Speaker 1: Hello, Oh my gosh, Wait, is this the world's favoue?
Speaker 2: Gak? This is a get Go?
Speaker 3: How are you?
Speaker 2: Is this shave from Alabama?
Speaker 4: It sure is?
Speaker 2: What's what's going on with you? You know?
Speaker 3: Gak?
Speaker 1: I've been having a little bit.
Speaker 4: Of an existential crisis lately.
Speaker 1: Something's been on my mind for a while, and I
Speaker 1: haven't talked to anybody about it, and I thought who
Speaker 1: better to share it with than a get Go? So
Speaker 1: here I am.
Speaker 4: So I guess, like.
Speaker 1: The short version of the story is I kind of
Speaker 1: think my ex boyfriend was like a cannibal, but like
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't have like proof of that.
Speaker 2: But what is it that makes you believe that he
Speaker 2: is a cannibal?
Speaker 1: So let me just start kind of from the beginning. Okay,
Speaker 1: So me and this ex we were both and we're
Speaker 1: both in medical school together barely stand up guy. You know,
Speaker 1: we were like kind of basically best friends all through
Speaker 1: undergrad of college leading up to that year of medical
Speaker 1: school and last year, you know, we were just close
Speaker 1: friends whatever, and you know, he asked me out whatever,
Speaker 1: and within our relationship he was like really into like
Speaker 1: biting me like on the ear anywhere that I had
Speaker 1: like a lot of like fad I guess, like my
Speaker 1: inner size or my stomach area, to the point where
Speaker 1: it became like kind of like a big issue with
Speaker 1: the relationship because I would bleed and he would like
Speaker 1: enjoy like drinking the blood. Like it was so fucking weird,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know how to quite explain it, and
Speaker 1: I just thought it was like a weird like kink.
Speaker 1: And I couldn't really tell any of like my med
Speaker 1: school friends because they were also like type A and like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, just like really Southern esque,
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't know, I just didn't really
Speaker 1: feel like comfortable talking to them about it, so I
Speaker 1: just kind of kept it internal, and it just kind
Speaker 1: of got like really weird, and it just it kind
Speaker 1: of grows me out. But I just, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I was stupid, and I just like I was so
Speaker 1: stressed with school I didn't really have time to like
Speaker 1: address it, so I just kept it going whatever. And
Speaker 1: then one day it was like Thanksgiving break and we
Speaker 1: went to his parents' lake house, just like the two
Speaker 1: of us, and we both got like super busted drunk,
Speaker 1: like I don't think we've ever both been that drunk before,
Speaker 1: and we were just we're like really interested in like
Speaker 1: serial killers and stuff, you know. So we were just
Speaker 1: talking about like Ted Bundy and all this crap, and
Speaker 1: we got on the topic of like like cannibalism because
Speaker 1: I remember we read about this one guy who like
Speaker 1: was like on LSD and he just like ripped someone's
Speaker 1: face off, you know. So we were talking about that
Speaker 1: and then like he jokingly was I joking. LI said,
Speaker 1: like would you ever like eat me or something? And
Speaker 1: he's like, you know what, I'm so glad you brought
Speaker 1: it up because I've been wanting to for so long.
Speaker 1: And then I was drunk and he was drunk, so
Speaker 1: I just kind of like laughed it off. But then
Speaker 1: he like goes to like detail kind of telling me
Speaker 1: like how he would do it, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: at that point, I was kind of scared. Like he
Speaker 1: was telling me how he would like cut off like
Speaker 1: my thigh meats, and that kind of reminded me of
Speaker 1: how he always bites my thigh. And then he told
Speaker 1: me like he would like to sear it and like
Speaker 1: put it with soy sauce, and it was just such
Speaker 1: a vivid detail. It just seemed like he had really
Speaker 1: thought it out before, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 1: he just kept going on and on, and then that's
Speaker 1: what I just kind of got creeped out. And then
Speaker 1: I was trying to keep my calm, you know. And
Speaker 1: the next morning I left, and then I just kind
Speaker 1: of told my close friend everything that was going on,
Speaker 1: and she like was kind of shocked because like I
Speaker 1: hadn't told her any of this stuff before that was
Speaker 1: going on or whatever. And yeah, I kind of ended
Speaker 1: up just ghosting him. And now I see his face
Speaker 1: all the time, I mean, not for Arcy school, medical school,
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of kind of strange.
Speaker 2: You know, when he was telling you that he wanted
Speaker 2: to eat you, how did you respond to him at first?
Speaker 1: You know, being so drunk, I was just kind of
Speaker 1: laughing it off, like like just kind of like a
Speaker 1: nervous giggle, and I just was kind of giving him
Speaker 1: this confused look. So he kind of kept elaborating to me.
Speaker 1: I didn't really know how to respond to that, and
Speaker 1: to be honest, I was kind of out of it,
Speaker 1: being so like drunk, so I didn't really say anything.
Speaker 1: And the kind of the crazy thing is is what
Speaker 1: kind of makes this like theory I guess valid to me?
Speaker 1: Is he kind of never like like he doesn't talk
Speaker 1: to me at all. He hasn't talked to our friend
Speaker 1: group at all anymore. Like he just kind of like
Speaker 1: I think he's afraid that, Like I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: people because like if you was joking and being funny
Speaker 1: about it, go.
Speaker 4: Ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2: So you had this night with him where he told
Speaker 2: you he was going to eat June, And about how
Speaker 2: long had you been dating him up until that point?
Speaker 4: Three months?
Speaker 1: We were together for about three months.
Speaker 2: We were together for three months, and you said that
Speaker 2: after that night you just ghosted him. You didn't have
Speaker 2: any sort of convert you have it. When's the last
Speaker 2: time you had any sort of contact with this person?
Speaker 1: Well, we don't really probably like why say hi hello,
Speaker 1: because like we're both like in medical school together and
Speaker 1: our classes small.
Speaker 2: Okay, so so so so, So this is a person
Speaker 2: that you still interact with pretty regularly in your classes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's kind of like isolated himself from our
Speaker 1: entire like friend group. Only one of my friends knows
Speaker 1: this story, and no one else does to my knowledge
Speaker 1: at least, What.
Speaker 2: Did your friend tell you to do.
Speaker 1: In response to this, she was, Okay, like I said,
Speaker 1: all these people that go to my school, like they're
Speaker 1: very like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Very judgmental about cannibalism.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I don't really necessarily agree with cannibalism myself,
Speaker 1: but I mean, besides besides that, I would say they're
Speaker 1: very like conservative.
Speaker 2: Yeah what did What did your friends say when you
Speaker 2: told her that?
