WEBVTT - Draft Show: The Nitty-Gritty 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:08.719 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:12.160 room for in center news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:16.040 within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:23.440 Dallas Cowboys like DDE Lambs again now your host, Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:30.360 We are just sixteen days away, sixteen short days away. 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.839 We've got about four or five more episodes of the 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.840 Draft Show prior to the twenty twenty one NFL Draft 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:42.160 once again April twenty nine in Cleveland, Ohio. So glad 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:44.320 you're with us here over the next hour as we 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.040 break down some more draft talk, and we've continued this 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:52.160 for what is now thirty five episodes of the Draft 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.000 Show this year. So glad you've been along on this 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:59.160 journey with us. Kyle Yeoman's alongside Kevin, Katie Turner, We've 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.640 got Jeff Cavn, and then Bucky Brooks is on the way. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.280 Of course, Bucky Brooks big time with the NFL network, 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.000 so we're on his schedule whenever it comes to him 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.360 joining our show. We love Bucky and we will see 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:11.760 him coming up here. Just a couple of moments, but 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:16.800 a lot of exciting at least for Draft nerds talk. 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.520 Today because we're gonna get into the nitty gritty. We're 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.199 gonna get into some day three guys to talk about, 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.640 and we're also going to talk about maybe even the 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.840 new age of scouting. But overall, Jeff, I mean, we're 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:31.440 getting into the final couple weeks here. If you had 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:36.039 to peg, what would be the most stressful thing on 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.280 NFL front offices right now? Because I mean there's stress 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.360 all year round, but right now, whenever you're done with 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.759 pro days, those are in the rearview mirror. You've pretty 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.560 much done all of these interviews. What's the most stressful 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.919 part about the draft process leading into these final two weeks? 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:57.320 I think for me it would probably be just when 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:01.240 you get them all kind of an and then you 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:05.280 start really drilling down. Like for me, when I watch tape, 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.519 I just kind of haphazardly put guys in the rounds 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.920 that I think they go, and the order is not 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:12.560 all that important, but I think I have him in 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:14.240 the right order. Then I go back over all my 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.160 notes and I kind of reorder the rounds, and then 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.720 you get to the end and you go, Okay, Caleb Farley, 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.040 how far where do I put you? With your back vasectomies. 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.000 I don't know how to say the actual words. That's 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.200 what I go with his back vasectomies, Like where do 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.360 I put you now? Because I'm gonna tell you right now, 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:35.120 I have Caleb Farley as cornerback eight wow, because I 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.880 just you know that, to me, that is the challenge. 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:41.200 The medical part is the challenge. Like when somebody gives 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.040 you a thumbs up and they say, hey, Caleb Farley 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.160 is going to be he's gonna be okay. In my mind, 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.280 I just go, man, backs don't get better, and so 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.720 where are you actually going to end up? And for me, 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:55.000 it's all right, I'm gonna put you right behind all 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:59.440 the corners that I really like. And then, because it's 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.239 weird that I've talked to Will McClay, we talked to 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.320 Will McLay about this on the fan at one point 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.560 and what do they do with injured guys with red 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.760 medical red flag guys? And he said that they leave 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.560 them where their talent dictates. So like when Jalen Smith 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.760 was picked by the Cowboys, Jalen Smith was sitting on 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.040 their board in the first round way up there at 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:20.640 the very very top, and I was like, man, that 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.080 seems insane to me, and so I'd do it a 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.760 different way. I put them where I would actually pick them. 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.600 And so that's that's that's the thing right now for 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.600 me is killed Farley. Where in the world do I 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.400 put you? And so for me, the answer is cornerback eight. 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.600 I think Jeff hit on it pretty good like the medicals. 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.240 But you know, if you're like me, they ain't no 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.160 stressing out. Baby. We did the work, we got him 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.960 in order, weren't good to go. I don't know. And 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.520 this is where I think I want to ask Bucky, 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.640 because he's lived this life before, maybe the last minute 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:59.200 in house fighting of an organization, maybe you know, you 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.160 get the scouts and maybe a coach comes in, he's 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.760 got a passionate plea on a PowerPoint presentation. But why 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.120 you should take this guy over the guy you like better? 