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Speaker 1: Hello, Oh my gosh, Wait, is this the world's favoue?

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Speaker 2: Gak? This is a get Go?

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 2: Is this shave from Alabama?

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Speaker 4: It sure is?

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Speaker 2: What's what's going on with you? You know?

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Speaker 3: Gak?

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Speaker 1: I've been having a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Of an existential crisis lately.

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Speaker 1: Something's been on my mind for a while, and I

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Speaker 1: haven't talked to anybody about it, and I thought who

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Speaker 1: better to share it with than a get Go? So

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Speaker 1: here I am.

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Speaker 4: So I guess, like.

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Speaker 1: The short version of the story is I kind of

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Speaker 1: think my ex boyfriend was like a cannibal, but like

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't have like proof of that.

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Speaker 2: But what is it that makes you believe that he

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Speaker 2: is a cannibal?

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Speaker 1: So let me just start kind of from the beginning. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So me and this ex we were both and we're

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Speaker 1: both in medical school together barely stand up guy. You know,

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Speaker 1: we were like kind of basically best friends all through

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Speaker 1: undergrad of college leading up to that year of medical

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Speaker 1: school and last year, you know, we were just close

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Speaker 1: friends whatever, and you know, he asked me out whatever,

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Speaker 1: and within our relationship he was like really into like

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Speaker 1: like a lot of like fad I guess, like my

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know how to quite explain it, and

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Speaker 1: I just thought it was like a weird like kink.

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Speaker 1: And I couldn't really tell any of like my med

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, just like really Southern esque,

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Speaker 1: and we were just we're like really interested in like

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Speaker 1: we got on the topic of like like cannibalism because

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Speaker 1: and then like he jokingly was I joking. LI said,

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Speaker 1: And then I was drunk and he was drunk, so

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Speaker 1: he just kept going on and on, and then that's

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Speaker 2: You know, when he was telling you that he wanted

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Speaker 1: You know, being so drunk, I was just kind of

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Speaker 1: And the kind of the crazy thing is is what

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Speaker 1: Is he kind of never like like he doesn't talk

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Speaker 1: I think he's afraid that, Like I'm going to tell

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Speaker 1: about it, go.

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Speaker 4: Ahead, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: So you had this night with him where he told

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Speaker 2: you he was going to eat June, And about how

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Speaker 2: long had you been dating him up until that point?

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Speaker 4: Three months?

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Speaker 1: We were together for about three months.

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Speaker 2: We were together for three months, and you said that

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Speaker 2: after that night you just ghosted him. You didn't have

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Speaker 2: any sort of convert you have it. When's the last

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Speaker 2: time you had any sort of contact with this person?

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Speaker 1: Well, we don't really probably like why say hi hello,

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Speaker 1: because like we're both like in medical school together and

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Speaker 2: Okay, so so so so, So this is a person

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Speaker 2: that you still interact with pretty regularly in your classes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's kind of like isolated himself from our

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Speaker 1: entire like friend group. Only one of my friends knows

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Speaker 1: at least, What.

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Speaker 2: Did your friend tell you to do.

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Speaker 1: In response to this, she was, Okay, like I said,

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Speaker 1: all these people that go to my school, like they're

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Speaker 1: very like, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Very judgmental about cannibalism.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I don't really necessarily agree with cannibalism myself,

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Speaker 2: Yeah what did What did your friends say when you

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Speaker 2: told her that?

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Speaker 1: Basically just oh my gosh, like this is crazy, like

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Speaker 1: you got to break up with him, Like she was

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think I think that there is is, for sure

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Speaker 2: a reason to worry if a man is uh drinking

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Speaker 2: I think that that is a good situation to get

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Speaker 2: he's not like stalking you. He's not texting you a bunch,

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Speaker 2: she's not trying to find you. He's not looking for

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Speaker 2: any sort of closure about the three months you just

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Speaker 2: simply I'm very, very confused at how this whole thing ended,

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Speaker 2: he hasn't like followed up with you. He hasn't been like, hey,

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Speaker 2: let me, let's let's see each other. He hasn't been

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Speaker 6: You, no.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's given me like stolen glances across like

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Speaker 1: wondering like if I should like reach out to him

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Speaker 2: So, Yeah, I don't think you need to reach back

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Speaker 2: I mean, how long has it been since you, uh,

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Speaker 1: This was like over Thanksgiving break this past year.

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Speaker 2: Oh, this was a while ago. This was a long

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Speaker 2: time ago. Okay, yeah, this was a long time right,

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Speaker 2: all right, So this was a long time ago. And

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Speaker 1: Now, but it's still super awkward him being like.

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Speaker 2: I would I would share, I would share, I would

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Speaker 2: let this go. I don't think you should. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I have no fucking idea what's up with this guy?

