1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: We are back on forties and free agents. 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal with my friend Daniel Jeremiah in the 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: Chris Westleying podcast studio, talking a little AFC North today. 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: The Black and Blue Division, the division that one day, 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: two decades ago employed you with the Baltimore Ravens. Did 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: you do pay attention to them more now because you 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: once worked for them. 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 3: I also worked for the Cleveland Browns, so happened to 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 3: be in the same good point. But I mean, at 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 3: least my co host really does his homework. 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: I focus on the positive. 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 4: You know, hey, wait a ten. 13 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 3: And six year, one year ten and six, the next year, 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 3: four and twelve, average it out. 15 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: That actually is a feather in your cap. 16 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 3: That you many ten win seasons in the Cleveland Browns 17 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 3: over the last thirty years. 18 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: You literally were there and authored the best season. 19 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, the found got the last two decades. 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: And I started after the draft, which is the draft 21 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 3: they took Joe Thomas, and after free agency, so I 22 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 3: literally had nothing to say that ten and six. 23 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: Nobody would remember that. 24 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: Yes, we're talking AFC North and on my side of things, 25 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: and if you're just joining us, each episode we go 26 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: through the five biggest impacts in free agency, veteran editions, 27 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: and the five biggest impacts in terms of rookies. And 28 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: I got to say, there wasn't as many free agents 29 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: outside of the Steelers. So I'm going to let you 30 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 2: start in this division because I know there are a 31 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: lot of good Reds. 32 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: Okay, we'll get to some Steelers stuff here. Let's start 33 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: with some of these other teams. And let's start with 34 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 3: Malachi Stark's first round pick for the Ravens out of Georgia. 35 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: There are guys that just feel like Ravens. And having 36 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 3: worked there, that's you know. I was there when the 37 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 3: whole play like a Raven thing started and that's the 38 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 3: real deal. They know what their players look like. And 39 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: Malachi Starks, now I'm not talking about it as a player. Now, 40 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk about the person. The makeup, the character 41 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 3: is very similar to the Ed Reid makeup and character. 42 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 3: He is incredibly smart, he's the leader of the defense. 43 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: He galvanizes guys, gets guys to go with him to 44 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: watch tape, all. 45 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 4: That stuff elite off the charts. 46 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: Then you add into that the versatility is someone who 47 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 3: can play the nickel, who can play high I know 48 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: when they run up to the draft, there was a 49 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: you know, there's a desire on the Ravens side of 50 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: things to be able to allow Kyle Hamilton to be 51 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 3: closer to the ball. 52 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 4: So in order to do that, you've got. 53 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: To get someone who can play in the middle of 54 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: the field, and that's exactly what Malachi Starks can do. 55 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 3: So I think it's a great fit from a personality 56 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 3: type for what they love as a player, you know, 57 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: intelligence wise, all those things, and then I think scheme wise, 58 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: it's also a great fit. 59 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: Is he similar personality wise to Edward? Because I don't 60 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: know Edrid well or at all. I have interviewed him once, 61 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: but I've seen him in a lot of interviews and 62 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever met another or seen 63 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: another human. I would say is similar to ed Reid's 64 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 2: personality type. 65 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: He seems like a one on one. 66 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 3: Well that I would say, yeah, from like a cigar 67 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: hat beard combination that there's that vertus. 68 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: The way his mind goes too. But maybe football wise. 69 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: This is I'm talking football and incredible football intelligence and 70 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 3: awareness and smarts. And then it's it's more like the 71 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: kind of magnetism that he has. You know they can 72 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: kind of control things. So that's what what Ed did. 73 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 3: Ed probably and I don't know Starks like that, but 74 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: Ed more verbal, like a little more demonstrative. And obviously 75 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 3: with the success Ed had came the confidence and in 76 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 3: kind of the swagger that came along with it. 77 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 4: I think you'll see Starks. 78 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: I know you like to keep things moving, but you 79 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: were there at the time. I always thought did Ed Reid, 80 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: like did he get to be who he was? Because 81 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: Rayle like, to me, they were such a perfect marriage 82 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: of like leadership types, like those two guys together. 83 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: What was that like? 84 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, this keep in mind we had 85 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 3: Jamal Lewis a two thousand yard rusher that year. You 86 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: had unbelievable offensive line, You had Todd Heap, You had 87 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 3: some players on offense, like real legit Pro Bowl players, 88 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: and it was if the offense was on the field, 89 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: you almost would go to the bathroom because it was 90 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 3: the defense was so fun to watch and not just 91 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 3: like fun to watch defense, like we might have a 92 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: better chance of scoring with Ed, then maybe we would 93 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 3: on offense because he was so prolific at taking the 94 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 3: ball away. I wanted to look this up because while 95 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: you're talking about him. This is getting off off track here, 96 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 3: but Ed Reed, you talked about did the Ravens make 97 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: him or did he make the Ravens. 98 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 4: Go back in college? I mean his. 99 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: Two thousand, so his junior year he had eight interceptions. 