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Speaker 1: Malik's Bookshelf WHOA Episode thirty four. I think you're gonna
Speaker 1: enjoy this episode because I interviewed a young lending name
Speaker 1: by the name of Kiara Amani. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: something about this young lady. She's special. This young lady
Speaker 1: is a graduate from Virginia University of Virginia and now
Speaker 1: she's an attorney. She also is an entrepreneur and has
Speaker 1: invented a card game called Like You that can be
Speaker 1: found in Target and Maliek's books. She also is a
Speaker 1: talk host on Donna, Mechi and Everyone on kb l
Speaker 1: L a talk radio. It's a black owned talk radio
Speaker 1: station owned by Tavis Smiley. So she's a talk host
Speaker 1: on the kb l A. And now she's an author
Speaker 1: and her book is called Therapy Isn't Just for White People.
Speaker 1: It's a memoir and it has her own personal experiences
Speaker 1: growing up and how she dealt with environmental racism, discrimination,
Speaker 1: and how she was able to steal overcome whatever it
Speaker 1: was thrown at her to become what and graduate an
Speaker 1: attorney a UH, an inventor of a card game a
Speaker 1: car I Like you, that's right, an entrepreneur, a talk
Speaker 1: radio host on k b l A, and now on
Speaker 1: an author. So we hosted her at Malik's Books on
Speaker 1: August at UH that's a that's a Saturday August Third
Speaker 1: Team at two o'clock. We're hosting her at Malik's Books.
Speaker 1: And we also have another talk radio host named dominqing
Speaker 1: the preimu, who's going to be the moderator, who's gonna
Speaker 1: be the our guest hosts who are going to interview
Speaker 1: her about her new book, Therapy Isn't Just For White People.
Speaker 1: So I had a chance to interview her about this
Speaker 1: timely book. This slated to be released on August nine,
Speaker 1: So sit back and enjoy Episode thirty four. Therapy Isn't
Speaker 1: Just for White People? Available when released at Malik Books
Speaker 1: on August nine, and in person interview taking place at
Speaker 1: Malik Books August thirteen at two o'clock. So enjoy the episode.
Speaker 1: My guest today is Kiary Money and she has a
Speaker 1: new book out called Therapy Isn't Just for White People?
Speaker 1: And that brings me to my first question. Why did
Speaker 1: you say therapy isn't just for white people? Is because
Speaker 1: Black people don't get therapy. And I think in the
Speaker 1: Black community, up until very recently, we weren't really talking
Speaker 1: about mental health. We talked a lot about prayer and
Speaker 1: being too blessed to be stressed and sucking up your
Speaker 1: problems and being a strong man or hashtag black girl magic,
Speaker 1: but we weren't talking about what happens when you bury
Speaker 1: your emotions? Where do they go? Because they don't just disappear.
Speaker 1: And I noticed, just in my community, but just with
Speaker 1: a lot of my friends too, that there was a
Speaker 1: lot of trauma. I defined trauma like Dr Anita Phillips,
Speaker 1: who is an amazing minister and therapist, and she says,
Speaker 1: trauma is anything that negatively affects the way you see yourself, God,
Speaker 1: or the world around you. And when you think about
Speaker 1: trauma that way, we've all experienced a lot of trauma,
Speaker 1: especially being black in America. And what happens when you
Speaker 1: experience what I would say are micro trauma is not
Speaker 1: like the big traumas that we generally think about. When
Speaker 1: we think about trauma, we think about death or the KKK,
Speaker 1: or slavery or some of the terrible things happening in
Speaker 1: the country. But we also suffer from these micro traumas.
Speaker 1: Someone telling you you're very articulate for a black person,
Speaker 1: or you're beautiful for a black girl. What messages is
Speaker 1: that sending you? Is it telling you that black people
Speaker 1: are not supposed to be articulate, that black is not beautiful?
Speaker 1: And so it's really just recognizing that these micro traumas
Speaker 1: I add up over time, they can really start to
Speaker 1: affect us. And for me, I had a lot of
Speaker 1: anxiety and it wasn't until I went to therapy when
Speaker 1: I started deconstructing some of these experiences, figuring out, Oh,
Speaker 1: this didn't come from nowhere, No it didn't. Everything has
Speaker 1: a pass, it's calls and effect. And you mentioned, um,
Speaker 1: I the way you talk. Have you heard this experience
Speaker 1: um with someone said you're different? Oh? Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: a whole chapter in the book called you talk like
Speaker 1: a White girl. And I had to really think critically
Speaker 1: and break down what that means. What is white sounds like?
