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Speaker 2: lets you look into what matters to players. They love athleticism.

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson is the voted the number one quarterback over

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Speaker 1: Bill's mind. Andy is not asking Patrick Mahomes, you know

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Speaker 1: He's He's a better player. Yeah, the Chiefs feared Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: They knew they could handle Lamar. Josh Allen has kind

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Speaker 2: Do you know the one position that they have asked

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Speaker 2: I mean he's one hundred and sixty pounds. I mean

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Speaker 1: team beat the Niners? And it was like, yeah, I

428
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Speaker 1: mean a lot of people would argue, I don't know,

429
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Speaker 1: they got about fifteen first rounders and this Niner team

430
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Speaker 1: struggled to win like four games, and Alex went there

431
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Speaker 1: and it was his career was an embarrassment, and then

432
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Speaker 1: he got real coaches and what happened? You're like, Alex,

433
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Speaker 1: it's pretty good. Yeah, it's and he's he's as mature

434
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Speaker 1: and smart of a quarterback that is coming to the

435
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Speaker 1: league last twenty five years. It is really really hard

436
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Speaker 1: to overcome negativity losing a coach who's not really comfortable.

437
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Speaker 1: So I guess that's a long winded way of saying,

438
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Speaker 1: like I I think it's so much easier when you're

439
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Speaker 1: When you're head coach, is the guy pulling the trigger

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Speaker 1: on the play call, he impacts the game. I'd never

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Speaker 1: quite understand, Like Sirianni, like, what really is he doing

442
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Speaker 1: on game?

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Speaker 4: Dad?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not calling a play, you know, toughness, Like is

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Speaker 1: he say this about Dan Campbell, Like obviously he's adding

446
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Speaker 1: an element of toughness to it.

447
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Speaker 2: Are both doing that? Yeah?

448
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in a different category. But there are some guys,

449
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Speaker 1: you know, is Dan Quinn calling the defense? Is Drive

450
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Speaker 1: Mail calling the defense? So they if they take that

451
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Speaker 1: part away. So it's why when Robert Sala gets the

452
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Speaker 1: Jets job, he immediately goes, I'm not gonna be the coordinator.

453
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Speaker 1: It's like, well, what the fucking I hire you for?

454
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Speaker 1: Just to give ross peaches. I mean, you've had two

455
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Speaker 1: good years as a coordinator and now you're giving up

456
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Speaker 1: the asset in which I hired you for. Part of

457
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Speaker 1: being the head coaches, you gotta lead, You got to

458
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Speaker 1: you gotta motivate, you gotta run practice and ideally call

459
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Speaker 1: one side of the ball. That's what all these coaches do.

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Speaker 1: There's a rare group of people. Harbaugh's a great example

461
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Speaker 1: who can dominate Bill Parcells. Most guys have to be

462
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Speaker 1: pretty hands on in this modern day of football, right

463
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Speaker 1: the games. This is not nineteen eighty seven where I

464
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Speaker 1: can win most of my games seventeen to thirteen. If

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Speaker 1: I got the toughest guys, I can beat the shit

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Speaker 1: out of you.

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Speaker 2: All right, Nick, Right, we haven't talked in a while,

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Speaker 2: so I thought this was here's an interesting topic, and

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Speaker 2: I bring this up because you're one of the bigger

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Speaker 2: NBA fans. Is that some things don't sound don't sound comforting,

487
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Speaker 2: and they may sound almost appalling, but they're true, and

488
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Speaker 2: that treating your employees and paying them more than they

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Speaker 2: deserve is really bad business. And that the reason the

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Speaker 2: NFL is king it's virtually impossible to find a bad

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Speaker 2: contract in the league. I can remember Albert Hainsworth for

492
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Speaker 2: about a year got paid a ton with the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: You remember it because it's so infrequent. It may be

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Speaker 2: the only bad contract for the Patriots. Every NBA team

495
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Speaker 2: has a terrible contract, some have three. You know, before

496
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Speaker 2: James Dolan got distracted by the Sphere, it was like

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Speaker 2: the half the contracts for the next were bad contracts.

