1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: It's time for the break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: Good morning, guys, today is Tuesday, a beautiful day here 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: in Oxnar. I am joined by Nick Eatman David Hellman, 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: and we have a graded Derek's position to mister Nate Newton. 10 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: If you guys don't know who this guy is, then 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: help you google. What about the key? I mean, what 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: an episode we've got. We've got Nate and the Keys. Well, 13 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: you see, Dave just could not help it today. He 14 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: felt threatened by nate appearance here today and he did 15 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: one night to steal the show, and he decided to 16 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: go out with the Lebron James Lakers jersey. It's a 17 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,639 Speaker 1: beautiful morning in the LA area. We got a morning 18 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: practice and I just felt like repping the goat the 19 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: best basketball player ever, Lebron. I don't need your bads 20 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: on today. Oh crap, It's fine. I'll throw it over 21 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: my shoulder and mess it up your Cedric Saba's jersey. 22 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: And if you guys can't see, obviously you can't really see. 23 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: He's wearing some shorts with like zebra Prince. These are 24 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: my Zoo These are my Zoo bads shorts. Stand up? 25 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: Wait wait, ohbody's watching anyway? People listen to needless to say, 26 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: he looks very um. Rob Phillips told me buy me 27 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: dinner if I wore this, So he's the easiest dinner 28 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: I've ever made. Awesome, there you go, I would wear 29 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: this anyway. Okay, well let's get right in to the show. 30 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna be doing a forty minute show today, cutting 31 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: it a little bit short since the cowboys will be 32 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: doing in morning practice today. Padded practiced supposedly, and then 33 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: the walkthrough will be this afternoon. Yesterday was kind of 34 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: somewhat of an not really boring practice, but we kind 35 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: of slowed down a little bit from what we are 36 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: used to seeing, maybe getting the boys a little tired 37 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: at this point. And anyways, just real quick, some news. 38 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. He was on pads and dressed up in 39 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: Union's form. He didn't really do anything like you know 40 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: part of individual. That's all the Yeah, we perfect model. 41 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: If you want to see what a football player should 42 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: look like, right, they should put him in back at 43 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: this Star with the other guys because he would look 44 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: perfect in his uniform. Maneu Mannequans have done more than 45 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: he has the last two years. Hopefully we can start 46 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: actually doing. So what what is the point of getting 47 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: him in pads and throwing him out there but not 48 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: necessarily doing those kinds of things with the team? Um, 49 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: I think you just don't want a guy that hasn't 50 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: done anything for two years to rush back out there 51 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden that's they just screams 52 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: hamstring injury right off the bat. So they're trying to 53 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: be cautious with us, but at the same time, he 54 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: does need to kind of show them what he can do. 55 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: They've been very patient with him, so like, why change 56 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: it now? You're you're talking about Jason Garrett here, who 57 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: is his coach. That's so meticulous that he rehearsed the 58 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: way that they're going to do stretch line for their 59 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: game against San Francisco. I mean, if he can find 60 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: a way to rehearse every single thing, he's going to. 61 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: So put him in some pads, get him used to 62 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: the weight of it and the feel of it. Let 63 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: him do some individuals do. What do you think them 64 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: You actually, you're the one guy up there that's actually 65 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 1: played it. And if I would agree with that, if 66 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: the pass way what they're not the same pads you are, no, 67 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: And the thing, he's hitting dummies harder than he's gonna 68 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: hit these guys individual, right, they should at least have 69 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: him an individual working, not one of the I saw 70 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: was just only he was over there hitting dummies, and 71 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: those dummies ain't gonna give you no more resistance than 72 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: what one of your teammates are. Now. I understand you 73 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: may not want to get into the rigors of a 74 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: one on one pass rush or something like that, but 75 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: this kid came into camp and he hasn't bent over yet. 76 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: And you know our training staff will push you. You 77 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: know our wait staff will push you, and they can't 78 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: make this kid bend over every time I'm next next, 79 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: So you gotta give him something besides just standing up 80 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: looking like a mannequin. Like, for the record, I agree 81 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 1: with you, but I'm telling like that that just fits 82 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's emo. You know, step by step, meticulous, cover 83 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: every aspect of it before to throw them out there. 