1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Podcast play God. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: This is Buzznight for the Taking a Walk podcast, and 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: we appreciate you checking us out and following us at 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, Spotify podcast, the podcast Playground, or wherever you 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: get your podcasts. And if you've recently discovered the podcast, 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: like Jay from the Washington, DC area, we appreciate it 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: and also share the podcast with a friend if you can. 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 2: On this Taking a Walk classic replay, we go back 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: to an episode that we recorded on June fourteenth, twenty 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 2: twenty two. The scene was the West Village area of 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: Greenwich Village, New York City. Our guest one of the 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: most respected photographers in music history. You've seen his iconic 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: photos of John Lennon and Yoko Ono. You've seen that 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: infamous photo of John wearing that New York City shirt. 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: That's Bob's. Bob Gruin is our guest start taking a Walk. 16 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: What a cool experience. 17 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: It was meeting up with him. 18 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: By the end when we were taking our selfie photo, 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: Bob took the selfie photo, which the more I thought 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: about that, I was like, that is cool, and we 21 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: shared that on our social So let's meet up with 22 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: Bob Grewing next. On Taking a Walk. 23 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: Well, Bob, it's so nice to meet you and thank 24 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: you for being part of the Taking a. 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 4: Walk series here in New York City. 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 5: How have you been the last couple of years. 27 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 4: It's been a little wacky. 28 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: Well, I'm a little wacky like most people. It's been 29 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: a time of anxiety and uncertainty, but most of my 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: life has been uncertain, so I'm used to that. 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 5: Boy. 32 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: Well, you started as a photographer, really capturing. 33 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 5: Everything in your in your your family photography, right, I 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 5: mean that's where. 35 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: It all beginning. Well, I learned from my mother, who 36 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: is our hobby, and my mom told me how to 37 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: develop a print my pictures, and I just took a 38 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: liking to it and started taking picture of my family, 39 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: which actually was good practice for working with rock and 40 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: roll band since they were all like dysfunctional families and 41 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: you got to try and get all the five or 42 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: six people looking good for one sixtieth of a second. 43 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: So I kind of learned that with my family. And 44 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: then after high school, I lived with a rock and 45 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: roll band. The idea was to turn on, tune in 46 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: and drop out, and so I dropped out and lived 47 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: with a band. But I didn't know I was actually 48 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: falling into the rest of my future. 49 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 4: You really never held a formal job. 50 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: Not really. No, I've had a couple when I was young, 51 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: but didn't last long. 52 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 5: So you knew you were hooked right away. 53 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. I wasn't really set up for the ninth to 54 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: five kind of job because I couldn't make the nine 55 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: o'clock part. I was much more of a night person. 56 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 5: So I know Tina Turner, when you first saw a 57 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 5: team the Turner ikon Tina Turner, that was a transformative experience. 58 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 5: Can you talk about that experience? 59 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: Well, a friend of us said, we you know, she'd 60 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: go see Tina Turner. I Cantina Turner because they were 61 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: a great man, a great show, and and so we 62 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: went with her, and I was absolutely blown away when 63 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: it saw Tina for the first time. It was she 64 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: was the most amazing act I'd ever seen, still is actually. 65 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: And so we came back a couple days later and 66 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: I brought my camera to take some pictures and at 67 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: the end of her show, a strobe light flashes and 68 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: she dances off, you know, with a multiple images flashing 69 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: in from your eyes, and I set the camera for 70 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: one second. I took one picture I had no idea 71 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: if it would come out with all the different flashes, 72 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: but it came out really well. And then we went 73 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: to see I Cantina a few days later in New Jersey, 74 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: and I brought the pictures with me to show my friends. 75 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: And on the way out of the theater, one of 76 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: my friends so I Turner, going from one theater to another, 77 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: and she literally pushed me in front of Ike and said, 78 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: so like the pictures. And he stopped and he looked 79 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: at him and he said, these are really good pictures. 80 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: I got to shoot his Datina, and he took me 81 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: in the dressing room, and Tina liked the pictures, and 82 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: pretty sooner started working with them, and that was the 83 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: beginning of my career. 84 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 4: One thing led to another. So the clubs were just 85 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 4: so amazing. 