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:09.920 Like maybe that's the type of thing that can cost 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.040 him stress. But I mean, come on, man, we're middle 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:15.600 of April. Now, we're two weeks away. You're either way 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:21.880 to rock or you are. Bucky. Yeah, yeah, I think 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:23.880 when you get down to this process that a lot 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.800 of it depends on who controls the draft, meaning is 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.039 it a coach driven team or is it a front 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.880 office general manager driven team, Because if it's a coach 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.760 driven team, the coach's voice has more sway and more power, 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.120 meaning that when they come in and the coaches who 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.360 may be late in the process come in and kind 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.359 of way in with their opinions, their opinions may cause 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.800 more movement on the board than in an other situation 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:49.480 where the general manager and the scouts to kind of 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.799 run in the process. So a lot of it depends 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.680 on that, but really there shouldn't be a lot of 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:58.279 movement now not necessarily governed by the scouts or the coaches. 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.600 The medical stuff in the background stuff that is, like 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.719 the top decision makers have to deal with that. But 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:06.919 you're Graaties, You're a great and I think we have 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.560 to be careful of not necessarily trying to weigh in 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.120 with the medical, Like it shouldn't impact whatever you saw 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.840 on the player on the tape. Great on that, and 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.839 then whatever happens with the medical is the medical. That's 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.400 kind of exactly what Jeff you were just talking about 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:24.200 of what Will McClay had to say whenever it comes 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.039 to the medicals. I mean, we just saw one hundred 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.760 and fifty prospects go to Indianapolis and get the medicals 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:32.599 checked out. But does that that's not supposed to change. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.000 I'm with you, Jeff, I basically switched the tag as 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:37.960 to where they're going to get picked. Now. Of course 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.240 I didn't get grown up into the scouting world at 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.320 the same time like a Bucky or a Will McClay, 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:47.760 But there's different aspects of the injuries that worried me 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.160 to the point of being able to take a prospect 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:54.400 a little bit later on than usual. Yeah, I would 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.440 think like Will mcclay's initial job was the idea of 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.640 marrying the scouting department with the front office, with the 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.960 coaches and all that, and like this will almost go 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.000 into what we're going to talk about later with the 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.960 rams not going on the road anymore. Like I just wonder, 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.360 is that the best practice to just say, Hey, this 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.520 player is this good, so we put him on the board, 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.120 and then when we get on the clock later in 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.240 the draft and he's falling because of his medicals, we 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.400 just say, our doctors say it's okay, and we pick 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.760 him and we get excited about having a first round talent. 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.599 Or can we marry those two things where the medical 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.039 people are saying, here's how we feel about it, and 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.000 then you actually slot him where you're willing to pick 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.880 them instead of where the talent dictates. I don't know. 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:37.680 To me, that's what I would want my team to 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:42.880 do is not getting on the clock and then looking 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:44.480 up and go, guys, we still got that first round 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.360 guy available. I would want to know, Hey, the first 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.840 round guy with the back or with the knee or 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.720 with the whatever, where did we decide his actual value 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.760 is as a pick? And then that way we don't 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.320 have to go back and forth on it while we're 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.919 on the clock. Would just be like, yeah, he was 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.720 the fourth best player in this draft, and we've decided 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:02.400 we would be willing to pick him as the fortieth 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.880 player in the draft, and so there he sits, instead 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.919 of having to have that debate on the clock. It 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.000 is something that all of these front offices are going 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.920 to have to look at moving into these next couple 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.800 of weeks, especially with the medical information that the media 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:18.640 is not going to have access to. I mean, we 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:20.560 can try as hard as we want, but whenever it 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.320 comes to the one hundred and fifty players that went 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.760 to Indianapolis and had those medical checks. We have no 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.320 idea how those turned out. Maybe Caleb Varley went there 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.760 and proved to teams that he is a top ten 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.720 caliber corner that he is ready to go despite some 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:35.800 of the back issues. So there's a lot of question 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:37.880 marks that are going to come and I think because 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.600 of that, we're going to see a lot of light 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:42.920 bulb picks in the first couple of rounds of the 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.080 NFL Draft coming up here in sixteen days. Let's go 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:50.200 to the final day of the NFL Draft, going all 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.000 the way into May to talk in this first segment, 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.440 And Katie, you brought up this topic in our group 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:57.440 message this week, but we want to have a quick 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.920 Day three round table. We've got about ten minutes twelve 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.320 minutes or so to get to this before we get 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.440 to Twitter on the twenty. But who are some of 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:09.440 the more intriguing Day three guys, kat that come to mind? 