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This 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: is Get. 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: Real with your host David. 14 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: De Rochers, and it starts right now. 15 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: Welcome to Get Real. I'm David de Rocher, the publisher 16 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: of Real Clear Media Group. Why am I doing this 17 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: because I don't think we the people are doing well. 18 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: I find when we look at the American mind, we're 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: hopelessly divided between right and left and we're not getting better. 20 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: So the of Get Real is to move us in 21 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 2: this position. What was the opportunity that created this show 22 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 2: for me? I wrote a piece called Proved Charlie Wright, 23 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: you know, that caught mister Siggs's attention, and then we 24 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: went in and we had a couple of conversations and 25 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: then out of this came the show. But you know, 26 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: I didn't really get a true sense of Charlie. You know, 27 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: until he was dead and we looked at he was 28 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:28,919 Speaker 2: the connective tissue for everybody who really mattered in our politics. 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: You know, he was the waterfront connector between the folks 30 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: that were running our country, and he ennobled them. You know, 31 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: I would describe Charlie as the unum that connected the 32 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: kind of pluribis of American politics, the Maga, the America 33 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: first and like the Boomer Republicanism. He was the unham 34 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: that connected the pluribis. But also Charlie's death, you know, 35 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: before he died, I got a sense of his importance, 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: very upfront and personal. When I was sitting with my 37 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: eighteen year old nephew was headed off to college over 38 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 2: the summer. He had a principal death debth civic knowledge 39 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: in judgment. That was a pleasant surprise, and I asked, 40 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: what happened to you? I said, I really liked this 41 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: man before me, and he just responded quite naturally. I 42 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: followed Charlie Kirk. I watched his show on RAV. I 43 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: taken all you know. I watch him on Instagram, and 44 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: so doesn't my dad, and we talk about it. I 45 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: walked into Rave with a good opinion of the place. 46 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: After a couple of conversations with mister Sigg, he asked 47 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: what type of show I'd like to do, and I 48 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 2: set a show built on viewpoint diversity, which is real 49 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: clear as both sides method. He was keen on the idea, 50 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: and the idea of Get Real was born. What's the 51 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: soul of the show? I set out at the outset 52 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: that I don't think the American mind as well. Our 53 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: two hundred and fiftieth birthday is fast approaching and we're 54 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: not doing well. The American mind is dangerously divided. In 55 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: a healthy politics, the differences between the partisans are of 56 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: degree and not kind, and an unhealthy politics the differences 57 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 2: of time. I don't know about you, but I think 58 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: we're living in unhealthy times. With Get Real, what do 59 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: I want to accomplish. I want to actually have a 60 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: show where the differences are of degree, and I think 61 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: that if we have such conversations, we'll actually bridge the 62 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: divide that's before us. 63 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 4: You know. 64 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: I think it's a lost and needed art, but also 65 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: a path to survival. So now let's get real. Joining 66 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: me now are some of the great journalists and thinkers 67 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: on my left, Joel Cotkin is America's premier demographer right. 68 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: If you want to get a sense of ideas and 69 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: their democratic consequences, Joel is the best. He's the author 70 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: of The Coming Neo Feudalism, a must read book. Will 71 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: Marshall as president Progressive Policy Institute, and in my modest opinion, 72 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: he's one of liberalism's best policy wongs. Will was the 73 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: architect of Clinton's democratic centrism. What I like about Will 74 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: is that he's a liberal that does not get on 75 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 2: the wrong side of twenty eighty twenty issues. I'm sorry, 76 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: real clear star reporter an author of Fools Go, Susan 77 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: Crabtree is here today. Susan's work on the secret Service 78 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: in the fu bar that happened at Butler, Pennsylvania is 79 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: deserving of the Pulitzer. However, Susan didn't get a Pulitzer, 80 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,559 Speaker 2: but she did get the Dow Prize for her standout work. 81 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: I should note that Fools Gold has afforded by Peter Schweitzer, 82 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: who's also out there pushing a very important book, The 83 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 2: Invisible Coup. I think there should be a bundle in 84 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: because both are both are installments of good sense that 85 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 2: make us think outside of our paragragms. Draquez is a 86 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 2: weekly columnist at USA Today and a staple and Real 87 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: Clears roundup of the best from both sides. Welcome all, 88 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: Thanks for having us. I'd like to kick off our 89 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: conversation with reading the first line of a recent Vogue 90 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: article where a governor in Kneepan got a knee pad reception. 91 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: Here it is, I'll try to accentuate it. Let's get 92 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: this out of the way. He's embarrassingly handsome. He's heir 93 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 2: seasoned with silver, at ease with his own eminence as 94 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 2: he delivers his final State of the State address. That's 95 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: a lot. The golden boy of the Golden State got 96 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: a Kendall President makeover. Susan, you wrote a book on 97 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 2: California fools gold. Does this accounting of Governor Newsom as 98 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: this technocratic details German guy fit with your own understanding 99 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: of the man. 100 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 5: Absolutely not. I don't think you'll be surprised by my commentary. 101 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 5: The line that the line that I was focused in 102 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 5: on was that this author says he was raised by 103 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 5: a single mom who told down two or three jobs, 104 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 5: and he had to be the man of the house 105 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 5: in a way and people assume knew some comes from 106 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 5: money he doesn't access. Yes, privilege, yes, money, No, nothing 107 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 5: could be further from the truth. From the year I 108 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 5: spent researching this book with Peter Schweizer's top research director 109 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 5: as well, there's this story about that he was raised 110 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 5: by a single mom. Now that is true, that part 111 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 5: of the sentence is true. But his dad was fired 112 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 5: from a tech company. But he was put on that 113 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 5: tech company by the Getties. And the Getties of course J. 114 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 5: Paul Getty was one of the richest men in the 115 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 5: world in his time. And we're talking big oil money. 