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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to a Tuesday edition of One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 3: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. As is usually the case,

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Speaker 3: and plenty to get to today.

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Speaker 2: We'll dive into all of it in just a second,

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Speaker 2: but there is some NFL news that we want to

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Speaker 2: pass along here, there, and everywhere, and it would make

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Speaker 2: sense to begin with last night's game between the Jets

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Speaker 2: and the Chargers on Monday Night Football. And I gotta

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Speaker 2: tell you, Steve, I don't know what it is, but

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Speaker 2: watching how amped Jets fans were last night, only to

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Speaker 2: watch their team plummet with a thundering thud ah.

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Speaker 3: In terms of their offensive play.

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Speaker 1: Offensive, yeah, they couldn't do anything offensively.

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Speaker 3: I mean, their defense is still very good.

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Speaker 1: Very good. They well, they did hold the Chargers. I

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Speaker 1: say hold to twenty seven, but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and technically twenty I can't.

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Speaker 1: Believe, yeah, twenty at a punt return. I can't believe

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Speaker 1: that Zach Wilson, being as athletic and having live arm

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Speaker 1: just not getting any better. He has flashes where you

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Speaker 1: know where you know, we get I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he gets lucky or not, but sometimes he looks like

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Speaker 1: he sees it. Makes a good throw, makes a good read,

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Speaker 1: Presto Chaine, here we go, and then it's like, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: They they ran twenty one more plays on offense than

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Speaker 2: the Chargers did, and they outgained him by only eighty yards.

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Speaker 2: They averaged three and a half yards were played. Now,

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Speaker 2: I will say the Chargers defense surprised me last night.

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Speaker 2: They may have played their their best game.

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Speaker 3: Of the season. Well they Now, part of that is

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Speaker 3: because of the quarterback the New York No, it was

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Speaker 1: Of part of was a New York Jets offensive line.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's been a mash year.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Joey Bosa was he was Khalil Mack.

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Speaker 1: He They couldn't get enough. They were feasting.

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Speaker 2: Jets were three of seventeen on third down, three of seventeen.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna you want me to run through the possessions

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Speaker 2: here real quick?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Jets three and out six plays, fumble six plays, fumble

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Speaker 2: three and out, three and outs out seven plays thirty

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Speaker 2: nine plays, field goal ten plays, punt six and out,

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Speaker 2: three plays, fumble, fourteen plays down to the six yard line,

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Speaker 3: Downs, yawser.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they had.

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Speaker 2: Now, now, the Chargers didn't have a whole lot of

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Speaker 2: success either. They punted eight times in the game, So

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Speaker 2: you had eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen

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Speaker 2: punts in this game.

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Speaker 1: They punted. Yeah, they punted six out of their first

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Speaker 1: seven possessions, did the Chargers.

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Speaker 2: But they had the beneficiary the punt return touchdown, right,

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Speaker 2: so that coupled with their one touchdown drive. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they were up seventeen to three at the half, so

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Speaker 2: so yeah, they they had a cushion. And with the

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Speaker 2: way that Jets offense was playing, you did not think

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Speaker 2: a fourteen point deficit unless the Chargers did something stupid

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Speaker 2: or turn the ball over. So yeah, And that play

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Speaker 1: The guy smacked it out of his hands after he

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Speaker 1: was out of bounds. Yeah, is what it really was.

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Speaker 1: That's the way it ruled it. Finally, but the pass

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Speaker 1: and Joey Bosa. Yeah right, I mean they looked every

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Speaker 1: It was everybody. I mean all night, all night. And

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Speaker 1: I think at some point Nathaniel Hackett had to start like,

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Speaker 1: And you know they did try and bootleg it once

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Speaker 1: it was like, was it six times I got sacked?

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Speaker 2: It was unbelievable. You get I'll pull it up real quick, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Total of eight times, eight sacks and a half, six

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Speaker 2: Eight sacks there, buddy nine. I thought, well, the stat

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Speaker 1: In two three four. I mean I'm looking at his

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Speaker 3: Half says eight here on the statues.

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Speaker 1: This there's there's on this Jesus. Yeah, Bentley had two,

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Speaker 1: Hicks had one. That's three, Davis had one. That's four,

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Speaker 1: Delpit had Wait, wait, what is this? What am I

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Speaker 3: I don't think you're looking at the right No.

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Speaker 1: Wonder he's the knuckleheads? What am I looking at?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 3: You believe?

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Speaker 1: On the wrong? I'm on the Jets Chargers. I'm on

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Speaker 1: the Jets Chargers page, and I've got all these guys

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Speaker 1: from Cleveland, New England. Who are these guys?

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Speaker 4: All?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: My bad height se I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, you know what, I'm just gonna be quiet for

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Speaker 2: Justin Herbert was sacked five times in the game, and

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Speaker 2: he didn't exactly light the world on fire. He was

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Speaker 2: but no turnovers. And they actually ran the ball effectively.

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Speaker 2: That that surprised me. The most Chargers averaged four yards

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Speaker 1: They they I'll say this, Eckler didn't well I didn't.

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Speaker 1: He didn't look effective to me. Although you know his

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Speaker 3: He made a good decision on the touchdown run though.

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Speaker 1: Yes, getting bumped and he didn't have the ability to

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Speaker 1: and the Jets had over pursued and over crunched in

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Speaker 1: like when you saw the game, it didn't. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sitting there thinking, wow, they're really doing well

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Speaker 2: So with the win by the Chargers, they even their

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Speaker 2: record at four and four. In the meantime, they dropped

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Speaker 2: the Jets two four and four, and Buffalo actually moved

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Speaker 2: up last night to the eighth seed in the playoff standings,

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Speaker 2: just out on the outside looking in, thanks in large

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Speaker 2: part to their loss on Sunday night. So essentially they

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Speaker 2: that's where that kind of is. Jets and Chargers both

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Speaker 2: two and three in the conference. Now, Bills are two

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Speaker 2: pretty tight. You got three teams that are five and three,

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Speaker 2: the Bills are five and four, and you have three

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Speaker 1: So yes, yeah, obviously some of these teams were getting

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Speaker 1: into the buy stuff where not everybody's played nine games yet, right,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, but the Bills climbed one notch. You're Ronald.

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Speaker 1: I've never really given it too much credence or thought

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Speaker 1: because usually these things don't come down to that. But

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Speaker 1: the AFC, the conference record is like the first tiebreaker,

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Speaker 1: or is it common opponents?

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Speaker 3: The first tiebreaker, well, it's head to head.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, head to head.

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Speaker 2: And then if you're tied with a team that is

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Speaker 2: not in your division, the next tiebreaker is conference record.

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Speaker 1: It is if they're not in your division, correct, what

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Speaker 1: if they are in your division, it's split.

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Speaker 3: It's division record after that, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then I think it's and then if I remember right,

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Speaker 2: it's conference record, and then common opponents.

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Speaker 1: I do not ever remember. Of course, it was a

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Speaker 1: different world, but I never remember thinking even thinking about

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Speaker 1: common diference wins and losses. But I guess with seven

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to kind of keep tabs on it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you really do.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with two teams within the same division, head to

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Speaker 2: head division record common games is third, then conference record

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Speaker 2: through and then let me see here, if it's not

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Speaker 2: in the division, I think I have this right, same

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Speaker 2: division for a wild card berth apply the division tiebreakers

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Speaker 2: two clubs if they're not in the same division, head

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Speaker 2: to head, conference record, common games, strength of victory, strength

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Speaker 2: of schedule. So it is different between you know, division

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Speaker 2: teams tied and conference teams tied.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's why that kind of it's records important.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, the Bill's got to get on and I

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Speaker 1: think this too. You gotta if you've gotta as a

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Speaker 1: as a fan of the Bills, if you're thinking they're

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Speaker 1: if you're thinking about that stuff, you gotta think and

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Speaker 1: know how important it is to beat the Dolphins again,

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Speaker 1: beat the Patriots, split with him and run the jo

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Speaker 1: you got to. You gotta run the table in the

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Speaker 1: division that gives you three wins, uh and a three

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Speaker 1: conference and it gives you Right, it's enormous, it's an

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Speaker 1: enormous boosts. Those are the key game. Those are huge.

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Speaker 2: That's why I said yesterday the best path of the

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Speaker 2: playoffs right now for the Bills is the Ditish Division. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean absolutely, because you already have the head to

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Speaker 2: head tiebreaker on Miami right and you're only a game back.

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Speaker 2: You have a chance to make up that ground because

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Speaker 2: not only do you have enough conference games left, you

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Speaker 2: have three division games left, including one against Miami to

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Speaker 2: do the season sweep hopefully. So that's going to be

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Speaker 1: And unbelievably as of today, the New England Patriots or

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Speaker 1: your sixteenth seed in the A see, yeah, basement, they're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're.

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Speaker 2: They're I think they're cooked ohlutely, which makes the loss

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Speaker 2: to makes the loss to them all the more galling. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but it happens sometimes for whatever reason, and you want

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Speaker 2: me to put my finger on it.

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Speaker 3: In no way, Jose, I just defies logic sometimes, But

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Speaker 3: that's exactly what the league wants. So there you go.

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Speaker 2: I did see that Dalton Kincaid is up for Rookie

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Speaker 2: of the Week honors in the NFL. Unfortunately, I don't

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Speaker 2: think he's got a snowballs chance, and you know where to.

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Speaker 3: Get it because he's up. Among the other candidates is

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Speaker 2: Stroud, who just threw for four seventy yards and five touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: So as great a day as Dalton Kincaid.

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Speaker 1: Had and Stroud had Stroud Stroud won, yeah, and Stroud

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Speaker 1: did it in victory, so I would anticipate he is

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Speaker 1: going to get that honor this week.

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Speaker 2: But nice to see Kincaid in the mix after his

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Speaker 2: More than half of his catches on the season have

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Speaker 1: Think about it. The all time receiving record for a

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Speaker 2: One ooh, and he's got forty Keith Jackson, and he's

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Speaker 1: That's right, and now he's not probably not going to

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Speaker 1: In fourteen games, yes, he had an average of nineteen

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Speaker 3: What where the heck was playing defense?

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Speaker 2: I just didn't know he averaged nineteen yards of catch.

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Speaker 3: Nobody was playing defense.

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Speaker 3: That is crazy.

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Speaker 1: He averaged seventy seventy seven yards a game receiving. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then, of course, then just in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 3: I think he could.

