
Speaker 1: allows them to play and he tweaks them. That helps
Speaker 1: guys like Anthony Brown, Cavan Fraser. Uh, too mature and
Speaker 1: he's found the rhythm because if you look at the
Speaker 1: first few days of practice he didn't look too well.
Speaker 1: But as over there as the training camps go, you
Speaker 1: get better, you get better and not be seeing him
Speaker 1: there here's and you're not You're not wrong at all.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, but it's you know, you tend to
Speaker 1: think of it from one side, as we all expect
Speaker 1: Jordan to be the starter because of where he was drafted.
Speaker 1: The fans want it. Uh, it's it's this storyline that's like, well, hey,
Speaker 1: third round pick played well last year, why isn't he starting?
Speaker 1: And don't think for a second that Anthony Brown doesn't
Speaker 1: know that, because I talked to him last night. That
Speaker 1: dude seems mad. Uh not like not not in a
Speaker 1: bad way at all, but he knows that everybody in
Speaker 1: the world wants to take his job away, Like it
Speaker 1: was readily apparent from talking to him, and he was
Speaker 1: basically he's like, yeah, a lot of people forget that
Speaker 1: I can play pretty well, like and I guarantee you.
Speaker 1: He also knows he had his struggles last year, but
Speaker 1: he's looked pretty good in this last week at camp.
Speaker 1: He's got three picks in the last two days. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's been he was playing outside for a little bit
Speaker 1: while Cheeto was out. He's primarily been the starter in
Speaker 1: the slot. He I think his style it works with
Speaker 1: Chris Chard because he wants him to be aggressive, but
Speaker 1: he's not. Too many guys had the speed Anthony Brown has.
Speaker 1: He he was clocked one and once. I think I
Speaker 1: guess at the combine around four two nine. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's speed. That that's track speed. So you can
Speaker 1: you can make you can catch up when you can
Speaker 1: run like that, so that that allows you to be
Speaker 1: a little closer and take risk and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you get beat by a step or two,
Speaker 1: you can catch up because you've got that kind of speed,
Speaker 1: which I just it's gonna be a fascinating battle because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think they're both
Speaker 1: capable of doing it. I think they've both had their
Speaker 1: moments here at camp. But yeah, to my point, like
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown knows the narrative, I guarantee you he does,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna it. Sounds like he's working like hell
Speaker 1: to to fend that off. It's three guys, Jeff Hea,
Speaker 1: Xavier Wood, and Anthony Brown, all of them guys, and
Speaker 1: I've talked to two of the other guys. They feel
Speaker 1: the same way. They're not mad, but they know that
Speaker 1: somebody's taking coming to take their job, whether it's a
Speaker 1: gout or the team, whether it's a guy on this team.
Speaker 1: They feel that way, and they're competing hard and they're
Speaker 1: playing fast, and Chris Rashad gives them opportunity within this
Speaker 1: scheme to do what they need to do and take
Speaker 1: advantage of the speed. We didn't take advantage of Anthony
Speaker 1: brown speed last year by letting him press a little bit,
Speaker 1: let him take some chances. But when he messed up,
Speaker 1: we should you know, we let the world know it.
Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, I mean to that point, I think
Speaker 1: it's great when you have when you challenge the guys
Speaker 1: and never let them get too comfortable, because then once
Speaker 1: they get comfortable, that's where mistakes start happening. And something
Speaker 1: really interesting that I thought Anthony Brown. We know about
Speaker 1: Saint Geliles and his little drill that he has the
Speaker 1: wide receivers carried those bricks and basically to work on
Speaker 1: that grip and strangen those fingers. And to me, I
Speaker 1: think it's been working. Having seen Terms Williams really dropping passes,
Speaker 1: so catching the ball and Anthony Brown decided to pick
Speaker 1: up the bricks after practice and you know, uh do
Speaker 1: his little work himself. And apparently this is a drill
Speaker 1: that seems to be working for those Hans. You know,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown almost lost the game for him last year
Speaker 1: when he had a chance to pick off a pass
Speaker 1: against the Raiders to just secure the win. And he
Speaker 1: dropped it. The next play was a pass interference penalty.