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.240 And we'll start on the offensive side of the football, 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:16.160 a position that's the deepest and that's most likely to 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:20.440 be picked by Dallas later in the draft. Yeah, I mean, 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.440 I think wide receivers the deepest, and I don't necessarily 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.320 see them, you know, going that route. But for sure 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:30.080 wide receivers the deepest, and I'll say it. I mean, obviously, 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:31.520 I'm a un t guy, so I always want to 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.600 give Jalen Darten some love. My idea here, you know, 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:36.600 let's just kind of round him. Here's the guys that 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.439 we like and this this. This could be guys that 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.360 are fifth round grades or something, but like just some 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.200 guys who are a little deeper down the line that 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.280 you kind of maybe maybe like maybe you like him 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.120 a little more than the rest of the world. I 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.839 want to throw an offensive tackle because the Cowboys are 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:54.320 gonna be in the offensive tackle market. And I like 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:59.040 this guy from Florida, stone Forsyth. I don't think he's 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.800 bigger run block, but he's six foot eight and he 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.720 moves pretty well for a big man, like I always 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:08.920 enjoy watching when I watched the MAVs play, I always 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.600 enjoy when Bobon's in the game. But Bobon, you know, 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.959 he doesn't move very well. But like a little big 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.800 man love pull Porzingis can move a little bit. I'd 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.480 like to watch the big guys play. Watch Joe Ownbi 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:23.319 last night. He's a truck, but like stone forsythe is 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.680 a pretty good pass blocker for a guy that's six eight. 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.440 So that's a guy who I've got kind of in 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.440 the fourth round, and you know, well, maybe a team 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.760 takes a shot at him, you know, in the third round, 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:36.440 maybe at late day two. But I think he'll probably 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.800 be a Day three guy. But that's kind of my 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.960 late discovery as we've been going on here. Stone Forsythe, 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:47.360 the officive tackle from Florida. Nice. That might be my 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:51.240 second favorite name in the NFL draft, behind Divine Diablo. 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.959 I think that might Stone fourths life. Excuse me, I 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.720 can't even say it. Forsythe might be my favorite name. Jeff, 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.880 is there a Day three guy you're looking at? I 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:02.960 actually think did you? Guys should be really happy. I 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:04.120 think the guy at the top of the list for 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:08.960 me would probably be Jalen Darden. Hey about watching watching 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.520 him the other day. I just I think if you 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.400 can find a guy that's going to be a little 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.320 bit undervalued, whether it's because of level of competition or 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:20.439 whether it's because of in his case size, I mean 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.520 just looking at the number of spots that he gets in, 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:24.640 Like in the screen game where you hit these quick 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:26.679 hitters and you're like, oh, look, there's nowhere to go. 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.240 There's definitely nowhere to go down the sideline, and then 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.600 he teleports and he's down the sideline and he's slipped 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.600 through somewhere where you don't think a human can fit. 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.040 I actually think that that's a really good name, because 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.679 in looking over a lot of the Day three guys, 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.320 I actually didn't see a ton of guys with like 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.880 you know, you're four two or four to three, Like, hey, 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:46.880 can I just find a guy that can bring an 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:50.439 element for me? And I think Darden has a little 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:53.920 bit of that. And for the Cowboys on Day three, 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:58.000 preparing for what's next at wide Receiver should probably be 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.160 part of this for them. You don't have to do 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.480 it early by any means, but with Gallup going into 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.440 the last year of a deal, Maury Cooper has no 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:09.320 guaranteed money left, and the NFL is so much about 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.240 your weapons. Anyway, I think if the right guys there 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:13.840 on day three, and I love the idea of being 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.679 Jail and dardin at North Texas, I think it makes 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:20.120 a lot of sense. Yeah, I think. I think when 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:24.000 you're dealing with like Day three guys like this typically 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.920 comes down to trace and what are the redeeming qualities? 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.440 Is a highway? Speed? Is a production? Can you envision 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.199 them carving out a role, because when you're grading guys 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.199 in the rounds four through seven, you're talking about backup 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:40.040 or developmental players. So how can you see them get 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:45.360 onto the field. Is that as a rotational pass rusher 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.240 or a third or fourth wideout who also makes plays 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.920 on special teams. There has to be something that buys 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.719 them time to give them an opportunity to develop to 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.120 the point where they can get a jersey on Sundays. 