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Speaker 2: Twenty three catches the last three weeks he keeps up

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Speaker 2: That's another sixty four receptions.

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Speaker 1: They hardly he never drops a ball.

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Speaker 3: That's one hundred and four catch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so happy for him. I saw this.

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Speaker 2: You know, Mike Tollin's got all these great quotes all

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this, but after last week,

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Speaker 3: So now I'm.

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Speaker 2: So now the media is like, oh, what's gonna happen,

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Speaker 1: And but the simple fact of the matter is, man,

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Speaker 2: Buffalo's next opponent, the Denver Broncos. Steve, we know that

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Speaker 2: they're practically printing money over there, with the Penter Group

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Speaker 2: But yes, and they were going to renovate the facility,

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Speaker 1: it's been a long time coming for the owners, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it costs a lot of money to do it,

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Speaker 1: but now the league is now that eight hundred pound gorilla,

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Speaker 1: and now it makes it makes more sense to do

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Speaker 1: it for a lot of a lot of franchises.

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Speaker 2: Our final note from around the NFL. Aaron Rodgers was

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Speaker 2: overheard on camera telling Derwin James after the Chargers Jets game.

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Speaker 2: Derwin James asked him, Hey, when are you coming back?

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Speaker 2: And he said, give me a few weeks. Now. He

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Speaker 2: was out taking three step drops and throwing footballs in

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Speaker 2: pregame warmups. I mean, show me a guy who doesn't

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Speaker 2: know it's nationally televised game and not taking it advantage

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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 3: And it's Aaron Rodgers, you know, needs.

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Speaker 2: To be seen, needs to be discussed, needs to be

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Speaker 2: talked about. So he says, give me a few weeks,

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Speaker 2: so that even if that's accurate, it wouldn't get him

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Speaker 2: back in time for Buffalo's game against the Jets two

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Speaker 2: weeks from now.

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Speaker 3: He ain't coming back into I don't think so either.

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Speaker 1: He's not coming back this season.

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Speaker 3: I think he's trying to speak it into existence here.

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Speaker 2: Now. He did he did do the surgery that's supposed

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Speaker 2: to Yeah, a new technique get him back faster.

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Speaker 1: Sure. Sure, But here's the thing, they got to stay

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Speaker 1: in it.

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Speaker 2: Well, right, I just wonder, I mean, you would like

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Speaker 2: to think that that medical staff does not listen to

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Speaker 2: Aaron and goes by their medical expertise, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure they will. I mean, they're not, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean they've We've watched you know, other teams like

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins throw their quarterback back out there with half

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Speaker 1: of the USh and you know, I mean, other teams

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Speaker 1: will do it. And and but you know, right now,

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Speaker 1: the Jets sitting there at four and four, they got

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Speaker 1: the Raiders, the Bills, the Dolphins, and the Falcons. They

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Speaker 1: go two and two, go six and six, and they're

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Speaker 1: and they're like, where the Bills are. They lose, the Bills,

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Speaker 1: lose the Dolphins, and they beat the Falcons and the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're still in trouble though, because they're looking up

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Speaker 2: at the rest of the division. Then if they lose

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Speaker 2: those two division games, right, they got hope.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a tough road to home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they got I mean, they got to stay at

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Speaker 1: least around five hundred, and they got to hope to

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Speaker 1: get to get to you know, get to ten and

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Speaker 1: or ten and se ten and seven, yeah, or nine

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Speaker 1: and eight and eight. Ain't gonna do it not in

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Speaker 1: the conference.

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Speaker 2: So that is around the NFL presented by Kalida Healthy,

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Speaker 2: official Healthcare System of the Buffalo Bills. Going to go

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Speaker 2: to the phones here quickly before we get to the break,

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Speaker 2: and we lead off with Ken in Buffalo. What do

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Speaker 2: you got for his Ken?

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Speaker 4: Hey, I just got a couple of things for you guys.

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Speaker 4: The first thing question is why are the Bills not

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Speaker 4: using Hardy at wide receiver? And why aren't the Bills

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Speaker 4: using Sharefield at wide receiver. The thing that gets to me,

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Speaker 4: I'm just going to be quick is it seems to

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Speaker 4: me as a forty year old Bill fan, that you

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Speaker 4: know Diggs is running our offense, it would be like

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Speaker 4: if we use him those guys, Digs gets upset. And

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Speaker 4: that's one thing that I want to talk about. And

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Speaker 4: the other thing that I want to talk about is

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Speaker 4: the special teams. Our special teams already lost us one

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Speaker 4: game this year. Steve Tasker was the best. He was

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Speaker 4: an animal out there back in the day. And that's

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Speaker 4: all I have to say. And I'll listen to you guys.

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Speaker 3: Go ah right, thanks Ken.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been I've been pounding the table to see

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Speaker 2: more of Trent Sherfield the last.

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Speaker 3: Couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you're sputtering on offense and you have options,

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Speaker 2: I'd like to see a little more of him. Like

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Speaker 2: It's like I explained two weeks ago, this guy was

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Speaker 2: good enough to be the number three receiver in the

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Speaker 2: Miami offense behind two guys named Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle.

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Speaker 2: There's got to be something to offer there. I'd like

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Speaker 2: to see more of it. He's getting like one or

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Speaker 2: two targets a game and probably about fifteen to sixteen snaps.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested. Show me more so where we gotta line

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Speaker 2: him up and whoever's playing time's got to get eaten into.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to see it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would. I would wholeheartedly disagree with the

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Speaker 1: premise that Steph Diggs would be upset if somebody else

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Speaker 1: contributed the offense.

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Speaker 3: I think he's largely misunderstood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's largely misunderstood, And I think if

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Speaker 1: it means the team's gonna win a game, Steph Diggs

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Speaker 1: would sit the game down if it meant meant, if

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Speaker 1: it meant the Tea would win. Now, obviously they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be better with him on the field, but you get

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Speaker 1: my point. Steph Diggs is in no way, shape or

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Speaker 1: form a selfish player, no way, shape or form. He

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Speaker 1: he has the desire to contribute, just like every other player.

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Speaker 1: So I don't buy that either. I think most every

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Speaker 1: guy in there would love it if everybody could eat,

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Speaker 1: because when you win games, that lifts everybody. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Steph Diggs ain't gonna go anywhere. He's He's contributing to

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Speaker 1: this offense as much as they need him to, and

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Speaker 1: if somebody else has an opportunity to contribute, he's going

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Speaker 1: to be all about it. So I'm I don't agree

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Speaker 1: with that at all. And you're right, Hardy and Sherfield

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Speaker 1: have something to offer, and you know, it's we go

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Speaker 1: through this cycle. It seems like with Gabe Davis, where

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Speaker 1: you know he just goes somewhere and well doesn't contribute

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Speaker 1: some reason.

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Speaker 2: Two weeks ago he's nine catches, you know, and a touchdown,

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Speaker 2: the game winning touchdown, by the way, and then last

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Speaker 2: week zippo, like literally nothing, not a single reception.

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Speaker 1: And he had no shot at catching either one of

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Speaker 1: those balls, despite the face mask thing that you know,

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Speaker 1: the pass interference he turned up on one on the

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Speaker 1: on the on the on the intentional grounding call. I

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Speaker 1: can't believe it. I can't believe that call. And then

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Speaker 1: the one on the face mask. I don't think he

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Speaker 1: was going to catch that ball anyway, and maybe that's

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Speaker 1: why they didn't catch him. Maybe it was uncatchable, but

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Speaker 1: I'm but those are the only two chances he had.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and special teams needs to find their consistency as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, Sam Martin comes off a marvelous performance on

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Speaker 2: Thursday night against Tampa three down inside the ten, two

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Speaker 2: of which were down inside the five on punts. He

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Speaker 2: effectively flips the field against Tampa Bay, and then he

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Speaker 2: comes out against Cincinnati and he just can't flat out

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Speaker 2: do it. He has two substandard punts by his standards.

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Speaker 3: I think he would admit to that.

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Speaker 2: And they could not flip the field against an offense

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Speaker 2: that is challenging to stop. I mean, you needed him

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Speaker 2: to flip the field more against Cincinnati than you did

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Speaker 2: against Tampa and.

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Speaker 3: He could not do it.

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Speaker 2: And it played into the struggles that this team had

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Speaker 2: to get an advantage in the field position game. And

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Speaker 2: I know people don't maybe pay as much attention to

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Speaker 2: that as they should, but it's an important phase of

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Speaker 2: the game. And you know, I'm preaching to the choir

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Speaker 2: over here to my left, but yeah, they have to

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Speaker 2: find better consistency week to week to help this team.

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Speaker 2: Right now, knowing how shorthanded their defense is, we are

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Speaker 2: up against the break, so we have to take one

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Speaker 2: here when we come back.

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Speaker 3: Going to be joined by my.

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Speaker 2: Broadcast partner on the Bills Radio Network, Eric Woold, to

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Speaker 2: dice up Cincinnati and maybe to get started and ready

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Speaker 2: for Denver coming up a week from tonight on Monday

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Speaker 2: Night Football here on one Bill's Live.

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Speaker 3: Stay tuned all right back here.

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Speaker 2: I want Bill's Live Chris Brown, Steve Tasker on a Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: and we bring in now Bill's radio color analysts.

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Speaker 3: Former Bill Center.

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Speaker 2: Eric would to kind of just put a post mortem

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Speaker 2: on Sunday Night Football and maybe look ahead and try

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Speaker 2: to find some answers for an offense that still is

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Speaker 2: experiencing lulls in play through the course of games. And Eric,

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Speaker 2: we've watched this and witnessed this for the better part

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Speaker 2: of the last month or so now where there's about

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Speaker 2: a quarter and a half of the football game where

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Speaker 2: the offense just disappears, and with a defense currently in

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Speaker 2: an injury riddled state, you really need the offense to

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Speaker 2: do more of that to put this team in position

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Speaker 2: to win football games.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're exactly right right now, they're just way too

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Speaker 6: inconsistent on offense to many three and outs. Through four

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Speaker 6: weeks of the season, the Bills had to lease the

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Speaker 6: amount of three and outs in the league, and as

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Speaker 6: of late, they're just there's way too many turnovers, three

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Speaker 6: and outs and these situations that their experience on offense

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Speaker 6: where they're putting way too much stress on the defense

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Speaker 6: when it should be the offense that's taking the stress

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Speaker 6: off the defense if they're going to play, as they say,

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Speaker 6: complimentary football and win football games. And that's why you

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Speaker 6: see them with a five to four record. Now that

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Speaker 6: on the outside of the playoff picture is a majority

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Speaker 6: of it is the inconsistenty on offense. And then this

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Speaker 6: defense has really fought, I mean just really fought with

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Speaker 6: all these injuries that they've had to deal with, and

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Speaker 6: they hold the Bengals to twenty four points in this game,

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Speaker 6: and to me, you know, this offense moving forward has

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Speaker 6: to be more aggressive and take that mentality like they

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Speaker 6: had at the start of the game more consistently through

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Speaker 6: the rest of the game, which includes uptemple offense, which

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Speaker 6: includes some scripted plays and complimentary concepts that put stress

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Speaker 6: on the defense and not as much reacting to what

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Speaker 6: the defense is giving you.

