WEBVTT - Eurovarmints 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.920 Welcome to Creature future production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:16.239 of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:20.840 and today on the show Eurovarmns, we're talking about animals 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:25.200 who belong on stage at Eurovision or not. I guess 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.760 I'm being told that that is against the rules. So 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:32.680 why are we talking about Eurovision. Well, for starters, as 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.559 an immigrant living in Europe, I have become a convert 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.519 to Eurovision. And secondly, I am very excited to be 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:43.600 joined by the hosts of Eurovangelists, a podcast all about 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:48.519 Eurovision and why Americans should maybe start caring. Welcome Jeremy 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.400 Bent and Dmitri Pompeii. 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:55.760 Hello, thank you so much. Honored to be here. Guys. 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.080 Your podcast really speaks to me because until I moved 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:02.200 to Europe, I was like barely cognizant of Eurovision, and 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:03.920 now I love it. I watch it every year. 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.760 It's a very common American condition to be completely unaware 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:11.759 of your vision but then immediately upon finding out about it, 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:13.080 falling deeply in love with it. 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.920 Yeah, America brain is like I need to get groceries 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:20.119 for five weeks every time I go and not knowing 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:21.840 about Eurovision, yep. 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:25.080 Yeah, and then European brain is, oh, I'll just go 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:27.800 to the grocery store every two days, and then also 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.320 I will watch an international song competition every single year. 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.520 That's that's exactly what life is like here. 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.119 Yep, I figured as much. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:37.280 So. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:39.560 I mean, first of all, I just want to tell 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.560 the listeners and i''ll post links to these in the 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.640 show notes because it's so wonderful you guys shared with 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:49.120 me an entire list of Eurovision songs that are like 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:54.360 and have animals in them, and they're incredible. I both 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.760 thank you and curse you for that, because that penguin 0:01:57.920 --> 0:01:59.480 song has been stuck in my head. 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:09.639 Oh boy, yeah, oh Bengal, it's it's yeah. I apologize 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.840 to your listeners because if they seek it out, it 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.600 is an earworm that never truly leaves you. 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.160 It's sort of like that arc thing in the Indiana 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.440 Jones series where you open it up and your space 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.400 melts off. But it's just like about a penguin. 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.200 And an old man in a penguin costume. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:30.920 Oh man, that guy really really like really oscar worthy 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:32.480 penguin performance there. 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.679 Commits to the bit is what I'll say. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.240 When was that, like, just give give me the rundown 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:39.760 on that. When when was that song? 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:40.679 Yeah? 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:45.160 That was nineteen that was nineteen eighty. That erovision nineteen eighty. 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.840 That was the entry from Luxembourg that year. Imagine, if 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.480 you will, dear listener, a pair of twins in space 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:57.040 age David Bowie esque could not be more sequence on 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:57.640 those suits. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:59.200 Yeah, when space could adds. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.360 They're singing a song about a penguin who wants to 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:07.680 travel the world and a very old man who I 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.120 believe wrote he can't. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.959 Be more than sixty years old. Come on to me. 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:14.320 That's fair, that's fair. 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.680 He comes out dressed as a penguin and acts the 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:21.560 acts out the sawe. He's searching for meaning. He's dancing 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.600 around the twins at one point give him a spanking. 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:25.320 They did, you know. 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.280 It's cool and fun, it's cool and normal, and ultimately 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.680 the penguin decides that home is where the heart is 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:32.720 and he decides to return to his ice flow. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.760 Well, also, there's like two hot lady penguins that are 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:37.640 backup seating. 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.040 Yeah, that's true. Dmitri, How did that do in nineteen 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:46.520 eighty That got ninth place? Wild. That's really good, pretty. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:50.000 Good, incredible Eurovision. Like I can definitely see the slow 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:54.320 ratcheting up of the wackiness of Eurovision, where it probably 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:56.720 started off being a little more tame, like it's just 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.000 two sort of lovely ladies singing into a microphone, maybe 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.880 be swaying gently. And now we have like rotating cubes 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:07.840 that people are jumping around and they look it looks 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.280 like a bunch of wrestlers in a bathroom and they're 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.280 all kissing each other and it's beautiful and perfect and 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:13.800 I love it. 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.960 If you think Katie is just, you know, saying random things, 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.360 she is not. She is referring to specific performances from 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:26.400 last year's Eurovision, but it's very true. I think something 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.440 people don't realize about Eurovision is that it's been going 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:33.880 since nineteen fifty six and like nineteen fifty six Eurovision 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:39.239 is very sedate, is quite quite low key, and twenty 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.000 twenty four Eurovision, you'll find has a different flavor. 