116 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 5: So it's very ironic too, because all of this cap 117 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 5: and trade, all of these limits on emissions in California 118 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 5: fly in the face of where Gavin Newsom got his 119 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 5: start and all of his money in his wine business. 120 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 5: So his dad was appointed by a judge to a 121 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 5: judgeship by Jerry Brown Senior, the governor. There's two, of course, 122 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 5: Jerry Brown's the senior and the junior. He was appointed 123 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 5: by the senior who was friends with his father, and 124 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 5: so was he not making child support payments or did 125 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 5: his mother have to choose to live in a very 126 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 5: expensive house in San Francisco that she couldn't afford with 127 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 5: the childcare payments and that's why they had to take 128 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 5: in foster kids. But I have a recent story out 129 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 5: that shows that he had both. He had a rolodex 130 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 5: and he was running around in a poor che at 131 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 5: Santa Clara in a very interesting way. That he got 132 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 5: into that school on a so called baseball scholarship. It's 133 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 5: all in my book, So I would you know, I 134 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 5: would love for you to check it out Fool's Gold. 135 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 5: But yeah, this story has so many holes in it 136 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 5: and they just spot it hook line and sinker this author. 137 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: Joe, you're too a resident of California. Who is Gavin? 138 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: To you? Is Gavin a neo feudalist governor? And what 139 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: should we expect if he actually runs and wins? 140 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 6: Well, I think he's the epitome of neo feudalism in 141 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 6: many ways. I mean his during his time in office, 142 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 6: he basically has presided and accelerated a tremendous class divide 143 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 6: in California. Basically, California has become increasingly unequal, dominated by 144 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 6: a very few number of mostly tech some other executives. 145 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 6: He basically he has created an economy which basically created 146 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 6: one of the fewest percentage wise fewest jobs that are 147 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 6: awkwardly mobile. California has bifurcated under Newsom between an extraordinarily 148 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 6: wealthy group at the top and a very large group 149 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 6: of people at the bottom who aren't doing well. And 150 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 6: of course, under Newsome, California has had massive outmigration, which 151 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 6: you know, anyone who's familiar with California should know this. 152 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 6: You know, it's as good a place as there is 153 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 6: anywhere in the world weatherwise in terms of scenery, but 154 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 6: conditions are so tough, particularly for working class and middle 155 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 6: class younger people, who are the very group that I'm 156 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 6: sure he's going to try to appeal to with affordability, 157 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 6: which actually should just bring some laughs. But you know, 158 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 6: you don't expect progressive journalists in New York to bother. 159 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 7: With the facts. 160 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 2: Ingrid, what do you see is seeing Newsom in a 161 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: lane that he's taken. What I mean specifically, is he's 162 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: taken this stance where he's like, I'm going to take 163 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: on Trump persona, but he's not going to be running 164 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: against Trump. I mean, how do you think that Newsom 165 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: will do against the two front runners? Either JD Vance 166 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: or Marco. 167 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 8: Well, I think that's a great question, and Susan and 168 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 8: Joel laid out some really interesting facts about what's going on, 169 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 8: and I would just say Vogue might think that Newsom 170 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 8: is embarrassingly handsome, but I think it's more embarrassing the 171 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 8: policies that he's presided over in his state. And no 172 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 8: matter who he ends up running against in twenty twenty eight, 173 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 8: they're going to be bringing up the record of California. 174 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 8: How many people are leaving the state, how many businesses 175 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 8: or leaving the state. The Tax Foundation just came up 176 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 8: out with its list of the worst states for taxes, 177 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 8: and of course California is one of the worst of 178 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 8: the worst. So I think that his record speaks for itself. 179 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 8: From a high taxation, raising the minimum wage, leading to 180 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 8: the closure of a lot of fast food businesses, it's 181 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 8: all there. So he may be handsome, but he doesn't 182 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 8: have a lot else going for him. 183 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: Well, it's your turn. The one good policy stance reported 184 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: in the Vogue puff piece was Newsome's opposition to the 185 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: five percent billionaire wealth tax. It appears that the Golden 186 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 2: State's overpaid unions and its gig economy serfs want to 187 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 2: kill the golden goose to the golden state. What policy 188 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: advice platform would you give this empty vessel of ambition? 189 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 4: Thanks, thank you for that, Chrish David. 190 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 2: We need to take your time to answer. 191 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 9: I'm cutting it away so I don't have bio bits 192 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 9: about Gavin to tell you about, but I will probably 193 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 9: surprise you. 194 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 4: You called me a centrist. 195 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 9: I usually don't answer to that, but I get it why, 196 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 9: you know, But I like Gavin. I met him when 197 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 9: he was newly elected mayor of San Francisco, and he 198 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 9: regaled me with hilarious stories of looney leftism in the city, 199 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 9: which he had to combat day in and day out, 200 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 9: but he did it with a lot of wit, style 201 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 9: and grace managed to get through. And I think what 202 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 9: Gavin did after that was to move the state Calififornia 203 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 9: in this you know, in this century, has been like 204 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 9: a microcosm of a Democratic party with young millennials basically, 205 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 9: who are much more liberal than the previous generations of Democrats, 206 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 9: pushing the politics leftwards everywhere, but probably California more than 207 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 9: any place else. Having said that, and you know, I 208 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 9: could criticize and have criticized californ in his energy policies 209 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 9: and high tax policies. 210 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 4: I think there's. 211 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 9: Uh, there's a you know, there's a lot to answer 212 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 9: for in the blue state model. 213 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 4: That's as as existed there. 