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Speaker 2: You have no fucking idea with Nobody has any idea

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Speaker 2: what's up with this guy? As long as he's not

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Speaker 2: trying to you, continue to talk to you, or like,

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Speaker 2: you know, uh, be involved with you. I think you

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Speaker 2: just let this let this go.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'm glad that I'm kind of stewing myself

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Speaker 1: in the right direction, so I.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it for sure. Is there anything else you want

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Speaker 2: to say to the people of the computer Shai.

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Speaker 1: No, but I really love your show. I think you're

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Speaker 1: doing an awesome job and gek forever man than doing

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Speaker 1: this Man, I appreciate it. Yeah YouTube man by.

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Speaker 2: Gotts tell us, Okay, let's see what do you do

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Speaker 2: when a person says that they want to eat you?

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Speaker 2: That is a weird situation because, on one hand, if

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Speaker 2: she's all, she's over here, like is he joking? Is

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Speaker 2: he like, what the fuck? I'm over here like is

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Speaker 2: he joking? Is he like? What the fuck? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I have no fucking idea. I'm glad you share that

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Speaker 2: with us. This is one of those calls, and I

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Speaker 2: get a lot of these calls. Again, this show is

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Speaker 2: not about giving advice. This show is about being a

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Speaker 2: gecko and talking to people on the phone. I have

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Speaker 2: no idea what the fuck to do. That's a crazy situation.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that it's been seven months. Although what I'm

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Speaker 2: a little scared of is is it possible that he

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Speaker 2: fucking found some other girl to drink her blood and

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Speaker 2: that's why he's not talking to Shay anymore. But I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know if Shay needs to get

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Speaker 2: all involved in this, and you know what, before we

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Speaker 2: move on. I don't take a lot of stands on

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Speaker 2: stand on this one. I'm gonna say right here, right now.

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Speaker 2: Now much? What's going on with you? Andy? Not much?

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Speaker 4: No, like they talked on the phone sometimes. She maybe

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I tried to my grandma is this sweet little

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Speaker 2: Andy? Does your grandmother live with you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I currently live with my grandmother.

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you're twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we broke up right before we were supposed to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you should move out of your grandma's house.

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Speaker 4: I just I think it's just weird. Like I've never

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Speaker 2: Would you if like their grandma was really cool?

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Speaker 4: Maybe, but like I would want to have like express

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Speaker 2: Like, well, this is hard because you can express your

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Speaker 2: all right, you guys, have fun. I will be way

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Speaker 2: over there, right. What is your name again, Andy? Andy? Well? Andy,

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Speaker 2: you're not crazy? I'm sorry that this price is making

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Gag of course, man, you have a good night, you too, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I agree. I think that is a boundary crosser. And

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Speaker 7: It is this Dan, Yes, it is what's going on Dan.

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Speaker 3: Uh not much. I was calling the shows. He told

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Speaker 3: Katie obviously told you what I was calling about. Right, Well, what.

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Speaker 2: Enough about that? Let you know we're we're here together,

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Speaker 3: So I've been having this issue ladies with my sexuality.

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Speaker 3: Well kind of get some advice.

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Speaker 2: Or Okay, so you're in a six year you're in

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Speaker 2: You cheat on your girlfriend, I guess, so yeah, you

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Speaker 3: No, it's more of like, I don't know. I was thinking,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if to tell you truth, because it's

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess. I mean, I mean in a

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Speaker 3: I don't know how she would take it. Tell you truth,

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Speaker 2: Why do you think she like flipped the fuck out?

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Speaker 3: Because we've talked about, like, you know, getting married and

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Speaker 2: You're thirty five and now you're discovering that you might

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's not the first time that I've

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Speaker 3: I mean not to you know, not to get too

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00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 3: many details, but he's a little ceutie time. I'm not

440
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 3: gonna lie.

441
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 2: Okay, let me think about this for like a second.

442
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 2: What is important to you?

443
00:25:53,640 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, have having fun? I guess really,

444
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 3: I mean, I know, I know where you're getting at

445
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 3: with that question, but.

446
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not getting anything. I'm trying to get

447
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: at the truth. What is what are you? What is

448
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: important to.

449
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: So basically, I mean, I don't know if it's really

450
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 3: important to me. I mean, besides my family, I mean,

451
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 3: my girlfriend is important to me. I love her, but

452
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: I know this new uh, this new found love that

453
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 3: I'm having with ball it basically I don't know. I

454
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 3: really care about him too as well. He's important to

455
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 3: me as well well.