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.839 Yeah, I just I am a very proud pop popping 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.159 ranchow because Jeremy on our show is in fact the 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:50.200 Eurovision Nube. 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.719 That's true. He comes to the show at the least 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:54.240 amount of Eurovision knowledge. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.839 Also, yeah, while on the other hand, I come in 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.680 with twenty years of your experiences. 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.040 Only through our show have I met people who know 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:06.640 more about Eurovision than Dmitri. And it's only a couple 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:07.160 of people. 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.839 And I am I am but a humble student. I 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.520 am not a pro. There are so many people out 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:14.640 there who know much. 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.240 More than I agree to disagree. 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:18.360 Are any of them Americans? 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:18.599 Though? 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.440 That's like no, I would argue not. 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:23.599 I would argue I can go toe to toe with 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:24.680 pretty much any America. 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.159 I would be impressed if I met someone from the 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.000 US who knew more about Eurovision than Dmitri, because we've 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.360 had a couple of guests, one from the UK, one 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:37.839 from Sweden who are extremely knowledgeable about Eurovision, but they're 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:39.080 sort of steeped in it, you know. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.880 Yeah, they're euros so they know they have the vision. 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:44.120 Yeah they have the vision. 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:48.720 Yeah. Well one more common about the penguin song, and then. 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.480 I'll forget no, no, it's hard to let go. 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:55.000 It is about a father penguin, like abandoning his family, 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.279 and I would just like to say that you know 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.000 a lot of penguin species, the father penguin is actually 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:02.840 quite an attentive. 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:04.200 They would never do that. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.040 Yeah, you will sit on the egg. The emperor penguins famously, 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.240 and in other penguin species as well, the male penguin 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:15.440 gingerly takes care of the egg as well as the 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:18.520 female penguin. But it is a joint venture there. But 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:23.280 speaking of birds, let's talk about our first. Let's call 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.919 them contestants. These are animals, folks, but they are on 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:31.040 It's not really contained to Europe, but it is. I 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.800 think they belong on the Eurovision stage just because of 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.280 the flamboyants, because if you have if you can know, 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:41.880 like just one thing about Eurovision is it's not necessarily 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.880 about the best music in the world. It's about the 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:49.599 most outrageous spectacle that can be put on a physical 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:54.760 stage for you. Have you guys heard of frigate birds? 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:59.680 Frigate never like the ship a frigate Yes, like the 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:07.880 ship Okay, they know they know if it was something else, absolutely. 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.240 No, yeah, yeah, forget. 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.840 Bird oh yeah yeah, frigate birds birds you know, like 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:15.840 when a bird takes a dump on you to go 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:17.640 frigate bird bird. 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:23.080 Yes. So they are found in Barbuda, an island in 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:31.320 the Caribbean, so they are. They participate from August to October, 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.880 so by the time you're listening to this, they probably 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:37.360 are still going uh there is an important song and 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:38.640 dance competition. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.160 Oh okay, now we're so. 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:48.520 They put on this incredible show during this mating season, 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:53.880 this magnificent frigate bird mating LC. I'm not hyping them up. 0:07:54.200 --> 0:08:01.120 That species is actually called magnificent frigatebirds and they do indeed, Wow, 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.440 how are you Their performances in something called a lek, 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:08.240 which is a large stage in which groups of males 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.840 show off their talents competing with each other. 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:13.920 This is fantastic, amazing, you know. 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:18.040 If I may make an early Eurovision connection to these birds. 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.880 One of the greatest Eurovision songs of all time is 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.440 the two thousand and nine winning song fairy Tale by 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:27.040 Alexander Reebuk. It is a Norwegian song and the stage 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.760 performance of the song is literally what you describe. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:30.560 That is true. 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.760 Actually it is the It is the port performance of 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.000 what is called the hauling, a tradition in the Nordic 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:40.920 countries in which men do all sorts of ridiculous physical 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:44.320 feats to impress women so they'll marry them. 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:48.400 I didn't realize that Norwegians had lex That's fascinating. 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.960 They like the act that they specifically are performing in 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:57.800 Alexander Reriebuks reforming is kicking hats off a broom, right well, yeah, 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.680 and that's a thing, that's the real thing that Yeah. 