Speaker 1: Basically just oh my gosh, like this is crazy, like
Speaker 1: you got to break up with him, Like she was
Speaker 1: really worried for me, so you know, I was worried
Speaker 1: to I guess seeing how worried she was, so I
Speaker 1: just followed in that suit, I guess.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I think that there is is, for sure
Speaker 2: a reason to worry if a man is uh drinking
Speaker 2: your blood and telling you he wants to eat you,
Speaker 2: I think that that is a good situation to get
Speaker 2: out of. I'm glad to hear it doesn't sound to
Speaker 2: me like this guy has reached out to you, since
Speaker 2: he's not like stalking you. He's not texting you a bunch,
Speaker 2: she's not trying to find you. He's not looking for
Speaker 2: any sort of closure about the three months you just
Speaker 2: simply I'm very, very confused at how this whole thing ended,
Speaker 2: because you are still seeing him day to day and
Speaker 2: he hasn't like followed up with you. He hasn't been like, hey,
Speaker 2: let me, let's let's see each other. He hasn't been
Speaker 2: trying to contact.
Speaker 6: You, no.
Speaker 1: I mean he's given me like stolen glances across like
Speaker 1: the room and stuff like that. I mean, I've even
Speaker 1: trying to talk to his best friend who's like within
Speaker 1: our friend group about it, and he isn't even talking
Speaker 1: to him at all. So it's like really strange. Like
Speaker 1: I guess we both kind of goes to each other
Speaker 1: in a sense. Sure, like he kind of like I
Speaker 1: like really broke it off like really quick because I
Speaker 1: was scared in the moment and I really didn't want
Speaker 1: to address the topic because I was kind of afraid
Speaker 1: to like know the truth, I guess, and then he,
Speaker 1: I guess, like I don't know, like he just hasn't
Speaker 1: talked to me at all since, So it's just kind
Speaker 1: of awkward between both of us, and I guess I'm
Speaker 1: wondering like if I should like reach out to him
Speaker 1: to get that closure. But I'm also a little bit like.
Speaker 4: Scared to do.
Speaker 2: So, Yeah, I don't think you need to reach back
Speaker 2: out to him. I'm just glad to hear that he
Speaker 2: I mean, how long has it been since you, uh,
Speaker 2: since he told you he wanted to eat you?
Speaker 1: This was like over Thanksgiving break this past year.
Speaker 2: Oh, this was a while ago. This was a long
Speaker 2: time ago. Okay, yeah, this was a long time right,
Speaker 2: all right, So this was a long time ago. And
Speaker 2: in these past seven months he has not tried to
Speaker 2: contact you and tried to say anything to you anything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Now, but it's still super awkward him being like.
Speaker 2: I would I would share, I would share, I would
Speaker 2: let this go. I don't think you should. I don't.
Speaker 2: I have no fucking idea what's up with this guy?
Speaker 2: You have no fucking idea with Nobody has any idea
Speaker 2: what's up with this guy? As long as he's not
Speaker 2: trying to you, continue to talk to you, or like,
Speaker 2: you know, uh, be involved with you. I think you
Speaker 2: just let this let this go.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'm glad that I'm kind of stewing myself
Speaker 1: in the right direction, so I.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it for sure. Is there anything else you want
Speaker 2: to say to the people of the computer Shai.
Speaker 1: No, but I really love your show. I think you're
Speaker 1: doing an awesome job and gek forever man than doing
Speaker 1: this Man, I appreciate it. Yeah YouTube man by.
Speaker 2: Gotts tell us, Okay, let's see what do you do
Speaker 2: when a person says that they want to eat you?
Speaker 2: That is a weird situation because, on one hand, if
Speaker 2: a person says that they want to eat you and
Speaker 2: she's all, she's over here, like is he joking? Is
Speaker 2: he like, what the fuck? I'm over here like is
Speaker 2: he joking? Is he like? What the fuck? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I have no fucking idea. I'm glad you share that
Speaker 2: with us. This is one of those calls, and I
Speaker 2: get a lot of these calls. Again, this show is
Speaker 2: not about giving advice. This show is about being a
Speaker 2: gecko and talking to people on the phone. I have
Speaker 2: no idea what the fuck to do. That's a crazy situation.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that it's been seven months. Although what I'm
Speaker 2: a little scared of is is it possible that he
Speaker 2: fucking found some other girl to drink her blood and
Speaker 2: that's why he's not talking to Shay anymore. But I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know if Shay needs to get
Speaker 2: all involved in this, and you know what, before we
Speaker 2: move on. I don't take a lot of stands on
Speaker 2: this show, you know. I don't talk a lot about
Speaker 2: the issues. I try to just you know, be a
Speaker 2: gecko and kind of hang out. But I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: stand on this one. I'm gonna say right here, right now.
Speaker 2: I do not support eating other people. Pigs, cows, chickens,
Speaker 2: eat the fuck out of those things, but not people.
Speaker 2: Someone said, what if it's consensual cannibalism. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I believe, and I think most people believe this, that
Speaker 2: you should be able to do You should be able
Speaker 2: to do whatever you want in life as long as
Speaker 2: you're not hurting other people. So if two adults make
Speaker 2: the conscious decision with their bodies, with their souls of
Speaker 2: sound mind, to eat each other, man, we live in
Speaker 2: a world with so many questions. Let's talk to some
Speaker 2: people on the phone. Hello, Gek, Hi is this Andy?
Speaker 4: It is? What's up? Gek?
Speaker 2: Now much? What's going on with you? Andy? Not much?
Speaker 4: Dude? All right, So listen, I uh me and this
Speaker 4: girl broke up like five six months ago, right yep,
Speaker 4: and we stayed friends for the majority of that, and
Speaker 4: then maybe a week ago, she messages me tells me
Speaker 4: she wants to go to contact, she needs time to heal,
Speaker 4: needs me to like be her ex for a minute,
Speaker 4: Like okay, cool, Yeah, that's fine communication, h right, And
Speaker 4: two days after that, she shows up to my house
Speaker 4: unannounced to hang out with my grandmother. Well I'm not home.
Speaker 4: That's that's weird, right.
Speaker 2: She came to your house to hang out with your
Speaker 2: grandmother while you were not home.
Speaker 4: M Like, she gave her a birthday card and like whatever,
Speaker 4: that's nice, But she wasn't that close with my grandma
Speaker 4: to begin with, So, like what, I'm trying to understand
Speaker 4: the logic behind it, if there's any.
Speaker 2: She wasn't that close with your with your grandma to
Speaker 2: begin with.
Speaker 4: No, like they talked on the phone sometimes. She maybe
Speaker 4: accompanied me there twice for the year we were together.
Speaker 2: Why do you think she is continuing this relationship with
Speaker 2: your grandma?