100 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: His senior he at nine. He's always been that. 101 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 2: Guy, right, I guess I was thinking even less. Yeah, 102 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: just how incredible it was the last time you saw 103 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: a college kid was seventeen picks in two years. They 104 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: were just like a relationship that just seems like a 105 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: perfect like if they were like a couple that they 106 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: balance each other out like a podcast duo. 107 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: They just balanced each other out. 108 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 4: Well. 109 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 3: They had the thing about him as they were both 110 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 3: probably the two smartest football players I've. 111 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 4: Ever run around. 112 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if jay R Alexander would be 113 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: in that category, but if we're talking Ravens secondary, he 114 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: is one of the non Steelers on my list. 115 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: So I'm going to talk about it there. 116 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: If you look at the Ravens off season, they're really 117 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: running it back. Had a good draft, did not add 118 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: almost anything in free agency. They picked up DeAndre Hopkins 119 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: on a flyer. He's going to be like a fourth 120 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: you know, I like that jay r Alexander is the 121 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: guy that they bring in every year, whether it was 122 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: Ozzie Newsoen back in your day or Eric DaCosta, where 123 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: at the end of the season you're like, wait, when 124 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: did they get him? They got him in June with 125 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: July and how much are they paying him out? They're 126 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 2: only paying him four million dollars. Meanwhile, it's the divisional 127 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: round and he's out there covering t Higgins at a 128 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: high level and you're thinking, how did they get away 129 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 2: with this? Again, that's obviously hoping that he can stay healthy. 130 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: But for them, to me, he was the key addition 131 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: for a secondary that has a chance to be really 132 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 2: good around Kyle Hamilin, and they've. 133 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 3: Done such a good job as you mentioned, with these 134 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 3: veteran type players. Think about Kalais Campbell. I think about 135 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: going back to the receiver position where it was Derek 136 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: Mason one year, a Kwon bold In another year. Like 137 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 3: they've always kind of just found these veterans in that. 138 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: I think, look, we'll see what Houston was one. Yeah, 139 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: very well for them. 140 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: They will go down that road. I mean, shoot, Deon 141 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 3: Sanders at one point in time was one so, I mean, 142 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 3: they've always been able to get something out of veteran guys. 143 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: And you know, we'll see Hopkins will be interesting too. 144 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: I mean, they've got a bunch of receivers. We'll see 145 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 3: what that looks like. 146 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 2: When Jira Alexander plays like he matters, it's just about 147 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: staying on the field. He's really never been on the 148 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: field and not had a high level of play. And 149 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: to me, it's just an intriguing pair there with Nate 150 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 2: Wiggans going into a second year and Marlon Humphrey, guy 151 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 2: who's made a lot of Pro Bowl So a fun 152 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: secondary there. 153 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: All right, give me another rule. 154 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: All right, I'm going to go to let's go to Cincinnati. 155 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to the Bengals, and I'm gonna go 156 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 3: to their second round pick, not their first round pick. 157 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go Demetrius Knight, linebacker out of South Carolina. Again, 158 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 3: middle of the field. We've talked about ray Lewis a 159 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 3: minute ago. You want somebody in there that's intelligent, that's 160 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,239 Speaker 3: smart to kind of be the you know, the control 161 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 3: person for a defense. He can do that. He's not 162 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: necessarily going to have to do all that right away. 163 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: In terms of all the responsibilities. But he is going 164 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 3: to imagine he's going to start, He's going to play 165 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 3: a lot and a chance to be an impactful player 166 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: for a defense that was atrocia last year. So you 167 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 3: bring a new defensive coordinator, we'll see what they can 168 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: do with Al Golden. How different that looks than what 169 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: they've been previously. But when you look linebacker wise, putting 170 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: him and Logan Wilson together, two really really smart guys. 171 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: Fun and tandem, and I think Demetrius Knight would be 172 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: high on the list of rookies that their team needs 173 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:26,119 Speaker 2: to work. Yeah, because he is starting. So I follow 174 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: Paul Dayner. He works for the athletics, so I don't 175 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: want to pretend I'm getting this information myself. And he 176 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 2: says Knight has stepped in there. It's like a joke 177 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: almost how mature he is and he isn't an older rookie, 178 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: but that everyone around him already is starting to look 179 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: to him as a leader, and some of his veteran 180 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: teammates jokingly like call him future captain, and that he's 181 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: really looked good on and off the field. They were 182 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: happy with how he's been in training camp, and so 183 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: he's someone it's just got to work, I think, because 184 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: I think he's going to be out there almost every snap. 185 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 3: Let me give you one random scale thing on him. 186 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: So one of the things in scouting I've always loved 187 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: and had an older scout the game me this advice 188 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: when I was young. They said, you want to talk 189 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: about the competitiveness of a player, there's a couple things 190 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: you can look at. Number One, watch how they compete 191 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: on a point after Like that's a play where it's 192 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 3: basically a give up play. You can see the kick 193 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: and you watch guys who rush hard on that usually 194 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 3: shows you a little something. The other thing he said 195 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: was watch teammates on interceptions, whether that's an offensive teammate 196 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 3: trying to effort to make a tackle or whether that's 197 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: a defensive teammate efforting to make a block. There's a 198 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: game there's a pick six in a South cont I 199 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 3: don't remember who it was against, but he has two knockdown, 200 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 3: two pancakes blocks after a teammate picks off a ball, 201 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: And I was like, Okay, this guy is ultra, ultra 202 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 3: competitive and that matches with the leadership that you're hearing 203 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: about there in Cincinnati, it's. 204 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: A tough to position though. That just worries me because everything. 