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.720 Maybe that's measuring their physical fitness and ability to sire 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:05.720 strong children. 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:08.640 I mean, I will say the guys doing it on 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.480 stage are fit. They are in great shape. I don't 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.559 think I could do what they are doing kick a hat. 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:15.439 I'm not with that negative attitude. You can. 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:17.600 I don't know. I kind of feel like I could 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.880 kick a hat off a broom, don't you think? 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:21.440 But there you got to watch these guys. 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.400 Do it all right, well special, It's just. 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.959 Nice to know that the Animal Kingdom, you know, perhaps 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.920 inspired Norwegian men like, look, those birds have a whole 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.280 stage performance and look at all the chicks they're getting. 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:36.959 We should do that. I will also say. I will 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.160 also say I have looked up the Magnificent frigate Bird 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:43.400 and they got a look that would play on a 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:44.960 Eurovision stage, is what I will say. 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:49.920 It's angular. They kind of look like a brutalist architecture. 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:55.840 So Yeah, excellent, strong color story they're telling here. Oh wow, right, 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.080 just looked it up too. Wow. Okay, due's plant for 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.160 the frigate. A lot of drama in that look, is 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:02.800 what I'll say. 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:07.720 It's high fashion culture, so I will paint you a 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:12.120 verbal picture with my word mouth. The largest of their genus, 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:17.040 the magnificent frigatebird, are sea birds with shiny black feathers, 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:21.880 a long, hooked beak, and forked tails similar to a swallow. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.320 They have a wingspan of up to eight feet long, 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:29.440 which is two point four meters for my European friends, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.280 and weighs around three pounds, which is over one and 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:38.400 a half kilograms, so not too heavy but very large, 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.800 perfect for flying about. They have these elegant angles and 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:46.720 curves like some kind of weird, chunky European race car, 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:51.160 which allows them to fly up to ninety five miles 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:54.640 per hour, which is about one hundred and fifty three 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.720 kilometers per hour. Now that speed is probably going to 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:04.200 be achieved while they are diving, and they are. They're 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.520 very elegant, but they're also menacing. They look a bit 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:11.120 like pterodactyls, and indeed they terrorize fish and other birds 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:15.640 that they steal their catches from so they are both 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:20.880 pirates and hunters until the males decide they want to 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:25.120 get down with the females. Then they turn into red balloons. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:32.679 The pirrating apparently not attractive to the females, but I 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:35.520 will say I was like, you can tell that this 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:40.760 is some sort of like sexual attraction characteristic for the frigatebird. 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.360 The male frigatebirds seem to have this like giant red 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.160 balloon under their neck. This is wild. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.160 This is an inflatable goal or pouch. Now I'm going 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.800 to touch back on the piracy issue here. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:53.720 With females later. 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.600 You don't get away with anything on this show. This 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:57.920 show is about facts. 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.120 Nice try bird. 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:05.959 Your feelings about birds. So, yeah, the males have something 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.480 called a gol or pouch, and that's this beautiful red sack. 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:14.400 They inflate it and it's this bright clown nose red 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.960 and they pump it full of air. It forms this 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.400 big red balloon, big and flashy, catches the attention of 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:25.160 females that are flying overhead, and they do this incredible 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:30.079 performance with their wings outstretched and then they make this 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:34.720 sound that is like, well, I'm just gonna let you listen. 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.000 Okay, I'm curious. Yeah, here we go. 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.559 So this is from the Cornell Lab of Ornithology. 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.760 One of our best ornithology labs, one. 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:49.120 Of our best. And this is was recorded by Martha Fisher. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:55.560 So here we go the magnificent frigatebird, who sounds very 0:12:55.840 --> 0:13:14.080 amazing and good. Are you feeling sexually attracted to these birds? 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:15.120 You know? 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.600 I'm just gonna throw it out here. That is the 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:19.240 bubble wrap of sounds like. 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:19.960 I like it. 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:20.560 It's nice. 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.920 I listen to that for a while. I actually do 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.960 like that sound. I will say, based on the ballooning, 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:32.040 I expected a very different sound sound. I was expecting 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.280 more of a honk or or a sort of like 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.560 you know when you blow up a balloon and you 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.800 just let it go around a room. Yeah, like like 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.360 kind of an that sound. Because you think this is 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.920 a Looney Tunes character, I mean, I mean you got it. 