86 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 5: You were hopping from one to another. 87 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: All through the all through the night of my life, 88 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: all through your life. 89 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 4: So let's talk about the clubs first of all. 90 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: Back then, at first, I think I started going to 91 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: it Kenny's Pat Kenny's club, which is called Kenny's up 92 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: on eighty fourth Street. 93 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: And see what's so cool about taking a walk, Bob, 94 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: I'm starting gonna ruugh, is we let the dogs bark, 95 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: but we do watch in case we got to step 96 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 3: in something. 97 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, well, people tend to clean up after themselves 98 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: nowadays and not like it. 99 00:04:59,320 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 4: Used to be. 100 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: I can tell you that it's okay. But anyway, I 101 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: go up to Kenny's Castaways a lot. Sure, Patrick Kenny 102 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: ran that, and it was a really eclectic club. He 103 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: had everybody from who was it, Willie Dixon to New 104 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: York Dolls, to Yokohono to Chasey and Elson to Larry 105 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: Corriel all in a little Irish bar. So it was 106 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: a lot of fun to go there. And then I 107 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: found out about Maxi Kansas City, and then Cebgv's opened 108 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: around nineteen seventy five, and I started going there a lot, 109 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: and it was just one thing after that. I mean, 110 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: there's still a lot of clubs now, there's like more 111 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: clubs than ever, but they're all out in Brooklyn, and 112 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: since I'm not in a young crowd with twenty year 113 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: olds who tends to go out to the clubs anymore, 114 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: I don't really go out there. So go back to 115 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: Maxes for a second. 116 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 5: The back room at Max's was. 117 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 6: Kind of legendary for all that, sort of like the 118 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 6: media folks to hang out and everything. 119 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: Uh, well, I don't know I media folks so much. 120 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: It was a bunch of artists first in the late sixties, 121 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: when Mickey Ruskin was running it. It was Andy Warhol and 122 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: lickdu you know, Roy Lichtenstein and those kind of brothers. 123 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: That's where Johnny Yoko lived, by the way, right here 124 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: on Bank Street, Wow one on five Bank Street. When 125 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: I'm when I first met Jion Yoko, they lived here. 126 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: Look at that. Wow, it's an easy commute half a 127 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: block in my house. 128 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 4: That's awesome. 129 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing. But uh, and that do it 130 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: went right into the apartment. So after about a year 131 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: when everybody knew that john Yoko were living here, they 132 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: had to move out because they got a little too popular, 133 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: I would say, right. But anyway, back to the clubs. Uh, 134 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun back then. Uh. There 135 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: wasn't any h any real kind of corporate interest. You 136 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: know that a lot of bands were playing for fun. 137 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 1: They were planning to get a drink and meet a girl. 138 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: Uh. 139 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: You weren't really expecting to make your career coming from 140 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: a dumpy little club, you know, But it turned out 141 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: that that worked out. Okay, a lot of people started 142 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: in some really good careers. 143 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 4: And at Max's I remember seeing Patty Smith do poetry there. 144 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: Huh, what's your first memory of seeing Patty Patty? I 145 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: saw her at Max's and it was kind of a cross. 146 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: She was like reciting poems for with a music background. 147 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: The first time I saw Lenny Kay and Artie Sol 148 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: were already playing with her, so very much like rock 149 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: and roll but with the beat. 150 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 5: So when you were going out to the clubs, you 151 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 5: were driving some pretty bad ass cars in those days, 152 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 5: weren't you. 153 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: Well, I always like to have nice cars. Actually back 154 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: in the early days, I don't know, I had kind 155 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: of I had Volkswagen for a while in the early 156 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: seventies and then actually the best car was in nineteen 157 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: when it was in seventy six. My brother found me 158 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: a car for three hundred dollars. Somebody was trying to 159 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: get rid of it. It was a twenty five year 160 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: old car. It was in nineteen fifty four Buick with 161 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: only twenty five thousand miles h her. It was amazing, 162 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: with a perfect condition, old classic rock and roll fifties car. 163 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: And then I drove that for about five years until 164 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: I crashed it. 165 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: But I know some of the artists that you were 166 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 3: hanging around with that they would pull up, you know, 167 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 3: they were playing a gig or something, and they saw 168 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 3: that Bob was in the house. 