WEBVTT - "MY EX MIGHT BE A CANNIBAL"

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Oh my gosh, Wait, is this the world's favoue?

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<v Speaker 2>Gak? This is a get Go?

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<v Speaker 3>How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this shave from Alabama?

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<v Speaker 4>It sure is?

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<v Speaker 2>What's what's going on with you? You know?

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<v Speaker 3>Gak?

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<v Speaker 1>I've been having a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Of an existential crisis lately.

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<v Speaker 1>Something's been on my mind for a while, and I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't talked to anybody about it, and I thought who

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<v Speaker 1>better to share it with than a get Go? So

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<v Speaker 1>here I am.

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<v Speaker 4>So I guess, like.

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<v Speaker 1>The short version of the story is I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>think my ex boyfriend was like a cannibal, but like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I don't have like proof of that.

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<v Speaker 2>But what is it that makes you believe that he

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<v Speaker 2>is a cannibal?

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<v Speaker 1>So let me just start kind of from the beginning. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So me and this ex we were both and we're

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<v Speaker 1>both in medical school together barely stand up guy. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we were like kind of basically best friends all through

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<v Speaker 1>undergrad of college leading up to that year of medical

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<v Speaker 1>school and last year, you know, we were just close

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<v Speaker 1>friends whatever, and you know, he asked me out whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and within our relationship he was like really into like

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<v Speaker 1>biting me like on the ear anywhere that I had

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of like fad I guess, like my

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<v Speaker 1>inner size or my stomach area, to the point where

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<v Speaker 1>it became like kind of like a big issue with

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship because I would bleed and he would like

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy like drinking the blood. Like it was so fucking weird,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know how to quite explain it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought it was like a weird like kink.

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<v Speaker 1>And I couldn't really tell any of like my med

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<v Speaker 1>school friends because they were also like type A and like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know, just like really Southern esque,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I don't know, I just didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>feel like comfortable talking to them about it, so I

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of kept it internal, and it just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of got like really weird, and it just it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of grows me out. But I just, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was stupid, and I just like I was so

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<v Speaker 1>stressed with school I didn't really have time to like

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<v Speaker 1>address it, so I just kept it going whatever. And

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<v Speaker 1>then one day it was like Thanksgiving break and we

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<v Speaker 1>went to his parents' lake house, just like the two

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<v Speaker 1>of us, and we both got like super busted drunk,

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't think we've ever both been that drunk before,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were just we're like really interested in like

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<v Speaker 1>serial killers and stuff, you know. So we were just

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<v Speaker 1>talking about like Ted Bundy and all this crap, and

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<v Speaker 1>we got on the topic of like like cannibalism because

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<v Speaker 1>I remember we read about this one guy who like

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<v Speaker 1>was like on LSD and he just like ripped someone's

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<v Speaker 1>face off, you know. So we were talking about that

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<v Speaker 1>and then like he jokingly was I joking. LI said,

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<v Speaker 1>like would you ever like eat me or something? And

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, you know what, I'm so glad you brought

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<v Speaker 1>it up because I've been wanting to for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I was drunk and he was drunk, so

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<v Speaker 1>I just kind of like laughed it off. But then

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<v Speaker 1>he like goes to like detail kind of telling me

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<v Speaker 1>like how he would do it, and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>at that point, I was kind of scared. Like he

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<v Speaker 1>was telling me how he would like cut off like

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<v Speaker 1>my thigh meats, and that kind of reminded me of

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<v Speaker 1>how he always bites my thigh. And then he told

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<v Speaker 1>me like he would like to sear it and like

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<v Speaker 1>put it with soy sauce, and it was just such

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<v Speaker 1>a vivid detail. It just seemed like he had really

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<v Speaker 1>thought it out before, you know what I mean, and

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<v Speaker 1>he just kept going on and on, and then that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I just kind of got creeped out. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to keep my calm, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>the next morning I left, and then I just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of told my close friend everything that was going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and she like was kind of shocked because like I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't told her any of this stuff before that was

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<v Speaker 1>going on or whatever. And yeah, I kind of ended

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<v Speaker 1>up just ghosting him. And now I see his face

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, I mean, not for Arcy school, medical school,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just kind of kind of strange.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when he was telling you that he wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to eat you, how did you respond to him at first?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, being so drunk, I was just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>laughing it off, like like just kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>nervous giggle, and I just was kind of giving him

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<v Speaker 1>this confused look. So he kind of kept elaborating to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really know how to respond to that, and

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest, I was kind of out of it,

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<v Speaker 1>being so like drunk, so I didn't really say anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And the kind of the crazy thing is is what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of makes this like theory I guess valid to me?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he kind of never like like he doesn't talk

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<v Speaker 1>to me at all. He hasn't talked to our friend

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<v Speaker 1>group at all anymore. Like he just kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's afraid that, Like I'm going to tell

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<v Speaker 1>people because like if you was joking and being funny

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<v Speaker 1>about it, go.

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<v Speaker 4>Ahead, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>So you had this night with him where he told

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<v Speaker 2>you he was going to eat June, And about how

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<v Speaker 2>long had you been dating him up until that point?

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<v Speaker 4>Three months?

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<v Speaker 1>We were together for about three months.

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<v Speaker 2>We were together for three months, and you said that

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<v Speaker 2>after that night you just ghosted him. You didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of convert you have it. When's the last

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<v Speaker 2>time you had any sort of contact with this person?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we don't really probably like why say hi hello,

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<v Speaker 1>because like we're both like in medical school together and

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<v Speaker 1>our classes small.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so so so so, So this is a person

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<v Speaker 2>that you still interact with pretty regularly in your classes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he's kind of like isolated himself from our

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<v Speaker 1>entire like friend group. Only one of my friends knows

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<v Speaker 1>this story, and no one else does to my knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>at least, What.

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<v Speaker 2>Did your friend tell you to do.

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<v Speaker 1>In response to this, she was, Okay, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>all these people that go to my school, like they're

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<v Speaker 1>very like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Very judgmental about cannibalism.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I don't really necessarily agree with cannibalism myself,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean, besides besides that, I would say they're

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<v Speaker 1>very like conservative.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah what did What did your friends say when you

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<v Speaker 2>told her that?

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<v Speaker 1>Basically just oh my gosh, like this is crazy, like

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<v Speaker 1>you got to break up with him, Like she was

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<v Speaker 1>really worried for me, so you know, I was worried

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<v Speaker 1>to I guess seeing how worried she was, so I

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<v Speaker 1>just followed in that suit, I guess.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think that there is is, for sure

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<v Speaker 2>a reason to worry if a man is uh drinking

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<v Speaker 2>your blood and telling you he wants to eat you,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that is a good situation to get

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<v Speaker 2>out of. I'm glad to hear it doesn't sound to

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<v Speaker 2>me like this guy has reached out to you, since

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<v Speaker 2>he's not like stalking you. He's not texting you a bunch,

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<v Speaker 2>she's not trying to find you. He's not looking for

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of closure about the three months you just

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<v Speaker 2>simply I'm very, very confused at how this whole thing ended,

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<v Speaker 2>because you are still seeing him day to day and

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<v Speaker 2>he hasn't like followed up with you. He hasn't been like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>let me, let's let's see each other. He hasn't been

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<v Speaker 2>trying to contact.

