1 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast featuring Jaguars dot Com Senior 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: writer John Oser and Jaguars executive producer Dave Dikendis. We're 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: gonna do something a little different this week. We talked 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: to former Jaguars wide receiver and Jaguars Wide Receiver coach 5 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: and I believe future Pride of the Jaguars member Keeno McCardell. 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: This week we went really long. We talked to him 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: for quite a while about a lot of different topics. 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: So we're not going to talk very much between me 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: and Dave. You get things started. Instead, we're gonna go 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: right into the interview. We're both gonna laugh and gonna 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: say this somebody I've known for almost twenty five years, 12 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: which I know both of us will be a shock 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: and incredible because we have a lot of memories from 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: way back when I it's a player and a coach 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: and a person to Jaguars fans have loved and enjoyed 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,319 Speaker 1: for a long time. It's Jaguars wide receiver, long time 17 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: wide receiver, now wide Receivers coach Keenan McCardell, Kenyan, I 18 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: appreciate you joining it, joining us, and boy, it is 19 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: hard to believe that I first started talking to you 20 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: twenty five years ago, isn't it? Yes? It is, thank 21 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: your first job for having me on the podcast. Uh, 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: just thinking about that, it's it doesn't seem like it's 23 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: been twenty five years. Seemed like it was just yesterday. Incredible. 24 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a and for fans who maybe don't 25 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: know covering you back in the day, I always enjoyed 26 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: that talking to you by your locker when we were 27 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: sitting down doing one on ones because you had such 28 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: a great insight into the game and the thing that 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: I always tell people when I'm talking about you, even 30 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: beyond the end, it was the passion that you felt 31 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: for the sport, the game. I've covered a lot of athletes, uh, 32 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: you know, and maybe up there with a guy like 33 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning Baselly, some of the greats that I've been 34 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: able to cover. Reggie, Wayne, You're up there in terms 35 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: of amount that you care about this game and the 36 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: sports and it's in you. Has that always been that 37 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: way since you can remember. I know you're a fan 38 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: growing up, but this thing means a lot to you 39 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: that it does. I mean, it's part of who you 40 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: are as a player. I mean, people always say, you know, 41 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: I played the game. You know too, you know, I 42 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: played the game. I love to play the game. But 43 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes things distract you from loving to play 44 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: the game. But if you're really truly passionate about it, 45 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: those things won't distract you. Those are just obstacles to 46 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: keep you see, if you want to stay focused in 47 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: the game. You know, and I think, uh, the great 48 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: ones that that have that passion for the game find 49 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: find ways to get over those obstacles and continue to 50 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: love the game. You know, I was, I was listening 51 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: to UM. I think it was Troy Agman or I 52 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 1: think it was Troman Um and he said, you had 53 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: to read invent yourself as you got older in the 54 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: in the game. You know, you have to to make 55 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: yourself stayed buying, tune to the details. Uh. The waking 56 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: up every day, getting up great uh, meal, great meals, 57 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: getting up, going to work out when you don't have to. 58 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: You know, when you're probably one of the best best 59 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: at your position, you can skip a day. But the 60 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 1: ones that are passionate and truly love the game, they 61 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 1: do it because it's a part of them. They want 62 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: to make sure the game continues to to grow and 63 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: continue and you continue to to give back to the 64 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: game what what the game gave to you. I mean, 65 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: I think the game has given a lot of guys 66 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: some great things. Uh, you know, people have the guys 67 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: have seen things that they would have never seen playing football. 68 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: And and you gotta give it back. You can't just 69 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: take take take. You gotta sometimes you gotta be the 70 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: ones to give back and and believe that you're giving 71 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: back to make the game better. Yeah, and speaking to 72 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: the passion that you played with. I think we've talked 73 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: about this before. I can remember covering the game we 74 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: were both gone from Jacksonville. I was I was covering 75 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: the Colts. You were playing for San Diego Charges at 76 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: the time. I know you remember the game. It was 77 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: when you guys went to the Colts upset them when 78 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: they were I think thirteen or fourteen. And oh, I 79 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: recall you catching a touchdown passed early in that game, 80 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: I think, and you slammed the ball against the the 81 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: back of the end zone. But I remember sitting in 82 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: the press box that day thinking, you know, I first 83 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: started covering this guy ten years ago. At that point, 84 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: you're in the league for fifteen years. But you're still 85 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: playing like a kid. It's still there was still a 86 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: joy watching you play. I remember thinking of myself, I said, 87 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: you know at that point I probably talked to in 88 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: five or six years. That's still the same King, that's 89 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: the same is even fifteen years in, you're still the best. 90 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: I mean not just I receiver one, that's one in 91 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: the league. I mean I think that you always gotta 92 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: think and I always gotta know you gotta feel that 93 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: if you if you don't feel that, you won't play 94 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: that way. I mean, if you won't if you don't 95 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: bring that type of mentality to the game, you won't play. 96 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: You won't be that be, that dude that you that 97 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: every like I always tell my guys, don't talk about it, 98 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: feel about it, don't tell me, don't give me lip service. 99 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: When you say you're gonna do something, I expect you 100 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: to go out there and do it, and do it 101 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: like you said, You're gonna do it as passionate as 102 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: you said, especially as you said it in the room. 103 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: I want you to be just as passionate and I 104 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: don't feel doing it. And even when you get hit 105 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: upside the head or get hit in the mouth, one time. 106 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: I want you to get up and still do it 107 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,559 Speaker 1: just as passionate as you would do if you would 108 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: dominate that guy at the beginning of the game. But 109 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: then he gets you in your mouth and then it 110 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: changes your your thought process. No, it's what you love 111 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: to do. If you're passionate about it, like it's an obstacle. 