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Speaker 2: those who follow my work. I appreciate you. I appreciate

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Speaker 2: we try to do here Jay is give people information

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Speaker 1: On Thursday recently, a Dallas jury awarded ninety eight million

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Speaker 2: These are the things that I be getting on Crump

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Speaker 2: do think policy needs to be highlighted more so we

431
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 2: go back and forth about, you know, talking about you know,

432
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: why not talk about the policy more so. I have

433
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 2: my issues you know, with him, But all in all,

434
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: nobody is doing this on this level but him. And

435
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 2: by the way, who's suing on behalf of Malcolm Xi's

436
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: family right now?

437
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: Ray yeah, attorney Bank Crump.

438
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 2: So any these other people are they doing it? Why

439
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: they have a name on anything for any motion or

440
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: they stay on the line tes or the oh yeah no,

441
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 2: they always say though with the safety Oh no, we

442
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 2: can't do it because they're gonna come get us. Okay,

443
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 2: So shout out to those who willing to get God. Yeah,

444
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 2: let me say it on more time. Shout out to

445
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: those Shout out to those who are willing to get God.

446
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 2: You think y'all really think y'all saying some of y'all say,

447
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to put my name out

448
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 2: there because I don't want to get docs and they

449
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 2: gonna come, they gonna come give me on my job, right,

450
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: So keep your asking, your non dots posture, but shout

451
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 2: out to those that are actually willing, that are willing

452
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 2: to get docs and willing to lose it all. So yeah,

453
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna always kind of pop my column that jade

454
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: and people don't have to like it, right because I

455
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: know they think I'm thinking I'm better than No, it's not.

456
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: I'm just making the distinction between you and I. When

457
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: some when I'm on the plane and somebody walk abut

458
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 2: and say, hey, Teeslen, what's going on? I have no

459
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 2: clue that person is. If it's somebody that support me,

460
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 2: if it's somebody who's a gin me, if it's somebody

461
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: who want to hurt me, if it's somebody who feel away,

462
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: that's a different level of I don't want to use

463
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: the word anxiety, but a different level of exposure that

464
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 2: people get to hide behind on social media. Right. Oh, No,

465
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 2: we're not the same. I'm not gonna pretend that we're

466
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: the same. I'm not gonna pretend that we got the

467
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: same a stake in this. I'm not gonna pretend that

468
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 2: you get to tell me what to say and what

469
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: not to say, and you're not willing to make the

470
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: same sacrifice. I'm not gonna pretend like you're not we're

471
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: in the same huddle on the game floor, because we're not.

472
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: So although I appreciate what you're saying from the stands

473
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: and I do listen sometimes, but if I tell you

474
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 2: to be quiet, that's exactly what that is. Jay, be quiet, right,

475
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 2: because you don't have to take the heat. You don't

476
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 2: have to take the heat. And I do that even

477
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: with my like if I say, hey, I don't like

478
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: this direction you're going in. I think you're doing too much,

479
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 2: and they say tells that I'm going in that direction,

480
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 2: and that's that shit, whatky end of the day. You

481
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 2: gotta be the one out here taking this heat, right,

482
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: so I can I can't speak on you know, what

483
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: to take, what not to take, and what to do.

484
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 2: So that's just what it is. So shout out to

485
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 2: a turning bedroom clump again. I won't see, don't I

486
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 2: don't see none of these blogs covering this. I don't

487
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: see none of these YouTube beings covering this. I don't

488
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 2: see nobody talking about this, because then you would have

489
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: to try to say something about one hundred million and

490
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 2: then they said, well, they ain't gonna never get it

491
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: or they ain't gona da da da dad. So these

492
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: folks just stay negative, and they stay they they're not

493
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: interested in the long form fight. They're interested in the

494
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: what can I get people upset about? What can I

495
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: get people mad about? How can I continue to create hate? Division?

496
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: Da da da? And you know what sad part about

497
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: it is jade that works in this era, it works

498
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: in the Trump era. We gotta long rod to go.

