WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 071021 Q Ward, Ramses Ja & Trysta Krick 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.279 Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher Iami host Ramsay's Josh. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:06.040 Some people call me DJ q Ward. Some people call 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.640 me q ward. My mother calls me Q dirty. I 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:13.160 won't get into that, but she named me Quinton. And 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:15.520 because a lot of people don't like pronouncing the owen 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:17.239 my name, I just go by Q. 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:19.360 My last name is Ward. Now you see what. 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:22.360 My whole name thing came from. Yes, indeed, and we 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.200 are backup in you want more again? Uh, feeling refreshed? 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:29.280 You know this is it's a tough job, so we 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:33.360 do have to take some time and regroup and very 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:34.760 very necessary. Yeah. 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.760 Yeah, And so you are going to talk about some 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.000 important stuff today, some goings on in the world. And 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.680 fortunately we have a special guest in the building with 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.000 us today. She goes by the name of Trista Crick 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:48.720 from Barstool Sports. 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.760 Welcome, Thank you for having me. 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.400 Yes, indeed, And I guess this means we're going to 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:56.720 talk about sports stuff. I hope. So we had a 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:57.280 lot of stories. 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.720 No one I would rather talk about sports stuff with. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:04.440 Then the estatem I mean me this trust the correct Yeah. 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.440 Now I want to let everyone know I'm not the 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.120 biggest sports person in the world. But that's why we 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.280 have experts. So stick around your radios because we do 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.920 have a lot coming your way in the form of 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:22.960 some very heavy names, important names math at least of 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:28.720 which is Shakri Richardson, Gabby Thomas, that's going to talk 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:33.520 about Rachel Nichols as well. And then of course we 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:37.440 have our Baba Are Becoming Better Ally segment a little 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:38.680 later on in the show, and of course we're gonna 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.920 hear from DJ Swirl with our way black history facts. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.440 So a lot on the way. So, like I said, 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.760 be sure to stick around your radios. But before we 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:50.280 get too far away from the happy part of the show, 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.800 the traditionally happy part of the show, let's go ahead 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.400 and get into some Ebony's x sing. That's how you 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:01.240 feel about that? Qu All I do is no matter what. 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:06.040 So miss Gabby Thomas, I mean, excellence might not be 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:09.440 a good enough word, and I'm typically a. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:13.160 Very articulate young man, but for her, I don't really 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:13.560 have to be. 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:18.519 You know, they say she might be the world's fastest epidemiologist, 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:26.040 So we'll start there. Olympian Harvard grad okay in trist 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:27.680 could you give us a little bit of a bit 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.000 of an idea of her area of study. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:34.600 She's a neurobiologist that is getting her masters in epidemiology 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:38.960 infectious disease for folks who aren't well versed in epidemiology 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:40.680 and what it means. But I would say she's the 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.440 elite of the elite of the elite. 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.880 And I think somebody correct me if I'm wrong. She 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.480 might be the second fastest woman in the two hundred 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:53.919 meters in history, at least the fastest since nineteen eighty eight. Okay, 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.680 while accomplishing those things that she's done as an academician. 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.320 Can you imagine having to train as much as an 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.480 olympian has to train and then being that elite at 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:06.720 something else. 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.920 I couldn't imagine having to train as much as an 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.440 olympian has to train and being even good at anything else. 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.119 Start we're doing anything. 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:19.040 I mean, it's like train, eat, train, eat sleep. 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:24.840 Then and she figures out how to study at a 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.359 scientist level in between all. 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:31.000 Of that, Well, then we picked the right one for 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.280 this week. That's some Ebony excellence for you. We love 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:39.920 to celebrate positive stories, and that's about as positive as 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.600 they come. Of course, we're going to expect continue to 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:48.640 expect great things from her, and it is one of 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:50.600 the pleasures of doing the show is that we do 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:55.600 get to discuss things that kind of remind us of 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:57.960 what we're capable of and who we are because of 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:01.480 the bulk of the show is often has to do with, 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.520 you know, where we are and how do we overcome, 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:06.840 you know, So it's good to know that there's some 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.160 positive stories out there, and granted we don't get to 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.000 spend a lot of time on them, but you know, 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.160 every stow often when we get to it really does 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:13.600 feel good. 