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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 3: for everybody today. What do we have, Rissel?

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do lots of big news breaking this morning.

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Speaker 1: First and foremost, the debt ceiling bill did pass through

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Speaker 1: the House of Representatives. We have all the numbers on

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Speaker 1: that and what happens next, and also some behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes and side deals cut and all the things you

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Speaker 1: need to know about that, so we'll break that down

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Speaker 1: for you. Also have some big updates on twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: A new entrant into the race next week, Mike Pence

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Speaker 1: going ahead and giving it his shot, so not a

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Speaker 1: big surprise, but still interesting. Lots to do over there

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Speaker 1: also a New York Times focus group for Biden. It

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Speaker 1: was Biden voters talking about how they feel about him.

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Speaker 1: That was bad for him, but in some ways even

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Speaker 1: worse for Trump.

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Speaker 3: It was bad for everybody.

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Speaker 4: It was not yeah, and it.

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Speaker 1: Painted a very dismal portrait, I'm sure one that you

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Speaker 1: So we'll break that down for you as well. Also

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Speaker 1: new war of words between DeSantis and Trump. Some updates

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Speaker 1: responded to those Ukrainian drone strikes within Russia. Obviously very

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Speaker 1: very dangerous situation, and some note were they comments from

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Speaker 1: Congresswoman Ilhan Omar that we will play for you as well.

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Speaker 2: It is our two year anniversary and honestly feels completely

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Speaker 2: We'll save all of this. The very last segment of

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Speaker 2: the show today will be reflecting. We have a fun

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Speaker 4: We hadn't even announced, like we didn't exit or anything.

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Speaker 1: So most of the opposition for this really came from

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Speaker 1: Most of the caucus remained with McCarthy and was able

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Speaker 3: Well, no, you didn't. You actually all just got humiliated.

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Speaker 2: And like you know, they were guaranteed all these so

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Speaker 3: So well they haven't done a motion to vacate yet.

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Speaker 2: I mean they seem upset, but they told their base

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Speaker 2: He actually ended up giving way less of it away

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean it's kind of weird because they'll

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Speaker 1: I think that kind of reveals that some of this,

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, life is a stage, right, I mean

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Speaker 2: this is especially politics, it's all theater.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, they're like a whole complaining and all. It's like, well,

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Speaker 2: There's no app there's no way to look at it

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Speaker 4: Now that's all on him.

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Speaker 4: He was forced into it.

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Speaker 3: So very likely not going to see any crisis. But

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Speaker 3: we'll keep everybody updated.

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Speaker 1: This whole thing was kind of frustrating and raging, and

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Speaker 1: I'll be very happy to not talk about it again for.

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Speaker 4: Quite a while.

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Speaker 3: Good riding two years. We'll cover it on our four

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Speaker 3: year endit.

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Speaker 4: There you go, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Apparently that's what we're at it. Okay, let's talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about some new data we're getting out about

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Speaker 1: the likely presidential matchup between former President Trump and current

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Speaker 1: President Biden. Put this up on the screen for the

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Speaker 1: New York Times. They did a focus group of eleven

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Speaker 1: Biden vote and you know, always take these with a

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Speaker 1: grain of salt. It's just eleven people, but it's always

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Speaker 1: interesting to hear what actually actual voters are saying about

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Speaker 1: how they feel about the stay of the country and

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Speaker 1: the man that all eleven of them actually voted for

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Speaker 1: but are feeling kind of shaky.

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Speaker 4: On this time around.

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Speaker 1: So keep this up on the screen, guys, because I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna read off they asked. One of the questions they

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Speaker 1: asked is if you were giving the weather forecast for

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Speaker 1: how things are going in America, what would you say.

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Speaker 4: Here's the sample of the answers.

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Speaker 1: One said, Icee Stormy, I think we're had in the

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Speaker 1: wrong direction. Next one says, cloudy with a chance of

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Speaker 1: tick tick boom. He's a very literary person. I think

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Speaker 1: there's going to be an outer force of danger that

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Speaker 1: is going to unite as kind of like nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Did oh, that's kind of dark too. The pendulint has

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Speaker 1: to swing the other way. Another one said, my forecast

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Speaker 1: is very cloudy with the chance of a heavy downpour

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Speaker 1: and maybe a tornado, you know, just to recap, and

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Speaker 1: we've got some other graphics we can show you. They

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Speaker 1: asked this group a series of questions about, you know,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel about Biden? And is he doing

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Speaker 1: a good job? And is he a good leader? On

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Speaker 1: a number of questions that you know had positive attributes

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Speaker 1: about Biden, no one agreed with the sentiment. So they asked,

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Speaker 1: is Biden a good leader? Not a one of them

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Speaker 1: raise their hands. They asked, does he share my values?

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Speaker 1: This actually surprised me. Not a one of them raise

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Speaker 1: their hands. They asked, you know, did he do better, worse,

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Speaker 1: or the same than you expected? No one said he

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Speaker 1: did better than they expected. They asked, is he up

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Speaker 1: to the task of being president through twenty twenty eight?

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Speaker 1: No one said yes, And they asked, how do you

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Speaker 1: feel about his handling of the economy, and no one

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Speaker 1: had a positive feeling about his handling of the economy.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead and put this next piece up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So they say, what is one word you would use

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Speaker 1: to describe how you feel about the November twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four presidential election You are not going to be surprised by. Well,

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Speaker 1: maybe there's one that you'll be surprised about, they say.

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Speaker 1: The first person says, is shit show one word or two?

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Speaker 1: How about circus nice? One says anxious, apprehensive, scared? I

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Speaker 1: think unforgettable, scary, eager, okay, confused, geriatric self.

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Speaker 4: Park episode and defeated.

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Speaker 1: Put the next graphic we have up on the screen

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Speaker 1: here as well. See another piece of this. They say,

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Speaker 1: you're all in this group because you voted for Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden in twenty twenty. That doesn't mean that you love

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Speaker 1: what he's done or that you support him now. It

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Speaker 1: just means you voted for him in twenty twenty. So

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Speaker 1: why did you vote for Joe Biden in twenty twenty election?

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Speaker 1: One person says, it really was the lesser of two evils,

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Speaker 1: felt like the only thing I could do. Another says,

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Speaker 1: I just couldn't stomach Trump. Another says, I hate to

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Speaker 1: say it, but pretty much the same reason, and another

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Speaker 1: one says, I didn't vote for Biden, I voted against Trump,

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Speaker 1: and sager. This was a consistent theme. Every one of

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Speaker 1: these people said they are not impressed with Biden. They

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Speaker 1: don't think he's up to the task of.

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Speaker 4: Another four years.

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Speaker 1: They're disappointed, they're unhappy with the economy, they see the

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Speaker 1: outlook as stormy. They're all these sentiments, right, But then

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Speaker 1: when you ask them, well, who are going to vote

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Speaker 1: for this time, almost all of them said Biden again, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because Trump or DeSantis, in our opinion, is worse.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: There was one person, I think who said that they

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Speaker 1: were very likely to just not vote, and I do

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Speaker 1: think those people. You know, these are people that all

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Speaker 1: voted for Biden last time. It was a narrow election,

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Speaker 1: so he really needs to win all of these type

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Speaker 1: of people again.

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Speaker 4: So the fact that you.

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Speaker 1: Have even any of them saying, you know what, I

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Speaker 1: may just not vote, I may vote third party, I'll

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Speaker 1: see who the Republicans put up. The fact that you

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Speaker 1: have any of that going on is actually a bit

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Speaker 1: of a worrying sign for Biden, and they are concerned

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Speaker 1: about there's a higher percentage this time around than last

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Speaker 1: time who say they would consider voting third party or independent.

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Speaker 1: And you know, that was part of the complex set

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Speaker 1: of factors that led to Hillary Clinton losing in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: when you had a lot of people who just literally

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Speaker 1: would not stomach either Trump or Hillary and voted for

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Speaker 1: Johnson or Stein in that election.

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Speaker 4: So I thought that was interesting too.

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Speaker 2: On DeSantis, I'm not sure it was all of them.

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Speaker 2: I think it was only what three or four right

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Speaker 2: who said that they wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Vote for him.

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Speaker 2: But my personal favorite was this one from the Nick

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Speaker 2: what do you mean by south Park episode? He says,

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Speaker 2: there was an episode in south Park from two thousand

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Speaker 2: and four there was a mock election. Everybody just keeps

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Speaker 2: voting for the vote for the lesser of two evils.

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Speaker 2: They're voting just to keep someone else out. I hate

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Speaker 2: that because that becomes a scenario I have committed to

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Speaker 2: vote for a third party this coming election.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was really interesting. This was Nick.

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Speaker 2: He's a thirty seven year old from Iowa, a white guy,

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Speaker 2: independent and business manager. So you know, that's actually a

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Speaker 2: good glimpse I think into you know, kind of like

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Speaker 2: who and what are thinking about the election and the

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Speaker 2: despair and all of that that they feel. I think

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Speaker 2: what becomes very clear is that Trump himself does have

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Speaker 2: and I think this is what his supporters always underestimate,

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Speaker 2: which is as much as you love Trump, which is

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Speaker 2: that's the thing with Trump, he gets more love than

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Speaker 2: any politician probably that I've ever seen in my lifetime.

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Speaker 2: He gets an equal amount of hate from a lot

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Speaker 2: of people too. Yeah, and those balance out, you know,

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Speaker 2: in terms of the positive.

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Speaker 3: Number of people who are willing to come out and vote.

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Speaker 2: And then in some cases not even just balance, like

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Speaker 2: there are even more people who are both repulsed, and

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Speaker 2: then when it comes time to pull the lever, decide

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Speaker 2: not to. Now, look, there's obviously a hell of a

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Speaker 2: lot that can go on, and he almost did win

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty election. He came incredibly close, as we've

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Speaker 2: pointed out here, and DeSantis did too.

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Speaker 3: If you just.

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Speaker 2: Encourage mail in voting, he literally would have won. So

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Speaker 2: that's a whole other narrative that is out there. So

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Speaker 2: I don't want to underestimate his strength, but you shouldn't

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Speaker 2: underestimate some of his weaknesses either, and the weakness is

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Speaker 2: very full on display here.

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Speaker 4: And at this point, you know, Biden is incumbent president.

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Speaker 1: That comes with significant advantages because people find you know,

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Speaker 1: change in switching horses, minstream or whatever that whatever that's

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Speaker 1: saying is they find that unsettling, and so incumbents and

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Speaker 1: you have the bully pulpit, and you know, you are

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Speaker 1: in the office of commander in chief, so nobody has

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Speaker 1: any trouble envisioning it. That comes with a significant advantage,

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Speaker 1: and so that makes it more difficult for Trump. On

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Speaker 1: the other hand, at the time last time around, you

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Speaker 1: had the immediate specter of Trump in office is just

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Speaker 1: doing a horrific job managing the pandemic and you know,

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Speaker 1: people dying, and it was a very bad time in America.

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Speaker 4: So you had this immediate.

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Speaker 1: Example of what it looked like to actually have Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump as president of the United States. You know, one

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Speaker 1: of the things that did surprise me was that no

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Speaker 1: one said that Biden shares my values because one of

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Speaker 1: his political strengths. And the man obviously has political strengths

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Speaker 1: because he is president of the United States and was

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Speaker 1: previously you know, vice president for eight years, and well

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Speaker 1: like during that time. One of his strengths has always

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Speaker 1: been that people do feel like he shares their values,

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Speaker 1: that they do feel like he's sort of like an

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Speaker 1: empathetic person and gets their struggles and what they're going through.

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Speaker 1: So I was a little bit surprised by that, by

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Speaker 1: that perspective offered by eleven, all eleven of these individuals.

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Speaker 1: One woman who is a black independent who's not working, said,

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Speaker 1: I think Biden is the corporate elitist type person that

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Speaker 1: camouflages himself as a regular guy, and that was her

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Speaker 1: answer for why she didn't feel that he shared her values.

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Speaker 1: There was another portion, Nick, who's a thirty seven year

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Speaker 1: old white independent business manager. He was talking about the

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Speaker 1: economy and said, there's not enough being done to help

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Speaker 1: shoulder some of these increases. When you see these other

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Speaker 1: companies posting record profits. That's concerning to me. Continuing to

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Speaker 1: line the pockets of the elite while everyone else is

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Speaker 1: struggling is not okay. And I thought those were interesting

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Speaker 1: because what a lot of people would take away from

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Speaker 1: a focus group like this is like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we got to come to the center, and we got

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Speaker 1: to be more moderate, and a lot of people express

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Speaker 1: sentiments like that, but then when you ask some specifics

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Speaker 1: about what they want, it's actually like, it's actually, we

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Speaker 1: got to go after the elites. It's actually not sort

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Speaker 1: of the classic view of what a corporate centrist moderate

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Speaker 1: position would look like. So media's definition of what moderate

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Speaker 1: is and actual voters how they articulate it tends to

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Speaker 1: be very, very different. Another thing that I thought was interesting, Sager,

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Speaker 1: is when they asked people what was it that you

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Speaker 1: liked that Biden did, A number of them were like,

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Speaker 1: I have to get back.

