1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Zone Media, Hello, and welcome to your weekly Better Offline Monologue. I, 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: of course amed Xytron. So, as you'll find out in 3 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: tomorrow's episode, the Future of jennetor of Ai, hinges heavily 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: on open Ai, raising tens of billions of dollars, the 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: majority of it from SoftBank, a huge Japanese investment firm 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: that has to take out billions of dollars of loans 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: to fund them, along with their contribution to the Stargate 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: data center project. And as I went into in yesterday's episode, 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: Microsoft is pulling back from over a gigawatt of data 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: center capacity, and it certainly looks like these moves are 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: an intentional move to distance themselves from open Ai, cutting 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: back on data center expansion just as America's worst company 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: needs more of them. Meanwhile, Mark Benioff, CEO of Salesforce, 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: he's sounded Neil arm saying a recent CNBC conference that 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: he believed hyperscalers were under hypnosis in their aggressive pursuit 16 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: of data center to expansion and training larger and larger 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: language models. Benioff believes that and I quote ish it, 18 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: referring to data center expansions and larger language models has 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: to be rethought. Exactly what are you doing and why 20 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: are you doing this? That's a bloody good question. Mark. 21 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: To be clear, Mark Benioff has been saying that Salesforce 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: was adding some sort of Einstein AI shit for the 23 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: best part of a decade as a means of boosting 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: his stock price. So why is Big tech's most effusive 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: bullshit as saying this. Do you think it's because things 26 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: are going well? Do you think it's because sales of 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: Agent Force and other associated products are doing really well? Look, 28 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: as I've repeatedly said, where is the money in this industry? 29 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: What have these companies actually built with generative AI? Where 30 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,639 Speaker 1: are the products that matter and why do they matter? 31 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: Do you really think chat GPT is revolutionary? Do you 32 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: think any of this is revolutionary? We are two years 33 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: in and I'm still getting dms from people asking me 34 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: what would it take to make you believe that this 35 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: is all the future? And I'm so fucking tired of 36 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: being asked this. The arguments I make are grounded in 37 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: numbers and things that have happened, not just financial details 38 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: and statistics, but in objective evaluations the products in question. 39 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: There arefficacy at tasks and the people involved. Yet somehow, 40 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: I and other critics are continually made to justify themselves. 41 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: While Sam Altman of open ai and Dario Amadee of 42 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: Anthropic vaguely suggests that we'll have a conscious autonomous computer 43 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 1: by the year twenty twenty seven. When I ask how 44 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: open ai survives as it spends nine billion dollars to 45 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: lose five billion dollars, I'm obliquely threatened by Casey Newton 46 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: of Platformer and Hardfork that he's taking detailed notes about 47 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: anyone who believes that open ai might go bankrupt or 48 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: run out of money. When as Recline suggests that AGI 49 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: is about to arrive in a conversation with some sort 50 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: of former Biden administration aicon artist, I'm sent the link 51 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: thirty times with people saying does this mean you're wrong? 52 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: I realize I'm complaining, but I'm justified in doing so. 53 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: Why the fuck do I other critics have to make 54 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: rigorously founded in persuasive arguments while AI companies spout fantastical nonsense. 55 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: Why does Sam Mortman get headlines when he posts about 56 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: and this did just happen? By the way, making an 57 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: AI that can do creative writing, and I wish it 58 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: was just ignorance. People like casing you and a Nezrakline 59 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: aren't stupid, but they're also fully willing to back the 60 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: narratives of powerful people that they want to be friends with. 61 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: They want the rich and powerful to win, and they 62 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: want to be the people that write their narratives and 63 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: get their interviews. And yeah, I'm being petty. These are 64 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: people that ostensibly compete with my work. But people with 65 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: such a large audience have a responsibility two said audience 66 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: not what they wish would come true. And really, I've 67 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: got to ask, how does all of this end? Right now, 68 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: we've got Anthropic, a company allegedly makes one hundred and 69 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: fifty million dollars a month according to the Information, but 70 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: loses over five billion dollars a year or so, reported 71 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: by the Information, And they make a commoditized product one 72 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: very similar to open Aiyes, a company that will also 73 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: likely lose a shit ton of money eleven billion dollars 74 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: or more in twenty twenty five. These companies are dependent 75 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: on receiving billions or tens of billions of dollars a 76 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: year in funding for an indeterminately long period of time. 77 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: For an equally indeterminate goal. I'm being completely objective here. 78 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 1: There's nothing that these companies have made that suggests anything 79 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: will change. Every new version of claud sonnet or GPT 80 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: is iterative, and the products we see today are alarmingly 81 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: similar to the ones we saw in the last two years. 82 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: Despite everybody talking about agents, the actual agents that exist 83 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: don't really work, and those that are able to kind 84 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: of complete a task costs thousands of dollars and again 85 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: don't always work. This industry is unprofitable, unsustainable, and does 86 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: not appear to be able to create a product that 87 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: people want to pay for, let alone one that they 88 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: pay enough to put the company making it in the green. 89 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: We're two years in. How do we not have one 90 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: profitable generate AVII company other than Boy is it churing? 91 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: They're a consultancy? It does not count. I do want 92 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: to say, though I'm not cheering the apocalypse, what I've 93 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: been describing for the last year is a group delusion 94 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: where hundreds of billions of dollars got funneled into an 95 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: environmentally and financially destructive distraction from the real problems that 96 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: humanity faces. The longer this goes on means that it 97 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: will be worse for the tech industry because once this 98 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: bubble bursts, it will puncture everything, tens of thousands of 99 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: people laid off, brutal damage under tech valuations, and likely 100 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: a glut of tech talent that depresses wages across the valley. 101 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: What's important to know is that so much of this 102 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: could have been avoided. Microsoft could have chosen not to 103 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: continue sustaining open AI, as could Google and Amazon have 104 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: refused to back anthropic or just not do this nonsense 105 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: so called reporters that Casey Newton and Ezra Klein could 106 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: have made these companies justify themselves rather than operating as 107 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: so called cautious optimists that end up mostly just parroting 108 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: marketing materials. And the larger media could have covered generative 109 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: AI based on what it does, rather than what they're 110 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: told it might do by somebody who has the financial 111 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,799 Speaker 1: incentive to lie. In any case, when this collapses, my words, 112 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: I have been taking very, very detailed notes. I've been 113 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: watching those who have sustained this bullshit narrative and other 114 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: bullshit narratives and cryptocurrency in the metaverse. People willfully misleading 115 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: the public in the process, and when the time is right, 116 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: I will coldly and clinically read you every single time 117 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: they've done so. Anyway, enjoy tomorrow's episode