112 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: You gotta find a way to work through that obstacle 113 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: and be passionate about this game. I tell those guys 114 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: that all the time, and that's how I played. I mean, 115 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: there's no way he's gonna cover me Like you and Prisco. 116 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: You always said you're always open, right, And I was like, yeah, 117 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm always I mean, and I was, I mean in 118 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: my mind, I'm always open until I sit on film 119 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: that I wasn't. And I used to tell them this, 120 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: I don't have to be super wide open to make 121 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: a play and catch the ball because I know I'm 122 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: gonna catch the ball if it's anywhere close to me. 123 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: Something you just said, I want to ask you about 124 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: your guys your group here in a second. Something you 125 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: just said, I don't forget to ask this about getting hit, 126 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, and of all the guys have ever covered 127 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if you didn't mind it. I don't 128 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: know if you enjoyed it, but you didn't mind the middle, 129 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: and you got up for more stuff that I thought 130 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: was gonna lay you out. Did you like it or 131 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: did it just not bother you? Or is that part 132 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: of it? How did you approach that? You know what? 133 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: I never had a fear factor because that was just 134 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: part of the game. I mean. And I was taught 135 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: a long time ago in my neighborhood by some some 136 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: of my older friends, you know, and they were like, 137 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: you can't come out here and be afraid to play 138 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: and compete and get hit. It's part of what you do. 139 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: It's part of what It's part of this game. And 140 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: ever since then I realized it's part of what I 141 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: have to do. And and what I did as a 142 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: player was to figure out where where the soft part 143 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: of the zones were when I was gonna get hit 144 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: and when I wasn't gonna get hit, you know. And 145 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: like I look at some guys as back when I played, 146 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: and they played with reckless abandoned, I'm playing with reckless 147 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: abandoned also, but but smart reckless abandoned understanding where I 148 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: need to be when I when I when I need 149 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: to slow down, when I need to keep running, and 150 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: stuff like that. I mean, it just happened when I 151 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: was young. I mean in the neighborhood. Guys, my older 152 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: friends would just tell me, hey man, this is part 153 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: of what what this game is about. And if you 154 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: don't if you don't like to get hit, you shouldn't 155 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: play this game. It's basketball is baseball, and it was 156 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: always a part of me. I mean it was my one. 157 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: It was my first love, so it was I was 158 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: gonna figure out how to play this game. Tell me 159 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: back to your guys, I know you've talked about him 160 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: after the draft, and in terms of detail, what do 161 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: you like about this group of players? Uh, it seems 162 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: to be coming together as one of maybe the better 163 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: groups you've had here. It's it's a really good group. Um. 164 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: First off, we have of we care about each other 165 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: in that room. I make sure that everybody cares about 166 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: one another. Um. You know when I say that, I 167 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: mean I literally care about them, but literally cares about 168 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: what they're doing for the other person. Out on the field. 169 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: You gotta understand the game to to help your partner, 170 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: because sooner or later, your partner's gonna have to help you, 171 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: So we kind of have a mutual Uh. They see 172 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: it that way, and UM, you know, I gotta run 173 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: this post for this guy, and then I come back. 174 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna run the over route and this guy's gonna 175 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: run the post for me. So they start, they start 176 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: to like each other. They enjoy being around each other. UM, 177 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think these guys, they really like to 178 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: play football. I mean I mean, and I kind of 179 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: press them to not just like to play football, but 180 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: to start to love to play football. And you know, 181 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: and you know, I talk about life issues, UM, talk 182 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: about economic issues. Um, where would you be if he 183 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: wasn't here? You know, I just kind of keep it 184 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: straightforward with him and uh and speak the truth to 185 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: him because I've played there. I've played in their shoes. 186 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: I've been in everybody's shoes in that room, from the 187 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: from the practice cord guy to the guy that's like 188 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: trying to make the team, uh, being the fifth guy, 189 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: the fourth guy, the third guy, the second guy, the 190 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: guy in the room that's gotta be the the guy 191 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: that that stirs the coffee, that that that number one guy. 192 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: I've been those guys. I've been in every one of 193 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: those seats, and I try to help him get through 194 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: some of their their their their thoughts of doubt or 195 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: what you should do. I said, this is what's gonna happen. 196 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 1: You gotta think like this, and probably about at the 197 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: time it happens the way I said. And they've come 198 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: back and look at me and say thanks coach, and 199 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: you know, and it's like I said, that's what I'm 200 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: here for. Man, I'm I'm here to help you through this. 201 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: It's part of me giving them what somebody gave me 202 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: when I played, you know, the Ricky Sanders, the Art Monks, 203 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: to Gary Clarks. You know, even though Andre Risings people 204 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: don't realize, I mean, he's he was a caring person 205 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: like you. If you if you, if you be around guys, 206 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: you tend to find things that you are attracted to 207 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: from each player and you know, and I try to 208 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: give them those type of experiences that I've been around, 209 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: like great guys and how they helped me get through this, 210 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: and me as a coach, I'm you know, I have 211 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: to I have to not be there. I'm not their friend. 