84 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: I agree when you say, Jason Garrett, yeah, you know 85 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: how you're doing, guys. I mean three hundred and eighty 86 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: five straight days of Hey, I understand how we're doing guys. Yeah, okay, 87 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: So we're gonna move on to talk some the cornerbacks 88 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: of this team. Cheeto, we know he'd been dealing with 89 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: some knee injury and he was back at it again yesterday. 90 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: Not sure if I mean, I'm sure the training staff 91 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: knows what they're doing, but he an. I thought it 92 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: was like he was wearing a little knee wrapping. Say 93 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: he limped off with the little ankle injury, but that 94 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: was that's not what's been setting right, Okay, he was 95 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: wrapped up and honestly, to your point, uh, you know, 96 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to question anybody's toughness, but that's 97 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: just the way this goes a training camp is guy 98 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: dings himself up. He want to be careful with him 99 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: and not compromise him for meaningful reps. I didn't think 100 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: we'd see Cheeto for at least a week, so it 101 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: was it was great to see him out I mean, 102 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: he went through a full practice, he did everything, he 103 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: looked really good. I guess it was really just a 104 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: very precautionary thing because I think at the end of 105 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 1: the day he missed one practice. So that's a great sign. Yeah, 106 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: And now, so I wanted to get into Anthony Brown, 107 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: who has been uh talked about this last few days 108 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: since he's been making interceptions on back to back days, 109 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: consecutive days, and somewhat of a guy that last year 110 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily get to the expectations that everyone had of him. 111 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: He dropped a few balls of what could have been interceptions. 112 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: Now he's catching some eyes now, and I wanted to 113 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: see with you guys, how do you guys think that 114 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: this will affect the hope of having Jordan Lewis step in. 115 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: We had talked about him maybe taking that role away 116 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: from Anthony Brown, but as of right now, it looks 117 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: like a very It's a good problem to have when 118 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: you have two guys that are really good. But just 119 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: your opinion of how this is gonna be. Yeah, cornerbacks, 120 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis Anthony Brown. You know, this is this is 121 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: what I call great competition. Because we started this this 122 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: deal before OTAs we thought that Jordan Luisabille staughter. Okay, 123 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: they bring in Jones and knocked him to the to 124 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: the slot. All this seen, he said, Okay, Jordan's say, hey, 125 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: he's the third guy. Don't worry about starting now. He's 126 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: the fourth guy. Anthony Brown and talking to him what 127 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: Rashard Chris Sharad, what his name Rashard is done? Listen 128 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: to her, you know accent? So hey, when you look 129 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: at these guys, man, he teaches them within what they 130 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: can do. Uh. He don't teach a certain technique that 131 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: you have to do, whereas last year they had a 132 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: certain technique they wanted you to do certain situations. He 133 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: allows them to play and he tweaks them. That helps 134 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: guys like Anthony Brown, Cavan Fraser. Uh, too mature and 135 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: he's found the rhythm because if you look at the 136 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: first few days of practice he didn't look too well. 137 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: But as over there as the training camps go, you 138 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: get better, you get better and not be seeing him 139 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: there here's and you're not You're not wrong at all. 140 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, but it's you know, you tend to 141 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: think of it from one side, as we all expect 142 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 1: Jordan to be the starter because of where he was drafted. 143 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: The fans want it. Uh, it's it's this storyline that's like, well, hey, 144 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: third round pick played well last year, why isn't he starting? 145 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: And don't think for a second that Anthony Brown doesn't 146 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: know that, because I talked to him last night. That 147 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: dude seems mad. Uh not like not not in a 148 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: bad way at all, but he knows that everybody in 149 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: the world wants to take his job away, Like it 150 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: was readily apparent from talking to him, and he was 151 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: basically he's like, yeah, a lot of people forget that 152 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: I can play pretty well, like and I guarantee you. 153 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: He also knows he had his struggles last year, but 154 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: he's looked pretty good in this last week at camp. 155 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: He's got three picks in the last two days. Uh, 156 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: he's been he was playing outside for a little bit 157 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: while Cheeto was out. He's primarily been the starter in 158 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: the slot. He I think his style it works with 159 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: Chris Chard because he wants him to be aggressive, but 160 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: he's not. Too many guys had the speed Anthony Brown has. 161 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: He he was clocked one and once. I think I 162 