Speaker 1: Is it because the subjects and verbs agree, Is it
Speaker 1: because of the intonation? Is it because you have an
Speaker 1: extensive vocabulary? And why would we associate that with the color?
Speaker 1: White people do not own language? Now, I'll be honest, now, Uh, typically,
Speaker 1: if I'm on the phone talking with somebody that said, oh,
Speaker 1: I think that persons, well, I think that person is black.
Speaker 1: I think I do it too. I do it too.
Speaker 1: I think it can actually be very useful to have
Speaker 1: stereotypes because they're those categorize in our heads as we're
Speaker 1: moving quickly throughout the world. But when they're rooted in racism,
Speaker 1: something like you talk like a white girl, you start
Speaker 1: to think through just the complexities of what is associated
Speaker 1: with white? Is why is intellect associated with white? And
Speaker 1: then we wonder why when we go to job interviews
Speaker 1: and people are surprised to see you in your black
Speaker 1: or they're hiring more white people and they see the
Speaker 1: black candidate and think they're not as capable. It's because
Speaker 1: we've been sitting in this narrative that says white is
Speaker 1: more intellectual, white is more capable, White knows how to
Speaker 1: handle customers. Black people not believe those deep rooted seeds
Speaker 1: that we all have have to deal with them ingrams
Speaker 1: there like that. Um, we second guess ourselves and we
Speaker 1: doubt ourselves, and it's because of things that we've been
Speaker 1: taught to make us feel inferior and less. Then. You know,
Speaker 1: I was told that if you put five thousand dollars
Speaker 1: on the table and you put five million on the table,
Speaker 1: a lot of black people do take the five thousand
Speaker 1: because they're afraid to take the five million. And that's
Speaker 1: what what I mean by that is that is that
Speaker 1: opportunities exist, and oftentimes we don't take the big opportunity.
Speaker 1: We take the little opportunity, and so therefore we don't
Speaker 1: reap the bigger big bang for our money, our education,
Speaker 1: and so forth, we stay out. A little fish thank
Speaker 1: you know, you have a fishing its if you put
Speaker 1: it in the fish tank and it would just swim
Speaker 1: around that side, you put that same fish tank in
Speaker 1: a big fish thing, they say the fish still only
Speaker 1: stage in that same circle. When we have to come
Speaker 1: out of those boxes and think outside of the box.
Speaker 1: And I think trauma has a lot to do with it.
Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to introduce you, and I
Speaker 1: want people to know something about you and care the
Speaker 1: money is an attorney. See, they need to know that
Speaker 1: you're a writer and and you host on on the
Speaker 1: Donnamchi Versus Everybody, which is on kb L, a t radio,
Speaker 1: And you also are co founder of a game card
Speaker 1: called Like You. And so I'm sitting by a black
Speaker 1: woman's Black Girl mannic here. You got your feet in
Speaker 1: a lock. Now you after Now you just wrote a
Speaker 1: book on thereby isn't just for white people a menoir,
Speaker 1: but yourself to a journey of understanding heally, empathy and
Speaker 1: self love. So you multitalented, multitasking, and I may I
Speaker 1: had to make sure I mentioned you know your background
Speaker 1: because that's very important. I'm just not sitting here talking
Speaker 1: with someone that ain't don't have married. You got married.
Speaker 1: And it's so funny I hear people say all the time,
Speaker 1: like you've accomplished all of these things. So number one,
Speaker 1: what do you have to complain about? And number two,
Speaker 1: you can't possibly struggle with anxiety or any mental health issues.
Speaker 1: You're highly functioning. And I explained a lot of people
Speaker 1: who struggle with mental health issues are highly functioning, and
Speaker 1: sometimes it's a coping mechanism instead of dealing with what's
Speaker 1: going on inside. You just achieve, achieve, achieve, achieved, because
Speaker 1: there's this level of excitement that's released every time you
Speaker 1: achieve a new thing that could get you through the day,
Speaker 1: as opposed to sitting and dealing with the emotions that
Speaker 1: you're struggling with. And there was a young woman, a
Speaker 1: chesty Chris, who was also an attorney, was also a
Speaker 1: media personality and also competed in pageants. I used to
Speaker 1: compete in pageants who just died by suicide recently. She
Speaker 1: don't from a building, And so many of the articles
Speaker 1: I read, we're like, why would she do that to herself?