212 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: I am their friend, but I'm not their friend. They 213 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: understand that they know how how that relationship goes. But 214 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: they know I care about them and I coach every 215 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: one of them the same exact way. I coach them hard. 216 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't care if you the the free 217 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: agent receiver that's just made the team. Not to man, 218 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: when you step in our room, our goals are so 219 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: high and if you don't have them type of goals, 220 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna get coached out of the room, or you're 221 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: gonna get coached to catch up with our goals, you know. 222 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: And and that's how I coach the man. I mean, 223 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm passionate about about the game, as you like, as 224 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: we said earlier, and I want everybody that's in my 225 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: room to be passionate about that, about the about the football, 226 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: about about football. And you played or didn't play, but 227 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: you were around that Redskins group, which I don't know 228 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: if thirty years later people remember it. It maybe one 229 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: of the best wide receiver rooms of all time. Yeah, 230 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: mon Parton Sanders. They were putting up thousand yards seasons. 231 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: There's a group before anybody did that. What what that 232 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: year shaped you? What? How did that year help you 233 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: help shape you? Even though you weren't on the field. Um. 234 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: For one, I took a little a bit from all 235 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: three of those guys of how to shape my game 236 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: because I got in and I felt like, first I 237 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: was mad because I got drafted in the twelfth round, 238 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: so I can't to camp with a with a freaking 239 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: chip on my shoulder like no other UM. And I 240 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: was You couldn't tell me I wasn't as good as 241 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: those guys when I walked into the building. I mean, 242 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't that I showed it like being arrogant, but 243 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: my confidence within me when I when it was time 244 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: to step up for one on ones, seven on sevens team, 245 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: I I can do what they do. I see it, 246 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: I see it. I mean, and I just picked up 247 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: things of how to be super competitive from like Gary Clark, 248 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: being a true playmaker like like Ricky Sanders, and being 249 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: the consummate pro like Art Month, just just being on time, 250 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: being a leader, the quiet one that that just showed 251 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: up every day and and next thing you know, you 252 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: look up thing he got he got seven hund the 253 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: catches real quick, or he got he got he got 254 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: eighty catches in the year where you think that he 255 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: had a down year, you know, and back then you know. 256 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: So that was one of those things that I had 257 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: a great time learning from those guys and and they 258 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: took me up under under their wings and just just 259 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: made it just made me who I was. I mean, 260 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: I really think that year was a great year because 261 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we won the Super Bowl. I learned so 262 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: much of how to be a true pro. I mean 263 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: I was, I had just turned twenty one going in 264 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: the league, and I'm around guys that were probably thirties 265 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: early thirties. Twenty nine. There wasn't many young players on 266 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: that team. It. Um, they showed me how be pros. 267 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: Not just the receiver room, that whole team. Coach Gibbs 268 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: was a great leader. I mean he showed showed us 269 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: how to be how to be men like and we 270 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: he had a lot of men on that team, but 271 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: he showed us how to be great men. Um. It 272 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: was four years with the Browns. By the time you 273 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: got to Jacksonville ninety six, nobody else really, I mean 274 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say nobody. Most fans didn't know you yet, 275 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: but you felt like you were ready. Was the chips 276 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: still there? Did it always stay or what was your 277 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: mindset going into that? My chips stay. I mean, I 278 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: still want I get that. Um My biggest thing was this. 279 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: I just needed to be that guy for the from 280 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: from from game one to Game six team. And I 281 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: was gonna show you that I was one of the 282 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: better receivers in the league. Like I was gonna put 283 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: up those type of numbers. I was gonna help a 284 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: team win. I was gonna lead. I was gonna show 285 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: show you how are you supposed to play the game? 286 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: You know, and not and not be a guy that 287 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: that was always ra row and about it. Just let's 288 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: get on the field. Let's let me show you what's 289 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. And then when I came into Jacksonville, 290 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: Tom asked me to be a leader and this, that 291 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: and the other, and I was like, I'm fine with it, 292 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: but I got something to prove right now. I mean, 293 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm I understand being a leader or I'm gonna lead 294 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: by example because I'm gonna go out here and I'm 295 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: gonna burn this thing up. It ain't gonna be It's 296 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: no nonsense. Uh, injury, were gonna fight through injury. I'm 297 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: gonna be on this field from from game one to 298 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: Game sixteen, and I'm gonna show this league exactly what 299 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: this twelfth round guy that you know should be it 300 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: should be be said to put his names up, you know, 301 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: in the up there with it with the best. I mean, 302 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: I think that's the type of path ship I had. 303 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: That's a kind of chip I had on my shoulder. 304 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it just was that chip went from being 305 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: the twelfth round guy and then being pissed in Cleveland 306 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: because I felt like I was I was not being 307 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: played the way I wanted to be played. But you know, 308 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: you you have to wait your turn. And one thing 309 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: about coach Man and Cleveland, he told me you got 310 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: just wait your turn. Bro, When your turn comes, you 311 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,479 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta show up and and and perform. And 312 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: when I when my time came, injuries came, people came, 313 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: and I got a true opportunity. I outplayed people. Uh, 314 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: I performed. And when I got to when I got 315 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: to Jacksonville, I told coach Man, I was like, I'm 316 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: gonna put to work what you what you taught me? 317 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: And and I did. I mean, there's three questions. I'm 318 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: just gonna say the phrase I want you to think. 319 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: I want say what comes to mind. This is the 320 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: time he ut you to do it. Jimmy Smith m 321 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: one of the best that ever played the game at 322 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: the position. What do you guys mean to each other? 323 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: We made a lot to each other bad I think, 324 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: I think people. I mean, we we understand each other. 