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.440 So we're lucky this week though, was that because the 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.800 story's kind of intertwined. Yeah, yeah, you know Gabby being 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:23.360 you know, our person of excellence, but she's also involved 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:25.919 in another story with another person that we've highlighted for 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:29.480 being excellent, Miss Sha Carry Richardson. 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.599 And that's what we're talking about now. So I'll be honest, 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.200 I'm I've kind of read a couple of headlines, but 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:38.400 you know, the two of you are more familiar with 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:43.680 the world of sports. So from the beginning, what's going 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:45.000 on with She Carry Richardson. 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.520 I'll start with the most important part of her story, 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.159 the most human part, the part of the story that 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.080 everyone will hear and immediately be able to relate to. 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:00.359 Sha Carry found out second or third hand from a 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.679 stranger more or less that her biological mother passed away 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.960 the week leading up to the biggest day of her 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.400 professional track and field career, which was the Olympic Trials 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:11.880 in Eugene, Oregon. 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.040 Shout out to Eugene, my alma mater. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:19.240 Were shout out to the Ducks. I didn't know that, 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.440 And shout out to MotorCity Track Club. This is a 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:22.279 shameless plug. 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:24.960 The girls from Detroit just went down there, coached by 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:30.800 Brandon Giles and were all Americans and national champions. That's 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.679 MotorCity Track Club from you know the Motor Yes. Indeed, 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:38.600 in case that wasn't clear. But Sha Carrie, she dealt 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.800 with it the best way that she knew how Okay, So, 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:46.120 Sha Carrie, she had her biological mother passed away and 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.799 it was the week that she was going to try 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.760 out for the Olympics. Yeah, the Olympic Trials is a 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.840 track meet, okay, where the best runners in the country 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.200 come and based on the results at this meet, we 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.520 know who was going to present our country at the Olympics. Alright, 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:09.040 go ahead, she carry I guess the skinny was by 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:15.440 far the most electric and the fastest athlete at the meet. 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.599 She's the reason I watched it. We talked about her before, yes, 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:23.640 and post race. She was drug tested and they were found. 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.760 I think it's THHC in her sample. 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:28.479 Yep. 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.839 And you know marijuana is on the band's. 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.400 Substance list, which I think is where we kind of 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:37.080 have to start the discussion because as unfair as it 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.120 may seem, and a lot of people are saying this 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:42.599 with no nuance, but the rules are rules thing with 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:44.000 no context and no nuance. 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:44.880 I don't think that's fair. 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.320 However, when there are rules that you are aware of 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.640 and you break them and there's consequences, then there is 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.120 a discussion to be had. It's not as black and 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:57.240 white as people are just being unfair, even though there 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:58.719 are people that are being unfair. 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:03.919 So it helped me to understand. So she knew about 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:11.160 these rules absolutely and then and then decided to smoke weed. 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:15.800 I'm yesing, yes, correct, Okay, So this reminds me of while. 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.160 Dealing with the news that her mother had passed away. 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.640 That part I think is important to say. 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:31.080 So this reminds me of Naomi Osaka. Perhaps because she 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:37.680 had some she didn't want to become overwhelmed by the 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.040 press and the whatever, the interviews after her tennis match 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.240 and whatever place that she was going to go play 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:47.960 tennis in, and you know, she decided, you know, that 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.200 she was doing what she needed to do to protect 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.840 her mental health. And to me, it sounds like this 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:58.600 might have been self medicating to deal with the loss 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:05.440 of her mother. Yes, okay, and so she went into 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:09.280 this eyes wide open. So explain to me the part 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:14.440 that is unfit. How are people treating her unfairly? Admittedly 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:17.120 I haven't dug into these layers, and that's why we're 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:18.000 having this conversation. 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:24.440 I would say that the main discussion is whether a 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:28.040 substance that is legal in the state of Oregon, which 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:32.120 is where Shakerri was at the time, whether that should 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:36.480 truly be on the banned list, because the whole point 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:41.000 of banning substances is to prevent athletes from getting an 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.280 advantage in a competitive setting. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:45.559 And everybody who's ever. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:49.240 Smoked knows you don't get faster by smoking weed. It's 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:53.880 not a substance that helps you or what's called performance 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.360 enhancing drugs is what they want to ban. Sure, but 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:00.679 alcohol is free and clear not on the banned substance list, 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.120 but marijuana weed is on the band substance list. So 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:08.480 the unfairness component comes from, well, this is legal, the 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:13.040 world is changing. Other sports like basketball are not even 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:17.320 testing athletes for weed. Kevin Durant, who a new article 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.520 came out I think a few days ago about him 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.920 blazing a lot, like pretty much besides playing basketball, all 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:26.960 Katie does is blaze and maybe not even going to 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.960 be tested for the Olympics at that sport. If it's 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.360 fair for Shakiri to be tested for weed at all 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:35.719 when it's legal in the state. 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:39.760 Especially because marijuana carries a stigmatism. 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.640 That has a racial component to it. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.319 So what I'm trying to do is, and I think 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.680 maybe you have done it for me, is make a 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:51.240 connection between. 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.640 Race, competition unfairness. 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.640 So they tested all of the athletes, he's the one 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.520 that came up, you know, yes, and. 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.360 So she wouldn't be able to go and compete for 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:12.280 the one hundred, which she's supposedly the leader to win the. 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.560 Whole thing until favorite to win the gold medal is 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.679 now not going to be competing at the. 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:20.160 Olympics at all, Okay, because of this test. So I'm 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:21.959 glad you mentioned that. So I have a quote from her, 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.040 and it's from a tweet. It says the attention that 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:31.560 is on track now and was because a very very 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.640 few names. So if that's where fans support Lay, you 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:36.320 can't be mad at that. In other words, she's trying 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.680 to say that no one would be paying attention to 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:45.920 this sport anymore because she's not running in this event. 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.520 Or at least considerably less people will be paying attention. 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.680 And that was actually a response to something that Gabby 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:52.640 tweeted about. 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:53.920 Okay, so tell me about that. 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.880 And Gabby expressed that she was hurt that a lot 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.000 of black people have expressed that they won't be tuning 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.120 in for the Olympics this year. Now, i'd argue that 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:08.959 that's not just related to Shakiri, but definitely related not 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.319 singularly to her, but definitely related to her as well. 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.520 So that's why she got that response from Shakiri. Now, 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:22.480 I want to say something the whole Olympics thing feels like, 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:28.520 and this is me reaching and I'll see the argument 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:30.920 if someone were to make the argument to me rules 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.200 or rules. If you do this, then you get this. 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:35.880 If you do that, you get that, you know, And 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:37.680 I think that everyone's on the same page. No one's 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:38.280 arguing it. 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:43.640 That, but it feels to me like the Olympic Committee 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:47.920 or the Olympic folks or club or whatever, how Olympics 0:11:47.960 --> 0:12:02.240 comes together. Really, we're not really receptive to black athletes 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:06.680 in their present condition, in our present condition after the 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:11.000 year twenty twenty, knowing what our challenges are, who we are, 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.240 who we have to be. Now I have to do 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:15.120 this radio show. 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:15.280 Now. 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.440 I used to give away concert tickets. I used to 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:22.000 make people listen for trivia and talk about Hollywood gossip, 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.760 and now I have to do this radio show. They'll 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:29.280 bury me this version of myself. We all have to 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:33.200 be different now because we saw what happened when that 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.640 man now on George Floyd's neck. It changed the world. 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.360 Say what you will, but that's what happened, right, So 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:45.200 we're all different, and the Olympics we're completely tone deaf. 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.920 And when they says something like we won't tolerate any 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:54.200 fists and we won't tolerate any that's the real reason 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.000 why I don't care, you know. I don't care anyway, 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.000 but like, I have to follow these stories. But Olympics, 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.280 as soon as they said that, pH, well, I'm not 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.400 paying attention to that because I don't care how fast 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.719 you can run. You gotta be a human a lot 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:09.920 longer than you got to run. You did what I'm saying. 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.400 So for me, it felt like the Olympics from the 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.280 outset was like, you know what, don't bring none of 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:19.000 that blackness over here, And that to me feels like, 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.160 all right, we'll shoot say less. 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:25.200 Let me ask you this, que if Shakri looked like 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:30.040 Gabby and not like sha Carri, Mm, how do you 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.280 think things would be different? Because I think that there 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.200 is a standard. 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:37.120 Of what. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:44.320 Brand and ble black athletes look like, and Shakrie does 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:51.080 not fall into that box right now, long nails, colorful nails, 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:55.439 hair a certain way, jewelry a certain way, affectation in 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.360 the way that she speaks a certain way, the way 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.720 that she moves moves is a certain way. Where Gabby 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.480 is an epidemiologist. 