205 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: At the nerve center. Next time, I think Logan Wilson 206 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: can kind of be the nerve center initially. He can 207 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: just play ball. I want to say, freight and coverage. 208 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 3: That's the only concern I have. 209 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, who is We did a show last 210 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: week on NFL Daily with with my friend Oli Connelly. 211 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: He's like, how many linebackers are excelling? Like everyone is 212 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: targeting these guy. I mean, there are some, but it 213 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: is the exception and that's one that it's the exception, 214 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: not the rule. There's like six to eight guys, and 215 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: that's why the conventional wisdom has been those linebackers take 216 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: you know, two three years till they're really at their best. 217 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: But he's going to have to play right away. I 218 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: don't have a Bengal in my top five. And in 219 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 2: the words of Dave Damaschek, don't don't blame me. 220 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: I didn't do this to you. You did this to you, 221 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: Bengal good. 222 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: You just just don't have a lot of options. So 223 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 2: let's go. Let's go to one of my Steelers. I 224 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: mean it's Aaron Rodgers. This is this is the bet. 225 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 2: This is the big bet that a guy, for the 226 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 2: second time in NFL history, is going to have a 227 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: highly productive season at the quarterback position at the age 228 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: of forty two. It's only happened with one player, and 229 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: that man was Tom Brady. Now he did it another 230 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: three years, so it's possible it's another all time great. 231 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: And the reality is you had no other options because 232 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: you didn't want to pay Justin Fields as much. 233 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 4: As I think I tried on Sam Donald and came up. 234 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I mean, right, Very weird too, because 235 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: it's like they're treating quarterback like another position. They tried 236 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: on Stafford, I have information on that. It just wasn't 237 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: going to happen. They tried on Justin Fields. I think 238 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 2: they gave him an offer that would have been a 239 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 2: raise for him, but it wasn't as big as the 240 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 2: one that the Jets gave. And yeah, they tried a 241 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: little on Donald too. And I don't think the tape 242 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: was great last year. I don't know if you like 243 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: broke it down, but to me, the arms still there 244 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: and the mind is obviously there, but the willingness to 245 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: maybe stay in there and hold the ball, and that 246 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: just wasn't there for me at least. 247 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: So let me just show on the other side of that, 248 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 3: because I agree there's not there's some things that are missing. 249 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 3: But if we just went numbers wise, if with this 250 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 3: Steelers defense that they have, which I'm going to get 251 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: into some pieces here in a second, that they've added 252 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 3: and what they already possess, if Ran Rodgers throws from 253 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: almost four thousand yards complete sixty three percent of his 254 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 3: passes goes twenty eight and eleven, I think they're gonna 255 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: win a lot of games just with that what he 256 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 3: was last year, which nowhere near what Aaron Rodgers has been. 257 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: But even just last year's version that he was with 258 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: the Jets, with this Steelers defense, they're gonna win double 259 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 3: digit games probably. 260 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: They made the playoffs with Russell Wilson and last year. 261 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 4: That's what. I don't know what they got last year. 262 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: I don't think he was better than the combination of 263 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson and Justin Fields last year. And if he was, 264 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: it was marginal because those numbers speak well for him. 265 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 2: If you look at like the success rate and the 266 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 2: EPA per play, it's a you know, it's a lot 267 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: of like seven yard games on third and eleven and 268 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: him just being very safe and ultimately a lot of 269 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: those advanced metrics. He was more around twenty third twenty 270 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: fourth among starters, which is about how he felt he played. 271 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 2: Maybe that's a little bit of an upgrade, but this 272 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: is the bet he's got a chance. 273 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: They have. They have the pieces, certainly on defense to 274 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: get it done. 275 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 3: So that's again that leads to my point, which is 276 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 3: that was my status defense. 277 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: I am that Patrius Knight running down the field. 278 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: There you go, here, you go, good teammate. This defense 279 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: is going to be really good. And you know, I'm 280 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 3: gonna go to the defensive side of the ball and 281 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to the third round pick. And Jack 282 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 3: Sawyer I talked about Malachi Starks's guys I thought were 283 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 3: kind of, you know, built to be Baltimore Ravens. Jack 284 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 3: Sawyer is out of the old school Pittsburgh Steelers playbook. 285 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 3: He is a two hundred and sixty five pound edge setter, 286 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 3: physical presence, kind of a no nonsense guy. He played 287 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: big in the big moments. You think about that that 288 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: playoff game where he has the huge sack of Texas, right, 289 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 3: he has the the sack, forced fumble, scoop and score 290 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 3: like he's he's been big in big moments. 291 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 4: He was kind of their leader. 292 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 3: He's the one who lost his mind when he's getting 293 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 3: planted the flag at Ohio State. Like he just that's 294 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 3: a Steeler type, that's a pride, you know, Like there's 295 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 3: there's guys that just kind of fit with what they do. 296 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 3: And I think that was a theme, I you know, 297 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: I don't think I know that was a theme of 298 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: theirs that they wanted to get back. Have an edge 299 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 3: and Aaron's a little bit of that, right, Aaron Rys 300 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 3: he has an edge. He has an edge to him. 301 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 3: He's not the night like you would say, if we're 302 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 3: gonna go nice meter, I would put Justin Fields and 303 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 3: Russell Wilson on another stratosphere in terms of how they 304 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 3: would be viewed as like nice guy versus an edgy guy. 305 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: You do hear reports of him absolutely staring down Roman 306 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: Wilson when he's not running the right routes and trading point. 