Speaker 1: They were down there about to score and win the game,
Speaker 1: and then Jeff Heath made the play that he made
Speaker 1: that goats make so but but we kind of forgot
Speaker 1: and had to let Anthony Brown off the hook. He's
Speaker 1: a guy that that he's got this speeded if he
Speaker 1: could catch at four two nine, if you got the speed,
Speaker 1: he'd be playing wide receiver. He said that last night.
Speaker 1: You're right. I mean, it wasn't like it wasn't like
Speaker 1: the whole dB staff went over there. Like he went
Speaker 1: and got Sanjay's bricks out of the tent and was
Speaker 1: just carrying him around on his own, and he's catching
Speaker 1: balls out here. And I asked him about it, and
Speaker 1: he was like, I should have had seven picks last year,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if that's true. I have to
Speaker 1: go back and look, because it had two thousand yards
Speaker 1: by now. Yeah, exactly. I feel like players are always
Speaker 1: a little more friendly to the stats than than reality.
Speaker 1: But I could have done this. You definitely could have
Speaker 1: had three or four. Um. So if it looks like
Speaker 1: it looks like the work that he's doing is translating, uh,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see this carry into the priest. Was
Speaker 1: that the way that it was when when you played,
Speaker 1: was it like always like man, we yeah, we scored
Speaker 1: twenty five points, twenty eight points, we could have had
Speaker 1: forty two. I mean like you look at it that way,
Speaker 1: like there's always stuff, you know, there's always a skill
Speaker 1: position players that look at it that way because we
Speaker 1: always mashing and pushing on folks and we're just glad
Speaker 1: when it's over. You know what I'm saying. When you
Speaker 1: were you playing against a Jerome Brown, Rigi white man,
Speaker 1: I had Rigid, no sacks, It's the game would have
Speaker 1: went on out. I'd have really killed him. No, he'd
Speaker 1: have bitch, you gotta sack, so you just let's just
Speaker 1: get out of here. I was thinking about that, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: like all you know, skill players and pass rushers love
Speaker 1: to like they all wear hoodies and like Zeke had
Speaker 1: a sleeveless hoodie and a long sleeve shirt and like
Speaker 1: all this crap on underneath. You look at the O
Speaker 1: line and it's all just shortly like there's nothing extra.
Speaker 1: They're like, whatever, man, we just we're gonna block these guys,
Speaker 1: and like, I don't need to worry about. Ally, You
Speaker 1: always talking about going up against Reggie and Jerome Brown
Speaker 1: and maybe Leonard Marshall. You never see anything about like
Speaker 1: who was playing for the Cardinals or maybe the Redskins
Speaker 1: or somebody liked the guy the Harvey who was EJ.
Speaker 1: Junior was for itself. I mean they asked, but the
Speaker 1: guy was the Hall of Fame a corner, you know,
Speaker 1: I can't think of his name. Yes, Williams. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was it. Yeah, I mean, I mean they had they
Speaker 1: had a few stuns, had Roy Green, but he was
Speaker 1: at an end of his career, you know. So, Jim Hart,
Speaker 1: I don't even remember, like I mean, I remember it,
Speaker 1: but not well that the Cardinals were even an nfcast team.
Speaker 1: Like all my memories of you talking about brother about
Speaker 1: the playoffs, you talking about a team that will play
Speaker 1: you deep into the fourth quarter and then you all
Speaker 1: you gotta is keep playing and don't make a mistake
Speaker 1: because they don't give it the find in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: They gonna give it to you, oh man, until the
Speaker 1: playoffs when they didn't. Sorry, okay, let's I'm sorry. You
Speaker 1: know that's what Nick does. It's fine, yeah, a little bit, Yeah,
Speaker 1: good get on Cardinals break um Nate you mentioned, Hey,
Speaker 1: that reminds me twenty years ago. I know about twenty
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. I'm standing a few pounds less than this.
Speaker 1: I'm just my first year training camp, whichtall falls standing on.
Speaker 1: There's a goal line drill. They do a sweep to
Speaker 1: the side, and you know, the pulling guards gotta run.
Speaker 1: You run thirty forty yards, gotta hit somebody, hit somebody.