456
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: Because here's the thing. Okay, if you're a relationship with

457
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: your girlfriend, if you're if you're gonna be in a

458
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: monogamous relationship with a person, uh, if you make that

459
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: decision that that's what you want to do, yeah, you

460
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: gotta sacrifice fucking hooking up with other people if you

461
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: make the decision to being an by anongamous relationship. And

462
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 2: you know, man, if you you know, because as you said,

463
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: you when you were a little bit younger, it sounds

464
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: like you were less comfortable with your sexuality, but now

465
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: you're getting more comfortable with it. And if you make

466
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 2: the decision that you were like, Okay, I actually don't

467
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: want to be with my girlfriend anymore. I want to

468
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 2: start trying to date men. You know, you're you're a

469
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: person of your own agency. You should be able to

470
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: do that. But what what what what is not fair

471
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: to her is if you do that behind her back.

472
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 2: So if that's what you decide you want to do,

473
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: I think it's okay too. And I make different calls

474
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 2: in life.

475
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 3: I got you off real quick, sure, not to uh

476
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 3: just sketch you up, just just so you know, a

477
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: few years back she did cheat on me, and I

478
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 3: forgave her for it. Okay, Now that not to say

479
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 3: that that's why I'm doing this. It's just again someone

480
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: came into my life. Whatever. But I mean that's what

481
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: I think too. So I think you take it like

482
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 3: that and said, hey, now I'm having sex with Paul.

483
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 3: Like she'd be like, oh shit, like he did it

484
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 3: because I you know, I on her, which she believes

485
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: I gave her for it, but I did so I

486
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 3: don't know if that's like subconsciously forget.

487
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 2: Dan, Dan, do you love this person.

488
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 3: Paul?

489
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: Uh? Your girlfriend or my girlfriend?

490
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: I do? I do love her?

491
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, do you feel like she loves you?

492
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think so. I mean we talked

493
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: of like I said, we talk about having a getting married,

494
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 3: you know, we basically talk about having kids. But I

495
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe I don't know. I thought she didn't.

496
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: I think she does. I should say, because.

497
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: Like, and here's the thing this is, this does this

498
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be some like crazy catastrophic thing. Just

499
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: talk to her and I know what you mean. And

500
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: if you guys really do love each other, talk it

501
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: out and fucking work it out, you know. Yeah, but

502
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: she might. She might say. She might, she might say

503
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: to you and yeah, yeah, it's a scary thing to do.

504
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: It's a scary thing to have tough conversations with people.

505
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: It's a scary thing.

506
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: If she might beat me up, dude, I mean, if

507
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: you knew who she was, so I punched me her

508
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 3: in the face, Tilly Drew, I don't want that.

509
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan, she might.

510
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I'm I don't know if you've

511
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: ever been to Boston, bro, but it's how girls act

512
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: around here. That's why. That's why I feel bad for

513
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: Paul though, because Paul sees me talking to her and

514
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and you know, and he's always like, no,

515
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: why don't you have time for me? You know, like,

516
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: why don't we hang out? Stuff like that? Like what

517
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: should I say to Paul?

518
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: You don't. I don't worry about Paul right now. You

519
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: got to deal with what's going on with your girlfriend.

520
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I mean, yeah, you're right, But at

521
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: the same time, I really want and I feel like,

522
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: I'm kind of like leading him on as well. He's

523
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: openly gay.

524
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: Dan, Dan, if you if you want to pursue a

525
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: relationship with Paul again, I don't think there's anything wrong

526
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: with calling an audible in your life, but it's it

527
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't be fair to your girlfriend to do it behind

528
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: her back, so you need to talk to her about it.

529
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 4: Hmm.

530
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: Do you think that you think that she would Uh,

531
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: she would think that I would cheating on her because

532
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: of what happened before.

533
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: I have absolutely no idea what she would think. And

534
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: I think that it would be stupid of us to

535
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: sit here and speculate about it. And I think that

536
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: if you really want to find out the answer to

537
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: that question, you should go find out the answer to

538
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: that question.

539
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 3: Oh that's hard, though, it is hard. But so if

540
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: I if I do do that, yeah, then I mean

541
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: I'm basically uprooting my life everything I've known the past

542
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: six seven years. It's true. And now what now?

543
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 5: Uh?

544
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: Yes, you would be uprooting your life. You would then

545
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: be a thirty five single game man.

546
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: Hm, And you think I should instantly like, I mean,

547
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure Paul wants a relationship at this moment. Okay,

548
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: Like you think I should just know, like ask if

549
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: you you know, I want to start dating.

550
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: Dan, go talk to your girlfriend about this situation, and

551
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: then afterwards you can kind of figure out what you're

552
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: gonna do with Paul.

553
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. But that's the thing though, if I, uh, my

554
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: main thing is like I don't want to blow up

555
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: that piece if the other piece is gonna work out. Like, honestly,

556
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 3: I guess I should start off with more of like

557
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: what should I do with Paul, because I'm not gonna

558
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 3: lie I'm really into Paul.