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Speaker 1: Do you get a sense that because of the defensive injury,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we were talking about it yesterday, there's like

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Speaker 1: six guys who were not who were playing on the

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Speaker 1: defense that weren't even on that weren't starting at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the year, So like half the defenses is

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Speaker 1: on the sidelines. Do you get a sense that maybe

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Speaker 1: as a philosophy, the teams are saying, listen, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: play a little conservative offensively, protect our defense a little bit.

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Speaker 1: The defenses is not you're like you said, they're battling.

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Speaker 1: But the only problem in the defense I thought in

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati game was they couldn't get those guys off

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Speaker 1: the field.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: They held, like you said, twenty seven points or twenty

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Speaker 1: four points, and in the first half, the time of

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Speaker 1: possession was twenty one to nine in favor of the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: So the Bills, yeah, might have moved the football, but

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Speaker 1: they didn't, you know, didn't stay on the field long

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Speaker 1: enough and the defense couldn't get the Bengals off. So

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Speaker 1: do you think as a staff McDermott, these guys saying, listen, listen,

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Speaker 1: we got to kind of play this game. We don't

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Speaker 1: want to have our defense defend, you know, against a

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Speaker 1: team that you know from a hole. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 6: I know exactly what you're saying. And if you look

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Speaker 6: back at these last maybe four or five games since

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Speaker 6: those injuries really hid in London, it's amazing the possessions

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Speaker 6: per game have gone down and on a consistent basis,

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Speaker 6: they're kind of in that eight to nine, maybe ten

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Speaker 6: possessions of the game, when generally over the past few

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Speaker 6: years we've seen ten to twelve possessions from the Bills.

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Speaker 6: I think some of that comes with exactly what you're saying,

658
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Speaker 6: and that's protecting the defense. Do you want to run

659
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 6: up tempo offense from a backed up situation, which we

660
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 6: heard from Sean McDermott and Ken Dorsey yesterday. Some of

661
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 6: the situations didn't allow them to stay in an uptempo

662
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 6: mode as much. And I think part of that's protecting

663
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 6: a defense, which can be smart at times, especially as

664
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 6: you fall down seven to nothing, fourteen to seven. You

665
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 6: can't have a quick three and out put extra stress

666
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 6: on this defense that's already light in numbers and got

667
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 6: banged up again on Sunday, and so you know, moving forward,

668
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 6: I just feel like if this team's gonna be successful,

669
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 6: this team's going to reach the playoffs and make a

670
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 6: run at a super Bowl, they're gonna have to be

671
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 6: more aggressive on offense and say, look, we may give

672
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 6: up some points and we may put some extra stress

673
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 6: on our defense, but on second one, sometimes even third

674
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 6: and one from plus territory, we got to take some

675
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 6: shots because we need to build a lead and we

676
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 6: can't allow teams to be two dimensional for an entire

677
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 6: game against us. Defensively, I don't care if you have

678
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 6: injuries or not. That's just a tough situation to be in. Defensively, Yeah,

679
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 6: it does.

680
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Speaker 1: It makes a lot of sense. You can see the

681
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: logic in saying, listen, we'll run the no huddle, but

682
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: we ain't gonna do it inside our own twenty five

683
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: yard line. You know what I'm saying with the other

684
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: the double edged sword obviously is coming off the field

685
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: or turning it over because you're going not because you're

686
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: going faster, turning it over at all, but making sure

687
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: you're in the right play. But you know, when you

688
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: get on the plus side of it, then maybe shift

689
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: gears and go no huddle. And it's easy to see

690
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: the logic in that.

691
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so in those situations when you're not gonna

692
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 6: be in the no huddle, that's when I want to

693
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 6: see the dictating plays to a defense, whether it's and

694
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 6: I know Dawson Knox is out, but whether it's getting

695
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 6: a heavier personnel and making them adjust to that, whether

696
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 6: that's putting four guys, four receivers on one side of

697
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 6: the formation to just put the defense in stressful situations

698
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,479
Speaker 6: and steal a few first down, steal a first down

699
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 6: with just scripting a guy open and save those plays

700
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 6: for those moments. And then once you get that first

701
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 6: first down, once you get you know, somewhere around midfield,

702
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 6: then hit the uptempal offense. Because the more they could

703
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 6: be in that uptimple offense. We saw it from the

704
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 6: start of the game last week. The more successful this

705
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 6: offense is right now, and look, every season, every situation

706
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 6: is different. Right now, at this point of the season

707
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 6: through nine games, that's where they need to try to

708
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 6: get to. So if you're not comfortable running it, you know,

709
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 6: backed up, which I completely under you're not comfortable running

710
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 6: it after a long scoring drive by the other team

711
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 6: because your defense needs a touch more rest. Okay, that's

712
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 6: when you have your scripted plays, those go tos where okay,

713
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 6: we saved this one. This gets us that first down

714
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Speaker 6: to get maybe to the thirty five to forty. Okay,

715
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 6: now we're back in the no huddle offense where we're

716
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Speaker 6: dictating to the defense.

717
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Speaker 2: Then all right, so let's look at that injury reddle

718
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 2: defense to El Bernard in concussion protocol. Tyrel Dotson finishes

719
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: the game as the mike linebacker. Last week against the Bengals,

720
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: Christian Benford tweaks his hamstring. It's a wait and see

721
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: on him, as it is for Micah Hyde, who left

722
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 2: last week's game with a stinger. Looks like Dane Jackson's

723
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: going to be okay, according to coach McDermott. So knowing knowing,

724
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Speaker 2: you have Rasul Douglas. Josh Norman is probably a consideration

725
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 2: as well as JaMarcus Ingram on the practice squad. You're

726
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: getting precariously thin here. How do you how do you

727
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: game plan that when you know you're down to essentially

728
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: what is corners five and six.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so we've seen more pressures, more blitzes given by

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00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 6: Sean McDermott, try and rush that quarterback in the pocket,

731
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Speaker 6: try and cast some chaos on their side of the

732
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 6: line of scrimmage to make it easier on that secondary.

733
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Speaker 6: There's been some run blitzes to help out those linebackers

734
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Speaker 6: at times, with Milano obviously alt and he's on IR

735
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 6: and then Bernard leaving the game last week, so you

736
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 6: have some more run blitzes. But even then then you

737
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 6: leave yourself susceptible, especially against good quarterbacks, to easier throws,

738
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Speaker 6: which we saw at times against the Bengals and Chris

739
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 6: we talked about it in the pregame and we talked

740
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 6: about it earlier in the game. If the Bills were

741
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 6: gonna come out with a win in Cincinnati, both lines

742
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 6: of scrimmage were gonna have to win the game. It

743
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 6: was gonna have to be the offensive line and the

744
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 6: defensive line. Look, and this isn't just because I'm a

745
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 6: former offensive lineman and I love the big boys up

746
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 6: front and I love that trench game. It's because against

747
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Speaker 6: you know, when you're playing another elite quarterback Josh Allen

748
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 6: Lee quarterback, Joe Burrow, Lee quarterback. If you give them time,

749
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Speaker 6: there's going to be plays made out there. But if

750
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 6: you're not able to affect them in the pocket, both

751
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 6: of them are just going to torch you. And I

752
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 6: didn't feel like consistently enough, especially with the injuries on

753
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 6: the second and third level of defense, the defensive line

754
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 6: get home now. I thought the pass rush was better

755
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 6: than it was at the start of the Monday that

756
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 6: game last year in January Againt Cincinnati, and better in

757
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 6: the playoff game, but just not consistently enough affecting him

758
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 6: in the pocket where you force Joe Burrow into a

759
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 6: rushed mistake. And we're seeing that on the back end

760
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 6: of the defense, where yes, the interceptions aren't there, and

761
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 6: some of that is the play of the secondary, but

762
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 6: a lot of what causes interceptions is the defensive line.

763
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Speaker 6: The defensive line forcing a quarterback to rush a throw.

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Speaker 6: It's the hits they give them early in a game

765
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Speaker 6: that now this quarterback's internal alarm clock is going off

766
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Speaker 6: just a little bit quicker, and so we're not seeing those.

767
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Speaker 6: And then I feel like offensively, when you look at

768
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 6: the offensive line, there was times where Josh had all

769
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 6: day to throw out there, and when he did, they

770
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Speaker 6: made him pay. And then there was other times where

771
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Speaker 6: it wasn't like guys were just getting smoked up front,

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Speaker 6: It's just that pocket was collapsing way too fast, where

773
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Speaker 6: Josh is having to make a quick throw when he

774
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 6: didn't really want to, or trying to escape the pocket

775
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Speaker 6: way too soon.

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Speaker 1: What do you think is the next step for the offense.

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Speaker 6: I think the next step is finding plays where you

778
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Speaker 6: make it easy on Josh. Now I put so much

779
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Speaker 6: stress on him play in and play out to read

780
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Speaker 6: the defense, find the open throw, make the correct read,

781
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 6: go through your possession, your progressions. Some of that's going

782
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 6: to happen naturally, and I understand that, but just finding

783
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 6: more easy throws for Josh and I love the way

784
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Speaker 6: they started the game, and for those watching at home,

785
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Speaker 6: we're seeing the early screen pass that was thrown to

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Speaker 6: Digs where he breaks a few tackles and gets up

787
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Speaker 6: the field for I believe a thirty to your gain.

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Speaker 6: Well earlier in that drive they put digs on the

789
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 6: same motion and they hit Kincaid in the flat on

790
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 6: the opposite side, and so you're putting stress on the

791
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 6: defense formationally with motions and you're dictating to the defense

792
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 6: in those modes and not as much reaction post snap,

793
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 6: trying to read a pre snap. I think getting a

794
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 6: run game going would would help. But the strength of

795
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 6: this offense is its quarterback and his ability to throw

796
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 6: the football on you, the receivers that you have on

797
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 6: the outside, including Dalton Kincaid and so yes, getting a

798
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 6: run game and having the threat more of a run.