Speaker 1: Sure what happened in the play. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: this lineman just comes running here. I'm just standing here
Speaker 1: kind of out of the way, definitely out of this
Speaker 1: guy's way, and Big sixty one just shoves me for
Speaker 1: no reason. I'm in the media. Pushed me, almost went
Speaker 1: to the ground, and I like looked over and you
Speaker 1: were just like, you know, pulling your pants up, like whatever.
Speaker 1: I hit somebody out here. That was That was me.
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing that. You ever? You ever? You know
Speaker 1: you see the movies Man where they have the avalanche
Speaker 1: and they just started a snowflake and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it just builds up. Yeah, Hey, that's the when
Speaker 1: a guard pulls around my size back then, and it
Speaker 1: was training camp and I was trying to get in shape.
Speaker 1: So when a flap of lanche is on his way,
Speaker 1: get out of the way. When I was out of
Speaker 1: the way, but you just still You just wanted to
Speaker 1: shove me and you couldn't stop. Man, it was a
Speaker 1: flats using you to slow down. Yeah, you got me
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Speaker 1: all right, before the Brave we talked about the corners
Speaker 1: and a few other things. So now we're gonna get
Speaker 1: into the safety and we don't have to discuss We
Speaker 1: always talk about Earl Thomas, a past of all trade,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, but we never really touched on the
Speaker 1: guys that we currently have. We never go and getting
Speaker 1: too how these guys are looking out here. So Cavn Frasier.
Speaker 1: We know we had he had that whole blood problem
Speaker 1: and now he's back on the field problem. That's what
Speaker 1: it was. They They did not really want to get
Speaker 1: a lot more specifically right like what it was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, and obviously, like when it's a medical issue
Speaker 1: keeping a player off the field, it's gonna come out.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't think Cavan really wanted it
Speaker 1: out there, didn't want to go into a lot of specifics.
Speaker 1: I get it, like right now, I don't specifically know
Speaker 1: what it was other than you know, a problem with
Speaker 1: his blood so exactly. So that was a good explanation.
Speaker 1: You say, got to eat more visible so a figure Clotton,
Speaker 1: you know, for a guy who missed the first week
Speaker 1: of camp. I've been really impressed with what I've seen
Speaker 1: from him. Yes he has. He's been nice, he's been aggressive,
Speaker 1: he's been up in the box along with Jeff Heath.
Speaker 1: The guy him standing in the hole is Xavier Woods.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him play close up, and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna stay on Earl Thomas, but that's another guy Woods.
Speaker 1: That feel like, you know what everybody's got Nobody, anybody
Speaker 1: me and Amber included, Like, I'm not in a sense
Speaker 1: in this like nobody is satisfied with that right And
Speaker 1: it would piss me off if I were him. I
Speaker 1: know that. You know. What Broadest brought to my attention
Speaker 1: was tackling. Will he be back there in that hole,
Speaker 1: and will he come up and make the right tackle
Speaker 1: with he missed will fla he did a few times
Speaker 1: during the regular season last year. And when he's out
Speaker 1: here practicing, he don't come up and assure me that,
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna be on top of he always
Speaker 1: putting a hand out there. He better start breaking down
Speaker 1: and getting on top of people. And you know, because
Speaker 1: if I'm looking at it, definitely broadest looking at it,
Speaker 1: don't you know everybody else is looking at it, you know,
Speaker 1: so he can't will if he can't miss any tackles.
Speaker 1: We've talked about it on this show before, but that's
Speaker 1: something that scares me about just safety in general, is
Speaker 1: that it's a hard position to evaluate in this setting.
Speaker 1: Yes it is. You can make the read ten times
Speaker 1: out of ten, you know exactly where you need to
Speaker 1: be get to the ball carrier. Are you gonna make
Speaker 1: the tackle? I mean, you're in position out here and
Speaker 1: it looks great when you watch it on tape, but
Speaker 1: are you gonna make the tackle? And there's no way
Speaker 1: to know that until you're playing a real game, especially
Speaker 1: when you're just just topping. Like I said, and they
Speaker 1: make those noise and they're like that. And that's another
Speaker 1: reason you know, I'm reserved on Jalen Invanderish because linebackers
Speaker 1: in safetiest you don't get to know what they are
Speaker 1: into a game start yep, you know, because they don't
Speaker 1: get the thump out here and covering a guy they
Speaker 1: running behind them a thought. But when you assigned to
Speaker 1: a guy and you you guy who first got out
Speaker 1: and you assigned to that guy, you gotta get on
Speaker 1: him because if you lag like you lag out here,
Speaker 1: it's a touchdown. So yeah, I was just gonna ask
Speaker 1: you about like when you played like was it was
Speaker 1: it completely different? Like you could tell by practice because
Speaker 1: you guys were more physical or hitting out there. You
Speaker 1: can tell you can't. Coaches have a super hell of
Speaker 1: a job trying to get get a player right because
Speaker 1: you draft a guy and right away you know we went.