307 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 3: So and then we add to that, Okay, defensive line wise, 308 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 3: Dereck Harmon in the first round, who's you know, big dude, 309 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 3: physical presence y a black who's gosh, what three thirty 310 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 3: three forty out of Iowa. They get him in the 311 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: fifth round. You had Sawyer in there, Jalen Ramsey, who 312 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 3: is a junkyard dog. I'm sure you're going to get 313 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 3: to him in a second, but overall you can see 314 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: even DK Metcalf. 315 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 4: Looks like a bully, just like you. My pick. 316 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 3: That's they They have gone with a theme in the 317 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 3: off season, which was We're going to be the rugged, 318 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 3: edgy Pittsburgh Steelers, and I think Jack Sawyer getting back 319 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: to where I started on this whole rant is part 320 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 3: of that part. 321 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: It's been a great rant and I love being able 322 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: to talk to you about these draft picks because Jack 323 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 2: Sawyer is a guy, and I want how much you 324 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: pay attention to this that. I feel like the NFL 325 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 2: draft knicks out there, the internet dudes for lack of 326 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 2: a better word, without the maybe the exact same platform, 327 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: but very knowledgeable in their own right, doing a lot 328 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: of work on the draft. I feel like they were 329 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: they were out on Jack Sawyer. I feel like he 330 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 2: was not a draftknick guy, and ultimately I guess the 331 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: NFL what kind of a what pick agreed because he 332 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 2: ended up going in the fourth round, So maybe he's 333 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: just a victim. 334 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 4: Of he was the one and twenty third pick. 335 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a well known guy who fell a little 336 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 2: bit in the my seventieth player, so you did like him. 337 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: He is at a position, how would you answer, Because 338 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: it's supposed to be most of the biggest impact. He 339 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: is at a position I would argue is as good 340 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: as literally any position group, at any position in the 341 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: entire NFL. You have Tjatt, Alex Highsmith, and Nick Herbrig 342 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: who's been really good for them too. 343 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great foursome. I think they roll those 344 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 3: guys through and I think, to me, it's going to 345 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: be fascinating to see how him and high Smith could 346 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 3: could pair up there because I think on some of 347 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 3: those early downs, if you want Jack Story to get 348 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 3: out there on first second down, let him get out 349 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 3: there and make an impact on it against the run 350 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: for sure. 351 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: So that leads to my Jalen Ramsey pick because I 352 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 2: hope you're right. I hope they do rotate a little 353 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: bit more. 354 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: TJ. 355 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: Witt never left the field last year. He never even 356 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: left his side of the field. He just wining up 357 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: the same side like a thousand snaps and I'd like 358 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: to see the guys moving around a little more, maybe 359 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: use some of your depth a little more. And that 360 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: is one thing I think Jalen Ramsey is going to 361 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: allow you to do. Just an instinctive, athletic, versatile guy 362 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 2: who in camp you know he's going to be there, Nickel. 363 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: Everyone wants their own Cooper dejen type of player. Well 364 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: how about the guy who was you know, winning a 365 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: Super Bowl doing it for the Rams a few years ago. 366 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: But it has interested me. I think for the first 367 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: time in his career. They say when they're out there, 368 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: just four defensive backs on the field. He's playing safety 369 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 2: for them, which which is new. And I do think 370 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey has one great year left in it. Just 371 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: he's one of those players. He reminds me a little 372 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: bit of TiO every time too showed up at a 373 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: new spot. He would be a first ballot Hall of 374 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 2: Famer for that first year there. Jalen Ramsey, I don't 375 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: think his teammates love him. Everyone views him as a leader, 376 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: so that's a difference. But his first season in new 377 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: places has gone amazingly and then for whatever reason, after 378 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: a few years, it's like that team is ready to 379 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: move on. I think Jalen Ramsey is ready to have that. 380 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 3: That type of season. I think that was I think 381 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 3: that is a good rant. Jalen Ramsey likes a challenge, 382 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: and I think they have challenged him. They've challenged him 383 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: by us him in all these different spots, and it's 384 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 3: going to be matchup based. There's going to be games 385 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 3: where he is going to live in the slot, and 386 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 3: that's going to be where he's going to be a 387 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 3: presence not only in coverage, but someone who can force 388 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 3: the run. 389 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 4: You can blitz him. 390 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: And there's gonna be other games where he's literally gonna 391 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 3: be playing as the high safety and just kind of 392 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 3: playing on top of that Christmas tree, as my buddy 393 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks likes to say, where he can just kind of, 394 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 3: you know, roam over the top and free him up, 395 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: let his instincts play. But everything that I've got out 396 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: of there has been off the charts in terms of 397 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: the competitiveness that he's brought to practice. He's engaged and 398 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 3: he's enjoying the challenge of the rules they're giving him. 399 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 2: What a cool room there with Darius Slay, who I 400 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 2: know he's not gonna make it a Hall of Fame 401 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 2: or anything, but is like one of my just favorite 402 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 2: players and personalities over the last decade. 403 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: And then you have Joey Porter, ju you like Chuck 404 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: Clark too. 405 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: I mean, like they've got Elliott who played I mean, 406 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: if you look at it to Shaun Elliott, there's some 407 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 3: people in the league that would say, if you look 408 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 3: at him and make a Fitzpatrick last year and say 409 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 3: who played better, they would lean towards Elliott. 