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<v Speaker 6>You, no.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he's given me like stolen glances across like

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<v Speaker 1>the room and stuff like that. I mean, I've even

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<v Speaker 1>trying to talk to his best friend who's like within

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<v Speaker 1>our friend group about it, and he isn't even talking

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<v Speaker 1>to him at all. So it's like really strange. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we both kind of goes to each other

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<v Speaker 1>in a sense. Sure, like he kind of like I

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<v Speaker 1>like really broke it off like really quick because I

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<v Speaker 1>was scared in the moment and I really didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to address the topic because I was kind of afraid

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<v Speaker 1>to like know the truth, I guess, and then he,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, like I don't know, like he just hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>talked to me at all since, So it's just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of awkward between both of us, and I guess I'm

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<v Speaker 1>wondering like if I should like reach out to him

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<v Speaker 1>to get that closure. But I'm also a little bit like.

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<v Speaker 4>Scared to do.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Yeah, I don't think you need to reach back

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<v Speaker 2>out to him. I'm just glad to hear that he

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how long has it been since you, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>since he told you he wanted to eat you?

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<v Speaker 1>This was like over Thanksgiving break this past year.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, this was a while ago. This was a long

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<v Speaker 2>time ago. Okay, yeah, this was a long time right,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, So this was a long time ago. And

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<v Speaker 2>in these past seven months he has not tried to

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<v Speaker 2>contact you and tried to say anything to you anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, but it's still super awkward him being like.

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<v Speaker 2>I would I would share, I would share, I would

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<v Speaker 2>let this go. I don't think you should. I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no fucking idea what's up with this guy?

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<v Speaker 2>You have no fucking idea with Nobody has any idea

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<v Speaker 2>what's up with this guy? As long as he's not

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<v Speaker 2>trying to you, continue to talk to you, or like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, uh, be involved with you. I think you

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<v Speaker 2>just let this let this go.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I'm glad that I'm kind of stewing myself

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<v Speaker 1>in the right direction, so I.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate it for sure. Is there anything else you want

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<v Speaker 2>to say to the people of the computer Shai.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but I really love your show. I think you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing an awesome job and gek forever man than doing

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<v Speaker 1>this Man, I appreciate it. Yeah YouTube man by.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotts tell us, Okay, let's see what do you do

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<v Speaker 2>when a person says that they want to eat you?

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<v Speaker 2>That is a weird situation because, on one hand, if

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<v Speaker 2>a person says that they want to eat you and

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<v Speaker 2>she's all, she's over here, like is he joking? Is

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<v Speaker 2>he like, what the fuck? I'm over here like is

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<v Speaker 2>he joking? Is he like? What the fuck? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no fucking idea. I'm glad you share that

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<v Speaker 2>with us. This is one of those calls, and I

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<v Speaker 2>get a lot of these calls. Again, this show is

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<v Speaker 2>not about giving advice. This show is about being a

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<v Speaker 2>gecko and talking to people on the phone. I have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea what the fuck to do. That's a crazy situation.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that it's been seven months. Although what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a little scared of is is it possible that he

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<v Speaker 2>fucking found some other girl to drink her blood and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why he's not talking to Shay anymore. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I don't know if Shay needs to get

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<v Speaker 2>all involved in this, and you know what, before we

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<v Speaker 2>move on. I don't take a lot of stands on

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<v Speaker 2>this show, you know. I don't talk a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>the issues. I try to just you know, be a

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<v Speaker 2>gecko and kind of hang out. But I'm gonna take

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<v Speaker 2>stand on this one. I'm gonna say right here, right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I do not support eating other people. Pigs, cows, chickens,

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<v Speaker 2>eat the fuck out of those things, but not people.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone said, what if it's consensual cannibalism. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, and I think most people believe this, that

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<v Speaker 2>you should be able to do You should be able

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<v Speaker 2>to do whatever you want in life as long as

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<v Speaker 2>you're not hurting other people. So if two adults make

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<v Speaker 2>the conscious decision with their bodies, with their souls of

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<v Speaker 2>sound mind, to eat each other, man, we live in

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<v Speaker 2>a world with so many questions. Let's talk to some

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<v Speaker 2>people on the phone. Hello, Gek, Hi is this Andy?

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<v Speaker 4>It is? What's up? Gek?

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<v Speaker 2>Now much? What's going on with you? Andy? Not much?

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<v Speaker 4>Dude? All right, So listen, I uh me and this

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<v Speaker 4>girl broke up like five six months ago, right yep,

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<v Speaker 4>and we stayed friends for the majority of that, and

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<v Speaker 4>then maybe a week ago, she messages me tells me

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<v Speaker 4>she wants to go to contact, she needs time to heal,

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<v Speaker 4>needs me to like be her ex for a minute,

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<v Speaker 4>Like okay, cool, Yeah, that's fine communication, h right, And

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<v Speaker 4>two days after that, she shows up to my house

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<v Speaker 4>unannounced to hang out with my grandmother. Well I'm not home.

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<v Speaker 4>That's that's weird, right.

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<v Speaker 2>She came to your house to hang out with your

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<v Speaker 2>grandmother while you were not home.

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<v Speaker 4>M Like, she gave her a birthday card and like whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>that's nice, But she wasn't that close with my grandma

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<v Speaker 4>to begin with, So, like what, I'm trying to understand

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<v Speaker 4>the logic behind it, if there's any.

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<v Speaker 2>She wasn't that close with your with your grandma to

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<v Speaker 2>begin with.

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<v Speaker 4>No, like they talked on the phone sometimes. She maybe

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<v Speaker 4>accompanied me there twice for the year we were together.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think she is continuing this relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>your grandma?

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<v Speaker 4>Personally? I think it's to get under my skin. But

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<v Speaker 4>it's a weird situation. And what was she going to

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<v Speaker 4>do if I had been home?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you talked to your grandma about this and that

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<v Speaker 2>it's bothering you?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I tried to my grandma is this sweet little

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<v Speaker 4>old Christian lady, like she is a gem of this earth.

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<v Speaker 4>So she's not like slighted about it. And I try

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<v Speaker 4>to tell her. I'm like, look, I don't want her around.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd rather you didn't talk to her. I don't want

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<v Speaker 4>her to have access to my wife. And she's like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna still talk to her. So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's weird. It puts me in a weird spot.

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<v Speaker 2>And have you talked to your ex about this?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>And she gas lit me into thinking I was absolutely

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<v Speaker 4>crazy for being bothered by it, told me she was

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<v Speaker 4>gonna do whatever the fuck she wanted to go cry

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<v Speaker 4>about it. And then I was like, okay, well stay

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<v Speaker 4>away from me and my family, like you crossed the boundary.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not cool with it, Like I'm I'm just cutting ties.

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<v Speaker 4>And when we ended the phone call, she said, Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 4>when I'm on the verge of suicide, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>call you. Okay, call a hotline, like what, don't call me?