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.000 In some ways. It is a Loony Tunes It is 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:49.880 take a. 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.040 Pen in one of these guys and see what happens. 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.000 Oh, don't do that. They're not going to enjoy that. 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.439 No animal's cruelty is highly discouraged on this show. 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:00.000 But I am curious. 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:04.679 So they will, so it is incredible to see. I 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.800 do all include a link to it in the show notes. 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:10.720 But they have this wonderful display. Their wings are outstretched, 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.520 they cut this striking figure, big red balloon, and they're 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.800 making this like sort of weird like bubble wrap sound 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.400 like you said. I love that description of it. And 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:23.080 they are not only trying to attract females based on 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:27.040 their performance, their song and this kind of like you know, 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.200 swishing around kind of dance thing that they're doing, they 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:35.480 have also competed to secure the best spots in the 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:39.360 mangrove trees on which they are doing their performance. So 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.920 it's this big group and these mangrove trees are so 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.920 close together that it forms it almost looks like just 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.480 this giant group of like hedgy bushes. And then in 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.120 like sort of situated in them are so many of 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:56.160 these males, like hundreds of them all together, and they 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:00.000 are buying for a really nice position on these mangrove trees, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:04.280 trees where they will build their nests. And the females 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:08.480 all are the judges, just like in real life, and 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:13.960 they circle above like these vultures looking for love, and 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.560 they browse for their preferred males, and they select them 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:21.760 for them based on the call that they make, how beautiful, 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:26.240 bright and bouncy that weird pouches, and also how good 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:30.520 their spot is where they are roosting on these mangrove trees. 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:37.320 Yeah, okay, let me get this straight beautiful plumage song 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.160 that could that sounds like nothing you've ever heard in 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:45.200 the world. Competing for a higher rank or location or placement, 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:46.400 this is this. 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:50.320 Is trying to curry favor with the judges. It's right, 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:54.520 it's this is your v And I'll also say I 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.840 also looked up mangrove tree because I was like, what 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.480 does a mangrove tree look like? It looks like a 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:05.560 set of Eurovision song very visually distinctive. I'm like, okay, 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:06.760 this is all coming together. 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.040 Yes, it is that they have such really they are 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:16.600 semi aquatic trees actually, yeah, brackish water their roots. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.680 Which most trees can't stand at all. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.400 Yeah, that their roots will actually dip into the water. 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:25.840 One of the most incredible experiences I've ever had was 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:30.200 this was a long time ago. This This was in 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:35.160 like twenty I'm gonna say twenty two thousand and nine 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.480 or twenty ten and I was in Puerto Rico and 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:43.600 there was a kayak tour of this mangrove forest and 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:47.760 it was during a season where there were these bioluminescent 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:54.560 diatoms dinoflagellis sorry, and they were like every time you 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.560 would paddle the kayak, you'd see this blue flash in 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.000 the water. They are all these mangrove trees where they're 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.920 roots were dipped into the water. I felt like I 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.199 was about to have like an almost kiss with a 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.960 prince and an evil octopus. I don't know, it felt magical. 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:14.760 Sure you'd trade your voice for that kind of scenario. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.080 There we go. I want a man who doesn't care 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:18.240 what I say or think. 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.760 So, yeah, it would be best if she couldn't speak. 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.800 At all, right, body language, you know, if she just 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.359 knew ASL, then all things would. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.200 Have been or just write in any language. 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:37.400 Right yeah? Or gestures you know, like you know octopus, 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:41.000 wiggle your arms kind of big, giant, bad, evil octopus. 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.600 I feel like I could, you know, everyone, I. 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.080 Would be curious to see the ASL for a witch 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.600 stole my voice. 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:55.080 Divine stole my voice. Yeah, So I did want to 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:59.479 touch on an earlier thing you said, Jeremy, I'm going 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:00.200 to grill you. 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.600 Get ready, okay, Grilly. You said that the. 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.600 Females aren't attracted to piracy, and that may or may 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.360 not be true. But the females are actually the bigger 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:12.200 pirates than the males. They are literally bigger, and they're 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.639 better pirates. So they are larger than the males in 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:19.000 part because they do the majority of raising the chicks, 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.560 and they must be tough enough to be able to 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.679 murder a bunch of fish or steal enough fish to 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.959 feed themselves and the chicks. Before you get mad at 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.560 the fathers, they aren't actually the worst fathers. They will 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:33.960 build the nests. So they help build the nests, okay, 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.440 gather all the time. That's they also help incubate the eggs. 