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: guess at the combine around four two nine. I mean, 163 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: that's that's speed. That that's track speed. So you can 164 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: you can make you can catch up when you can 165 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: run like that, so that that allows you to be 166 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: a little closer and take risk and then all of 167 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: a sudden, you get beat by a step or two, 168 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: you can catch up because you've got that kind of speed, 169 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: which I just it's gonna be a fascinating battle because 170 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think they're both 171 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: capable of doing it. I think they've both had their 172 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: moments here at camp. But yeah, to my point, like 173 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: Anthony Brown knows the narrative, I guarantee you he does, 174 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: and he's gonna it. Sounds like he's working like hell 175 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: to to fend that off. It's three guys, Jeff Hea, 176 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: Xavier Wood, and Anthony Brown, all of them guys, and 177 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: I've talked to two of the other guys. They feel 178 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: the same way. They're not mad, but they know that 179 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: somebody's taking coming to take their job, whether it's a 180 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: gout or the team, whether it's a guy on this team. 181 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: They feel that way, and they're competing hard and they're 182 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: playing fast, and Chris Rashad gives them opportunity within this 183 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: scheme to do what they need to do and take 184 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: advantage of the speed. We didn't take advantage of Anthony 185 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: brown speed last year by letting him press a little bit, 186 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: let him take some chances. But when he messed up, 187 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: we should you know, we let the world know it. 188 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, I mean to that point, I think 189 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: it's great when you have when you challenge the guys 190 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: and never let them get too comfortable, because then once 191 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: they get comfortable, that's where mistakes start happening. And something 192 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: really interesting that I thought Anthony Brown. We know about 193 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: Saint Geliles and his little drill that he has the 194 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: wide receivers carried those bricks and basically to work on 195 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: that grip and strangen those fingers. And to me, I 196 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: think it's been working. Having seen Terms Williams really dropping passes, 197 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: so catching the ball and Anthony Brown decided to pick 198 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: up the bricks after practice and you know, uh do 199 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: his little work himself. And apparently this is a drill 200 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: that seems to be working for those Hans. You know, 201 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: Anthony Brown almost lost the game for him last year 202 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: when he had a chance to pick off a pass 203 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: against the Raiders to just secure the win. And he 204 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: dropped it. The next play was a pass interference penalty. 205 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: They were down there about to score and win the game, 206 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: and then Jeff Heath made the play that he made 207 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: that goats make so but but we kind of forgot 208 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: and had to let Anthony Brown off the hook. He's 209 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: a guy that that he's got this speeded if he 210 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: could catch at four two nine, if you got the speed, 211 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: he'd be playing wide receiver. He said that last night. 212 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: You're right. I mean, it wasn't like it wasn't like 213 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: the whole dB staff went over there. Like he went 214 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: and got Sanjay's bricks out of the tent and was 215 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: just carrying him around on his own, and he's catching 216 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: balls out here. And I asked him about it, and 217 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: he was like, I should have had seven picks last year, 218 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: which I don't know if that's true. I have to 219 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: go back and look, because it had two thousand yards 220 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: by now. Yeah, exactly. I feel like players are always 221 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: a little more friendly to the stats than than reality. 222 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: But I could have done this. You definitely could have 223 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: had three or four. Um. So if it looks like 224 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: it looks like the work that he's doing is translating, uh, 225 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm excited to see this carry into the priest. Was 226 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: that the way that it was when when you played, 227 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: was it like always like man, we yeah, we scored 228 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: twenty five points, twenty eight points, we could have had 229 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: forty two. I mean like you look at it that way, 230 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: like there's always stuff, you know, there's always a skill 231 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: position players that look at it that way because we 232 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: always mashing and pushing on folks and we're just glad 233 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: when it's over. You know what I'm saying. When you 234 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: were you playing against a Jerome Brown, Rigi white man, 235 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: I had Rigid, no sacks, It's the game would have 236 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: went on out. I'd have really killed him. No, he'd 237 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: have bitch, you gotta sack, so you just let's just 238 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: get out of here. I was thinking about that, Yes, yeah, 239 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 1: like all you know, skill players and pass rushers love 240 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: to like they all wear hoodies and like Zeke had 241 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: a sleeveless hoodie and a long sleeve shirt and like 242 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: all this crap on underneath. You look at the O 243 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: line and it's all just shortly like there's nothing extra. 