559
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm gonna this is the last thing

560
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say to you when you say I don't

561
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: want to blow off that piece in case if the

562
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: other piece is working out, Dan, you got Dan, you

563
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: got one chance to live on the fucking universe. Uh,

564
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: if you're gonna get married to someone, if you're gonna like,

565
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: if you're gonna like really be with somebody, and you know,

566
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: this is part of the reason why I I don't

567
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of I haven't had a

568
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: lot of like, uh, monogamous relationships in my life is

569
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: because it's a big commitment. Then I you know, it's

570
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: a whole thing. It's a thing.

571
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: Do you think it's it's ament.

572
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: I'm totally afraid of commitment.

573
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: Oh. I thought it might have to do with the

574
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: fact that you dress up as a get go.

575
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: It could be something there too, But but Dan, if

576
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: you're gonna make that commitment, then fucking make it or

577
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: don't make it? What do you what are you doing

578
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: being like, oh this if this one doesn't work out,

579
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: I got this one. It's like, you don't want to

580
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: be with a person because a thing with a didn't

581
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: person another person didn't work out. It's not a good

582
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: reason to be in a relationship. But that's not a

583
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: good reason to do anything.

584
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean, like, I mean, I know people

585
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: who were married and still like mess around. I mean,

586
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: it's just I mean, I know it sounds stupid because

587
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 3: again I'm a little bit older where times are changing.

588
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: But it's just different than I'm you know, going after

589
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 3: a guy. It's not like another girl, but another girl,

590
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 3: I might not I might feel different about it. Just

591
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: it's different for me to be going after a guy

592
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 3: and Paul. I mean, I'm honestly, I hope Paul is

593
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: listening right now, because I love you, Paul, I really do.

594
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: All right, I'll talk to you later.

595
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: Dan, all right, lady, gega boy.

596
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 4: All right.

597
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sure if that was a

598
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: real person, but it doesn't matter. All right, Dan, Dan

599
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: is an interesting predicament here, Jesus Christ, all right, I

600
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: don't have anything else to say about Dan. That's about on.

601
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 7: Hellope, hey the get hi?

602
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: What's your name?

603
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 6: Jackson?

604
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: Jackson? What's going on with you?

605
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 6: I'm showing in my car right now. It actually relates

606
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 6: to what I called about.

607
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: Please tell me more.

608
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 6: So, I don't know where should I start, Like yesterday

609
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 6: where I like almost crashed in ninety miles an hour or.

610
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: What did you You tried to say that in like

611
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: a cool way?

612
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 6: No, no, actually it was quite terrifying.

613
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 2: But no, let's start from the beginning. Let's just start.

614
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: We can start. You want to start.

615
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, So basically, I'm a car dude. I love fast cars.

616
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 6: I actually build fast cars for work, and I'm like

617
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 6: addicted now to weaving in and out of traffic and

618
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 6: going like every drive I take, I'm like one twenty

619
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 6: like is average?

620
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: Okay.

621
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 6: I love drifting on the streets like I will take

622
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 6: like on ramps fucking sliding.

623
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 5: But like.

624
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 6: It's gotten to the point where like it's a problem

625
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 6: now because I'm interviewing.

626
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: With other people. Yeah, keep going.

627
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 6: So I mean, like even like after work, I've noticed,

628
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 6: like I drive home from work at like the same time,

629
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 6: and I take the same highway. It's like four lanes,

630
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 6: so I'm always fucking I use I utilize all lanes.

631
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 6: I do use my turn signal though, so that is

632
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 6: good that I let other drivers know. But it's gotten

633
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 6: to the point where I see the same cars and

634
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 6: I instantly get over, like they they instantly move out

635
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 6: the way. You can just get right back after I pass.

636
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 6: I don't know if they're afraid. I think they're like, oh,

637
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 6: this car is gonna fucking fly past me.

638
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: Anyways, Okay, Jackson, Jackson, let's slow down here. Why do

639
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: you drive like this?

640
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 6: I don't really know. I like it, Okay, I don't know.

641
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 6: It's like it's it's average to me now. I don't

642
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 6: feel any like concern. I'm like desensitized to it.

643
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: I guess, okay, you you need to stop driving. You

644
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: can't do this because you're gonna because it looks like, dude,

645
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: you know if you if you do, if you do

646
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: some ship where you know you you are addicted to

647
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: some reckless behavior that will fuck you up. You know,

648
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: that's that's one thing that's not good. But this, this

649
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: is gonna fuck up someone else, Like this is not

650
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: to be fucked the car car cars not to be

651
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 2: fucked around with. You know, this is not cool because

652
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: you could just fuck someone else's thing up. It's just

653
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: not cool to do. It's one of those things that

654
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: just makes me like it's just so dumb. Jackson. Don't

655
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: do this. Yeah, don't, don't stop. Give your keys to

656
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: your mom or something until you can like figure this out, man,

657
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: because this is not cool for you. It's not cool

658
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: for anybody.