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Speaker 4: To you on that, like I'm not really sure.

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Speaker 1: But the people who were able to name things, A

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Speaker 1: few people named student loan debt relief that was something

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Speaker 1: that was very tangible for them, and I think one

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Speaker 1: of them named infrastructure. So I thought that was interesting too,

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Speaker 1: And it kind of makes some sense because if you're

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Speaker 1: a person who's going to benefit from student loan debt

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Speaker 1: relief that is like really measurable, really impacting.

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Speaker 4: Your life, it's going to stick with you.

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Speaker 1: It's not something that I would some a morphous bill

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Speaker 1: that passed and now I can't even remember the details

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Speaker 1: of it. It felt very real and very concrete and

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Speaker 1: was the thing that most immediately came to mind for

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Speaker 1: a number of the people that they interviewed.

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Speaker 2: Here kind of interesting. I love looking into the views

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Speaker 2: of just like how people actually vote, you know, in

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Speaker 2: terms of the pundits, and everybody thinks that people are

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Speaker 2: so iconic class they're really not like they're just completely

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Speaker 2: they're really they have contradictory beliefs of which they would

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Speaker 2: never find contradictory. They don't fit meekly into a box.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it is personality based, but a lot

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Speaker 2: of it is also policy base. And you just can't

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Speaker 2: cast a wide breath, Yeah, telling I love about this country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bottom line I would say from this poll, not poll,

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Speaker 1: focus group, small caveats, remember all of that. But the

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Speaker 1: general sentiment is pretty much backing up the theory of

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Speaker 1: the case that the Biden White House has, which is, yeah,

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Speaker 1: people don't really particularly like our guy. His favorability is

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Speaker 1: in the toilet. People are disappointed, they don't feel great

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Speaker 1: about the direction of the country. But when push comes

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Speaker 1: to shove and they're faced with our guy versus Trump,

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Speaker 1: They're all going to come home. They're going to vote

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Speaker 1: a guy once again for what they view as the

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Speaker 1: lesser of two evils and they're going to have no

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Speaker 1: other choice than to come back into our camp. And

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Speaker 1: you know, based on these responses, i'd say that it's.

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Speaker 4: Frankly, it's not a bad bet. Yep, you're right, Okay.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, we got some news about another

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Speaker 1: contender entering the Republican side of the equation. This would

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Speaker 1: be former Vice President Mike Pence, who's been signaling for

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Speaker 1: some time that he was very likely to launch his

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Speaker 1: own presidential campaign. Let's put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: He is eyeing a twenty twenty four campaign launch next week.

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Speaker 1: The source said. Pence's team is finalizing plans to launch

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Speaker 1: the campaign his campaign for the White House, joining the

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Speaker 1: expanding GOP primary field, with a forward looking video announcement

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Speaker 1: and speech that makes the case for his candidacy. I

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Speaker 1: guess he is going to say no thanks on the

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk Twitter launch.

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Speaker 4: Given recent experiences, He's going.

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Speaker 3: With the sure be offered either true. I guess it.

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Speaker 1: Technically, yeah, he theoretically was like, oh sure, I talk

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Speaker 1: to anybody anyway. I don't know that there are gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot of takers on that offer at this point.

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Speaker 1: Pence going with a more traditional announcement. He is expected

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Speaker 1: to put a lot of his focus on Iowa, they say,

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Speaker 1: which hosts the first caucus of the GOP primary calendar.

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Speaker 1: And also of note, he is participating in a CNN

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Speaker 1: town hall in Des Moines on June seventh, so that

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Speaker 1: is next week being billed as a presidential town hall.

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Speaker 1: And you know, for those who are I guess looking

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Speaker 1: to bolster the Pence case, there was a poll that

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Speaker 1: found that you know, a majority of Republicans said they

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Speaker 1: would consider supporting him, though they don't support him, but

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Speaker 1: they would at least consider it. So he's not completely

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Speaker 1: off the table here. So that's kind of the layelah

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Speaker 1: Land for him. I mean, the Iowa focus saga, I

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Speaker 1: think makes a lot of sense because you do have

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Speaker 1: a very well organized, sort of evangelical right in Iowa

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Speaker 1: that he has spent a lot of time cultivating and

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Speaker 1: making inroads with. That's why he's leaned into things like,

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Speaker 1: you know, his support of a national abortion ban. We

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Speaker 1: noted right away that he was maybe the first major

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Speaker 1: politician after Roe versus Wade was overturning that Dobb's decision

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Speaker 1: to come out affirmatively for hey, we need to get

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Speaker 1: on board with the national abortion ban. It's a very

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Speaker 1: extreme position that has very low support among the public

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Speaker 1: at large, But I think we'll find an eager audience

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Speaker 1: within the Iowa caucus.

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Speaker 4: Faithful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who won the Iowa caucuses in twenty sixteen, Ted Cruz.

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Speaker 3: You know why? Evangelicals. I've got the breakdown right here

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Speaker 3: in front of me.

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Speaker 2: Evangelical Protestants make up the second largest religious group in

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Speaker 2: all of Iowa.

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Speaker 3: Combine them with.

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Speaker 2: Catholics and you've got another eighteen percent, and you're literally

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Speaker 2: looking at almost majority of the people in the state

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Speaker 2: who are going to have at least a sympathetic view.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess technically on abortion or.

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Speaker 2: The very least people were very motivated to vote in

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Speaker 2: a GOP primary. It was very key to the Ted

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Speaker 2: Cruz victory in Iowa was to go and mobilize the

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Speaker 2: evangelical community. They had the Ted Cruz camps as what

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Speaker 2: they were called at the time. Firstly would have had

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Speaker 2: a better creepy yahtle in my opinion, a little weird,

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Speaker 2: but worked out. So, I guess what can you say

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Speaker 2: for the Iowa caucuses? This is going to be the

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Speaker 2: key and it is also not a surprise that Mike

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Speaker 2: Pence has not trained his fire on Donald Trump because

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Speaker 2: he's not really competing with a lot of votes for

734
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Speaker 2: him in Iowa. Who's he competing with Ron DeSantis, who

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Speaker 2: as we speak, is in Iowa right now, and we're

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Speaker 2: going to show you some clips in a little bit

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Speaker 2: from his speeches there. He needs to take out DeSantis

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Speaker 2: and to compete there if he wants to see any

739
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Speaker 2: sort of victory in the state or place in the

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Speaker 2: top three, which is why he actually took a shot

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Speaker 2: at DeSantis in a very recent interview.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: I like Walt Disney, not Walke Disney, and I fully

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Speaker 5: support what Florida did and challenging a left wing agenda

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Speaker 5: for children under third grade. In fact, I'd like to

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Speaker 5: see them expand that in the interest of families in Florida.

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Speaker 5: But where I took issue several months ago was as

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Speaker 5: a limited government conservative. I don't believe it's the role

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Speaker 5: of government to then essentially go after corporations that differed

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Speaker 5: with them in the political process.

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Speaker 2: So look, Mike Pence is basically trying to run the

752
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Speaker 2: Reagan two point zero playbook, just not as charismatic and

753
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Speaker 2: not as good as a politician. So you know, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: I do think I'm not going to say I'll be formidable.

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Speaker 2: I think he'll place. I think he's probably good eight

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Speaker 2: to ten percent of a decent amount of ceiling any

757
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Speaker 2: of these places. And a lot of the polling bears

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Speaker 2: that out put this up there on the screen. This

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Speaker 2: is our latest twenty twenty four tracking from Morning Console,

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Speaker 2: and it shows you in the polling number one Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump at fifty six percent, Number two Ron DeSantis at

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Speaker 2: twenty two percent, Mike Pence at five sounds about right,

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Speaker 2: maybe double that in Iowa because you got more evangelicals

764
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Speaker 2: and you got more Catholics. But you can't forget a

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Speaker 2: lot of those people. They love Trump too because in

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Speaker 2: a debate, not that may there may be a debate.

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Speaker 2: We'll see whether Trump deans to go on the stage.

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Speaker 2: But if he's going to hit back, he's got the

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Speaker 2: greatest attack of all.

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Speaker 3: I got it done. Mike didn't do anything.

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Speaker 2: He didn't stand up for me on January sixth, and

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Speaker 2: I'm the one who got it done. A DeSantis also,

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Speaker 2: frankly has a good, credible legislative case of I signed

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Speaker 2: a six week band in a purple state. I actually

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Speaker 2: got that done. So once again, to that community, you're

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Speaker 2: looking at two people who have actually done something and

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Speaker 2: then one guy rhetorically who is not necessarily there. So

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Speaker 2: looking at all that, I think Trump and DeSantis have

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Speaker 2: a very coo credible case to make to the Evangelical Protestants,

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Speaker 2: and you know.

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Speaker 3: Either they're going to have to compete for it.

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Speaker 2: If anything, Pence is just a spoiler for the Ronda Santis,

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Speaker 2: for the Ronda de Santis campaign.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to see a pathway to Mike Pence being

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Speaker 1: the GOP nominee. You know, he the Trump people, the

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Speaker 1: hardcore Trump people have no love for him because he

788
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Speaker 1: didn't back Trump on January sixth, and has you know,

789
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Speaker 1: castigated him somewhat mildly for his actions on that day.

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Speaker 1: The hardcore never trumpers have no love for him because

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Speaker 1: he didn't because he you know, carried water for Trump

792
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Speaker 1: for all four years, and then even after you had

793
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Speaker 1: this mob running around threatening hang him, he still could

794
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Speaker 1: barely muster an attack on Trump over any of that.

795
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Speaker 1: But I do think he is a real problem for

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Speaker 1: Ronda Santis, maybe more so than some of these other characters.

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Speaker 1: Because I do think he has a solid five percent,

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Speaker 1: five to ten percent, and especially in a state like Iowa.

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Speaker 1: And remember Ron DeSantis is really betting the farm on Iowa,

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Speaker 1: Iowa and New Hampshire, but in particular Iowa, because if

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Speaker 1: you don't come out of the gate strong and you're him,

802
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Speaker 1: and you're facing down the juggernaut of Donald Trump, it.

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Speaker 4: Gets real dicey, real quick.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that Pence has any sort of traction

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Speaker 1: in that state, and I do think he has some

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Speaker 1: limited traction in that state, those are votes that are

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Speaker 1: coming not from the Donald Trump pile of the of

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Speaker 1: the voter base. They're coming out of the DeSantis group

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Speaker 1: of voters. I would very much doubt that there's a

810
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Speaker 1: lot of overlap between the Trump and the Pence voting

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Speaker 1: base at this point. So this comes directly out of

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Speaker 1: Desanta's to share the pie.

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Speaker 4: And when you.

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Speaker 1: Already have Donald Trump over fifty percent in certainly nationally

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Speaker 1: and in a lot of these early primary states as well,

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Speaker 1: you not only have.

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Speaker 4: To coalesce all of the other.

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Speaker 1: Voters that are out there, you've got to be able

819
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Speaker 1: to eat into the Trump margin as well. Having Pence

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Speaker 1: and the race just complicates the situation, you know, Emily

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Speaker 1: and I covered yesterday too, Chris Christy getting in the race.

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Speaker 1: Not that I think Chris Christy has a shot either

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Speaker 1: at this whole thing, but the fact that you have

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Speaker 1: so many contender jumping in show's number one DeSantis's weakness.

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Speaker 4: He didn't scare them out of the race. He didn't

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Speaker 4: do whatever.

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Speaker 1: Was necessary to get everybody to cole less behind one

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Speaker 1: Trump alternative. And I just think that that really makes

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Speaker 1: things difficult for him. It makes it much more like

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. I know we've said this over and over again,

831
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Speaker 1: but especially when I see like the way that they're

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Speaker 1: all positioning themselves as I'm the true conservative, like Mike

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Speaker 1: Pence is doing that, DeSantis is doing that, Tim Scott

834
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Speaker 1: is doing that. That's what was tried in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: It was the best case they could make against Trump,

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Ye guess close. It actually didn't work.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to around DeSantis then, because it's actually Bears

839
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Speaker 2: talking about This is one where I'm not so Look,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure it'll work.

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Speaker 3: I personally don't think so.

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Speaker 2: But if it was ever going to work, it is

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Speaker 2: going to look something like this DeSantis, Unlike Pence, Tim Scott,

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Speaker 2: Nikki Haley, who's kicking in various directions, uh vivek Ramaswami,

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Speaker 2: all these all these other people, is actually taking Trump

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Speaker 2: on head on and casting himself as the only other

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Speaker 2: legitimate challenger, which I think is true and is rhetorically

848
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Speaker 2: not really letting any of the Trump attacks go unanswered.