325 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: We don't have we don't have to be calling it 326 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: every day. We call every other week or or every 327 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: week once a week. We still have that bond. It 328 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: just it's just like that, I mean, and we think 329 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: the same will be sitting over there thinking looking at something, 330 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: to be like I already know what you're thinking. Is like, yeah, 331 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: I'm thinking the same thing too. I mean, it's just 332 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: one of those things. I mean, he I mean it was. 333 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: It was a great tandem. We we did exactly what 334 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: the other one didn't do. And if it's like a 335 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: good marriage, you put it together and it's gonna work. 336 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: Did you have an appreciation? I mean, I don't think 337 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: I did. I covered you guys most of the time 338 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: you played together. I knew I was seeing really, really good. 339 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: Maybe I didn't appreciate what I was saying. Did you 340 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: know at the time that that was going to be 341 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: such a defining relationship greatness all of what it was. 342 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: Did you have an appreciation for it or is it 343 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: taking time to realize that. No, I didn't take time 344 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: because we had the same chips. We had chips on 345 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: our shoulder and we told each other that they tried 346 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: to get us out of here, um actually out of 347 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: the league. This sign we're gonna leave. We're gonna we're 348 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: gonna leave this league when we want to English league. 349 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: And well we said that. We knew every day we 350 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: went out every day in practice, if we were gonna 351 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: demonstrate that we were the best in the league, we're 352 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: gonna dominate. Like it was. It was times time you 353 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: should get mad at us, because he would get mad 354 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,239 Speaker 1: at defense where you guys got to cover them. They 355 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: weren't gonna cover us in practice. It went it wasn't happen, 356 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: you know, it was. It was gonna be a flat 357 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: out battle every day. And I mean everybody that's that, 358 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: they'll tell you. And we went on ones. It was 359 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: our time to embarrass folks like it we I mean, 360 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: it was just that's the type of chip we had 361 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: on our shoulders. And it wasn't just just my chip, 362 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: it was his chip. And it was almost it was 363 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: a great competition because he would do something. Oh, I 364 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: gotta go do something, and we laugh about it. He said, boy, 365 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: I saw you do something over there. Now I got 366 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: to make sure I go do something now. You know. 367 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: It's like and we were I mean, it was never 368 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: where we were mad each other or stuff like that. 369 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: We just wanted to to continue to show people that 370 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:15,959 Speaker 1: we belong and that will go with you forever. One 371 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: death Dely definitely, definitely, you know, and I mean it 372 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: was it was just amazing. I mean, just to have 373 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: a person like that on your side, that you know 374 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: that that played the same way you played? Um, why 375 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: not us? Yeah? Why not us? There wasn't there was Uh, 376 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: it was a lot of magic. I was like, why 377 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: not us? Because nobody gave us a chance. But we 378 00:21:54,840 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: saw it was funny. We saw it in the locker room. 379 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: M everybody saw it, you know, and every I think 380 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: Clide Simmons made us understand it. You know, we saw it. 381 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: We knew it. You know. We have two of the 382 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: best tackles in the game, clean, two of the best 383 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: receivers in the game. Young, but everybody was young, excited. Chip, 384 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: we never we never wavered in the locker room and 385 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: Clyde helped kept us from that him and Jeff Lyman, 386 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: Like Jeff was like, you guys don't know, this time 387 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: is running short for me. And we got the talent 388 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: in here like it would say that and we all 389 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: realize that, and it just started to come together. Uh 390 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, we brought Nate trying and they trying to 391 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: have been so good. I mean, it was just like 392 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: the um the personality is just fit. You know, you 393 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: go Kevin Hardy, you go to the Robert Massey's. I mean, 394 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: you co to Mark I mean, you just you go 395 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: to Smingy, you go Jerkovic. I mean, things just kind 396 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: of it was personalities from all over that we when 397 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: we got in the locker room, it was fun. I mean, 398 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: I hate to say it, it was a lot of fun. 399 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: Uh you know, we played cards, you know, we played space. 400 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: We we just like it was there, I mean, and 401 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: everybody was just Okay, what we're gonna do? You know, 402 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: we need to come together. And then you know, at 403 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: the end of the year, stuff just started clicking because 404 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: people just started believing and knowing that I can count 405 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: on that guy. He's gonna make that play, he gonna 406 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: make that block, he gonna make that tackle. He's gonna 407 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: get that sad. He's gonna make that kick. You know 408 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: you're gonna make that punt. I mean, I mean, it 409 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: just it just fit. I mean it started out everybody 410 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: was trying to figure it out. It just came through. 411 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: What I'm telling you, Jeff and Clyde was those guys 412 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: that kind of just was like, man, it's here, we've 413 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: seen it. You guys just gotta believe us, and that 414 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: we did. You've got a couple of rings. But it 415 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: sounds like that year is up there in terms of 416 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: your memories. It is. It's it. It was, And I think, uh, 417 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: because nobody believed in us. Um. I mean, it's just 418 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: that he believed in ourselves in that locker room. And 419 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of funny, um because at the beginning of 420 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: the year, no Tom was Tom was was was popping 421 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: the wheel, he was he was driving us, and he 422 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: was he was getting after us, and you know, it 423 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: was grumbles in the locker room, just that and the 424 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: other and we kind of just a man, the only 425 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: way we can change this is by winning. We gotta 426 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: start winning, and this is gonna change. It didn't change 427 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: a lot, but it it changed just enough to make 428 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: us feel like we won. It was like not saying 429 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: that it was us against the coaching staff, but we 430 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: all we we had that type of mentality at first 431 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: because he was driving us. But after a while we realized, 432 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: we're practicing hard. The rewards are gonna come on Sunday, 433 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: and we was out there getting after it. I mean, 434 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: and we realized it wasn't at first it was grumbles. 435 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: Then off after that we realized, like, man, we're getting better. 