244 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: They're like, whatever, man, we just we're gonna block these guys, 245 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: and like, I don't need to worry about. Ally, You 246 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: always talking about going up against Reggie and Jerome Brown 247 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: and maybe Leonard Marshall. You never see anything about like 248 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: who was playing for the Cardinals or maybe the Redskins 249 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: or somebody liked the guy the Harvey who was EJ. 250 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: Junior was for itself. I mean they asked, but the 251 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: guy was the Hall of Fame a corner, you know, 252 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: I can't think of his name. Yes, Williams. Yeah, that 253 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: was it. Yeah, I mean, I mean they had they 254 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: had a few stuns, had Roy Green, but he was 255 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: at an end of his career, you know. So, Jim Hart, 256 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: I don't even remember, like I mean, I remember it, 257 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: but not well that the Cardinals were even an nfcast team. 258 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: Like all my memories of you talking about brother about 259 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: the playoffs, you talking about a team that will play 260 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: you deep into the fourth quarter and then you all 261 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: you gotta is keep playing and don't make a mistake 262 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: because they don't give it the find in the fourth quarter. 263 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: They gonna give it to you, oh man, until the 264 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: playoffs when they didn't. Sorry, okay, let's I'm sorry. You 265 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: know that's what Nick does. It's fine, yeah, a little bit, Yeah, 266 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: good get on Cardinals break um Nate you mentioned, Hey, 267 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: that reminds me twenty years ago. I know about twenty 268 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: twenty years ago. I'm standing a few pounds less than this. 269 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: I'm just my first year training camp, whichtall falls standing on. 270 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: There's a goal line drill. They do a sweep to 271 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: the side, and you know, the pulling guards gotta run. 272 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: You run thirty forty yards, gotta hit somebody, hit somebody. 273 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: Sure what happened in the play. All of a sudden, 274 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: this lineman just comes running here. I'm just standing here 275 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: kind of out of the way, definitely out of this 276 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: guy's way, and Big sixty one just shoves me for 277 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: no reason. I'm in the media. Pushed me, almost went 278 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: to the ground, and I like looked over and you 279 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: were just like, you know, pulling your pants up, like whatever. 280 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: I hit somebody out here. That was That was me. 281 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: Thanks for doing that. You ever? You ever? You know 282 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: you see the movies Man where they have the avalanche 283 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: and they just started a snowflake and all of a 284 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: sudden it just builds up. Yeah, Hey, that's the when 285 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: a guard pulls around my size back then, and it 286 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: was training camp and I was trying to get in shape. 287 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: So when a flap of lanche is on his way, 288 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: get out of the way. When I was out of 289 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: the way, but you just still You just wanted to 290 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: shove me and you couldn't stop. Man, it was a 291 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: flats using you to slow down. Yeah, you got me 292 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: all right on that note, Let's take our first break. 293 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna discuss the safety position, 294 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: not getting to a tall mess. 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So now we're gonna get 339 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: into the safety and we don't have to discuss We 340 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: always talk about Earl Thomas, a past of all trade, 341 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, but we never really touched on the 342 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: guys that we currently have. We never go and getting 343 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: too how these guys are looking out here. So Cavn Frasier. 344 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: We know we had he had that whole blood problem 345 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: and now he's back on the field problem. That's what 346 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: it was. They They did not really want to get 347 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: a lot more specifically right like what it was like, 348 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: I mean, and obviously, like when it's a medical issue 349 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: keeping a player off the field, it's gonna come out. 350 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: But you know, I don't think Cavan really wanted it 351 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: out there, didn't want to go into a lot of specifics. 352 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: I get it, like right now, I don't specifically know 353 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: what it was other than you know, a problem with 354 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: his blood so exactly. So that was a good explanation. 355 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: You say, got to eat more visible so a figure Clotton, 356 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: you know, for a guy who missed the first week 357 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: of camp. I've been really impressed with what I've seen 358 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 1: from him. Yes he has. He's been nice, he's been aggressive, 359 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: he's been up in the box along with Jeff Heath. 360 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: The guy him standing in the hole is Xavier Woods. 