169 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 4: They felt really comfortable because they saw your car. 170 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: Ye. Debbie Harry mentioned that, which was giving me an award 171 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: one time, and she said that she came up to 172 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: Seabees and she saw my car. She knew it was 173 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: an okay, nice she hadn't made a mistake and come 174 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: on her long night. 175 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 5: You were a reassuring. 176 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: Figure that if I was there, then something good was 177 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: going to be happening. I thought that was really nice. 178 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 5: That's beautiful. 179 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 180 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 4: So do you remember the first time meeting John? 181 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: Uh? 182 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: The first time I met John there? 183 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 5: Yeah? 184 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: Well, if actually the first time I saw it John 185 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: and Yoko was at the Apollo Theater. We'd all read 186 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: that they came to New York. They were seen riding 187 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: bicycles around the village. I mean, everybody wanted to meet 188 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: you on a Yoko, But you don't really go to 189 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: their door and then hang out, you know, at at 190 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: least I don't. But then I was said, I went 191 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: to the Apollo Theater for a benefit concert to benefit 192 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: the prisoners families the prisoners who rioted at the Attica Prison, 193 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: and uh, much too much about John and Yoko over there. 194 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: And I took a couple of pictures when they were 195 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: on stage, and then they were waiting for their car backstage, 196 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: and a bunch of people were taking pictures snapshots, you know, 197 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: like selfies, would call 'em now, and John's at one 198 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: point said people are always taking our picture and we 199 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: never see it. What happens with these pictures? And I said, well, 200 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: I live around the corner from me. I'll show you 201 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: my pictures. And he said you live around in the corner. 202 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: I said yeah. He said, well slip them under the 203 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: door then, and I thought that was very neighborly, you know, 204 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: And and that was our first conversation, if you call 205 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: out a conversation. But I went by the house and 206 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: I didn't quite slip under the door. I rang the bell. 207 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: Much to my surprise, Jerry Rubin answered the door. I 208 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: didn't know he did that sort of thing, but he 209 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: asked if I was if they were expecting me, and 210 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: I said no, and I just left the pictures. And 211 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: later on we did get me friends Joko mentioned that 212 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: they were very aware of that, like who was that, 213 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: who didn't want to meet us? Who just dropped something off, 214 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, And and I think they liked the pictures. 215 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: So it was a few months later when I was 216 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: I was including the first book of rock and roll 217 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: photography called The Photography of Rock and yeah, we'd crossing. 218 00:10:51,120 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: He's probably quieter up. So it was I got an 219 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: assignment to take pictures of them, and I went to 220 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: the hotel to take pictures, and I remember the reporter 221 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 1: saying they weren't ready for you know, they weren't expecting me, 222 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: but they would feel better and anyway, eventually let me 223 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: come up to take pictures. And as I was walking 224 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 1: down the hall, I remember feeling really nervous, like shaking. 225 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: I was going to meet you an Yoka. I couldn't 226 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: believe it, but I knew I couldn't take pictures shaking 227 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: like that, so I actually stopped in the hall. I 228 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: took a deep breath, and I kind of said to 229 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: myself that everything would be all right, because it was 230 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: all right. It could be better, but it didn't have 231 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: to be and it would only work if I just 232 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: calmed down, relaxed, and did what I did, and they 233 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: happened to like what I do, and so you became 234 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: their personal photographer over time. Yeah, I mean, as they 235 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: got to know me better and I got to know 236 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: them better, that I started working with them a lot more. 237 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: And then you build up a trust over time. So 238 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: that's what we did, and we got to know each 239 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: other better and better. And I'm still into with the 240 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: OCO today. Now it's fifty years later. 241 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 4: And how was you. 242 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: I met them in the spring of nineteen seventy two, 243 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: so it's been a while. Yoko's okay, she's doing well, 244 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: you know, like everybody, she's hiding out from the COVID 245 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: and the lockdown, but. 246 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 6: She's still artistically curious. 