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Speaker 1: sort of heart richend. We're absolutely devastated. I wish we

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Speaker 1: found a body of thirteen year old Hanya. The body

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Speaker 1: The search for the little girl, Hanya Aglar has come

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Speaker 1: describing stories. Thank you for being with us. Outrage, Outrage

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Speaker 1: Did he have on black clothes and a yellow bandanna? Yes, No, Robin,

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Speaker 1: is North Carolina family lawyer Kathleen Murphy. You've seen it all,

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Speaker 1: Robin will Nsky with me Crime online dot Com investigative

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Speaker 1: crime in Justice News. What about that video, Robin? Is

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Speaker 1: that the best lead. There are eight hundred tips that

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Speaker 1: All of those things are very individual to a specific

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Speaker 1: ask you, doctor dupree, to teeth disintegrate over a period

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Speaker 1: of time. They do somewhat, but it takes an enormous

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Speaker 1: amount of time, and we can still get DNA many

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Speaker 1: an many years after the facts from tea you mean,

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Speaker 1: out of the root of the tooth. Yes, from like

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Speaker 1: what's in the inside of a tooth. Well, you have

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Speaker 1: the animal. Of course, I'm an outside and you have

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Speaker 1: Denton and didn't have the root of them. And again

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Speaker 1: other other means, so we can still get So you're

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Speaker 1: saying it takes teeth a really long time to disintegrate.

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Speaker 1: How long? Oh years? I mean we can even get

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Speaker 1: teeth oftentimes even after cremation. There may not be DNA

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Speaker 1: in those after cromations. Well, I can tell you this,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm thinking back on, of course, all

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Speaker 1: my comparisons Kathleen Murphy or anecdotal. I'm a doctor. I'm

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Speaker 1: a jurist doctor, not a medical doctor. Kathleen Murphy with

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Speaker 1: me North Carolina family lawyer. I know you remember the

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Speaker 1: story the case of Teresa Halback. The victim may not

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Speaker 1: ring a bellt but the defendant, Stephen Avery and Brendan Dassy,

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Speaker 1: Stephen Avery raped and murdered her and Brenda Dassy raped

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Speaker 1: and stood by and watched her being killed. But that aside.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember, Kathleen Murphy that all that was left

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Speaker 1: of her body were little pieces of bone and her teeth,

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Speaker 1: friends and relatives, her teeth were still in there. Kathleen,

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Speaker 1: in a situation where there's fire, water, extreme weather, those

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Speaker 1: teeth will last forever. And they're able to get that

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Speaker 1: DNA out of that too. That's how they're identifying this

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, do we need to pray for her. Poor

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Speaker 1: lady was taken down to the police station and when

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Speaker 1: Robert Olenski, taken away in an ambulance. Everyone, the tipline

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Speaker 1: to one. Listen to our friend at WTBD Raleigh, ABC eleven,

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Speaker 1: Amber Ropino. They've been trying to piece together with surveillance

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Speaker 1: I do want to try to push down a little

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Speaker 1: bit further where her body was found. This is wire

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Speaker 1: grass road. You can't see where exactly her body was found.

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Speaker 1: Where about a mile to a mile and a half

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Speaker 1: away from the exact scene. But you can see that

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Speaker 1: there are houses along this road. This isn't exactly a

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Speaker 1: completely deserted road. We've seen a lot of cars trying

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Speaker 1: blocking it off. This is near where she went to school,

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Speaker 1: and this is also near where she was abductor. This

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Speaker 1: is a kind of desolate area, but we have seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of cars in the area, and there also

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Speaker 1: several homes as well. What we know so far is

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Speaker 1: that officers were searching for We're going off of tips

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Speaker 1: that they had gotten in for the Hanya Aguilar case.