Speaker 4: Personally? I think it's to get under my skin. But
Speaker 4: it's a weird situation. And what was she going to
Speaker 4: do if I had been home?
Speaker 2: Have you talked to your grandma about this and that
Speaker 2: it's bothering you?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I tried to my grandma is this sweet little
Speaker 4: old Christian lady, like she is a gem of this earth.
Speaker 4: So she's not like slighted about it. And I try
Speaker 4: to tell her. I'm like, look, I don't want her around.
Speaker 4: I'd rather you didn't talk to her. I don't want
Speaker 4: her to have access to my wife. And she's like, well,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna still talk to her. So I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's weird. It puts me in a weird spot.
Speaker 2: And have you talked to your ex about this?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And she gas lit me into thinking I was absolutely
Speaker 4: crazy for being bothered by it, told me she was
Speaker 4: gonna do whatever the fuck she wanted to go cry
Speaker 4: about it. And then I was like, okay, well stay
Speaker 4: away from me and my family, like you crossed the boundary.
Speaker 4: I'm not cool with it, Like I'm I'm just cutting ties.
Speaker 4: And when we ended the phone call, she said, Okay, well,
Speaker 4: when I'm on the verge of suicide, I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: call you. Okay, call a hotline, like what, don't call me?
Speaker 2: Andy? Does your grandmother live with you?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I currently live with my grandmother.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you live with your grandmother?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you're twenty five.
Speaker 4: Yes, we broke up right before we were supposed to
Speaker 4: renew our lease and I didn't have any other plans.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, no, no judgment. I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 2: your situation there, because clearly the next step is, uh
Speaker 2: to move out of your grandma's house. Oh for sure,
Speaker 2: what is your plan to do that?
Speaker 4: I'm looking at like little one bedrooms. Thing is I
Speaker 4: have a pitbull and some places are like really restrictive
Speaker 4: on breathe. It's in the works. It's just a matter
Speaker 4: of getting everything kind.
Speaker 3: Of set in motion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you should move out of your grandma's house.
Speaker 2: As far as what to do in the meantime, you
Speaker 2: might have to just deal with it in the meantime
Speaker 2: because if you've talked to your ex and she's not
Speaker 2: receptive to your feelings about how it's a boundary crosser,
Speaker 2: and you've talked to your grandma and she's not receptive
Speaker 2: about your feelings about how it's a a boundary crosser,
Speaker 2: then the next move is to go, well, guys, have
Speaker 2: fun together. I'm gonna go have absolutely nothing to do.
Speaker 4: With this, right, just kind of removing from the situation altogether.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, And it sounds like you are on the
Speaker 2: trajectory towards moving out, and in the meantime you might
Speaker 2: just have to fucking deal with it if you've already
Speaker 2: expressed to both of these parties that it's not cool,
Speaker 2: and neither of them have been receptive to that, Right.
Speaker 4: I just I think it's just weird. Like I've never
Speaker 4: broken up with someone and then went to go hang
Speaker 4: out with their family, Like weird?
Speaker 2: Would you if like their grandma was really cool?
Speaker 4: Maybe, but like I would want to have like express
Speaker 4: consent from my ex to do so, just because I
Speaker 4: see it as like a heart boundary, Like that's when
Speaker 4: you break up with someone, you break up with their family.
Speaker 2: Like, well, this is hard because you can express your
Speaker 2: feelings to both your ex and to your grandma, and
Speaker 2: then after that they're gonna do what they're gonna do.
Speaker 2: You can't control the behavior of your grandmother or of
Speaker 2: your ex, but you can move out and cut contact
Speaker 2: with both of them to the degree that you need to,
Speaker 2: and sort of remove yourself from the situation and be like,
Speaker 2: all right, you guys, have fun. I will be way
Speaker 2: over there, right. What is your name again, Andy? Andy? Well? Andy,
Speaker 2: you're not crazy? I'm sorry that this price is making
Speaker 2: you feel like you are, and I hope that you
Speaker 2: are successful in moving out of there soon.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Gag of course, man, you have a good night, you too, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I agree. I think that is a boundary crosser. And
Speaker 2: I think what's worse is that, you know, every time
Speaker 2: every single call, I always I'm like, well, okay, did
Speaker 2: you tell this person this thing that you're saying about them?
Speaker 2: And he did and both of them were not receptive
Speaker 2: to it. So at that point, he's just got to
Speaker 2: get out of there. I don't think he can control
Speaker 2: what his grandmother does, but I do think that if
Speaker 2: it's making him uncomfortable that his grandma is keeping in
Speaker 2: touch with his ex girlfriend, he's expressed that to her.
Speaker 2: His grandma does not care. I think he does need
Speaker 2: to throw up his hands and go, well, I'm not
Speaker 2: in control of what my ex girlfriend does. I'm not
Speaker 2: in control of what my grandma does. But I am
Speaker 2: in control of how close I want to be to
Speaker 2: that shit, and I'm going to choose to be far
Speaker 2: from it.
Speaker 7: Yep, Hello, how are you good? How you doing doing good?
Speaker 7: It is this Dan, Yes, it is what's going on Dan.
Speaker 3: Uh not much. I was calling the shows. He told
Speaker 3: you I was calling.
Speaker 2: About, right, Uh, I say that one more time, MANI.
Speaker 3: Katie obviously told you what I was calling about. Right, Well, what.
Speaker 2: Enough about that? Let you know we're we're here together,
Speaker 2: you and me. What are you calling about?
Speaker 3: So I've been having this issue ladies with my sexuality.
Speaker 3: But so I've been in a relationship for about uh
Speaker 3: like six or seven years now with a girl. And
Speaker 3: so my co worker, he's kind of new. He came
Speaker 3: in during COVID like a year and a half ago.
Speaker 3: His name's Paul with Ah, you know, little Asian guy,
Speaker 3: and he's a que his health and uh, me and him,
Speaker 3: you know, we basically not the same. We have had sex,
Speaker 3: but we pooled around a bit a couple of times.
Speaker 3: So yeah, my thing is, I'm not really sure what
Speaker 3: to do at this point because I'm in a serious relationship.
Speaker 3: Well kind of get some advice.
Speaker 2: Or Okay, so you're in a six year you're in
Speaker 2: a six year relationship. You let's just I mean, let's
Speaker 2: just say it. You cheat on your girlfriend?
Speaker 3: Kind of.
Speaker 2: You cheat on your girlfriend, I guess, so yeah, you
Speaker 2: could say that, are you now? Uh? Thinking to yourself
Speaker 2: that you are going to break up with your girlfriend
Speaker 2: and start dating men.