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Speaker 2: Is that One of the reasons that the NFL is

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Speaker 2: king is because they have a weak union, And that

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Speaker 2: sounds terrible to say. Players have like Brandon Ayuk. They're like, no,

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Speaker 2: we're not going to cave. There's a bunch of good

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Speaker 2: receivers in next year's draft. We'll just go draft them. Now.

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Speaker 2: I think they want him. They're furious. They know that

504
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Speaker 2: the windows shrinking, their players are getting older. But I

505
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Speaker 2: think I've talked to a lot of guys in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: St Frank Vogel the other night at dinner. You know, La,

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Speaker 2: you see a lot of pro coaches, like especially where

508
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Speaker 2: I live. There all are in the beast communities, and

509
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Speaker 2: football coaches are happier. Basketball coaches are all miserable, even

510
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Speaker 2: the successful ones. And the reason being is they have

511
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Speaker 2: cost certainty, they have control. In the NFL, you can

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Speaker 2: be productive but you're a pain in the ass. I'm

513
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Speaker 2: moving off you. I mean, seven rounds of players half

514
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Speaker 2: the league's undrafted. In the NBA, after the fourteenth pick,

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Speaker 2: you run out of players. And this Brandon Ayuk situation

516
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Speaker 2: is interesting because in the NBA he would get paid

517
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Speaker 2: and he may go to coach fired. And in the

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Speaker 2: NFL they're like, now we got a bunch of good players.

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Speaker 2: Draft will give us nine receivers. We'll give you a number.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you didn't make like twenty three million.

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Speaker 1: You're not making thirty.

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Speaker 2: And I think it really so my point being is

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Speaker 2: it not giving the employee everything they want is why

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Speaker 2: the NFL succeeds. It forces players to get their shit together.

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Speaker 2: Like you don't get that nine year baseball contract. We're

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Speaker 2: like year four, five and six. You're like, I'm getting

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Speaker 2: my money. The union so strong and Brandon Ayuk, the

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Speaker 2: Niners are saying, take it or leave it? Well, take

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Speaker 2: it or leave it?

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Speaker 4: I actually I so I think I look at I

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Speaker 4: might I agree with some of what you're saying. I

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Speaker 4: wanted the well, yes, I'm definitely a union guy, But

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Speaker 4: I look at this. I look at the NBA and

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Speaker 4: the Ayuk thing, separately. So let me deal with the

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Speaker 4: NBA thing first. I actually think a huge part of

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Speaker 4: the issues that you're describing with the NBA are caused

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Speaker 4: by the individual player max. I think so many of

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Speaker 4: the if the NBA salary cap was one hundred and

539
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Speaker 4: fifty million, and if you wanted to give Joker one

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Speaker 4: hundred and forty of it, you could so many of these.

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Speaker 4: So many of the complaints of the NBA go away

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Speaker 4: for two reasons. One is one of the reasons NBA

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Speaker 4: guys get what I would call non contract benefits, which is,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to practice today, Let's not practice today

545
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Speaker 4: those types of things. Is because if you're artificially capping

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Speaker 4: what you can pay them and everyone can pay them

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Speaker 4: the same, you have to pay them elsewhere. You have

548
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Speaker 4: to be like, Okay, you're actually worth one hundred million

549
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Speaker 4: a year, I can only pay you fifty so, and

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Speaker 4: everyone can pay you fifty so, therefore we have to

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Speaker 4: give you these fringe benefits like you know what they

552
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Speaker 4: give college football coaches, country club memberships, whatever, in order

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Speaker 4: to make up that delta. The other thing the individual

554
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Speaker 4: player cap does is it makes it to where the

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Speaker 4: middle class NBA is wildly overpaid, and that's what fans.