214 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 9: But just to assess Gavin as a political player, which 215 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 9: I think is what you're asking, I think he is. 216 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 4: First of all, he's he has a walk. 217 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 9: He may surprise you to know he does think about 218 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 9: the substance of issues. I know because I've had debates 219 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 9: and conversations, in depth conversations with him. He's got reminds 220 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 9: me of Bill Clinton, uh in that way where he 221 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 9: likes to try to penetrate to the essence of something before. 222 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 4: Rushing the judgment. 223 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 9: And it's sort of showed that in being against the 224 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 9: being against the billionaire's text. 225 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 4: I think because he's just dumb policy uh and uh 226 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 4: and and I don't but I don't think it's an ideologue. 227 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 9: You know, he is a comment accommodated himself to the 228 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 9: changing uh political culture of California, uh in a way 229 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 9: that lots of politicians do when they run and win 230 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 9: high office in the States. But I think he has 231 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 9: in the article, This article I don't think you all 232 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 9: like very much, did make the point that he has 233 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 9: lots of the room from maneuver, and I think that's 234 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 9: true Nationally. He's well known in California, not particularly well 235 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 9: known elsewhere, and he has a lot of political skill. 236 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 9: He is the foremost troller of Trump and Maga world. 237 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 9: He is, and he delights Democrats with that. And he's 238 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 9: just yeah, he's combative when he needs to be, stands up, 239 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 9: doesn't get pushed around, fights back, whether he in his 240 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 9: state or in the cross hairs of this president. And 241 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 9: so I think people, I think he rightly enjoys the 242 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 9: reputation of probably the front runner in this race. Now 243 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 9: there really isn't a race yet. It's way too early 244 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 9: to speculate speculated about twenty eight. But he's certainly going 245 00:14:54,920 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 9: to have a lot of assets that other Democrats don't show. 246 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 4: But a big one is his personality. 247 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 9: He is charismatic, he's good with people, he's smart, and 248 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 9: I think. 249 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: As they say, we're I think a personality goes a 250 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: long way. We'll see, guys, stand by, Get Real will 251 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: be right back. 252 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, We'll be right back with more. 253 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 3: Welcome back to get Real, brought to you by Real 254 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 3: Clear Politics and Reel America's Voice. 255 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Get Real. I'm David Roger, publisher of 256 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: Real Clear Media Group and the host of Get Real. 257 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: We're talking the state of the State about California and 258 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom effect. Joining me is Joel Coogan, demographer the Stars, 259 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: an author of the coming Neo Feudalism. Will Marshall, President 260 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: of the Progressive Policy Anditute, thanks for hanging through the break. 261 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: I'd also like to welcome back Susan Crabtree, my favorite 262 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: person at Real Clear Politics and the favorite of Real 263 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: Clear Politics editor Ingrid Jacaz. Thank you both all for 264 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: coming back. I'd like to pick up where we were 265 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: with Will. I get that he has the quintessential talents 266 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: to be a modern politician, But I mean, I think 267 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: you're a way doing a tour right now where you're 268 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: talking to all the folks out there about what is 269 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: the winning formula for the up and coming midterms in 270 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: the election. Could you actually speak to what you think 271 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: to be kind of, you know, the pathway for you know, 272 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 2: democratic victory in the midterms, but also for Gavin as 273 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: president or any president that would actually come forward. 274 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 9: Yeah, well it's a big question, but let me offer 275 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 9: a few thoughts about it. First, we you know, we 276 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 9: we've studied the polling, we've studied the. 277 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 4: The election results. 278 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 9: We think that it's very clear and there's no longer 279 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 9: much debate about it, that the fundamental problem for the 280 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 9: Democratic Party is the estrangement of non college educated voters, 281 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 9: not as working class voters used to be the mainstay 282 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 9: of the old FDR New Deal coalition, and getting those 283 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 9: voters back is absolutely essential, you know that, Which means 284 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 9: we need to have a party that adopts a kind 285 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 9: of a more moderate position on the cultural issues immigration, crime, 286 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 9: the whole complex of identitarian race, gender, ethnicity questions. I 287 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 9: think we need a smarter approach on energy and climate 288 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 9: than the party has been pursuing in recent years. And 289 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 9: we need a different economic offer to work in class 290 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 9: Americans who feel like the party has been catering to 291 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 9: well educated elites and not them. 292 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 4: They fill that with a lot of justice. 293 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 9: So we're making the arguments to Democrats that we need 294 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 9: to come up with new ideas. Highlight leaders around the 295 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 9: country like Gretchen Whitmer and Michigan and Elisa Slutkin and 296 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 9: others here who are winning working class voters and governing 297 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 9: successfully and winning elections and governing successfully in the state 298 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 9: the Trump won twice. 299 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: Joe, what do you think the prospects of the of 300 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: really the Democrats that pull you know, up from like 301 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 2: the you know, the crash and the trajectory towards like 302 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: the failure that I think that the progressive folks that 303 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 2: determine who wins the primaries, who actually gets to be president, 304 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 2: is what Will's proposing possible under the current structure, or 305 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: are we going to see another progressive candidate who will 306 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: Will Will have to fail in order to even run well. 307 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 6: I think that I think that Newsom is you know, 308 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 6: he is very nimble. I'll give him that. I think 309 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 6: he has a real problem, which is the party is 310 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 6: moving to a you know, very far left position, particularly 311 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 6: on things like redistribution of income, which may have some appeal. 