Speaker 1: We open up our camp with seven on seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: seven on seven, but it was inside run. It was
Speaker 1: our five guys offensive line with a tight end in
Speaker 1: the running back versus the front seven, and we would
Speaker 1: do seven on seven running. But it'd be wide open
Speaker 1: to be man the first day, man, you you soaking
Speaker 1: your hands in an alcohol And I'm glad they don't
Speaker 1: do that now because you don't have enough players to
Speaker 1: do that. And you would mess up your Sarah cap
Speaker 1: I mean you would, you would blow up Sarah cap. Hey.
Speaker 1: You're still the best former player that I've seen in
Speaker 1: the last thirty techns. Pretty good players just walked by.
Speaker 1: Who was about him was a great player for what
Speaker 1: he does and for who he is. Man. But I
Speaker 1: think I think Mike is here today too. Yeah, Irvan,
Speaker 1: I think so well, Nate. You know, it don't matter
Speaker 1: when it comes to skill position players. Yeah, I prefer
Speaker 1: to be Larry Allen. And then I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my boy. Yeah, I'm saying I hain't even do that.
Speaker 1: Let's try to go ahead, Copter to get handled hey
Speaker 1: real quick. We did a top we did a top
Speaker 1: ten list. Um when when Zack Martin signed his deal,
Speaker 1: he signed as a new contract, and we said, hey,
Speaker 1: who's the ten best of guards in Cowboys history? And
Speaker 1: you weren't around when we were doing voting and all that,
Speaker 1: and Larry was number one, and it came down between
Speaker 1: you and Zach Martin at number two, and he was
Speaker 1: most athletic. He was most athletic. Who uh, he's he's
Speaker 1: more athletic than I was. You know, I think it
Speaker 1: was Brad Schamp said. Nate would probably be the first
Speaker 1: one to say, Zach will probably be a little bit better.
Speaker 1: But we had you a solid number three. I'm something, bro.
Speaker 1: It don't matter, man, it I've been a Cowboy since
Speaker 1: i was eleven years old, ten years old, and I've
Speaker 1: seen so many greats, you know, John Nil and guys
Speaker 1: like that, you know Rayphield, right, just so many great guys, man,
Speaker 1: and I'm a part of that. So you know when
Speaker 1: people go to talking ring them on a Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: I get to work with you guys every day, y'all.
Speaker 1: Notice I don't say much because I'm living my dream. Brother,
Speaker 1: I mean, not only to be played for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Now after my career over with working for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I'm chill all the time. Don't matter who number one,
Speaker 1: who number two. I'm here in the house. Bro, You're
Speaker 1: the greatest in the house. Well, it's great to have
Speaker 1: you here. And I just thought you hated me because
Speaker 1: you're so quiet, But I living the dream. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good, and I hate that guy that because he's
Speaker 1: gonna run off with this guy here, but he should
Speaker 1: stay on helm and then you know the Lebron look alike.
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, well, let's backtrack a little bit. Before
Speaker 1: we got into that. You mentioned the linebacker position Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith vander Esh, a position that has been a concern
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys this season, and I wanted to touch
Speaker 1: You said how hard it is to evaluate them, and
Speaker 1: it is, but what would be the best way to
Speaker 1: based on what we watch here to say, Okay, how
Speaker 1: are they really looking their instincts or their instincts there
Speaker 1: for both of them? Well, I see Vanderesh come downhill
Speaker 1: with the same enthusiasm that Jalen comes downhill. But I
Speaker 1: see Vanderesh cover better than Jalen. So, Nate, you know,
Speaker 1: all Jalen has on him is he's played more games,
Speaker 1: He's been involved in more games. I would like to
Speaker 1: see this kid play before, you know, I mean in
Speaker 1: the preseason. Give him three quarters, Let him get play,
Speaker 1: get tired, so he can get ingrained in his mind,
Speaker 1: he can become instinctive with the with the scheme we've
Speaker 1: given Jalen. That not one hundred percent being fair to him.