799
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Speaker 6: I mean, we see James Cook at six rushes for

800
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 6: twenty yards in that game. There wasn't a design run

801
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 6: for Josh Allen to till the second half of the game.

802
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 6: And so to me, it's finding ways to dictate to

803
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 6: the defense. And I think the ways you do that

804
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 6: is the uptemple offense at times. I think there's scripted

805
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 6: plays at times that can similar to the screen pass,

806
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 6: the digs and the short pass Kincaid off the set

807
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 6: emotion mirrored sets. I think that's a great way to

808
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 6: dictate to the defense. And then also it's personnel wise,

809
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 6: it's formationally, just just dictating make them shift, and not

810
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 6: always the Bills offense reacting. I just feel like at

811
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 6: times it's so hard for them to just consistently react

812
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Speaker 6: to the defense playing and play out.

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Speaker 1: Eric.

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Speaker 3: Thanks as always. We'll catch up with you next week.

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Speaker 6: Sounds good. I hope. I'm looking forward to hearing Dan

816
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 6: Orlowski break down that as well. I wish I would

817
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 6: have went after him, so uh would have made that

818
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 6: would have made my job a little bit easier.

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Speaker 2: You can always react the show on Buffalo bills dot

820
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,080
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821
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Speaker 2: Thanks again, Eric, We appreciate it. Got to take a

822
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Speaker 2: break here, but we're gonna get back to your phone

823
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Speaker 2: calls when we return. Billy in Rochester, Don in Rochester,

824
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,680
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Speaker 2: In this short segment, and we go to Billy in Rochester.

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Speaker 2: What you got for us?

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Speaker 1: Billy?

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Speaker 7: Hey, how are you doing, gentlemen?

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Speaker 1: Jud doing great?

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Speaker 4: Excellent.

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Speaker 7: I got a couple observations, and one of the major

837
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Speaker 7: things is is I'm looking at this year when they

838
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Speaker 7: go to the sidelines. I kind of rewind a couple

839
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Speaker 7: of years ago when Dave all was, you know, in

840
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Speaker 7: there as a coordinator. You always when he always looked

841
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 7: over at the bench, you know, when the defense was

842
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 7: on the field, you always saw his name is the

843
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 7: wide receiver coach? What it was it, Chad Haul. Yeah,

844
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 7: you always saw him with a pad talking with Josh

845
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 7: Allen and whatnot. And just an observation this year, you

846
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 7: often see Josh sitting there alone. Maybe were cut off

847
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 7: and maybe we don't see what's happening. But I always

848
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 7: saw a lot of that going on a couple of

849
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 7: years ago, which I don't see this year. That's just

850
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 7: an observation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I see Joe Brady frequently sitting down

852
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: with Joshu or rehashing the previous series with him with

853
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: great regularity. I mean, I see it just about every week.

854
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: And I think Joe is a guy that is not

855
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: the kind of coach that's just going to prattle on

856
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 2: and on and on and on.

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00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: Josh is a six year veteran.

858
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Speaker 2: You give him your coaching points, you hand him the iPad,

859
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: say if you have any questions, let me know, and

860
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: you move on.

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of how Joe treats Josh. At this

862
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Speaker 3: point in.

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Speaker 1: His career, say two or three years ago, joshu was

864
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: a vastly different player, and.

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Speaker 3: It was Ken Dorsey talking came back then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Dave Ball was upstairs for at the end

867
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Speaker 1: of it. In the beginning, I think Dorsey was downstairs

868
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: and then he moved upstairs once Josh got a handle

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00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: on things, and you know, and Josh progressed so and

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Speaker 1: I and I'll say this, particularly when you're watching the

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00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 1: game on TV, I would be really I would really

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Speaker 1: caution you to make any uh, summarizations about relationships or

873
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: how things are going by a TV shot on the sideline.

874
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: You're restrict you have restricted accession.

875
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: You're looking at a you're looking at a sunset through

876
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: a keyhole, and that's you know, it's no way to

877
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: make an assumption about uh anything, So I get it. Uh,

878
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: we all kind of look for stuff and try and

879
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: figure stuff out by what we see. But uh, watching

880
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: the game on TV and talking about stuff that's going

881
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: on the sidelines is is it's really hard to do.

882
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: It's hard to do. Sometimes you can do it, and

883
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: sometimes you get it right, but usually you just don't

884
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: have enough information because so much goes on on the

885
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: sidelines that nobody ever sees or notices because of what's

886
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: going on in the field, it's really hard hard to

887
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: get a sense of the entire team or the scope

888
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: of things from just a two second camera shot on

889
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: a TV broadcast.

890
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: Let's go to Don in Rochester next week.

891
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 5: You got Don, Hi, guys, question comes up and I

892
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 5: know it's been passed over time and again. The run

893
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 5: game or the lack of you know, this has been

894
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 5: a problem for four or five years. Eric Woods would

895
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 5: have been good to get his two cents? Is that

896
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 5: the personnel? Is that the coaching, I mean the coach

897
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 5: has a great reputation, or is it the game planning?

898
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 5: I mean we let we let Zach Moscow and he's

899
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 5: second in the league in rushing right now, So there's

900
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 5: there's I mean, I can't believe Indianapolis They're old line

901
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 5: is that much better in our old line?

902
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

903
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 4: How do you think the problem lies?

904
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's a byproduct of a

905
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: few things.

906
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 3: Don it could be all of the above. That's part one.

907
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: Part two is a team like the Indianapolis Colts, who

908
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 2: are going the rest of the way with their backup

909
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: quarterback Gardner Minshew, are gonna have a greater propensity to

910
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: run the football to better support a limited quarterback. Teams

911
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: like the Bengals or the Bills or you know, others

912
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: with elite quarterbacks don't have to lean on a run

913
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: game to prop up the quarterback. That's not to say

914
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: that the Bills shouldn't run the ball or shouldn't try

915
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: to run the ball. And I will say last week

916
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: the offensive line had trouble resetting the line of scrimmage.

917
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: That's a good defensive front that Cincinnati has a very

918
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: physical group across the board.

919
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: End to end.

920
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got defensive ends on that front that

921
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: are two sixty five and two seventy five. That's not

922
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: common in this league anymore. Usually they go two fifty

923
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 2: five to fifty. They got heavy guys with heavy hands

924
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: on that defensive front. Now that's not to say that

925
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be able to move those guys or scheme

926
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 2: up a run game that's going to be effective, but

927
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 2: it was a problem this past week.

928
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question about it.

929
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: But after they fell behind on the scoreboard twenty one

930
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: to seven, you also weren't going to run it a

931
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 2: whole lot either, So the circumstances of the game also

932
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: dictated the play selection as well.

933
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to over generalize. You're right, if a

934
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: team could run the ball at will, they'd never do

935
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: anything else because you never turn it over you rarely.

936
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: It's easy to It's easier not to fumble the ball

937
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: than it is not to throw interceptions. It's a throwing league,

938
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: and offensive linemen will always tell you if you want

939
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: to get good at running the ball, you got to

940
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 1: run the ball because it's hard, and particularly in today's NFL,

941
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: you don't have live practices, you don't have tackling, you

942
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: don't do all that stuff, so you don't get good

943
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: at it unless you do it a lot. And when

944
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: you do it in a game is when you really

945
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: get good at it. Well, you don't want to run

946
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: the football and lose games just to get good at

947
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: running the ball. That's what you're basically at talking about.

948
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: You run the ball in the NFL today to either

949
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: make a defense pay for over committing to the pass

950
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: by going a light box, or because you're trying to

951
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: run the clock out. Basically, that's it.

952
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: So the reason Indy he's good at running the football

953
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: is because they're twenty eighth in passing. They can't pass

954
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 2: the ball, so they have to run it, and they

955
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: run it pretty effectively. They're tenth in the league and

956
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,479
Speaker 2: rushing they do a good job with it. So they're

957
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: doing what they do best because they can't throw the ball.

958
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: That's what they do best. And they're still tenth in

959
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: the league. I mean, they're not fourth or third or

960
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: second or first in the league. And I know Moss

961
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: is having a good year and he's hey, brings something

962
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: to the he's a good running back. But you know

963
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: how many I don't know how many catch balls he's catching,

964
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: But there's a reason he's not on the bills.

965
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: Break time for us here, Hour number two begins with

966
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: our weekly visit with the ESPN NFL analyst dan or Lobsky.

967
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: We'll have him break down the Sunday night game, what

968
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: happened there and what to do about the offense going forward.

969
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,279
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971
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:05,880
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00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,880
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974
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,200
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00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,640
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Speaker 2: Pearl Buffalo dot Com. All right, dan uh, We've got

980
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 2: an offense here that you know is still experiencing lulls

981
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 2: in the course of games. They're essentially playing a good

982
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: quarter and a half of football on average each of

983
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: the last five weeks, and with an injury riddle defense.

984
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people were hoping the offense

985
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: would be able to carry more of the burden. They

986
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: have not. For whatever reason. We heard Brandon Bean last

987
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: week say the tea the offense is still searching for

988
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: its identity. If you had to put your description on

989
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 2: the offense and a potential identity right now, what would

990
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: you say it is based on your observations if there

991
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: is one.

992
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 8: I really don't think they have a schematic identity. I

993
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 8: think they have a philosophical identity, and that seems to

994
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 8: be like, in my opinion, reactive instead of proactive. I

995
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 8: think it's also like fair to say this was a

996
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 8: really good game on the road versus a team that's

997
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 8: playing really good football. And I think you know, when

998
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 8: you play one of those teams that's so good defensively

999
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 8: the game, you know, if Josh's interception just a poor decision,

1000
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 8: just a poor decision, force throw, it's there's nothing that

1001
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 8: is so X and O in depth about it.

1002
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 9: It's covered two.

1003
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 8: He tries to force the whole shot, just to force

1004
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 8: the poor decision, but it happens backed up in their

1005
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 8: own area, right, so you're you're like gifting the other

1006
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 8: team points. Dalton's fumble, great play by the it happens

1007
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 8: going into the red zone, so you're taking points off.