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Speaker 1: When they were searching, when they were following these leads,

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Speaker 1: that's when they came across a body. They have said

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Speaker 1: that they did reach out to Hanya's family though, and

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Speaker 1: they are aware that this body was found, and we

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Speaker 1: spoke with that family last night. We've seen the surveillance

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Speaker 1: videos come out of all of this too. The FBI

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Speaker 1: has gotten several surroundings videos of a man in dark clothing.

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Speaker 1: They do believe he was wearing a yellow bandana at

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Speaker 1: the time of the kidnapping as well. You're hearing from

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Speaker 1: our friend anchor and reporter Ambaru Pinta at WTVD Rolling,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina, ABC eleven. Police begging for help tipline nine

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Speaker 1: one zero two seven to five eight seven one with me,

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Speaker 1: Robin Willinski, Crime online dot com, investigative reporter Stephen Lampley

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Speaker 1: with me, former detective you can find him at Stephen

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Speaker 1: David Lampley dot com. We are learning that on the

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Speaker 1: nine on one call. Initial reports during the nine on

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Speaker 1: one call described the doctor as a black male wearing

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Speaker 1: all black, including long sleeves, with a yellow bandana over

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Speaker 1: his face. A black male wearing black, long sleeves, all black,

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Speaker 1: yellow bandana over his face. That call was made at

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Speaker 1: six fifty four am November five, and very unusual, very unusual.

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Speaker 1: November eight, someone calls nine one one to tell the

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Speaker 1: police they have spotted a vehicle backed into the wood.

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Speaker 1: The FBI Evidence Response Team was brought into process the

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Speaker 1: vehicle for evidence to find Hanja. So the car is

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Speaker 1: ditched pretty quickly. Stephen Lampley, what does that mean to you?

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Speaker 1: I'd like to know how close that body of water

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Speaker 1: is to where the car was found, because that would

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Speaker 1: suggest to me that this little girl was assaulted and

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Speaker 1: tortured and drowned immediately, as opposed to keeping her alive

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Speaker 1: for days and days. What do you make of what

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Speaker 1: I've just revealed, Stephen Lampley, Well, Nancy, I tend to

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Speaker 1: agree with you if you look at the map and

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Speaker 1: the locations, and I don't have the exact distances that

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Speaker 1: we're talking about, maybe four miles from each the video

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Speaker 1: excuse me. The map shows that she lived, which is

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Speaker 1: just awful Elizabeth Town Road, which is how we pay

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Speaker 1: forty one there her body was found approximately ten miles away.

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Speaker 1: Now the vehicle was found about half that distance, roughly

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Speaker 1: four or five miles away, and then that leads that

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Speaker 1: leads mutually perhaps and again I could be wrong, but

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Speaker 1: this is just based on what I'm looking at. That

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Speaker 1: she was abducted, driven to this wherever she was accosted

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Speaker 1: or murdered perhaps, and then dumped at this pond, which

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Speaker 1: was a small pond roughly ten miles away. And then

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Speaker 1: the vehicle is found half that distance. It's to me

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Speaker 1: as if maybe he abducted her, took her whatever. Maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe he assaulted her at the pond, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: dumped her there, and then drove at least part of

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Speaker 1: the way back home. And that's that's my thought. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to what we were learning from the FBI

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Speaker 1: supervising agent. As you recall, from approximately seven to ten

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Speaker 1: days ago, we started specifically targeting the area along Wide

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Speaker 1: Grass Road because of a number of tips that have

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Speaker 1: come into the police apartment through the tip line, and

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Speaker 1: this is what led us to ask people along wire

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Speaker 1: Grass Road to check CCTV footage, and this is an

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Speaker 1: area that we had planned to do a more a

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Speaker 1: thorough and deliberate search. It's a wide open area, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of wetland through there. It's a lot of

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Speaker 1: wooded area. There's also private land which we needed to

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Speaker 1: coordinate with homeowners and property owners to make access too.

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Speaker 1: So it was a deliberate plan to get out there.

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Speaker 1: After finding Hayna, we processed the scene, We secured the scene.