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Speaker 3: It's no longer silly season.

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Speaker 2: Apparently he is actually decided to come out and confront

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Speaker 2: Trump at the very least on some of the attacks

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Speaker 2: that have been levied against him.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I've been.

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Speaker 2: Impressed by it, especially with the way he's been able

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Speaker 2: to take it on in Iowa. Here's what he had

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Speaker 2: to say on the ground. Keep in mind, in front

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Speaker 2: of Republican voters. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 6: I do think unfortunately he's decided to move left on

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Speaker 6: some of these issues. If you say Cuomo did a

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Speaker 6: better job with COVID than Florida did, first of all,

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Speaker 6: that's not what he used to say. This is like

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Speaker 6: new like six months ago. He would have never said that, right.

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Speaker 6: He used to say how great Florida was. Hell, his

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Speaker 6: whole family moved to Florida under my governorship, are you

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Speaker 6: kidding me? It's also the case that you know, we're

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Speaker 6: proud of what we've been able to do in our state.

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Speaker 6: We won the biggest election landslide that Florida Republicans have

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Speaker 6: ever won. And did he ever say anything, I got

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Speaker 6: a boy, good job.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 6: He attacked me three days before the midterm election, and

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Speaker 6: then he started attacking after that. And so I'm just

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Speaker 6: thinking to myself, you're a Florida resident. If I saw

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Speaker 6: an election landslide where we swept every statewide office, super

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Speaker 6: majorities in the legislature, elect twenty nine conservative school board members,

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Speaker 6: as a Florida resident, I would be cheering for that.

877
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 6: If you put the mission first, you would definitely be

878
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 6: cheering for that.

879
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 3: What can you say, Crystal? He's right, He's obviously correct. A.

880
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: You moved to Florida, your whole family became residents. And

881
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: the second one is I still believe that is the

882
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 2: strongest attack against Trump, which is I'm an actual winner.

883
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 3: I one big. You are the one who cost us.

884
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: He actually even said later on, he said we would

885
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: have had fifty five Senate seats if it wasn't for

886
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: mother nonsense that was going on. Also possibly correct, right,

887
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: given what the term, given what the wins were and

888
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: all that. Who knows with roversus Wade, let's put that aside.

889
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: The problem for DeSantis is for him, for the GOP

890
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: bas to overall coalesce around that message, they would also

891
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: have to believe that Trump was a loser, and they

892
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: don't believe Trump was a loser. That that's the has

893
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: like and I've said the Gordian knot before. I really

894
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 2: think it is because I watched that and I'm like, man,

895
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: that is such a compelling general election case. But we're

896
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: not in a general election. Yeah, We're in a primary.

897
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: And he has got to make he is. He's got

898
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: a project on his hand, which is always the hardest

899
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: thing to do. You have to change the way that

900
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: voters think. You almost never can do that in politics.

901
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: You usually have to come and meet MO voters exactly

902
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: where they are. He has to change, he has to

903
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 2: change their thoughts from Trump won and was unfairly stolen

904
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: to Trump is a loser and I'm an actual winner.

905
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: I personally just feel that it's such a titanic task

906
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: that it's not able to accomplish. But I think if

907
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: it ever could be, it's going to look something like that.

908
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 2: Nobody else has been willing to say something, nobody else

909
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: has been willing to take him on this way.

910
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: Well, he tried the other approach of staying quiet, and

911
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: it failed, and he saw his polls go like this.

912
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: So I think he looked at that state of affairs

913
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: and said, all right, well, that strategy is not working,

914
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: especially because everybody else in the race, or even theoretically

915
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: going to get in the race, they were all taking

916
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: shots at him, not at Trump. So after watching that

917
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: all unfold and seeing that it wasn't a winning strategy

918
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: for him, He's decided to go on the offense. And

919
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: I think that makes a lot of you know, logical

920
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: rational sense. I saw this morning Trump just put out

921
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: this mashup I think over on true social of Ron

922
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: DeSantis just kissing his but to try to get his endorsement,

923
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: going on Fox this is the greatest Republican president that

924
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: we've had, and going on and on, Oh, he's the

925
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: art of the deal and he knows how to negotiate

926
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: the whole bit because he was desperate to get Trump's

927
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: approval and get his endorsement. I mean that part is

928
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: actually true that Trump says about him and you know

929
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. It's kind of more visceral than

930
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: this like theoretical ideological policy distinctions that he's making here.

931
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to be interested to see. I genuinely don't know.

932
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to be you know, humble about making any

933
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: predictions here. I want to see does DeSantis going on

934
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: in the offense? Does it move the polls at all?

935
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: It's really open in my mind.

936
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: It's really open whether it changes anything, whether it causes

937
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: him to go up in the polls, or it actually

938
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: could cause him to go down very easily.

939
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 4: This could have a backlash. There's a reason why every

940
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 4: other candidate.

941
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: Has decided I'm not even going to say anything about

942
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: Daddy Trump because they're fearful of that backlash. And we've

943
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: seen many instances in the past where people, you know,

944
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: comment Trump and it ends up being too very much

945
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: to their detriment. So I wouldn't be surprised by that

946
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: outcome at all. I think he's got to do what

947
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: he's doing right now. I think it is, you know,

948
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: he's got to take a shot. You can't just sit

949
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: there and continue to take on water and take all

950
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: the hits from Trump and not say anything in your

951
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: defense and not try to push back. But you know,

952
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: I continue to be skeptical that it's really going to work.

953
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 3: Out for it. That's why I admire it, because it's

954
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 3: genuinely risky. You know.

955
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: Look, I mean remember how many times we were talking

956
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: during the twenty twenty primary with the Democrats or like

957
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders refuses to hit you know, Bernie uh toe

958
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: Biden because you personally likes him, and you know, even

959
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: though tech he's like, oh, it's existential, but also he's

960
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: my old friend Joe.

961
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: It's like, listen, you very rarely see it.

962
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 2: You very rarely see somebody who's a legitimate contender number

963
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: two actually go after the number one because of their

964
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: overall political popularity.

965
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 3: It's actually usually you see.

966
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: It from like the the number five and the number

967
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: six and all that, and then there's all because I mean,

968
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: here's the reason why, which is that the number two

969
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: preference for Trump voters is one hundred percent going to

970
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: be Ron DeSantis, and all the second choice data will

971
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: back that up vice versa. In terms of DeSantis, a

972
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: lot of the people who like DeSantis the big portion,

973
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: not the I'm done with Trump are I like Trump,

974
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 2: I'm willing to consider somebody else. Well, those people they're

975
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: gonna have Trump as their number two. They don't really

976
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 2: like to see party in fighting the whole Reagan rule

977
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: thou shall not attack or whatever a fellow Republican. And

978
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: DeSantis has decided correctly, I think, which is look, kissing

979
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: his ass all the way to the finish line. It's

980
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: not gonna work, as you saw by his sinking like

981
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: a rock in all of these polls. The only way

982
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: is to draw a contrast high risk because also he

983
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: could flame out, you know, he could lose, go down

984
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: and then never be seen as a treadible, credible alternative

985
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: to Trump in the future. And Trump will not only

986
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: win the primary, but then ridicule and make fun of

987
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: him for the next eight year.

988
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, so this is a very risky strategy. Yeah,

989
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 3: which is again why I respect it. It might work.

990
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: That is that's a good point. A lot of the

991
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: other people that are in the race. Yeah, they'd like

992
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: to be president now, they'd like to be Trump, but

993
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: they're also positioning themselves for like maybe.

994
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 4: I'll get a cabinet stirs terry of Treasury. Maybe, you know, if.

995
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: Trump wins, then he can only serve one term. Maybe

996
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: I'll be next in line. And if that's a strategy

997
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,479
Speaker 1: you are pursuing, the most intelligent thing to do is.

998
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 4: To you know, basically praise. I like Trump's policies and

999
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 4: he was a great leader.

1000
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: I just think it's time to move on or say

1001
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: something generic like that, like that's kind of the Tim

1002
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: Scott approach, for example. And so, yeah, Santis has put

1003
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: all his eggs in this basket because very likely if

1004
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: you genuinely go on the offense against Trump and it doesn't.

1005
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 4: Work out for you, you may.

1006
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: Be dead within Republican politics in terms of ever running

1007
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: for president again. Certainly in terms of getting any sort

1008
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: of like plumb post ambassadorship or cabinet position or whatever

1009
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: in a future potential Trump administration, you could be crushing

1010
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: your entire political future.

1011
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's only forty four years old. He's not playing

1012
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: it safe, and you know, personally.

1013
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: I like it. Yeah, all right, So let's go to

1014
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 3: the next one here.

1015
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: It's a bit of a problem for Ron, you know,

1016
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: after we just praised him a little bit. Put this

1017
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: up there about the starring rob.

1018
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

1019
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: Leaked audio from a Ron Desanta's donor event is very

1020
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: bad news for his campaign. This is a reporter over

1021
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: at the Daily Beast. You got his hands on some

1022
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: leaked audio from inside of this. But it actually shows

1023
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: data internal Ron DeSantis data, which is really not that great.

1024
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: The data they showed showed both Trump and DeSantis quote

1025
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 2: unquote virtually tied. Now, of course they're trying to show

1026
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: the silver linings, but really what they did is they

1027
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: presented data showing him with better favorability in.

1028
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 3: Some of these states.

1029
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: But they also had a presentation where they try to

1030
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: explain why Desantas is not running stronger against Trump, but

1031
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: that means that the governor has not faced any current

1032
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: substance of a tax as president. They show that his

1033
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 2: favorability ratings actually might be inflated because he hasn't been

1034
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: fully attacked and defined by Trump on this. And it's

1035
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: also shows you that his favorability rating Trump's is still

1036
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: so high in every single one of these places, and

1037
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 2: not only that, according to their internal data, it's.

1038
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 3: Almost immovable at this point.

1039
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 2: And to that, I think they're right, which is what

1040
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: can you possibly say about him that has.

1041
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: Not been said?

1042
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything exists every person in this country has been

1043
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: bombarded for the last seven years with ex Trump, the

1044
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: good things about Trump, bad things about Trump. It's exhausting,

1045
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: and so you're never I really believe at this point

1046
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: you will not change the way that anybody feels about Trump.

1047
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: You may like now, you could change somebody who goes

1048
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 2: I like him. I don't think it'll be as effective

1049
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: as a president. Again, I just did a whole segment

1050
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: on this where I'm like, I don't. I think that's

1051
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: a very tall order, but maybe that's something that could

1052
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: actually happen. But when you're looking at some of his

1053
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: internal data here even in the early voting states, to

1054
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 2: basically admit that your favorability ratings aren't as high as Trump,

1055
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: and that you're basically trying to show that, you know,

1056
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 2: a lot of this is even pre hotly contested primary

1057
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: that's not necessarily the bad thing.

1058
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know all campaigns will do this still,

1059
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: cherry pick data to present to donors that's like their

1060
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: best theory of the case. And so Daily Beast gets

1061
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: their hands on this leaked audio, and the problem for

1062
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: the DeSantis camp is that it's sort of obvious by

1063
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: the way they're cherry picking things and what the numbers are.

1064
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: On the other side, that they have a pretty that

1065
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 1: they got a tough road, and then in some ways

1066
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: the data that they picked actually made a better case

1067
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: for Trump than it made for DeSantis. One of the

1068
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: pieces that I found particularly interesting is DeSantis's team presented

1069
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: datas showing voters believe the governor to be more conservative

1070
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: than Trump, a fact the presenter can be heard in

1071
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: the leaked audio saying quote is really important in a

1072
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: Republican primary. Indeed, DeSantis is considered very conservative by half

1073
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: of likely GOP voters in Iowa, forty three percent in

1074
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: New Hampshire, forty five percent in South Carolina. But the

1075
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: problem is Trump is actually winning voters who say that

1076
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: they are very conservative. So even though voters in the

1077
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: GOP base think DeSantis by and large they think he's

1078
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: more conservative than Trump, even those who self identify as like, yeah,

1079
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: that's my lane and that's how I identify myself, many of

1080
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: them majority are still voting for Trump. So DeSantis, the

1081
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: way he's positioned himself is I'm a hit Trump from

1082
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: the right. I'm a position myself to the right on

1083
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: key issues like abortion for example, and that's going to

1084
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: be my way of sort of stripping some of his

1085
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: voting base from him by persuading them that I am

1086
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: the real conservative. But at least at this early stage

1087
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: in the game, he has successfully convinced voters that he

1088
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: is more conservative than Trump, but they're still like, yeah,

1089
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: I've always still liked Trump. Yes, I mean, that's pretty

1090
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Speaker 1: damaging in terms of your prospects. And the other thing

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Speaker 1: that you were pointing to sober that I think is

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Speaker 1: really important. Trump's favorability, which is high among Republicans, is

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Speaker 1: it's a solid as.

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Speaker 4: It could possibly be.

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Speaker 3: It will change, It's not going to change.