659
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 6: Mm hmm. I've also noticed it like depends on the

660
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 6: music I'm listening to as well.

661
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: Okay, jack no, don't blame it on the music. No no, Jackson,

662
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: don't blame it on the music.

663
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 6: I'm not trying to blame it on the music. I'm

664
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 6: trying to let's say it like, it definitely increases my

665
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 6: thought to because like I can drive normal. It's just like.

666
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: Okay, if you can, if you Jackson, if you can

667
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 2: drive normal, Jackson, if you can drive normal, drive normal. Yeah,

668
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: this is not cool.

669
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

670
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: Like, man, if you're telling me that you're like, you know,

671
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: into into gambling or drugs or any other sort of

672
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 2: like process addiction or something, then you know, go get help,

673
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: you know, because that'll fuck you up. This will fuck

674
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: other people up too, you know, go if you do.

675
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: If you do you genuinely feel like you have like

676
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 2: a process addiction and you need help.

677
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, but like here's okay, I don't feel.

678
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: Like we'll talk about's the thing.

679
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 6: I like it, I enjoy it, but like, at the

680
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 6: same time, I don't try and put people at too

681
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 6: much of risk. No, you just definitely tell me that

682
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 6: I do.

683
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 2: Yeah to Actually, if you're driving one hundred and twenty

684
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 2: miles an hour, you're putting other people at risk. You

685
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: need to if you feel like you have some sort

686
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: of like I don't know, man, I don't know what's

687
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: up with you. I don't know why you're addicted to danger.

688
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: But you and look, man, you're you're a self aware person.

689
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: You know this about yourself because a lot of people

690
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: there's people on the road who are doing this who

691
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: aren't like doing what you're doing right now, where they're

692
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 2: going like, huh, this might be a problem. I need

693
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: to figure this out. They're just you know, have a

694
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: death wish and going hell, Mary, you know, I'm glad

695
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: that you're self aware enough to know that this is

696
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: a problem. But now that you're aware, you don't you

697
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: fucking gotta handle this. Don't fucking drive like that?

698
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, the problem is it's so fucking.

699
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: Hard, Like, why is it hard? Jackson?

700
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 6: It's so easy, and at least in my card is

701
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 6: fucking you barely flip the throttle and you're already sucking

702
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 6: at a hundred.

703
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 2: Jackson, Jackson, Clay, your dad, tell him take your fucking

704
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: keys away until you can figure this out.

705
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, I need them for I need to get to

706
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 6: work though, that's the thing. I work.

707
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 2: Okay, if you need to get to work to drive

708
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: nor Jackson Jackson, Jackson, do you have a real therapist?

709
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 6: No, my mom's actually a therapist.

710
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: Though your mom's a therapis okay? Have you told your

711
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 2: mom about it all?

712
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 6: Well, she knows a little bit, but like, I'm afraid

713
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 6: she fucking slipped the fuck out if like I showed

714
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 6: her videos and ship.

715
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,959
Speaker 2: Okay, Jackson, you can't keep Jackson, you can't keep driving

716
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: about you. You need to figure out some solutions to this.

717
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I'm not gonna say I you

718
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: know everything, there's there's process addictions that you like, you

719
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: might have some sort of like weird adrenaline addiction or

720
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: uh uh, something going on with yourself that you need

721
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: to take care of. And like I said, I think

722
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 2: it's good that you're self aware about it because that's

723
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 2: the step one. But now you need to fix it, okay,

724
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: And until you fix it, you don't. Until you fix it,

725
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: don't fucking drive.

726
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, fuck man, cars are my goddamn life.

727
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: That's okay. It's okay to like cars. It's okay to

728
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 2: be into cars. It's okay to be into motors and stuff.

729
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 2: But when you get on the road and you're with

730
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: other people, you can't drive like an asshole and get

731
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: a bunch of people care. Cars are fucked up, you know,

732
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: cars are like I'm the reason I'm I don't know.

733
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like I feel like I'm

734
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: not normally this aggressive with people on the phone, but

735
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: I fucking hate cars so much because they're just they're

736
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: just look I look at them the same way a

737
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: lot of people probably look at guns or something like

738
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: they're just you know, death traps, you know, And like

739
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna give you you know, I'm not

740
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 2: trying to be too aggressive here with you, man, because,

741
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: like I'm telling you, you're self aware about this. So

742
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: go try to figure this out. Talk to your mom,

743
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: talk to your parents, talk to whoever you need to

744
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: talk to. But I'm telling you, Jackson, don't, don't. Don't

745
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: keep sucking driving like this. Yeah, okay, mm hmm, all right,

746
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 2: are you gonna talk to your mom?