410 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 2: I think if you looked at the people in the 411 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: Steelers organization, they would they would say to Shawn Elliott, 412 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: the people love them some. To Shaun Elliott that that's 413 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: a really interesting point about Bucky and the Christmas Tree, 414 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 2: because you know, if he's going to do that, Minco 415 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: was extra. I mean, I think that could be an 416 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: upgrade for them. Let's try to upgrade on our first 417 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 2: few picks after this break, do even better back on 418 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: forties and free agents. Talking about the biggest pickups in 419 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: the AFC North, and if there's Browns fans out there, 420 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 2: Bengals fans like, why didn't you know talk about us 421 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 2: mart Well, little Brown's coming. But the Steelers changed who 422 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: they were this offseason. Suddenly they became the team that 423 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: gave us a lot to talk about, and they became 424 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: an off season team, and so I guess I'll go 425 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: with DK. You mentioned it, yeah earlier those let's just 426 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 2: talk DK. How do you think he fits with Aaron 427 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: Rodgers and this offense? Because it's a pretty big drop 428 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 2: off at least that wide receiver from one to two. 429 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: What is that mix in an Arthur Smith, Aaron Rodgers, 430 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: DK Metcalf offense. It's just if you had told me 431 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 2: that three years ago, like that is kind of a 432 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 2: mind blowing combination of names that we'll be working together, 433 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: which is. 434 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 4: Exactly why I'm going to give you the reason. 435 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 3: I I have no idea Okay, well it's going to 436 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 3: look like or how it's going to work. But I 437 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 3: do know you know, DK is going to be able 438 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 3: to get vertical and Aaron to me, this offense is 439 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 3: going to be a heavy, you know, twelve personnel team. 440 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 3: I think you'll see them john Nehus Smith, they love. 441 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 3: So he's going to be out there on the field 442 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 3: a lot him. He didn't make your list there, I 443 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 3: don't think he did. Not maybe an oversight on your port. 444 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: I mean how many Steelers can I put in? I 445 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: went with the big names. 446 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 4: There's a lot of new pieces here. 447 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 3: But you know, with with Firemouth and John new Smith, 448 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 3: I think they're in a lot of twelve personnel. I 449 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 3: think they really want to run the ball. I also 450 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 3: think you could see, you know, some thirteen personnel even 451 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: when you've got a freaking monster human being. 452 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: I've got a number. I got a number for you 453 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 2: on that. You know who ran the most thirteen personnels 454 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 2: of any team in the NFL last year? 455 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 4: Who's that? 456 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steeler? 457 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 4: There you go. 458 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: I think Washington is third tackle. He's amazing, He's enormous. 459 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 2: He might be the best tight end on this team overall. 460 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 2: I think he has a real ceiling to do something. 461 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 4: To one better. Okay, I he's the best tackle on 462 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 4: our team. 463 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 3: That's interesting, and I like and I like, and I 464 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 3: really like Fatanu the right tackle and we'll see what 465 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 3: broduct Jones can be. 466 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 4: But just in terms of talent, he's got the frame 467 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 4: to do it. 468 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 3: If you're gonna if you want to earmark this for 469 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 3: three years down the road, and we're talking about Jason 470 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 3: Peters two point zero, it's this dude. 471 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: Well, that gets to what I was saying, and I 472 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 2: wouldn't have the scouting chops. You know, I'm trying. I 473 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 2: put my work in, but I wouldn't have the scouting 474 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: chops to be that strong on his offensive line play 475 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 2: and is blocking. But everyone I trust says something similar. 476 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: And yet when he gets out in the open field 477 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: and you see his hands, I can run. How many 478 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: other players are like that in the league. No, he's 479 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: a unicorn, But I mean that's to me. This goes 480 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: back to your DK point of what this offense is 481 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: going to look like. Think about if you're in thirteen 482 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: personnel with the tight ends, and then you know, now, okay, 483 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 2: we want to be a heavy team. 484 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 4: We're going to run the ball, run the ball, run 485 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 4: the ball. 486 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 3: And now we get DK out there and you know 487 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 3: he gets some one on ones and take your shots. 488 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 2: Well, they said in training camp, when the reporters are watching, 489 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 2: they got in four personnel. I don't even know what 490 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 2: to call that. One stop. They had John New in 491 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 2: the backfield and three other tight ends. I'm not true. 492 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: The third title Connor Hayward, Yeah, I believe was the 493 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 2: other tight end. And so that they're just going wild here. 494 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 2: It's a long way of talking about DK and his 495 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 2: route tree. I did want to mention that all the 496 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 2: reports out of camp like they're living on his slants, 497 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: So maybe. 498 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 4: It's keep him on the move. 499 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, a little. 500 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: More yards after catch, maybe a little more little less 501 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 2: go balls. That's the thing I was frustrated watching Aaron Rodgers. 502 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 2: I think Garret Wilson got a little frustrated with Aaron Rodgers. 503 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: Maybe not as willing to take as many shots down 504 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 2: the field. 505 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: So it's going to be the shorter shots. 