361 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: I haven't seen him play close up, and I'm not 362 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: gonna stay on Earl Thomas, but that's another guy Woods. 363 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: That feel like, you know what everybody's got Nobody, anybody 364 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: me and Amber included, Like, I'm not in a sense 365 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: in this like nobody is satisfied with that right And 366 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: it would piss me off if I were him. I 367 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: know that. You know. What Broadest brought to my attention 368 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: was tackling. Will he be back there in that hole, 369 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: and will he come up and make the right tackle 370 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: with he missed will fla he did a few times 371 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: during the regular season last year. And when he's out 372 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: here practicing, he don't come up and assure me that, 373 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: you know he's gonna be on top of he always 374 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: putting a hand out there. He better start breaking down 375 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: and getting on top of people. And you know, because 376 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: if I'm looking at it, definitely broadest looking at it, 377 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,239 Speaker 1: don't you know everybody else is looking at it, you know, 378 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: so he can't will if he can't miss any tackles. 379 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: We've talked about it on this show before, but that's 380 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: something that scares me about just safety in general, is 381 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: that it's a hard position to evaluate in this setting. 382 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: Yes it is. You can make the read ten times 383 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: out of ten, you know exactly where you need to 384 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: be get to the ball carrier. Are you gonna make 385 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: the tackle? I mean, you're in position out here and 386 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: it looks great when you watch it on tape, but 387 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: are you gonna make the tackle? And there's no way 388 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,479 Speaker 1: to know that until you're playing a real game, especially 389 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: when you're just just topping. Like I said, and they 390 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: make those noise and they're like that. And that's another 391 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: reason you know, I'm reserved on Jalen Invanderish because linebackers 392 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: in safetiest you don't get to know what they are 393 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: into a game start yep, you know, because they don't 394 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: get the thump out here and covering a guy they 395 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: running behind them a thought. But when you assigned to 396 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: a guy and you you guy who first got out 397 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: and you assigned to that guy, you gotta get on 398 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: him because if you lag like you lag out here, 399 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: it's a touchdown. So yeah, I was just gonna ask 400 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: you about like when you played like was it was 401 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: it completely different? Like you could tell by practice because 402 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: you guys were more physical or hitting out there. You 403 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: can tell you can't. Coaches have a super hell of 404 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: a job trying to get get a player right because 405 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: you draft a guy and right away you know we went. 406 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: We open up our camp with seven on seven. Yeah, 407 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: seven on seven, but it was inside run. It was 408 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: our five guys offensive line with a tight end in 409 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: the running back versus the front seven, and we would 410 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: do seven on seven running. But it'd be wide open 411 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: to be man the first day, man, you you soaking 412 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: your hands in an alcohol And I'm glad they don't 413 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: do that now because you don't have enough players to 414 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: do that. And you would mess up your Sarah cap 415 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: I mean you would, you would blow up Sarah cap. Hey. 416 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: You're still the best former player that I've seen in 417 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: the last thirty techns. Pretty good players just walked by. 418 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: Who was about him was a great player for what 419 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,719 Speaker 1: he does and for who he is. Man. But I 420 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: think I think Mike is here today too. Yeah, Irvan, 421 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: I think so well, Nate. You know, it don't matter 422 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: when it comes to skill position players. Yeah, I prefer 423 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: to be Larry Allen. And then I was like, yeah, 424 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: that's my boy. Yeah, I'm saying I hain't even do that. 425 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: Let's try to go ahead, Copter to get handled hey 426 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: real quick. We did a top we did a top 427 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: ten list. Um when when Zack Martin signed his deal, 428 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: he signed as a new contract, and we said, hey, 429 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: who's the ten best of guards in Cowboys history? And 430 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: you weren't around when we were doing voting and all that, 431 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: and Larry was number one, and it came down between 432 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: you and Zach Martin at number two, and he was 433 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: most athletic. He was most athletic. Who uh, he's he's 434 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: more athletic than I was. You know, I think it 435 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: was Brad Schamp said. Nate would probably be the first 436 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: one to say, Zach will probably be a little bit better. 