Speaker 3: No, it's more of like, I don't know. I was thinking,
Speaker 3: I think I can get away with just pooling around
Speaker 3: with my cowork and no one will find out. I
Speaker 3: don't know. I'm not comfortable with coming.
Speaker 2: Out and you know, well you're you're asking me if
Speaker 2: I if I think that, if I think you can
Speaker 2: get away with it without anyone finding out, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know if to tell you truth, because it's
Speaker 3: it's a weird situation because I only see him at work.
Speaker 3: I've never hung out with socially. It's more of like,
Speaker 3: you know, we've been in like those no pun intending
Speaker 3: but well.
Speaker 2: Okay before I don't want to hear the punt. But
Speaker 2: the you are asking me if you can get away
Speaker 2: with it?
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess. I mean, I mean in a
Speaker 3: you know, in a perfect world.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Well, obviously the answer to that is you know you can.
Speaker 2: You can? Yeah, if you wanted to hide it, sure,
Speaker 2: But uh, are you adverse to telling your girlfriend what happened?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know how she would take it. Tell you truth,
Speaker 3: I mean, if it was with another girl. I mean,
Speaker 3: I know, necessarily, I mean, I guess I don't know
Speaker 3: how she would take it either way. I mean, either
Speaker 3: way it's cheating on her. But if I came to
Speaker 3: a little with the guy, she might she might flip
Speaker 3: the fuck.
Speaker 2: Out, she would she might flip the fuck out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Why do you think she like flipped the fuck out?
Speaker 3: Because we've talked about, like, you know, getting married and
Speaker 3: having kids and shit like that. So it's like, no,
Speaker 3: I know, I'm having sex with men.
Speaker 2: You know. Okay, Well, uh, if you're having sex with
Speaker 2: guys outside of your relationship, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Well I was gonna say not necessarily sex, but I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: Say okay, Well, I mean, listen, are you do you
Speaker 2: do you want to get married to this person and
Speaker 2: have children and whatnot.
Speaker 3: That's the thing I thought I did until until Paul
Speaker 3: came into my life.
Speaker 2: Okay, and now you're thirty five and you're sort of
Speaker 2: rediscovering that you might be interested in men.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry say that again. I missed that.
Speaker 2: You're thirty five and now you're discovering that you might
Speaker 2: be interested that it meant.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's not the first time that I've
Speaker 3: fooled around men before, but in the past like seven years, haven't. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying. I'm not saying I'm against being that.
Speaker 3: It's just more so, like, you know, I'm from that
Speaker 3: generation of you know, I don't want to come out
Speaker 3: as homosexual.
Speaker 2: You know. Okay, so you're just now getting to a
Speaker 2: point where you would be comfortable coming out as homosexual.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's it's more so along the lines of, like,
Speaker 3: what shall I tell Paul, my coworker, because he knows
Speaker 3: I'm in a relationship and he really likes me, and
Speaker 3: I mean not to you know, not to get too
Speaker 3: many details, but he's a little ceutie time. I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna lie.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me think about this for like a second.
Speaker 2: What is important to you?
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, have having fun? I guess really,
Speaker 3: I mean, I know, I know where you're getting at
Speaker 3: with that question, but.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not getting anything. I'm trying to get
Speaker 2: at the truth. What is what are you? What is
Speaker 2: important to.
Speaker 3: So basically, I mean, I don't know if it's really
Speaker 3: important to me. I mean, besides my family, I mean,
Speaker 3: my girlfriend is important to me. I love her, but
Speaker 3: I know this new uh, this new found love that
Speaker 3: I'm having with ball it basically I don't know. I
Speaker 3: really care about him too as well. He's important to
Speaker 3: me as well well.
Speaker 2: Because here's the thing. Okay, if you're a relationship with
Speaker 2: your girlfriend, if you're if you're gonna be in a
Speaker 2: monogamous relationship with a person, uh, if you make that
Speaker 2: decision that that's what you want to do, yeah, you
Speaker 2: gotta sacrifice fucking hooking up with other people if you
Speaker 2: make the decision to being an by anongamous relationship. And
Speaker 2: you know, man, if you you know, because as you said,
Speaker 2: you when you were a little bit younger, it sounds
Speaker 2: like you were less comfortable with your sexuality, but now
Speaker 2: you're getting more comfortable with it. And if you make
Speaker 2: the decision that you were like, Okay, I actually don't
Speaker 2: want to be with my girlfriend anymore. I want to
Speaker 2: start trying to date men. You know, you're you're a
Speaker 2: person of your own agency. You should be able to
Speaker 2: do that. But what what what what is not fair
Speaker 2: to her is if you do that behind her back.
Speaker 2: So if that's what you decide you want to do,
Speaker 2: I think it's okay too. And I make different calls
Speaker 2: in life.
Speaker 3: I got you off real quick, sure, not to uh
Speaker 3: just sketch you up, just just so you know, a
Speaker 3: few years back she did cheat on me, and I
Speaker 3: forgave her for it. Okay, Now that not to say
Speaker 3: that that's why I'm doing this. It's just again someone
Speaker 3: came into my life. Whatever. But I mean that's what
Speaker 3: I think too. So I think you take it like
Speaker 3: that and said, hey, now I'm having sex with Paul.
Speaker 3: Like she'd be like, oh shit, like he did it
Speaker 3: because I you know, I on her, which she believes
Speaker 3: I gave her for it, but I did so I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's like subconsciously forget.
Speaker 2: Dan, Dan, do you love this person.
Speaker 3: Paul?
Speaker 2: Uh? Your girlfriend or my girlfriend?
Speaker 3: I do? I do love her?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, do you feel like she loves you?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think so. I mean we talked
Speaker 3: of like I said, we talk about having a getting married,
Speaker 3: you know, we basically talk about having kids. But I
Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe I don't know. I thought she didn't.
Speaker 3: I think she does. I should say, because.
Speaker 2: Like, and here's the thing this is, this does this
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be some like crazy catastrophic thing. Just
Speaker 2: talk to her and I know what you mean. And
Speaker 2: if you guys really do love each other, talk it
Speaker 2: out and fucking work it out, you know. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: she might. She might say. She might, she might say
Speaker 2: to you and yeah, yeah, it's a scary thing to do.
Speaker 2: It's a scary thing to have tough conversations with people.
Speaker 2: It's a scary thing.
Speaker 3: If she might beat me up, dude, I mean, if
Speaker 3: you knew who she was, so I punched me her
Speaker 3: in the face, Tilly Drew, I don't want that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan, she might.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I'm I don't know if you've
Speaker 3: ever been to Boston, bro, but it's how girls act
Speaker 3: around here. That's why. That's why I feel bad for
Speaker 3: Paul though, because Paul sees me talking to her and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and you know, and he's always like, no,
Speaker 3: why don't you have time for me? You know, like,
Speaker 3: why don't we hang out? Stuff like that? Like what
Speaker 3: should I say to Paul?