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Speaker 1: DeSantis has a high favorability among Republican voters, but people

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Speaker 1: know him a lot less and so his is a

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Speaker 1: lot softer. So it's unlikely it's going to go up,

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Speaker 1: very possible that it goes down. So that is, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's a potential weakness for him. Now they are presenting

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Speaker 1: it as like, oh, he hasn't even introduced himself to

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Speaker 1: the public, But the flip side of that is, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he also hasn't gotten into the full melee of a

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Speaker 1: presidential campaign, with where ratings almost always go down rather

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Speaker 1: than go up. Because you're just taking on so much

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Speaker 1: water from everybody else.

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Speaker 2: It's also worth talking about favorability to Republicans. Do you

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00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: know what that actually means. It means how much the

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00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: liberal mainstream media hates you. That's basically it. And it's

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Speaker 2: like Trump, you can say many things.

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Speaker 3: He is the king of being hated.

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Speaker 2: Sure the media hates DeSantis, but they don't necessarily hate

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Speaker 2: him in the same visceral like he's a fascist and

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Speaker 2: all these other cringe you know, takes that have been

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00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: flying around now for seven years. Trump is the king

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00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 2: of that, Like he is the person who invites more

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00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 2: emotional reaction than any single human being probably in the

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Speaker 2: United States, which, by the other, you know, the contrast

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Speaker 2: is a huge number of Republicans love that about him

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Speaker 2: because he pisses off their enemies more than anyone else. Desantus,

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Speaker 2: you know, part of his whole thing about like I'm

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00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: getting serious. Part of seriousness is not engaging in Mika

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Speaker 2: Brazinski's facelift and pissing people off. So that's difficult, you know,

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Speaker 2: for your favorability ratings. Again, that's a great case. Most

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Speaker 2: of the general election, and most Americans are exhausted by that,

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Speaker 2: but Republicans specifically actually love it more than anything. Now,

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00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: are there enough of them who are exhausted by it?

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Speaker 2: None of that that currently indicates that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Also, by the way, Republicans think that Trump is more

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Speaker 1: likely to win in the fall, now whether that's whether

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00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: that's the case, so that wasn't from this leaked audio,

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Speaker 1: that's from other peoples. They'd see him as a stronger

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Speaker 1: candidate to defeat Joe Biden. Whether that's true or not,

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00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: literally don't know. I think that Dessanta, some of the

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Speaker 1: ideological positioning he has done has made him more vulnerable

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00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: in terms of a general election and compromise some of

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Speaker 1: his electability case to voters in my opinion, But you know,

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Speaker 1: who knows what the whimsor voters are at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day. I really don't advise you all to

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00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: be thinking about candidates in terms of trying to play

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00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: pundit and predict which one is going to win and

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Speaker 1: which one is not going to win. But you know

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00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: that is also an issue for him that his two

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00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: key cases are I'm the true conservative and people are

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00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: like that's true, but we still like Trump, and I'm

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00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: more electable and people are like, yeah, we don't really

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Speaker 1: buy that. We think Trump Trump, We think Trump did win.

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Speaker 1: We think he you know, we obviously won in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: We think he won in twenty twenty. We think he

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Speaker 1: can win again, and we want to stick with our guy.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, picking up on one you made Zccer,

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00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: which I think is very insightful. The most successful politicians, Yeah,

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00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: they don't change people like what they're already thinking. They

1155
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: speak to something people already feel but maybe haven't fully articulated.

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00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: Maybe hasn't you know, no one has really grabbed on

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Speaker 1: to the sentiment and being able to run with it.

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Speaker 1: So it's something that's there, bubbling under the surface, and

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00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: they're able to harness that and really capture that. I

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00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: think Trump is a perfect example of that in twenty

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Speaker 1: sixteen speaking to you know, the carnage and the russ ballot,

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Speaker 1: and I mean there was a lot, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: very ugly like xenophobia that was packed into that, but

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Speaker 1: there was a genuine sentiment of the area that I

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Speaker 1: live in, my prospects for myself, my prospects for my kids,

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Speaker 1: Like no one is really speaking to these challenges. And

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton was the perfect opponent for him to go

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Speaker 1: up against to make the case of like, these are

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Speaker 1: the people that sold you out. So he really spoke

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Speaker 1: to something that was already there that no one was capturing.

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Speaker 1: And I just don't see any sign that DeSantis, in

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Speaker 1: order to overcome Trump, who is a juggernaut within the

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Speaker 1: Republican primary, is a juggernaut in American politics period.

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Speaker 4: In order to do that, you are really.

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Speaker 1: Going to have to have that same like spidy sense

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Speaker 1: of what it is bubbling underneath the surface for the

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Speaker 1: Republican base, that isn't being harnessed, isn't being articulated, isn't

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Speaker 1: being spoken to. I personally don't see that he has

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Speaker 1: managed to pull that off yet, But I'm also not

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Speaker 1: a Republican voter, so maybe he has more insights into

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Speaker 1: this than I do.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean, at this time, it's really a wait

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Speaker 2: and see game and we'll just see how it works out.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to the next part on Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: There's some big important developments that have been happening in

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Speaker 2: the Ukraine conflict. One of them, of course, was the

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Speaker 2: Ukrainian presumptive Ukrainian strikes on Russian territory on Moscow, that

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Speaker 2: ended up going into residential areas. Coming after a second

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Speaker 2: attack on the Kremlin itself, the White House Press Corps

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Speaker 2: asked the Biden administration, Hey, are you guys cool with

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Speaker 2: our allied supposed allied government striking Russia and residential areas

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Speaker 2: and potentially even with US equipment after they promised that

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Speaker 2: they would never do so when you provided them with

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Speaker 2: F sixteen's, And she didn't have a real answer.

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Speaker 3: Here's what she had to say.

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Speaker 6: It's the president belief that Ukraine risks losing the moral

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Speaker 6: high ground.

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Speaker 4: In this conflict if it strikes at Tehia cimillion targets

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Speaker 4: in Moscow.

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Speaker 7: So I'm going to be very clear, we're gathering information.

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Speaker 7: I'm not going to get into hypotheticals from here. We

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Speaker 7: do not support the use of US made equipment being

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Speaker 7: used for attax inside of Russia. We've been very clear

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Speaker 7: about that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we've been very clear about that. We don't support it.

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Speaker 2: We're still gathering.

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Speaker 3: But here's the issue.

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Speaker 2: The US is not the only one who's involved in

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Speaker 2: this conflict, and in fact, our so called cousins, I

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Speaker 2: guess across the Atlantic, if you think our press and

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Speaker 2: our country is crazy about Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: As I found out while I was over there, we

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Speaker 3: got nothing on the UK.

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Speaker 2: Put this up up there on the screen because it

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Speaker 2: includes an important quote from the British Foreign Secretary, so

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Speaker 2: effectively their Secretary of State, James Cleverly. He says quote

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Speaker 2: Ukraine has the right to project force beyond its borders.

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Speaker 2: And also a spokesperson for the German government said that

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Speaker 2: international law of course allowed Ukraine to strike Russian territory

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Speaker 2: in self defense, but then added that Berlin opposed the

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Speaker 2: use of German weapons for such attacks. The Brits actually

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Speaker 2: did not use the qualifier that they shouldn't use Theirs.

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Speaker 3: And this is why it's so messy. No one is

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Speaker 3: saying that they don't have the.

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Speaker 2: Right to project force beyond their borders, which is what

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Speaker 2: you know, Cleverly seems to be using this as And

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Speaker 2: no one is.

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Speaker 3: Saying that you can do whatever you want now.

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Speaker 2: The idea though, that you should do whatever you want

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Speaker 2: with the stuff that we give you is a whole

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Speaker 2: other conversation. And actually, just this morning, crystal ironically, in

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Speaker 2: the Washington Post, they published a story which is you know,

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Speaker 2: people are already freaking out about because it just tells

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Speaker 2: the truth quote Biden shows growing appetite to cross Putin's

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Speaker 2: red lines.

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Speaker 3: And here's what I love.

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Speaker 2: Here is how the US defense policy makers put aside

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00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: problems with red lines. US officials say the dynamic reason

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Speaker 2: for brushing aside the threats is that, since the opening

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Speaker 2: doors of the war, Russia's president has not followed through

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Speaker 2: on promises to punish the West for providing weapons to Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: His bluffing has given US and European leaders some confidence

1244
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 2: they can continue doing so without severe consequences. But to

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00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 2: what extent remains one of the most dangerous uncertainty. So

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00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: basically their argument is, well, they haven't done anything yet,

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Speaker 2: so we'll just keep upping the ante and giving the

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Speaker 2: Ukrainians whatever they want. I will once again remind everyone

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00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: that we are literally openly crossing Putin's red lines and

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Speaker 2: all this maybe that's worth it. Whenever Texas is at

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00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 2: stake or a real ally like NATO or any of

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00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 2: other people. We're talking about the eastern Dunboss region of Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: In what world does it make sense to potentially drag

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Speaker 2: us into a world war by Biden's own work, like

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00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 2: not my words, his words over a scrap of territory

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Speaker 2: in a place we have no formal agreement with and

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00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 2: literally has zero importance to the global economy.

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Speaker 3: This does not mean that I am not do not.

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Speaker 2: Have deep empathy for the people who live in that region,

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Speaker 2: who have been flattened, who have been killed, for all

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Speaker 2: the soldiers, and for all the people in Ukraine who've

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Speaker 2: been unjustly bombed and been killed by.

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Speaker 3: The Russian machine.

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Speaker 2: That does not mean that we should then put ourselves though,

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Speaker 2: in a place where we need to risk our own

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Speaker 2: national security over this you know, area of the globe.

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Speaker 2: It's this basic cost benefit analysis which only you know

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Speaker 2: are makes sense to people, Chrystal when you start using

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Speaker 2: terms like democracy or you know, autocracy versus democracy, when

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Speaker 2: we forget that one of the places that was invader

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Speaker 2: is one of the most corrupt countries on planet Earth,

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Speaker 2: invaded by the way, by one of the other most

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Speaker 2: corrupt countries on planet Earth.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we're using Ukraine as a pawn in our

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00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 4: great power games.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous we're doing.

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Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with the sanctity of democracy

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Speaker 1: or you know, national sovereignty or any or our love

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00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: for Zelenski or anything like that. It's we see an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to weaken a country that has been a rival

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00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: still have this like cold war mentality baked in there.

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00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: We're fearful of their alliance with China. We don't like Putin,

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00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't, you know, sde to our wishes, and you know,

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Speaker 1: he's gone rogues since we like handpicked him for the job,

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00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: by the way originally, and so they see it as

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00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: an opportunity to push him out, and they're using Ukrainian

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00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: lives as like, you know, fodder for our war games.

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00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: I think it is disgraceful that I don't agree that

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Speaker 1: Ukraine has a right to just do whatever they want,

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Speaker 1: because you're talking about targeting residential civilian buildings, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think that that's acceptable. I mean, in any instance,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's accepted. I don't think it's acceptable,

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Speaker 1: and Russia does it. I don't think it's acceptable when

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Speaker 1: we do it. You know, these are regular Russian people

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Speaker 1: who you know didn't start this war, and some of

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Speaker 1: them may be adamantly opposed to it. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's the same thing is saying like we'd be fair

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00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: game because of our individual civilians in America being fair

1299
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: game because we started the war in a rock. So

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Speaker 1: I don't accept that framing, but you know, do I

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Speaker 1: understand certainly the idea of like Ukraine projecting them and

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Speaker 1: doing everything they can to win the war on there.

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Speaker 1: Of course, right, that doesn't mean that our interests coincide

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Speaker 1: with theirs. It doesn't mean that it's not incredibly risky

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Speaker 1: and dangerous escalation. And if you're Russia looking at our

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Speaker 1: reaction to the targeting of residential apartment buildings in downtown Moscow,

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Speaker 1: and we can't be bothered to even like come close

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Speaker 1: to connect we say this theoret Oh we told them

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Speaker 1: not to use our weapons for these strikes. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna just be furthered in your belief that this is

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Speaker 1: in fact a proxy war and that we are in

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Speaker 1: many ways enabling these types of attacks on their soil.

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Speaker 1: I mean not, in many ways, we effectively are enabling

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Speaker 1: these types of attacks on their soil. And it's also

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Speaker 1: very likely to harden the Russian population and make them

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Speaker 1: more committed to the war. Effort and willing to sustain

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Speaker 1: and endure were hardship and you know, difficulties in order

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Speaker 1: to be successful. So you can see that the Krumlin

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Speaker 1: spokesman Dmitri Peskov, he's told reporters to Russia would have

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Speaker 1: preferred to hear at least some words of condemnation and

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Speaker 1: said we will calmly and deliberately think how to deal

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Speaker 1: with this. I also always just reject this idea that's

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Speaker 1: floated in the Washington Post and by the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: that like, oh, Russia hasn't responded.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's true. I think they have responded.