437 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: But we had you a solid number three. I'm something, bro. 438 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: It don't matter, man, it I've been a Cowboy since 439 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: i was eleven years old, ten years old, and I've 440 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: seen so many greats, you know, John Nil and guys 441 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: like that, you know Rayphield, right, just so many great guys, man, 442 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: and I'm a part of that. So you know when 443 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: people go to talking ring them on a Hall of Fame. 444 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: I get to work with you guys every day, y'all. 445 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: Notice I don't say much because I'm living my dream. Brother, 446 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: I mean, not only to be played for the Cowboys. 447 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: Now after my career over with working for the Cowboys, 448 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: I'm chill all the time. Don't matter who number one, 449 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: who number two. I'm here in the house. Bro, You're 450 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: the greatest in the house. Well, it's great to have 451 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: you here. And I just thought you hated me because 452 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: you're so quiet, But I living the dream. Yeah, yeah, 453 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: it's good, and I hate that guy that because he's 454 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: gonna run off with this guy here, but he should 455 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: stay on helm and then you know the Lebron look alike. 456 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, well, let's backtrack a little bit. Before 457 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: we got into that. You mentioned the linebacker position Jalen 458 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: Smith vander Esh, a position that has been a concern 459 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: for the Cowboys this season, and I wanted to touch 460 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: You said how hard it is to evaluate them, and 461 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: it is, but what would be the best way to 462 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: based on what we watch here to say, Okay, how 463 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: are they really looking their instincts or their instincts there 464 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: for both of them? Well, I see Vanderesh come downhill 465 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: with the same enthusiasm that Jalen comes downhill. But I 466 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: see Vanderesh cover better than Jalen. So, Nate, you know, 467 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: all Jalen has on him is he's played more games, 468 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: He's been involved in more games. I would like to 469 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: see this kid play before, you know, I mean in 470 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: the preseason. Give him three quarters, Let him get play, 471 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: get tired, so he can get ingrained in his mind, 472 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: he can become instinctive with the with the scheme we've 473 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,479 Speaker 1: given Jalen. That not one hundred percent being fair to him. 474 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: Because last year he was behind the eight ball. But 475 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: this year here you can't wait, you know. Coach Marinelli 476 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: and Jason Garrett said, we got room for all three. 477 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: No we don't. No, we don't. Because a linebacker to 478 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: me is like a like a running back. The more 479 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: they play, the more they see, the more they can 480 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: play the instincts, the more they can play the scheme. 481 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: And then they're looking at how the groups that come 482 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: in and now they can stop making plays. That's what 483 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: Sean Lee does. So now we're gonna say, hey, Sean, 484 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: you've did thirty five players. Let's get you off the 485 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: field that don't make no sense. You find one of 486 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: these hammers, man, let him nail down the coffin ship, 487 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: and that's what we gotta do. I will say like 488 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: that I have a hard time following like a six 489 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: time pro bowler, but i will say that one thing 490 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: I've noticed, and again, it is hard to evaluate these positions. 491 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm encouraged by the number of guys who look like 492 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: they can cover, and I'm not talking about cornerbacks. I'm 493 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: taught like Layton vander esh has made some plays in 494 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: these last two practices. Uh Jalen Smith carried Cole Beasley 495 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: down the field the other day, which I still can't 496 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: wrap my head around. Um, anything a straight line this 497 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: kid can do. Yeah, well and is coming back. Yeah, Cavon. 498 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: Cavon Frasier is another one. He I mean, we know 499 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: he can thump, That's what you know about Cavon. But 500 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: he has made some plays in coverage that you know. 501 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: I'm not ready to say that he's going be or 502 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: start with what you got. I know what I'm gonna 503 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: say though, Thomas. No, I'm talking about him once per segment. 504 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: But um, it also means that maybe these tight ends 505 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: can't get open. Yeah, No, that's that's entirely possible. Now, 506 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: Jason wittenhead experienced on how like I saw a route 507 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: that even receiver ran where it was in the red 508 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: zone where I stopped film and I told brought us, 509 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: say brought us. If that'd been Jason Witten, he'd ran 510 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: to the inside number of that guy and then broke 511 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: out to give itself some space. All they need is experience. 