Speaker 1: Somebody's like, who was accomplished so much? And I think
Speaker 1: there's this idea that because you're high achieving or you're
Speaker 1: able to be high functioning, that you're not dealing with
Speaker 1: anxiety or you don't have trauma. You just never know
Speaker 1: what people dealing with. I mean, we just don't think
Speaker 1: about those things. And you know, you've achieved the normal
Speaker 1: sail you graduate from with Virginia State VA University, we
Speaker 1: didn't university jail. Let's get it correct, which that's a
Speaker 1: whole other conversation. I have a chapter in my book too, about,
Speaker 1: you know, just going to a predominantly white school that
Speaker 1: was built by slaves and having to struggle with what
Speaker 1: does it mean to go to a school and have
Speaker 1: these accolades, but also you're still black. I talk about
Speaker 1: Martis Johnson, who was a student at the University of Virginia.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if any of you have seen the video,
Speaker 1: but some years ago there's a video of cops banging
Speaker 1: his head into a sidewalk after he was not admitted
Speaker 1: into one of the bars, and he's yelling as they're,
Speaker 1: you know, banging him into the pavement. I go to
Speaker 1: uv A as if having some level of achievement is
Speaker 1: supposed to protect you. But when people see you, they're
Speaker 1: not going to stop and ask you, what's your resume,
Speaker 1: what's your background? How qualified are you? All they see
Speaker 1: is the color of your skin. So a lot of
Speaker 1: times there's like a false protection we have thinking because
Speaker 1: we're high achieving that we're different. No, you're not in society.
Speaker 1: Quickly remind you that you're black, and we can't kept escape.
Speaker 1: You know who we are. We are who we are,
Speaker 1: and we have to learn to love who we are
Speaker 1: and deal with the issues that we have to deal with.
Speaker 1: And I think your book is an attempt to address,
Speaker 1: you know, the fact that we have a lot of
Speaker 1: trauma and we should talk about some of the things
Speaker 1: that we can have to you know, overcome it. And
Speaker 1: I mean, what was your motivation for writing you know,
Speaker 1: this type of material. So I always knew that I
Speaker 1: would be a writer. I love writing, It's my first love,
Speaker 1: I say, but I couldn't see myself telling other people's
Speaker 1: stories before I told my own. And in the black
Speaker 1: community specifically, I don't feel like there are voices out
Speaker 1: there that are telling people, hey, look at me, I'm
Speaker 1: high achieving and I'm struggling to So much of what
Speaker 1: we see is either black people in chains on their
Speaker 1: way to is in selling drugs, or we see the
Speaker 1: black girl magic side of it, right, we see the
Speaker 1: causbies where everything is perfect looking and the family is
Speaker 1: perfect looking. What we don't see is a real picture
Speaker 1: of a real black person moving through the world who
Speaker 1: may be high functioning but also is dealing with how
Speaker 1: hard it is to be black in America. And we've
Speaker 1: been black our whole life. So I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: we can compare stories, um, because you know, and I
Speaker 1: don't think you know one thing about men. We don't
Speaker 1: really embrace, you know, going to the doctor, let alone
Speaker 1: going to a therapist. I think there's this idea too,
Speaker 1: because I know several black men in my life who
Speaker 1: refused to go to therapy. But there's something to be
Speaker 1: said about are you saying I should go because you
Speaker 1: think I'm not good enough or un inept I haven't
Speaker 1: shown up in the world as the father husband that
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to. It's almost seen as like a like
Speaker 1: a dig, Oh you need to go to therapy when
Speaker 1: it's not a dig. I actually think encouraging someone to
Speaker 1: break down stereotypes and trauma in their own life is
Speaker 1: a high form of love because what you're saying is
Speaker 1: I want to see you as the best version of yourself.
Speaker 1: But if you are let's say, for example, a father
Speaker 1: and a husband and your wife says we should go
Speaker 1: to therapy, I can imagine how a black man might feel.