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.080 From Harvard correct. 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:12.800 It's interesting because we'd be naive to think that everything 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.720 that you just said play no role in the way 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.360 she's treated, in the way that she's responded to I 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:23.920 saw a right leaning politician tweet. I'm not sure if 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.640 she was a politician or a journalist that covers politics, 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.760 but she tweeted that they should look into steroids for 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.840 she carries because of how long her hair and nails are. 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.960 So talk about being racist and stupid at the same time. 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:43.360 Because she carries hair and nails are both costume if 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:50.680 you will, lace front wig acrylic fingernails, So she doesn't 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.600 have very long hair and very long fingernails naturally, but 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.000 she must be on steroids. And here is why I 0:14:56.080 --> 0:15:04.640 think so. She carries very very rams in Q and 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:08.400 I don't just mean because we're black. I mean because 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:13.200 I'm from Detroit and Ramses from Compton and whatever your 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:15.240 mind just thought when you heard me say. 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.200 That, that's Shakrrie Richardson. 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.800 Except she's faster than probably every other human on earth 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.680 that wasn't in that race with her in Eugene a week. 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:28.120 Ago, and is not going to dilute what she looks 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.400 like for people who don't look like her or come 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.440 from the same like her. She's willing to stand in 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.160 her culture in the way that she wants to represent 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.800 herself to the world, not the way that the Olympic 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:46.880 governing body wants to carry the fastest woman to run 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.880 to represent herself. And that's where I think things get 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.280 really really interesting, because I don't think I personally don't 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:59.560 think Gabby. So also, it needs to be mentioned that 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:04.720 Shakrie was not disqualified for the entire Olympic Games. She 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.920 was only disqualified from competing in the one hundred meter race. 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.560 She would have been allowed to compete in the relay race, 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.960 which is where Olympians passed the torch and run that 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:21.640 amount of distance right the baton. So the Olympic governing 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:25.520 body or whoever, I don't know who, the USATF, the 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:30.880 US Olympic Track and Field, decided not to take Shakiri 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:35.480 with them, even though she's the fastest and would guarantee 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.520 or at least help solidify a win for the country, 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.600 because why she would be eligible to race, but they 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:43.280 didn't take her. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.880 The question is why. 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.920 So I guess my question to the both of you then, 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.760 is because you follow sports a little bit more closely 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.960 than probably the average person, but certainly more than me, 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:06.760 do you find in that these types of things happen 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:10.640 with non black athletes where they're scrutinized because of how 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.640 long their fingernails are. You know, I read, I read, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:15.919 I did read an article recently, and it was about 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.800 some folks wanting to test the testosterone levels of some 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.640 women who were sprinters or something because they were doing 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:27.040 so well. They wanted it to test their hormones and 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.520 see if they can disqualify them. Have you heard of 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.560 this happening with non black folks? Does it happen frequently? 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.080 Is it a part of a competitive culture to tear 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:37.840 each other down, or is this something that happens more 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.719 with black athletes. This is something that happens more with 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.320 black women women. That's what I was thinking. 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:50.960 With anyone else, right, There's been dialogue in the in 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:55.360 the sports world, in the journalism world about our transgender 0:17:55.400 --> 0:18:01.320 brothers and sisters competing, especially you know, those born male 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:08.560 competing against female athletes and doing very well. There is 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:12.320 pushback against there being a limit. There is pushback against 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.879 there being something that says, hey, if you're born in 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:19.040 male in competition where it's who's the strongest and who's 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.879 the fastest and who can jump the highest, that you 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.720 probably shouldn't be allowed to compete against women. 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.320 Okay, right. The difference is. 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:33.040 It's very hard to push back against groups that have 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:37.000 men in them, especially groups that have white men in them. 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.239 And our transgender brothers and sisters have white men in 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:45.080 that group. So the pushback isn't it strong women in 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:51.240 sports and sports media specifically, they have an incredibly difficult fight, 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:56.640 from sports agents, to sports reporters to athletes themselves. There 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.119 are men in this world that think by nature of 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.520 being born in men, and they're smarter and more qualified 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:05.959 to do the work full stop. When you take that 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:09.640 minority group smaller and you make it black women, there's 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:14.000 an enhanced level of scrutiny, you know, where there's conversation 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:18.480 to be had about whether a transgender women can compete 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:23.480 against women born female. That's a conversation. But sh Carrie, 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:26.520 you can't compete period because you smoked wheed. That's not 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.280 a conversation. We don't care if it's not fair, we 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.120 don't care if the entire world has changed since these 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:37.800 rules were made. When these rules were written, recreational use 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:41.359 of marijuana in fourteen states, I believe already was not 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.960 the case, especially in the state she was tested in. 