512 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: What did what I found out they can't do. And 513 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: I thought Jason Witten wasn't very good at this head 514 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: end of his career. These dudes can't blocked nobody but Swain. Nope, 515 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: the rest of them came blocked. No, No, they cannot. Whoa. 516 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: That's scary now, yeah, especially when can you talk about 517 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: this offensive line. They're running game and the blocking tight 518 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: end is a big part of it as well. And 519 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: then we got we got Rico Gablers. Man. I mean, 520 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: this dude a freight train. He only shows up when 521 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: it's past the situations. Please, man, come on, man, he's 522 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: trying off the street. He's trying to get he's trying 523 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: to get on you know, he wants to be on 524 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: Sports Center. Get those highlights. We're gonna HiPE on him, 525 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: all right, man, Okay, September one, well, cutting out of 526 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: fifty three. Wow? Hey man, hey, Well, so I received 527 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: the question from Toy which brings me back to Rico 528 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: Gathers and basically saying, Okay, if Rinco continues to develop 529 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: and he shows up in the preseason, scores a few touchdown, 530 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: gets a few yards, a few receptions, it's looking good, 531 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: would you want the Cowboys to take him and trade him. 532 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: I'd maybe a fourth round pick or something with him 533 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: in order to trade something they may put on the street. 534 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: When are they going to put on the street. Yeah, 535 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: they may, because then don't he have some He's gonna 536 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: be like, uh Flowers or whatever his name twenty eight Showers, Yeah, 537 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: Showers or whatever career see Flowers. Y'all gotta excuse me, 538 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: y'all they used to me on my show because if you, 539 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,719 Speaker 1: if you are somebody and doing your job, I know 540 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: your name, and that's you know me. I gotta I 541 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: gotta know these names because I gotta down. But I'm 542 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: not a sixty No, I'm serious, Showers, Rico, when you 543 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: gonna be a perennial, a practice squad guy that don't 544 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: impress me? What impressed me is if you a Cavan Frasier, 545 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: a guy that was destined to be on the practice 546 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: squad but did everything in his power no matter what 547 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: it was asked of him. He told us on the 548 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: show to stay. I knew my only chance of making 549 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: his team with special teams. Why Rico don't feel that way? 550 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: Why he don't feel that way? So does your opinion 551 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: change when you come and look at the four preseason 552 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: games and see him being doing well, Like you know 553 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: how lot he tries the block, he'll be better than 554 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: than the other two received. The other two tight ends, 555 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: accept my man, Swain, the other two guys are trying. 556 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: Shultz is gonna get there. He just needs development. Then 557 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: in that case, you want to keep him on the roster. 558 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: You would watch this practice squad. I mean, what do 559 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: you think. I'm I'm here. We talked about this a 560 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: little bit because and I hear you, I really do. 561 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: But if he goes out and has a preseason like 562 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: he did last year and you can't deny his ability 563 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: as a downfield threat, maybe you try to find a 564 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: way to hold onto him regardless of the fact that 565 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: he's a one dimensional player, and that'll be a challenge 566 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: for them. And it doesn't sound like something going back 567 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: to Jason Garrett being meticulous, that doesn't sound like the 568 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: type of thing he wants to do. He wants a 569 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: well rounded tight end who can do everything. He's been 570 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: spoiled by having Jason Witten for the last twelve years 571 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: or whatever however long. James, Okay, so we're gonna have 572 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: two Rico Gathers, the other than being Blake Jarring. Just 573 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: two tight ends. Yeah, No, it's tricky. That ain't gonna 574 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: block and then we gonna have one possible rookie is 575 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: learning how to block, and then we will have sway. 576 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: It's how do they both make What if? And this 577 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: is a big if, but what if you could find 578 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: a special teams roll big enough for Rico to where 579 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: he can make enough of a difference. It's like, all right, 580 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: you're on field goal team, you're on punt team, and 581 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: you go in in the red zone. That's all we 582 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: want you to do. I can deal with that. I 583 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: mean Escobar, somebody here recently. They have no faith at 584 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: all that they can make it work. Okay, if it 585 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: came down to those two, Blake Jarwin and Rico Gathers. 