1008
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 8: So in a one score game, you're sitting there. Gosh,

1009
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,959
Speaker 8: those those two plays stand out a lot. I think

1010
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 8: that you know when you when you watch and you go, okay,

1011
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 8: they no huddle worked a little bit. They didn't do

1012
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 8: it as much as maybe I kind of thought they

1013
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 8: should have. And I think, like one of my notes

1014
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 8: is I watched that game. Two notes that stood out

1015
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 8: to me were it felt like they were in gun

1016
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 8: two by two a lot, just in the shotgun. Two

1017
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 8: guys on my right, two guys on my left. And

1018
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 8: you know we you guys have heard me say this,

1019
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 8: right like, this is why I say the identity is

1020
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 8: a little bit reactive. So we know teams want to

1021
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 8: play Josh a certain way, Patrick Mahomes a certain way,

1022
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 8: Joe Burrow a little bit. But they want to play

1023
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 8: these guys a certain way. Those two safeties Shell, they

1024
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 8: they're forcing you to play to the way that they

1025
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 8: want you to play.

1026
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 9: And Mike, like Mike my gripe a little bit.

1027
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 8: With Buffalo's offense, I don't think the world's ending, but

1028
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 8: Blow's offenses, it's almost they oblige to that too much.

1029
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 9: Like all right, we'll we'll play the way you want

1030
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 9: us to play.

1031
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 8: And it's almost you have like you got to be

1032
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 8: in the mindset of like no, no, no, no, no, we're

1033
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 8: gonna do things so you as a defense don't get

1034
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 8: to play the way that you want to play. All right,

1035
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 8: but you know it can't always be like, all right,

1036
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 8: we'll play to the style that you want us to

1037
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 8: and this and that and never do things to a

1038
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 8: defense to force the defense to then go, well, we

1039
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 8: can't play this style anymore.

1040
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 9: We have to adjust, all right.

1041
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: So let's take that a step further. We know that

1042
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: Dawson Knox is still on IR twelve. Personnel is kind

1043
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 2: of compromised as a personnel grouping right now, how do

1044
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: you flip that script and dictate?

1045
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1046
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 8: I think a little bit of the no huddle helps,

1047
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 8: you know, because I think Josh is smart enough to

1048
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 8: live at the line of scrimmage and get themselves out

1049
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 8: of bad plays and into really good ones. I think

1050
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 8: a little bit more variance in their run game, you know,

1051
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 8: when it comes to a variety of run action. I

1052
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 8: think a little bit more of the RPO stuff that's

1053
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 8: just not two by two RPO. You remember last week

1054
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 8: I told you guys like you guys saw it too.

1055
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 8: They ran like six different plays. It wasn't like the

1056
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 8: schematic masterpiece. And like, here's the thing. When you're playing

1057
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 8: teams that defensively want to sit in those two high shows,

1058
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 8: there's really two ways to get them out of it.

1059
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 8: You have to be very disciplined and hard headed to

1060
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 8: force that extra guy down closer to the football. You

1061
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 8: have to be willing to pound the football a little bit.

1062
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 8: You have to be and be very efficient and hard

1063
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 8: headed with it. And then there's you guys have heard

1064
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 8: me say this, there's two ways to take shots or

1065
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 8: chunks in this league.

1066
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 9: There's two ways.

1067
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 8: You either have a freak that wins one on one

1068
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 8: coverage or you play action them out of it. You

1069
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 8: play action concept them out of it. Because when teams

1070
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 8: are sitting there, think about it this way, Guys, like

1071
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 8: if the ball's on the right, hash right, and I

1072
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 8: don't care what personnel I'm in, but if I have

1073
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 8: a receiver out to the right into the boundary, and

1074
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 8: then I have a safety that's into the boundary as well,

1075
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 8: and then there's you can only have one other guy

1076
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 8: in the second level past concept defense wise, there like

1077
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 8: that math wise, you can only have one that's the

1078
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 8: guy that I constantly have to try to put in conflict.

1079
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 8: So I could take that receiver and push him vertical

1080
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 8: or push him on a post, and then there's gotta

1081
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 8: be somebody that's coming from the other side at behind

1082
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 8: that linebacker and then something that is in front of

1083
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 8: that linebacker to.

1084
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 9: Put that guy in conflict.

1085
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 8: And that's that doesn't happen enough because that's the way

1086
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 8: that you get chunks on those defenses. And it's not

1087
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 8: just dropping back. It's just not too many teams do

1088
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 8: it in the NFL. Buffalo's just not the only guilty one.

1089
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 8: So there's there's a very simplistic way to do it

1090
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 8: that you can kind of dress up. But that's like

1091
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 8: one of those just very basic, simple ways to go

1092
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 8: about doing it offensively.

1093
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: The Bills are way way healthier than they are on

1094
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. Have you what are

1095
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: your thoughts on, you know, trying to come into a

1096
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: game where and it certainly didn't look like this. The

1097
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: Bengals had the ball for twenty one minutes in the

1098
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: first half. Yeah, and the Bills had like fifteen plays

1099
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: or maybe even twenty plays total offensively in the first half.

1100
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: Is there some sort of is there any chance that

1101
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: maybe there's a philosophy saying, listen, we gotta play our

1102
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: offense to make sure our defense is not on the

1103
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: field as much as they can't even though the defense

1104
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: is struggling to get off the field.

1105
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean there is Buffalo, or excuse me, Cincinnati.

1106
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 8: I think was like third in the NFL when it

1107
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 8: came to time up possession last year. That's kind of

1108
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 8: who they are identity wise on offense. You guys asked Chris,

1109
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 8: you asked, like, who, what's the identity of the Bills?

1110
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 9: Like I could very clearly tell.

1111
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 8: You the identity of the Bengals right now because they're healthy,

1112
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 8: you know, and so like Steve.

1113
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 9: It's it's like, if you just want the way they

1114
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 9: went to about it.

1115
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 8: Was like, hey, we're gonna run the offense through Jamar,

1116
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 8: and if Jamar is gonna get single coverage with thrown

1117
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 8: it to Jamar, and if Jamar is gonna get doubled,

1118
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 8: which Buffalo doubled him a ton. It was like, hey,

1119
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 8: throw to Tee, throw to Tyler. They got people to

1120
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 8: hurt you opposite that, and it was just this very

1121
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,439
Speaker 8: plays on it's going to be very efficient. They're gonna

1122
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 8: run their RPOs and they got a little play action,

1123
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 8: and so it's a beauty with the way that they

1124
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 8: go about it. There's something to be said about it. Again,

1125
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 8: I don't think I don't walk away from this game going,

1126
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 8: oh my gosh, what a bad offensive performance, Like I

1127
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 8: have a ton of respect and admiration for how good

1128
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 8: since these defenses And if you know Josh doesn't force

1129
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 8: that ball, you know that that you don't get that

1130
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 8: kind of cheap score. And if Dalton doesn't fumble that

1131
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 8: dude again and go get some points. So you know,

1132
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 8: I feel a little bit better than I I thought

1133
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 8: I would from their offensive performance. But yeah, I think

1134
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 8: there's a there's a little bit but like it doesn't

1135
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 8: you know this, it doesn't just happened where she said, Oh,

1136
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 8: you know what, will become a little bit more efficient,

1137
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 8: it will become a little bit more balk possession centric,

1138
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 8: and there's there's.

1139
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 9: A method to go about it.

1140
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 8: There's a philosophical way that you go about doing that.

1141
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 8: And you've got to get everybody on the team player wise,

1142
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 8: in those roles that are very specific and important to them.

1143
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 8: And I do I think Buffalo can get there to

1144
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 8: help them. Yes, I don't. I don't think that they

1145
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 8: showed that last week.

1146
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 2: Do you think that Buffalo's offense is too dependent on

1147
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: players to win on their given assignments rather than scheming

1148
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 2: players open using the playbook and the scheming to help

1149
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 2: them win.

1150
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 8: Yes, but I can say that about a lot of

1151
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 8: teams if I want to be fair to Buffalo. Yes,

1152
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 8: it like there is I remember when Tom went down

1153
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 8: to Tampa. I used to always say, like, they're so

1154
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 8: execution based. If everyone executes at a really high level,

1155
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 8: then they'll play well. And I think that's why you

1156
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 8: see some games you're like, oh man, yeah, that's that's

1157
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 8: they were really good. But the other team gets paid,

1158
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 8: they're gonna make it hard on you, and.

1159
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 9: Like we can't.

1160
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 8: There's there's Yes, I want the guys to execute at

1161
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 8: a certain level, But am I asking them if they

1162
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 8: execute at a ten? Is that the only way for success?

1163
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 8: Like what happens if they're executing at an eight at

1164
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 8: that play? Can I do something scheme wise, formation wise,

1165
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 8: motion wise to help that eight become a ten and result?

1166
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: You know?

1167
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 9: And so I don't know if that's there's enough of that.

1168
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 8: You watch teams in the NFL and like not everyone's

1169
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 8: the the the the San Francisco forty nine ers, or

1170
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 8: the Detroit Lions when it comes to some of their

1171
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 8: unique scheme stuff. Even the Colts do some really cool stuff.

1172
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,439
Speaker 8: But I do watch teams that I think are built

1173
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 8: somewhat similar to a Buffalo, Like I watched Cincinnati get

1174
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 8: into their four x one RPO a bunch.

1175
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 9: I don't watch Buffalo do that enough. In my opinion,

1176
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 9: I got I don't think I think the world did

1177
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 9: Jamar Chase. I think Steph's really good.

1178
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 8: We could put Steph by himself and say, hey, if

1179
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 8: you're gonna cover him one on one, we're gonna throw

1180
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 8: him the ball. And if not, we can go some

1181
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 8: some run action away. We can go a four by

1182
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 8: one screen opposite, we can go a past concept and

1183
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 8: help guys win versus owner leverage.

1184
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 9: And so I watched.

1185
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 8: So, so my point is this, like I do think

1186
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 8: that there's more room for growth, and again I think

1187
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 8: their offense is okay right now, but it needs to

1188
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 8: be great more room for growth when it comes to

1189
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 8: formations and motions to help those guys execute easier.

1190
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So if you see this as you see

1191
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: Thisriih on the horizon Monday Night Football coming up against

1192
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: the Broncos. Give us us you know the Broncos coming

1193
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: off by they beat Kansas City, They've won two straight

1194
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: after starting one and five. Give us some insights. What Russ,

1195
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: you know, Russ Wilson's doing, Sean Payton, what you can

1196
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: expect in this matchup.

1197
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, so Russell actually playing well. It's just the first

1198
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 8: five weeks of the year. Their defense was historically bad.