506 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 4: Can I pull up? 507 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 3: Because this is why I love doing this show, because 508 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 3: then I just go into my notes because I like 509 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 3: seeing who if these guys change a lot from when 510 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 3: they were coming out to what they are now. So 511 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna pull up some DK metcalf notes. He 512 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: reminded me of Demerius Thomas. I can fight through press, burst, 513 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 3: wall off on slants, a nice one hand catch versus Bama. 514 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 3: He's not great working back to the quarterback, not great 515 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 3: getting in and out. Keep him on the move, So. 516 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: That's still true. 517 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 4: That's who he is. 518 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: I mean, he's gotten better, more well rounded as an 519 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: NFL player. The Dmerius Thomas comp is a really good one. 520 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 2: You think of the most favorite yeah, Marius Thomas play 521 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 2: of all time. You didn't actually see as much of 522 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: that with Seattle, so I would look forward to it now. 523 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 3: By the way, going back to DK, he was two 524 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 3: hundred and twenty eight pounds coming out. He ran four 525 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 3: to three three. That's when he ran the forty. I say, 526 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 3: it looks like he's in a Batman suit. 527 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: It's one of those drafts that I do think if 528 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 2: it had happened five years later, receivers were just falling 529 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: a little more than or maybe I'm wrong, but it 530 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 2: seems completely bizarre that the Dk Metcalf Aaron AJ Brown 531 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: picture of them flexing as college teammates, that those two 532 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 2: gentlemen with like those freaks, How did they fall to 533 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: the late second round? 534 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: Both of them? 535 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 3: All right, no, I have to open it back up. 536 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 3: So that was nineteen So DK Metcalf was my twenty 537 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 3: first player. He was the sixty fourth pick. 538 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: W another W for DJ. 539 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 4: Let's go. 540 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 3: AJ Brown was a lot. AJ Brown was my thirty 541 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 3: sixth player, was the fifty first pick. 542 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 4: Both of those. 543 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: Guys were What were we doing at the NFL back then? 544 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 2: I don't know they weren't listening to you. 545 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 4: I don't know. 546 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: So you go back through this database. 547 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 3: I always do this just to show how this whole 548 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 3: thing works. Hey, great job you had Aj Brown thirty six, 549 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 3: just one spot behind Jerry Tillery. I mean they're the 550 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 3: same guy, same career. I did have one spot over 551 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 3: and to kill Harry though, give me that one good job, 552 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 3: thank you. That was a mistake that the Bill Belichick made. 553 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: And who knows if he had drafted AJ Brown like 554 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 2: instead of Nick, kill Harry, just that one pick different. 555 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 4: Maybe he's still there. 556 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe he's there, Maybe Jordan Hudson is running the 557 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 2: personnel's department. 558 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna because we've done so much Dealers and 559 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 3: I know people that are probably fans and these other teams. Okay, 560 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 3: just glossing over it. But I did have Caleb Johnson 561 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 3: down as one of my guys. Third round pick, running back, 562 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,479 Speaker 3: foot in the ground, go like, that's what he is. 563 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 3: He's kind of just he's a no nonsense North South. 564 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 3: He's big, he's fast. I don't think there's a ton 565 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 3: of wiggle there for me, but there's he's going to 566 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 3: fit there. They're going to try and moll people create 567 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 3: a crease and let him see if he hit some 568 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 3: home runs they haven't had that. 569 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 2: He's then Aja Harris roll with a little more exulessness 570 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 2: virtus and they're not going to ask him to be 571 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: on the field every down for fantasy owners like Jalen 572 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: Warren is going to have a role. 573 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: They like what they see out of Kenneth Gainwell. Who's 574 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: a good player. 575 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 3: Just the no, no, no, They love really what they've 576 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 3: seen out of Kenneth Gainwell. That's that's on the the 577 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 3: fantasy football list on the side, Kenneth Ganewell. And they 578 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 3: look if he they feel like in that building, what 579 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,719 Speaker 3: you saw, you know with him behind Sakuon Barkley, Like 580 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 3: just what if you just give him a little bit more? 581 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 3: He was excellent there And they've they've loved Kenneth Gainwell. 582 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: Well. 583 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: I will never forget a Super Bowl performance by an 584 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: awesome Eagles offense at the highest of levels against a 585 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: Steve Spagnolo defense going up and down the field. They 586 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 2: didn't win the game, but the offense did their job. 587 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 2: Like who's the running back that was on the field 588 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 2: that they trusted the most. It's Kenneth Gainwell. Like in 589 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 2: the biggest of spots, all right. 590 00:24:58,920 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 4: Left, what you got? 591 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: I got Pickett, Kenny Pickett. 592 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 3: That's funny because I've got can I just my last one. 593 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 4: I couldn't. 594 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 3: I couldn't pick So I've paired him up. Dylan Gabriel 595 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 3: and She'd were saying, Okay, so I just have this 596 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: whole discussion. Let's talk about the Browns quarterbacks. Kenny Pickett 597 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 3: to me was a missed opportunity. So I haven't been 598 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 3: impressed with his film. 599 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 2: I don't love the idea that two teams, including the Steelers, 600 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: have essentially given him away. Steelers, in hindsight, got a 601 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: pretty good value for him from the Eagles in that trade. 602 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: The Eagles just got a fifth round pick back in 603 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: that trade in DTR Like, why didn't they get more 604 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 2: aggressive in going after trying to upgrade the position? 605 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: I have no like. 606 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: Joe Flacco makes sense there, he knows the system. It's 607 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: good to have a veteran in the room. It was cheap, 608 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 2: it makes sense. But Kenny Pickett was the guy that 609 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: they've gone into camp with and said, we kind of 610 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 2: hope he wins this job. 611 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: We want to develop him. 612 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 2: He has a chance for the future weird bet with 613 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 2: one of the most expensive rosters in the league. I 614 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 2: know they're a rebuilding team. Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't. 615 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 2: But I think he's going to have a big impact 616 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: because if he doesn't work, I think it just is 617 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 2: a big swing in a mess. 618 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 3: It's a question that I've been asked probably more than 619 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 3: any other in training camp. During training camp, and as 620 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,959 Speaker 3: we're recording this, we haven't seen the preseason yet, so this, uh, 621 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 3: you know, we've already had a Browns game. We haven't 622 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 3: seen that when we're talking here, So I want to get. 623 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 4: That out there. 624 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 3: But I don't know where he fits. I've been asked this, 625 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 3: how does this quarterback thing shake out? And I've said, okay, well, 626 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 3: Joe flaccole feels like the week one starter, like they're 627 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 3: comfortable with him, they know who he is, like he's 628 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 3: on the team as that as that guy. And then 629 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: it feels like you're not going to get rid of 630 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: a third or a fifth round pick, you know, if 631 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 3: the fifth round pick being shoot or standers, because the 632 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 3: talent that was, you know, warranted a higher selection that 633 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 3: so you're not going to give up on the two 634 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: young guys you don't really know what you have there. 635 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 3: So then it just leaves me with Kenny Pickett. I'm like, 636 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 3: are they going to roster four guys? I don't think so. 637 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 3: And then is it are they just looking around the 638 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 3: league to see, you know, is there an injury? And 639 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 3: then does that provide an opportunity to trade him? But 640 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 3: then they've talked him up so much, so part of 641 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 3: me's like, well, they talked him up because they really 642 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 3: like him, and the other parbaby is like, oh, it's 643 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 3: just a pump and dump. They're they're they're talking him 644 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 3: up so they can create value for him to go 645 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 3: somewhere else. It feels like they went into the draft 646 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 3: knowing they wanted to have a younger option. They had 647 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 3: that younger option with Canny Pickett, and they're like, hey, 648 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 3: if something works out, maybe you know, maybe we could 649 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 3: draft one as well. 650 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 4: So then they love Dylan Gabriel. He's there. 651 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 3: Then they took him in the third round, and then 652 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 3: Shador after they'd pass on him a million times, eventually 653 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 3: like we can't pass on him anymore, and they just 654 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 3: kind of find themselves in this weird position with these 655 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,719 Speaker 3: four quarterbacks. 656 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: And Gabriel struggled in training camp. By all accounts, Shouldar 657 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 2: Standers has had more impressive moments where he looks like, 658 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 2: you know, bigger potential, but he's a developmental quarterback. 659 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: He's a fifth round pick. 660 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 3: Well, but again he was so much higher rate on 661 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 3: my just selfishly looking at it the way I saw 662 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 3: both these guys come into the process. I went on 663 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 3: pardon my take before the draft, and they said, give 664 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 3: us a Brock Purdy type quarterback, a quarterback who could 665 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 3: go in the sixth or seventh round and he ends 666 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 3: up being a starter down the line, like who's your guy? 667 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 3: And I'm like, Dylan Gabriel, Well, that doesn't work when 668 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 3: he goes the third round. 669 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 4: So that was kind. 670 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 2: Of where I thought, maybe it's Suar Sanders, is you're 671 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: Brock pretty like guy, because honestly they the strengths are 672 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,239 Speaker 2: not that different between Shaudur if he's gonna work at 673 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 2: the pro level, and a rock party. 674 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 3: Type yeah type, No, he's in that family. I've kind 675 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 3: of said that that archetype right of quarterback Joe Burrow 676 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 3: is at the very top of that mountain, and then 677 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 3: like Brock Purty kind of factors in there below him. 678 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 4: In that level. 679 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 3: Shoudear Sanders is in that line of style of quarterbacks. 680 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 3: Now people can say it's the Kirkland brand or whatever 681 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: you want to however you want to use that, but 682 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 3: that's how he's gonna win. Is going to be playing 683 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: that brand of football. So when I when I go 684 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 3: back and look at Shador, he was my twentieth overall player. 685 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 3: And then when you go out and look at where 686 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 3: is he here? 687 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Dylan Gabriel was one forty eight. 688 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: That's a pretty big difference. 689 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 2: And the reporters that have been there at the Browns 690 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: would say, your ranking sounds right. Should looks like a nice, 691 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 2: interesting young player who has some potential, and Gabriel is 692 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: just not ready for it quite yet. 693 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 4: So but do they keep four? They're not keep four. 694 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 4: It's fascinating. 695 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: I don't think they will keep four. I do think 696 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 2: Andrew Berry should take, you know, more grief for the 697 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: roster that he's built. 698 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 3: So it's really the craziest thing when we do these 699 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 3: discussions on them, is that they have to Shaun Watson 700 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 3: right well on the roster just kind of yeah. 701 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: That's the that's the original sin. 702 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 2: But the reality is, like they're in year five of 703 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: this this group and the rest of the roster has 704 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 2: its share of issues too, And so I think just 705 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 2: going into this season, and by the way, if it's 706 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: a pump and dump, I mean, what are you dumping 707 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 2: it for at this point? 708 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it depends on who gets hurt. 709 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: It's a penny stock. I don't think. I don't think it's. 710 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 3: Another thing though, is that again? Is you just look 711 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 3: at how it's projected right now. I'll give take it on. 712 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 3: Take a Ton's a great website if if you love 713 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 3: the draft, you want to keep up with like how 714 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 3: the draft order is projecting out as the season goes 715 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 3: along and keeping up with it week to week. They 716 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 3: do a good, great job of it, but they project 717 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 3: before the season. Next year's draft, the Browns have the 718 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 3: second overall pick and the ninth overall pick, which would 719 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,719 Speaker 3: be from Jacksonville. So their quarterback discussion, as elongated as 720 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 3: it is right now, their long term quarterback is more 721 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 3: than likely in next year's draft. 