499
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: It's going to be filled with non stop misinformation, It's

500
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 2: gonna be filled with NonStop drama. I'm sorry that's not

501
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: being hopeful, Jade, but I'm just giving it to you

502
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: like it is. So latch on, buckle up, try to

503
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 2: read as much as you can when you can. But

504
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: just getting out of it and saying I'm done with it,

505
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna put my head in the sand. That's

506
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: not a good idea either. Right.

507
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: Listen, the president of Left is talking about giving police immunity.

508
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: So quite frankly, with this particular ruling that attorney in

509
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: Cramp achieved for the Bothmer John family, we may not

510
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: see it's a possibility we may not see a ruling

511
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: like this in a very very long time, depending.

512
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 2: Hossibility is not they're gonna make again through their I

513
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: know a lot of y'all friends said that Project twenty

514
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: twenty five wasn't a real zame. Well, you don't have

515
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: the name of Project twenty twenty five, but what it's

516
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: called is putting people in position at every level, every branch.

517
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: That's what it's called. So if say, Project twenty twenty

518
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: five bothers you, fine, let's talk about what it does. Though.

519
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: It's putting somebody at every level. And they've been doing this,

520
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: so what's fake about it? What are y'all talking about?

521
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: They've been doing this. That's how they were able to

522
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 2: get roll versus way turned over. So these types of lawsuit.

523
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 2: But I got news for you, family. It ain't just

524
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 2: about nobody getting shot. I'm talking about discrimination at the job.

525
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: I'm talking about I went and got anything that's giving

526
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 2: you anything that's holding anybody accountable for anything with race, gender,

527
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 2: the right thing to do on anything. You are about

528
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: to see in real time what it looked like because

529
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: the attorneys are not gonna take the case because they

530
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 2: can't because they can't do it, and it's about to

531
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 2: get money on the back end like they usually do. Okay,

532
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 2: let me take the case, let me get twenty thousand

533
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: on the back end. That's not gonna happen because there's

534
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: no twenty percent that's coming on the back in. You can't

535
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 2: afford to hire them for a four or five six

536
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 2: year average, two to three years to fight the companies now,

537
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: and I'm talking about with your job. The companies now

538
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: have zero pressure to say, let me just pay this

539
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: and move on because we don't want the negative publicity.

540
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: Because a lot of this what's happening with this administration

541
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 2: is relieving people of anything negative that has anything to

542
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: do with diversity and inclusion. So what used to be

543
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: that slam and say, oh, such and such company not

544
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: hiring black people, are such and such companies let black

545
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: people go? Doesn't matter anymore. They have effectively changed that

546
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: narrative to say, what's the problem, Just go get another

547
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: job somewhere else. Please say about boot straps. So we're

548
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: gonna get a chance to CJ like in real time,

549
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: in real time and not just this year. I'm talking

550
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: about five years down the row, six years down row,

551
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: you know, to see like how this is really gonna

552
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: trickle out? Right? What it really means to have judges

553
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: that can be favorable to you. So all of y'all

554
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: have said you ain't voting, y'all forgot that circuit judges

555
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: were on the bench, were on the ballot, right, and

556
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: so by not voting for those circuit judges, you're gonna

557
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: get a chance. Wait till child support, Wait till that

558
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: bootstrap child support, I start moving with that. They're literally

559
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: picking people up in Detroit, like going to people's house

560
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: wait for child support violation. Yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am. It's

561
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: no more that you know. I used to be just

562
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: you know, if you get a ticket, get pulled over,

563
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: maybe they elevate, you know that type of you know,

564
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: maybe something happening you just no, no, no. They're knocking

565
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: on people's doors, guys. So you can be mad at

566
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: the baby mama. You chose all you want to. You

567
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: can get mad and talk about how women ate this, this, that,

568
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: and all of that if you want you on the

569
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: shave room. But guess what, the people knocking on doors.

570
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: They knocking on doors, and you're gonna be standing before judge,

571
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: pull your boot bootstrap up, judge that they ain't gonna

572
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: give a damn about what's going on with the economy,

573
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: and give a damn about what you're talking about. Ain't

574
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: gonna give a damn about how rough it is, how

575
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: tough it is. They locking your ass up. So, like

576
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: I said, let's just it's unfortunate, but this is what

577
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: it is. Jay. If people don't, I encourage people to

578
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: go back and watch the thirteenth Amendment. Go back and

579
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 2: watch that documentary. This is a good time to refresh

580
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: yourself on that documentary on really how to enslave us.