1199
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 8: So Russell's playing good. They're absolutely designing things to push

1200
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 8: the ball down the field. He's got some players like

1201
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 8: Jerry Judy is a very good route runner, Ston big body.

1202
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 8: I think they're the pass catching outside of like Jerry Judy,

1203
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 8: their best pass catchers are honestly their backs. They're doing

1204
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 8: a really nice job getting their backs in the past game,

1205
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 8: both check downs, screens, it's a heavy screen team.

1206
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 9: You'll see him.

1207
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 8: Under center, some play action shots. So their offenses is

1208
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 8: doing a nice job. Their interior, their offensive lines running

1209
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 8: the football better than they had at the start of

1210
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 8: the year.

1211
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 9: So you know, I think like this is going to

1212
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 9: be a game.

1213
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 8: Where they got to cover really good low you know,

1214
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 8: and be very aware of the shots downfield and their

1215
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 8: play action game Russell's doing a really nice job picking

1216
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 8: his spots with his legs as well, way healthier and

1217
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 8: better moving than he was last year. And then defensively,

1218
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 8: I think, you know a couple of things, like they're

1219
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 8: getting some of their younger pass rushers on the field

1220
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 8: and they're they're starting to rush the passer really well.

1221
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 8: They're communicating way better on the back end, they're not

1222
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 8: getting nearly as many blown coverages, and so they're playing

1223
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 8: better defensively.

1224
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 9: Now. Their game versus Kansas City was a little bit

1225
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 9: more of Patrick not playing well than oh my gosh,

1226
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 9: this defense is lockdown.

1227
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 8: So I do think there's gonna be throws there for Josh,

1228
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 8: but it's gonna have to be. Like I tell you,

1229
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 8: if there's one thing that I think you can get

1230
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 8: after them, it's it's field crossers. You can cross the

1231
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 8: field on this defense successfully, So that's.

1232
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 9: Got to be a part of their game plan.

1233
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 2: So their defense, would you say it's the numbers are

1234
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 2: skewed by virtue of their horrible start, they're kind of

1235
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 2: raised the level of their play maybe to a middle

1236
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: of the pack defense.

1237
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 8: Since then, yes, absolutely, I think part justin Simmons, they're

1238
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 8: all kind of pro safety came back. He's held these

1239
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 8: certain hands playing at a really high level. And again

1240
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 8: like they're young. Remember they got rid of Andy Gregory,

1241
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 8: so their young pass rushers. Brownings come on and he's

1242
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 8: been really good. I think they've simplified their defense just

1243
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 8: a little bit. Like at the beginning of the year,

1244
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 8: there were just guys running uncovered, you know, they were

1245
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 8: they were very quiet on defense, very quiet.

1246
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 9: Now I would motion the heck out.

1247
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 8: Of this defense because teams have done it a little

1248
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 8: bit less than they were at the beginning the year.

1249
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 8: Like when Miami hung a ton on them, they were

1250
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 8: it was Chicago had success against There was a ton

1251
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 8: of motions and they were very quiet, and so you

1252
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 8: would you would get guys popped uncovered.

1253
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 9: Essentially, I would motion them.

1254
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 8: I'm not talking like moving a guy from across the

1255
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 8: field like I would.

1256
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 9: I would shift the formation and then motion a guy.

1257
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 9: I would motion one guy and then bringing I would

1258
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 9: change the surface level constantly against their defense to force

1259
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 9: them to talk a ton. I think that's still a

1260
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 9: place where you can get after them.

1261
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: When you see a game like this, you know, Sean

1262
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: Payton has always had the reputation being a really an

1263
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: aggressive play caller. He's notoriously the surprise on side kick

1264
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: guy in the Super Bowl, you know that kind of thing.

1265
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: Has he shown much of that with Russ Wilson in

1266
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: this offense?

1267
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean the first I think the first play

1268
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 8: of the season was a surprise on sidekick. To be honestly, Yes,

1269
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 8: they're they're very aggressive. They'll go for it on fourth down.

1270
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 8: I think that they I don't think they're overly aggressive, Steve.

1271
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 8: I think you know now that Russell's settled in a

1272
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 8: little bit. This is not it's it's it's funny. Like

1273
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 8: the whole conversation around Russell was like can he.

1274
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 9: Get the ball his hands? This that that's not who

1275
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 9: he is, Like.

1276
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 8: Russell wants to throw the ball downfield, He's gonna want

1277
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 8: to hold the ball and throw it downfield.

1278
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 9: Or you'll see six screens this game, all kinds of screens.

1279
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 8: So you know he's he's gonna be aggressive in that

1280
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 8: regard more so than like, Hey, it's fourth and sixth

1281
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 8: from the our own thirty five yard we're going for it,

1282
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 8: don't I don't see that from him?

1283
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dan, thanks as always.

1284
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 2: That'll be interesting with that screen game Bill's had trouble

1285
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 2: defending screens earlier in the season. They're a bit better

1286
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 2: at it now, but you know, Denver's gonna test him

1287
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 2: on that for sure.

1288
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 3: So I think I think we're gonna.

1289
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 8: Do you know what they do really quick, Chris, like

1290
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 8: the play action pass screen. That's something that Shawn's always

1291
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 8: been good with and it's become a bigger part in

1292
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 8: past two or three weeks.

1293
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 9: That'll they'll see four or five and then on Monday night.

1294
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 2: All right, thanks very much, appreciate it. As always, we'll

1295
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 2: catch up with you next week.

1296
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 3: All right.

1297
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 2: That's Dan Orlofsky joining us as he does every Tuesday.

1298
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 2: Brought to you by Elicatet Hotels. Every time I hear

1299
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 2: him describe an offense utilizing the screen game, and like,

1300
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 2: Bill's are gonna see that. Because the first four or

1301
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 2: five games of the year they had a load of

1302
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 2: trouble defending screens. I think they have improved in that

1303
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 2: area considerably. On the defensive side of the ball in

1304
01:06:59,160 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 2: stopping that.

1305
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: Cincinnati ran a handful of them, and they did, and.

1306
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 3: They didn't have a ton of success.

1307
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 2: The Bills did good rallying to the football number one

1308
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: and number well, number one they did a better job

1309
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 2: of recognizing it because that was a big problem early

1310
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 2: in the season, and then number two they're doing a

1311
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 2: better job of rallying to the football on that. So hopefully,

1312
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 2: I don't know that's going to discourage the Broncos from

1313
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 2: going to it because they do it well. They want

1314
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 2: to do what they do well. And if, oh, by

1315
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: the way, your opponent struggles in it, even if it

1316
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 2: was a month ago, you're gonna use It's as simple

1317
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 2: as that, you go to use it.

1318
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 3: Uh, let's get back to the phones though.

1319
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 2: At eight oh three oh five fifty one eight eight

1320
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 2: eight five point fifty two five fifty the number to

1321
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 2: get on board, we go to Patrick in Rochester, who's

1322
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 2: been waiting patiently.

1323
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 3: What do you got for as Patrick?

1324
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 11: Hey, guys, how you doing?

1325
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 12: I just got one quick thing and then I'm gonna

1326
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 12: read something off and I kind of just want your

1327
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 12: guys opinion. The first thing is is I think it's

1328
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 12: really crazy what a lot of the Bills fans have

1329
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 12: been saying last couple of days, because if you ask me,

1330
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 12: I don't think there's a single team in the AFC

1331
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 12: where if it came to a single playoff game. You're

1332
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 12: titling me the defensive coordinator. They're not a little worried

1333
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 12: about Josh. So I just want to get that.

1334
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 7: Out of the way.

1335
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 12: And then the second thing is.

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01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 11: Josh Allen has relied upon to carry this offense and

1337
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 11: game in and game out, season in, season out, no

1338
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 11: consistent run game. Ever, the play action is bad. When

1339
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 11: there's no run game, everything falls on Josh consistently to

1340
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 11: make plays with his feeders arm. The biggest issue over

1341
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 11: the years has been that the Bills can't win the

1342
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 11: rushing battle in games hardly. Ever, that game they ran

1343
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 11: seventeen or fifty yards, Josh was eight or forty four.

1344
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 11: Like they need to get him more than what they

1345
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 11: have now. Like if you look at the Dolphins, they

1346
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,759
Speaker 11: have two stud receivers, if you look at the Eagles,

1347
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 11: they have two stud receivers. They're giving their quarterback weapons.

1348
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 11: And I just think we are possibly wasting our best

1349
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 11: qubs prime when we, you know, could be doing a

1350
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 11: little better.

1351
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 12: But that's all I have to say.

1352
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 2: All Right, thanks Patrick, al Patrick all respectively respectfully disagree

1353
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 2: with you on one point. I think play action works

1354
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 2: whether you have a run game or not. I mean

1355
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 2: it's been proven in the league, both in analytics and

1356
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 2: in film. Linebackers have been taught from age eight that

1357
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 2: when a quarterback goes to hand the ball off, your

1358
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 2: natural instinct is to get in your gap and fill

1359
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 2: it so you're ready for the run play.

1360
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 3: So it is in their nature.

1361
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 2: It has been pounded into their heads since they're ten

1362
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 2: years old to respect the run. So they're going to

1363
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 2: take a step forward and give you extra space behind them,

1364
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 2: whether you're a good running team or not. Teams have

1365
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 2: done it with success. I'd like to see the Bills

1366
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 2: do it more because I think they could have some

1367
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 2: more success on a consistent basis if they utilize it.

1368
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 2: I mean, as for the rushing totals from Sunday Night's game,

1369
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,600
Speaker 2: the Bills are down twenty one to seven at halftime.

1370
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 2: They had to throw the football, so they weren't going

1371
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 2: to run it as much, and that's why I think

1372
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 2: the running backs had a total of eight carries in

1373
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 2: the game, not counting Josh, and there was only by

1374
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 2: my count, I think two scripted runs for Josh. There

1375
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 2: were two sneaks on third and short by him, so

1376
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 2: that's half of the carries that he had. The other

1377
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 2: four are off script plays where he's trying to extend

1378
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 2: the play because the pocket's collapsing and nobody's open. So

1379
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 2: you know that to me, Yeah, you want to argue

1380
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 2: the run game has been a problem, sure, I'll listen

1381
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 2: to it.

1382
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 3: I would like to see them use play action more so.

1383
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 2: I'm in agreement with you on that, And I don't

1384
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 2: believe you need to have a good run game to

1385
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 2: utilize it effectively.