722 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 2: Life that is, it's a fair point. We did it, 723 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: We talked about the Browns quarterback. We get to do 724 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 2: our bonus, bab it is time for our wild cards. 725 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: I always forget how you name that wild card bonus, 726 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 2: baby hasn't. 727 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: I wonder if you had Shuder Sanders, by the way 728 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: higher than Kenny Pickett when he was coming out. 729 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 3: I bet you, yeah, yeah, a little bit higher, but 730 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 3: some similar but higher. My wild card is Tyler Loop Wow. 731 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 3: For the Baltimore Ravens. Look, they had such a long 732 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 3: run with Tucker and everybody knows what you know transpired 733 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 3: away from the football field, and then his play had 734 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 3: tailed off over the last couple of years. But in 735 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 3: a nice run that they had there, it was when 736 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 3: they got to the freaking forty yard line, it was 737 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 3: three points. I mean, this guy's got a huge leg. 738 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 3: So we'll see Loops done. He saw in the preseason 739 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 3: Game of the Night. I think he missed one. Yeah, 740 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: had a miss so you could see the leg strength. 741 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 1: With Justin Tucker. You know, I missed that and this 742 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: year he would have last year at least. 743 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 3: I'm Tucker and it didn't miss anything. So I think 744 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 3: that's it's fair. We're talking about this division. We talked 745 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 3: a lot about the Pittsburgh Steelers, the CINCINNTI Bengals with 746 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow and that offense are going to be in 747 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 3: the mix, like there's going to be games for them 748 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 3: that come down to Tyler Loop. 749 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 2: I feel bad for not talking any Bengals, so I'll 750 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: just throw out no a fan. Why not it's my 751 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: wild card, Okay, because it's more it's more as a 752 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 2: reminder that they just didn't add a lot this off season. 753 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: Of course, you're happy that you give Chase and Higgins 754 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 2: all that money, but they've they've been there. That's not 755 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 2: a reason to think you're going to get better. Have 756 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 2: a couple of draft picks that they can get excited about. 757 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 2: You mentioned Demetrius Knight. You know they have the first 758 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 2: round pick Shamar Stewart. But ultimately they kind of ran 759 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: back the same defense that wasn't very good last year, 760 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 2: and then on offense, Like I think they could have 761 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: gotten better on the offensive line than they really did. 762 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 2: They don't have a lot of depths, specially at tackle. 763 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 2: There's questions at guard as well. The one move they 764 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 2: made in the middle of training camp was bringing in 765 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 2: Noah Fan, another tight end and so just building strength 766 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: and strength. I don't mind that. 767 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: I like that move. 768 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: I think he can fill a role kind of with 769 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: Mike Gasiki as the slot guy in fans there, and 770 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: they just have a plethora of weapons. But to me, 771 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 2: it was a reminder like the Bengals, they didn't give 772 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 2: you a lot of reasons to feel like this is 773 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 2: a better team other than you change your defensive coordinator. 774 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 775 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 3: I mean, they're gonna need these young rookies to play well. 776 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 3: Demetrius Knight, Schamar Stewart gonna have to play big roles 777 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 3: for him, and you know offensively the tight end Position's 778 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 3: funny that you mentioned that Tanner McLaughlin was like one 779 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 3: of my sleepers. I loved him coming out of Arizona. 780 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 3: He was older player, so he ended up dropping to 781 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 3: the sixth round. I thought he was worth like a 782 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,719 Speaker 3: third round pick. But now that I look at I'm 783 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 3: gonna get their roster. 784 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: He's buried because drew sample plays for them. 785 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 3: Drew sample plays. You have fan now Eck who they likes. Sorry, 786 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 3: Eric All the kid who he had been hurt coming 787 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 3: out too. And the other night Tanner Hudson got two touchdowns, 788 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 3: one at the beginning of the game and one at 789 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 3: the end of the game, which that's a lot of 790 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 3: football to be playing Week one in the preseason for 791 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 3: Tanner Hudson, but they obviously like him, so he is 792 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 3: one hundred buried on that depth chart. 793 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, if I wanted to spin something positive too. 794 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 2: You know who's out there starting for them with Joe 795 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,479 Speaker 2: Burrow and the ones and had some nice plays by 796 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 2: all counts rookie guard Dylan Fairchild. 797 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: So that's another rookie man Yl. 798 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 2: Rookies. See, I felt bad because I'm I'm rooting for 799 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 2: the Bengals. I want the Westling brothers to be happy. 800 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 4: That's fair. 801 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: They're rooting on them out there. 802 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 4: They just I mean, I do think it's interest. 803 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 3: They're playing their offensive guys here in the preseason after 804 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 3: their slow starts the last few years. 805 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 2: It's one of these off season narratives that I've been 806 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 2: gotten sick of. Like since January, Zach Taylor has been 807 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 2: talking about we got to start faster, we got to 808 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 2: start faster. We're going to do it, like we'll see 809 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 2: maybe playing and in the preseason can change everything. We're 810 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 2: ready to go, like we don't need to warm up. 811 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 2: These forties and free agents have been flying. We will 812 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 2: be back next week with the AFC South and the 813 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 2: NFC South. 814 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: I know you will miss me Until then. 815 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 4: Dj I leave us a rating in review. 816 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 2: Why not good job by DJ Leave us a rating, 817 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 2: leave us a review. Tell your friends we'll see you 818 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 2: next time.