Speaker 1: So I'm showing up every day for this family. I'm
Speaker 1: doing what needs to be done, and you're telling me
Speaker 1: I'm not doing a good enough job. Something's wrong, so
Speaker 1: I need to go fix it when it's not that well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing, um um. You know, you talk about
Speaker 1: a lot of different, you know, chapters in your book,
Speaker 1: and you know, I want to know what is your
Speaker 1: favorite chapter in your book and why. I have some
Speaker 1: chapters where I write about my grandma Connie, who passed
Speaker 1: away from COVID last year, and I think those are
Speaker 1: really special, just about her going through the world as
Speaker 1: a black woman, not having the same access that I
Speaker 1: had to so many things, and people telling her that
Speaker 1: she used to talk like a white woman. And I
Speaker 1: have a story where I talked about how she was
Speaker 1: looking for a house for her family, for my dad
Speaker 1: and his siblings and her husband. And you know, back
Speaker 1: in the day, you just pick up the phone book,
Speaker 1: you make a call. The realtor did not know that
Speaker 1: she was a black woman because it was a phone conversation,
Speaker 1: so he starts finding houses for her in all white neighborhoods.
Speaker 1: They ended up being able to rent a beautiful house
Speaker 1: in an all white neighborhood because he thought she was white.
Speaker 1: Every time he talked to her, he'd say, Connie, you know,
Speaker 1: whenever I hear you, all I can think of is
Speaker 1: five two eyes of blue. Because she was a short woman,
Speaker 1: he assumed she was a white woman with blue if
Speaker 1: and when he finally met her, it was too late.
Speaker 1: It was too late. And I don't know that he
Speaker 1: wouldn't have pushed the deal through if he knew that
Speaker 1: she was black. But it was an all white neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Because he thought she was white, he was willing to
Speaker 1: look in spaces where he probably would not have looked
Speaker 1: at him. And so just the complexities and being able
Speaker 1: to talk to my grandparents and especially my grandma because
Speaker 1: I got so many stories from her right before she passed,
Speaker 1: a lot of wisdom and elderly. Yeah, yeah, we learned
Speaker 1: a lot. I know, I learned a lot from my personally,
Speaker 1: my grandmother Maleague books. Is this because my grandmother was
Speaker 1: an entrepreneurs She supported me through selling pies on the
Speaker 1: street and clandy on the street and sent me money
Speaker 1: every month so that I can have spending money when
Speaker 1: I went to USC And so just seeing that for
Speaker 1: the two and that commitment to for five years because
Speaker 1: I took me five years a graduate and she, you know,
Speaker 1: was was so spiritual and so giving. So you know,
Speaker 1: they called the crew say to praise Scott. So I
Speaker 1: learned a lot from you know, my grandmother. Um, but
Speaker 1: is I think that, you know, women in general have
Speaker 1: been the backbone of a lot of changes that have
Speaker 1: come about in these last fifty sixty seventy years. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: And I learned to you about my great grandma Lizzie,
Speaker 1: who was a janitor, but she called herself a maid
Speaker 1: of honor. She was proud to be a janitor because
Speaker 1: she was able to support her family. But she went
Speaker 1: back to college in her late sixties. And just learning
Speaker 1: stuff like that too, Like, wow, education runs deep in
Speaker 1: my family, you know. Just knowing that there were people
Speaker 1: who came before you and you carry their d n
Speaker 1: A I think can be really powerful, really powerful. And um,
Speaker 1: I know that one of the chapters that stood out, UM,
Speaker 1: in your bulk, it's called no You're worth Yes. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh. I could go on and on about that
Speaker 1: for for a long time. But I've been in so
Speaker 1: many situations where as a black woman, I found out
Speaker 1: that I was making less money than a lot of
Speaker 1: my white counterparts. And at the time, it was infuriating
Speaker 1: when you learn you're doing the same job as somebody else,
Speaker 1: showing up handling the same meetings, you have the same
Speaker 1: crazy boss and they're making a substantial amount more than you.
Speaker 1: It's hard to deal with that. And at this stage
Speaker 1: in my life I realized I had to believe that
Speaker 1: I was worth asking for the same thing that these
Speaker 1: white people were asking for, because earlier in my career,
Speaker 1: i'd say to myself, well, my next job, I'll make
Speaker 1: sure I negotiate for more. At this point, if I
Speaker 1: find out that someone who looks different than me is
Speaker 1: making a lot more, I'm going to bring it up absolutely.