312 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 6: Newsom is uncomfortable with that because a he has always 313 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 6: been backed by the wealthy people in the Bay Area. 314 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 6: That's that's his base, always has been his base, and 315 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 6: his policies have been terrible for middle and working class 316 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 6: people in California. But he's going to so he's going 317 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 6: to have to try to figure out some way to 318 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 6: distinguish himself, not just from Trump, but also from the 319 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 6: left wing of his own party. I think it's going 320 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 6: to be very difficult. One of the things is if 321 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 6: you have did any research on Newsom, but you'll find this, 322 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 6: He's been in anything that was the popular thing at 323 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 6: the time, whether it was like Black Lives Matter, you know, 324 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 6: anti racism then he was anti sexism then you know. 325 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 6: And of course now he'll go after DEI so I think, 326 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 6: and obviously over Ice he continually follows States. And one 327 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 6: thing I'll say, and I agree with Will on this 328 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 6: from people I know who've worked with him, he is 329 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 6: much smarter than many people would suggest. 330 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 7: He's much more flexible. 331 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 6: The problem he's going to have is if he faces 332 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 6: a Bernie Sanders kind of candidate or a real moderate candidate, 333 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 6: he's going to have a hard time if those came in. 334 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 6: If it's just a race against a AOC type, I 335 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 6: think I think he wins, and I think he also 336 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 6: wins in twenty eight because the Republicans are the best 337 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 6: friends the Democrats ever had. 338 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: Well, I'd like to put it to Susan and Ingrid, 339 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: it's that one of the questions that I had at 340 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 2: last blonk is that he's going to have to be 341 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 2: running He's not going to be running against Donald Trump. 342 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 2: He's going to be running, you know, against probably jd 343 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 2: vance Er, Marco Rubio, and I while I well, when 344 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: I look at him, I just think he's a younger, 345 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 2: you know, kind of handsome centrist without a center where 346 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: you could put in in poor in just like they 347 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: did with Joe Biden. But I really, I really don't 348 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: think that we're plugging in the fact that, you know, 349 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: his whole narrative is running against Trump. But when he 350 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 2: runs for president, or anybody's going to be running for president, 351 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: they're going to be running against like two very articulate 352 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 2: candidates who I don't know if this handsome man with 353 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: silver hair and a possessed gate can really kind of 354 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 2: stand up to the people that he's going to have 355 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: to go against. 356 00:21:55,320 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 5: What say you, Susan, This this idea that he is sorry, 357 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 5: this idea that he is in any way, shape or 358 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 5: form a moderate centrist, is absolutely false. Kamala Harris and 359 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 5: he have a lot in common. They have the same 360 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 5: mentor in Willie Brown. He owes his career to Willie 361 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 5: Brown and actually had a fundraiser for him at the 362 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 5: Balboa Cafe, which he owned. That's how he basically with 363 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 5: his dad's connections and the Getty's connections got to where 364 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 5: the appointment that led to him being mayor of San Francisco. 365 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 5: He has the same exact issues that Kamala Harris. There 366 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 5: was a big problem with her when she when it 367 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 5: came out that she had sex change operations. She was 368 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 5: the proponent, the leading proponent of that in the prisons 369 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 5: in California pristance. 370 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 4: Oh. 371 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 5: He supported that the entire time and he has it 372 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 5: was his education department that was responsible for this idea 373 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 5: that you or teachers could have a grand or transition 374 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 5: could be having your children at school be gender transitioning 375 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 5: without parents' knowledge, and it was illegal and they put 376 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 5: out the Department of Education put out the guidance and 377 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 5: he backed them in this to say, the administrators and 378 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 5: teachers can't tell the parents that their kid is gender 379 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 5: transitioning at school. His wife, Jennifer Siebel Newsom, made documentaries 380 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 5: that were fueled by PG and E, which started many 381 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 5: deadly fires in California. They financed it and her documentary films. 382 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 5: One of them was The Mask You Live In And 383 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 5: It's about you know, masculinity, toxic masculinity. Basically it was 384 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 5: what the film's about. And he also has another one 385 00:23:54,280 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 5: where she has about trans issues and LGBT plus issues, 386 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 5: where there's a gender bred man person basically curriculum. So 387 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 5: this idea that he's moving to the center, that he 388 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 5: wants to talk to Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro, that 389 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 5: is all performative. What can Gavin Newsome cite as his 390 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 5: major accomplishment for California during his tenures? You have these terrible, 391 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 5: deadly wildfires that you know, we're basically because of mismanagement 392 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 5: and the utilities that he takes donations from. You've had 393 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 5: the worst insurance rates in the country, the highest energy rates, 394 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 5: the highest taxes, the the worst standing in education, highest 395 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 5: poverty rates in the country. I mean, this is not 396 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 5: a record that is going to boost him. It's all 397 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 5: performative with Gavin. It's all about his SOT style, no substance, 398 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 5: and I guess that's what the Democrats are embracing right 399 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 5: now because he's leading in the So you know, he's 400 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 5: going to have a really hard time in the general 401 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 5: coming from a failed state of California, having nothing to 402 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 5: cite as a success. Even his signature homelessness program care course. 403 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 5: He's all turned in the last two years. He keeps 404 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 5: trying to modify his positions. He's finally gotten away from 405 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 5: this housing first position that he's had since mayor of 406 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 5: San Francisco. 407 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 4: But he. 408 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 5: Has his care courts where he's dealing with addiction and 409 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 5: mental health finally in the last year. But it has 410 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 5: had a terrible record. They spent six billion dollars on 411 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 5: that and like twenty two people have been helped. You 412 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 5: have this terrible fraud issue in California, and now jd Vance, 413 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 5: who's obviously going to probably be head to head with 414 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 5: him at some point, is going to lead up the fraud. 415 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 5: The fraud in California is estimated to be two hundred 416 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 5: and fifty billion, and it's coming out every day more 417 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 5: and more in California. I just you know, I'm living 418 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 5: proof that my parents were upper middle class in California. 