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Speaker 1: I think they have escalated, they did a draft, they've

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Speaker 1: continued to expand operations, They've you know, stepped up their

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Speaker 1: bombing of Kiev, which is horrific for the people that

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Speaker 1: live there. So and they have just recently started talking

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Speaker 1: again about nuke. Some of that talk had sort of

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Speaker 1: like faded away. Now it's getting back into the official statements.

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Speaker 1: And I think we even if there's a tiny, tiny,

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Speaker 1: tiny percent chance that you know, that's a possibility, it's

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Speaker 1: something we have to take deadly seriously.

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Speaker 3: Of course, you have to take it seriously.

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Speaker 2: These people have once again, these people have nuclear weapons,

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Speaker 2: and everyone's like, oh, you're supposed to just back down.

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Speaker 2: I mean no, whenever we're talking about again Berlin, Yes,

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Speaker 2: maybe when we're talking about a scrap that literally has

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Speaker 2: no effect on any of our lives here whatsoever. And

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Speaker 2: look at the way this is. Medvedev put this up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen. He was supposed to be the

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Speaker 2: reasonable one. Look at the way that these people are talking.

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Speaker 2: Now they've gone nuts, he says. The UK's Foreign secretary

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Speaker 2: cleverly has stated Ukraine is a legitimate right to protect force.

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Speaker 2: According to him, legitimate military beyond military targets beyond Ukraine's

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Speaker 2: borders are part of its self defense. The goofy officials

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Speaker 2: of the UK are quote eternal enemy. Should remember that

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Speaker 2: within the framework of the universally accepted international law, of

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Speaker 2: which they of course ignore, their state can also be

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Speaker 2: qualified as being at war today. The UK acts as

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Speaker 2: Ukraine's ally, providing it with military aid in the form

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Speaker 2: of the equipment and specialist de facto is leading an

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Speaker 2: undeclared war against Russia. That being the case, any of

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Speaker 2: its public officials who facilitate the war can be considered

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Speaker 2: as a legitimate military target. I mean basically openingly threatening

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Speaker 2: assassination and you know death. I mean, look, this is

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Speaker 2: scary stuff, and you know people will say, oh, he

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Speaker 2: said it before I said it before, maybe say at

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Speaker 2: fifteen times on the sixteenth time you're right, and the

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Speaker 2: risk of being right on or the risk of being

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Speaker 2: real on the sixteenth time so high that you should

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Speaker 2: probably just do everything in your power to make sure

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Speaker 2: that it doesn't happen, and that you only breach and

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Speaker 2: get up to this point whenever it's actually worth it,

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Speaker 2: you know. And I guess ilhan Omar who has had

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Speaker 2: a very strange I guess relationship with Ukraine war. She's

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Speaker 2: anti war, but then on Ukraine she's not saying much.

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Speaker 2: She was confronted by a reporter Liam Cosgrove yesterday on

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Speaker 2: Capitol Hill and said, hey, if what are you willing

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Speaker 2: to reconsider at least your support for Ukraine if they're

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Speaker 2: going to be bombing, you know, targets inside of Russia.

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Speaker 3: Here's what she had to say.

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Speaker 8: If there is escalation where Ukraine is now fighting inside

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Speaker 8: of Russia and causing lives to be lost in that regard,

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Speaker 8: then you know, we would have to make a different calculation.

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Speaker 9: I've got some comments from Jerry Nailer last week and

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Speaker 9: he said kind of the opposite. He said he personally

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Speaker 9: wouldn't care if they do attack Russia with our weapons.

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Speaker 9: So you disagree with them on.

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Speaker 4: That, Oh, certainly, I think you know.

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Speaker 8: For me, my support for Ukraine has always been to

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Speaker 8: preserve lives, for them to be able to have the

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Speaker 8: resources that they need to minimize the number of people

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Speaker 8: that were being killed because Russia invaded, and you know,

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Speaker 8: in that space, I only want.

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Speaker 4: People in battle to be heard. So if there are.

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Speaker 8: Ukrainians that are now attacking Russians in Russia, that changes

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Speaker 8: the culculation.

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Speaker 9: And so last question for you, would this change your

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Speaker 9: decision on continued support, continued funding and military support.

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Speaker 8: I would have to learn more, but certainly it does

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Speaker 8: change my calculation in the way that I think about

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Speaker 8: supporting sovereignty and preserving lives.

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Speaker 2: Interesting comments, Interesting listen, I think she deserves well earned

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Speaker 2: criticism or supposedly being anti war then shipping them, voting

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Speaker 2: for weapons.

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Speaker 3: To Ukrainie and all this.

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Speaker 2: But you've got to give credit where it is due,

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Speaker 2: at least willing to come out and say it whenever

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Speaker 2: it's out there.

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Speaker 3: And credit to the guy also for asking.

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Speaker 1: And let me say, you know, I think the calculation

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Speaker 1: on these things is difficult because especially the early packages

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Speaker 1: of aid. I mean, I supported some of the early

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Speaker 1: packages of aid. When you're talking about, you know, Russia

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Speaker 1: invades them, it's an illegal war. They're trying to defend

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Speaker 1: themselves like. That's a very sympathetic cause and one that

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Speaker 1: someone who is anti war could genuinely support. When you

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Speaker 1: get to this point and you've had the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: really clearly spell out that this isn't about just Ukrainians sovereignty,

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Speaker 1: this is about let's try to topple the Putin regime.

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Speaker 1: When you've had not just this instance, you've had multiple

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Speaker 1: instances of the Ukrainians attacking Russians on Russian soil, and

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Speaker 1: you know, increasingly brazen strikes, including one on the Krumlin

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Speaker 1: that you know it was sort of like a rather

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Speaker 1: pathetic attempt in this fascination if it was, but still

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Speaker 1: you're you're striking the Kremlin like that is pretty wild.

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Speaker 1: That should at the very least cause people to pause

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Speaker 1: and reconsider their calculations. What I want to say is,

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Speaker 1: you know, I wish more journalists were pressing politicians in

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Speaker 1: this way and framing it in this regard.

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Speaker 4: In almost every instance, they're.

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Speaker 1: Getting pushed from the other perspective, where it's like why

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Speaker 1: didn't you send the F sixteen sooner?

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Speaker 4: And what about you know, what about the no fly

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Speaker 4: zone or whatever?

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Speaker 1: It's usually it's always pushing in the other direction. So

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Speaker 1: it's nice to see a journalist who is framing questions

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Speaker 1: in this way and pushing in the other direction of

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Speaker 1: what about you know, I'd love to see more.

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Speaker 4: What about the plums? Do you remember?

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Speaker 1: And Ryan asked a question about the plums? He was

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Speaker 1: like the only one in the White House Press briefing

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Speaker 1: room whoever asked a question about, Hey, what can we.

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Speaker 4: Do to enable diplomacy here?

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Speaker 1: We need a whole lot of that because ultimately, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you get politicians on the record and you force

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Speaker 1: them to sort of grapple with what their positions are

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Speaker 1: and how they align or miss the line with their

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Speaker 1: stated principles, it can be a powerful force.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: Give a shout out to him. Liam Cosgrove is his name.

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Speaker 2: You guys should go follow him on Twitter. It's done

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Speaker 2: a couple of good things.

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Speaker 4: Actually, he also he got those comments from Jerry Nadler.

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Speaker 3: He did.

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Speaker 2: He also got the comments from Nadler, so hey, you know,

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Speaker 2: we support He also asked of the State Department an

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Speaker 2: interesting question as well, so go throw them the follow

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Speaker 2: We'd like to support people who are doing interesting work stuff.

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Speaker 4: Like that here, all right, so aready looking at well?

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Speaker 2: Last week I did a monologue delving into the price

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Speaker 2: of used cars and what's driving the price up. The

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Speaker 2: usual suspects all appeared demand quality of cars, but really

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Speaker 2: it pointed the finger at the financialization of car companies

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Speaker 2: and of car dealers themselves. I've always been obsessed recently

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Speaker 2: with car dealers their business models now for a few years,

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Speaker 2: and it all traces to a little noticed study that

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Speaker 2: I came across, actually, which opened my eyes as to

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Speaker 2: who the so called blue collar rich in America are.

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Speaker 2: Everyone knows people in finance and Silicon Valley as rich,

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Speaker 2: but what the other rich people who don't work in

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Speaker 2: those sectors.

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Speaker 3: Who are they?

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Speaker 2: A twenty nineteen study of ze point one percent earners

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Speaker 2: in America, defined as those who make more than one

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Speaker 2: point five to eight million dollars cash per year on paper,

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Speaker 2: revealed that the most common occupation among them was one

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Speaker 2: car dealer. In fact, one estimate finds twenty percent of

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Speaker 2: all car dealers in America have an owner making more

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Speaker 2: than one point five million dollars.

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Speaker 3: Now, how is that possible?

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Speaker 2: Well, a new dispatch actually from the National Association of

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Speaker 2: Car Dealers meeting it tells us a lot about it.

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Speaker 2: Car dealers spend tens of millions of dollars per year

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Speaker 2: to lobby federal, state, and local officials. They do a

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Speaker 2: few things that are very important to them. Number one,

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Speaker 2: they regulate land so that nobody else can start a

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Speaker 2: rival dealership. Too, they regulate licensing to prevent the same thing.

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Speaker 2: But now an urgent and important initiative that they care

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Speaker 2: about most of all preventing direct sales of vehicles to

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Speaker 2: consumers by manufacturers. The latest threat arose with the prominence

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Speaker 2: of Tesla, which got rid of the dealer model for

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Speaker 2: its cars, and it allows consumers to buy directly from

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Speaker 2: the company. Naturally, they took issue with that. Car dealers

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Speaker 2: now spent millions of dollars successfully passing laws in states

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Speaker 2: banning consumers from buying cars directly from manufacturers. They do

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Speaker 2: this only because not only does it mean their survival,

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Speaker 2: but actually puts a moat around their ability to extract

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Speaker 2: as much profit as they can from their existing sales. Now, recall,

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Speaker 2: a study has showed you before by the Labor Department.

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Speaker 2: It finds it between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: dealers use their regulated monopoly status to dramatically drive.

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Speaker 3: Up the price of used cars.

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Speaker 2: The Labor Department actually found dealer markup alone accounts for

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Speaker 2: anywhere between thirty five to sixty two percent of all

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Speaker 2: inflation in vehicle pricing across the United States. Now, as

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Speaker 2: I've said, that's great work if you can get it.

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Speaker 2: By all accounts, all the auto dealers in the country

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Speaker 2: actually made more money in the last three years than

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Speaker 2: ever before, meaning that if they were making one point

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Speaker 2: five million a year on average in twenty nineteen, it

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Speaker 2: might even be double that today. All of this on

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Speaker 2: display at the latest meeting of this national Association of Dealers,

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Speaker 2: where they were remarkably candid about how well that they

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Speaker 2: did over the last three year, and about worries and

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Speaker 2: what them the most in the future.

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Speaker 3: The answer is simple electric vehicles.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned before, Tessa's direct to consumer model actually

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Speaker 2: woke a lot of people up, not just in the

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Speaker 2: EV world, but for companies like Rivian, which has been floated.

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Speaker 2: It's also been floated by company CEOs like Ford and

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Speaker 2: others who secretly would love to ditch the dealers. But

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Speaker 2: the dealers are not idiots, and they know this. They

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Speaker 2: have dropped the hammer and money on every politician in America.

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01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 2: In fact, as Slate found in Florida, there are currently

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Speaker 2: two dealer sponsored bills making their way through to the

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01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis desk, which, by all accounts, he will likely sign.

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01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 2: It will make it illegal for car manufacturers to set

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Speaker 2: transparent prices for their cars, and it would allow buyers

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Speaker 2: to would allow buyers to order.

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Speaker 3: Evs from legacy manufacturers online.

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Speaker 2: It would disallow that, but even with that mote, evs

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01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 2: still represent a real threat to dealer profits. The vast

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01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 2: majority of dealer profits don't come from the sale of cars.

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01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 2: They actually make it from financing and from servicing. EV's,

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01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 2: no matter whom may make them have far less component parts,

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01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 2: they don't need oil changes, they don't need as much servicing.

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01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 2: In fact, evs generate some forty percent less aftermarket revenue

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Speaker 2: for dealers. On top of that, as Slate explains, can't

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Speaker 2: just repurpose a regular old mechanic to work on an

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01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 2: EV when they come in actually costs a lot for

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01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 2: specialized training, so they make less money and they have

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01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 2: to pay for specialized labor. Not a genius then to

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01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 2: see why they all hate it so much. It's reflected

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01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 2: in the numbers right now. Two thirds of US car

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01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 2: dealers in America don't have any.

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01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 3: EVS to sell.

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01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 2: Forty five percent of dealers say straight up, we will

1541
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 2: never sell them, no matter what happens. Over and over again,

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01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 2: you see massive resistance within the dealer community to EVS.