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<v Speaker 2>Andy? Does your grandmother live with you?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I currently live with my grandmother.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you live with your grandmother?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you're twenty five.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, we broke up right before we were supposed to

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<v Speaker 4>renew our lease and I didn't have any other plans.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, no, no judgment. I'm trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>your situation there, because clearly the next step is, uh

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<v Speaker 2>to move out of your grandma's house. Oh for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>what is your plan to do that?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm looking at like little one bedrooms. Thing is I

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<v Speaker 4>have a pitbull and some places are like really restrictive

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<v Speaker 4>on breathe. It's in the works. It's just a matter

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<v Speaker 4>of getting everything kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of set in motion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you should move out of your grandma's house.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as what to do in the meantime, you

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<v Speaker 2>might have to just deal with it in the meantime

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<v Speaker 2>because if you've talked to your ex and she's not

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<v Speaker 2>receptive to your feelings about how it's a boundary crosser,

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<v Speaker 2>and you've talked to your grandma and she's not receptive

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<v Speaker 2>about your feelings about how it's a a boundary crosser,

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<v Speaker 2>then the next move is to go, well, guys, have

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<v Speaker 2>fun together. I'm gonna go have absolutely nothing to do.

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<v Speaker 4>With this, right, just kind of removing from the situation altogether.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Uh, And it sounds like you are on the

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<v Speaker 2>trajectory towards moving out, and in the meantime you might

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<v Speaker 2>just have to fucking deal with it if you've already

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<v Speaker 2>expressed to both of these parties that it's not cool,

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<v Speaker 2>and neither of them have been receptive to that, Right.

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<v Speaker 4>I just I think it's just weird. Like I've never

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<v Speaker 4>broken up with someone and then went to go hang

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<v Speaker 4>out with their family, Like weird?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you if like their grandma was really cool?

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe, but like I would want to have like express

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<v Speaker 4>consent from my ex to do so, just because I

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<v Speaker 4>see it as like a heart boundary, Like that's when

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<v Speaker 4>you break up with someone, you break up with their family.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, well, this is hard because you can express your

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<v Speaker 2>feelings to both your ex and to your grandma, and

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<v Speaker 2>then after that they're gonna do what they're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't control the behavior of your grandmother or of

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<v Speaker 2>your ex, but you can move out and cut contact

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<v Speaker 2>with both of them to the degree that you need to,

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<v Speaker 2>and sort of remove yourself from the situation and be like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, you guys, have fun. I will be way

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<v Speaker 2>over there, right. What is your name again, Andy? Andy? Well? Andy,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not crazy? I'm sorry that this price is making

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like you are, and I hope that you

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<v Speaker 2>are successful in moving out of there soon.

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Gag of course, man, you have a good night, you too, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I agree. I think that is a boundary crosser. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think what's worse is that, you know, every time

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<v Speaker 2>every single call, I always I'm like, well, okay, did

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<v Speaker 2>you tell this person this thing that you're saying about them?

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<v Speaker 2>And he did and both of them were not receptive

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<v Speaker 2>to it. So at that point, he's just got to

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<v Speaker 2>get out of there. I don't think he can control

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<v Speaker 2>what his grandmother does, but I do think that if

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<v Speaker 2>it's making him uncomfortable that his grandma is keeping in

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<v Speaker 2>touch with his ex girlfriend, he's expressed that to her.

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<v Speaker 2>His grandma does not care. I think he does need

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<v Speaker 2>to throw up his hands and go, well, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>in control of what my ex girlfriend does. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>in control of what my grandma does. But I am

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<v Speaker 2>in control of how close I want to be to

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<v Speaker 2>that shit, and I'm going to choose to be far

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<v Speaker 2>from it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yep, Hello, how are you good? How you doing doing good?

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<v Speaker 7>It is this Dan, Yes, it is what's going on Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh not much. I was calling the shows. He told

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<v Speaker 3>you I was calling.

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<v Speaker 2>About, right, Uh, I say that one more time, MANI.

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<v Speaker 3>Katie obviously told you what I was calling about. Right, Well, what.

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<v Speaker 2>Enough about that? Let you know we're we're here together,

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<v Speaker 2>you and me. What are you calling about?

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<v Speaker 3>So I've been having this issue ladies with my sexuality.

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<v Speaker 3>But so I've been in a relationship for about uh

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<v Speaker 3>like six or seven years now with a girl. And

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<v Speaker 3>so my co worker, he's kind of new. He came

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<v Speaker 3>in during COVID like a year and a half ago.

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<v Speaker 3>His name's Paul with Ah, you know, little Asian guy,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's a que his health and uh, me and him,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we basically not the same. We have had sex,

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<v Speaker 3>but we pooled around a bit a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, my thing is, I'm not really sure what

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<v Speaker 3>to do at this point because I'm in a serious relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>Well kind of get some advice.

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<v Speaker 2>Or Okay, so you're in a six year you're in

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<v Speaker 2>a six year relationship. You let's just I mean, let's

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<v Speaker 2>just say it. You cheat on your girlfriend?

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>You cheat on your girlfriend, I guess, so yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>could say that, are you now? Uh? Thinking to yourself

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<v Speaker 2>that you are going to break up with your girlfriend

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<v Speaker 2>and start dating men.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's more of like, I don't know. I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I can get away with just pooling around

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<v Speaker 3>with my cowork and no one will find out. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. I'm not comfortable with coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Out and you know, well you're you're asking me if

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<v Speaker 2>I if I think that, if I think you can

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<v Speaker 2>get away with it without anyone finding out, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if to tell you truth, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's a weird situation because I only see him at work.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never hung out with socially. It's more of like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we've been in like those no pun intending

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<v Speaker 3>but well.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay before I don't want to hear the punt. But

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<v Speaker 2>the you are asking me if you can get away

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<v Speaker 2>with it?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess. I mean, I mean in a

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<v Speaker 3>you know, in a perfect world.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, obviously the answer to that is you know you can.

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<v Speaker 2>You can? Yeah, if you wanted to hide it, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, are you adverse to telling your girlfriend what happened?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how she would take it. Tell you truth,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if it was with another girl. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I know, necessarily, I mean, I guess I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>how she would take it either way. I mean, either

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<v Speaker 3>way it's cheating on her. But if I came to

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<v Speaker 3>a little with the guy, she might she might flip

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<v Speaker 3>the fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Out, she would she might flip the fuck out. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think she like flipped the fuck out?

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<v Speaker 3>Because we've talked about, like, you know, getting married and

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<v Speaker 3>having kids and shit like that. So it's like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I'm having sex with men.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Okay, Well, uh, if you're having sex with

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<v Speaker 2>guys outside of your relationship, yeah, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I was gonna say not necessarily sex, but I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Say okay, Well, I mean, listen, are you do you

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to get married to this person and

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<v Speaker 2>have children and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the thing I thought I did until until Paul

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<v Speaker 3>came into my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and now you're thirty five and you're sort of

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<v Speaker 2>rediscovering that you might be interested in men.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm sorry say that again. I missed that.