Speaker 2: You don't. I don't worry about Paul right now. You
Speaker 2: got to deal with what's going on with your girlfriend.
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I mean, yeah, you're right, But at
Speaker 3: the same time, I really want and I feel like,
Speaker 3: I'm kind of like leading him on as well. He's
Speaker 3: openly gay.
Speaker 2: Dan, Dan, if you if you want to pursue a
Speaker 2: relationship with Paul again, I don't think there's anything wrong
Speaker 2: with calling an audible in your life, but it's it
Speaker 2: wouldn't be fair to your girlfriend to do it behind
Speaker 2: her back, so you need to talk to her about it.
Speaker 4: Hmm.
Speaker 3: Do you think that you think that she would Uh,
Speaker 3: she would think that I would cheating on her because
Speaker 3: of what happened before.
Speaker 2: I have absolutely no idea what she would think. And
Speaker 2: I think that it would be stupid of us to
Speaker 2: sit here and speculate about it. And I think that
Speaker 2: if you really want to find out the answer to
Speaker 2: that question, you should go find out the answer to
Speaker 2: that question.
Speaker 3: Oh that's hard, though, it is hard. But so if
Speaker 3: I if I do do that, yeah, then I mean
Speaker 3: I'm basically uprooting my life everything I've known the past
Speaker 3: six seven years. It's true. And now what now?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yes, you would be uprooting your life. You would then
Speaker 2: be a thirty five single game man.
Speaker 3: Hm, And you think I should instantly like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure Paul wants a relationship at this moment. Okay,
Speaker 3: Like you think I should just know, like ask if
Speaker 3: you you know, I want to start dating.
Speaker 2: Dan, go talk to your girlfriend about this situation, and
Speaker 2: then afterwards you can kind of figure out what you're
Speaker 2: gonna do with Paul.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But that's the thing though, if I, uh, my
Speaker 3: main thing is like I don't want to blow up
Speaker 3: that piece if the other piece is gonna work out. Like, honestly,
Speaker 3: I guess I should start off with more of like
Speaker 3: what should I do with Paul, because I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: lie I'm really into Paul.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm gonna this is the last thing
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say to you when you say I don't
Speaker 2: want to blow off that piece in case if the
Speaker 2: other piece is working out, Dan, you got Dan, you
Speaker 2: got one chance to live on the fucking universe. Uh,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna get married to someone, if you're gonna like,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna like really be with somebody, and you know,
Speaker 2: this is part of the reason why I I don't
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of I haven't had a
Speaker 2: lot of like, uh, monogamous relationships in my life is
Speaker 2: because it's a big commitment. Then I you know, it's
Speaker 2: a whole thing. It's a thing.
Speaker 3: Do you think it's it's ament.
Speaker 2: I'm totally afraid of commitment.
Speaker 3: Oh. I thought it might have to do with the
Speaker 3: fact that you dress up as a get go.
Speaker 2: It could be something there too, But but Dan, if
Speaker 2: you're gonna make that commitment, then fucking make it or
Speaker 2: don't make it? What do you what are you doing
Speaker 2: being like, oh this if this one doesn't work out,
Speaker 2: I got this one. It's like, you don't want to
Speaker 2: be with a person because a thing with a didn't
Speaker 2: person another person didn't work out. It's not a good
Speaker 2: reason to be in a relationship. But that's not a
Speaker 2: good reason to do anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean, like, I mean, I know people
Speaker 3: who were married and still like mess around. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just I mean, I know it sounds stupid because
Speaker 3: again I'm a little bit older where times are changing.
Speaker 3: But it's just different than I'm you know, going after
Speaker 3: a guy. It's not like another girl, but another girl,
Speaker 3: I might not I might feel different about it. Just
Speaker 3: it's different for me to be going after a guy
Speaker 3: and Paul. I mean, I'm honestly, I hope Paul is
Speaker 3: listening right now, because I love you, Paul, I really do.
Speaker 2: All right, I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 3: Dan, all right, lady, gega boy.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sure if that was a
Speaker 2: real person, but it doesn't matter. All right, Dan, Dan
Speaker 2: is an interesting predicament here, Jesus Christ, all right, I
Speaker 2: don't have anything else to say about Dan. That's about on.
Speaker 7: Hellope, hey the get hi?
Speaker 2: What's your name?
Speaker 6: Jackson?
Speaker 2: Jackson? What's going on with you?
Speaker 6: I'm showing in my car right now. It actually relates
Speaker 6: to what I called about.
Speaker 2: Please tell me more.
Speaker 6: So, I don't know where should I start, Like yesterday
Speaker 6: where I like almost crashed in ninety miles an hour or.
Speaker 2: What did you You tried to say that in like
Speaker 2: a cool way?
Speaker 6: No, no, actually it was quite terrifying.
Speaker 2: But no, let's start from the beginning. Let's just start.
Speaker 2: We can start. You want to start.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So basically, I'm a car dude. I love fast cars.
Speaker 6: I actually build fast cars for work, and I'm like
Speaker 6: addicted now to weaving in and out of traffic and
Speaker 6: going like every drive I take, I'm like one twenty
Speaker 6: like is average?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: I love drifting on the streets like I will take
Speaker 6: like on ramps fucking sliding.
Speaker 5: But like.
Speaker 6: It's gotten to the point where like it's a problem
Speaker 6: now because I'm interviewing.
Speaker 2: With other people. Yeah, keep going.
Speaker 6: So I mean, like even like after work, I've noticed,
Speaker 6: like I drive home from work at like the same time,
Speaker 6: and I take the same highway. It's like four lanes,
Speaker 6: so I'm always fucking I use I utilize all lanes.
Speaker 6: I do use my turn signal though, so that is
Speaker 6: good that I let other drivers know. But it's gotten
Speaker 6: to the point where I see the same cars and
Speaker 6: I instantly get over, like they they instantly move out
Speaker 6: the way. You can just get right back after I pass.
Speaker 6: I don't know if they're afraid. I think they're like, oh,
Speaker 6: this car is gonna fucking fly past me.
Speaker 2: Anyways, Okay, Jackson, Jackson, let's slow down here. Why do
Speaker 2: you drive like this?
Speaker 6: I don't really know. I like it, Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 6: It's like it's it's average to me now. I don't
Speaker 6: feel any like concern. I'm like desensitized to it.