419 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 5: My dad is Air Force, my mom was a teacher, 420 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 5: and they did very well in the eighties in California 421 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 5: in the Reagan era. And you know, now it's very, 422 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 5: very difficult to buy a house. Houses just gone up astronomically, 423 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 5: in the lat since COVID. I just I just don't 424 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 5: see what he runs on other than performance. 425 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 2: Well, guys, stand by Get Real. We'll be right back 426 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: and Ingrid, You'll be at the top. Thank you, don't 427 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: go anywhere. 428 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more. 429 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Get Real, brought you by Real Clear Politics, 430 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: Everyel America's voice. 431 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 2: And you know we're a believer in choice. Choice. The 432 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: other folks don't believe in choice. And choice is a 433 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 2: great civil rights issue and maybe the great one of 434 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 2: our times. President Trump made that promise five years ago 435 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: and is now becoming a reality. Welcome back to Get Real. 436 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 2: I'm David de Rocher. Let's talk education. My read on 437 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 2: americans educational system is that it's a mess from pre 438 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 2: K to PhD. Once upon a time when it worked, 439 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: when I worked at the Manhattan Institute, we add experts 440 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: from prisons in And he was asked by someone during 441 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 2: the question and answer like, how do you determine how 442 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: many prison beds to build? Right? And the guy, without 443 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 2: missing a beat, looked at you know, the audience, and said, 444 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 2: we look at the number of kids that flunked the 445 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 2: third grade reading exam, and then we build off of that. 446 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 2: You know, you know, by the time you know a 447 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 2: child is eight or nine years old, it's bed is 448 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: built with him in mind or her in mind, mostly him, 449 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 2: instead of teaching Johnny and Sally, you know, the three 450 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 2: hours so they have the tools to think for themselves. 451 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: Too many appear to be singularly concerned with what children 452 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 2: under their care have, you know, what they think? You know, 453 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 2: are they expressing sanctioned opinions? I think we're creating a 454 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: generation of boneless wonders who are ill prepared for the 455 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 2: world that they're graduating into. Ingrid. In your piece this 456 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 2: week at USA Today, you wrote about some positive educational 457 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 2: developments coming out of the Trump Administration's Big Beautiful Bill. 458 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 2: What is Trump and the McMahon regime up to and 459 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 2: that deserves our attention? 460 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 8: Well, I think that Trump has really delivered on his 461 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 8: promises to promote school choice even more this time around, 462 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 8: and he came out immediately with several executive orders directing 463 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 8: the Education Department to find ways they can help states 464 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 8: expand school choice. And that's only further this momentum that 465 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 8: we've seen in recent years, really since the pandemic, when 466 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 8: parents around the country really got a close up look 467 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 8: at what was going on in their public schools, and 468 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 8: I think that really opened up a desire for choices, 469 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 8: whether that was charter schools, private school choice. So what 470 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 8: Trump supported was this federal tax credit so people around 471 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 8: the country could donate to these scholarship granting organizations, which 472 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 8: then in turn could grant these scholarships to families. But 473 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 8: the catches that states have to sign on, and it's 474 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 8: pretty simple. The governor just has to say, yes, we're interested, 475 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 8: we want to participate. And so far almost thirty states 476 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 8: I think that it's up to twenty eight have signed 477 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 8: on and said yes, they want to do this, and 478 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 8: even some states with Democratic governors who have been very 479 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 8: anti choice at the state level. And I think this 480 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 8: is a very interesting way to introduce those options to 481 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 8: families and states that might have been resistant to it otherwise. 482 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 8: And that's including Colorado, which has some of the most 483 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 8: progressive policies in the country. Not not quite as bad 484 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 8: as California, but it's right up there. So I hope 485 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 8: that encourages other blue states to, you know, maybe actually 486 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 8: think about what's best for kids. 487 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 2: Will it's your turn? Is there a win win deal 488 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 2: that unions will sign onto that can save the promise 489 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 2: of public education. You know what is the progressive prescription 490 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: to the progressive education? 491 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 9: Well, I can't speak for unions, but look, I mean, 492 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 9: let me start with the obvious point. 493 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 4: Our schools or in trouble. 494 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 9: They are not performing well, performing badly, and it's to 495 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 9: me another one of those Nations at Risk movements or 496 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 9: SPUD big moments where we need national leadership and both 497 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 9: parties to move to demand higher performance from our public 498 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 9: school system. PPI should say, has been pushing for choice. 499 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 9: I'm not going to go back and tell you when 500 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 9: we started. We introduced Bill Clinton to charter schools and 501 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 9: the rest was history. He embraced that and led the 502 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 9: whole public school choice movement. Barack Obama also reinforced it, 503 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 9: and then Joe Biden very unwisely abandoned it and did 504 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 9: outsource his education policy to the teachers in his four years. 505 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 9: That was a tragic mistake, and so we have a 506 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 9: vacuum of national leadership for school reform. Frankly, I don't 507 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 9: trust Donald to build that guy get that vacuum, and 508 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 9: I don't think that's what he's intending to do. And 509 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 9: we're we don't think that, you know, a large scale 510 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 9: private school choice is the answer here. We've got to 511 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 9: fix our public schools or eighty or eighty five percent 512 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 9: of American kids are going to go to school. So 513 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 9: you know, we have you know, we've been pointing out 514 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 9: the successes. We've got a new documentary out called Turnaround 515 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 9: New Orleans, which after Katrina, went to one hundred percent 516 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 9: charter schools and it's students' performance leapt up there into 517 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 9: respectable territory after being the worst school district in the nation. 