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<v Speaker 2>You're thirty five and now you're discovering that you might

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<v Speaker 2>be interested that it meant.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, it's not the first time that I've

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<v Speaker 3>fooled around men before, but in the past like seven years, haven't. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying. I'm not saying I'm against being that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just more so, like, you know, I'm from that

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<v Speaker 3>generation of you know, I don't want to come out

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<v Speaker 3>as homosexual.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Okay, so you're just now getting to a

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<v Speaker 2>point where you would be comfortable coming out as homosexual.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It's it's more so along the lines of, like,

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<v Speaker 3>what shall I tell Paul, my coworker, because he knows

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in a relationship and he really likes me, and

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<v Speaker 3>I mean not to you know, not to get too

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<v Speaker 3>many details, but he's a little ceutie time. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let me think about this for like a second.

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<v Speaker 2>What is important to you?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't know, have having fun? I guess really,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I know, I know where you're getting at

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<v Speaker 3>with that question, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm not getting anything. I'm trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>at the truth. What is what are you? What is

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<v Speaker 2>important to.

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<v Speaker 3>So basically, I mean, I don't know if it's really

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<v Speaker 3>important to me. I mean, besides my family, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>my girlfriend is important to me. I love her, but

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<v Speaker 3>I know this new uh, this new found love that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm having with ball it basically I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 3>really care about him too as well. He's important to

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<v Speaker 3>me as well well.

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<v Speaker 2>Because here's the thing. Okay, if you're a relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>your girlfriend, if you're if you're gonna be in a

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<v Speaker 2>monogamous relationship with a person, uh, if you make that

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<v Speaker 2>decision that that's what you want to do, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>gotta sacrifice fucking hooking up with other people if you

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<v Speaker 2>make the decision to being an by anongamous relationship. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, man, if you you know, because as you said,

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<v Speaker 2>you when you were a little bit younger, it sounds

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 2>like you were less comfortable with your sexuality, but now

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:05.440
<v Speaker 2>you're getting more comfortable with it. And if you make

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:09.159
<v Speaker 2>the decision that you were like, Okay, I actually don't

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:13.399
<v Speaker 2>want to be with my girlfriend anymore. I want to

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:16.679
<v Speaker 2>start trying to date men. You know, you're you're a

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:18.960
<v Speaker 2>person of your own agency. You should be able to

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 2>do that. But what what what what is not fair

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:28.359
<v Speaker 2>to her is if you do that behind her back.

0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:30.880
<v Speaker 2>So if that's what you decide you want to do,

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it's okay too. And I make different calls

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:35.400
<v Speaker 2>in life.

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 3>I got you off real quick, sure, not to uh

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:40.879
<v Speaker 3>just sketch you up, just just so you know, a

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:43.760
<v Speaker 3>few years back she did cheat on me, and I

0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:47.880
<v Speaker 3>forgave her for it. Okay, Now that not to say

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:50.200
<v Speaker 3>that that's why I'm doing this. It's just again someone

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 3>came into my life. Whatever. But I mean that's what

0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 3>I think too. So I think you take it like

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:56.920
<v Speaker 3>that and said, hey, now I'm having sex with Paul.

0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.240
<v Speaker 3>Like she'd be like, oh shit, like he did it

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:01.880
<v Speaker 3>because I you know, I on her, which she believes

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 3>I gave her for it, but I did so I

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.400
<v Speaker 3>don't know if that's like subconsciously forget.

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.120
<v Speaker 2>Dan, Dan, do you love this person.

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:13.200
<v Speaker 3>Paul?

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Uh? Your girlfriend or my girlfriend?

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:18.720
<v Speaker 3>I do? I do love her?

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, do you feel like she loves you?

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:25.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I think so. I mean we talked

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 3>of like I said, we talk about having a getting married,

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:34.879
<v Speaker 3>you know, we basically talk about having kids. But I

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 3>don't know. Maybe I don't know. I thought she didn't.

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 3>I think she does. I should say, because.

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Like, and here's the thing this is, this does this

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to be some like crazy catastrophic thing. Just

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 2>talk to her and I know what you mean. And

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 2>if you guys really do love each other, talk it

0:28:56.280 --> 0:29:00.680
<v Speaker 2>out and fucking work it out, you know. Yeah, but

0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 2>she might. She might say. She might, she might say

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 2>to you and yeah, yeah, it's a scary thing to do.

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:08.640
<v Speaker 2>It's a scary thing to have tough conversations with people.

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 2>It's a scary thing.

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 3>If she might beat me up, dude, I mean, if

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 3>you knew who she was, so I punched me her

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 3>in the face, Tilly Drew, I don't want that.

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:23.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Dan, she might.

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I mean, I'm I don't know if you've

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 3>ever been to Boston, bro, but it's how girls act

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 3>around here. That's why. That's why I feel bad for

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 3>Paul though, because Paul sees me talking to her and

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 3>stuff like that, and you know, and he's always like, no,

0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 3>why don't you have time for me? You know, like,

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 3>why don't we hang out? Stuff like that? Like what

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 3>should I say to Paul?

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:50.880
<v Speaker 2>You don't. I don't worry about Paul right now. You

0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 2>got to deal with what's going on with your girlfriend.

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:59.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean, honestly, I mean, yeah, you're right, But at

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 3>the same time, I really want and I feel like,

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:05.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm kind of like leading him on as well. He's

0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 3>openly gay.

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Dan, Dan, if you if you want to pursue a

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:14.680
<v Speaker 2>relationship with Paul again, I don't think there's anything wrong

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 2>with calling an audible in your life, but it's it

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:21.560
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be fair to your girlfriend to do it behind

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:23.240
<v Speaker 2>her back, so you need to talk to her about it.

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 4>Hmm.

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 3>Do you think that you think that she would Uh,

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 3>she would think that I would cheating on her because

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:32.680
<v Speaker 3>of what happened before.

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 2>I have absolutely no idea what she would think. And

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 2>I think that it would be stupid of us to

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 2>sit here and speculate about it. And I think that

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 2>if you really want to find out the answer to

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 2>that question, you should go find out the answer to

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 2>that question.

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:51.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's hard, though, it is hard. But so if

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 3>I if I do do that, yeah, then I mean

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:58.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm basically uprooting my life everything I've known the past

0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:02.440
<v Speaker 3>six seven years. It's true. And now what now?

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:02.959
<v Speaker 5>Uh?

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you would be uprooting your life. You would then

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 2>be a thirty five single game man.

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 3>Hm, And you think I should instantly like, I mean,

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:17.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure Paul wants a relationship at this moment. Okay,

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 3>Like you think I should just know, like ask if

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 3>you you know, I want to start dating.

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Dan, go talk to your girlfriend about this situation, and

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:32.560
<v Speaker 2>then afterwards you can kind of figure out what you're

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna do with Paul.

0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. But that's the thing though, if I, uh, my

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 3>main thing is like I don't want to blow up

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 3>that piece if the other piece is gonna work out. Like, honestly,

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 3>I guess I should start off with more of like

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 3>what should I do with Paul, because I'm not gonna

0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 3>lie I'm really into Paul.