1386
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: It's interesting because you know you can bend the numbers,

1387
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: and you know they can always say you can make

1388
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: the stats say whatever you want. Josh Allen had eight

1389
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: rushing attempts in the game. I can't remember, like there

1390
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: were some sneaks in there.

1391
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 2: Two on third and short right, So had the scripted

1392
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 2: run on the first drive, and I think there was

1393
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 2: one others.

1394
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: He ran it front. Yeah, right, So there's those scripted runs.

1395
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow carried the ball five times in the game,

1396
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: but he only had four yards do it.

1397
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 3: And none of it was scripted.

1398
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 2: The other there was the short yard is by him

1399
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 2: that he that he did a sneak on too.

1400
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: Other than that, you think about it, this is a

1401
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: game where the Bengals were up twenty one seven at halftime,

1402
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: and they ran the ball a total of seventeen times

1403
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,799
Speaker 1: other than when Burrows scrambled for only four yards in total.

1404
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't run the ball well either.

1405
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: They ran the ball seventeen times when they were up

1406
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 1: by two scores.

1407
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 3: Didn't they average two and a half yards of carry?

1408
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, something. I mean, they didn't run

1409
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: the ball well either, So you know, and the Bills

1410
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: ran it fourteen times outside of well, no, that's not right.

1411
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: They ran it eight times outside of the Josh Allen run.

1412
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was saying.

1413
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: Only eight. It's just a throwing league. And I go

1414
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: and you can say what you want about whether it's

1415
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: wise or not. You know, you're just not going to

1416
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: run the ball twenty five times a game. If you

1417
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: run the ball twenty five times a game, it's because

1418
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 1: you're up like four scores and you just hand it.

1419
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,040
Speaker 1: You don't care about moving the ball or whatever. You

1420
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: get your backup offensive lineman in, you got your backup

1421
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: quarterback in and all that. That's when you run the

1422
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: ball like that. That's kind of the point in history

1423
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: we're at with the league. And I everybody wants to

1424
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: see him hand the ball off and plow for a

1425
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 1: six and a half yard seven yard gain. Every time

1426
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: they do it, it's not gonna happen. So the best

1427
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: you can hope for is to have a running game

1428
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,480
Speaker 1: that's relevant and a play action game that's effective.

1429
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. Let's go back to the phones and

1430
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 3: to Tony on a celle. What do you got for us?

1431
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 13: Tony, Hey, good afternoon, guys.

1432
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 3: How they doing all right?

1433
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 4: I got a couple of things for you.

1434
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 13: I want to start with the Cincinnati game. You know what,

1435
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 13: I think the real difference was t Higgins. He made

1436
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 13: a you he killed us all night. And you know

1437
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 13: what our second guy, Getriel Davis or even Dalton Kinkate,

1438
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 13: either one of them unfortunately, you know, could go stride

1439
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:55,719
Speaker 13: for stride with what he did.

1440
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 3: Well.

1441
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 2: He had eight for one ten and Dalton kid Kate

1442
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 2: had ten for one oh one. So I don't I

1443
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 2: don't understanding for ten for eighty one.

1444
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 14: Oh yeh Like it seems like that at the opportune

1445
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 14: times of the game, right like, you know, those yards

1446
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 14: that he did get were just so important and backbreaking

1447
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:14,719
Speaker 14: at those moments.

1448
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 13: You know that has a on paper. You don't see that.

1449
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're talking about like the gotta have it downs.

1450
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 13: I want to get to the second point because I

1451
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 13: think it's most important, and I think it's good. Mostly

1452
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 13: gates at Steve Tasker, but for the both of you,

1453
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 13: I'm gonna go back to the nineteen ninety six season. Steve,

1454
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,480
Speaker 13: you know, Jim Kelly's last year. Tom Breshnahan's a coordinator.

1455
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 13: People here are up in arms because we want to

1456
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 13: run the no huddle the way that no huddle was

1457
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 13: supposed to be run, and Bresnahan kept trying to slow

1458
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 13: it down. He even had this two back philosophy that

1459
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 13: he was trying to drop on the team. And for

1460
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 13: a few games there during the middle of that year,

1461
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 13: we cut it loose and it was like the old days.

1462
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 13: And then that Jacksonville game, the last playoff game. There

1463
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 13: was a series and I think the beginning of the

1464
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 13: third quarter where you know, they went with the two back,

1465
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 13: and I think that possession cost us the game that

1466
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 13: game back then, and if we can learn from history,

1467
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 13: let's start from history, right. We need to run the

1468
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 13: nohaddle fast. I didn't like Ken Dorsey's comments yesterday I

1469
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 13: didn't like it, kind of rough me the wrong way.

1470
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 13: Because if you don't want to look at Buffalo, Bill

1471
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 13: stillm on how to run the no huddle full speed.

1472
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 13: Let's talk about the Indianapolis Colts per minute, because they

1473
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 13: did a pretty good job of running nohallo themselves. Now,

1474
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,520
Speaker 13: mind you, Ted Marchibroda was there as the radio commentator

1475
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 13: back in those days, but I'm sure he popped his

1476
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 13: head in the locker room and said, yeah, this is

1477
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 13: kind of how it really goes baiton. You know, you

1478
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 13: look at the personnel. We have, Marvin Harrison, Diggs, Reggie Wayne,

1479
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 13: could be Gabriel Davis, Falton, k KPD, Dallas Clark. Okay,

1480
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 13: you know they had Joseph Ade who was not quite

1481
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 13: as good as Thurman, but he was very much like

1482
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 13: Urman or if you want to say, Adrian Games. But

1483
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 13: I still they won the Super Bowl with Joseph Dies,

1484
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 13: So let's stick to that. And then you know, Bill

1485
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 13: Pollium built that team in the same eye as that

1486
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 13: he built the teams. You were on, Steve, and I

1487
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 13: know that this offense doesn't work, but you've got to

1488
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 13: run it the right way. We have the personnel, but

1489
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 13: let's stop being so damn stubborn and let's just cut

1490
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 13: it loose. And that's what I got. Thanks, have a

1491
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 13: good day, all.

1492
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 3: Right, Tony?

1493
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: Okay, Tony, what do you got?

1494
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 3: You were there in ninety six, so.

1495
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: He remembers more about it than I do. Bro I

1496
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: I thought I couldn't have told I didn't know. I

1497
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: couldn't have told you. Tom Bresnahan was the coordinator. I

1498
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: thought it was Jim Schaffner, I don't know. Yeah, and

1499
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: the Edger and James stuff and the Joseph Die stuff

1500
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,799
Speaker 1: and that, yeah, and the indian Indianapolis cold stuff.

1501
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1502
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: The Indianapolis Colts did not run the no huddle like

1503
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: the Bills did. They didn't hurry it up. They just

1504
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: got to the line of scrimmage and Peyton Manning ran

1505
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 1: the whole offense from there. It wasn't necessarily a hurry

1506
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: up offense. It was a let's get to the line

1507
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. I'm going to decipher your defense and then

1508
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call the perfect play. That's very different than

1509
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 1: the way Jim ran it. Jim Kelly and Teddy Marsha

1510
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: Broda ran it. So but kudos to you Tony for

1511
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: remembering all that stuff from twenty no is it twenty

1512
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:35,600
Speaker 1: seven to yeah, twenty seven years ago? That's he got me.

1513
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 2: As for what Ken Dorsey said about using more no huddle,

1514
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 2: you know, why are you not getting up tempo earlier?

1515
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 2: When most players say they function better in it, he

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01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 2: essentially said the following it. This is a direct quote.

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01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 2: We definitely started off in it this past game. It

1518
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 2: was something that we utilized and it was effective for us.

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01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 2: I think at times there the crowd noise became a

1520
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 2: factor with the communication in some of those backed up

1521
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 2: situations because Josh has to communicate a lot with everybody

1522
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 2: on the field, so you need some specific things in

1523
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 2: those situations to make sure you're protecting yourself so you

1524
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 2: don't create a negative play. And now either you're in

1525
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 2: the end zone or even in more of a situation

1526
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 2: where you can't function with a full field. So I

1527
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 2: think those were some of the factors for us. And

1528
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 2: then he also said utilizing it maybe a little bit

1529
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 2: more of a sugar huddle than a true no huddle

1530
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 2: at times last week, which is what we saw. But

1531
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 2: I think it's definitely something that we want to continue

1532
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,879
Speaker 2: to utilize. We just have to make sure we're effective

1533
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 2: when we do and we can stay on the field

1534
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 2: and continue to do that. So we're going to make

1535
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 2: sure we're doing it in a smart, efficient, effective way

1536
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 2: and utilize it when we can. So it sounds like

1537
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 2: place on the field, time and score and home or

1538
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 2: road will have an impact on how often they use

1539
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 2: whether you want to call it sugar huddle or true

1540
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 2: no huddle is used going forward with.

1541
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: And I'll say this and I don't really we talk

1542
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: about it all the time. You know, people bring up

1543
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: the nineties and those those teams that you know, we

1544
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: never won a Super Bowl. We were close, but you know,

1545
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: they bring it up all the time. And the difference

1546
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 1: between what people think of as the no huddle and

1547
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: what happened in the nineties was about two things. It

1548
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: was they that team went very very fast. It was

1549
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,759
Speaker 1: like a hurry up no huddle offense. It was fast.

1550
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: They snapped the ball, ran to the line of scrimmage,

1551
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: called to play on the way to the line of scrimmage,

1552
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 1: and snapped it as soon as they were set. And

1553
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: it all sounds great, and it sounds you know, hard

1554
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: to defend, like we got to line up and all

1555
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: of that. It was hard to defend. The The key

1556
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: to it was wasn't the speed, it was the result.

1557
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 1: The result was first downs. And I remember, and I've

1558
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 1: we've talked about this a zillion times, I hope, but

1559
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 1: people aren't rolling their eyes in an old man. I

1560
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 1: remember Kent Hall saying it. I'm Will Wolford saying it,

1561
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: Howard Ballard and John Davis and Glenn Parker and those

1562
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: guys up front, John Feena in the day, all these

1563
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 1: guys up front would say, Man, if we get four

1564
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 1: plays into that no huddle going fast like that, there

1565
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 1: is no pass rush. They're beat, they're winded, and all

1566
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 1: we do is we can't kind of hold them up

1567
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 1: to keep them from falling over. The pass rush is evaporated.