518 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 9: We know it works, and we'd love to have more 519 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 9: Republican and support to get it done well. 520 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 2: I think that's why we find out where kind of 521 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 2: school choice and charter schools happen is because I think 522 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 2: Republicans are always there to kind of join Democrats that 523 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 2: want this, that want choice and the benefits of choice, 524 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 2: which is educational excellence. You know what you know, getting 525 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 2: back to like a like an unfund fact of the 526 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: last of my leading is that you know the number 527 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: of kids that are actually flunking the third grade reading exam. 528 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: It's profound, particularly after COVID. I mean, when when you 529 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: when you look at the fact that you know, almost 530 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 2: up to forty percent of kids are failing this exam. 531 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you're it's it's worse than a 532 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 2: spot Nick moment. I think we're like, we're really looking 533 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 2: at the death of the promise of public education and 534 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 2: kind of making kids that are ill prepared for the 535 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 2: world that they're going into. Susan, I want to move 536 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 2: to you. It's that you live in California. You're also uh, 537 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 2: you know, a mother of a daughter. You you've opted 538 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 2: out of the public schools. I think you know, you're you're, you're, 539 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 2: you're you're in a charter. Now, what is the what 540 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 2: is the pedagoglogical difference between you know, the schools that 541 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: you know people are fleeing and the and the ones 542 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 2: that they're going to. 543 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 5: Well, I think you see in the district that I'm 544 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 5: slated to our children displated to go to. You see 545 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 5: an emptying out of those schools in the last two 546 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 5: years just because of the things that I just discussed. 547 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 5: The wocification of of the California schools are is extreme. 548 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 5: We had a national news story come out of our district, 549 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 5: our elementary school district, where a family wanted to op 550 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 5: out of future issues having to do with LGTBTQ plus 551 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 5: because a teacher coupled a fifth grader fifth grade class 552 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 5: with a kindergarten class and made them read My Shadow 553 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 5: was pink, and eventually the stories about a son and 554 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 5: a father. The son's shadow is pink, the father's shadow 555 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 5: is blue. At the end of the story, the father 556 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 5: is accompanying the little boy to school in a tutube. 557 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 5: And then they made the kids buddy up and go 558 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 5: outside and draw their shadow. Light out on the ground 559 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 5: the pavement, and draw their shadow and then think about 560 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 5: what color is each kid's shadow. And when a Catholic, 561 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 5: when a Catholic family decided, you know what, they weren't 562 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 5: comfortable with that. The PTA president and the principal got 563 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 5: together and they decided to have a pink out the 564 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 5: hate day and to intend eight the family. Well, the 565 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,399 Speaker 5: family went on to sue the school district and they 566 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 5: won in California, and that is now. The child spoke 567 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 5: at the Museum of the Bible with Donald Trump in 568 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 5: a high school just one district over from us. There 569 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 5: was and I wrote about this for Real Clear Politics. 570 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 5: A student led group LGBTQ LGBTQ plus group had a 571 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 5: invited a BTSM expert from a trans clinic to a 572 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 5: Pride Week at the school cafeteria, and they did get 573 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 5: the conservative families, Christian and Catholic families and Muslim families 574 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 5: did get together and had that person was no longer invited, 575 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 5: but they had a trans specialist from the new come 576 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 5: to and offer his cell phone to kids and teach 577 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:10,240 Speaker 5: them how what phrases to use to get a gender 578 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 5: dysphoria diagnosis. This is what's going on in our public 579 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 5: schools in California. And it's interesting that it's corresponding with 580 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 5: the fact that now California is behind Mississippi and Louisiana 581 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 5: with the National Assessment of Education Progress Report, the nation's 582 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 5: report card. That was not the case when I was 583 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 5: growing up in California in the eighties and nineties. So 584 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 5: I think there is a direct link there. And there's 585 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 5: all kinds of charter schools and private schools cropping up. 586 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 2: Thank you, guys, stand by. We have more on the 587 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 2: other side of the break. 588 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more. 589 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 3: Welcome back to get Real brought you by Real Clear 590 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 3: Politics and Real. 591 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: Hell, America's Voice. 592 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Get Real. I'm David Roser, published of 593 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 2: the Real Clear Media group and your host. Joining me, 594 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 2: Susan Cramtree, national political correspondent for Real Clear Politics, Ingrid Jaquez, 595 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 2: columnists for USA Today, Joel Ktkin, global economic and political 596 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 2: social trends expert, and Will Marshall, President of the Progressive 597 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: Policy Institute. Welcome back, everyone, guys. Let's dig into some polling. 598 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 2: Joel sent us some interesting polls this week. Take a 599 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 2: look at this regarding supporting ICE and deportation supported by voters. 600 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 2: Seventy three percent say entering the US without legal permission 601 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 2: is breaking the law. American support deporting those here illegally 602 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 2: by a margin of two to one. Fifty four percent 603 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 2: want ICE enforcing federal immigration laws and removing illegal immigrants, 604 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 2: and fifty eight percent opposed to on the ICE, including 605 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 2: majorities of independence and swing voters. The source of this 606 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 2: is signal. It's come out in the past three days. 607 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 2: I mean, Joel, you know you sent this. What do 608 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 2: you think of this? This seems to be you know, 609 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 2: it shows that there's a consistency in the voter's mind 610 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 2: about immigration in the border. 611 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 6: Well, I think there is certainly in terms of what 612 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 6: the ideas are. Obviously, closing the border with something widely 613 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 6: promoted and was very successful politically, but as usual, you know, 614 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 6: Trump overdoes it. You know there, I don't think when 615 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 6: you read the other polls, what you find is that 616 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 6: a lot of people. 617 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 7: Support this in principle. 