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, I'm gonna this is the last thing

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say to you when you say I don't

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 2>want to blow off that piece in case if the

0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 2>other piece is working out, Dan, you got Dan, you

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.800
<v Speaker 2>got one chance to live on the fucking universe. Uh,

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 2>if you're gonna get married to someone, if you're gonna like,

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 2>if you're gonna like really be with somebody, and you know,

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>this is part of the reason why I I don't

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a lot of I haven't had a

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 2>lot of like, uh, monogamous relationships in my life is

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 2>because it's a big commitment. Then I you know, it's

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 2>a whole thing. It's a thing.

0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Do you think it's it's ament.

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm totally afraid of commitment.

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:33.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh. I thought it might have to do with the

0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 3>fact that you dress up as a get go.

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 2>It could be something there too, But but Dan, if

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna make that commitment, then fucking make it or

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 2>don't make it? What do you what are you doing

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 2>being like, oh this if this one doesn't work out,

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 2>I got this one. It's like, you don't want to

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 2>be with a person because a thing with a didn't

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:54.480
<v Speaker 2>person another person didn't work out. It's not a good

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 2>reason to be in a relationship. But that's not a

0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 2>good reason to do anything.

0:32:57.840 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But I mean, like, I mean, I know people

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 3>who were married and still like mess around. I mean,

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 3>it's just I mean, I know it sounds stupid because

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:08.479
<v Speaker 3>again I'm a little bit older where times are changing.

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 3>But it's just different than I'm you know, going after

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 3>a guy. It's not like another girl, but another girl,

0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 3>I might not I might feel different about it. Just

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 3>it's different for me to be going after a guy

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:23.600
<v Speaker 3>and Paul. I mean, I'm honestly, I hope Paul is

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 3>listening right now, because I love you, Paul, I really do.

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:28.880
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'll talk to you later.

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:31.640
<v Speaker 3>Dan, all right, lady, gega boy.

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 4>All right.

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm not one hundred percent sure if that was a

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 2>real person, but it doesn't matter. All right, Dan, Dan

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 2>is an interesting predicament here, Jesus Christ, all right, I

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:00.200
<v Speaker 2>don't have anything else to say about Dan. That's about on.

0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 7>Hellope, hey the get hi?

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 2>What's your name?

0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 6>Jackson?

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Jackson? What's going on with you?

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 6>I'm showing in my car right now. It actually relates

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 6>to what I called about.

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Please tell me more.

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 6>So, I don't know where should I start, Like yesterday

0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:29.880
<v Speaker 6>where I like almost crashed in ninety miles an hour or.

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 2>What did you You tried to say that in like

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 2>a cool way?

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 6>No, no, actually it was quite terrifying.

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:46.439
<v Speaker 2>But no, let's start from the beginning. Let's just start.

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 2>We can start. You want to start.

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, So basically, I'm a car dude. I love fast cars.

0:34:56.320 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 6>I actually build fast cars for work, and I'm like

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:04.840
<v Speaker 6>addicted now to weaving in and out of traffic and

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:08.480
<v Speaker 6>going like every drive I take, I'm like one twenty

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 6>like is average?

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:15.000
<v Speaker 6>I love drifting on the streets like I will take

0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 6>like on ramps fucking sliding.

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:18.719
<v Speaker 5>But like.

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 6>It's gotten to the point where like it's a problem

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 6>now because I'm interviewing.

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 2>With other people. Yeah, keep going.

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:32.880
<v Speaker 6>So I mean, like even like after work, I've noticed,

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:35.359
<v Speaker 6>like I drive home from work at like the same time,

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:37.720
<v Speaker 6>and I take the same highway. It's like four lanes,

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:41.880
<v Speaker 6>so I'm always fucking I use I utilize all lanes.

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 6>I do use my turn signal though, so that is

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 6>good that I let other drivers know. But it's gotten

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 6>to the point where I see the same cars and

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:54.040
<v Speaker 6>I instantly get over, like they they instantly move out

0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 6>the way. You can just get right back after I pass.

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:00.239
<v Speaker 6>I don't know if they're afraid. I think they're like, oh,

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:01.799
<v Speaker 6>this car is gonna fucking fly past me.

0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, Okay, Jackson, Jackson, let's slow down here. Why do

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 2>you drive like this?

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 6>I don't really know. I like it, Okay, I don't know.

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:16.879
<v Speaker 6>It's like it's it's average to me now. I don't

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 6>feel any like concern. I'm like desensitized to it.

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:26.799
<v Speaker 2>I guess, okay, you you need to stop driving. You

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 2>can't do this because you're gonna because it looks like, dude,

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:31.880
<v Speaker 2>you know if you if you do, if you do

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:36.560
<v Speaker 2>some ship where you know you you are addicted to

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 2>some reckless behavior that will fuck you up. You know,

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:43.880
<v Speaker 2>that's that's one thing that's not good. But this, this

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:46.319
<v Speaker 2>is gonna fuck up someone else, Like this is not

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 2>to be fucked the car car cars not to be

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:51.959
<v Speaker 2>fucked around with. You know, this is not cool because

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 2>you could just fuck someone else's thing up. It's just

0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 2>not cool to do. It's one of those things that

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 2>just makes me like it's just so dumb. Jackson. Don't

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 2>do this. Yeah, don't, don't stop. Give your keys to

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 2>your mom or something until you can like figure this out, man,

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:11.759
<v Speaker 2>because this is not cool for you. It's not cool

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 2>for anybody.

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 6>Mm hmm. I've also noticed it like depends on the

0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 6>music I'm listening to as well.

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, jack no, don't blame it on the music. No no, Jackson,

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 2>don't blame it on the music.

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:27.920
<v Speaker 6>I'm not trying to blame it on the music. I'm

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:32.440
<v Speaker 6>trying to let's say it like, it definitely increases my

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 6>thought to because like I can drive normal. It's just like.

0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, if you can, if you Jackson, if you can

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:46.399
<v Speaker 2>drive normal, Jackson, if you can drive normal, drive normal. Yeah,

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:47.800
<v Speaker 2>this is not cool.

0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:54.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Like, man, if you're telling me that you're like, you know,

0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:03.279
<v Speaker 2>into into gambling or drugs or any other sort of

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:08.879
<v Speaker 2>like process addiction or something, then you know, go get help,

0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:10.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, because that'll fuck you up. This will fuck

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 2>other people up too, you know, go if you do.

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 2>If you do you genuinely feel like you have like

0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:18.959
<v Speaker 2>a process addiction and you need help.

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:24.799
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but like here's okay, I don't feel.

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:25.759
<v Speaker 2>Like we'll talk about's the thing.

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 6>I like it, I enjoy it, but like, at the

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 6>same time, I don't try and put people at too

0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 6>much of risk. No, you just definitely tell me that

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:37.560
<v Speaker 6>I do.

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:39.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah to Actually, if you're driving one hundred and twenty

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:42.800
<v Speaker 2>miles an hour, you're putting other people at risk. You

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 2>need to if you feel like you have some sort

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 2>of like I don't know, man, I don't know what's

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:50.080
<v Speaker 2>up with you. I don't know why you're addicted to danger.

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 2>But you and look, man, you're you're a self aware person.