436 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: We're getting better fast, and we started to to say, okay, 437 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: we we can make this easy. We just gotta keep winning. 438 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: And the more we won, the more he pushed, right, 439 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: and the more we we wanted to keep him from pushing, 440 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: and the more we focused more to win and win 441 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: and win, and I mean it just all came together. 442 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: I mean we it was just that it was just 443 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: the locker room was so tight. I mean it was 444 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: unbelievably tight. I mean we He didn't have to say much. 445 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: I mean he very seldom came down to the locker room. 446 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: He would go down there. Now, well, in the old 447 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: locker in the old locker room, you can walk out 448 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: of the training room and walk right into the locker 449 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: room and he would just stand there and look, he 450 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: would he wouldn't step, he wouldn't step in a lot. 451 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: He he always said, well, we can come in the 452 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: locker room. But he would never come into the locker room. 453 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: He was just standing there and he said okay, and 454 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: then he would and he would leave and and I 455 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: think he realized that it was under control and that 456 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: we had it under control. Um, you know, he had 457 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: we had it where where he wanted it. I don't 458 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: know if you do this or not, but if if 459 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: you're ranking your catches all time, where does the Denver 460 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: catch come in? And you know the one I'm talking about, Uh, 461 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: it's got to be up there. It's up there. Difficulty, circumstance, 462 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: the whole works. Yeah, pressure the well he needed to 463 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: play to get back in the game. Uh. To me, 464 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: it was just a catch. And then the more and 465 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: more I look at it now and as after I 466 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: looked like, it was like, but that was a big catch. 467 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: And then now that I looked at it, I was like, 468 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: that wasn't pretty damn a good catch? Right? There was 469 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: a big catch, you know, And uh, you know I 470 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: could call some other catches that were that that was big, 471 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: But going back at ranks. It has the rank in 472 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: the in the top three because because the lead, you 473 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: guys are taking control of the game. You had the lead, 474 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: but it still didn't feel as if you were controlling 475 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: it yet you still needed a big play. You you 476 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: go down the left side, Mark rolls out to that side, 477 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: throws it out. Mccartlent motion. Brunell with time now he's 478 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: gonna come on the run, turns washed it downfield looking 479 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: for Keenan in the n Joe Keenan Lakes. And I 480 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: know he was going left and I was on the left. 481 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: He rolled up and he threw it and I kind 482 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,959 Speaker 1: of I saw it, and I tried to play, you know, 483 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: play like I he didn't throw it, and I really 484 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: and I'm running out of space, and I and huh, 485 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: and I was running out of space, and I saw it, 486 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: and I just kind of kind of froze. I just 487 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: kind of slowed down to slow the slow the fender 488 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: down so I could just kind of post him up 489 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: a little bit and catch it over my outside shoulder. 490 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: So if I turned this way, he would have turned 491 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: and saw it, and and I just kinda let the 492 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: ball go over. He saw it late and he went 493 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: up late and it went over his hand and I 494 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,239 Speaker 1: was like, I got this is a touch stuff And 495 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: the only thing I was worried about was getting my 496 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: feet down. Was he in Oh, how do you not 497 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: call that a touchdown? He made the catch in the 498 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: INChO goutch down check Bards touchdown, Jacksonville touchdown, Jacksonville, thirty 499 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: one yards from Park Purnell to Keenom cardinal touchdown, Jacksonville. 500 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: When I went up and I and I posted him 501 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: up and caught it over my shoulder and I said, 502 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: get the knee down and then I can I'll just 503 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: kick kick. I'll just kind of drag the next one 504 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: to get it in. And when I popped up, I 505 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: was like, let's a touchdown, regardless of what you say. 506 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: And I just looked at him and they were over 507 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: there talking about no and the rest of like, yes, 508 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: it was a touchdown. And it was forty eight. It 509 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: was Washington and she dialogue with him a little bit right. 510 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: I was just kind of turned like, oh, that's a touchdown. 511 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: Like it was like no. I was like no, no, no, 512 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: And and and Steve came over the at war they 513 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: were like no, no. I was like yes, it is. 514 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: It is a touchdown, and I I just just like, 515 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: I mean, when I did it, I was like, Okay, 516 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: that's a play. We need another play. We're like. It 517 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: was just I was like, let's go, let's let's finish. 518 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 1: That was the mode that the team was in at 519 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: that point. It's good. Yeah. Five minutes later, March running 520 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: for twenty seven yards and then Jimmy's catching the I 521 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: mean touch down. That that that sealed it. I mean 522 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: it was I mean, we were just saying we needed 523 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: to make a play. Somebody needs to And a lot 524 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: of times have been the huddle, Tony the old lies 525 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: Lion being able to say, hey, y'all gotta go make 526 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: a play. We're gonna block these dudes. Now, one of 527 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: y'all gotta make a play. That's that's Bowl's big thing. Hey, 528 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: you guys gotta make a play. We feel battanced. Don't 529 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: make a play. And you know, I was like, got you. 530 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: I mean that's just kind of the the confidence that 531 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: they had in us and the confidence that we had 532 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: and them and and market me like I got y'all, 533 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: let's go, you know, And you know he was cool 534 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: hand Luke all the time. You mentioned to you told 535 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: me a great story. I think it was last year 536 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: that there was a time, maybe later on, when you 537 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: guys are playing together, you and the Sally where you're 538 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: walking through I think the rubber hallway and you're both hurt. 539 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: You're both beat up and saying why are we doing this? 540 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: They're making us go out and what ever? And then 541 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: you both looked to each other and said, no, we 542 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: love it, and and that sort of struck me as 543 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: it defines a lot about both of you guys, the 544 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: love with the game. You guys kind of share that, 545 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: didn't you. Yes, we did. Um, that's funny. We were 546 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: in the locker room one day too and he's like, boy, 547 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: I'll beat up. I said I am too, um, and 548 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: we were looking at each other's like, well it was 549 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: I think it was at the end of the season. 