247 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: Always always re opened, an incredible inspiration. It's interesting because 248 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: John said in one of her books, Yoko said, or 249 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: in an interview, John said that she's the most famous 250 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: unknown artist. Everybody knows what Yoko is, and nobody knows 251 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: what she does. And that's kind of a fact because 252 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: although she has museum exhibits and art exhibits around the 253 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: world all the time, and more and more people are 254 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: finding out what she does, the majority of people find 255 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: out more about her than her art. Her art was 256 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: always they made fun of it because people didn't understand it. 257 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: But if you actually look at her art and start 258 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: to learn about it, her art is fascinating because it's 259 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: very simple. On the one hand, it's conceptual and there's 260 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: a lot of her orders just a sentence, but it's 261 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: a sentence that makes you think and feel. And people 262 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: don't like to feel, and they get very angry when 263 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: they have to get in touch with their feelings. And 264 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: instead of realizing that Yoko's really good at getting them 265 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: in touch with their feelings, they get really angry about 266 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: having feelings in the first place. So they take that 267 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: out on yoga and they say she's terrible. She made 268 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: me feel all these horrible thoughts, which is just not true. 269 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: She's really pretty amazing. She's always just talked about peace 270 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: and communication and bringing people together, and she gets constantly 271 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: attacked for that, which is just you know, but so 272 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: did Jesus and Gandhi and anybody who speaks about peace. 273 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: They always attack those people. 274 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 4: What did you think of the documentary? 275 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: Which one is always a documentary, Beatle's documentary, the Beatles documentary. 276 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: But that was fun. I mean, when I first started 277 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: wa it's like so tedious, and I've been I've spent 278 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: time hanging out in studios and musicians and it's a 279 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: really slow drawing out process, one note at a time. 280 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: How do you like this? How do you like this? 281 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: And you have to play it for three minutes? No, no, 282 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: let's try it a different way. You play it for 283 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: another three minutes. No, let's try it another way. To 284 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: try this beat, And it just goes on and on 285 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: and on, but every ten minutes. In the Beatles Documunity, 286 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: there was a gem of a phrase, you know, and 287 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: I mean speaking to Yoko. It was really funny when 288 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: Paul says, can you imagine it fifty years from now? 289 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: People were saying that the Beatles broke up because Yoko 290 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: sat on a ramp, and that's what people have been 291 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: saying for fifty years. It's just really so to see 292 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: Paul actually saying that, and the fact that they were 293 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: aware of those kind of wrong ideas. It was fascinating, 294 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: and also especially since it went on for so long 295 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: was it six hours or something, and it's just so tedious. 296 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: Then finally when they hit the roof, it was an explosion. 297 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a person who dances much, and 298 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: certainly I don't dance around my living room. But after 299 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: watching that and sitting here for hours and hours and hours, 300 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: all of a sudden it hit the roof. I was 301 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: literally jumped up and started dancing around my living room. Yeah, 302 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: it was that exciting. And I'm telling you that's not 303 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: something I've ever done before, but I found it really 304 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: exciting and just you know, a breath of fresh air 305 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: to hear the Beatles playing music live and having fun. 306 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: You know, it was great. 307 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 4: The camaraderie, right you know. 308 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: Well, also, yeah, to see them to be such good friends, 309 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: you know, I do wish we could have seen them 310 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: talking George into coming back into the group, but there's 311 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: no cameras around for that. But to see the different 312 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: personalities and how they played out and how they interacted, 313 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: it was fascinating, you know. So it was cool that 314 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: they had the footage, and it was cool that they 315 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: finally re edited to like a nice story out of it. 316 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 6: Well, just like your friend Henry Dilkes who hung around 317 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 6: as friends with you know, the various bands that he captured, 318 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 6: all of these folks were your friends and they were 319 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 6: a part of your posse, right, Well, yes and no. 320 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: I mean some people became friends, not all the people. 321 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: I mean so the people that photographed once. And you know, 322 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: I didn't become friends with James Brown. Oh I liked him, 323 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: but he didn't you know, get we didn't get too close. 324 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 4: But James Brown was James Brown, so. 325 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: He was very cool. The first time I met him, actually, 326 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: I was on a signing for Buddha Records and they 327 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: sent me to Washington, d C. He was doing three 328 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: days in the park somewhere and I was supposed to 329 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: take some pictures to him backstage to get some portraits, 330 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: not just the lives pictures on stage. And the first 331 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: day he was too busy, and I took great pictures 332 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: of the show. And it was back in the days 333 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: when he did the whole show and the you know, 334 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: the band would run off stage and change suits and 335 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: go from a pink suit to a blue suit, and 336 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: thirty seconds back on stage, still playing. At the end, 337 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: he would like start to leave stage, you know. Five 338 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: different times he would fall to his knees and they 339 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: would put a cape on him and he'd jump up 340 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: and throw the cape off and come back to the microphone. 