Speaker 2: I guess, okay, you you need to stop driving. You
Speaker 2: can't do this because you're gonna because it looks like, dude,
Speaker 2: you know if you if you do, if you do
Speaker 2: some ship where you know you you are addicted to
Speaker 2: some reckless behavior that will fuck you up. You know,
Speaker 2: that's that's one thing that's not good. But this, this
Speaker 2: is gonna fuck up someone else, Like this is not
Speaker 2: to be fucked the car car cars not to be
Speaker 2: fucked around with. You know, this is not cool because
Speaker 2: you could just fuck someone else's thing up. It's just
Speaker 2: not cool to do. It's one of those things that
Speaker 2: just makes me like it's just so dumb. Jackson. Don't
Speaker 2: do this. Yeah, don't, don't stop. Give your keys to
Speaker 2: your mom or something until you can like figure this out, man,
Speaker 2: because this is not cool for you. It's not cool
Speaker 2: for anybody.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm. I've also noticed it like depends on the
Speaker 6: music I'm listening to as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, jack no, don't blame it on the music. No no, Jackson,
Speaker 2: don't blame it on the music.
Speaker 6: I'm not trying to blame it on the music. I'm
Speaker 6: trying to let's say it like, it definitely increases my
Speaker 6: thought to because like I can drive normal. It's just like.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you can, if you Jackson, if you can
Speaker 2: drive normal, Jackson, if you can drive normal, drive normal. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is not cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like, man, if you're telling me that you're like, you know,
Speaker 2: into into gambling or drugs or any other sort of
Speaker 2: like process addiction or something, then you know, go get help,
Speaker 2: you know, because that'll fuck you up. This will fuck
Speaker 2: other people up too, you know, go if you do.
Speaker 2: If you do you genuinely feel like you have like
Speaker 2: a process addiction and you need help.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but like here's okay, I don't feel.
Speaker 2: Like we'll talk about's the thing.
Speaker 6: I like it, I enjoy it, but like, at the
Speaker 6: same time, I don't try and put people at too
Speaker 6: much of risk. No, you just definitely tell me that
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah to Actually, if you're driving one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: miles an hour, you're putting other people at risk. You
Speaker 2: need to if you feel like you have some sort
Speaker 2: of like I don't know, man, I don't know what's
Speaker 2: up with you. I don't know why you're addicted to danger.
Speaker 2: But you and look, man, you're you're a self aware person.
Speaker 2: You know this about yourself because a lot of people
Speaker 2: there's people on the road who are doing this who
Speaker 2: aren't like doing what you're doing right now, where they're
Speaker 2: going like, huh, this might be a problem. I need
Speaker 2: to figure this out. They're just you know, have a
Speaker 2: death wish and going hell, Mary, you know, I'm glad
Speaker 2: that you're self aware enough to know that this is
Speaker 2: a problem. But now that you're aware, you don't you
Speaker 2: fucking gotta handle this. Don't fucking drive like that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, the problem is it's so fucking.
Speaker 2: Hard, Like, why is it hard? Jackson?
Speaker 6: It's so easy, and at least in my card is
Speaker 6: fucking you barely flip the throttle and you're already sucking
Speaker 6: at a hundred.
Speaker 2: Jackson, Jackson, Clay, your dad, tell him take your fucking
Speaker 2: keys away until you can figure this out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I need them for I need to get to
Speaker 6: work though, that's the thing. I work.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you need to get to work to drive
Speaker 2: nor Jackson Jackson, Jackson, do you have a real therapist?
Speaker 6: No, my mom's actually a therapist.
Speaker 2: Though your mom's a therapis okay? Have you told your
Speaker 2: mom about it all?
Speaker 6: Well, she knows a little bit, but like, I'm afraid
Speaker 6: she fucking slipped the fuck out if like I showed
Speaker 6: her videos and ship.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jackson, you can't keep Jackson, you can't keep driving
Speaker 2: about you. You need to figure out some solutions to this.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I'm not gonna say I you
Speaker 2: know everything, there's there's process addictions that you like, you
Speaker 2: might have some sort of like weird adrenaline addiction or
Speaker 2: uh uh, something going on with yourself that you need
Speaker 2: to take care of. And like I said, I think
Speaker 2: it's good that you're self aware about it because that's
Speaker 2: the step one. But now you need to fix it, okay,
Speaker 2: And until you fix it, you don't. Until you fix it,
Speaker 2: don't fucking drive.
Speaker 6: Yeah, fuck man, cars are my goddamn life.
Speaker 2: That's okay. It's okay to like cars. It's okay to
Speaker 2: be into cars. It's okay to be into motors and stuff.
Speaker 2: But when you get on the road and you're with
Speaker 2: other people, you can't drive like an asshole and get
Speaker 2: a bunch of people care. Cars are fucked up, you know,
Speaker 2: cars are like I'm the reason I'm I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: not normally this aggressive with people on the phone, but
Speaker 2: I fucking hate cars so much because they're just they're
Speaker 2: just look I look at them the same way a
Speaker 2: lot of people probably look at guns or something like
Speaker 2: they're just you know, death traps, you know, And like
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna give you you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to be too aggressive here with you, man, because,
Speaker 2: like I'm telling you, you're self aware about this. So
Speaker 2: go try to figure this out. Talk to your mom,
Speaker 2: talk to your parents, talk to whoever you need to
Speaker 2: talk to. But I'm telling you, Jackson, don't, don't. Don't
Speaker 2: keep sucking driving like this. Yeah, okay, mm hmm, all right,
Speaker 2: are you gonna talk to your mom?
Speaker 6: To be honest, probably not, Like, are you gonna keep
Speaker 6: sucking driving like that? I think I'm gonna take a
Speaker 6: step in the right direction and try and drive normal
Speaker 6: at least when there's other people around, But there's no
Speaker 6: guarantees when there's a wide open road that's just sucking
Speaker 6: give her hell.
Speaker 2: All right, well, Jackson, listen, I'm gonna I hope that
Speaker 2: you make the right decision because if you don't, you're
Speaker 2: gonna kill someone, You're gonna kill yourself. Yeah, so God,
Speaker 2: I'm on you right now. I think, Okay, go talk
Speaker 2: to your mom.
Speaker 6: I can't bring myself to do that, so you got
Speaker 6: I can bring myself to drive eighty, but I can't
Speaker 6: bring myself to All.
Speaker 2: Right, Jackson, you have a problem. You need to talk
Speaker 2: to Jackson. You need to talk to a real therapist,
Speaker 2: someone who's talked to, someone who's not your mom. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: go to go to a fucking go to a local college.