Speaker 1: And so did you have anxiety as you thought about
Speaker 1: approaching uh HR or the boss regarding you doing the
Speaker 1: same work showing up at the same time getting less paid,
Speaker 1: because you know, a black woman is a double negative,
Speaker 1: and it's easier as you get older, I think to
Speaker 1: be more confident in showing up for yourself. And my
Speaker 1: mid twenties I was, you know, being told you're just
Speaker 1: lucky to be here. So there's that not wanting to
Speaker 1: mess anything up for people that work in corporate America,
Speaker 1: I strongly believe a lot of times with white people specifically,
Speaker 1: the squeaky wheel gets oiled, but with black people, the
Speaker 1: squeaky wheel gets tossed out. They're like, oh, she's making
Speaker 1: too much and always replace her, whereas you have a
Speaker 1: white woman crying in the workplace and she gets whatever
Speaker 1: she would. Yeah, So trying to navigate the complexities of
Speaker 1: that and imagine for I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: have probably experienced us trying to show up at work
Speaker 1: every day as the best version of yourself, knowing that
Speaker 1: the company thinks that you're worth less than the person
Speaker 1: next to you. It adds up over time, it doesn't
Speaker 1: and and you know, you can second guess yourself, and
Speaker 1: you can see yourself as less value. And you know
Speaker 1: this all over this country. These are issues that people
Speaker 1: facing right now that they're getting paid less for the
Speaker 1: amount of work that they do, and they're showing up
Speaker 1: every day and working hard already working deality. We helped
Speaker 1: build a lot of these companies, in these corporations, our
Speaker 1: talent has been what has is a major part of
Speaker 1: the achievements of what makes America great is the fact
Speaker 1: that we have devoted our blood and sweat and helped
Speaker 1: make this country great. But the question is have we
Speaker 1: did We have recent because we got some being there's
Speaker 1: and we got some millionaires, and some people look at
Speaker 1: that as a reason to say, oh, you've gotten your
Speaker 1: do Hey, we're giving you free education. Hey, why are
Speaker 1: you still complaining that? You know, because we have never
Speaker 1: been compensated for our true value. And still to this day,
Speaker 1: there's people who are getting paid far less for doing
Speaker 1: the same job only because of the color of the skin. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: this is our country. We built this country, So take
Speaker 1: a few crumbs and be happy. Doesn't work, doesn't work.
Speaker 1: They're just as entitled to every opportunity, every resource, every
Speaker 1: dollar bill is anybody else in this country. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I concur with that. I believe that, you know,
Speaker 1: America is great because of a multitude and and all
Speaker 1: the people who've lived here. You know, we've come along wait,
Speaker 1: you know, from shackles, and we got to celebrate, you know,
Speaker 1: our achievements. You know, I did my last podcast last
Speaker 1: week and it was called Wake the f Up and
Speaker 1: Unite because I feel like unity it's more powerful than
Speaker 1: atomic bomb. And I feel like, you know, that's the
Speaker 1: missing link, you know, because we can have great achievements individually,
Speaker 1: but collectively, we have to find a way to come
Speaker 1: together and pull the money poor, the resupported intellect and
Speaker 1: make it a lot easier if he you know, it's
Speaker 1: like each one teach one and so these are the
Speaker 1: things that I think. I think that the two areas
Speaker 1: that we have to really focus on for real change.
Speaker 1: And I do believe trauma is a major part because
Speaker 1: this is why we're not doing those things. I don't believe.
Speaker 1: I believe because of our trauma ties, because of a
Speaker 1: lot of different things and a lot of different reasons,
Speaker 1: we don't work together and unite as we should. Some
Speaker 1: of us do, but we have to do it on
Speaker 1: a bigger granted s. And that goes back to that
Speaker 1: point too. You know, how can you love your neighbor
Speaker 1: if you don't love yourself. A lot of people will
Speaker 1: say the Bible says love your neighbor as yourself, but
Speaker 1: it means that you have to have self love there first.