341 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: Please please please meet, I mean he was just amazing, 342 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: amazing shows, but he didn't see me. He wouldn't post 343 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: for the pictures I needed for the record company. So 344 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: the second day, again he was too busy before the 345 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: show and I didn't get any time with him. The 346 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: third day they had I met him down in front 347 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: of the hotel and we were in the car going 348 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: to the show, and I had wanted to do the 349 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: pictures in the afternoon when it was daylight, and the 350 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: show was starting in the evening, of course, so as 351 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: we're driving, the sun is already going down, it's kind 352 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: of twilight. It's getting a little dark, and I'm hoping 353 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: I can get some pictures in him before against him dark. 354 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: And he tells me to get in a limo in 355 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: the front seat with him. So I'm between him and 356 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: the driver in the front seat of a limo, and 357 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: he decides to start telling me how to write a song. 358 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: And I'm not really a journalist or a writer, like, 359 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: I didn't really care, and I'm not taking notes or anything. 360 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: I'm there just to take pictures. And he's telling me 361 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: that if you get a baseline going and then you 362 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: change the baseline, you've changed the song. And every time 363 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: you get a new bassline to go with a new 364 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: drum line, you got a new song or something like that. 365 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not a musician. I don't I 366 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: wasn't taking notes, you know, but I just thought like, okay, 367 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: mister Brown, as soon as done, can we take some pictures, 368 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: you know. And we finally get to the theater and 369 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: get out of the car, and backstage he stands there 370 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: poses and by that time it was so dim. He's 371 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: a very dark dark man, you know. The people have 372 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: all kinds of different skin tones, and his was very 373 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: dark and in the dim light backstage, I didn't really 374 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: get very good pictures. It was. I got a good 375 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: picture of him on stage during the live show, but 376 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: the portraits that he posed for he was really dark 377 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: and the light was really dim, and it just didn't 378 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: come out well. The next time I saw him, I 379 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: again had an opportunity to do a photo session with him. 380 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: He was a little more cooperative that time. I got 381 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: some better pictures, but again it was so dark that 382 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: I didn't get the exposures right. He was still too dark. 383 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: The third time, we came out in front of the 384 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: hotel on Fifth Avenue, A fifty Ninth Street. He was 385 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: posing for me in a broad daylight in sunlight. That time. 386 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: I got some really good pictures that we but you 387 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: need a lot of light to take pictures that James 388 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: Brown to have him come out. 389 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 4: Well anyway, trial and error, right. 390 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: He's a funny guy. Also, one time I did a 391 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: video for him. My friend Vicky Wickham and Nona Hendricks, 392 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: they were good friends with James Brown. Vicky Wickham was 393 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: the producer for Ray City Go in England and she 394 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: was the first one to bring James Brown to England 395 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: as well as a lot of the other black American acts. 396 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: Vicky's amazing and she somebody had passed away and Vicky 397 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: was organizing a memorial and James Bond had agreed to 398 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: tape a thirty second tribute to whoever it was that 399 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: had passed away. And we were meeting him at the 400 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: Plaza Hotel and we got there and I remember Vicky 401 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: was very efficient and talked to the people and we 402 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 1: got a room to wait and we had like a 403 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: small ballroom where I set up some lights in the 404 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: video camera and we're waiting for mister Brown, and we're 405 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: waiting for mister Brown, and we're still waiting for him. 406 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: A couple hours later and we're still waiting for him, 407 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: like the whole afternoon. We're just sitting in his empty 408 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: ballroom waiting for James Brown. And he finally comes sailing 409 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: into the room fully wide awake. I don't know what 410 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: he was on, but he was wide awake and sat 411 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: down on the chair we had set up, looked right 412 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: in the camera, delivered a perfect message, got up and left. 413 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: He wasn't in the room for more than a minute, 414 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: and we made a thirty forty second video. But he 415 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: just came in, sat down, phone, knocked it out, and left. 416 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: It was perfect. I mean, he's a real professional. I'd 417 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: see him again anytime. Oh, I love it. I love it. Now. 418 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 6: Do you dream about some of these folks you've captured? 