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.880 And so when Jeff is talking about speed or trying 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:02.760 to find a four two guy or something, typically when 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:06.040 you're in that that bargain basement, then you're trying to 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.680 find something that you're saying, hey, he has this, we 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.680 can build up on this until he develops or rounds 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:16.520 out the rest of his game. But I liked it, 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.199 you know, go for you ahead, Cole. No, that's all 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.599 ukt Well. I just wanted to give Like, I know 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:24.120 a lot of people are going to say this about 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.800 you know, Jalen Darden because he played at UNT and 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.960 Conference USA and they don't play a lot of top 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.640 flight schools. But do you remember when people would talk 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.280 about the when Cole Beasley left and signed the big 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.880 contract with the Bills and they brought in Randall Cobb 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:40.880 and it was one year, six million or whatever. But 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.719 the discussion was while Beasley maybe a little bit more 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:48.600 shifty underneath and able to get separation underneath, Cobb is 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:50.920 more likely to go win down the field, and Darden 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.360 can do both of those things. And this happens every 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:59.240 year with draft analysts or scouts probably or whoever you know, 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.680 fansy and falling in love with those kind of slot 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.640 type of guys, like pure slot guys, and you have 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:10.400 because of the size and because of maybe some limitations physically, 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.880 they're probably a Day three guy. And I think that's 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.800 probably right for Darden. But like he's got years of 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:20.800 production to back it up, and he's not a fluke, 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.160 Like I just can't say that from you know, and 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.400 I know Kyle, and I've seen you in t play 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.640 a ton because we went there and were proud of it. 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.920 But like he's not a joke. He's not a joke 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.880 at all. So like I think I'm glad that I 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.400 hope people are taking him seriously because and who knows, 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.760 I mean, again, we're probably talking I've got him in 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.400 the fifth round still, because yeah, there's a ton of 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.160 wide receivers and you can't put them all in one 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.079 round when you're stacking them. But I do think, like 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.960 this is not some guy to be slept on. This 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.839 is this is legit. No, he was the programs all 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.880 tithing leader in career receptions with two thirty receiving yards. 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.679 He had almost three thousand receiving yards in his career, 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.440 and he had thirty eight touchdowns and almost half of 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:06.000 those came in last year's short and collegian season. So, like, 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.920 like you said, Kat, not a joke by any means 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.440 whenever we're talking about Jalen Dartins, because we actually think 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.640 he's good. Sure he went to our alma mater, but 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.400 even Jeff just went on a rant about him unprompted, 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.480 and Jeff is not I know what Texas grad, even 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.640 though he likes ACU a lot, and his team also 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.400 wanted a game in the tournament. Now, Bucky, you were 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.840 about to say something, Yeah, So there are a couple 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:31.080 of different things. One when because he's not a small 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.000 school guy, because he's a group of five like I 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.600 would categorize that different than a small school guy would. 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:38.560 I would think your small school guys are the ones 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.440 that play at your FCS or D two level. The 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.760 difference is with all of these guys, Like if you're 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:46.960 not talking about a Power five guy, what you want 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:51.360 to see is do I see consistent dominance of him 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.640 versus his competition? Does he dominate whenever you turn on 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.160 to tape. Then what you would like to do is 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.640 see does he have an opportunity to play against a 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.200 big school? And if he plays against a big school 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.280 and he holds his own or he doesn't look like 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.720 a fish out of water, then you can feel more 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:10.560 confident about the grade that you're giving him based on 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.120 the production and the performance that you've seen him against 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:17.160 smaller competition. The other thing, because we talk about assigning 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.520 round value round value like it's different because it's hard 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.760 like on this side and the team side or whatever, 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.280 but like it might help if you think about it 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:33.160 this way, like think about assigning verbiage to round value, 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.800 meaning first round guys should be guys that come in 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:39.600 and start right away. Second round guys should be maybe 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:43.520 borderline first year starters, but key contributors. Third rounders A 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.360 may take a year or two before they get them 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.560 the field, but by year two or three they should 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.600 be starters. And then fourth through seventh round are those 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:54.560 developmental guys. And in the fourth round typically is someone 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.040 that could have been in that Day one a Day 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.360 two category, but there's an issue. Whatever that issue. It 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.520 could be character, it could be medical, it could be 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.200 just like an inconsistent production. But the skills say that 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.280 he could play up, but for whatever reason, here he is. 