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Speaker 1: Investigators and crime scene officials went back to Wiregrass Road

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Speaker 1: at First Life where we recovered additional evidence and made

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Speaker 1: sure everything that was relevant was collected. We appreciate the

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Speaker 1: neighbors cooperation and ask they call us a based on

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Speaker 1: anything suspicious in the area along wire Grass Road since

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Speaker 1: November the five days ago. We asked of all surveillance

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Speaker 1: cameras Wiregrass Road and we are asking you again call

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Speaker 1: us if you have video that could help us determine

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Speaker 1: when and how Hanja came to be laid where our

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Speaker 1: investigators found her late yesterday. Pray for Hanya, Pray for

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Speaker 1: her family and each other. The area that we were

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Speaker 1: last evening and today is not visible from the road.

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Speaker 1: We do not have a person of interest at this time.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a comment as to whether the suspect

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Speaker 1: may be here or may have left the area and

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Speaker 1: all a comment on that. What we're learning from the

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Speaker 1: FBI supervising agent is that Hun's body was found in

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Speaker 1: a quote secluded area that they do not currently have

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Speaker 1: a suspect. He is also revealing that they did collect

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Speaker 1: evidence from the scene. Listen to this. I can tell

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Speaker 1: you that there is evidence that is both at the scene.

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Speaker 1: There's evidence that we've received as far as tips from

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Speaker 1: the public. There's evidence that we have published, as far

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Speaker 1: as CCTV footage and otherwise. So to include what we

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Speaker 1: have found last evening, all of it is going to

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Speaker 1: help us piece together what happened to Hanya. To doctor

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Speaker 1: Michelle d Pretty medical the amin or author of homicide

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Speaker 1: investigation Field Guy, doctor Michelle Dupree, he is revealing they

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Speaker 1: did get evidence from the car. Evidence he didn't say

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Speaker 1: what was collected at the scene also where the body

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Speaker 1: was found. But they're not saying what do you believe

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Speaker 1: it could be? Doctor Dupree, Nancy. That could be a

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Speaker 1: number of things. Certainly any type of DNA, there can

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Speaker 1: be trace evidence, there can be fingerprints that could be.

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Speaker 1: Here's fibers that can be other indications that she was

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Speaker 1: in fact in the car. Anything like that would point

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Speaker 1: to evidence that they would be concerned with collecting. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to what the FBI says about where her

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Speaker 1: body was found. We don't have any information to release

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Speaker 1: at this time. Asked whether she was killed there or elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: It was not something that was obvious. It was not

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Speaker 1: something obvious and again where she was not visible from

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Speaker 1: the role. And so I'm not going to use a

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Speaker 1: term pond. It's a body of water. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's only rain water. I would be misleading if I

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Speaker 1: said it was just rain water. It was a body

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Speaker 1: of water. But it's not formally a plot. You know,

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer, This is private property.

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Speaker 1: So we know that whoever owned the property is going

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Speaker 1: to be questioned. But apparently anybody could get on it.

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Speaker 1: It was a secluded area. The owner likely didn't even

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Speaker 1: know somebody was there, and it was fairly although it

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Speaker 1: was fairly accessible, it was off the beaten path in

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Speaker 1: that it wasn't in the middle of the city. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't in the middle of any businesses. It was just

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Speaker 1: basically a plot of woods. Unfortunately for Honya and the

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Speaker 1: Lumberton Junior High right now, students are filing in. They're

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Speaker 1: going from class to class for the first time since

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Speaker 1: finding out that Honya's body has been identified. That is

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Speaker 1: their little friend. The worst has come true. The search

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Speaker 1: for Honya Agilar, this beautiful little girl with the long

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Speaker 1: black hair, has been positively identified. The case is no

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Speaker 1: longer searching recovery. It is now a homicide investigation. To

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Speaker 1: applying nine one zero two seven two five eight seven one,

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Speaker 1: there is a thirty thousand dollar reward. Nancy Grace Crime

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Speaker 1: Story signing off Goodbye Friend,