618 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 6: But if it's going and removing a respectable family that 619 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 6: has never done anything wrong, that their only crime was 620 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 6: to come here illegally or overstate their visa, they don't 621 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 6: support that. What we're seeing is, although people agree basically 622 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 6: with the idea of controlling the border, I think there's 623 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 6: not that much support for going in rooting out you know, 624 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 6: the guys hanging out in front of the home depot. 625 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 6: There's a lot of support for getting rid of the criminals. 626 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 6: I think this way he's done it has just been 627 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,919 Speaker 6: a disaster and politically, what we see, and we're going 628 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,760 Speaker 6: to reveal new numbers at an event in Texas in weeks, 629 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 6: he's alienated the Latino vote, which was critical to his 630 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 6: winning before. And you know, you've got to remember the 631 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 6: next generation of Americans is going to be much more 632 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 6: heavily Hispanic Asian, and they may not like the idea 633 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 6: that somebody they know is being. 634 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 7: Is about to be deported. 635 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 6: I you know, I have a person who I work 636 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 6: with her husband even though they're married, and he never 637 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 6: done anything wrong except overstaying the visa, and now they're 638 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,240 Speaker 6: worrying about having. 639 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 7: To move back to Mexico. 640 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 6: This is not a good way of doing this, and 641 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 6: I think that Trump has handed the Democrats a victory 642 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 6: they shouldn't have. 643 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 4: Now. 644 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 6: The problem for the Democrats, and I'm sure Will would 645 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 6: probably back me up on this, the problem for the 646 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 6: Democrats is then you go into the ban ic, the 647 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 6: sort of whole idea that there's no difference between a 648 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 6: legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant. I mean, you have 649 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 6: the the mayor of Boston basically saying anybody has the 650 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,439 Speaker 6: right to come into the country and stay. I don't 651 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,720 Speaker 6: think I don't even think that will get twenty percent 652 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 6: of the vote. But the Trump has been so basically 653 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 6: just crude and how he's handled this issue that an 654 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,280 Speaker 6: issue that should be working for him is now working 655 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 6: against him. 656 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 8: Okay, So I think Democrats, really, I think are on 657 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 8: the verge of taking this to the other extreme. Sure, 658 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 8: I think if you will get some polls that Americans 659 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 8: are concerned with what's been happening in Minneapolis, where we've 660 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 8: seen two American citizens get killed when they were caught 661 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 8: up in protesting ICE operations. But overall, I don't think 662 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 8: that the sentiment regarding illegal immigration has changed. People are 663 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 8: still saying that immigration is a very important issue for them, 664 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 8: and I really think Democrats risk going too far in 665 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,359 Speaker 8: the other direction when they kind of see this as, oh, 666 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,479 Speaker 8: Trump oversteps, so we're just really going to push back hard, 667 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 8: say we're going to abolish ice, get rid of it 668 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 8: all together, totally, say everyone's welcome, sort of what Joe 669 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 8: Biden did for four years and goddess into this current situation. 670 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 8: So I think voters are saying very clearly they don't 671 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,280 Speaker 8: want to do that. Trump seems to be getting the message. 672 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 8: He's drawing back in Minneapolis, seems to be coming at 673 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 8: things with a bit more of a moderate approach. So 674 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,320 Speaker 8: we'll see how that plays out in the coming weeks. 675 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 8: But I think Democrats are doing what they do best 676 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,800 Speaker 8: and just pushing it too far to the other extreme. 677 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, before I go to you will, I just one 678 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 2: of the things that I really kind of get a 679 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 2: sense with this poll that there is this kind of 680 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 2: you know, consistency through it. And I just wonder is 681 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 2: the Hispanics that have that, you know, voted for Trump, 682 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 2: you know, are they are they holding steady or more 683 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 2: steady than they might be actually telling opinion polls. You know, 684 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 2: for the one thing, you would think that you know, 685 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 2: taking out like a legal immigration is good for you know, 686 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 2: Hispanic families that are here legally in citizens. But you 687 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,919 Speaker 2: know that's just my own observation. What do you see 688 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:55,439 Speaker 2: in this poll? 689 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure yeah. 690 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,400 Speaker 9: Well look, I mean I look at a lot of 691 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 9: polls on this, and there's no question that there's been 692 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 9: a precipitous plunge in public support for President Trump's immigration 693 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 9: policies in general. Now that's not to say the public 694 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 9: is against deportation. They're not there for a deportation, but 695 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:20,800 Speaker 9: they're sure not for this paramilitary, violent kind of harassing 696 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,399 Speaker 9: of American citizens citizens that's happened in American City. It's 697 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,720 Speaker 9: this occupation of Minnesota had gone down terribly for Trump, 698 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 9: and that's why he's pulling back even he's seen it, 699 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 9: and it's pulling back, you know, and where you see 700 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,360 Speaker 9: this ice, I mean, ice is just you know, nobody 701 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,840 Speaker 9: has any approval for it. It's down twenty seven points 702 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 9: and Trump is down sixteen points in the latest New 703 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 9: York Times pull on handling immigration as a result of it. 704 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 4: He still wins. If it's a question of do you 705 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 4: favor you know, you know, are you are you? 706 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 9: If you you know, Democrats obviously can't say we support 707 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 9: ill immigration, and they shouldn't say we're against deportation of 708 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 9: people that really need to go back. 709 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 4: But this has been an own goal for Donald. 710 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 9: Trump, and he's, uh, he's you know, he's obviously reacting 711 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,320 Speaker 9: curiously to try to stop the bleeding. 712 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 2: No, I think I think you're right. But it's like 713 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 2: we've also seen that, you know that instead of the 714 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 2: Insurrection Act being dusted off, I mean Tom Holman went 715 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 2: to Minnesota, right brought calm, changing the policies and procedures. 