747
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 6: To be honest, probably not, Like, are you gonna keep

748
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 6: sucking driving like that? I think I'm gonna take a

749
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 6: step in the right direction and try and drive normal

750
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 6: at least when there's other people around, But there's no

751
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 6: guarantees when there's a wide open road that's just sucking

752
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 6: give her hell.

753
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: All right, well, Jackson, listen, I'm gonna I hope that

754
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 2: you make the right decision because if you don't, you're

755
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: gonna kill someone, You're gonna kill yourself. Yeah, so God,

756
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: I'm on you right now. I think, Okay, go talk

757
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: to your mom.

758
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 6: I can't bring myself to do that, so you got

759
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 6: I can bring myself to drive eighty, but I can't

760
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 6: bring myself to All.

761
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: Right, Jackson, you have a problem. You need to talk

762
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 2: to Jackson. You need to talk to a real therapist,

763
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 2: someone who's talked to, someone who's not your mom. Yeah, okay,

764
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: go to go to a fucking go to a local college.

765
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 2: Go find a psychology program. Okay, you can get grad

766
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 2: students to talk to. You can go to a community center.

767
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have insurance, but you can

768
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: get a therapist with insurance. But you need to talk

769
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: to someone. And I don't don't fucking drive like crazy

770
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: on the road, Jackson, don't do that. Yeah, you're right, Okay,

771
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 2: all right, Jackson, I'm gonna I'm gonna let you go,

772
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: but please go try to find some help. Man, Thank you,

773
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: of course, have a good night, you too, dude, Jesus

774
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: Christ Jackson. I hope he find some help. I don't know.

775
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: I'm not an addiction specialist. I don't know what's going

776
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: on in his brain where he has some sort of

777
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: like process addiction toward driving or recklessness. But he, like

778
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: I I met what I said to him over and

779
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: over again about how he's self aware that it's a problem,

780
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 2: which is step one, right, Because, like I said, there's

781
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: people out there going insane that have no idea that

782
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: they're they don't have a problem. Jackson knows he has

783
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: a problem and he needs he's to fix it, and

784
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: he needs to keep his keys in the lock box

785
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: until he does, and I hope does. And it sucks

786
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: that he feels like he has nowhere to turn for it.

787
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 2: By Jackson, if you're listening to this, go find some

788
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: help and stay off the road. The people who listen

789
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: to this, they know I don't normally talk, I don't

790
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: normally react to callers like that, but I was just like, fuck, Hey,

791
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 2: what's your name? Liam?

792
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 8: Liam?

793
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 2: Liam? How can I get you today?

794
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 8: So I have a kind of weird issue. I feel

795
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 8: like I need to reverse come out to my parents

796
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 8: and my family and friends and stuff. Like I came

797
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 8: out as gay when I was thirteen years old, and

798
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 8: you know, back in the day I was, I was

799
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 8: pretty convinced that that was the case. For a while,

800
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 8: I was just super into guys. Even as a child.

801
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 8: I was just really not into women at all. But

802
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 8: over the last i would say year twenty one, now,

803
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 8: i'd say over the last year or so I've definitely

804
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 8: had more of an interest in ladies. Like it's it's

805
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 8: no longer not an option. Does that make sense?

806
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 2: Interesting? Interesting, I've never interesting. I don't think I've heard

807
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: of this before, or I'm sure it happens all the time,

808
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: but I've never talked to somebody who's who's had to

809
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: reverse come out.

810
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 8: You know, It's it's a weird problem. And while my

811
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 8: family was very accepting when I came out as gay,

812
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 8: you know, they were all cool with it. We have

813
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 8: other gay people in a family. My sister's actually engaged

814
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 8: to a lady, which is pretty cool. But it's just

815
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 8: I feel like because I got bullied super hard when

816
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 8: I came out, and there was a whole thing with it,

817
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 8: and I, you know, my friends all abandoned me, and

818
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 8: my family was very supportive then and did a lot

819
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 8: of extra stuff for me that I feel like they

820
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 8: wouldn't have done that wasn't the case. And I feel

821
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 8: like if I tell them now, they're going to think

822
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 8: I did all that for attention or something and just

823
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 8: be really upset with me.

824
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 2: You are afraid that if you tell your parents that

825
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: you are not gay, they're going to think that you

826
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: are doing this for attention?

827
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 8: Yeah, or that I was at least or maybe still am.

828
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 8: I don't know. But it's not that I'm not gay either,

829
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 8: Like I still definitely like dudes, and I probably would

830
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 8: lean towards that direction.