1568
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: But on those given times when you don't make a

1569
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: first down and you go incompletion, incompletion, you and you

1570
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: know you do that one or two series in a row,

1571
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're not You're digging yourself a

1572
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 1: hole by doing that offense. So there is a risk.

1573
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: So when you run that no huddle, if you're gonna

1574
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: do it like like you know those finger quote old days,

1575
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 1: you go it's not just about going and they go

1576
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: up and step I they go fast, and I mean fast,

1577
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 1: And there was only one one immediate goal, stay on

1578
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: the field. Everything else takes care of itself as you

1579
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 1: get further and further into it. It gets easier and easier

1580
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 1: and easier as you maintain it. But you've got to

1581
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 1: stay on the field. And that is conversely exactly the

1582
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 1: reason why it's so risky to run. You may get

1583
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 1: off the field in a big fat hurry and then

1584
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: the only people that are tired are your guys, so

1585
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: your defense I'm talking about, right, So yeah, I'm this

1586
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 1: no huddle thing in this little this conversation we seem

1587
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: to have at some point every year about running this

1588
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 1: fast paced no huddle offense, it's the same. It's the

1589
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 1: same thing. If you're gonna go, you've got to go

1590
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: like one hundred percent. And and it's the it's just

1591
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 1: that it's that quintessential gambler's mentality. If you're gonna go

1592
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 1: all in, it's a risk. It's an all in risk.

1593
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:07,759
Speaker 1: It's all or nothing. And that's why coaches are hesitant,

1594
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: hesitant to do it fully, fully do it start because

1595
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 1: it's not just going no huddle and using up the play.

1596
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 2: Clock, And it doesn't sound like these guys are going

1597
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 2: to use it unless it's an effective time at the

1598
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 2: right part, at the right location on the field.

1599
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 3: Sometimes with crowd noise being a.

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01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:25,799
Speaker 1: Fact, they'll mitigate that risk by being out in field position.

1601
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 1: So even if they do, they'll punt it away and

1602
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 1: they're not gonna pun it out of their own end

1603
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 1: and give them the ball with the forty. They're gonna

1604
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: give them the ball inside the twenty. That mitigates the

1605
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:36,560
Speaker 1: risk of coming off the field quick at least you

1606
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: give them the long way to go, But the time

1607
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 1: of possession is still a factor.

1608
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 2: We got to take a break here, but more of

1609
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 2: your phone calls when we return at eight oh three

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Speaker 2: five fifty one, eight eight eight five fifty two, five

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Speaker 2: point fifty when we get back here. On one Bill's

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1620
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1628
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Speaker 2: add Pro Sports. Back to the phones and to Mark

1629
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 2: in West Seneca, what do you got for us, Mark.

1630
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 10: Chris Steve Hope.

1631
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 2: Things are well, yeah, Yeah, we're hanging in there.

1632
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's good. That's good. I'm calling because of I

1633
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 10: just listened to Nannarlowski, who I respect his opinions immensely,

1634
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 10: obviously a brilliant football mind. A couple of things he

1635
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 10: said that as a Bills fan, concerned me first that

1636
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 10: the Bills don't seem to have a schematic identity. He

1637
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 10: also said that they seem to tend to run their

1638
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 10: offense based on players winning on their skills as opposed

1639
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 10: to helping them schematically and putting them over shop for

1640
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 10: even a better performance than what they're maybe possibly do

1641
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 10: on an even even one given play, and that there

1642
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 10: doesn't seem enough diversity in their formations. Now, these are

1643
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 10: all things as a Bills fan that I've heard other

1644
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 10: Bills fans complain about, have concerns about, and myself and

1645
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 10: as regular fans we can see this. I'm just wondering

1646
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 10: where we go now. I'm not proposing or professing firing

1647
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 10: Ken Dorsey in season. I think that they don't do that.

1648
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 10: You just don't do that. But if this offense can't

1649
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 10: get this offense moving and can't get us out of

1650
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,839
Speaker 10: these dol drums and start changing some of these issues

1651
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 10: as the season goes on, they're gonna have to look

1652
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 10: hard at where they're going next season. And one last

1653
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 10: comment about Dorsey. About two three weeks ago, there was

1654
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 10: a lot of talk about Josh under center, and I

1655
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 10: heard a reporter ask him a question in this press conference.

1656
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 10: He seems to be doing really well under that is

1657
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 10: that something that you might do predominantly in any one

1658
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 10: game based on the fact that it's working really well.

1659
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,839
Speaker 10: His answer, and I'm paraphrasing, was well, we would consider

1660
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 10: using it more, but we like to come back to

1661
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 10: the shotgun because we want balance, which sort of just

1662
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 10: took me back a little bit thinking in any given game,

1663
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 10: because something's working, aren't you gonna run that until they

1664
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 10: stop it? Because you're trying to win the game.

1665
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 2: On your last point, Mark, I will say, you have

1666
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,719
Speaker 2: to take some of their comments with a grain of salt.

1667
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 2: No other teams are listening, and so you try. And

1668
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 2: I've seen Buffalo's coordinators do this under coach McDermott, and

1669
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 2: I totally understand why it's a competitive advantage issue. And

1670
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 2: I think if he says, oh, yeah, we want to

1671
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 2: use as much of that as we can, I think

1672
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 2: he feels he's tipping his hand to opponents who are

1673
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 2: undoubtedly listening. And so sometimes some of the not all,

1674
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 2: some of the things they say you got to take

1675
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 2: with a grain of salt and realize that they know

1676
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 2: their comments are public. They're out there, they're on team websites,

1677
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 2: readily available for anybody to listen to, and so they

1678
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 2: have to couch their comments sometimes. So just be careful

1679
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:44,600
Speaker 2: with that aspect of it everything else. He said, I

1680
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 2: agree one hundred percent, which is why I asked Dan

1681
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 2: or LOPSI the questions that I did last segment, because

1682
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 2: I know those are the concerns of Bill's fans. So

1683
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 2: I tried to ask questions that they're asking us on Mondays.

1684
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 2: I ask him a Dan on Tuesdays because I know

1685
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 2: he watches the tape, and he gave you the answers

1686
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 2: that he did.

1687
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and you're right, there's a because we've seen

1688
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 1: this before last half of last year and through and

1689
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 1: though Brown and I would attribute it to much more

1690
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 1: than just you know, the players in the field and

1691
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, all the stuff that was going on

1692
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: the last month and a half of the season, and

1693
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 1: particularly the last month of the season, there was this

1694
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 1: thing where the offense kind of stagnated and after you know,

1695
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 1: that three week stretch this season between weeks two, three

1696
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 1: and four in weeks two, three and four when they

1697
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 1: were scoring thirty eight, thirty seven and forty eight points,

1698
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 1: you know, it seemed like, Okay, here we go, and

1699
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: then it kind of it kind of lulled there and

1700
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 1: now they've been going win loss, win loss, win loss.

1701
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:47,520
Speaker 1: You know, that's the kind of lull or lack of consistency,

1702
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 1: the kind of leads to think it was like last

1703
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: year where maybe it wasn't all the stuff that was

1704
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: going on off the field, around the team, outside the

1705
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 1: lines that was causing the problems. Maybe it was something

1706
01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 1: more internal and more schematic. So don't know if it's

1707
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 1: true or not, but it certainly it's got to pop

1708
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 1: up in the conversation because we're kind of sitting here

1709
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 1: in this win loss, win loss, win loss stretch of

1710
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 1: the season and you feel like something is just not clicking,

1711
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem complicated.

1712
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 2: No, So hopefully they find the answer sooner rather than later.

1713
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 2: Got a break here when we come back, there is

1714
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 2: quarterback news. Carson Wentz has landed somewhere. We'll tell you

1715
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 2: where when we come back, And what happens if the

1716
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 2: Patriots lose in Germany this week? Could it be the

1717
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 2: end of the Belichick era? There's a reporter in Boston

1718
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 2: who thinks it could happen. More on that when we

1719
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 2: return as well. Here on One Bill's Live.

1720
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Speaker 3: Stay tuned.

1721
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 2: All right, so them around the NFL tidbits here at

1722
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 2: the end of the show.

1723
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 3: ESPN's Adam Schefter.

1724
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 2: Is reporting that Carson Wentz is going to sign with

1725
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 2: the La Rams, which may speak more to the nature

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01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 2: of Matthew Stafford's thumb injury on his throwing hand than

1727
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 2: anything else going forward. The more interesting news Steve comes

1728
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 2: from the Boston Globe. Patriots owner Robert Kraft could move

1729
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 2: on from coach Bill Belichick if they lose in Germany

1730
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 2: to the Colts.

1731
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 3: According to the Boston Globe.

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01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 2: From the report, quote, based on my conversations, I don't

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01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 2: think it's one hundred percent that Belichick finishes out this season.

1734
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 2: If Belichick comes home from Germany with a two and

1735
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 2: eight record, I think there's a chance the Crafts could

1736
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 2: make the move in the bye week and install Gerrod Mayo,

1737
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 2: the de facto defensive coordinator, as the interim coach for

1738
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:48,799
Speaker 2: the final seven games.

1739
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: Well, there you go.

1740
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 2: Did you ever think you would see the day where

1741
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick would no longer be the coach of the Patriots,

1742
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,440
Speaker 2: not by his own choice?

1743
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: I did not. I did not. I never thought it

1744
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 1: would come to a point where Robert Kraft would make

1745
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: that trick, and he still hasn't. He may not this

1746
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: may this may be not true, But I never thought

1747
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: that would happen, that their relationship goes to go back

1748
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 1: too far. They've had too much success, and I thought

1749
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 1: it would be a place where Bill Belichick would end

1750
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 1: it on his own terms. But great players used to

1751
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 1: think this, Coaches think this. I deserve to go out

1752
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 1: on my own terms. That's true, but you gotta take

1753
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 1: the choice you got. You gotta leave because some of

1754
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 1: these guys say, I want to go out on my

1755
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 1: own choice, but they never leave. They're never gonna leave,

1756
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 1: and so it never seems to be the right choice.

1757
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 3: And all things must come to an end.

1758
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 2: As they say, it may be coming to an end

1759
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 2: sooner than Belichick would prefer.

1760
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see, But when I see.

1761
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 2: It, we're back tomorrow and we'll have you all filled

1762
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 2: in as we turn the page to the Broncos for

1763
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,120
Speaker 2: Monday Night Football next week.

1764
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:57,600
Speaker 3: We'll see it.

1765
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 1: What he ma