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.360 And then as it goes down, your six and seventh 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.200 round guys are kind of like your priority free agents, 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:19.040 meaning I like a couple of skills that would give 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:20.840 them a chance to make a roster, and I like 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:22.760 them enough that I don't want them to hit the 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.160 open market. That's why we're gonna draft him, because we 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.960 want him more so than ay he's a free agent, 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.480 then we're gonna outbid somebody else for him. Are rather 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.960 securious services by expanding a pick on him, as opposed 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:37.280 to competing maybe with others for their free agent market 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.600 that we've seen kind of escalate when guys get out 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:45.600 there after the draft is tongue, lots of thought process. 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.600 Whenever it comes to trap prospects. Now going to the 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:50.960 defensive side, Bucky, do you have any names that stick 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:54.240 out from that side of the football Day three, because, 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.960 I mean we've talked about it previously, but the Cowboys 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.360 with ten picks ten picks overall, there's a lot that's 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.240 gonna go into the defensive side. I mean, you could 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.200 say seven or eight of those guys if they make 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:10.760 all ten picks, could be defensive players. Yeah. So I 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:15.320 think what's interesting about defensive players in this secondary class 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.119 in particulars We're gonna see a run on players and 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.159 some of the notable names are going to end up 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:26.480 on Day three. So like, for instance, prior to last year, 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:30.040 everyone talked about Sean Wade. Sean Way was arguably one 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.480 of the top slot corners. He goes outside this year, 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.560 doesn't play as great, and now we haven't heard about him. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.320 But I would think in the fourth round he will 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.560 probably fourth or fifth round, he's probably going to hear 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.760 his name call just because he has a role that 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.440 you can envision him playing. He was a nickel corner 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.480 at Ohio State. He played his best when he played 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.440 in the slot. If you put him back inside, he 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.359 may play like the player that we saw play the 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:58.480 first two years at Ohio State. There are other players 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.160 that kind of fall into their toy Tray Brown from Oklahoma, 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.639 who is big school guy, same thing, What does his 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.719 best fit, where does he play, how can you envision 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:14.440 him playing philosophically? It really just depends on how you 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.720 view it from a front office standpoint. The Cowboys have 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:22.199 been notorious for going for more smaller school guys in 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.520 the back end of the draft because some people believe 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.080 that there's more potential from a guy that plays at 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.040 a smaller school because he hasn't been afforded all the 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.480 luxuries of guys at bigger schools, meaning training, training table, 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.439 all that stuff, so he has more maybe room to 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.040 grow and develop, whereas a guy at a big school 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.600 has been given everything. And so a lot of it 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:45.399 just depends on how your scouts and coaches view that 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:47.640 process and where do they want to shop at when 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:54.000 it comes to those later round prospects. Jeff, you got 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.959 some names, Okay, yeah, I'll the one, so I know 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:02.240 Jeff likes Tom Graham, the cornerback from Oregon. I actually 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.760 like the other organ cornerback John mdor Lenora. And again, 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:07.600 you know we're talking about Day three that the run 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:11.240 on corners is going to be real interesting because there's 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.280 a lot of ways you can probably stack those guys 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:15.040 and there's a ton of them. It's kind of a 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:18.600 lot like wide receiver in that regard With Lenora, you know, 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.920 I like the way he moves in terms of his 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:25.320 fluidity and things like that. I'm not a fan of 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.679 the lack of ball production. He did get thrown on 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:32.600 a little bit his last couple of years, but you know, 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.160 his better football was at the beginning, and I just 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.440 see that potential there and if we're going like high 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:42.520 end upside, like he had potential to be a true cornerback. 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.360 Wanted organ he I mean, he was their cornerback one, 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.000 but like it just continued to kind of fall off 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.040 a little bit. So I want to find out what happened, 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.639 kind of like Bucky was with Sean Wade, Like what happened, 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:55.879 And it's kind of clear what happened with him. You know, 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:58.520 once you moved him, it began became a bit of 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:03.440 a problem outside. So with Lenor, the potential was always there, 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.720 the upside was always there, and it just didn't finish 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.720 out the right way. In Oregon, and you know they had, 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:12.840 you know, coaching change and all that go down and 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:14.960 all that stuff. But when or's a guy who I 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:16.560 still like and I'm willing to take a chance on 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.760