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01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 2: What research I did for this monologue taught me is

1544
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 2: that the current Biden plan for EVS has a deep flaw.

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01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 2: It only focuses on manufacturers and on consumers, but it

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01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 2: forgot dealers basically run this country like it or not.

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01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 2: We've got to get some programs in place to incentivize

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01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 2: uptake amongst dealers for evs, or they will just rig

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01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 2: the mart and the local laws to prevent them from

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01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 2: being sold. What this represents is the reality of dealing

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01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 2: in the car business in America. It also demonstrates another

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01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 2: hole in the ev uptake strategy. Remember that, according to

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01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 2: the state of California, all new cars trucks sold in

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01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 2: the state in a little over a decade must be electric.

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01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 3: How is that going to work?

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01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 2: Alongside the Biden administration's pledge that half of all new

1557
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 2: cars sold in the US must be electric in twenty thirty.

1558
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,759
Speaker 2: That is seven years away, and we're only a ten percent.

1559
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 2: The infrastructure to support these cars for long haul driving

1560
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 2: is nowhere even close unless you own a Tesla. We

1561
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 2: have major, major work to do if you want to

1562
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 2: make this a reality, and increasingly it just doesn't look

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01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 2: like it's going to happen. You can either have an

1564
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 2: electric future or you can have a colossal boondoggle, and

1565
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 2: right now the latter just looks more likely than ever.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious what you think, Ryssel.

1567
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue,

1568
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com.

1569
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 3: So what do you taking a look at?

1570
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,839
Speaker 1: Well, guys, there is a new anti woke hit topping

1571
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,759
Speaker 1: the charts literally actually, including a video wherein the artist

1572
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 1: peruses the aisles at target and search for any item

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01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: that might be construed as LGBTQ friendly.

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01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 4: Take a look.

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01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 10: Target target ye had azarggian and target target ye had

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01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 10: a target cans target target ye had a target and

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01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 10: target targean.

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01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 4: Anyway, get the point there? This comes a mad.

1579
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 1: Of course, a rash of conservative freak out over various

1580
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: corporate pride gestures all started with the campaign against bud

1581
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: Light for their use of a trans influencer, But now

1582
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: cloud chasers are looking for all manner of meaningless corporate

1583
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: pro gay virtue signaling to freak out about. One movement

1584
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: is focused on the fact that Chick fil A, a

1585
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:46,600
Speaker 1: notably conservative corporation, has a diversity officer. Someone dug up

1586
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: an old Ford Raptor ad from like two years ago

1587
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: in an attempt to spark a Ford boycott.

1588
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 4: Target, of course.

1589
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: Been taking huge incoming over a store pride display. Let's

1590
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: be clear, these companies have no ideology outside of making money,

1591
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 1: no agenda other than selling like more trucks and more

1592
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: chicken sandwiches. But some segment of conservative media figures and

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01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: their followers have thoroughly lost their minds on wocism in

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01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: general and on gay rights in particular. For example, as

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01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: Emily and I covered yesterday, Ted Cruz was trashed by Republicans,

1596
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: including former Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis, for daring to signal

1597
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: opposition to a Uganda law that would literally imprison all.

1598
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 4: Gay people for life. What is wrong? With you people.

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01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: Let me just insert a little bit of political reality

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01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: into this discussion here. In twenty twenty three, America, gay

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01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: rights are actually really popular, and it's by a lot.

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01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: Support for gay marriage has now reached a record breaking

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01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: seventy one percent. In fact, acceptance of gay marriage is

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01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: so widespread even a majority of Republicans support.

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01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 4: Gay marriage now.

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01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: And I haven't specifically seen pulling on life in prison

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01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: for all gays, but I'm gonna go ahead out on

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01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: a limb, and guess it's pretty unpopular now. Support for

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01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: trans people has also risen dramatically in recent years. Sixty

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01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: six percent of Americans support allowing trans men and women

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01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,719
Speaker 1: to serve openly in the military. Large majority support laws

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01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: that were protect trans people from discrimination in penance. On balance,

1613
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,719
Speaker 1: tell polsters they see trans people as a net societal good.

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01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: Corporate America has embraced generic displays of LGBTQ support because

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01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: it's popular and thus they think it's going to help

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01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: them make money. Now, the right does have majority support

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01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 1: on a few issues. They're with the majority on questions

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01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: about trans girls competing with ciss girls in sports and

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01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: on a general level of discomfort around kids transitioning. Now,

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01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, we are in the phase of the

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01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: movement one might.

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01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 4: Call wild overreach.

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01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: It's easy to forget that in the ancient times of

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01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Trump was actually selling pride hats with a

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01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,520
Speaker 1: rainbow colored MAGA logo to honor.

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01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 4: His LGBTQ supporters.

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01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: But between now and then a politically strategic pushback on

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01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: wokeness and a narrow focus on the nexus of trans

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01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 1: issues and kids, it has morphed wildly into an all

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01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,759
Speaker 1: out assault on anything with a rainbow that might smack

1631
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: of tolerance. This looks like a mirror image reaction to

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01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,799
Speaker 1: what people like Ronda Santis call the woke mind virus.

1633
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: Liberals they were on solid footing when they were fighting

1634
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: for civil rights and color blindness, broadly shared.

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01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 4: Values across the society.

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01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: When the push for tolerance slid into authoritarian demands for equity,

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01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: complete with word policing, censorship, and enforced group think, it

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01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: was disastrous for Democrats, and it was actually a key

1639
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 1: component of the appeal of Trump. Republicans have now quickly

1640
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 1: slid from a critique of woke overreach into their own

1641
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: spiral of extremism and insanity driven by their most rabid

1642
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 1: and most online base. It's an anti woke mind virus.

1643
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 1: This has resulted in book bands for speech laws and

1644
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: state mandated ideologies in school curriculum, and has resulted in

1645
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: the current vogue in Republican circles of drudging up any

1646
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 1: and all pride related virtue, signaling for boycotts and pearl

1647
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: clutching meltowns, having panic attacks over all nods towards any

1648
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 1: sort of diversity. It's also pretty clear at this point

1649
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: that even the original more narrow focus on kids, athletes,

1650
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,520
Speaker 1: and schools, it wasn't a particular political winner for Republicans.

1651
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: After some promising results in Virginia, Republican candidates across the

1652
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: country leaned into trans panic and races from coast to

1653
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,480
Speaker 1: coo groups sprung up to back school board candidates explicitly

1654
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: running ideological campaigns against so called gender ideology and critical

1655
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: race theory. It didn't actually work out that wall. Republicans,

1656
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: of course, wildly underperformed in the midterms, and many of

1657
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 1: the right wing crusading school board members ultimately lost. Now,

1658
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: I would chalk this up to two primary factors. First

1659
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: and foremost, just wasn't a top issue for a lot

1660
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: of voters, not a lot of folks heading to the

1661
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: polls to notch their opinion on the like one trans

1662
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: kid playing high school sports in their state, and two

1663
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: the overturning of Roe versus wide handed Democrats the most

1664
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: potent issue electorally that they have had in a very

1665
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: long time, and the abortion dynamic.

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01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 4: It's actually instructive.

1667
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: Americans have very complex, conflicting feelings on the issue, just

1668
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: as they do on trans issues. With the Dobbs decision,

1669
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: all of the ground Republicans are fighting on now is

1670
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: extreme ground, things like six week bands and national abortion bands.

1671
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: Whichever party plays most aggressively to their extremists on cultural issues,

1672
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: that party is likely to lose. And with plenty of

1673
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 1: Republicans eagerly lining up behind the most deranged, anti gay,

1674
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 1: anti trans parts of their they've taken what was n

1675
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: oka issue for them and turned it into a very

1676
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 1: clear liability. In twenty twenty two, Republicans, they seemingly had

1677
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: everything going for them. Inflation was high, the president was

1678
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: really unpopular, overwhelming majority said the country was on the

1679
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 1: wrong track, and yet the red wave never materialized, and

1680
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:21,839
Speaker 1: there was really one overwhelming reason why in cities, suburbs,

1681
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: and small towns alike, voters were repulsed by the GOP's

1682
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 1: ideological extremism on abortion and on stop this deal. Now

1683
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,679
Speaker 1: you can add another issue where Republicans are increasingly aligning

1684
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 1: themselves with an extreme anti gay panic that is less

1685
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: popular than defund the police. Long story short, This whole

1686
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: thing you guys are doing here probably not going to

1687
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 1: help you if you actually want to beat Joe Biden

1688
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: and Sager.

1689
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 4: I wonder what you think of all of this.

1690
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,879
Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

1691
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com.

1692
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 3: Joining us now is a journalist Alison Young. She is

1693
01:17:58,880 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 3: also a professor.

1694
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 2: At the Misses School of Journalism, but for importantly for

1695
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 2: our purposes, author of a new book on lab leaks,

1696
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 2: Pandora's Gamble, lab Leaks, Pandemics, and a World at Risk.

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Speaker 3: Alison, thank you so much for joining us. We really

1698
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:12,560
Speaker 3: appreciate you.

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01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 4: Daddy, Allison, thank you so you came.

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01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 2: To notice We've been covering lab leak now here for

1701
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 2: a couple of years, but I've also been doing some

1702
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 2: deeper dives for a piece that you published about anthrax

1703
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 2: that you were able to reveal in your book. Pandora's gamble,

1704
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 2: Maybe first just give people an overview of the book, and.

1705
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,719
Speaker 3: Then we'll delve a little bit into anthrax itself.

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01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 11: Sure, so, I have been an investigative reporter covering laboratory

1707
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 11: accents for fifteen years. I mean, everyone's interested in lab

1708
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 11: leaks right now. But the issue of the kinds of

1709
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 11: problems that are in these high containment labs has been

1710
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,480
Speaker 11: a problem for a very long time. And so Pandora's

1711
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 11: gamble is looking at the whole question of did COVID

1712
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 11: nineteen come from a laboratory accident? In the larger context

1713
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 11: that these kinds of accidents happen all the time.

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01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 4: Elaborate on that.

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01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 1: When you say these kinds of accidents happen all the time,

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01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 1: what are we talking about and what is it that

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01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: leads to viruses escaping the lab?

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01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 5: Sure?

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01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,919
Speaker 11: So, there are a variety of levels of laboratory accidents.

1720
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 11: I mean, you have people get bitten by infectious animals,

1721
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 11: they stick themselves with needles, they cut themselves with scalpels,

1722
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 11: they splash infectious fluids on themselves, various sort of airflow

1723
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:32,440
Speaker 11: systems that help keep microbes inside cabinets or inside facilities.

1724
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:37,440
Speaker 11: Those systems fail, wastewater systems leak. There are all kinds.

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01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 12: Of issues in these facilities. The good news is.

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01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 11: The majority of time people don't become infected. But that's

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01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 11: really a matter of luck. And the question is, you know,

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01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,759
Speaker 11: how long will our luck last? And has it actually

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Speaker 11: already run out?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And I think that was so important, which is that

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Speaker 2: you know, you know muhan. We can focus all day

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Speaker 2: on that, and I think, you know, basically, at this

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Speaker 2: point it almost is tedious to go through the details.

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Speaker 2: The more parties, like how many more wuhans are there,

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Speaker 2: how many wuhans have actually happened here in the United States.

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Speaker 2: You really opened my eyes to this piece about did

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Speaker 2: a military lab spill anthrax into public waterways?

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Speaker 3: Focusing on a twenty eighteen accident.

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Speaker 2: Can you give us some of the details what you're

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Speaker 2: able to uncover exclusively in your book.

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Speaker 12: Yes.

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Speaker 11: So, on the Friday before Memorial Day in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 11: at Fort Dietrich, one of the premier labs run by

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Speaker 11: the US Army USAMRED, they had a wastewater tank, a

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Speaker 11: fifty thousand gallon wastewater tank, which by the way, was

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Speaker 11: rusting and had a variety of other problems.

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Speaker 12: One of the pipes burst.

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Speaker 11: On it and it shot over a containment wall as

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Speaker 11: much as three thousand gallons of unsterilized laboratory waste. And

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Speaker 11: in the weeks before that happened, those labs had been

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Speaker 11: working with anthrax, ebola, marburg virus, I mean, a variety

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Speaker 11: of the most dangerous pathogens in the world.

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Speaker 12: So that's bad enough, But one of the bigger.

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Speaker 11: Problems is that that incident has been kept secret until now.

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Speaker 11: The Army only admitted late a few weeks after the

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Speaker 11: incidents happened that they had had flooding and that there

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Speaker 11: had been a leak, but they didn't say there were

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Speaker 11: three thousand gallons in that leak. And that's a huge omission.

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Speaker 11: And these kinds of omissions, and the secrecy that surrounds

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Speaker 11: these accidents is pervasive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so what was the fallout from that incident?

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Speaker 1: What is the fallout today from that incident? And you

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Speaker 1: know what should be learned from it?