0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:57.279
<v Speaker 2>You know this about yourself because a lot of people

0:38:57.520 --> 0:38:59.319
<v Speaker 2>there's people on the road who are doing this who

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.160
<v Speaker 2>aren't like doing what you're doing right now, where they're

0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:04.839
<v Speaker 2>going like, huh, this might be a problem. I need

0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:06.840
<v Speaker 2>to figure this out. They're just you know, have a

0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 2>death wish and going hell, Mary, you know, I'm glad

0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 2>that you're self aware enough to know that this is

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:16.319
<v Speaker 2>a problem. But now that you're aware, you don't you

0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:19.520
<v Speaker 2>fucking gotta handle this. Don't fucking drive like that?

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the problem is it's so fucking.

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Hard, Like, why is it hard? Jackson?

0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 6>It's so easy, and at least in my card is

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:40.160
<v Speaker 6>fucking you barely flip the throttle and you're already sucking

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 6>at a hundred.

0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:43.240
<v Speaker 2>Jackson, Jackson, Clay, your dad, tell him take your fucking

0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 2>keys away until you can figure this out.

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:53.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I need them for I need to get to

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:54.759
<v Speaker 6>work though, that's the thing. I work.

0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, if you need to get to work to drive

0:39:56.960 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 2>nor Jackson Jackson, Jackson, do you have a real therapist?

0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 6>No, my mom's actually a therapist.

0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:07.839
<v Speaker 2>Though your mom's a therapis okay? Have you told your

0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:08.359
<v Speaker 2>mom about it all?

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 6>Well, she knows a little bit, but like, I'm afraid

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:16.760
<v Speaker 6>she fucking slipped the fuck out if like I showed

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:18.520
<v Speaker 6>her videos and ship.

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:21.959
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Jackson, you can't keep Jackson, you can't keep driving

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 2>about you. You need to figure out some solutions to this.

0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:26.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Like I'm not gonna say I you

0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 2>know everything, there's there's process addictions that you like, you

0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 2>might have some sort of like weird adrenaline addiction or

0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 2>uh uh, something going on with yourself that you need

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 2>to take care of. And like I said, I think

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:45.359
<v Speaker 2>it's good that you're self aware about it because that's

0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:49.320
<v Speaker 2>the step one. But now you need to fix it, okay,

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:52.360
<v Speaker 2>And until you fix it, you don't. Until you fix it,

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 2>don't fucking drive.

0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:02.160
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, fuck man, cars are my goddamn life.

0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 2>That's okay. It's okay to like cars. It's okay to

0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:08.320
<v Speaker 2>be into cars. It's okay to be into motors and stuff.

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:09.839
<v Speaker 2>But when you get on the road and you're with

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 2>other people, you can't drive like an asshole and get

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:19.360
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people care. Cars are fucked up, you know,

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:21.719
<v Speaker 2>cars are like I'm the reason I'm I don't know.

0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I feel like I feel like I'm

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 2>not normally this aggressive with people on the phone, but

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 2>I fucking hate cars so much because they're just they're

0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 2>just look I look at them the same way a

0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 2>lot of people probably look at guns or something like

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 2>they're just you know, death traps, you know, And like

0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:43.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna I'm gonna give you you know, I'm not

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:45.359
<v Speaker 2>trying to be too aggressive here with you, man, because,

0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 2>like I'm telling you, you're self aware about this. So

0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:55.160
<v Speaker 2>go try to figure this out. Talk to your mom,

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 2>talk to your parents, talk to whoever you need to

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 2>talk to. But I'm telling you, Jackson, don't, don't. Don't

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:12.359
<v Speaker 2>keep sucking driving like this. Yeah, okay, mm hmm, all right,

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:16.240
<v Speaker 2>are you gonna talk to your mom?

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 6>To be honest, probably not, Like, are you gonna keep

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:27.719
<v Speaker 6>sucking driving like that? I think I'm gonna take a

0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:31.960
<v Speaker 6>step in the right direction and try and drive normal

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:37.719
<v Speaker 6>at least when there's other people around, But there's no

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:41.120
<v Speaker 6>guarantees when there's a wide open road that's just sucking

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:42.040
<v Speaker 6>give her hell.

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 2>All right, well, Jackson, listen, I'm gonna I hope that

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:48.879
<v Speaker 2>you make the right decision because if you don't, you're

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 2>gonna kill someone, You're gonna kill yourself. Yeah, so God,

0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm on you right now. I think, Okay, go talk

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 2>to your mom.

0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:08.120
<v Speaker 6>I can't bring myself to do that, so you got

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:13.719
<v Speaker 6>I can bring myself to drive eighty, but I can't

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:15.359
<v Speaker 6>bring myself to All.

0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Right, Jackson, you have a problem. You need to talk

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:19.280
<v Speaker 2>to Jackson. You need to talk to a real therapist,

0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:27.400
<v Speaker 2>someone who's talked to, someone who's not your mom. Yeah, okay,

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:32.360
<v Speaker 2>go to go to a fucking go to a local college.

0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Go find a psychology program. Okay, you can get grad

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:43.240
<v Speaker 2>students to talk to. You can go to a community center.

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:45.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you have insurance, but you can

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:47.560
<v Speaker 2>get a therapist with insurance. But you need to talk

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:51.920
<v Speaker 2>to someone. And I don't don't fucking drive like crazy

0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 2>on the road, Jackson, don't do that. Yeah, you're right, Okay,

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:01.839
<v Speaker 2>all right, Jackson, I'm gonna I'm gonna let you go,

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 2>but please go try to find some help. Man, Thank you,

0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:17.840
<v Speaker 2>of course, have a good night, you too, dude, Jesus

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Christ Jackson. I hope he find some help. I don't know.

0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:28.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not an addiction specialist. I don't know what's going

0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:32.480
<v Speaker 2>on in his brain where he has some sort of

0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:36.920
<v Speaker 2>like process addiction toward driving or recklessness. But he, like

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:38.480
<v Speaker 2>I I met what I said to him over and

0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:42.120
<v Speaker 2>over again about how he's self aware that it's a problem,

0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:45.359
<v Speaker 2>which is step one, right, Because, like I said, there's

0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:47.600
<v Speaker 2>people out there going insane that have no idea that

0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:51.080
<v Speaker 2>they're they don't have a problem. Jackson knows he has

0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:53.880
<v Speaker 2>a problem and he needs he's to fix it, and

0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:57.520
<v Speaker 2>he needs to keep his keys in the lock box

0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:01.920
<v Speaker 2>until he does, and I hope does. And it sucks

0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:05.239
<v Speaker 2>that he feels like he has nowhere to turn for it.

0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:10.799
<v Speaker 2>By Jackson, if you're listening to this, go find some

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:15.160
<v Speaker 2>help and stay off the road. The people who listen

0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:17.600
<v Speaker 2>to this, they know I don't normally talk, I don't

0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:22.480
<v Speaker 2>normally react to callers like that, but I was just like, fuck, Hey,

0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:23.880
<v Speaker 2>what's your name? Liam?

0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 8>Liam?

0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Liam? How can I get you today?