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Speaker 4: People think fans are gonna get pissed when NBA guys

557
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Speaker 4: are making a million a game. They're not. They're not

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Speaker 4: going to be mad when Jason Tatum, who's the best

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Speaker 4: player on a champion, makes a million a game. Not

560
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Speaker 4: more mad than there are right now when he makes

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Speaker 4: half a million a game. Where people will get mad

562
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Speaker 4: is when they got mad at Tobias Harris. They're like, wait,

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Speaker 4: you're the sixty third best player in the league and

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Speaker 4: you're making thirty million a year. But that exists because

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Speaker 4: of the individual player max. So that's the first that's

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Speaker 4: the NBA part. In my opinion. The Ayuk thing. What

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Speaker 4: I think is fascinating about Ayuk is people are wondering,

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Speaker 4: why are the Niners gonna cave? Why are the Niners

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Speaker 4: who are gonna get nothing backup substance for this season

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Speaker 4: when they've got to win, when it's the last year theoretically,

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Speaker 4: when perty's cheap, when Trent's thirty six million, why are

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Speaker 4: they going to cave and trade him at an inopportune time?

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Speaker 4: And I said it on the show today, and I

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Speaker 4: think it's I think people, I think this will resonate

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Speaker 4: with people if they think not of NFL teams but

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Speaker 4: of their own workplace, which is it is the leverage

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Speaker 4: a Ukaz is I can make it miserable here and

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Speaker 4: people don't think about that. Think about any workplace you've

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Speaker 4: been in where someone who's important and unfireable or ish

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Speaker 4: comes in has a bad attitude. Is shit talking other

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Speaker 4: people is bringing the morale? Like bringing every room they

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Speaker 4: walk you, they walk into you like, oh that kills

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Speaker 4: the vibe, that kills working anywhere. And I think that

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Speaker 4: is oddly the leverage au Caz. The leverage i ukaz

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Speaker 4: is this can be miserable guys, and if people doubt

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Speaker 4: how much of an impact that can have. Read the

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Speaker 4: ESPN article today on what happened to the Eagles. Eagles

588
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: were ten and one, they had won like twenty three

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Speaker 4: of twenty five games. Yeah, went to Super Bowl, did

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Speaker 4: all that, and then what happened to him? Well it

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Speaker 4: seems like the coach and the quarterback couldn't be in

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Speaker 4: a room one on one together and the whole thing collapsed.

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Speaker 4: So I think, oddly, the leverage I you has, or

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Speaker 4: any of these guys have, is I can be a

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Speaker 4: dick and I can make team meetings and the locker

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Speaker 4: room suck. And you if I'm too good to cut,

597
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Speaker 4: what are you going to do?

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Speaker 2: So I had an I had a couple of Olympic

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Speaker 2: team rants today and I said one of the things

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Speaker 2: I said with KD, I said, actually being the all

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Speaker 2: time leading scorer cements his legacy. So KD is salt

602
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Speaker 2: to a chef. He makes everything better, eggs, carmel. It

603
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Speaker 2: doesn't matter. You put him on any team to the finals.

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Speaker 2: With Westbrook, Lebron couldn't decode Westbrook right. He made the

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Speaker 2: Warriors the best team arguably ever. Even in Brooklyn. He

606
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Speaker 2: was outstanding the fact that his teammate wouldn't get the vaccine.

607
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: There's only so much you can do. So and then

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Speaker 2: you put him on this team, And I said, if

609
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Speaker 2: you look at even great players, you put Tatum around

610
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Speaker 2: great players, he kind of shrinks, Steph has to adjust

611
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Speaker 2: Embiid clogs it. Lebron takes a leadership role but won't

612
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Speaker 2: score as much. KD works everywhere. Now as long as

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Speaker 2: you don't ask him to lead, don't ask him to

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Speaker 2: do that, just ask him to fit. He is the

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Speaker 2: salt to the chef. Oh We've got it. Everything will

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Speaker 2: taste great tonight. So that is that's go ahead, finish. Sorry.