Speaker 2: Go find a psychology program. Okay, you can get grad
Speaker 2: students to talk to. You can go to a community center.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have insurance, but you can
Speaker 2: get a therapist with insurance. But you need to talk
Speaker 2: to someone. And I don't don't fucking drive like crazy
Speaker 2: on the road, Jackson, don't do that. Yeah, you're right, Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, Jackson, I'm gonna I'm gonna let you go,
Speaker 2: but please go try to find some help. Man, Thank you,
Speaker 2: of course, have a good night, you too, dude, Jesus
Speaker 2: Christ Jackson. I hope he find some help. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not an addiction specialist. I don't know what's going
Speaker 2: on in his brain where he has some sort of
Speaker 2: like process addiction toward driving or recklessness. But he, like
Speaker 2: I I met what I said to him over and
Speaker 2: over again about how he's self aware that it's a problem,
Speaker 2: which is step one, right, Because, like I said, there's
Speaker 2: people out there going insane that have no idea that
Speaker 2: they're they don't have a problem. Jackson knows he has
Speaker 2: a problem and he needs he's to fix it, and
Speaker 2: he needs to keep his keys in the lock box
Speaker 2: until he does, and I hope does. And it sucks
Speaker 2: that he feels like he has nowhere to turn for it.
Speaker 2: By Jackson, if you're listening to this, go find some
Speaker 2: help and stay off the road. The people who listen
Speaker 2: to this, they know I don't normally talk, I don't
Speaker 2: normally react to callers like that, but I was just like, fuck, Hey,
Speaker 2: what's your name? Liam?
Speaker 8: Liam?
Speaker 2: Liam? How can I get you today?
Speaker 8: So I have a kind of weird issue. I feel
Speaker 8: like I need to reverse come out to my parents
Speaker 8: and my family and friends and stuff. Like I came
Speaker 8: out as gay when I was thirteen years old, and
Speaker 8: you know, back in the day I was, I was
Speaker 8: pretty convinced that that was the case. For a while,
Speaker 8: I was just super into guys. Even as a child.
Speaker 8: I was just really not into women at all. But
Speaker 8: over the last i would say year twenty one, now,
Speaker 8: i'd say over the last year or so I've definitely
Speaker 8: had more of an interest in ladies. Like it's it's
Speaker 8: no longer not an option. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Interesting? Interesting, I've never interesting. I don't think I've heard
Speaker 2: of this before, or I'm sure it happens all the time,
Speaker 2: but I've never talked to somebody who's who's had to
Speaker 2: reverse come out.
Speaker 8: You know, It's it's a weird problem. And while my
Speaker 8: family was very accepting when I came out as gay,
Speaker 8: you know, they were all cool with it. We have
Speaker 8: other gay people in a family. My sister's actually engaged
Speaker 8: to a lady, which is pretty cool. But it's just
Speaker 8: I feel like because I got bullied super hard when
Speaker 8: I came out, and there was a whole thing with it,
Speaker 8: and I, you know, my friends all abandoned me, and
Speaker 8: my family was very supportive then and did a lot
Speaker 8: of extra stuff for me that I feel like they
Speaker 8: wouldn't have done that wasn't the case. And I feel
Speaker 8: like if I tell them now, they're going to think
Speaker 8: I did all that for attention or something and just
Speaker 8: be really upset with me.
Speaker 2: You are afraid that if you tell your parents that
Speaker 2: you are not gay, they're going to think that you
Speaker 2: are doing this for attention?
Speaker 8: Yeah, or that I was at least or maybe still am.
Speaker 8: I don't know. But it's not that I'm not gay either,
Speaker 8: Like I still definitely like dudes, and I probably would
Speaker 8: lean towards that direction.
Speaker 2: Okay, but I mean it sounds like are you are
Speaker 2: you bisexual?
Speaker 8: I would say so, okay.
Speaker 2: Well, by the way, by the way, none of this
Speaker 2: this is what what? What you finding? Finding some kind
Speaker 2: of label for what you are is irrelevant to think
Speaker 2: this issue that you're describing, it's it's irrelevant because your
Speaker 2: parents what what? What? What about your relationship with your
Speaker 2: parents or what you know about your parents makes you
Speaker 2: think that they will believe that you are doing this
Speaker 2: for attention.
Speaker 8: Oh, I mean, it's just I I haven't had a
Speaker 8: lot of problems in my life, I guess, and like
Speaker 8: my sisters all have, and they all have done stuff
Speaker 8: like that as a as a means to gain attention
Speaker 8: or favor or whatever the fuck, you know, and I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't want them to think that I'm also doing
Speaker 8: that because well, you know, they I saw how they
Speaker 8: reacted with my sisters and they were not very they're
Speaker 8: not very happy about.
Speaker 2: It, you know. Liam. I know it's important for you
Speaker 2: to have a good relationship with your parents, But whether
Speaker 2: or not your parents believe that you know your explorations
Speaker 2: and your sexuality are a call for attention or not,
Speaker 2: it's like, who gives a shit what they think about
Speaker 2: you know, your sexual real Like does it? Does it
Speaker 2: really matter if whether or not they believe you're doing
Speaker 2: it for attention, if you know what's going on with you,
Speaker 2: because you are.
Speaker 8: Yourself, that's a that's a fair point. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 8: I you bring up a very good point, Gecko.
Speaker 7: Hm.
Speaker 8: They just I don't want them to be mad at
Speaker 8: me or upset with me, and uh, you know, I
Speaker 8: don't want it to change things in a way because
Speaker 8: I feel like I have a pretty good relationship and
Speaker 8: if if they think I was doing something I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't want them to start treating me different either,
Speaker 8: even if it even even if it's not just that
Speaker 8: they're upset at me. Just I want things to to
Speaker 8: change because even when it came out as gay, everything,
Speaker 8: it was a big change for everything, and they started
Speaker 8: treating me differently and I got used to it after
Speaker 8: a few years. But like, I don't want that to
Speaker 8: happen again.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I think a couple of things. I
Speaker 2: think One, everything you just told me you know about
Speaker 2: how you don't want to be treated any differently, about
Speaker 2: how you know, when you came out as gay the
Speaker 2: first time, you felt like you were treated differently. Everything
Speaker 2: you just told me you should tell your parents, should
Speaker 2: let them know. I don't want to be treated differently.
Speaker 2: I felt like I have been treated differently in the
Speaker 2: past because I don't know. They might not know. They
Speaker 2: might they might be treating you differently and thinking that
Speaker 2: they're doing a good thing by doing that. You know, uh,
Speaker 2: so they might have no fucking idea that they're doing
Speaker 2: something that's upsetting you. So it's good that you're going
Speaker 2: to tell them that they are doing something that's upsetting you.
Speaker 2: And then two are the people who are in your life,
Speaker 2: the people that you choose to let be in your life.