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:33.439
<v Speaker 8>So I have a kind of weird issue. I feel

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:36.880
<v Speaker 8>like I need to reverse come out to my parents

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:41.520
<v Speaker 8>and my family and friends and stuff. Like I came

0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:44.359
<v Speaker 8>out as gay when I was thirteen years old, and

0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:46.600
<v Speaker 8>you know, back in the day I was, I was

0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 8>pretty convinced that that was the case. For a while,

0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:55.000
<v Speaker 8>I was just super into guys. Even as a child.

0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:59.080
<v Speaker 8>I was just really not into women at all. But

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 8>over the last i would say year twenty one, now,

0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:06.280
<v Speaker 8>i'd say over the last year or so I've definitely

0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:09.239
<v Speaker 8>had more of an interest in ladies. Like it's it's

0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 8>no longer not an option. Does that make sense?

0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:17.399
<v Speaker 2>Interesting? Interesting, I've never interesting. I don't think I've heard

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:20.719
<v Speaker 2>of this before, or I'm sure it happens all the time,

0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:22.960
<v Speaker 2>but I've never talked to somebody who's who's had to

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:24.680
<v Speaker 2>reverse come out.

0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:32.680
<v Speaker 8>You know, It's it's a weird problem. And while my

0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:35.560
<v Speaker 8>family was very accepting when I came out as gay,

0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:37.000
<v Speaker 8>you know, they were all cool with it. We have

0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:40.840
<v Speaker 8>other gay people in a family. My sister's actually engaged

0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 8>to a lady, which is pretty cool. But it's just

0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:48.759
<v Speaker 8>I feel like because I got bullied super hard when

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:50.480
<v Speaker 8>I came out, and there was a whole thing with it,

0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:54.360
<v Speaker 8>and I, you know, my friends all abandoned me, and

0:46:54.520 --> 0:46:57.080
<v Speaker 8>my family was very supportive then and did a lot

0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 8>of extra stuff for me that I feel like they

0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:01.359
<v Speaker 8>wouldn't have done that wasn't the case. And I feel

0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:03.759
<v Speaker 8>like if I tell them now, they're going to think

0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:06.040
<v Speaker 8>I did all that for attention or something and just

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 8>be really upset with me.

0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:14.959
<v Speaker 2>You are afraid that if you tell your parents that

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:17.520
<v Speaker 2>you are not gay, they're going to think that you

0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:18.640
<v Speaker 2>are doing this for attention?

0:47:20.320 --> 0:47:23.359
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, or that I was at least or maybe still am.

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:25.799
<v Speaker 8>I don't know. But it's not that I'm not gay either,

0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:28.279
<v Speaker 8>Like I still definitely like dudes, and I probably would

0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:29.640
<v Speaker 8>lean towards that direction.

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but I mean it sounds like are you are

0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:33.839
<v Speaker 2>you bisexual?

0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:37.360
<v Speaker 8>I would say so, okay.

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, by the way, by the way, none of this

0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:42.439
<v Speaker 2>this is what what? What you finding? Finding some kind

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:47.719
<v Speaker 2>of label for what you are is irrelevant to think

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:52.280
<v Speaker 2>this issue that you're describing, it's it's irrelevant because your

0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 2>parents what what? What? What about your relationship with your

0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:57.719
<v Speaker 2>parents or what you know about your parents makes you

0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:00.400
<v Speaker 2>think that they will believe that you are doing this

0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 2>for attention.

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:06.920
<v Speaker 8>Oh, I mean, it's just I I haven't had a

0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:09.080
<v Speaker 8>lot of problems in my life, I guess, and like

0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:12.680
<v Speaker 8>my sisters all have, and they all have done stuff

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:15.400
<v Speaker 8>like that as a as a means to gain attention

0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:21.600
<v Speaker 8>or favor or whatever the fuck, you know, and I don't.

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:24.360
<v Speaker 8>I don't want them to think that I'm also doing

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:28.879
<v Speaker 8>that because well, you know, they I saw how they

0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:32.160
<v Speaker 8>reacted with my sisters and they were not very they're

0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:33.480
<v Speaker 8>not very happy about.

0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:36.239
<v Speaker 2>It, you know. Liam. I know it's important for you

0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:42.680
<v Speaker 2>to have a good relationship with your parents, But whether

0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:50.000
<v Speaker 2>or not your parents believe that you know your explorations

0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:54.080
<v Speaker 2>and your sexuality are a call for attention or not,

0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:58.720
<v Speaker 2>it's like, who gives a shit what they think about

0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:03.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, your sexual real Like does it? Does it

0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:06.040
<v Speaker 2>really matter if whether or not they believe you're doing

0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:10.759
<v Speaker 2>it for attention, if you know what's going on with you,

0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:11.520
<v Speaker 2>because you are.

0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:18.879
<v Speaker 8>Yourself, that's a that's a fair point. Yeah, I mean,

0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:27.080
<v Speaker 8>I you bring up a very good point, Gecko.

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:29.839
<v Speaker 7>Hm.

0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:34.640
<v Speaker 8>They just I don't want them to be mad at

0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:39.920
<v Speaker 8>me or upset with me, and uh, you know, I

0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:42.880
<v Speaker 8>don't want it to change things in a way because

0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:45.040
<v Speaker 8>I feel like I have a pretty good relationship and

0:49:45.080 --> 0:49:48.480
<v Speaker 8>if if they think I was doing something I don't.

0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:52.240
<v Speaker 8>I don't want them to start treating me different either,

0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:56.239
<v Speaker 8>even if it even even if it's not just that

0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 8>they're upset at me. Just I want things to to

0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:01.960
<v Speaker 8>change because even when it came out as gay, everything,

0:50:02.440 --> 0:50:05.480
<v Speaker 8>it was a big change for everything, and they started

0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:07.520
<v Speaker 8>treating me differently and I got used to it after

0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:09.799
<v Speaker 8>a few years. But like, I don't want that to

0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:10.360
<v Speaker 8>happen again.

0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think I think a couple of things. I

0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:16.160
<v Speaker 2>think One, everything you just told me you know about

0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:18.200
<v Speaker 2>how you don't want to be treated any differently, about

0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:20.120
<v Speaker 2>how you know, when you came out as gay the

0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 2>first time, you felt like you were treated differently. Everything

0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:24.680
<v Speaker 2>you just told me you should tell your parents, should

0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:27.240
<v Speaker 2>let them know. I don't want to be treated differently.

0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I felt like I have been treated differently in the

0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:33.040
<v Speaker 2>past because I don't know. They might not know. They

0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 2>might they might be treating you differently and thinking that

0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:38.200
<v Speaker 2>they're doing a good thing by doing that. You know, uh,

0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:40.479
<v Speaker 2>so they might have no fucking idea that they're doing

0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:43.200
<v Speaker 2>something that's upsetting you. So it's good that you're going

0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:46.400
<v Speaker 2>to tell them that they are doing something that's upsetting you.

0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:55.320
<v Speaker 2>And then two are the people who are in your life,

0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:59.279
<v Speaker 2>the people that you choose to let be in your life.