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Speaker 11: So at the time, this was one of a series

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Speaker 11: of problems at that facility. In twenty nineteen, the federal

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Speaker 11: government took the rare step of suspending usamred's ability to

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Speaker 11: work with what are called select agent pathogens. But why

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Speaker 11: that happened, other than that there were various safety issues,

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Speaker 11: was not known until now.

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Speaker 12: So there is now starting to be.

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Speaker 11: Fallout from the revelations of the book that it was

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Speaker 11: three thousand gallons. I mean, there's a citizens commission in Frederick, Maryland,

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Speaker 11: which is just north of the Washington, DC area.

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Speaker 12: They were not aware.

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Speaker 11: They had asked questions of what had happened in this incidant,

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Speaker 11: and the army didn't tell them, and so they're learning

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Speaker 11: about it from the book as well.

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Speaker 3: One of our camera guys that lives there, so he's

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Speaker 3: probably finding this out live.

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Speaker 11: And the thing for people who are not in this

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Speaker 11: area that they don't realize is so this all happened

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Speaker 11: in an area where there was an open storm drain

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Speaker 11: that went into something called Carroll Creek, and that's the

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Speaker 11: centerpiece of downtown Frederick. It's a beautiful area and entertainment

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Speaker 11: district well.

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Speaker 2: And so, Alison, one of the things I respect so

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Speaker 2: much by your work is that you're looking at this

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Speaker 2: dispassionately and you're reporting very basic facts. You've published previously

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Speaker 2: about near misses at the UNC Chapel Hill and high

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Speaker 2: security labs and accidents with coronaviruses.

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Speaker 3: So, once again, put Wuhan aside, why is the some.

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Speaker 2: Of this research, why does it lead to these types

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Speaker 2: of accidents, This particular one, coronavirus research itself, seems to

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Speaker 2: be at the tip of some of the worst accidents

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Speaker 2: that we've seen in labs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: The thing that's really concerning about accidents with coronavirus or

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Speaker 11: various kinds of avian flu viruses are that those are

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Speaker 11: pathogens that can spread from person to person. Is we've

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Speaker 11: all learned with the current pandemic, you want to be

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Speaker 11: sure that you have high safety standards there. The accidents

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Speaker 11: that occurred at UNC show that these accidents happen everywhere.

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Speaker 12: And the question of why is we're human beings.

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Speaker 1: Accidents happen, right, And so with that in mind, you know,

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Speaker 1: what do you do? Do You just stop researching things?

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Speaker 1: You know, are there ways you can tighten up the

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Speaker 1: security procedures so that accidents are much much much less likely,

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Speaker 1: because as you state, I mean, it seems like there

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Speaker 1: are so many ways that something can escape the lab.

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Speaker 1: That it's very difficult to make sure that every single

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Speaker 1: thing is locked down.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, there are a couple of things that have been

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Speaker 11: proposed for a very long time. One of the things

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Speaker 11: I think that surprises people is that there is no

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Speaker 11: universal regulation of biosafety in laboratories.

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Speaker 12: Now, think about that.

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Speaker 11: Okay, a lot of it is sort of a mixture

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Speaker 11: of guidance. There are some regulations of various sort of piecemeal,

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Speaker 11: but it's fragmented and it largely relies on these labs

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Speaker 11: policing themselves. The other issue is that, unlike in a

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Speaker 11: lot of other areas, there is almost no transparency for

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Speaker 11: the public. Which transparency is a key component of accountability,

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Speaker 11: and so it not only shields the mistakes and lacks

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Speaker 11: safety practices of labs, it also shields those organizations that

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Speaker 11: we the public are trusting from the accountability to know

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Speaker 11: that they're doing their jobs.

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Speaker 2: That's been such a difficult part of the line. I've

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Speaker 2: seen it with members of Congress. Most of them don't

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Speaker 2: even know about what any of these research. They don't

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Speaker 2: even know about the money that they are appropriating in

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01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 2: bills to fund this. So have you seen you know,

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Speaker 2: obviously COVID woke the entire world up to this dynamic.

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Speaker 2: Yet you know, money wise, it seems like the cannon

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Speaker 2: is still going towards this.

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Speaker 3: Do you think we've made any meaningful progress or.

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Speaker 2: Can you know with the release of books like yours,

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Speaker 2: or even public awareness around the release of COVID, what

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Speaker 2: do you think?

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Speaker 11: Well this area right now there is huge public awareness

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Speaker 11: and concern about the issue of did COVID come from

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Speaker 11: a laboratory accent? And I think it's important for the

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Speaker 11: public to start thinking about this, as you've said, in

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Speaker 11: a wider sense that if whether or not COVID nineteen

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Speaker 11: came from a laboratory accents.

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Speaker 12: The Government Accountability Office, which is.

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Speaker 11: A nonpartisan, not a hysterical organization anyway, they have been

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Speaker 11: warning for more than a decade that the growing number

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Speaker 11: of labs, the more research that we're doing, is increasing

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Speaker 11: the risk of a catastrophic accident. And to your point,

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Speaker 11: this research is really important, and so the issue is

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Speaker 11: how do we do it safely?

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Speaker 12: How is there accountability that's put into it.

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Speaker 11: And one of the things on the funding is there

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Speaker 11: is a lot more funding for research because of COVID.

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Speaker 11: There are more labs being built because of COVID. But

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Speaker 11: what is not usually earmarked in this legislation and in

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Speaker 11: this funding is funding for biosafety. There are biosafety officers,

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Speaker 11: but they often don't have the funding to do the

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Speaker 11: kinds of safety oversight.

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Speaker 4: Got is that part of the.

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Speaker 1: Issue for reform too, that a lot of people do

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Speaker 1: have you know, their careers and their you know, their

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Speaker 1: ability to make money and published papers and whatever is

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01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: wrapped up in this world and in this research. Is

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Speaker 1: that a barrier to significant reform.

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Speaker 11: There are huge conflicts of interest in this area. So

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Speaker 11: if you're looking at where there are oversight mechanisms, currently,

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Speaker 11: the organizations in the federal government that either have guidelines

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Speaker 11: or some regulatory power, those same organizations fund the research

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Speaker 11: and they do research themselves. And so in the case

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Speaker 11: of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which is

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Speaker 11: one of the agencies that oversees some of this research.

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Speaker 12: Their labs have had some of the worst accidents.

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Speaker 11: Okay, So I mean those are the same people and

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Speaker 11: they have an interest in secrecy and not having public transparency.

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Speaker 5: So on.

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Speaker 12: The one of the issues that.

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Speaker 11: Various experts have put forth is should there be a

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Speaker 11: separate independent entity outside of the research community, but obviously

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Speaker 11: grounded in science that is overseeing this. I mean a

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Speaker 11: great analogy is how nuclear the nuclear industry is regulated.

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Speaker 4: Right, That's such a great point.

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Speaker 1: And lastly, I think Sager's right that it is sort

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Speaker 1: of tedious at this point to go over all the

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Speaker 1: details of the COVID lab leak or not lab leak.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious though, just given your expertise, that you've been

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Speaker 1: studying this for so long, when you first started to

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Speaker 1: learn about coronavirus and to think about what its origins

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Speaker 1: might be, like, what were the thoughts that were going

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Speaker 1: through your head initially?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean initially I have to say, like most people,

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Speaker 11: I'm like, this couldn't be. You know, this couldn't be.

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01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 11: But the more I looked into it, and especially I

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Speaker 11: thought it couldn't be because some of the world's leading

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Speaker 11: scientists came out of the gate saying this is.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely not a lab larian.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely absolutely, And as you know, we have later learned

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Speaker 11: there were a number of secret meetings where they discussed

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Speaker 11: their own concerns that this was not only a lab leak,

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Speaker 11: but of a potentially engineered virus, and so that disconnect

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Speaker 11: between what was being discussed privately by top scientists and

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Speaker 11: what we were being told in the public was very

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Speaker 11: concerning and and so once I started having a greater

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Speaker 11: awareness of that, obviously with my background reporting on this

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Speaker 11: issue for fifteen years, it was always plausible to me

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Speaker 11: that this could be a laboratory accident.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly why we need drink. Because you know,

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Speaker 2: you can't rely on these people to play it.

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Speaker 3: They're human beings.

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Speaker 2: They're not you know, specially nobody can police themselves. Probably Allison,

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Speaker 3: So let's jump right in. Thanks for having me, Arthil. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's a very interesting question.

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Speaker 2: Senator Ted Cruz has already come out against this bill,

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Speaker 2: saying that it's just simply a non starter for him

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Speaker 2: and for many of the other Conservatives in the Senate.

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Speaker 1: We selection destroyed more than the Democratic majority in the Senate.

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Speaker 1: It also shattered a number of myths, myths that have

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Speaker 1: enabled democratic elite complacency. The last myth, and the one

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Speaker 1: that will doom Democrats in twenty sixteen, needs to be

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Speaker 1: busted right here. That myth has to do with the

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Speaker 1: inevitability and electability of a Hillary Clinton presidency. I think,

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Speaker 1: for me, the new Left is a democratic party that

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Speaker 1: actually puts the interest of the working class at the center.

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Speaker 3: What is the new right?

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Speaker 2: It's a departure from the free market consensus. Is about

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Speaker 2: your family, and it's about putting policy in place in

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Speaker 2: order to make it so that you can live a

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Speaker 2: successful and meaningful life.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 3: for everybody today. What we have Bristol?

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Speaker 4: Indeed we do.

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Speaker 2: Good morning everybody, Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 2: for everybody today.

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Speaker 3: Do a convention show. Do we have Crystal?

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Speaker 4: Indeed we do.

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Speaker 3: Good morning everybody, Happy Monday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 3: for everybody today. What do we have Crystal?

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Speaker 4: Indeed we do? All right, Zider, what's on your radar?

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Speaker 3: Full confession.

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Speaker 2: I had an entire other radar written and I was

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Speaker 2: ready to go for today.

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Speaker 3: But then something happened that made me so hopped up

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Speaker 3: and mad. I literally dropped everything I was doing. All right, Crystal,

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Speaker 3: what's on your radar?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 1: As Twitter amuses itself with horrified reactions to Pete's cringiest

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Speaker 1: whitest dands of all time, it's really quite simple, like

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Speaker 1: you're not saying you.

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Speaker 4: Love everything I say.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I love everything you say. But there

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Speaker 1: are these two new coalitions rising in America. You can

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Speaker 1: either deal with that or you can try to ignore

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Speaker 1: it and isolate yourself increasingly into these ideological corners. And

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Speaker 1: I just think that is fundamentally the wrong.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's foolish.

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Speaker 1: We also have some big news, which is that today

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Speaker 1: is going to be our last day at the Hill

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Speaker 1: doing rising here, which we feel a lot of praise about.

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Speaker 3: We've had an amazing run here. It's almost two years

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Speaker 3: to the day since I believe officially became your So

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Speaker 3: tell everybody, why'd you leave the Hill? What do you think,

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Speaker 3: Chris Well, why did we leave the Hill?

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Speaker 4: We wanted to live our values.

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Speaker 1: We talk all the time about how much we believe

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Speaker 1: in the new media ecosystem, how much we believe in

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Speaker 1: independent media, free of any sort of corporate influence. And

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Speaker 1: so even though I have to admit, like I'm really

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Speaker 1: nervous and it feels very uncomfortable, but in a good way,

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Speaker 1: we wanted to step out and go independent and do

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Speaker 1: a show of our own.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing with Rising, We loved it. It's amazing

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Speaker 3: that they let us get away with as much as

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Speaker 3: we got two years through. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: though I wanted to do a better show.

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Speaker 4: You guys are honest.

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Speaker 12: I mean we're talking about that early like.

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Speaker 4: It's so rare.

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Speaker 6: You say what you feel, and that is so valuable.

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Speaker 2: Today.

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Speaker 4: Hold on, I'm about to make my entrance. There is

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Speaker 4: the one and only Matt tyav.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the best friend of the show to show,

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Speaker 2: Glenn Greenwald, Tony's.

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Speaker 4: Now we have Ken Clefvenstein, David Serda. Great to see sir,

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Speaker 4: Great to see you, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Joining us now. My friend Jeremy Corbel, friend of the show.

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Speaker 1: Connerson Rocanna had come out and called for her to resign,

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Speaker 1: something that we considered quite courageous, given that you are

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Speaker 1: a fellow California and you've taken quite a bit of

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Speaker 1: heat for those comments. We're lucky to have you in

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Speaker 1: studio today. Thanks big breaking news regarding lab leak.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a news that should absolutely shock anyone except

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Speaker 2: over at MSNBC.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: The lab leak most likely origin of COVID nineteen pandemic.

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Speaker 3: The Energy Department now says.

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Speaker 1: All out assault on train, land, air, sea, cyber truly

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Speaker 1: just a shock and all effort from the Russians, and

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Speaker 1: we are going to cover it from every angle.