Speaker 1: Why would you think another black person is capable if
Speaker 1: you internally believe black people aren't as capable. Why would
Speaker 1: you believe another black person can handle your taxes or
Speaker 1: run a bookshop? If you don't believe black people can
Speaker 1: do tax as well, are bad at math, can't do business.
Speaker 1: So I think we have to really investigate a lot
Speaker 1: of the beliefs that we apply to ourselves. If you
Speaker 1: look in the mirror and you think to yourself, I
Speaker 1: will never be as good because I'm black. I'm not
Speaker 1: as smart because I'm black. I'm not as pretty because
Speaker 1: I'm black. You're then going to project that onto other people.
Speaker 1: So when you see me, you see me as less smart,
Speaker 1: you see me as less capable, you see me as
Speaker 1: less intellectual, not because I am, because that's what you've
Speaker 1: been ingrained in your head for so long. Absolutely, and
Speaker 1: my question did who do you think is responsible to
Speaker 1: change that view that image? All of us? It's it's
Speaker 1: a collective. I think we really have to focus on
Speaker 1: becoming the best versions of ourselves, Believing that we are worthy,
Speaker 1: believing that we are capable, believing that we can do
Speaker 1: anything we put our minds too. Because if we start
Speaker 1: to believe it about ourselves, then we'll start to believe
Speaker 1: it about our brothers and sisters. And the people I
Speaker 1: know that have started going to therapy, as they have
Speaker 1: started to love themselves more, it's been so much easier
Speaker 1: for them to love others if they as they've started
Speaker 1: to judge themselves less, it's been easier for them to
Speaker 1: judge others less. Real talk, Man, you didn't drop some
Speaker 1: bombs during this interview. Man, you know you didn't feel
Speaker 1: my head. I mean you, it's the reason why you
Speaker 1: don't talk radio. It's a reason why you know, success
Speaker 1: is always around the corner for you. You know, you're
Speaker 1: using all of your skills and tools, and success is
Speaker 1: not accidents because of hard work, devotion, dedication, belief and
Speaker 1: you know, forging yourself through whatever the option goes in
Speaker 1: front of you. And I see why you don't talk
Speaker 1: radio because you'll draw some jews. I mean, you said
Speaker 1: a mouthful. You describe your book just so wonderfully, and
Speaker 1: I know that people want would want to pick it
Speaker 1: up the minute you described and talked about it. Your
Speaker 1: life is filled with a lot of rich stories that
Speaker 1: can help overcome other and help other people. You know,
Speaker 1: so I definitely want to appreciate, just tell your appreciate
Speaker 1: you taking invitation to come on release bookshelf and talking
Speaker 1: to us about your wonderful book. Therapy isn't just for
Speaker 1: white people. I want you to tell the audience, you know,
Speaker 1: before we close, any additional information um how they can
Speaker 1: follow up with you and the things that you're doing
Speaker 1: in order to you know, bring this book and doing
Speaker 1: all and you know, I like you cards and all
Speaker 1: the other stuff that you involved in. Thank you. So
Speaker 1: I will close with my favorite quote. I think it's
Speaker 1: a quote that has really shaped a lot of the
Speaker 1: work that I'm doing, and that quote is the most
Speaker 1: powerful words in the world besides I Love you or
Speaker 1: me too. Hearing that somebody else is going through what
Speaker 1: you've gone through, has experienced what you've experienced, makes you
Speaker 1: feel like you're not alone. And it's really really hard
Speaker 1: to be a great feeling alone. It's hard to do
Speaker 1: anything when you feel lonely, and so I really hope
Speaker 1: that people of color, specifically young people will pick up
Speaker 1: the book and see themselves in it and feel less
Speaker 1: alone their experiences and know that there is light on
Speaker 1: the other side of the tunnel. So that's it's really
Speaker 1: important to me that we continue to talk about our experiences.
Speaker 1: And you can follow me on Instagram at kr imani
Speaker 1: Will or go to kr Emani dot com. I'm super excited.
Speaker 1: I have an event coming up at your bookstore, Milik Books, Culver,
Speaker 1: City of August thirteen. Dominique Diprima from kbl A will
Speaker 1: be hosting and we'll be having a conversation about my
Speaker 1: upcoming book, so you can find information on the Malik
Speaker 1: Bookstore website or on my website or my Instagram page.
Speaker 1: Would love to see there, Would love to see you there.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thanks for listening to
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