Speaker 2: Your your sexuality should really not have anything to do
Speaker 2: with your relationship with them, Like they shouldn't be like
Speaker 2: treating you differently or thinking anything of you because of this,
Speaker 2: like one particular aspect of your life. It should kind
Speaker 2: of be irrelevant to the majority of your friendships and
Speaker 2: with your family, you know, Yeah, because what the fuck
Speaker 2: does any of that have anything to do with you know,
Speaker 2: your relationship with your parents.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a that's a very good point. And I
Speaker 8: feel like I understand that, and I feel like they
Speaker 8: should understand that, and they just maybe they don't. I
Speaker 8: don't know if they're not even like super old either,
Speaker 8: Like they're pretty with the terms, if you know what
Speaker 8: I'm saying, But sure, they just it's they were weird
Speaker 8: in between where I feel like they're kind of just
Speaker 8: from the don't don't talk about a generation where it's
Speaker 8: like it's fine, just don't tell anyone and don't say
Speaker 8: anything ever.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure are you gonna? Are you going to tell
Speaker 2: them that you are as you say? Reverse coming out?
Speaker 8: They really feel like I should because you know, I
Speaker 8: feel like that makes it takes a lot of weight
Speaker 8: off of my shoulders as of like who I can
Speaker 8: bring around the house and like, but I can actually
Speaker 8: start talking to in a in a romantic sense. Ah,
Speaker 8: but uh, I just it's a weird conversation and I
Speaker 8: wasn't even sure how to do it initially. It actually
Speaker 8: ended up because I got super bullied at school for it.
Speaker 8: They got a call home that they were saying I
Speaker 8: was being bullied from the you know, the school counsel. Uh.
Speaker 8: And then they asked me why, and they kept pushing
Speaker 8: the problem until I told them, so they kind of
Speaker 8: forced my hand the first time. I don't know how
Speaker 8: to how to go about that conversation, Like do I
Speaker 8: just bring it up or should I like wait for
Speaker 8: them to ask?
Speaker 2: Well, you you talk. I feel like on this phone
Speaker 2: call we got a few things out of you that
Speaker 2: are important. We know that you don't want to be
Speaker 2: treated any differently. And fuck was the other thing you
Speaker 2: just said it just now? Oh we know that we
Speaker 2: know that, And because you just said it just now,
Speaker 2: we know that you telling them would be a weight
Speaker 2: off of your shoulders. That's what you just said. Is
Speaker 2: that true?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think so okay, if you telling them would be
Speaker 2: a weight off your shoulders, and then yeah, I think
Speaker 2: you should bring it up. As far as how to
Speaker 2: bring it up, well, we know a couple critical parts.
Speaker 2: We know a couple of critical things to include in
Speaker 2: the conversation, which is what you just said just now.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be this is what's going on. Listen,
Speaker 2: there's not I'm still figuring it out. I'm not labeling myself.
Speaker 2: I'm just you know, I'm a young guy. I'm getting
Speaker 2: out there. I'm figuring myself out here. Okay. I don't
Speaker 2: want to be treated any differently. Just giving you a
Speaker 2: little update on what's going on with my life, ma,
Speaker 2: that's it. That's all it is. Doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: a big deal. Just thought i'd let you know.
Speaker 8: You know, I feel like knowing my mom, she would
Speaker 8: probably she would respond really well to something like that.
Speaker 8: And it's just I don't know why I wouldn't just
Speaker 8: do it on my own. You know, this is something
Speaker 8: I have talked to a real therapist about before.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what did they tell you?
Speaker 8: They? I mean, essentially the same thing, but in a
Speaker 8: less helpful manner. They were like, oh shit, so I
Speaker 8: just dropped a bunch of stuff. Fuck. They They were
Speaker 8: just kind of like, I don't understand why you wouldn't
Speaker 8: just tell your parents about this sort of way.
Speaker 2: And I didn't.
Speaker 8: I didn't respond very well to that. It sounded more
Speaker 8: like they were arguing with me than trying to help me.
Speaker 8: I didn't really like that.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I mean, I think this is
Speaker 2: sort of my final position on it is. You know
Speaker 2: what you want, which is to not be treated differently
Speaker 2: and to let them know what's going on. That's what
Speaker 2: you've expressed to me in this call. So I would
Speaker 2: hope that you have at least a little bit more
Speaker 2: of a game plan going into this than you did before,
Speaker 2: if only because you know what you want the end
Speaker 2: result to be. Is that is that accurate? Then let
Speaker 2: me put words in your mouth.
Speaker 8: Yes, I would. I would say that's fairly accurate.
Speaker 2: Okay, So go forth say what you need to say
Speaker 2: to your parents, and I I hope it is true
Speaker 2: that it takes a weight off your shoulders. And also
Speaker 2: like at the end of the day, it's like you
Speaker 2: can love your mom, you can love your dad and
Speaker 2: still maintain that what they think about you and your
Speaker 2: sexuality and really any aspect of your life is kind
Speaker 2: of none of their business.
Speaker 8: That's all right. I think I can. I think I
Speaker 8: can roll with that.
Speaker 2: Okay, good. Is there anything else want to say to
Speaker 2: the people of the computer before we go? Liam?
Speaker 8: Uh No, No, I don't think so. I mean I
Speaker 8: learned a lot from this call.
Speaker 2: Uh good.
Speaker 8: This is my first time calling in, and I'm kind
Speaker 8: of amazed that I got on, So thank you Gek
Speaker 8: and good buck.
Speaker 2: To future callers, thank you for calling Liam so great
Speaker 2: get mm hmm. See this is this is This is
Speaker 2: an interesting phone calls because I'm trying to keep in mind,
Speaker 2: like it's easy to say to someone like Liam or
Speaker 2: really a lot of people who call in with like
Speaker 2: I have some sort of thing going on that I
Speaker 2: don't know how my parents will feel about. It's like
Speaker 2: easy to say, well, uh, your parents you you know,
Speaker 2: what they think about your life is irrelevant. They're not
Speaker 2: you. You have to go live your own life. But I'm
Speaker 2: also keeping in mind that people have these complex relationships
Speaker 2: with their parents, and that's an important relationship, the one
Speaker 2: you have with your parents, So they're not as easy
Speaker 2: to maneuver as just saying, well, who cares what they think?
Speaker 2: But who cares what they think? You know? They're your mom,
Speaker 2: they're your dad. You love them, they love you. They
Speaker 2: have their own life. You have your life, do your thing.
Speaker 5: Never kid goes on the line taking your phone calls
Speaker 5: every night. The beak kid goes to what and Die.
Speaker 5: He's teaching your loud to make your life that He's
Speaker 5: not really an expert