550 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: It might have been after the might have been after 551 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: the second championship game in ninety nine, and we were 552 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: we were beat up playing, you know, and you had 553 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: to have solo surgery. I had to have knee surgery, 554 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: and it's like, I can't see myself doing this again. 555 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: He was like I was like yeah, right, Tony, And 556 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: I was like I'm hurting. He's like, yeah, you're right, 557 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna get it done. Let's go. We gotta go 558 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: come back. Who I mean after the like after the 559 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: nine and nine season, we were we were so pissed 560 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: that we we wanted it didn't matter. We were gonna 561 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: get well, we get back to where we want, we 562 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: wanted to be, And it was just something that that 563 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: me and him had a bun and like toughness, like 564 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: we were gonna be out there regardless, it didn't matter, 565 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: Um what was going if if we could play, we 566 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: knew we could help the team. When I say nine, 567 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: what do you think of what we're saying? Come to 568 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: your mind? Um, disappointment because um, probably the best team 569 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: I have I played on, and I've played I've been 570 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: on two Super Bowl teams. I've been on a fourteen 571 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: and two team in San Diego with the m v 572 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: p UH with Ladani and uh Phillip um good team, 573 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: and a Super Bowl team in Tampa, which was really good. 574 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: Really we were really good in Tampa. Um, but I 575 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: really think the world didn't see one of the best 576 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: teams at ninety nine. I mean Tennessee. I I gotta 577 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: give them credit. They came in and did what they 578 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: had to do. Came in and did what they had 579 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: to do. They were a good team, not taking anything 580 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: away from but I think we were probably the better team, 581 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: and it would have been a pretty exciting SUPERO. I'm 582 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you. I was looking forward to 583 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: and some people say you probably was looking past and 584 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: never looked past and and see. You can't look past 585 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: in the see because the visional foe and right, you know, 586 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: you can't look past them. But it would have been 587 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: interesting to see the greatest show on turf mm hmm 588 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: play us WET. It would have been fun. I mean 589 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: what it could have should have We didn't do it. 590 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: Tennessee did, and I just think nine was. It was 591 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,240 Speaker 1: probably one of the better teams, probably the best team 592 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: I've played on. You played a lot of years, but 593 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,919 Speaker 1: it still feels and maybe it's because I covered you there, 594 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: but it still feels like those Jaguars years for you 595 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: through two thousand two. It still sort of feels like 596 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: home to you that it's nothing about that. It does. 597 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: I mean, probably because I spent the six years, the 598 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: longest tenure of my career in Jacksonville. But it was 599 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: it was home. It was because it was from the start. 600 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: I mean I was one year from the start, but 601 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: it was just like it was from the start of 602 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: the franchise's history starting to to change, not just being 603 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: an expansion team, being a team that people respected, Um 604 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to see. You know, we went from a 605 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: team that nobody really wanted to see on prime time 606 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: to a team that people wanted to see. And then 607 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and a couple of wins here, 608 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: and we've had some big wins on Monday Night football. 609 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: We've we've played some of the best teams on Monday 610 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 1: Night and we've we've won. And I tell my guys 611 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: that now, I say, the city it's fun man, winning 612 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: you just gotta go play. I mean, see city brightens 613 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 1: up and it livens up. The lights come on for 614 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: everybody in this city when you're winning, and it embraces you, 615 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: embraces it embraces you so much. And I always tell them, 616 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: I said, any time I get any time I get 617 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: a player that's from Florida or Georgia, right, and they 618 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: played in the Florida Georgia game, I just tell them 619 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: to tell the tell some of the players in the room, 620 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: the experience of what that game is about and what 621 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: the fan ends of Jacksonville embraces. They embraces good football, 622 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: good competition, people that love to play the game, the 623 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: passion for the game. Because you know, it's just not Duvall. 624 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna get Brounswick. You don't get, don't get the 625 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: little part of jaws to coming to see the Jacks. 626 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: We used to get those people, you know, and and Daytona. 627 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: We like, we get people from from all over and 628 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I just tell them, you get back to that. 629 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: We get back to that. We need to get back 630 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: to that. I mean I think, uh, you know, it's 631 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: one step at a time. Um, and we gotta we gotta, 632 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: we gotta just buy in and believe that we're going 633 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: to get back there. A couple final questions. I know 634 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: you are are passionate about coaching receivers, but I've always 635 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 1: seen you as a guy who can pretty much coach 636 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: whatever offensive coordinator in your future. I mean, or some 637 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: receivers coaches just like coaching the position. I didn't know 638 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: what your thoughts were, where your aspirations were on that front. 639 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,399 Speaker 1: Uh Man, I got aspirations big, big time. I mean 640 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: they I love my receivers. I love coaching receivers, you know, 641 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: but you can't say short self short of being a 642 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 1: coordinator or even a head coach. I mean, that's one 643 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: That's one thing I would love to be because you know, 644 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: you feel like you're a leader of men. You know, 645 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: you know, just men. A leader of men makes you 646 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: a qualifiable person would be a head coach. It's not 647 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: just you can call play used to be a head coach. 