831
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: Okay, but I mean it sounds like are you are

832
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 2: you bisexual?

833
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 8: I would say so, okay.

834
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: Well, by the way, by the way, none of this

835
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 2: this is what what? What you finding? Finding some kind

836
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: of label for what you are is irrelevant to think

837
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 2: this issue that you're describing, it's it's irrelevant because your

838
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: parents what what? What? What about your relationship with your

839
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: parents or what you know about your parents makes you

840
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: think that they will believe that you are doing this

841
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: for attention.

842
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 8: Oh, I mean, it's just I I haven't had a

843
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 8: lot of problems in my life, I guess, and like

844
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 8: my sisters all have, and they all have done stuff

845
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 8: like that as a as a means to gain attention

846
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 8: or favor or whatever the fuck, you know, and I don't.

847
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 8: I don't want them to think that I'm also doing

848
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 8: that because well, you know, they I saw how they

849
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 8: reacted with my sisters and they were not very they're

850
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 8: not very happy about.

851
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: It, you know. Liam. I know it's important for you

852
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: to have a good relationship with your parents, But whether

853
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: or not your parents believe that you know your explorations

854
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: and your sexuality are a call for attention or not,

855
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 2: it's like, who gives a shit what they think about

856
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: you know, your sexual real Like does it? Does it

857
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: really matter if whether or not they believe you're doing

858
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: it for attention, if you know what's going on with you,

859
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: because you are.

860
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 8: Yourself, that's a that's a fair point. Yeah, I mean,

861
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 8: I you bring up a very good point, Gecko.

862
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 7: Hm.

863
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 8: They just I don't want them to be mad at

864
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 8: me or upset with me, and uh, you know, I

865
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 8: don't want it to change things in a way because

866
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 8: I feel like I have a pretty good relationship and

867
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 8: if if they think I was doing something I don't.

868
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 8: I don't want them to start treating me different either,

869
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 8: even if it even even if it's not just that

870
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 8: they're upset at me. Just I want things to to

871
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 8: change because even when it came out as gay, everything,

872
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 8: it was a big change for everything, and they started

873
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 8: treating me differently and I got used to it after

874
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 8: a few years. But like, I don't want that to

875
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 8: happen again.

876
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I think a couple of things. I

877
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: think One, everything you just told me you know about

878
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: how you don't want to be treated any differently, about

879
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 2: how you know, when you came out as gay the

880
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 2: first time, you felt like you were treated differently. Everything

881
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: you just told me you should tell your parents, should

882
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 2: let them know. I don't want to be treated differently.

883
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 2: I felt like I have been treated differently in the

884
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: past because I don't know. They might not know. They

885
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: might they might be treating you differently and thinking that

886
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: they're doing a good thing by doing that. You know, uh,

887
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 2: so they might have no fucking idea that they're doing

888
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: something that's upsetting you. So it's good that you're going

889
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: to tell them that they are doing something that's upsetting you.

890
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 2: And then two are the people who are in your life,

891
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: the people that you choose to let be in your life.

892
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 2: Your your sexuality should really not have anything to do

893
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: with your relationship with them, Like they shouldn't be like

894
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: treating you differently or thinking anything of you because of this,

895
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: like one particular aspect of your life. It should kind

896
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: of be irrelevant to the majority of your friendships and

897
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: with your family, you know, Yeah, because what the fuck

898
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: does any of that have anything to do with you know,

899
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: your relationship with your parents.

900
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a that's a very good point. And I

901
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 8: feel like I understand that, and I feel like they

902
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 8: should understand that, and they just maybe they don't. I

903
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 8: don't know if they're not even like super old either,

904
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 8: Like they're pretty with the terms, if you know what

905
00:51:54,320 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 8: I'm saying, But sure, they just it's they were weird

906
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 8: in between where I feel like they're kind of just

907
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 8: from the don't don't talk about a generation where it's

908
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 8: like it's fine, just don't tell anyone and don't say

909
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 8: anything ever.

910
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: Sure, sure are you gonna? Are you going to tell

911
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: them that you are as you say? Reverse coming out?

912
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 8: They really feel like I should because you know, I

913
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 8: feel like that makes it takes a lot of weight

914
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 8: off of my shoulders as of like who I can

915
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 8: bring around the house and like, but I can actually

916
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 8: start talking to in a in a romantic sense. Ah,

917
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 8: but uh, I just it's a weird conversation and I

918
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 8: wasn't even sure how to do it initially. It actually

919
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 8: ended up because I got super bullied at school for it.

920
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 8: They got a call home that they were saying I

921
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 8: was being bullied from the you know, the school counsel. Uh.