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.600 It's just once the eggs hatch, they're like, all right, 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.359 I'm out of here, Like that's that. Part of my 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:44.040 life is over. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.800 I gotta be working on my performance for next year. 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.920 Yeah exactly. I mean to be fair to them, Yes, 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.600 they work very hard on their performances, very hard on 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:56.400 constructing the nests. But yeah, you see, Actually it's very interesting. 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.200 With a lot of bird species, you have different types 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.879 of relationship where some are monogamous for their whole lives, 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.840 some are monogamous over a breeding season, some are just 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:11.160 no rules, only what feels good. And sometimes you have 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.440 parental care that's shared by the birds. And often sea 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:18.640 birds can be quite similar. This kind of sexual dimorphism, 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:19.600 where one. 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:21.120 Is one of my favorite phrases. 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.480 Oh yeah, sexual dimorphism. 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.000 What a great sound. 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.800 Yes, it just means that the two sexes look different 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.440 and so like for a lot of aquatic birds. A 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.400 lot of sea birds, especially like the males and females 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:37.879 are fairly similar, and a lot of that has to 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:41.399 do with the fact that they both take care of 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.720 the offspring. And you really only see this kind of 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:49.399 sexual dimorphism when you have one member who is really 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.320 investing a lot more into the care of the offspring, 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.840 because then the other sex, right, the males in that case, 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:58.880 have to really prove their worth to these females otherwise 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.639 the females are going to be left with this offspring. 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:06.000 Whereas in other species of birds like albatrosses are very similar. 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.800 There are a lot of seabirds that actually both try 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.680 to impress each other, like puffins, and in these cases 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.080 it's because they both will raise and take care of 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.600 the egg, and both the male and the female are 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.080 trying to assess each other for whether they're going to 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.840 be good parents, rather than just the female trying to 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.440 assess whether the male is really physically fit and is 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.040 gonna stick around long enough to build that nest and 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:33.600 incubate the egg and then pass on really good genes. 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:36.320 So it's all that, you know, it's there's so many 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.320 different dynamics in these birds. And I love this example 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.960 of these frigatebirds. I'm sorry, magnificent frigatebirds. 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:48.080 There's these respect to the frigatebird. Please, I will, yeah, 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:52.199 Because it's like like even among primates, like gorillas have 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:55.040 like a really strong sexual dimorsism where it's like male 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:58.160 gorillas are sort of huge, but then like bonobos, which 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.760 are sort of closer to humans, are like pretty like 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:03.679 the males are a little bit bigger, but it's the 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:08.400 difference is quite small. But because they're a very social primate, 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.680 where like kind of both male and female are doing 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.919 all of the you know, all of the humping they do. 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:18.680 Like I said, they're a very social animal. 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.880 I think the main takeaway here, especially for you notorious 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:24.000 woman hater Jeremy. 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:25.399 Then, is that. 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:30.280 Is that you know, piracy is not limited by your 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:35.080 gender in Jeremy, Yeah, women can do anything. 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:39.119 Jeremy. I said that women weren't attracted to the piracy, 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.520 and that's born out because it turns out that women 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:48.040 are doing the piracy. But that is an excellent point. Uh, 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:56.400 They're like, there's a really good Uh, Katie, I'm sure 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.480 you are familiar with the anthropologist David Graber. 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:01.080 Just tell just tell me. 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:06.760 Well, he he talked about like, uh, Dawn of Everything 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:10.520 is like his is this massive, massive book that is 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:14.919 basically all about how like the Enlightenment in Europe was 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.199 basically like, oh, they went to America and saw how 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:19.720 Native Americans lived and then brought back all these new 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:24.480 ideas that like really smart Europeans came up with. And 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:25.160 then it turned out. 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:28.840 It's just like let's not burn down everything, yeah, restoring 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:30.720 the environment. Yeah, And it turns out like, hey, if 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:33.239 you like teach everyone how to do everything and like 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:36.200 live collectively, it's very it's much easier and people are 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:41.560 happier and so like. But one of the examples is 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:47.040