Speaker 1: Because last year he was behind the eight ball. But
Speaker 1: this year here you can't wait, you know. Coach Marinelli
Speaker 1: and Jason Garrett said, we got room for all three.
Speaker 1: No we don't. No, we don't. Because a linebacker to
Speaker 1: me is like a like a running back. The more
Speaker 1: they play, the more they see, the more they can
Speaker 1: play the instincts, the more they can play the scheme.
Speaker 1: And then they're looking at how the groups that come
Speaker 1: in and now they can stop making plays. That's what
Speaker 1: Sean Lee does. So now we're gonna say, hey, Sean,
Speaker 1: you've did thirty five players. Let's get you off the
Speaker 1: field that don't make no sense. You find one of
Speaker 1: these hammers, man, let him nail down the coffin ship,
Speaker 1: and that's what we gotta do. I will say like
Speaker 1: that I have a hard time following like a six
Speaker 1: time pro bowler, but i will say that one thing
Speaker 1: I've noticed, and again, it is hard to evaluate these positions.
Speaker 1: I'm encouraged by the number of guys who look like
Speaker 1: they can cover, and I'm not talking about cornerbacks. I'm
Speaker 1: taught like Layton vander esh has made some plays in
Speaker 1: these last two practices. Uh Jalen Smith carried Cole Beasley
Speaker 1: down the field the other day, which I still can't
Speaker 1: wrap my head around. Um, anything a straight line this
Speaker 1: kid can do. Yeah, well and is coming back. Yeah, Cavon.
Speaker 1: Cavon Frasier is another one. He I mean, we know
Speaker 1: he can thump, That's what you know about Cavon. But
Speaker 1: he has made some plays in coverage that you know.
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to say that he's going be or
Speaker 1: start with what you got. I know what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say though, Thomas. No, I'm talking about him once per segment.
Speaker 1: But um, it also means that maybe these tight ends
Speaker 1: can't get open. Yeah, No, that's that's entirely possible. Now,
Speaker 1: Jason wittenhead experienced on how like I saw a route
Speaker 1: that even receiver ran where it was in the red
Speaker 1: zone where I stopped film and I told brought us,
Speaker 1: say brought us. If that'd been Jason Witten, he'd ran
Speaker 1: to the inside number of that guy and then broke
Speaker 1: out to give itself some space. All they need is experience.
Speaker 1: What did what I found out they can't do. And
Speaker 1: I thought Jason Witten wasn't very good at this head
Speaker 1: end of his career. These dudes can't blocked nobody but Swain. Nope,
Speaker 1: the rest of them came blocked. No, No, they cannot. Whoa.
Speaker 1: That's scary now, yeah, especially when can you talk about
Speaker 1: this offensive line. They're running game and the blocking tight
Speaker 1: end is a big part of it as well. And
Speaker 1: then we got we got Rico Gablers. Man. I mean,
Speaker 1: this dude a freight train. He only shows up when
Speaker 1: it's past the situations. Please, man, come on, man, he's
Speaker 1: trying off the street. He's trying to get he's trying
Speaker 1: to get on you know, he wants to be on
Speaker 1: Sports Center. Get those highlights. We're gonna HiPE on him,
Speaker 1: all right, man, Okay, September one, well, cutting out of
Speaker 1: fifty three. Wow? Hey man, hey, Well, so I received
Speaker 1: the question from Toy which brings me back to Rico
Speaker 1: Gathers and basically saying, Okay, if Rinco continues to develop
Speaker 1: and he shows up in the preseason, scores a few touchdown,
Speaker 1: gets a few yards, a few receptions, it's looking good,
Speaker 1: would you want the Cowboys to take him and trade him.