922
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 8: And then they asked me why, and they kept pushing

923
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 8: the problem until I told them, so they kind of

924
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 8: forced my hand the first time. I don't know how

925
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 8: to how to go about that conversation, Like do I

926
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 8: just bring it up or should I like wait for

927
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 8: them to ask?

928
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 2: Well, you you talk. I feel like on this phone

929
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: call we got a few things out of you that

930
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: are important. We know that you don't want to be

931
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 2: treated any differently. And fuck was the other thing you

932
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: just said it just now? Oh we know that we

933
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: know that, And because you just said it just now,

934
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: we know that you telling them would be a weight

935
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: off of your shoulders. That's what you just said. Is

936
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 2: that true?

937
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

938
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: I think so okay, if you telling them would be

939
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 2: a weight off your shoulders, and then yeah, I think

940
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: you should bring it up. As far as how to

941
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: bring it up, well, we know a couple critical parts.

942
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: We know a couple of critical things to include in

943
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 2: the conversation, which is what you just said just now.

944
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to be this is what's going on. Listen,

945
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: there's not I'm still figuring it out. I'm not labeling myself.

946
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: I'm just you know, I'm a young guy. I'm getting

947
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 2: out there. I'm figuring myself out here. Okay. I don't

948
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 2: want to be treated any differently. Just giving you a

949
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: little update on what's going on with my life, ma,

950
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 2: that's it. That's all it is. Doesn't have to be

951
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: a big deal. Just thought i'd let you know.

952
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 8: You know, I feel like knowing my mom, she would

953
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 8: probably she would respond really well to something like that.

954
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 8: And it's just I don't know why I wouldn't just

955
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 8: do it on my own. You know, this is something

956
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 8: I have talked to a real therapist about before.

957
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what did they tell you?

958
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 8: They? I mean, essentially the same thing, but in a

959
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 8: less helpful manner. They were like, oh shit, so I

960
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 8: just dropped a bunch of stuff. Fuck. They They were

961
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 8: just kind of like, I don't understand why you wouldn't

962
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 8: just tell your parents about this sort of way.

963
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 2: And I didn't.

964
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 8: I didn't respond very well to that. It sounded more

965
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 8: like they were arguing with me than trying to help me.

966
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 8: I didn't really like that.

967
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I mean, I think this is

968
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: sort of my final position on it is. You know

969
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 2: what you want, which is to not be treated differently

970
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 2: and to let them know what's going on. That's what

971
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 2: you've expressed to me in this call. So I would

972
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: hope that you have at least a little bit more

973
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 2: of a game plan going into this than you did before,

974
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: if only because you know what you want the end

975
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: result to be. Is that is that accurate? Then let

976
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: me put words in your mouth.

977
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 8: Yes, I would. I would say that's fairly accurate.

978
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 2: Okay, So go forth say what you need to say

979
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 2: to your parents, and I I hope it is true

980
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: that it takes a weight off your shoulders. And also

981
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: like at the end of the day, it's like you

982
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 2: can love your mom, you can love your dad and

983
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 2: still maintain that what they think about you and your

984
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 2: sexuality and really any aspect of your life is kind

985
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: of none of their business.

986
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 8: That's all right. I think I can. I think I

987
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 8: can roll with that.

988
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 2: Okay, good. Is there anything else want to say to

989
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 2: the people of the computer before we go? Liam?

990
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 8: Uh No, No, I don't think so. I mean I

991
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:10,959
Speaker 8: learned a lot from this call.

992
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 2: Uh good.

993
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 8: This is my first time calling in, and I'm kind

994
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 8: of amazed that I got on, So thank you Gek

995
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 8: and good buck.

996
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 2: To future callers, thank you for calling Liam so great

997
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: get mm hmm. See this is this is This is

998
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: an interesting phone calls because I'm trying to keep in mind,

999
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: like it's easy to say to someone like Liam or

1000
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 2: really a lot of people who call in with like

1001
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 2: I have some sort of thing going on that I

1002
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: don't know how my parents will feel about. It's like

1003
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 2: easy to say, well, uh, your parents you you know,

1004
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 2: what they think about your life is irrelevant. They're not

1005
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: you. You have to go live your own life. But I'm

1006
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: also keeping in mind that people have these complex relationships

1007
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: with their parents, and that's an important relationship, the one

1008
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 2: you have with your parents, So they're not as easy

1009
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 2: to maneuver as just saying, well, who cares what they think?

1010
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:24,919
Speaker 2: But who cares what they think? You know? They're your mom,

1011
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: they're your dad. You love them, they love you. They

1012
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 2: have their own life. You have your life, do your thing.

1013
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 5: Never kid goes on the line taking your phone calls

1014
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 5: every night. The beak kid goes to what and Die.

1015
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 5: He's teaching your loud to make your life that He's

1016
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 5: not really an expert