419 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: I don't dream about anything. No, No, it's I gave 420 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: up dreaming a long time ago. I don't know. Maybe 421 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: I just daydreamed too much, but no, I don't. Really. 422 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: I probably do dream, but I really rarely ever remember 423 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: any kind of dream. But no, I don't live in 424 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: the past. I mean I had a lot of good times. 425 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes I you know, remember a fun moment or so 426 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: like that, But I try to live in the present 427 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: and deal with all the things that are going on 428 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: to keep you alive nowadays. And you know, I look 429 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: to the future, I hope for things, but I basically 430 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: try to stay in the present. You know, all the 431 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: things I've done, I've done, I don't really need to 432 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: think about them when I'm thinking about what I could do, 433 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: what I will do. 434 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 4: Well, you have a very special heart for social causes. 435 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: You. I try to be helpful. 436 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 4: You always have. Maybe some you want to talk about 437 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 4: that are important. 438 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: Well, there's a couple of charities here in New York 439 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: that I support. The Food Bank, which not only helps 440 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: people eat, but they teach them how to cook. You know, 441 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: some organizations. Is a really good organization, God's Love We Deliver, 442 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: which brings food to people who can't go and get it. 443 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: But the food Bank actually brings food to cook and 444 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: teaches people how to cook and how to support themselves. 445 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: And if you can't eat, you can't even go and 446 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: start to look for a job, or to talk to anybody, 447 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: even to get help for welfare or anything. The basic 448 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: thing is you have to eat, you know, every day, 449 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: to have some energy to go and do the next thing. 450 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: So I think the Food Bank's a great organization to 451 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: help people survive, And another organization I like to support 452 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: is called her Justice, which is a large group over 453 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: a thousand lawyers who provide pro bono free legal service 454 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: for domestic violent victims who need orders of protection and 455 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 1: orders of divorce and just need help getting away from 456 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: an abusive partner. And legal legal help is extremely expensive, 457 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: and a lot of the people who need help don't 458 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: have the beginnings, don't even have money to get away, 459 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: much less hire a lawyer. So I think that her 460 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: Justice is a great organization helping people in dire straits 461 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: get out of the streets and get back on their 462 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: feet and have a decent model. Those are the two 463 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: main organizations that support, but also people like the Tibet 464 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:13,719 Speaker 1: Fund and the Rainforest Foundation and lots of different orders. 465 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: Whatever I can, because nowadays my pictures can raise money 466 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: for people, and you know, whenever I heard of us 467 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: organization raising money to help people, I always wanted to contribute. 468 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: But rock and roll photography is a very low budget operation. 469 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: I don't really make the kind of money that advertising 470 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: photographers or fashion photographers might make, so I never really 471 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: had money to donate to organizations, but now that my 472 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: pictures can encourage other people to donate, I donate pictures 473 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: all the time and do what I can. 474 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 4: Represented by Morrison Hotel Gallery. 475 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: Martina Hotel Galleries are the main gallery I work with. 476 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm not exclusive with anybody, but they're the main gallery 477 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: and they do very well nationwide and internationally on the internet. 478 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: They're very good. 479 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 4: So Bob and closing, Is there anything that you haven't 480 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 4: captured that you'd like to capture photo? 481 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: Well, not so much. What I try to capture actually 482 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: is freedom, because for me, rock and roll is about 483 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: the freedom to express your feelings very loudly in public. 484 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: And that's what I try to put in my pictures. 485 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: I try to capture some feelings and not just facts. 486 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: And I've done that a lot. And I like to 487 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: show my pictures. I like people to see them. I 488 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: like to capture that moment when everybody's screaming yay and 489 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: nobody's thinking about paying the rent. And I like people 490 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: to see my pictures and feel that moment and feel 491 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: free and feel some kind of openness and you know, 492 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: to relax a little into life. But as far as 493 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: trying to take more pictures now, I don't need to 494 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: do it. I don't. I mean, it's funny. Last Fall 495 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: is the new band Manuskin called me up out of 496 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: the blue. I had never heard of them, but they 497 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: had heard of me. Apparently they grew up looking at 498 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: my pictures and they wanted to meet me and have 499 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: a photo session. It was the first thing they wanted 500 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: to do when they came to New York. I was thrilled. 