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Speaker 2: So it's perfect that he on a collection of the

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Speaker 2: world's best players that thirty years from now in a bar,

619
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Speaker 2: you'll be like, who's the leading scorer?

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Speaker 4: Jordan?

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Speaker 2: No, well Curry not even close? Lebron No, not close. Okay,

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Speaker 2: what time out? Let me think, was it Let's go

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Speaker 2: back to the Olympics, was it Bill Bradley will no, no, no,

624
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Speaker 2: it's Kevin Durant, And you'll be like, the fuck.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It is like because when you ask players. Mark Fus,

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Speaker 2: a buddy of mine, he coaches the Olympics assistant years ago.

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Speaker 2: I said, I just asked him, like, like, tell me

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Speaker 2: one thing that's just crazy about coaching the Olympics, and

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Speaker 2: he just went, Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 1: Man, that's all he said.

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Speaker 2: Right, So the.

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Speaker 4: He is probably if you take the this is something

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Speaker 4: Brew hasn't said this exact thing, but he's basically said

635
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Speaker 4: a different version of it, and I think he's right.

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Speaker 4: Take the twenty greatest players ever, he's somewhere on the

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Speaker 4: close to twenty, but on there, yeah, there is not

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Speaker 4: a single one of them that you can simply drop

639
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Speaker 4: on every great team in NBA history, and it definitely

640
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Speaker 4: works other than Dura. Like, I totally totally agree. It

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Speaker 4: does not matter the era, the rules, what what redundancy,

642
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Speaker 4: they already have anything. Drop him on any great team

643
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Speaker 4: and it works no great And so that is and

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Speaker 4: your point is, I think if if Kevin heard this,

645
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 4: he would say, that's what I've been saying, which is,

646
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Speaker 4: I don't want to be the leader. When I'm asked

647
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 4: about leadership, I'm like, that's the coach's shop.

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00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: You know.

649
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 4: What I want to do is play basketball. And you

650
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 4: know what everyone seems to say, say, I'm awesome at

651
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 4: playing basketball, and you guys tar me, I think, again,

652
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 4: this is what I think Kevin would say with I'm

653
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 4: a bad leader, but luckily my job is basketball player,

654
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 4: not leader, so fuck off. Like I think that's what

655
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 4: he's say And it's like, it's not a terrible argument

656
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 4: except for the fact that it seems like the other

657
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 4: guys in that room of greatness are kind of able

658
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 4: to multitask it or have somebody alongside him who's also great,

659
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 4: who can do it for him. And so it is

660
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 4: it is such a unique thing because I do think

661
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 4: I do think Durant is I've told you this on

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00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 4: the podcast before, but I'll say it again. I had

663
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 4: somebody who is super close with one of the greatest

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00:35:54,600 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 4: players ever and it's not Durant. Say if you if

665
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 4: we were to line the twenty greatest players up and

666
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 4: they're all at their peak on a black tip and

667
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 4: ask someone who didn't know about resumes or anything whatever,

668
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 4: who they wanted who they think the best guy is,

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Speaker 4: and you described it's like, Okay, the points at Michael

670
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 4: Jordan and it's like, all right, tell me about that guy.

671
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 4: It's like, well, he's average size, amazing athlete, good not

672
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 4: great shooter, crazy, crazy competitor. They'd be like, okay, next

673
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 4: to point it shit. I mean, the most dominant physical

674
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 4: force is you know, gonna come and go with effort,

675
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 4: is going to be a liability at the free throw line,

676
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 4: but is going to give you a guaranteed thirty Okay, Nora.

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Speaker 4: They pointed Lebron all right, not the best shooter in

678
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 4: the room, not the best dribbler, probably the best passer,

679
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 4: and is probably the best athlete. Okay, what about that guy, oh, Durant, Well,

680
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 4: he's the second tallest person here. He's also the second

681
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 4: best shooter. He's also the fourth best dribbler. He also

682
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 4: can pass, he can defend, and they'd be like, well,

683
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 4: I'm fucking taking him. They're like, wait, he's the second

684
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,959
Speaker 4: tallest and the second best shooter. They're like, oh, yeah,

685
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 4: he can do that. Is he durable? Well, he's gonna

686
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 4: play twenty years, like the can't. Is he a terrible defender?