Speaker 1: I'd maybe a fourth round pick or something with him
Speaker 1: in order to trade something they may put on the street.
Speaker 1: When are they going to put on the street. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they may, because then don't he have some He's gonna
Speaker 1: be like, uh Flowers or whatever his name twenty eight Showers, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Showers or whatever career see Flowers. Y'all gotta excuse me,
Speaker 1: y'all they used to me on my show because if you,
Speaker 1: if you are somebody and doing your job, I know
Speaker 1: your name, and that's you know me. I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta know these names because I gotta down. But I'm
Speaker 1: not a sixty No, I'm serious, Showers, Rico, when you
Speaker 1: gonna be a perennial, a practice squad guy that don't
Speaker 1: impress me? What impressed me is if you a Cavan Frasier,
Speaker 1: a guy that was destined to be on the practice
Speaker 1: squad but did everything in his power no matter what
Speaker 1: it was asked of him. He told us on the
Speaker 1: show to stay. I knew my only chance of making
Speaker 1: his team with special teams. Why Rico don't feel that way?
Speaker 1: Why he don't feel that way? So does your opinion
Speaker 1: change when you come and look at the four preseason
Speaker 1: games and see him being doing well, Like you know
Speaker 1: how lot he tries the block, he'll be better than
Speaker 1: than the other two received. The other two tight ends,
Speaker 1: accept my man, Swain, the other two guys are trying.
Speaker 1: Shultz is gonna get there. He just needs development. Then
Speaker 1: in that case, you want to keep him on the roster.
Speaker 1: You would watch this practice squad. I mean, what do
Speaker 1: you think. I'm I'm here. We talked about this a
Speaker 1: little bit because and I hear you, I really do.
Speaker 1: But if he goes out and has a preseason like
Speaker 1: he did last year and you can't deny his ability
Speaker 1: as a downfield threat, maybe you try to find a
Speaker 1: way to hold onto him regardless of the fact that
Speaker 1: he's a one dimensional player, and that'll be a challenge
Speaker 1: for them. And it doesn't sound like something going back
Speaker 1: to Jason Garrett being meticulous, that doesn't sound like the
Speaker 1: type of thing he wants to do. He wants a
Speaker 1: well rounded tight end who can do everything. He's been
Speaker 1: spoiled by having Jason Witten for the last twelve years
Speaker 1: or whatever however long. James, Okay, so we're gonna have
Speaker 1: two Rico Gathers, the other than being Blake Jarring. Just
Speaker 1: two tight ends. Yeah, No, it's tricky. That ain't gonna
Speaker 1: block and then we gonna have one possible rookie is
Speaker 1: learning how to block, and then we will have sway.
Speaker 1: It's how do they both make What if? And this
Speaker 1: is a big if, but what if you could find
Speaker 1: a special teams roll big enough for Rico to where
Speaker 1: he can make enough of a difference. It's like, all right,
Speaker 1: you're on field goal team, you're on punt team, and
Speaker 1: you go in in the red zone. That's all we
Speaker 1: want you to do. I can deal with that. I
Speaker 1: mean Escobar, somebody here recently. They have no faith at
Speaker 1: all that they can make it work. Okay, if it
Speaker 1: came down to those two, Blake Jarwin and Rico Gathers.
Speaker 1: We heard the Cowboys talk about Blake Jarwin over and
Speaker 1: over during the off season. Clearly a guy that they
Speaker 1: were supporting and rooting for and trusting. Yeah, if it
Speaker 1: came down to those two, would you not assume that
Speaker 1: they would go with I would assume they would. But
Speaker 1: it will depend on what happens in these games, because
Speaker 1: I mean out here at practice. It's if all we
Speaker 1: were doing was practicing out here, it would be easy
Speaker 1: to cut Rico Gathers. It's right when he goes up
Speaker 1: against the Bengals and posts five catches, for eighty yards
Speaker 1: and then you're you're having a different conversation. Well, thank
Speaker 1: god for I mean, I agree, I elaborate. Oh well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be your yea when you do thirteen personnel
Speaker 1: on the one yard line. Yeah, he's gonna be. Well.
Speaker 1: Before we finished the show, I wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: the nose tackle Antoine Woods real quick. And he's a
Speaker 1: guy human log ny come back every day, baby, this
Speaker 1: is what Eric does. Just yells at the firing Derek does.