501 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: They're the biggest band of the world right now. They 502 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: are pretty amazing. I didn't know much. I didn't know 503 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: anything about them when they called me. I went to 504 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: see their show, and I thought the show was very 505 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: modern rock and roll, that they were communicated with their audience. 506 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: They talked to their audience. They looked like they were 507 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: having a good time, and when a band looks like 508 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: they're having a good time, the audience will have a 509 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: good time. And working with Manuskin was fun. They're a 510 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: very nice group of people, and you know, they're young 511 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: and interesting and very talented. So that was fun. But 512 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: I don't need to do that anymore. And I've written 513 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: my book, so have an autobiography that just came out 514 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: last year. That was very exciting to finally get that done. 515 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: They after wanting to do that for many years, recorded 516 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: audiobook for my biography. If people want to go and 517 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: listen to me tell the story instead of just reading 518 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: it themselves. So, you know, if you accomplished a lot. 519 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. There's not a lot I want to 520 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: do right now, because perhaps place my archive in a 521 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: good place so that people can have access to it 522 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: and my pictures last for a long time and encourage 523 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: and enlighten people having a good time. I'm old enough 524 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: to have grandchildren now. That's actually what I really enjoy 525 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: is seeing my grandchildren have a good time, seeing my 526 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: son be successful. That's what's really interesting to me. Nowadays. 527 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: I really don't need to get on a bus with 528 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of the twenty two year olds drinking beer. 529 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: I did that with the class with the sex crystals 530 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: and Premier dolls, and it was a lot of fun. 531 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,479 Speaker 1: But at this point in my life, I don't need 532 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: to do it again, you know. I remember trying to 533 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: tell John Lennon come down to CBGB's it's lots of fun. 534 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: It always bands and people drinking and having a good time, 535 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: and he said, I did that in Hamburg. I don't 536 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: need to go back. And now I understand very much 537 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: what he means. You know, you get to a point 538 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: in your life where you've done it, you don't need 539 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: to do it again. You don't even need to keep 540 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: doing it. At this point, I wouldn't want to go 541 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: back to Max's and hang out with all of those 542 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: people because it's you know, we're all older. Things are different, 543 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: things change, you know, and I don't mind things changing. 544 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: I'm really glad to be older. That's what happens, you know, 545 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: like Keith Ridge, and I'm glad to be here, but 546 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: I'm glad to be anywhere. 547 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 4: You know, you were in the right place at the 548 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 4: right time. 549 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: I was, and that's the name of my book, Right place, 550 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: right time, because I mean that just made things happen 551 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: for me. But it's not just being in the right 552 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: place at the right time. You have to then do 553 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: the right thing and make that situation work for you 554 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: and for whoever you're with. And I always found that 555 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: if I could make it work for them, then that 556 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: would work for me. So I would found that you 557 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: can be in a situation better if you can contribute 558 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: to the situation, if you're part of the scene, not 559 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: just visiting and observing and staring of people like they're weird. 560 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: But if you're part of the scene, then you can, 561 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, get a much more intimate view of it. 562 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 4: Thanks for sharing the West Village with me. 563 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,959 Speaker 1: All right. Yeah, this is my little neighborhood here. It's 564 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: nice about the river here and then up by the streets, 565 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: but there is this highway that goes by and makes 566 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: a lot of noise. It's beautiful. 567 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 4: I'm so grateful for your generosity. 568 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: It's kind of they're happy to be alive. Actually, I'm 569 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: happy to be alive whether it's raining or snowing or whatever. 570 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 4: There you go. 571 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: I like it all. 572 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 4: Thank you for taking a walk, all right, thank you. 573 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 5: Taking a Walk with buzz Night is available on Spotify, 574 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 5: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.