687
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 1: No, he can.

688
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 4: He can, you know, credibly guard a bunch of response.

689
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 4: But despite that, he's probably kind of underachieved. And I like, so,

690
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 4: I like all of those things are true, and it's

691
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 4: because of that leadership component that he has been honest about, like,

692
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 4: I don't think that's my job, so I'm not going

693
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 4: to do it. And I think it's fascinating because when

694
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 4: he looks best around the best, and then other guys

695
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 4: when they're around the best, you're like, oh, you're a

696
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 4: grade lower, like Tatum. Tatum's around the best, and it's like, oh,

697
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 4: you're just a grade lower. Durant's around the best, and

698
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 4: you're like, are you the best player alive? Like it's

699
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 4: such a fascinating thing.

700
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Speaker 2: Yeah no. And I think somebody said this once that

701
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: the greatest athletes. You wouldn't really want them to be

702
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: your boss because they have such bad personal tendencies. They're

703
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: very selfish, they're relentless, they're harsh. I mean, Jordan could

704
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: be just not just not a giver, a taker. Same

705
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: with the Lake Kobe Bryant. But Kevin Durant actually would

706
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: be a fun hang like he would be you could

707
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: do eighty two games and it'd be like he'd get

708
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: a drink with you, you know, they're you would just

709
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: he would make you laugh when you were having a

710
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: bad day. He'd put his arm around you and goes, okay, bro,

711
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: let's just go HP.

712
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 4: I totally agree with this, I and I it's one

713
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 4: of the I've tried kind of I don't want to

714
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 4: say behind the scenes, but I know some people that

715
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 4: are tight with Kevin and listen, at one point, I

716
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 4: you know, I know, I know definitively that Kevin, you know,

717
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 4: thought I was one of the people's kind of a

718
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 4: problem with the media, and that's like, that's his right,

719
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 4: that's fine. But I have tried to kind of throw

720
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 4: back channels like political stuff, like try to set up

721
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 4: a situation where he and I could sit and talk

722
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 4: basketball or sit and talk, because over the last four years,

723
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: I have grown to have such affection, if you will,

724
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 4: for kind of just how comfortable he is in his

725
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 4: own skin, like the he's gone a long way from

726
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: the burners and all that stuff. It's like, nah, if

727
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 4: I think you're full of shit on the Internet, I'm

728
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 4: gonna tell you. Like I thought it was hilarious that

729
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 4: like a couple of days into the Olympics, on and

730
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 4: off he was arguing with strangers on the internet on Twitter.

731
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 4: It's like, dude, you're you got half a billion dollars

732
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 4: your single, You're wildly famous in the Olympic village in Paris,

733
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 4: and you're like, I got to get these tweets off, man,

734
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 4: I don't care. I'm gonna sit here and argue with

735
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 4: you guys about basketball. And I was like, I just

736
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 4: I found it charming. And I also think he has

737
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 4: such an immense respect for the game itself that I

738
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 4: really like. So I like Durant. I really like Durant,

739
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 4: And I do I agree with you like he would.

740
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 4: I do think he'd be a great guy to be,

741
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 4: you know, to be on a team with. And I

742
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 4: do think he'd be of all the superstars one of

743
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: the best hangs and that's also it's also probably helpful.

744
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 4: He's one of the only superstars of that level that's

745
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 4: still like a single guy, like hanging out with the

746
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: fellas like Steph and Lebron. Everybody's married with kids. Durance

747
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 4: is like, Nah, I'm gonna play video games, smoke a

748
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 4: little weed and play basketball. Like I don't know about

749
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 4: you guys. Spell them a life man.

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