716 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 2: So there's been you know, we've seen an adaptability, you know, 717 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 2: to to how they're doing. And we've also seen in 718 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 2: Minnesota how the h how the left doesn't want to 719 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,359 Speaker 2: take a win and they're kind of just standing up 720 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,879 Speaker 2: and creating roadblocks and stuff. So you know, I do 721 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,759 Speaker 2: get I do get a sense that I don't think 722 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 2: this was a good political theater. I think they had 723 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 2: a very good sense in the administration that they were 724 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 2: losing it, right, and I think there's regrouping of it. 725 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,959 Speaker 2: And but you know, you know, thanks for that, pol Joel, 726 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 2: because I do think it shows that there's consistency on 727 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 2: issues of immigrations. But how you do it matters in politics, 728 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 2: and I do think I think, you know, there's hopefully 729 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 2: there'll be a tightening up of behavior on both sides 730 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,280 Speaker 2: where you know, the Democrats are you know, working closer 731 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,880 Speaker 2: with you know, Ice so they can get these people 732 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,719 Speaker 2: peacefully and in the very least, you know, in doing so, 733 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 2: you know, maybe even when they do show up for 734 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 2: protests that they're you know, canavans and biting of fingers 735 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,800 Speaker 2: and and inserting oneselves into law if it isn't done, guys, 736 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 2: you know, when we come back, predictions for the week ahead, 737 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:44,799 Speaker 2: Right back. 738 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more. 739 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Get Real, brought you by Real Clear 740 00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 3: Politics and Reel. 741 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:00,720 Speaker 1: Of Merriae Beca's Voice. 742 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 2: Welcome back to get Real. Okay, team, time Now for predictions, Joel. 743 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,840 Speaker 2: Last week you were the best, right, I was the worst. 744 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 2: I predicted it was going to get warmer, and it's 745 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 2: been terrible down in Palm Beach. Lizards are falling from 746 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:21,320 Speaker 2: the sky. 747 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 4: Here. 748 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,239 Speaker 2: You mentioned that I Ran was going to be in 749 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 2: the news. You were right. Also, feel free to make 750 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 2: a Super Bowl prediction. But we have four minutes. We 751 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 2: have four people. Joel, let's start with you, because you're 752 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:35,879 Speaker 2: a wise man. 753 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 7: Okay, two quick things. 754 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 6: One, I think there's going to be increased pressure on 755 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 6: Kamela Harris to get out of the race right now. 756 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,280 Speaker 6: Actually in many polls she still is ahead of Newsom, 757 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 6: but since they have the same base, I think she's 758 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 6: gonna have a lot of pressure. The other big story 759 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,920 Speaker 6: I think is going to be the movement of some 760 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,360 Speaker 6: of the oligarchs and big money people away from the 761 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,280 Speaker 6: Republicans where they were comfortably for a very short period 762 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 6: of time, and now looking for a moderate candidate, a 763 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,760 Speaker 6: moderate Democrat. May you know, it may end up being newsome, 764 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,879 Speaker 6: but like in California with Matt Mahon running the mayor 765 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 6: of San Jose, there is really going to be pressure 766 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 6: to disengage from Trump. I think Ken Griffin's comments on 767 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,360 Speaker 6: that were pretty powerful. So I think that that the 768 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 6: real issue I think what we're going to start seeing 769 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 6: is more and more business people beginning to look back 770 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,520 Speaker 6: at the Democratic Party but trying to find a moderate voice. 771 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,839 Speaker 9: Well quick, well, I think, just to pick up on 772 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,279 Speaker 9: our last conversation, Democrats are absolutely united across our ideological 773 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,319 Speaker 9: differences about ice and they need to decontaminate and depoliticize it. 774 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,680 Speaker 9: So I think with this this shutdown threat. 775 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,120 Speaker 4: That they will hold out, and I think. 776 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 9: We'll see an end to mask paramilitaries rooming our streets 777 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 9: and more in them and hopefully body cams and warrants coming. 778 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,839 Speaker 9: My second prediction is that Christina will not be long 779 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 9: for this administration. Then we'll be put out the pasture 780 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 9: or taken off this beat, at least on overseeing mass 781 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,319 Speaker 9: deportation Susan, Yeah, we. 782 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 5: Wrote a great piece on that and real clear if 783 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 5: you want to check it out about who might be 784 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 5: her successors, sort of even hands with Glenny Younkin, Lee 785 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,400 Speaker 5: Zelden and Jason Chafitz actually in the running or trying 786 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,840 Speaker 5: to be at least positioning themselves. But I think next week, 787 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 5: because I do agree with the strategically putting Tom Homan in, 788 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,880 Speaker 5: and I think he was showing a steady hand this week. 789 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 5: I don't think it was a good idea to capitulate 790 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,759 Speaker 5: in terms of reducing the number of ICE agents by 791 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,360 Speaker 5: seven hundred in Minnesota. I think because of that, you're 792 00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 5: going to choose embolden these paid groups, test groups to 793 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,480 Speaker 5: go out and clash with ice even more because they 794 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 5: won this round, and so I predict there would be 795 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,360 Speaker 5: even more clashes, even more funding of these groups in 796 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,960 Speaker 5: next week. And in terms of the Super Bowl, I'll 797 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 5: give my Patriots a good win by at least one touchdown. 798 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 2: All right, Ingrid close it? 799 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 8: Okay, So a little off topic. That's something that's been 800 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,040 Speaker 8: on my mind a lot this week. I wrote a 801 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 8: calm about it. Just my heart's been really going out 802 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 8: to Savannah Guthrie and with everything that's going on with 803 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 8: her mom, who seems to have been kidnapped, and it's 804 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,279 Speaker 8: been quite a few days now, and I just really 805 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,200 Speaker 8: hope that there's some resolution there for that family. Second 806 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:52,600 Speaker 8: quick prediction. Since Kamala Harris relaunched her headquarters social media 807 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,399 Speaker 8: feed and she's already changed name once, I'm guessing she'll 808 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 8: probably change it again. 809 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,440 Speaker 2: Go Seahawks, Joel will Susan Ingrid Thank you all. And 810 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,640 Speaker 2: I can't speak to my family if I didn't say 811 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,799 Speaker 2: the Patriots will win as well. So thank you all 812 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,319 Speaker 2: for coming, and really thanks for showing that you know, 813 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,959 Speaker 2: a conversation where you know there isn't a different of kind, 814 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,080 Speaker 2: it's of a difference of degree, and I mean this 815 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,640 Speaker 2: was quite frankly more light than heat, and I think 816 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 2: that's what we need. Thank you all for coming. Look 817 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:32,279 Speaker 2: forward to seeing you soon. Thank you David, see you 818 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:32,959 Speaker 2: all next week. 819 00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, We'll be right back with more