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Speaker 3: Hello Chicago, Hello, Hello Austin.

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Speaker 2: Howdy, as they say in these parts, Hello Boston, Hello London.

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Speaker 4: Guys are fired up tonight.

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Speaker 3: I love it you guys inside into what you want

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Speaker 3: helping us.

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Speaker 4: This is what you have been helping us yet.

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Speaker 2: The beautiful box of Lights is one of almost a

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Speaker 2: dozen boxes that we have here in the studio and

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Speaker 2: want to thank all of the yearly and the lifetime

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Speaker 2: members Crystal who have signed up.

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Speaker 3: We're helping us.

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Speaker 2: This is the biggest expense ever in the history of

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Speaker 2: breaking points.

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Speaker 3: And it's costing a hell of a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: But the reason that we are doing it is because

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Speaker 2: we know how important it is not only to you

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Speaker 2: to have something that looks and feels important, but something

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Speaker 2: that you can share with.

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Speaker 3: Your friends and your family and it will help us.

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Speaker 1: When we launched, we only wanted to do it if

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Speaker 1: we could do it the right way and continuously improve

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Speaker 1: with your support. We believe in you, guys, We believe

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Speaker 1: in the show. So thank you, thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: for this box and the many more like it, and

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Speaker 1: can't wait for you to see the full set. I

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Speaker 1: think you'll be as excited about it as we are.

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Speaker 4: To growing a bat for going through all of it.

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Speaker 1: They went all the way back to Daily callar Day,

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Speaker 1: all the way back watching MSNBC and the cycle. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: by the way for picking of the clips of me

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Speaker 1: saying something that was actually like good and correct and

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Speaker 1: one of the many cringey things that I said, Well.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to think about it.

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Speaker 2: I was like I need a shot a whiskey, even

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Speaker 2: watching the original clip. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy to

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Speaker 2: think about two years exactly to the day, almost Actually

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Speaker 2: we're it's ten am here on the East Coast. This

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Speaker 2: is exactly whenever we were attempting two years ago Bristol

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Speaker 2: to go live and we were screwed by a mailchimp.

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Speaker 4: We were over an hour and a half panicking.

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Speaker 2: Because Mailchimp just decided not to let us send our

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Speaker 2: email out to everybody. So yeah, we were absolutely losing

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Speaker 2: our mind. Literally, yeah, what is it seven hundred something

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Speaker 2: or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But that was interesting what we said in those clips

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Speaker 1: that almost it was almost two years to the day

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Speaker 1: that we were rising together when we broke off, and

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Speaker 1: now almost two years to the day that we're here

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Speaker 1: launching kind of a new you know, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: the same show, but it's the set is really quite opning.

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Speaker 2: So June first is the exact four year anniversary of

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Speaker 2: the day officially became your rising co host. So, cause

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Speaker 2: I was looking back through that, Wow, there's a photo

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Speaker 2: first photo I ever found the two of us together

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Speaker 2: from that time. I was like, wow, you know, like

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Speaker 2: the iPhone memories.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was like, what a crazy time.

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Speaker 2: It was actually us eating beef jerky start following.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a sign I guess it's ready to go. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I guess. So.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that I really reflect

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Speaker 1: on watching back that montage is how much the show

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Speaker 1: has grown, how much we've had to adjust to the news.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when when the Democratic primary, which you know,

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Speaker 1: that was like a key part of what we're focused

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Speaker 1: on and what that really made, you know, the interview

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Speaker 1: with Andrew Yang and the fair coverage of the Bernie

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Speaker 1: Sanders campaign and all of that, like that really sort

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Speaker 1: of built us up.

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Speaker 4: And then in an instant.

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Speaker 1: That was over and it was COVID and that was

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Speaker 1: the first time that we're like, all right, we got

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Speaker 1: to we're going to really find out what we've got here,

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Speaker 1: Like are people just here to hear us like you know,

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Speaker 1: shit on Biden?

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Speaker 4: Like I talk about it. Really you know, people were

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Speaker 4: there for that.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that, the panels and all that stuff,

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Speaker 1: Or is there something more sustainable that we can build here?

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Speaker 1: And so, you know, we went all in on trying

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Speaker 1: to understand what was happening and trying to analyze what

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Speaker 1: the political response to it was and what the reality

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Speaker 1: was going to be for ordinary Americans versus what was

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Speaker 1: being given to elites at the time. And I think

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Speaker 1: when we were able to make that transition, that's when

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Speaker 1: I knew that we would be able to do the

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Speaker 1: show for the long term and that there was an

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Speaker 1: audience there that, you know, really cared about the core values,

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Speaker 1: not just the horse race of the politics of the day.

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Speaker 1: And since then there have been a lot of other

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Speaker 1: obviously major twists and turns in terms of the focus

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Speaker 1: of the show and what's happening in the world and

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Speaker 1: our coverage the Ukraine War that they played, you know,

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Speaker 1: when Russia invaded Ukraine. Initially that was another big moment

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Speaker 1: obviously in world politics most importantly, but in terms of

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Speaker 1: huge shift and focus of coverage here, we both did

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Speaker 1: all that we could to sort of bone up on

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Speaker 1: our understanding of what was happening in the world.

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Speaker 4: And I just want to say, like.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I'm incredibly grateful to you. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've had a lot of co.

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Speaker 4: Hosts in my time, and I'm lucky I never did.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you it's like it's it's a challenging relationship,

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Speaker 1: and you.

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Speaker 4: Know, with you make it easy, like it really is easy.

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Speaker 1: We've had we've had some gnarly moments, but overall, especially

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Speaker 1: since we launched here smooth Sailing, they're amazing partner. I

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Speaker 1: couldn't be more fortunate and grateful. And then also to

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Speaker 1: you guys, like through all those twists and turns and

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Speaker 1: you know, different focuses of the show, and but maintaining

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Speaker 1: the core values. Like you guys have been there and

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Speaker 1: you've put your faith in us to try to interpret

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Speaker 1: what's going on in the world as best we can.

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Speaker 4: And I'm just so grateful for that same.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can't say it enough, and I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: You know, you only have to hear about the set

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Speaker 2: for one more week and then it's there.

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Speaker 3: Shut up about it and all that.

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Speaker 2: But for real, I mean, it's just crazy to think,

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Speaker 2: you know, two year anniversary to the day. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, you and I we put this whole set

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Speaker 2: on our individual credit cards.

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Speaker 3: You have no idea if this thing is going to

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Speaker 3: work out. I'm am I gonna be broke, like you know,

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Speaker 3: like what's gonna happen?

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Speaker 2: Like it's one of those where we left all this

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Speaker 2: money on the table health insurance, you know, all of

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Speaker 2: the easiness that comes with being attached to a corporate organization.

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Speaker 2: It was a huge risk, I mean, is the biggest

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Speaker 2: risk will probably ever take in our lives.

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Speaker 3: And yet it's one of those where not only.

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Speaker 2: Did it work out, but it actually built something you know,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, that we could have never imagined. And

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Speaker 2: that's what the new set looks like, and I also

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Speaker 2: want to tell everybody like we take it's such we

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Speaker 2: take it so seriously. The responsibility that we have to

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Speaker 2: all of you, like every day when we wake up

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01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 2: in our team. The way that we think about it

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01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 2: is like you gave us your hard earned cash and

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Speaker 2: your money because you're supporting you believe in something like

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Speaker 2: that is a leap of faith which we do not

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Speaker 2: take for granted. And also I know that there's so

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Speaker 2: many things that the that people still want to see

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Speaker 2: about the show.

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Speaker 3: We are you know, we try to be humble, like we.

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Speaker 2: Are good if we make We have made so many

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Speaker 2: mistakes and we will always try to not only own

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Speaker 2: up to them, but improve upon them. So on the

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Speaker 2: new set, you're going to see many things which I

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01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:04,799
Speaker 2: know people have asked about. We've already got a panel

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Speaker 2: that has booked for the very first week. We've got

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Speaker 2: politicians that are going to be coming in here. We

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01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 2: are going to try and level up and take things

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Speaker 2: exactly to where you always wanted it to go. So

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Speaker 2: consider it a building period, a learning period for the

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Speaker 2: two of us. I mean transitioning from just two people

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Speaker 2: who show up, you know, to running your own company.

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Speaker 3: Was was an insane.

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Speaker 2: Transition I think, you know, just at a very basic,

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Speaker 2: like fundamental level, and then also having to sit here

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Speaker 2: and continue to do the show, like so many different

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Speaker 2: things change.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know I want to say, uh, Ryan

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Speaker 1: and Emily, oh my god, joining the fold and what

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Speaker 1: they've put together with counterpoints, which I you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: a fan of. I enjoy watching it. I enjoy when

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Speaker 1: I fill in for Ryan too. You know, they have

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Speaker 1: their own dynamic and energy. A lot of times their

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01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 1: issue focused a little different from ours. I think it

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Speaker 1: has been so additive to the overall what we've been

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Speaker 1: able to do here, and that just sort of like

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01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 1: you know, came together in a way that has been

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01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 1: really exciting. You know, our whole crew that supports us

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Speaker 1: every day, Like, thank you guys so much. You guys

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Speaker 1: have been amazing. Anytime we want, you know, we come

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Speaker 1: up with these crazy ideas.

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Speaker 4: Let's do a live stream.

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Speaker 3: Were there?

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Speaker 4: All right, let's do it down. Here's how it's gonna work.

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Speaker 1: Griffin and Mack both knew this year, and let me

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Speaker 1: tell you, like.

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Speaker 4: They have really stepped up, both of them.

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Speaker 1: You know, Mac is really integral and everything we do,

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Speaker 1: but in particular He's taken a particularly focus on counterpoints,

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01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:31,720
Speaker 1: has done a phenomenal job building them up. Griffin has

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Speaker 1: really spearheaded this new set development, which is a whole thing.

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Speaker 1: And I can't tell you how grateful I am to

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Speaker 1: not be parsing through all the details there and to

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Speaker 1: have the confidence that he just has it handled.

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Speaker 4: Those two guys absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 3: They change the game for us.

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Speaker 4: Totally top notch.

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Speaker 1: And they really they have brought so much to the

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Speaker 1: table in terms of development and show and it's just

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Speaker 1: getting started exactly.

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Speaker 3: And you're the ones who may know any of that

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01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 3: possible only a reason that we can even pay for

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Speaker 3: real talent, you know, to come in here. You know,

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Speaker 3: all the guys in the control room. I remember our

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Speaker 3: very first.

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Speaker 2: Set, everybody said, hey, the audio sucks. It's like, hey,

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01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 2: guess what daily audio? We pay for it now thanks

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01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 2: to all of it, we don't even think about it too.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those where it's like a baked in cost.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to change anything whenever it comes to

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Speaker 2: the quality of the show is not It's not something

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01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:18,720
Speaker 2: that you and I blink twice at spending money on

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01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 2: I was just looking at the original computer that we bought,

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01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:23,240
Speaker 2: and we were talking to the guys in the control

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01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:25,280
Speaker 2: room before the show about how much you know, we

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01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 2: had trouble with all that processing time, and that was

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Speaker 2: the first real purchase that we were able to make

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Speaker 2: that iMac being like we have an M one iMac

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Speaker 2: it can actually process it. Now we've you know, graduated

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Speaker 2: to like some gigantic monstrosity which barely looks like a

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Speaker 2: computer to be capable of handling four K and all

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Speaker 2: these brand new cameras that we're looking at. I mean,

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01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:46,639
Speaker 2: so it just like as slow and steady. But also

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01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 2: when you think about how much has changed over the

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01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 2: last two years, it's remarkable. So that's a I think

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Speaker 2: that's a good place to leave things. Breakingpoints dot com

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Speaker 2: if you're able to help us out, you know, throughout

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Speaker 2: all of this, if you made it this far, this video.

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01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 1: But just programming reminder next, this is our last These

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01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:03,719
Speaker 1: are our.

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Speaker 4: Last moments on the set.

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Speaker 3: Last time.

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Speaker 4: Take a look around the brick, the.

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Speaker 3: Calvin Hobbes, the TV, all of this. Yeah, we do.

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Speaker 1: It's a little preview on the new set does have

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Speaker 1: little shelves too. They're a little smaller for you know,

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01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:20,559
Speaker 1: our little mementos so that some aspect will carry over.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, this is it for the set.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do the show remotely next week while

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Speaker 1: everything gets built down and what we tested and make

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Speaker 1: sure everything is ready to go. And then, assuming all

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Speaker 1: goes according to plan, week after new set.

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Speaker 2: And don't forget, there will be a surprise little event

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01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 2: for premium subscribers where they will get the first look

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01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:39,800
Speaker 2: at the set and they will get it well well

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Speaker 2: before anything. So if you want to sign up Breakingpoints

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Speaker 2: dot com like I said, otherwise, we will see you

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Speaker 2: all remotely next week.

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Speaker 4: Love you guys, see you soon,