648 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: It's not that you don't know anything about football. To 649 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: be a head coach. It's leading people and wanting and 650 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: and people responding to your leadership and the way and 651 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: to go out and play for you. I mean, I 652 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: think that's what I mean my head coaches. I mean 653 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: it's not just I mean you you can walk in 654 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 1: inny room and coach. You can walk in inn room 655 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 1: and they respect you and they'll run through the wall 656 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: for you. It's not that just you went out then 657 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: call the best player in the world. Okay, after a while, 658 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: when the defense decides that they can they know what's coming, 659 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,879 Speaker 1: they can stop it. Is that? Is that a leader? Man? 660 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean he has to make changes, yeah, but he 661 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: has to make an adjustment. As a head coach, you 662 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: gotta make sure your players know that, hey, you're better 663 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: than them. And there may not be there may not 664 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 1: be a guy who's played for as many great ones 665 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: as you have. Right her kids party Grood. I mean 666 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: this is a in your background, so yes, And you know, 667 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 1: I I take this from from Marty. Marty I always said, 668 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: if I got good people, I don't have a good team. 669 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: If I got good men, respectable men, I have a 670 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: good team because I'm gonna put the coaches around myself 671 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,479 Speaker 1: and and me and coach them the way we wanted 672 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: to be coached, you know. And and they gotta have 673 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: some talent, he says, But if they're good people and 674 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: and and he always say enjoyed playing the game. It 675 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: was like, coach, you gotta love to play this game, 676 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: he said, yeah, yeah, yeah. But sometimes you know, you 677 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: got you're gonna have something that you that that's gonna 678 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: do their things. I'm fine, you like, I'm fine with that. 679 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: But that's why I gotta have a couple that can 680 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: pull some guys back in and and make them, you know, 681 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: enjoy the game. You know, and you know, and I 682 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: mean just the hard work of Tom the hard work 683 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: of coach Belichick. I mean he keeps so he's so 684 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,919 Speaker 1: to the to the vest. He's keeps everything to the vest. 685 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,320 Speaker 1: You won't know anything about him, you know, or what 686 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: what he's thinking. Uh poker face. You know you learned. 687 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: I mean I've been been there with a whole bunch 688 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: of them, and uh like John, I mean passionate for 689 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: the game. Uh, He's so freaking passionate for the game. Uh, 690 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: to the point that if you're not a passionate player, 691 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: it makes sound phony to you, you know, but if 692 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: you're a passionate player, you know how passionate he is 693 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: about the game. And you know, I tell people this 694 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: all the time. He's probably one of the best, uh 695 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: office and mind the guys that I've been around in 696 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: this game. Um far as matching up people and and 697 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: getting matchups, it's as my next person. I mean, and 698 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: I played with Kevin and Keil. I felt like Kevin 699 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: was a was a really good, offensive minded person to 700 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: gilbrad Um. But I mean, like, but what I was 701 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: saying is like being around John, uh, Tom, you know, 702 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,439 Speaker 1: Coach Gibbs. You know, it was just I've been around 703 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: some good people and and and saw how they taught players, 704 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 1: how they how they have treated players, how they taught 705 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: them to play the game, how they taught them to 706 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: be men, and just you know, even though you know, 707 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: Coach Gibbs probably one of the best minds I've ever 708 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: been around too. Offensively and my my rookie year, I 709 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: was I was in awe because I've talked so well. 710 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 1: I mean so, I mean, just just being around those 711 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 1: guys help you understand how to, as they say, push 712 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: a button or two from players and get them to 713 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: get them to play. I mean, so, I don't know. 714 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if just being an offensive coordinator or 715 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: is that is that the route? Is that the is 716 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,919 Speaker 1: the way to be a head coach? Or is it 717 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: just being a a leader a minute? Is that the 718 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: way to be a head coach? You know the thing 719 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: about being a head coach, people, I don't realize that 720 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,879 Speaker 1: you gotta want to play for your guy. You gotta 721 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: want to go out and leat it on the line 722 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: for him, you know, and and and be accountable to him. 723 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 1: It's like I always tell us to tell Johnists all 724 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 1: the time. I said, um, anyone when we held out. 725 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: When I held out, I just was one of the 726 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 1: things I told him, I said, John, I heard all 727 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,880 Speaker 1: this all that I was accountable to you for every Sunday. 728 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: I was gonna be there if I the only reason 729 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna be on the field for you, it 730 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: was because I couldn't. I couldn't raise my arm to 731 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,839 Speaker 1: catch the ball. I couldn't couldn't run catch the ball. 732 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: But I was gonna be accountable for you. And that's you. 733 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: You just forgot about that. Like I'm there every every Sunday, 734 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 1: you know, And and and that's the thing. You want 735 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,479 Speaker 1: guys to be a that that that want to be 736 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: on the field for you on Sunday. I just want 737 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: to be on the field for the money. You want 738 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: to be on the field for you and the guys 739 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 1: next to you. You gotta get guys that that that. 740 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 1: You've got to get a first you guy to get 741 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: a coach that wants that that gets that out of players, 742 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: and you gotta you gotta have players that want to 743 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,879 Speaker 1: be that way. So, I mean, I don't know which 744 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: way it is too, which route is gonna be for 745 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 1: me to be a head coach or office coordinator, But 746 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: you know what, I take it. One day at a time. 747 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: I mean, as my dad always used to tell me. 748 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 1: He used to tell me that all the time. If 749 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 1: it's for you, it's for you, all right. This is 750 00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: the ozone five with Keenan McCardell Keena last Binge watching 751 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: Peaky Blinders. Was he good? Oh? It was good? It 752 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: was great? Right, it was a great It was a 753 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 1: great five Series five. Yes, how wife loved that shot? 754 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,960 Speaker 1: Lebron or Michael Michael if the last dance and tell 755 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 1: everybody how good this guy is is It's scary, not 756 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: not taking something away from Lebron, but it's Michael. Your 757 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: last shore you did around the house. I cleaned the 758 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: stove off because I messed it up. I had to 759 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,799 Speaker 1: clean the sting that's still stove. I had to get 760 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: all the burnt stuff off the stove. Last song or 761 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:51,960 Speaker 1: station listened to in your car Pandora and I was 762 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: listening to what was listening to? Oh? I was listening 763 00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: to um um warranty regulating okay, And finally, your go 764 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,279 Speaker 1: to take out Let's say, when you're in Jacksonville, what's 765 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:16,359 Speaker 1: your go to take out? Your pies? Our blaze, It's 766 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: one of any other I'm it depends on if I 767 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: want to drive the blaze, and if not, I'm right 768 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,720 Speaker 1: around the point of the yr pie. So it's a pizza. 