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:49.360 So there are some obvious differences that I see. I'm 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:53.320 sure trusta you probably see. On a whole nother. 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:59.040 Level, I would say that black female athletes are scrutinized 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:03.040 in terms of of the competitive advantage that they may 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:06.200 or may not be getting from something that's not natural. 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:11.240 I would say that black female athletes, especially ones like Shakiri. 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:16.040 Shakarri is cut up. She is a physical specimen. And 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:21.959 if you see someone like Shakiri and you don't and 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:25.600 you don't have a point of view that's broad and 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.199 you haven't been around people of all different shape sizes, 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.560 colors and backgrounds, you might see Shakri and think she's 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.760 juiced up. You know, white women athletes don't get that 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:38.399 cut You know, I don't see other track athletes that 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.560 look like me that are as faster, as stronger, can 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:43.520 jump as high, or has as much balance. 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:45.440 So what is it about Shakiri? 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:50.159 Is she doing more than just smoking wheed? 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.520 I'm glad you mentioned that because I remember reading something 0:20:54.640 --> 0:21:00.320 a while ago. You know, there's there's been a an 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.280 interesting relationship with black people in the United States and 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:11.680 sports sport where for a long time, white boxers didn't 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:17.680 want to fight black boxers because it was beneath them. 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:22.440 But the truth is is that black boxers. It would 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:24.520 be a soul crushing defeat if you lost to a 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:33.520 black boxer. And uh, you know what is what is 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:38.080 the guy's name who said that black people are stronger 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:43.320 and bigger because the biggest slaves were bred, were made 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:46.880 to procreate it. What was the guy's name? Jimmy the Greek. 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:50.320 I'm sure he wasn't singular in that sentiment, but you know, 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:52.399 those sorts of things. But anyway, there's this, there's this 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:54.639 obsession with black people in sports. And you know, we 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:56.040 see in a lot of a lot of the more 0:21:56.040 --> 0:22:00.840 popular sports football, basketball, is perhaps a overapp presentation of 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.959 black folks and an underrepresentation of white are white folks 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:10.080 relative to the population in this country? And I think 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:19.240 that subconsciously you kind of maybe develop an idea that 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.080 black people are physically superior. 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:25.639 Maybe I would say that's a b I would say 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:29.080 that that's a bias that a lot of people share. 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:33.399 I would say that's a bias based around like not 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:39.200 really like having enough scientists, like scientific knowledge about biology 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:42.800 and genetics and and how athletic and like how muscle 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:45.840 fibers develop and how speed develops, et cetera, et cetera. 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.360 Well, the thing I was gonna was going to suggest 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:54.399 is that the only piece of evidence information research that 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:56.959 I've ever come across in all my time had to 0:22:56.960 --> 0:23:00.560 do with the long distance sprinters from Africa. They're like 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:03.520 from Ethiopia or something. There's like one country where Nigeria 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:06.960 maybe that's it, And these people can just mob for days, right, 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:13.400 no problem, right, And it's part like bone structure, and 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:15.520 you know the fact that they don't really carry a 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:18.919 lot of weight on their body physically, They're just not 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:20.080 really bulky folks. 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:22.280 And then. 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:26.040 It has to do with their breathing and the climate 0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:28.240 that they're from. They're they're able to breathe a certain 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:31.440 way and get a lot more oxygen to their bones 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:34.359 and their or their their blood is oxygenated at a 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.560 different level because of their accustomed to breathing in a 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:41.000 certain climate, and those factors lend themselves to them being 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:46.679 able to run longer distances in any case. Uh, you know, 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:51.520 and one more thing before we get off this subject, 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:55.040 what would you say? What both do you say? If 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:58.120 I were to play Devil's advocate and say, well, if 0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:02.960 she knew the rules and she decided that she needed 0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:08.760 to self medicate in that way. Then you know that 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:11.520 the hammer falls where it falls, and that's the end 0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:13.440 of the story. What do you say to someone because 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:17.800 they know there's people listening who do not appreciate the 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:19.920