Speaker 1: He's going on other people shows when you have stars.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you like him joining your show? He the bass? Hey,
Speaker 1: come on in, Hey, come on sir. He was he
Speaker 1: involved in that fight yesterday. I didn't get a good
Speaker 1: look at it. Antoine Woods, we're talking about Derek. Oh no,
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods. I don't thanks. So, yeah, he's tenacious, Bryce,
Speaker 1: I believe I like his tenacity even if he wasn't involved.
Speaker 1: So he's a guy that he came in no one
Speaker 1: really noticed him, and a guy that you didn't really
Speaker 1: expect him to be doing much. And now he's getting
Speaker 1: his name known and he was in case you guys
Speaker 1: don't know, he's the guy that dared to punch Travis
Speaker 1: Frederick in the face. So again he keeps his name,
Speaker 1: keeps bringing up, shining here and being brought up. He's
Speaker 1: just keep showing up. I'm gonna ask you about that
Speaker 1: because he just keep showing up. You told me a
Speaker 1: story last year about the seventh round pick name le Unlett.
Speaker 1: Yeah who when he first got here. He's from a
Speaker 1: small school, Like, who's this guy? And I'm a pro
Speaker 1: bowler and all that, and he challenged you, he went
Speaker 1: after you, and I'm sure he earned your respect right away.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what a guy like Woods can do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have to go punch him. Guys in the face,
Speaker 1: but I think Travis was kind of challenging him, and
Speaker 1: he was like, all right, I'm not scared of you.
Speaker 1: I don't care all your Pro Bowls and stuff. I'm
Speaker 1: not scared of you. Which is a good thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good thing. But don't punch him again, No,
Speaker 1: I yeah, to take not to take anything away from him,
Speaker 1: but we talked about it. There's a guy like this
Speaker 1: every year. Uh, Lewis Neil Chanil Jenkins, Davon Coleman was
Speaker 1: a guy. Oh yeah, but it's a great start. Area
Speaker 1: to the games. But I think what I think the
Speaker 1: difference in him is we we I expected a little
Speaker 1: bit more from Neil and I'm not giving up on
Speaker 1: Lewis Neil uh because pass Russia. What they wanted was
Speaker 1: a one technique or three technique that's very, very active.
Speaker 1: What this guy is a one technique that's he's active,
Speaker 1: but he's a run stopper and you can't have But
Speaker 1: I don't care what nobody say. You can't have everybody
Speaker 1: run stopper first. That's why we have no pass Russian, right,
Speaker 1: you gotta have some guys that are good at Russian
Speaker 1: and Parson. This guy will eat up by this because
Speaker 1: he's gonna bull bull bull, whether it's a run, whether
Speaker 1: it's a pass. And that's where he's gonna be effective
Speaker 1: at just one dimensional, going to get it, tough guy,
Speaker 1: eat up blocks. I like it again. I mean that's
Speaker 1: hey playing on Thursday, carried to the game. Will Ruh
Speaker 1: talk to him Lebron. I mean, like the practices out
Speaker 1: here are like the regular season, and you know Lebron
Speaker 1: doesn't care about that, like it's about the playoffs. It's
Speaker 1: about the game, babe. The aus about when it matters.
Speaker 1: You got Human Log baby Antoine Woods sixty four, The
Speaker 1: Human Log. You'll do anything for a free meal? Yes,
Speaker 1: absolutely so. Do we have a show tomorrow? Yes you do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's growing in us again. Yeah, we'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And I smells some stinking fish Steeler fans. I smell them.
Speaker 1: They smell them mile way and they steak like a
Speaker 1: youth football team called the Steelers, probably from somewhere, you know,
Speaker 1: really nearby at the Pittsburgh Steelers. They got the Colors Sacramento. Awesome,
Speaker 1: Well tomorrow we'll be back around. I really hope that,
Speaker 1: I really hope that that is not the case. Is
Speaker 1: that promise you there? All? Make sure joining tomorrow we'll
Speaker 1: discuss the preview. We'll give a preview to the game.
Speaker 1: Nick for Nickman, Nate David Amman. I remember your CS
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