581
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: If I lock up, if I can get you on

582
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: anything criminal, including child support, you have now officially went

583
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: back into slave captivity. Yeah, so it's about to get rough,

584
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: guys and black women. I just saw posts black women

585
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: saying keep it posted. They said they done saving the world.

586
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: A lot of black women feel that way.

587
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

588
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so even that the division between are the so

589
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: called division, alleged division everyone call between black men and

590
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: black women. This is deep. We're in for hell of

591
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: a riot, Jay, Like, we really are hell of a riot,

592
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: and people aren't gonna really feel it until a year

593
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 2: or two, or three, or four or five for all

594
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: of this stuff to really trickle down.

595
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all funny games and entertainment now that they're seeing,

596
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 1: you know, because a lot of folks voted for the

597
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: President of lacts, so let's see how they like it

598
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: once those policies start rolling in.

599
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that child support and criminalizing child support. I

600
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: bet I bet them people be talking at Voting's too

601
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: late now because y'all don't set up and put in

602
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: all these district judges. So we'll see. But guys, again,

603
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: not trying to be a downer, just trying to give

604
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: it information so you can warn people, so you can

605
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: let people know. Also, hey, brothers in the streets, so

606
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: we better wrap it up. Better sell your last answer weed,

607
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: You better wrap it up because they ain't playing with

608
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: that either. And if y'all silly enough to think he

609
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: talking about the cartel, you are silly as hell. And

610
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: you have not paid attention to history and the ninety

611
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: four crime Bill, because this is about to be the

612
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: ninety four crime Bill times ten. If you think they

613
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: are only going after the cartel, baby and Mayor gon't

614
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: always let them come in one way or the other,

615
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: because if fuel so many things, So did y'all not

616
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: watch anything that had to do with how they funded

617
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: the war. So apparently y'all not paying attention to nothing

618
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 2: at all, the people who are gonna get the who're

619
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: gonna get hurt, or the people at the bottom, the

620
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: drug users and the drug pushers at the bottom. And

621
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: guess what that includes many of you that think you

622
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: are exempt, those who are saying, oh, when when Trump

623
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: talked about gangs and gangs getting a death penalty, and

624
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: if you think he just talking about the cartel and

625
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: not the cartail that sell to pow rules and the

626
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: cartel that sells the bloods and the cartel that sell

627
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: the crips, and the cartail that says if you think

628
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: that's omitting you, you are fool. Now, somebody may say, well, Teslin,

629
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: that's so what. Let's clean up our communities. Let's get

630
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: it straight. Yes, I'm all about cleaning up our communities,

631
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: but you better go back and look at your Everybody

632
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: who got got wasn't selling drugs, right, didn't get caught

633
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: with selling drugs, didn't have a defense, had to take

634
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: a plea because they had nobody to defend them. So

635
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: it's gonna hit a little bit closer than what people think.

636
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: And for those of y'all to say, you know what,

637
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: so what it is? What it is. That's not a

638
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: part of my lifestyle. I don't know nobody in that lifestyle.

639
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: Anybody in my family do that. It is what it is. Okay, cool,

640
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: But for those of us that actually kind of give it,

641
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: damn it. What's about happening to other people that's not necessarily

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Speaker 2: directing affecting me. Yeah, it's it's gonna be. It's it's

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Speaker 2: gonna hit home. And so we we just gonna see it,

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Speaker 2: see it, you know, look at it and see it

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Speaker 2: for what it is. So I hate to end on

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Speaker 2: a down note, but Jay, this is what it's about

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Speaker 2: to be. We got to give people the information so

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Speaker 2: they can know what it is. And maybe I'll do

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Speaker 2: a whole episode on that on What's to Come. So

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Speaker 2: thank you.

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Speaker 1: So hey, hey, this is traight shining on chaster and

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Speaker 1: say you had to give it to a straight that's ma'am.

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Speaker 2: So thank y'all for joining. We'll see y'all next week. Peace. Peace.

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