769 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's for my heart. The Jaguars are a 770 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 1: better place when you're around it. The NFL is a 771 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,799 Speaker 1: better place because you're around it. I can't thank you 772 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: enough for giving us the time today. And you know, 773 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: it's been a fantastic twenty four years now and you're 774 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 1: talking to you, and I think it's I think that 775 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: came across today in this stuff. I can't thank you enough. 776 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,280 Speaker 1: And uh, hopefully we do this again. So I appreciate 777 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: you very much. I thank you, John, thank you for 778 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,799 Speaker 1: having me. Man all right, I'd like to thank Keenan 779 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,239 Speaker 1: for giving us some time this week. And Dave, I 780 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 1: think it came across in the interview when I was 781 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: talking to him. One of my favorite players to cover 782 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: in years doing this. I'm proud to consider him a friend. 783 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,359 Speaker 1: We went from me covering him to run into him 784 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. I always followed his career, love watching 785 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,359 Speaker 1: him play. Uh, one of my favorites. I think that 786 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: came across. But you were a fan of this team 787 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,880 Speaker 1: when Keenan played. Tell me about what he meant to 788 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,880 Speaker 1: you as a fan and fans of his team in 789 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,799 Speaker 1: that in that era, he was thunder. That's all you 790 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,800 Speaker 1: gotta say. I mean, he was thunder. He uh you know, Keenan. 791 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 1: The one thing about him was that as a fan, 792 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 1: he just remember his toughness, right. He was Jimmy was 793 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 1: kind of the flash and and and Keenan was the 794 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,239 Speaker 1: tough guy that getting yards and and he'd get you know, 795 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,000 Speaker 1: smacked or pounded, big hit and get back up and 796 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,840 Speaker 1: the first downside. That's kind of what I remember about him. 797 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,799 Speaker 1: And that catching Denver, that really difficult catch. They man 798 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: in the in the back of the end zone. Um, 799 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,879 Speaker 1: you know, and like like I can't tell this story 800 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: about Keenan so um. I grew up a fan. Um 801 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,239 Speaker 1: you know. I went and work some other places after 802 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 1: I graduate college. I came back here and worked for 803 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,759 Speaker 1: a TV station in town. I was as a sports photographer. 804 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,520 Speaker 1: I was at the Senior Bowl. It was actually me 805 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: and Patrick Kavanaugh or other producer with the Jaguars. He 806 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: was working at the TV station as well. And we're 807 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,880 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl and we're like lowing the car up, 808 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,239 Speaker 1: putting cameras and tripods and in our car and we 809 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,400 Speaker 1: look over like it's thunder. It's Ken McCardell's when he 810 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 1: was right when he this was probably ten years ago, 811 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,560 Speaker 1: when he was an assistant coach for the Washington Redskins. Yeah, 812 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: and uh, we're like, it's thunder. We gotta go. And 813 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: we're not like I'm personally not like I go up 814 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,919 Speaker 1: to a guy and get a picture, but we were 815 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,880 Speaker 1: both like looking to them, fired up, and we went 816 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 1: over and grabbed a picture with him back you know, 817 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 1: back then, fast forward ten years later, it's like I 818 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,120 Speaker 1: see him at the hall in the hallway, and you 819 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,319 Speaker 1: know he's now he's you know, he's came in and 820 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,520 Speaker 1: you see him around and it's awesome for him to 821 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: be back with the Jaguars. It seems like his right place. 822 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 1: It seems like where he should be, you know. So 823 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 1: it's also cool to now now work with him. We 824 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,759 Speaker 1: don't work together and that you know, he's a coach 825 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: and I do what I do. But it's cool that 826 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: our past a cross across pretty often. And and I 827 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,080 Speaker 1: was super excited when we got him on the podcast, 828 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,600 Speaker 1: and I'm and I'm fired up that everybody got to 829 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 1: listen to this and I think I'll close with this. 830 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 1: They seems about Keenan in all my years of doing 831 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,600 Speaker 1: is covering college football, high school football, pro um. I 832 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,040 Speaker 1: don't want to say that the game meant more to 833 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,279 Speaker 1: him than it did anybody else I ever cover, because 834 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,440 Speaker 1: I've covered guys that it mattered too. But he's up 835 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:51,759 Speaker 1: there in terms of this mattered to him. He loves it. 836 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,280 Speaker 1: He loves what he's doing now. He's one of those guys. 837 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,520 Speaker 1: If he put on the path one more time, I'll 838 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,799 Speaker 1: bet he would trade years to go do it. You know, 839 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,880 Speaker 1: he loved it that much. It mattered to him. And 840 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,680 Speaker 1: my sense, Dave, is that that's why fans connected to 841 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,920 Speaker 1: him so much. You could see it in the way 842 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,839 Speaker 1: you could see it in the interviews. Uh. And I 843 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,919 Speaker 1: was glad to hear him say during the podcast being 844 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:22,360 Speaker 1: a Jaguar specifically mattered to him. He cherishes those times 845 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,879 Speaker 1: he was there when it was new. He understood the importance. 846 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 1: He had studied the history of the game, so he 847 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,560 Speaker 1: knew what ninety six was. All those things it killed 848 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 1: him like it did the fans to lose in ninety nine. 849 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,799 Speaker 1: All those things six with him. I don't know if 850 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,280 Speaker 1: he's the Mr Jaguar, but he would be a candidate 851 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,400 Speaker 1: in that sense. He's a guy who really defines a 852 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,400 Speaker 1: lot of his organizations and has been about NII. You know, 853 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 1: it was great to have him on and I think 854 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,040 Speaker 1: the the material is fertile enough, but I think we'll 855 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,480 Speaker 1: probably do it again at the point. He has a 856 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,920 Speaker 1: lot to say about a lot of that, and uh, 857 00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 1: with that, we'll close this up. I want to thank 858 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,239 Speaker 1: Joe for Shnado and David Dandas and uh once again, 859 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:03,840 Speaker 1: I hope we didn't stuck and I don't think this 860 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,040 Speaker 1: one did. Yeah,