0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:03.839
<v Speaker 2>Your your sexuality should really not have anything to do

0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:09.600
<v Speaker 2>with your relationship with them, Like they shouldn't be like

0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:15.040
<v Speaker 2>treating you differently or thinking anything of you because of this,

0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:18.759
<v Speaker 2>like one particular aspect of your life. It should kind

0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:23.719
<v Speaker 2>of be irrelevant to the majority of your friendships and

0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:30.480
<v Speaker 2>with your family, you know, Yeah, because what the fuck

0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:32.680
<v Speaker 2>does any of that have anything to do with you know,

0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:37.200
<v Speaker 2>your relationship with your parents.

0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:41.759
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that's a that's a very good point. And I

0:51:41.800 --> 0:51:45.600
<v Speaker 8>feel like I understand that, and I feel like they

0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:49.360
<v Speaker 8>should understand that, and they just maybe they don't. I

0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:51.640
<v Speaker 8>don't know if they're not even like super old either,

0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:54.279
<v Speaker 8>Like they're pretty with the terms, if you know what

0:51:54.320 --> 0:52:00.520
<v Speaker 8>I'm saying, But sure, they just it's they were weird

0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 8>in between where I feel like they're kind of just

0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:06.239
<v Speaker 8>from the don't don't talk about a generation where it's

0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:08.879
<v Speaker 8>like it's fine, just don't tell anyone and don't say

0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:09.439
<v Speaker 8>anything ever.

0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Sure, sure are you gonna? Are you going to tell

0:52:15.520 --> 0:52:22.200
<v Speaker 2>them that you are as you say? Reverse coming out?

0:52:24.960 --> 0:52:28.560
<v Speaker 8>They really feel like I should because you know, I

0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:31.399
<v Speaker 8>feel like that makes it takes a lot of weight

0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:33.359
<v Speaker 8>off of my shoulders as of like who I can

0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:36.160
<v Speaker 8>bring around the house and like, but I can actually

0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:41.080
<v Speaker 8>start talking to in a in a romantic sense. Ah,

0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:46.680
<v Speaker 8>but uh, I just it's a weird conversation and I

0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:50.320
<v Speaker 8>wasn't even sure how to do it initially. It actually

0:52:50.640 --> 0:52:53.920
<v Speaker 8>ended up because I got super bullied at school for it.

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<v Speaker 8>They got a call home that they were saying I

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<v Speaker 8>was being bullied from the you know, the school counsel. Uh.

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<v Speaker 8>And then they asked me why, and they kept pushing

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<v Speaker 8>the problem until I told them, so they kind of

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<v Speaker 8>forced my hand the first time. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 8>to how to go about that conversation, Like do I

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<v Speaker 8>just bring it up or should I like wait for

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<v Speaker 8>them to ask?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you you talk. I feel like on this phone

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<v Speaker 2>call we got a few things out of you that

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<v Speaker 2>are important. We know that you don't want to be

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<v Speaker 2>treated any differently. And fuck was the other thing you

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<v Speaker 2>just said it just now? Oh we know that we

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<v Speaker 2>know that, And because you just said it just now,

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<v Speaker 2>we know that you telling them would be a weight

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<v Speaker 2>off of your shoulders. That's what you just said. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that true?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so okay, if you telling them would be

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<v Speaker 2>a weight off your shoulders, and then yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you should bring it up. As far as how to

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<v Speaker 2>bring it up, well, we know a couple critical parts.

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<v Speaker 2>We know a couple of critical things to include in

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation, which is what you just said just now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be this is what's going on. Listen,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not I'm still figuring it out. I'm not labeling myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just you know, I'm a young guy. I'm getting

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<v Speaker 2>out there. I'm figuring myself out here. Okay. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be treated any differently. Just giving you a

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<v Speaker 2>little update on what's going on with my life, ma,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it. That's all it is. Doesn't have to be

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal. Just thought i'd let you know.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, I feel like knowing my mom, she would

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<v Speaker 8>probably she would respond really well to something like that.

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<v Speaker 8>And it's just I don't know why I wouldn't just

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<v Speaker 8>do it on my own. You know, this is something

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<v Speaker 8>I have talked to a real therapist about before.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, what did they tell you?

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<v Speaker 8>They? I mean, essentially the same thing, but in a

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<v Speaker 8>less helpful manner. They were like, oh shit, so I

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<v Speaker 8>just dropped a bunch of stuff. Fuck. They They were

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<v Speaker 8>just kind of like, I don't understand why you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 8>just tell your parents about this sort of way.

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<v Speaker 2>And I didn't.

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<v Speaker 8>I didn't respond very well to that. It sounded more

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<v Speaker 8>like they were arguing with me than trying to help me.

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<v Speaker 8>I didn't really like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, like I said, I mean, I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>sort of my final position on it is. You know

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<v Speaker 2>what you want, which is to not be treated differently

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<v Speaker 2>and to let them know what's going on. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>you've expressed to me in this call. So I would

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<v Speaker 2>hope that you have at least a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>of a game plan going into this than you did before,

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<v Speaker 2>if only because you know what you want the end

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<v Speaker 2>result to be. Is that is that accurate? Then let

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<v Speaker 2>me put words in your mouth.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, I would. I would say that's fairly accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So go forth say what you need to say

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<v Speaker 2>to your parents, and I I hope it is true

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<v Speaker 2>that it takes a weight off your shoulders. And also

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<v Speaker 2>like at the end of the day, it's like you

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<v Speaker 2>can love your mom, you can love your dad and

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<v Speaker 2>still maintain that what they think about you and your

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<v Speaker 2>sexuality and really any aspect of your life is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of none of their business.

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<v Speaker 8>That's all right. I think I can. I think I

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<v Speaker 8>can roll with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good. Is there anything else want to say to

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<v Speaker 2>the people of the computer before we go? Liam?

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<v Speaker 8>Uh No, No, I don't think so. I mean I

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<v Speaker 8>learned a lot from this call.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh good.

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<v Speaker 8>This is my first time calling in, and I'm kind

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<v Speaker 8>of amazed that I got on, So thank you Gek

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<v Speaker 8>and good buck.

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<v Speaker 2>To future callers, thank you for calling Liam so great

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<v Speaker 2>get mm hmm. See this is this is This is

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting phone calls because I'm trying to keep in mind,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's easy to say to someone like Liam or

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<v Speaker 2>really a lot of people who call in with like

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<v Speaker 2>I have some sort of thing going on that I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how my parents will feel about. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>easy to say, well, uh, your parents you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what they think about your life is irrelevant. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>you. You have to go live your own life. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>also keeping in mind that people have these complex relationships

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<v Speaker 2>with their parents, and that's an important relationship, the one

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<v Speaker 2>you have with your parents, So they're not as easy

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<v Speaker 2>to maneuver as just saying, well, who cares what they think?

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<v Speaker 2>But who cares what they think? You know? They're your mom,

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<v Speaker 2>they're your dad. You love them, they love you. They

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<v Speaker 2>have their own life. You have your life, do your thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Never kid goes on the line taking your phone calls

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<v Speaker 5>every night. The beak kid goes to what and Die.

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<v Speaker 5>He's teaching your loud to make your life that He's

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<v Speaker 5>not really an expert