586 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: We heard the Cowboys talk about Blake Jarwin over and 587 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: over during the off season. Clearly a guy that they 588 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: were supporting and rooting for and trusting. Yeah, if it 589 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: came down to those two, would you not assume that 590 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: they would go with I would assume they would. But 591 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: it will depend on what happens in these games, because 592 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,239 Speaker 1: I mean out here at practice. It's if all we 593 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: were doing was practicing out here, it would be easy 594 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: to cut Rico Gathers. It's right when he goes up 595 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: against the Bengals and posts five catches, for eighty yards 596 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: and then you're you're having a different conversation. Well, thank 597 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: god for I mean, I agree, I elaborate. Oh well, yeah, 598 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: he's gonna be your yea when you do thirteen personnel 599 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: on the one yard line. Yeah, he's gonna be. Well. 600 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: Before we finished the show, I wanted to talk about 601 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: the nose tackle Antoine Woods real quick. And he's a 602 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: guy human log ny come back every day, baby, this 603 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: is what Eric does. Just yells at the firing Derek does. 604 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: He's going on other people shows when you have stars. 605 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you like him joining your show? He the bass? Hey, 606 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: come on in, Hey, come on sir. He was he 607 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: involved in that fight yesterday. I didn't get a good 608 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: look at it. Antoine Woods, we're talking about Derek. Oh no, 609 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: Antoine Woods. I don't thanks. So, yeah, he's tenacious, Bryce, 610 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: I believe I like his tenacity even if he wasn't involved. 611 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,719 Speaker 1: So he's a guy that he came in no one 612 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: really noticed him, and a guy that you didn't really 613 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: expect him to be doing much. And now he's getting 614 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: his name known and he was in case you guys 615 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: don't know, he's the guy that dared to punch Travis 616 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: Frederick in the face. So again he keeps his name, 617 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: keeps bringing up, shining here and being brought up. He's 618 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: just keep showing up. I'm gonna ask you about that 619 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: because he just keep showing up. You told me a 620 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: story last year about the seventh round pick name le Unlett. 621 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: Yeah who when he first got here. He's from a 622 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: small school, Like, who's this guy? And I'm a pro 623 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: bowler and all that, and he challenged you, he went 624 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: after you, and I'm sure he earned your respect right away. 625 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what a guy like Woods can do. Yeah, 626 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: you don't have to go punch him. Guys in the face, 627 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: but I think Travis was kind of challenging him, and 628 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: he was like, all right, I'm not scared of you. 629 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: I don't care all your Pro Bowls and stuff. I'm 630 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: not scared of you. Which is a good thing. Yeah, 631 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: it's a good thing. But don't punch him again, No, 632 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: I yeah, to take not to take anything away from him, 633 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: but we talked about it. There's a guy like this 634 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: every year. Uh, Lewis Neil Chanil Jenkins, Davon Coleman was 635 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: a guy. Oh yeah, but it's a great start. Area 636 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: to the games. But I think what I think the 637 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: difference in him is we we I expected a little 638 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: bit more from Neil and I'm not giving up on 639 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: Lewis Neil uh because pass Russia. What they wanted was 640 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: a one technique or three technique that's very, very active. 641 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: What this guy is a one technique that's he's active, 642 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: but he's a run stopper and you can't have But 643 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: I don't care what nobody say. You can't have everybody 644 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: run stopper first. That's why we have no pass Russian, right, 645 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: you gotta have some guys that are good at Russian 646 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: and Parson. This guy will eat up by this because 647 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: he's gonna bull bull bull, whether it's a run, whether 648 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 1: it's a pass. And that's where he's gonna be effective 649 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: at just one dimensional, going to get it, tough guy, 650 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 1: eat up blocks. I like it again. I mean that's 651 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: hey playing on Thursday, carried to the game. Will Ruh 652 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: talk to him Lebron. I mean, like the practices out 653 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,720 Speaker 1: here are like the regular season, and you know Lebron 654 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: doesn't care about that, like it's about the playoffs. It's 655 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: about the game, babe. The aus about when it matters. 656 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: You got Human Log baby Antoine Woods sixty four, The 657 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: Human Log. You'll do anything for a free meal? Yes, 658 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: absolutely so. Do we have a show tomorrow? Yes you do. Yeah, 659 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: it's growing in us again. Yeah, we'll be back tomorrow. 660 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: And I smells some stinking fish Steeler fans. I smell them. 661 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: They smell them mile way and they steak like a 662 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: youth football team called the Steelers, probably from somewhere, you know, 663 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: really nearby at the Pittsburgh Steelers. They got the Colors Sacramento. Awesome, 664 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: Well tomorrow we'll be back around. I really hope that, 665 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: I really hope that that is not the case. Is 666 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,919 Speaker 1: that promise you there? All? Make sure joining tomorrow we'll 667 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: discuss the preview. We'll give a preview to the game. 668 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 1: Nick for Nickman, Nate David Amman. I remember your CS 669 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: you guys tomorrow at ten am. This was Cowboy's Break. 670 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 671 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.